Noam I really appreciate you having this conversation. It takes courage to confront your bias and be willing to have difficult conversations. I really like Martyrmade and I think his 27 hour series in Israel was really enlightening.
@28:10 am I wrong that this is really the answer we’re looking for with cooper’s whole narrative? I think he kinda slipped up -or maybe didn’t fully realize it until he said it just then, if I was being more charitable
Darryl took a long time to make this point, but he got there eventually: as a Christian, it's important to remember that "jew" is not the outgroup in the new testament, its the in-group. It's important that the Jews killed Christ because that means it is we who killed Christ, not the romans or the pagans who can easily be dismissed as evil outsiders. I also think the modern way of reading the bible adds confusion. The Bible was compiled in a liturgical context; texts were deemed canonical because they were appropriate for reading in church (opposed to other kinds of texts which people could learn from, but not appropriate for use in Christian worship). In the Catholic church, we read the crucifixion narrative on Palm Sunday before easter, and there is an interactive part where the congregation has to act out the part of the crowd. We repeat "crucify him" because it is our responsibility. We are the same kind of people as those who killed Christ, and in the traditional liturgical setting, that message is driven home. Without that liturgical setting, reading the bible alone the way fundamentalists do where every line is an isolated instruction about the nature of the universe, lines like "his blood be on us and our children" is much more problematic. I get why a modern jewish person would find this line troubling if you treat religious texts as a kind of legal document where each clause has independent meaning, but I dont think the line needs any more explanation than to make the point that we are all personally guilty for Christ's death, not some enemy faction.
I agree with your interpretation but find that for Darryl (and anyone), certain truths require a certain degree of care when promoting. I've always found Darryl as a podcaster to tread carefully and responsibly when sharing information that could easily weaponized as nazi propoganda. However, as an online personality, he's a bit schizophrenic as he posts pretty vile hot takes and tends to side with and somewhat coddle anti-semite followers. Noam called him out on this a bit, and Cooper kind of dodged by claiming these people will be radicalized worse elsewhere if they're constantly being scolded. However, he's not exactly shepherding them away from hate so I fail to see the upside in whatever role he plays as an online personality.
@@andyjones1982 better than most but still terrible? Dude what’s your standard? To be terrible would to be sub par. How is he terrible but also better than most?
It never made any sense to me that Christians would be angry at the Jews for Jesus being killed when that’s exactly why, according to the Bible, he came to earth-to die for our sins.
I like some of Cooper's stuff, but his worldview has always struck me as more Jugian/Spenglerian than Christian. Any Christian - even, often, the rabid anti-semites among them - would have quickly said "Matthew is written from a jew to jews in the tradition of jewish prophetic literature so obviously the 'blood curse' isn't ethnic it's a typical note of us (insofar as we stand in synechdoche for all mankind) again failing God." IDK whats going on in cooperville
There's a reason this edgelord has no real academic credentials: he could never face up to scrutiny by peers who, rather than being easy-to-impress podcast hosts, have the footing in facts to check his claims against reality.
Ok clearly you know nothing about him he decided to do his podcasts to talk about subjects that intrested him and would spend a very long time preparing and doing sometime dozens of hours over several podcasts talking about things. Everything he talks about comes from books writen, offical doucments, people involved who wrote books or what they have said when talking about the subject. But hey why bother to even check what he does or how.
@@yagsipcc287 He does preparation? Whoa, I didn't know that; that's so rigorous. And he talks about things that "come from books"? Wow. Any suspicion he might misrepresent things or put a spin on things to suit an ideology is surely dispelled. I bet he even writes in full sentences.
@@huugosorsselsson4122 oh wow looks someone being an ass shocker. Ah yes how dare someone read books that came out for 30 years after the war from people directly involved or official government documents or from mainstream historians who were talking for decades oh no the horror of it all. Maybe if you bothered to learn about about the person you clowns are talking about over making statements that do not reflect on him. Oh no he talked about something you don't like for a short period of time while he is doing a series that will be dozens of hours long go over major details, talk about where things came from and by who. But no of course not you clowns react to things you know nothing about, make claims about people you know nothing about and if course becomes emotional messes when people say how someone isn't this great perfect man 🤣
Hell yeah, happy to see this. The israel palestine / jim jones series were incredible and very immersive, but I've agreed with some of Noam's views and disagreements with twitter daryll lately, but have appreciated their respect for good faith discourse with each other
I love Darryl's storytelling but his version of Christianity is modern and heretical: specifically the idea that God Himself changed from Old Testament to New Testament is just a wrong understanding of Job. The key to Job is in chapter 19 where he says, "I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes-I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!" Job held on because of hope in two future things: God will come to earth and stand there like a man, and Job will be resurrected from the dead to see him.
The first act of forgiveness was Josef's in Egypt of his brothers. The Tanach is full of examples of forgiveness and love. An 'eye for an eye' was very early on read as tort law not revenge. These are profound misunderstandings of Judaism, as much by Jews as others...
Fun Fact: "Let he without sin cast the first stone," is the one thing we know Jesus didn't say. The early manuscripts do not contain this saying. A scribe added it hundreds of years after Jesus died.
@@SBJelloBS well Christian ethics would be based on stuff christ said wouldn't it? So if he never said that quote then as a Christian you don't gotta live by it
@@wubanizer Well, firstly, I would want a significant amount of evidence that this was something added in later. But even if you ignore it in your reading, there's an abundance of ethics related to withholding judgment and focusing, instead, on oneself in multiple gospels, thus showing that it is a theme and not just some random quote: John 8:1-8 is the story of the adulteress. Matthew 7:1-3 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Luke 6:37-41 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” 39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. 41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Luke 6:31-36 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. And many, many, many more. You can see a pretty comprehensive list at: www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/#:~:text=Matthew%207%3A1%2D5,plank%20in%20your%20own%20eye%3F
"pretends it's in our religion when it's not" - It would be interesting to see Shai Held on the podcast. He's a fascinating writer and thinker and recently published a book, Judaism Is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life. I won't link to it because whenever I do that on YT my comments disappear 😂
There were many sects of Jews at the time (Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots, Pharisees, etc) and they hated each other, often in a bellicose manner. In so far as Christians are Jews, some of them behave like those bellicose Jews to other bellicose Jews.
I feel like noam has maybe too much good faith. That guy Dave Smith is on that Jake Shields guys podcast, the most preeminent celebrity antisemite I've been aware of.
Hmmm… yeah idk about this guys theology or Christian history… much less his overarching ideology. I think his beliefs are pretty fringe among traditional Christians. Still waiting for him to go head to head with a real historian.
GREAT interview, thanks for pulling it together. Seems to me, nobody should put their faith in such a volatile mind as his, but getting better acquainted with provocateurs gets to a greater good. Reminds me of the Louis C.K. bit about abortion (his Netflix special from D.C.): he's totally in favor of it, but don't be surprised when people who think it's murder, express passions. Christians are named after Christ and the historical record suggests that Jews (well actually, a specific crowd of specific Jews at a specific time) ordered his death along with the Romans. So yeah, there are Darryl Coopers in the world still feeling passionate about it. (Not me.)
I like many if Cooper's histirical takes, but I can assure you 100% that his view on Christianity is not the original traditional view, that’s not at all how us Orthodox or the Roman Catholics view God, the Jews or anything. His take on God, the Old Testament and the New Testament is just purely heretical. Old Testament and the New Testament are in perfect continuity, Christ is acting throughly the Old Testament, he didn't "learn compassion" after incarnation - He is omniscient! That's just illogical.
Darryl says the god had to come down to earth to find out what it was like. This is reasonable if you believe in a limited god but not an all-knowing god who sees into the hearts of human beings. He also says that the New Testament is about compassion and mercy. Except for the part where bad people get what's coming to them. Noam you should read or listen to some Bart Ehrman on that. The parable of the sheep and goats has nothing to do with the messiah but just says that nice people get an afterlife and uncaring people don't. The book of Job is clearly just a made-up story to examine tragedy. At the start the god doesn't know how good Job is so he tests him. At the end, he agrees that Job is a good guy but tells him that he was wrong to complain because he doesn't know everything that the god knows. Darryl says that it is simply the presence of the god that soothes Job's mind. And he thinks that the story literally portrays a god who doesn't understand what goes on in the hearts of men. He also seems to say that he has to believe that "The Jews" killed Jesus. This is just an example of what Christopher Hitchens regularly said: that religion can make smart, decent people believe and do ridiculous things. As for his complaints about Jewish separateness. Paul tried to make Judaism less separate by cancelling the observance of Jewish law. But not 100%. He didn't believe that Christians should participate in civic holidays that involved pagan gods and that they should not eat meat from sacrifices to gods. This separated them from other people in a profound way. And their entire history has been haunted by heresy hunting because of their separateness from eachother.
Seems like a lot of the problems people tend to have with Daryl revolve more around the conclusions he makes and less around the facts he presents as a historian. What objections do you have specifically with Daryl’s historical facts? Does he get things wrong?
You’re right. His “scholarship” on ww2 is stunning. Ask any expert. Oh they have. And they all agree it’s amateurish idiotic uninformed garbage. Nice try.
On twitter Noam was a magnet for all biased criticism of anything/anyone who objectively critiqued the Zionists one year war on Gaza; also harsh criticism of this man’s views and criticism for Tucker Carlson.
Oh yes a "weirdo" who if you actually listened to instead of what others said. You would know he uses infomation from books, offical documents, people who were directly involved what they wrote in books, letters and offical reports. But hey...
@SortOfEggish the Jews. The Capitalist ones in Britain and America, the Communist ones right across the European continent, the Liberal ones everywhere, especially in Germany during the Weimar period.
Noam, I love your podcast and I think it’s awesome. But oh! How I cringe when Jews who know next to nothing about their own heritage enthusiastically agree with ancient Christian canards about Judaism, such as the God of the Hebrew Bible is the God of wrath while the God of Christian scripture is the God of love, and that forgiveness and non-retaliation are Christian innovations. “You shall not take revenge and you shall not bear a grudge” come straight out of Deuteronomy. And the rabbis of the Talmud taught that Yom Kippur cannot atone for your sins until you have sought forgiveness from your friends. There are numerous other teachings on God’s fatherly love for his people, forgiveness, and how to treat our fellow humans; I’ve given only a tiny sample. I hope you’ll correct the record on this!
So embarrassing, I mean Leviticus. That whole chapter (19) is worth reading if only to show that it gives the lie to Daryl Cooper’s words about Judaism. For example, that’s where “love your neighbor” comes from; Jesus didn’t invent that teaching.
It blows my mind that Noam is so taken by Martyrs " Brilliance" that amount to being a Dostoyevsky fan boy, and some really basic and facile interpretations of the bible.
@@TimG-lq1pe Pirkei Avot Chapter 4 verse 8: He would say: Don't be a lone judge, for there is no lone judge aside from the One [God] Pirkei Avot Chapter 2 Verse 4: Do not judge your fellow man until you have reached his place.
its a tactic to capture audience to sound smart and eloquent but with no historical substance and accuracy. American revisionist of history at its finest.
You know ever since I’ve gotten kicked out of Catholicism 101 Class for defending my Semitic roots and Judaism in University back in 2016-2017 when I first ran into Christian Theology it still is the most confusing incoherent faith I’ve ever ran into. This guy just made things even more confusing. Christians are a peculiar bunch I must say. I’d take my chances with Moses and his god given laws before I commit blasphemy and call Yeshua a Jewish Rabbi the Romans Crucified “God”. Jews need to defend Jesuses Jewish upbringing more than they have all these thousands of years because Christians have been lying about him for years! How did Christians even co-opt his teachings to come back around to slaughter Jews for centuries this is mind boggling. ERETZ ISRAEL ✡️🇮🇱✡️🇮🇱✡️❤️
So interesting… no views on this hot button guy, not worth platforming a hack unless you’re as big as Tucker Carlson is it? (you’re as garbage as he is for inviting him on)
Yeah, I can't imagine why. A year of sustained criticism about the genocidal policies of his favorite country and his co-religionists could be a buzzkill, best avoided.
This guy says so many profoundly weird things. Two (of many) examples. First, he says his god didn't understand human suffering until Jesus was crucified. Well, is god an all-knowing, omnipotent, unbounded being, or isnt't he? Second, he says life on Earth couldn't be any different than it is because death is part of the unavoidable order of things. Well again, is his god an all-knowing, omnipotent being or not? If he is omnipotent, couldn't he have created a world without death and suffering?
It seems like you weren't listening. The contradiction here is exactly what he spoke to address. Am omnipotent God must know what human suffering feels like, but it can't know what it feels like when it's the only thing available to feel. Let me ask you a question. Can God, being all powerful, solve a Sodoku puzzle by filling in all the squares with smiley faces? God is averse to gibberish, for whatever reason, or there would be no point in the creation of order. Go ahead and condemn God for not creating your existence in a marshmallow of unrelenting joy. See where it gets you.
@@bluddimess 1) I don't believe there is a god. 2) If the omnipotent god this guy believes in exists, then, by definition, it could have created a world without death and without suffering. But let's be clear, I think all this talk about gods and chosen people is drivel.
@@epeck1115 1) Nor necessarily do I, but we're discussing the concept, and if you didn't "believe" in the concept you couldn't be discussing it. 2) Could an omnipotent God solve a Sudoku by pencilling in smiley faces on all the blank squares? I don't think you're really engaging with the concept.
"If he is omnipotent, couldn't he have created a world without death and suffering?" Yes. Attempts at theodicy are usually just lazy rationalization. Piss-poor premises sought for a pre-decided conclusion. Besides, even if *some* suffering & death were necessary (for some arbitrary reason), why *this* exact "amount" of suffering & death that we have in the real world? What theodicy would hold of our actual world but not of a possible world that was like ours, minus X number of evils?
Noam I really appreciate you having this conversation.
It takes courage to confront your bias and be willing to have difficult conversations.
I really like Martyrmade and I think his 27 hour series in Israel was really enlightening.
@28:10 am I wrong that this is really the answer we’re looking for with cooper’s whole narrative? I think he kinda slipped up -or maybe didn’t fully realize it until he said it just then, if I was being more charitable
What in the f are you on about???
Darryl took a long time to make this point, but he got there eventually: as a Christian, it's important to remember that "jew" is not the outgroup in the new testament, its the in-group. It's important that the Jews killed Christ because that means it is we who killed Christ, not the romans or the pagans who can easily be dismissed as evil outsiders.
I also think the modern way of reading the bible adds confusion. The Bible was compiled in a liturgical context; texts were deemed canonical because they were appropriate for reading in church (opposed to other kinds of texts which people could learn from, but not appropriate for use in Christian worship). In the Catholic church, we read the crucifixion narrative on Palm Sunday before easter, and there is an interactive part where the congregation has to act out the part of the crowd. We repeat "crucify him" because it is our responsibility. We are the same kind of people as those who killed Christ, and in the traditional liturgical setting, that message is driven home. Without that liturgical setting, reading the bible alone the way fundamentalists do where every line is an isolated instruction about the nature of the universe, lines like "his blood be on us and our children" is much more problematic. I get why a modern jewish person would find this line troubling if you treat religious texts as a kind of legal document where each clause has independent meaning, but I dont think the line needs any more explanation than to make the point that we are all personally guilty for Christ's death, not some enemy faction.
I agree with your interpretation but find that for Darryl (and anyone), certain truths require a certain degree of care when promoting. I've always found Darryl as a podcaster to tread carefully and responsibly when sharing information that could easily weaponized as nazi propoganda. However, as an online personality, he's a bit schizophrenic as he posts pretty vile hot takes and tends to side with and somewhat coddle anti-semite followers. Noam called him out on this a bit, and Cooper kind of dodged by claiming these people will be radicalized worse elsewhere if they're constantly being scolded. However, he's not exactly shepherding them away from hate so I fail to see the upside in whatever role he plays as an online personality.
You can't get much further of an out group than contrary to man, of their father, and the synagogue of Satan. You don't get it big guy.
@@JaredCzaia Quit your whining about anti semitism no one cares. Everyone knows which ethno group is occupying western governments
Darryl Cooper’s knowledge of the Bible/old and New Testament is scholarly. What a pleasure to learn from him.
He’s not into fiction books much
Its better than most, but be aware its still terrible.
@@andyjones1982 better than most but still terrible?
Dude what’s your standard?
To be terrible would to be sub par.
How is he terrible but also better than most?
Thank you Noam and Martyrmade
Martyr? Must have borrowed that from islamists
It never made any sense to me that Christians would be angry at the Jews for Jesus being killed when that’s exactly why, according to the Bible, he came to earth-to die for our sins.
You gotta understand, I’m a shitpoaster. Lolol
I like some of Cooper's stuff, but his worldview has always struck me as more Jugian/Spenglerian than Christian. Any Christian - even, often, the rabid anti-semites among them - would have quickly said "Matthew is written from a jew to jews in the tradition of jewish prophetic literature so obviously the 'blood curse' isn't ethnic it's a typical note of us (insofar as we stand in synechdoche for all mankind) again failing God." IDK whats going on in cooperville
@@voehr1079 Anyone who has political positions based on religion texts, is bound to say nonsense.
Every political position is based on ancient religious texts. Failure to understand that reflects deep historical myopia.
@@pepunarsomeone being consistent by basing their politics on their worldview is rediculous? That's news to me....
There's a reason this edgelord has no real academic credentials: he could never face up to scrutiny by peers who, rather than being easy-to-impress podcast hosts, have the footing in facts to check his claims against reality.
Ok clearly you know nothing about him he decided to do his podcasts to talk about subjects that intrested him and would spend a very long time preparing and doing sometime dozens of hours over several podcasts talking about things. Everything he talks about comes from books writen, offical doucments, people involved who wrote books or what they have said when talking about the subject. But hey why bother to even check what he does or how.
@@yagsipcc287 He does preparation? Whoa, I didn't know that; that's so rigorous. And he talks about things that "come from books"? Wow. Any suspicion he might misrepresent things or put a spin on things to suit an ideology is surely dispelled. I bet he even writes in full sentences.
@@huugosorsselsson4122 oh wow looks someone being an ass shocker. Ah yes how dare someone read books that came out for 30 years after the war from people directly involved or official government documents or from mainstream historians who were talking for decades oh no the horror of it all. Maybe if you bothered to learn about about the person you clowns are talking about over making statements that do not reflect on him. Oh no he talked about something you don't like for a short period of time while he is doing a series that will be dozens of hours long go over major details, talk about where things came from and by who. But no of course not you clowns react to things you know nothing about, make claims about people you know nothing about and if course becomes emotional messes when people say how someone isn't this great perfect man 🤣
It’s a touchy subject. A forbidden subject.
As an orthodox jew myself he doesn't know our ideology and the interplay between jewdiasm and Christianity
anyone who says "as a" ... before a statement is disqualified lol
@@3rdFloor let alone someone that cant even spell judaism correctly lmfao
Hell yeah, happy to see this. The israel palestine / jim jones series were incredible and very immersive, but I've agreed with some of Noam's views and disagreements with twitter daryll lately, but have appreciated their respect for good faith discourse with each other
I love Darryl's storytelling but his version of Christianity is modern and heretical: specifically the idea that God Himself changed from Old Testament to New Testament is just a wrong understanding of Job. The key to Job is in chapter 19 where he says, "I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes-I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!" Job held on because of hope in two future things: God will come to earth and stand there like a man, and Job will be resurrected from the dead to see him.
Cooper's god is constrained by time like we are. Is't that more like an ancient Greek or Norse god than the Christian God?
BROTHER! @38:00, "love neighbor as youself" in Leviticus 19
The first act of forgiveness was Josef's in Egypt of his brothers. The Tanach is full of examples of forgiveness and love. An 'eye for an eye' was very early on read as tort law not revenge. These are profound misunderstandings of Judaism, as much by Jews as others...
Yes everything in the New Testament has substantial roots in the Old Testament.
Fun Fact: "Let he without sin cast the first stone," is the one thing we know Jesus didn't say. The early manuscripts do not contain this saying. A scribe added it hundreds of years after Jesus died.
So, we should cast judgment wantonly?
@@SBJelloBS Up to you.
@@wubanizer For a moral relativist, sure. Christian ethics, I thought, dictated something different.
@@SBJelloBS well Christian ethics would be based on stuff christ said wouldn't it? So if he never said that quote then as a Christian you don't gotta live by it
@@wubanizer Well, firstly, I would want a significant amount of evidence that this was something added in later. But even if you ignore it in your reading, there's an abundance of ethics related to withholding judgment and focusing, instead, on oneself in multiple gospels, thus showing that it is a theme and not just some random quote:
John 8:1-8 is the story of the adulteress.
Matthew 7:1-3
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Luke 6:37-41
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit?
40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Luke 6:31-36
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.
34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.
35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
And many, many, many more. You can see a pretty comprehensive list at:
www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/#:~:text=Matthew%207%3A1%2D5,plank%20in%20your%20own%20eye%3F
Great conversation
"pretends it's in our religion when it's not" - It would be interesting to see Shai Held on the podcast. He's a fascinating writer and thinker and recently published a book, Judaism Is About Love: Recovering the Heart of Jewish Life. I won't link to it because whenever I do that on YT my comments disappear 😂
👀The Fountain!
16:01 views on job
There were many sects of Jews at the time (Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots, Pharisees, etc) and they hated each other, often in a bellicose manner. In so far as Christians are Jews, some of them behave like those bellicose Jews to other bellicose Jews.
I feel like noam has maybe too much good faith. That guy Dave Smith is on that Jake Shields guys podcast, the most preeminent celebrity antisemite I've been aware of.
Dave smith is a hypocritical buffoon that grifts for opportunity and money that weasel has no soul.
Smith is an utter bad-faith blowhard. He brings down anyone who gives him time.
I haven't seen that yet.
Too afraid to look, tbh.
How'd he go?
@@oraz. Dave Smith another self hater. Ugh. I was blissfully unaware of these people's existence until recently
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Hmmm… yeah idk about this guys theology or Christian history… much less his overarching ideology. I think his beliefs are pretty fringe among traditional Christians. Still waiting for him to go head to head with a real historian.
GREAT interview, thanks for pulling it together. Seems to me, nobody should put their faith in such a volatile mind as his, but getting better acquainted with provocateurs gets to a greater good. Reminds me of the Louis C.K. bit about abortion (his Netflix special from D.C.): he's totally in favor of it, but don't be surprised when people who think it's murder, express passions. Christians are named after Christ and the historical record suggests that Jews (well actually, a specific crowd of specific Jews at a specific time) ordered his death along with the Romans. So yeah, there are Darryl Coopers in the world still feeling passionate about it. (Not me.)
Non linear in a Salvador Dali work
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I like many if Cooper's histirical takes, but I can assure you 100% that his view on Christianity is not the original traditional view, that’s not at all how us Orthodox or the Roman Catholics view God, the Jews or anything. His take on God, the Old Testament and the New Testament is just purely heretical. Old Testament and the New Testament are in perfect continuity, Christ is acting throughly the Old Testament, he didn't "learn compassion" after incarnation - He is omniscient! That's just illogical.
I love Daryl... but... his theology is bad
Why do you love him then?
Bad because its true?
@chriscourville8098 you are not very smart
Jews were invited to the feast - indeed, still are invited! - but if they reject the invitation, yes: outer darkness. See Matthew 22:1-14.
Darryl says the god had to come down to earth to find out what it was like. This is reasonable if you believe in a limited god but not an all-knowing god who sees into the hearts of human beings.
He also says that the New Testament is about compassion and mercy. Except for the part where bad people get what's coming to them. Noam you should read or listen to some Bart Ehrman on that. The parable of the sheep and goats has nothing to do with the messiah but just says that nice people get an afterlife and uncaring people don't.
The book of Job is clearly just a made-up story to examine tragedy. At the start the god doesn't know how good Job is so he tests him. At the end, he agrees that Job is a good guy but tells him that he was wrong to complain because he doesn't know everything that the god knows. Darryl says that it is simply the presence of the god that soothes Job's mind. And he thinks that the story literally portrays a god who doesn't understand what goes on in the hearts of men.
He also seems to say that he has to believe that "The Jews" killed Jesus. This is just an example of what Christopher Hitchens regularly said: that religion can make smart, decent people believe and do ridiculous things.
As for his complaints about Jewish separateness. Paul tried to make Judaism less separate by cancelling the observance of Jewish law. But not 100%. He didn't believe that Christians should participate in civic holidays that involved pagan gods and that they should not eat meat from sacrifices to gods. This separated them from other people in a profound way. And their entire history has been haunted by heresy hunting because of their separateness from eachother.
Need a Sam Harris redux after this one.
This is some crazy rambling. Get an expert on ancient texts like James Tabor or Bart Ehman, and not a religious zealot Intelligence matters.
Tucker believes *this* guy is the best modern historian of our time? 🤦🏻♀️
Anyone who is a contrarian against the "standard narrative" is immediately seen as a genius
Consider the source. It's self-explanatory.
Seems like a lot of the problems people tend to have with Daryl revolve more around the conclusions he makes and less around the facts he presents as a historian.
What objections do you have specifically with Daryl’s historical facts? Does he get things wrong?
@@michaelabraham2740 Yes quite a few actually.
@@michaelabraham2740 The people that are most butt hurt over Cooper never heard of the guy until he was on Carlson’s show.
Noam blushing, aw-shucking, and stammering with these total phony internet “intellectuals” he’s so impressed with. Bring back the comedian guests.
Doesn't it bother you he's not more hateful?
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfanoh he's plenty hateful - to Jews
Both Noam and Darryl are smarter, more conscientious and well meaning than you.
There's plenty of the content you are looking for available elsewhere.
You’re right. His “scholarship” on ww2 is stunning. Ask any expert. Oh they have. And they all agree it’s amateurish idiotic uninformed garbage. Nice try.
@@D.Jr47 irrelevant
On twitter Noam was a magnet for all biased criticism of anything/anyone who objectively critiqued the Zionists one year war on Gaza; also harsh criticism of this man’s views and criticism for Tucker Carlson.
It was fun when you had a real historian on to debunk this weirdo. I don't see the point in having him on though
Oh yes a "weirdo" who if you actually listened to instead of what others said. You would know he uses infomation from books, offical documents, people who were directly involved what they wrote in books, letters and offical reports. But hey...
@@yagsipcc287 Who was the aggressor in WW2?
@@yagsipcc287 What a useless response. The main book he recommended for WW2 was fucking Pat Buchanan's. Unserious person
@SortOfEggish the Jews. The Capitalist ones in Britain and America, the Communist ones right across the European continent, the Liberal ones everywhere, especially in Germany during the Weimar period.
Debate Zachary Foster
It's interesting to hear nonsense discussed so eloquently. It's magical thinking.
Noam, I love your podcast and I think it’s awesome. But oh! How I cringe when Jews who know next to nothing about their own heritage enthusiastically agree with ancient Christian canards about Judaism, such as the God of the Hebrew Bible is the God of wrath while the God of Christian scripture is the God of love, and that forgiveness and non-retaliation are Christian innovations.
“You shall not take revenge and you shall not bear a grudge” come straight out of Deuteronomy. And the rabbis of the Talmud taught that Yom Kippur cannot atone for your sins until you have sought forgiveness from your friends. There are numerous other teachings on God’s fatherly love for his people, forgiveness, and how to treat our fellow humans; I’ve given only a tiny sample.
I hope you’ll correct the record on this!
So embarrassing, I mean Leviticus. That whole chapter (19) is worth reading if only to show that it gives the lie to Daryl Cooper’s words about Judaism. For example, that’s where “love your neighbor” comes from; Jesus didn’t invent that teaching.
It blows my mind that Noam is so taken by Martyrs " Brilliance" that amount to being a Dostoyevsky fan boy, and some really basic and facile interpretations of the bible.
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God love Noam and his level of patience after that: bla bla bla bla
Forgiveness, turn the other cheek, and not cast the first stone are as Jewish as it gets. Noam, I am really not sure where you get that from.
I am happy to provide you with sources if you'd like.
Go for it.
@@TimG-lq1pe Pirkei Avot Chapter 4 verse 8: He would say: Don't be a lone judge, for there is no lone judge aside from the One [God]
Pirkei Avot Chapter 2 Verse 4: Do not judge your fellow man until you have reached his place.
He talks a lot and says very little.
its a tactic to capture audience to sound smart and eloquent but with no historical substance and accuracy. American revisionist of history at its finest.
Lol.
@@danielkh7103your smarminess is that tactic.
Real motherfuckers see it like neon.
Nobody who respects you is probably worth respecting.
It’s ok to admit you’re coming into the conversation with immovable preconceptions.
@@timothylongfield3640 This is theology dressed up as history.
You know ever since I’ve gotten kicked out of Catholicism 101 Class for defending my Semitic roots and Judaism in University back in 2016-2017 when I first ran into Christian Theology it still is the most confusing incoherent faith I’ve ever ran into. This guy just made things even more confusing. Christians are a peculiar bunch I must say. I’d take my chances with Moses and his god given laws before I commit blasphemy and call Yeshua a Jewish Rabbi the Romans Crucified “God”. Jews need to defend Jesuses Jewish upbringing more than they have all these thousands of years because Christians have been lying about him for years! How did Christians even co-opt his teachings to come back around to slaughter Jews for centuries this is mind boggling.
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Tucker Carlson's favorite historian everybody.
So interesting… no views on this hot button guy, not worth platforming a hack unless you’re as big as Tucker Carlson is it? (you’re as garbage as he is for inviting him on)
Sheesh.
@@comedycellarclipssorry for being so harsh, but once we lose a grip on the truths of the horror of world war 2, we’re in a dark and sad place
He consistently invites on Jew haters to "explain" history to him and then agrees with their twisted false takes.
In the new testament you have the introduction of hell, so much for compassion.
Noam is tired of the Israel/Gaza debate. His podcasts on the subject are echo chambers.
Yeah, I can't imagine why. A year of sustained criticism about the genocidal policies of his favorite country and his co-religionists could be a buzzkill, best avoided.
This guy says so many profoundly weird things. Two (of many) examples. First, he says his god didn't understand human suffering until Jesus was crucified. Well, is god an all-knowing, omnipotent, unbounded being, or isnt't he? Second, he says life on Earth couldn't be any different than it is because death is part of the unavoidable order of things. Well again, is his god an all-knowing, omnipotent being or not? If he is omnipotent, couldn't he have created a world without death and suffering?
It seems like you weren't listening. The contradiction here is exactly what he spoke to address.
Am omnipotent God must know what human suffering feels like, but it can't know what it feels like when it's the only thing available to feel.
Let me ask you a question.
Can God, being all powerful, solve a Sodoku puzzle by filling in all the squares with smiley faces?
God is averse to gibberish, for whatever reason, or there would be no point in the creation of order.
Go ahead and condemn God for not creating your existence in a marshmallow of unrelenting joy.
See where it gets you.
@@bluddimess 1) I don't believe there is a god. 2) If the omnipotent god this guy believes in exists, then, by definition, it could have created a world without death and without suffering. But let's be clear, I think all this talk about gods and chosen people is drivel.
@@epeck1115 1) Nor necessarily do I, but we're discussing the concept, and if you didn't "believe" in the concept you couldn't be discussing it.
2) Could an omnipotent God solve a Sudoku by pencilling in smiley faces on all the blank squares?
I don't think you're really engaging with the concept.
"If he is omnipotent, couldn't he have created a world without death and suffering?"
Yes. Attempts at theodicy are usually just lazy rationalization. Piss-poor premises sought for a pre-decided conclusion. Besides, even if *some* suffering & death were necessary (for some arbitrary reason), why *this* exact "amount" of suffering & death that we have in the real world? What theodicy would hold of our actual world but not of a possible world that was like ours, minus X number of evils?
Birds of a feather...
Blue on white, red-white-black...who cares? if you squint hard enough, it all looks the same, right?
If Noam was an honest broker, he’d have more than 900 views.
This comment is aging poorly, not 3 hours after it was posted.
@@randomusername587 Because now it's a whopping 2,000 after 15 hours? Haha
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