One thing I notice is the target is directly inline with the lane of the front foot. I think the target should be a foot or two more to the left, as your disc essentially inhabits a different lane than your feet. This prevents you from releasing the disc late in order to hit the target. Though towards the end of the video, sometimes the disc is to the left and low of the target. I like the idea of presetting the throwing arm, and I'll play with that in the future. Like you I don't really have an interest in pre-coiling, though I like the idea of presetting other things. 🙂
In general I aim by bracing perpendicular to my initial aim point because a 10-11 o clock release actually flies towards 12. If I was releasing at 12 I’d be hitting the right side of the net imo. I could run up more diagonal and still brace in the same spot though.
@@disc-golf-neil yeah I think you're largely releasing at the right time, it just looks like a late release when it hits the target. I noticed it more during the earlier part of the video. Towards the end I saw the disc hit pretty reliably to the left of the target. Not a big deal. It's just something I've focused on a lot in the last year in my attempt to hit gaps better. Still a work in progress. 😁
@@NickCarroll i might also be too close to the net. But it also makes no sound if I don’t hit the target and most of those if I remember correctly, we’re making a sound but might’ve hit the side of target a bit too.
@@disc-golf-neil Thanks for the reply. I have a similar 10x7 net, but thought maybe you picked up the target separately. Love your videos by the way, keep up the good work!
Man, I don't know if I should laugh or cry right now. The 1st 4 minutes of this video, like EVERYTHING you said IS my pre-shot routine. Or as I have come to think of it - my pre-shot psycho-obsessive ritual prayer for mediocre results. Literally, ALL of your "pre-sets" and swing thoughts you outline as parts of your "Frankenstein" is what I go through (silently in my head) like a fuk'n crazy person on every tee pad. I am so beyond sick and tired of being bad at this game and having no clue what to do or what I'm doing wrong because I have tried and done it all. Seriously, there's not a disc golf "how to" that I haven't read, watched, and/or listened to. I have never struggled with any athletic endeavor anywhere near as much as I struggle with throwing a god damn plastic frisbee 300ft+. I have stood next to guys IRL tossing mid ranges 350+ and just don't understand how when I'm every bit as muscular and strong as they are, if not stronger. It's so humiliating to not even bother teeing off playing league random doubles because there's literally no point throwing a tee shot that is, AT BEST going to land 100ft short of everyone else on the card. It's humiliating, frustrating and what sucks the most is that I really love the game. Or at least the idea of being halfway decent at it - you know just good enough that it's fun and not just a series of flip a coin "good shot / horrible shot" surprises.
Most of those swing thoughts were things I’ve already thought of and used before. The Frankenstein part was just the combination of some of the less common form pieces from multiple pros together like the precoiling and holding off arm close, etc. I do think a lot of those swing thoughts are useful to go through as a checklist before teeing, at least for certain types of people. It’s hard to give advice about how you can improve your throw without seeing it, but I gave a lengthy roadmap reply on starting form from scratch to someone asking about their 15 year old form and if they should start from scratch or not. Based on the fact that you are that structured with your pre shot routine, it makes me think you could be really structured with practice drills in a very deliberate and progressive way (like in my reply I mentioned) and benefit a lot out of that if you decided to do that.
@@disc-golf-neil Brother man, that is one thing I've noticed about disc golf as a sport - the lack of commonly taught, standardized, practice drills that a player can use to improve various aspects of their game. Basketball, soccer and hockey (to name just a few) all have widely practiced and skill specific drills to improve shooting, dribbling, passing, scoring from range, scoring in close, etc, etc. Kids in basketball gyms all over America know how to run an "around the horn" shooting drill. Other than going out to an open field to throw a bunch of shots - I would love to do any kind of drills specifically intended to improve my ability to throw a disc. I just want to be able to throw a disc on an intended line 300ft and be able to do it repeatedly. That's it, that's all I want. Choose my line, choose the disc and feel confident in being able to execute the shot. As of now it's a crap shoot. Maybe I'll throw that pretty turnover or maybe I'll throw it into a tree on the adjacent fairway?
If you were going to fix a 15 year old swing with many bad habits, would you break it apart piece by piece and work on fixing one thing at a time or start from scratch with something like this Frankenstein form?
Switch throwing arms lol. I switch from right to left after 3 years of casual playing with family and friends and then wanted to be decent so I started left handed and taught my body form from the ground up. Not for everyone but I’m happy with it. Throwing righty is now horrible (always kinda was) but I can slowly teach the same form on the opposite side of the body to keep working on it.
I’d start over with a net and probably start with a 1 leg standstill to focus on practicing coiling and reaching back lowish without any shoulder collapse during the reach back, which presetting scapular protraction definitely can help and possibly more elbow extension too. Then practice pulling through from there slowly to make it easier to reach a good elbow up scapular protraction power pocket position. Then do a bunch of reps of that to build in the muscle memory, verifying the form with regular footage check ins. Gradually increase speed if it’s good and slow down when it breaks down to get more quality reps in to solidify muscle memory. Progress to a normal standstill with weight shift rocking, coiling during the forward weight shift, forcing myself to standstill every drive while playing courses and only change that when I’ve progressed to the next stage on the training. Progress to 1 step standstill with the coil happening during the step. Then progress to Cory Ellis but as a slow walk up to work on X step timing, coiling during the uncrossing step. Then progress to Cory Ellis run up if needed or regular run up. Regress and / slow down throw speed whenever issues arise before progressing again.
@@disc-golf-neil thanks I just bought a net. Doing work outs, stretches, and trying to make form that I can take this 37 year old body as far as it can go into disc golf because I love the sport as adventurer who loves outdoors and pushing through challenges!
@@LuckyDogwood you can do it! I’m almost 36, I have Lumbar5-S1 spinal fusion, partially torn meniscus in left knee, screws in left ankle and left hand, and in the past I’ve had tendinitis in both elbows, neuropathy in both wrists, sciatica, and some right hip pain from high bouldering falls. With constant PT using the exercises and stretches I’ve learned and continuing them for prehab after recovery and staying active, it’s all manageable and some high level performance is still possible. Some of the exercises and stretches I’ve done every day since 2015.
66 is pretty close to my max so it’s probably 90% effort. Can’t really do 100% because you will totally mess something up when you do that. But a lot of times I put in 90% effort and don’t get to 66 MPH because the timing wasn’t right. The first throw was probably closer to 80% effort feeling.
One thing I notice is the target is directly inline with the lane of the front foot. I think the target should be a foot or two more to the left, as your disc essentially inhabits a different lane than your feet. This prevents you from releasing the disc late in order to hit the target. Though towards the end of the video, sometimes the disc is to the left and low of the target.
I like the idea of presetting the throwing arm, and I'll play with that in the future. Like you I don't really have an interest in pre-coiling, though I like the idea of presetting other things. 🙂
In general I aim by bracing perpendicular to my initial aim point because a 10-11 o clock release actually flies towards 12. If I was releasing at 12 I’d be hitting the right side of the net imo.
I could run up more diagonal and still brace in the same spot though.
@@disc-golf-neil yeah I think you're largely releasing at the right time, it just looks like a late release when it hits the target. I noticed it more during the earlier part of the video. Towards the end I saw the disc hit pretty reliably to the left of the target. Not a big deal. It's just something I've focused on a lot in the last year in my attempt to hit gaps better. Still a work in progress. 😁
@@NickCarroll i might also be too close to the net. But it also makes no sound if I don’t hit the target and most of those if I remember correctly, we’re making a sound but might’ve hit the side of target a bit too.
Hi Neil, Where did you get that target to mount on your net?
It came with the net. It’s a cheap net on Amazon. I got the 10 foot wide one but the 7 foot wide one probably would’ve been wide enough.
@@disc-golf-neil Thanks for the reply. I have a similar 10x7 net, but thought maybe you picked up the target separately. Love your videos by the way, keep up the good work!
Man, I don't know if I should laugh or cry right now. The 1st 4 minutes of this video, like EVERYTHING you said IS my pre-shot routine. Or as I have come to think of it - my pre-shot psycho-obsessive ritual prayer for mediocre results. Literally, ALL of your "pre-sets" and swing thoughts you outline as parts of your "Frankenstein" is what I go through (silently in my head) like a fuk'n crazy person on every tee pad.
I am so beyond sick and tired of being bad at this game and having no clue what to do or what I'm doing wrong because I have tried and done it all. Seriously, there's not a disc golf "how to" that I haven't read, watched, and/or listened to. I have never struggled with any athletic endeavor anywhere near as much as I struggle with throwing a god damn plastic frisbee 300ft+. I have stood next to guys IRL tossing mid ranges 350+ and just don't understand how when I'm every bit as muscular and strong as they are, if not stronger. It's so humiliating to not even bother teeing off playing league random doubles because there's literally no point throwing a tee shot that is, AT BEST going to land 100ft short of everyone else on the card. It's humiliating, frustrating and what sucks the most is that I really love the game. Or at least the idea of being halfway decent at it - you know just good enough that it's fun and not just a series of flip a coin "good shot / horrible shot" surprises.
Most of those swing thoughts were things I’ve already thought of and used before. The Frankenstein part was just the combination of some of the less common form pieces from multiple pros together like the precoiling and holding off arm close, etc.
I do think a lot of those swing thoughts are useful to go through as a checklist before teeing, at least for certain types of people.
It’s hard to give advice about how you can improve your throw without seeing it, but I gave a lengthy roadmap reply on starting form from scratch to someone asking about their 15 year old form and if they should start from scratch or not.
Based on the fact that you are that structured with your pre shot routine, it makes me think you could be really structured with practice drills in a very deliberate and progressive way (like in my reply I mentioned) and benefit a lot out of that if you decided to do that.
@@disc-golf-neil Brother man, that is one thing I've noticed about disc golf as a sport - the lack of commonly taught, standardized, practice drills that a player can use to improve various aspects of their game. Basketball, soccer and hockey (to name just a few) all have widely practiced and skill specific drills to improve shooting, dribbling, passing, scoring from range, scoring in close, etc, etc. Kids in basketball gyms all over America know how to run an "around the horn" shooting drill. Other than going out to an open field to throw a bunch of shots - I would love to do any kind of drills specifically intended to improve my ability to throw a disc. I just want to be able to throw a disc on an intended line 300ft and be able to do it repeatedly. That's it, that's all I want. Choose my line, choose the disc and feel confident in being able to execute the shot. As of now it's a crap shoot. Maybe I'll throw that pretty turnover or maybe I'll throw it into a tree on the adjacent fairway?
If you were going to fix a 15 year old swing with many bad habits, would you break it apart piece by piece and work on fixing one thing at a time or start from scratch with something like this Frankenstein form?
Switch throwing arms lol. I switch from right to left after 3 years of casual playing with family and friends and then wanted to be decent so I started left handed and taught my body form from the ground up. Not for everyone but I’m happy with it. Throwing righty is now horrible (always kinda was) but I can slowly teach the same form on the opposite side of the body to keep working on it.
I’d start over with a net and probably start with a 1 leg standstill to focus on practicing coiling and reaching back lowish without any shoulder collapse during the reach back, which presetting scapular protraction definitely can help and possibly more elbow extension too. Then practice pulling through from there slowly to make it easier to reach a good elbow up scapular protraction power pocket position. Then do a bunch of reps of that to build in the muscle memory, verifying the form with regular footage check ins. Gradually increase speed if it’s good and slow down when it breaks down to get more quality reps in to solidify muscle memory.
Progress to a normal standstill with weight shift rocking, coiling during the forward weight shift, forcing myself to standstill every drive while playing courses and only change that when I’ve progressed to the next stage on the training.
Progress to 1 step standstill with the coil happening during the step.
Then progress to Cory Ellis but as a slow walk up to work on X step timing, coiling during the uncrossing step.
Then progress to Cory Ellis run up if needed or regular run up.
Regress and / slow down throw speed whenever issues arise before progressing again.
@@disc-golf-neil thanks I just bought a net. Doing work outs, stretches, and trying to make form that I can take this 37 year old body as far as it can go into disc golf because I love the sport as adventurer who loves outdoors and pushing through challenges!
@@LuckyDogwood you can do it!
I’m almost 36, I have Lumbar5-S1 spinal fusion, partially torn meniscus in left knee, screws in left ankle and left hand, and in the past I’ve had tendinitis in both elbows, neuropathy in both wrists, sciatica, and some right hip pain from high bouldering falls.
With constant PT using the exercises and stretches I’ve learned and continuing them for prehab after recovery and staying active, it’s all manageable and some high level performance is still possible. Some of the exercises and stretches I’ve done every day since 2015.
@@disc-golf-neil that's incredible, props to you. Can't tell you've been through all that watching your form!
10:18 what was your perceived effort? You threw harder faster than normal? Vs your normal throw how does it compare physically?
66 is pretty close to my max so it’s probably 90% effort. Can’t really do 100% because you will totally mess something up when you do that.
But a lot of times I put in 90% effort and don’t get to 66 MPH because the timing wasn’t right. The first throw was probably closer to 80% effort feeling.