This should be the top comment! What a weird edit mid sentence. Makes me wonder if norm is trying to hide something with these edits where most of them are irrelevant like this one, and then maybe there’s one where he edits something out or in on purpose and no one notices because of the many other irrelevant edits.
Noam kind of gets lost when the Hungary/nationalism idea comes up. I mean at that point, if you're going to cast aspersions on Cooper for his position there, you kind of lose any ability to defend Israel as a Jewish state.
Not to mention, Israel was sterilizing the non-white/middle eastern Jewish population within Israel. Obviously that means they were accepting immigrant workers who believed they were Jewish and then destroying their futures in order to maintain their ethnic majority. Its kind of crazy when you think about it. Imagine if Black people were imported into the US and identified with it, and then their futures were taken away from them in the form of sterilization in order to maintain a white America. You are right on the bullseye of the hypocrisy. I dont think we can have honest conversations about these things because it leads down a dark path and that might be tough for peopke
I dont know if the host is aware of this (I'm assuming not because thats the most charitable interpretation) but his long "questions" aren't really questions. They are veiled attacks on the orher persons character. He does say things like "I'd love to give you the chance to respond, i want you to tell me where I'm wrong" etc but that's the veil that covers what he's really doing. Maybe he thinks that's how you should approach discussions on difficult topics, i don't know but it's not a functional dynamic.
That is the point. Darryl is kind of on trial following the Tucker thing (and also his history of shitty tweets), and Noam is giving him an opportunity to address a bunch of the allegations this has raised against him and is trying to do it in a firm but fair manner so that it will have some credibility with people who automatically discount Darryl. I’m a big martyrmade fan, but it’s good for Darryl to have to explain himself. He’s getting too big for the kind of shitposting he historically enjoys, especially because his podcast is based around its nuance and attempt to understand the point of view of everyone in the story. Darryl seems to get it and be happy with the opportunity.
Im a fan of Daryl’s podcast on Israel/palestine. He’s a thoughtful deep thinker, empathetic, and unafraid. He absolutely belongs in the conversation and I hope to see more of him!
@@IsomerSoma I know you don't care but you have no idea what you're talking about. In this moment all you are inhabiting is the role of a low IQ street thug going after somebody who is wearing the wrong gang's colors or something. You are a mindless tool and nobody should take you seriously.
@@asmith587 That is by far the most fair and on-point criticism of Cooper that I've seen in the past couple months since his Tucker interview. I don't think he'd even disagree with you. That of course doesn't absolve the people who selectively pick out things or speak out of ignorance about him.
Hearing the host talk out loud about wether he would give Jefferson a "pass" for owning slaves made me realise the different ways people think about these things. I think the way Darryl does about it, maybe it is a Christian thing. There are no monsters, just people and sitting in judgment of others is a silly game. (The idea of "giving people a pass" is incredibly superficial and insufficient when you're approaching these topics). I suppose the difference is, are you playing the game of trying to understand or are you playing the game of trying to be the most morally pure person in the room. The understanding game is real and can actually change things for the better. The other game is just a slightly more sophisticated version of chimp tribes throwing feces at each other. I mean, its fun, i get it but it doesn't really get you anywhere.
I think the bigger problem with not discussing and understanding issues, whether you agree or not, is that you make those issues bigger than they originally were. Over time, facts are lost and biased narratives take their place.
I’m just a 20 something Irish Catholic guy in Boston trying to understand the world and I really appreciate the honesty and integrity of both of you ❤️
This blew my mind. I want to give Darryl Cooper the benefit of doubt because of how much I like his podcast. I think Daryl Cooper lives his life without hiding very much and it may get him into trouble. But he's not lying or hiding something. Most of us hide an awful lot to show people how virtuous we are. I'm not accusing anything he may have done that he's offensive or damaging, only saying that everyone was as open as I think he may be we would be as offensive and damaging or more so.
Dostoevsky's major thesis in that essay is that Jews for a "state within the state." Similar theme found in Philo's "Against Flaccus" 2,000 years ago. Demands real consideration.
A beautiful podcast. A rare and uplifting demonstration of good men brave enough to tackle difficult (understatement!) and opposite views. Grateful to both of you.
Noam thinks it would be bad for Jews to live in a democratic state alongside a Muslim majority, and he is probably right, but it seems like he would denounce someone making the same argument in a western nation as a racist.
Darryl does need to move beyond it though, it’s too in conflict with what his actual product is (I.e. nuanced understanding of the viewpoints of everyone involved in a story).
One of the best podcasts I’ve listened to. I know the history and have independently listened to both of you before you crossed paths Imagine if we lived in a world with a media that presented differing world views in such a respectful manner? I’m not sure if it’s possible… but I would love to hear you both do a podcast series, where you look at historical events and discuss various perspectives It’s the respect that you show to each other that shines through The differences in your backgrounds just adds to the chemistry The few things that Darryl shared about his upbringing really struck me I’m not sure if it’s possible? But… more of you two please!!
Noam, as a fellow Jews, you'd benefit from learning more about Judaism for the next convo. Because many of Darryl's views of the "old testament" are Christian. Many sections of Isiah and others have their own Jewish interpretations that conflict with Christian, for instance.
There is wisdom here. These are two profound men having a real conversation. I really wish this becomes a series. I would pay for every podcast these two drop together
14:05 Norm “This is not a dummy we're talking about this is perhaps one of the top 10 most insightful people that's ever walked the face of the Earth. So we can't really just easily cut him a time and place excuse even within his time and place because he wasn't of his time and place mentally. He was superhuman when it came to insight. He saw insight around corners” 🎯 “and he had this huge blind spot when it came to the Jews” 🤔 “and that's best explained by antisemitism” 😕
btw: it's very strange for so many commenters here wanting to cancel Cooper. I suppose "they" wanted to cancel Pape, Morris and Finkelstein, yet each brought out some truth or dispelled some Israeli myths/outright lies. Were they "anti-Semitic" as well? Let Cooper give us detailed explanations of what he and his "identity" want, canceling him just breeds more (and more extreme versions) of what everyone's afraid of.
Thanks Noam for doing this. I think this episode is a great example of people coming from different perspectives with respect for the other’s viewpoints. Really great discussion.
Ta Nehisi is a fair minded person: he publishes one book to see the world through Palestinian eyes (and he is vilified) while there are thousands of books, hundreds of documentaries, endless air time in MSM in the past 70 years for the Israeli side. He is right when he says that the living experience of Palestinians under Israeli occupation is simply not known in the US because of this. Yet Norm dares to claim that he is not fair minded but of course the Israeli supporters with all that coverage are....
There's of course much to chew on here, but a few comments: 1. It's reassuring that Darryl does indeed see that Britain's WWII policy was a function of its long-standing imperial policy rather occluded, malign Jewish influence. I take him at his word that he doesn't do interviews much and can talk off the cuff in a way that emphasizes provocation over his true views. Nonetheless, it is regretful that millions of people will have seen that Tucker interview who are primed for "secret, forbidden" explanations of events and will come away believing Churchill wrecked the West at the behest of his Jewish puppet-masters, which is wrong on a few levels. I get that Darryl is in the process of working on a long WWII project so he doesn't have his full views formed yet, but perhaps it would be good if he came out on his blog and said, "my working hypothesis, which is subject to change, is long-standing British policy (along with German behavior, and a host of other actors) is what led to WWII, rather than a couple of Jewish bankers pulling Churchill's strings, which I implied on Tucker." 2. His idea about the true definition of a martyr being someone who doesn't die for their beliefs but stands up to the mob and the social consequences that entails, is powerful.
It will be interesting to see how DC responds when he realizes he cannot get too close to truth without being punished. For such a smart guy he doesn't seem like he has much of a plan and will likely end up reviled by all.
Has this host disabused himself of his fellow travelers like Destiny who were gleeful when Trump was nearly assassinated and some supporters were killed or wounded? The idea of condeming someone for people they are associated with is ridiculous. Just intellectual dishonesty. The world is going to hell in a handbasket for sure
I'm a fan of comedian/pundit Dave Smith since his earliest YKWD appearances; fan of Cooper for his podcasts (particularly the Israel-Palestine one, which to me seems like the most balanced and honest account of the conflict I've ever heard in almost 60 years), fan of comedy in general and admire Noam (but admit I don't follow him as much). First, I think it's important for Noam or others to ask, as Noam did here, what Cooper wants or envisions as a working political system, what is important to him and what's up with the things that seem like they could be support or dog whistles for neo-N-zis. I'm also a long time follower of James Lindsay and some of his circle who are calling out the "Woke Right." I'm still trying to weigh the evidence on those accusations. Some of those accusations, I believe from listening to many sides, are hyperbolic or misattributions to some intent. Side note: the Paris Olympics opening spectacle was convincingly explained by Matthew Ehret of not a mockery of the Last Supper, but an acting out of some pagan/Dionysian party (this is why the blue guy was there, he was playing the character of Dionysus). Now, that does not mean that the woke people who performed this show didn't want spectators to MISTAKE it for the Last Supper as a provocation, but those interested should check it out. Also this doesn't mean that those behind the spectacle and the woke are not pushing for some kind of gnostic-Hermetic cult society (see Lisa Logan, Clint Chavarria or Lindsay's work on Theosophy in the UN). That said, Chavarria and Lindsay are calling out Cooper, Auron MacIntyre, or others primarily because the sources that some of these podcasters use have metaphysical sourcing from Nietzsche, Hegel, Kant, Rousseau or Gentile, Schmitt or Heidegger on back to the Pythagoreans and the Orphic Cult. It can be reduced down to those who believe "Reality/Creation exists objectively, not subjectively, and separately from the divine" are consistent with Classical Liberalism as opposed to thinkers who suggest we can transcend and become God. Those who suggest we get our existence/reality/purpose from a collective community, the State, kinship, Volk, etc. are closer to or are Fascists (who are and always were Socialists - for the proof on this see YT'er Tik, especially his recent mapping of ideologies). Those being called "Woke Right" are reading Evola, Schmitt, Heidegger, Gentile and others for the rationale that includes a mystical or esoteric (gnostic-Hermetic) formulation for man's transcendence. Cooper has said in other interviews that he eschews the Schmittian "Us vs. Them" power dynamics but is more about "Identity" (identity politics, thus woke) and what seems to be a Localism where people should live in line with local Parish culture of maybe 100 years ago. Side note 2: Fascism was not anti-Semitic in it's conception. Mussolini had a Jewish mistress for 20+ years, Gentile thought racism, including anti-Semitism was at odds with his Fascism and Mussolini had tens of thousands of Jewish Fascists in Italy (and we know from Cooper that Jabotinsky took his militia ideas from the Italian Black Shirts), and Mussolini was against deporting Jews until they got in with the N-zis. I'm not a fan or proponent of Fascism, just trying to make the distinction between what people call Fascism and what Gentile and Mussolini were after. I still want Cooper to keep talking, keep explaining if necessary, however some of his views and enthusiastic announcements (e.g. for Pete Quinones or Thomas777) are perplexing.
The Olympics piece was literally entitled 'The Last Supper'. Two of the participants have openly stated in interviews that this was the intention. Yes, it was also a play on a painting of Dionysius, but that painting was itself a play on the painting of the Last Supper!
I admire your patience. I come away with the impression he wants to be a good person (live at peace withhimself), and essentially just can't be honest about his bias. His life experience just can not inform every world conflict. He has not disabused me of the impression that fundamentally he is antisemitic. It comes across as his antisemitism being inconvenient, but essentially just unavoidable.
My real take, and the reason he comes off as both angry at Churchill and annoyed with Jews, seems to be that he is a localist who does not like others taking advantage of his country. Didn’t like Churchill relying on the Americans to fight his war and doesn’t like the Zionists relying on the US to back up their actions. If you listen to his Israel-Palestinian podcast, he obviously has a ton of respect for the Jews and the fact they have maintained a coherent community against all odds, which is what Darryl prizes above all else, so I’m not sure anti-Semitic is exactly the right description.
Thank you for the interview, it’s great to see people who hold opposing views discussing forcefully but with civility. But imagine Christian podcasters in Israel subjecting Jewish commentators to struggle sessions because of their political and religious views and not thinking there’s something strange going on.
It's simply not true that Jews were not allowed to farm. It's a common claim, but ultimately false. Several monarchs and other leaders gave Jews farm equipment in order for them to work the land, but in every case they sold the equipment and used the money for speculation or other business dealings. The Jewish aversion to manual labour is a real problem, because the fact is, somebody has to do it. The only conclusion I can come to is that Jews see non-Jews as something akin to slave labour. And indeed, their belief is that when their "Messiah" arrives, they will each get thousands (2,300 if I recall correctly) non-Jewish slaves.
1. He is all for fascism, so long as it’s his kind of fascism. 2. He is completely unaware of how the emergence of nation states, and Russian pogroms in 1881 & 1882, were arguably the largest contributors to Zism. 3. Hungarian ethnostate good. Jish ethnostate bad unless someone points out his hypocrisy. 4. Dostoevsky was a genius, yet completely unaware of the writings of Johann Jacoby or Heinrich Heine. He can’t be an antisemite because he was a man of his time during a time when many were advocating for Jish emancipation.
On point 2 - listen to the first 20 minutes of his Israel series. It takes us inside the horror of pogroms in a way that I haven't experienced before and explicitly uses that as an explanation for what is to come.
I am not trying to spout any conspiracy theories here. What the heck are his hand movements holding his palm out wide the whole time. Have you ever seen someone speak like that before?
noam's jewish whininess and double-standards are insufferable. he can't stop his pathetic reflex of searching for 'antisemitism' and playing the guilt-by-(imaginary)-association card. it's this attitude that contributes to gentile suspicion and animosity towards jews. still dig his show and think he's kinda funny. thanks for the podcast.
Noam seems to have a need to convince those who are not totally on the side of Israel, to his point of view. One example is Professor Norman Finkelstein.
Noam is not interested in truth - he is grinding an axe and refuses to see the nuances of history and the truth within the tragedy of the world. Darryl should stand up more aggresively to Noam's attacks. Gave this a thumbs down because of the annoying host.
Is this guy a comic? He's quick with a wag of the finger but what do you expect from the chosen people. 1% of the population, 70% of corporate board members.
Hi Noam. I really love your podcasts. However, this guy clearly has misconceptions of Judaism. I am an orthodox Jew. I think it's time to get on a rabbi. A real rabbi. One that knows the talmud. An orthodox rabbi. You'll appreciate it as well. Have on someone like rabbi Yitzchak breitowitz. If not then rabbi adlerstein or rabbi shnayor Burton. They know the talmud well.
Darryl Cooper is so reluctant to tell his antisemitic fans that antisemitism is abhorrent. He claims this is because he can be a voice of reason for them. I don’t buy it. Cooper thinks some forms of antisemitism are permissible or well-reasoned. He describes Dostoevsky’s antisemitism as something emanating from “social conflict” between groups. I agree with Noam that the combination of Cooper’s various positions on Jews and hatred of Jews makes it sure seem like he is an antisemite. Why would Cooper downplay the Holocaust in the Tucker interview and follow-up tweets by implying the Jews slaughtered were POWs, or somehow the Nazis were being humane by killing millions of Jews to supposedly save them from starvation? Why does Cooper repeat claims by David Irving? Why does Cooper talk about Jewish financiers? Why does Cooper use the term “The Jewish Problem” without quotation marks? Why does Cooper care to point out how many Biden cabinet members are Jewish? I have listened to many hours of Cooper’s podcast and used to be a fan, but I truly believe he is engaging in antisemitism. Noam did a masterful job with this interview, I found it very interesting.
This guy is a manipulator who will say anything that his audience wants to hear. No question about it. I shudder thinking about the kind of stories he has told.
Interview part 2 starts at 5:52
This should be the top comment! What a weird edit mid sentence. Makes me wonder if norm is trying to hide something with these edits where most of them are irrelevant like this one, and then maybe there’s one where he edits something out or in on purpose and no one notices because of the many other irrelevant edits.
Watching 2nd time after listening to fear and loathing 25+hours of the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict from Daryl's podcast
Noam kind of gets lost when the Hungary/nationalism idea comes up. I mean at that point, if you're going to cast aspersions on Cooper for his position there, you kind of lose any ability to defend Israel as a Jewish state.
Not to mention, Israel was sterilizing the non-white/middle eastern Jewish population within Israel. Obviously that means they were accepting immigrant workers who believed they were Jewish and then destroying their futures in order to maintain their ethnic majority. Its kind of crazy when you think about it. Imagine if Black people were imported into the US and identified with it, and then their futures were taken away from them in the form of sterilization in order to maintain a white America. You are right on the bullseye of the hypocrisy. I dont think we can have honest conversations about these things because it leads down a dark path and that might be tough for peopke
I dont know if the host is aware of this (I'm assuming not because thats the most charitable interpretation) but his long "questions" aren't really questions. They are veiled attacks on the orher persons character.
He does say things like "I'd love to give you the chance to respond, i want you to tell me where I'm wrong" etc but that's the veil that covers what he's really doing. Maybe he thinks that's how you should approach discussions on difficult topics, i don't know but it's not a functional dynamic.
That is the point. Darryl is kind of on trial following the Tucker thing (and also his history of shitty tweets), and Noam is giving him an opportunity to address a bunch of the allegations this has raised against him and is trying to do it in a firm but fair manner so that it will have some credibility with people who automatically discount Darryl.
I’m a big martyrmade fan, but it’s good for Darryl to have to explain himself. He’s getting too big for the kind of shitposting he historically enjoys, especially because his podcast is based around its nuance and attempt to understand the point of view of everyone in the story.
Darryl seems to get it and be happy with the opportunity.
Im a fan of Daryl’s podcast on Israel/palestine. He’s a thoughtful deep thinker, empathetic, and unafraid. He absolutely belongs in the conversation and I hope to see more of him!
Empathetic isnt quite the word i would asign to a neonazi.
& how do you feel when peoe assign the words baby killers to Zionists that you may consider righteous?
@@IsomerSoma Cry about it
@@IsomerSoma I know you don't care but you have no idea what you're talking about. In this moment all you are inhabiting is the role of a low IQ street thug going after somebody who is wearing the wrong gang's colors or something. You are a mindless tool and nobody should take you seriously.
Great convo. Darryl doesn’t deserve the hate he’s been getting.
You're a bit gullible.
@@ScottishAtheistyou're silly
He really doesn’t, but he does have to grow up past the shitposting mentality he has engaged in outside of his podcast.
@@asmith587 That is by far the most fair and on-point criticism of Cooper that I've seen in the past couple months since his Tucker interview. I don't think he'd even disagree with you. That of course doesn't absolve the people who selectively pick out things or speak out of ignorance about him.
Hearing the host talk out loud about wether he would give Jefferson a "pass" for owning slaves made me realise the different ways people think about these things.
I think the way Darryl does about it, maybe it is a Christian thing. There are no monsters, just people and sitting in judgment of others is a silly game. (The idea of "giving people a pass" is incredibly superficial and insufficient when you're approaching these topics).
I suppose the difference is, are you playing the game of trying to understand or are you playing the game of trying to be the most morally pure person in the room.
The understanding game is real and can actually change things for the better. The other game is just a slightly more sophisticated version of chimp tribes throwing feces at each other. I mean, its fun, i get it but it doesn't really get you anywhere.
I think the bigger problem with not discussing and understanding issues, whether you agree or not, is that you make those issues bigger than they originally were. Over time, facts are lost and biased narratives take their place.
Yeah him calling Dostoyevsky "evil" was rather astounding.
Darryl Cooper has compassion and empathy for others.
Interviewer is unable to grasp the big picture of what Daryl postulates, over and over. Right over his head. "But... but.... that's antisemitic!"
I’m just a 20 something Irish Catholic guy in Boston trying to understand the world and I really appreciate the honesty and integrity of both of you ❤️
This blew my mind. I want to give Darryl Cooper the benefit of doubt because of how much I like his podcast. I think Daryl Cooper lives his life without hiding very much and it may get him into trouble. But he's not lying or hiding something. Most of us hide an awful lot to show people how virtuous we are. I'm not accusing anything he may have done that he's offensive or damaging, only saying that everyone was as open as I think he may be we would be as offensive and damaging or more so.
Dostoevsky's major thesis in that essay is that Jews for a "state within the state." Similar theme found in Philo's "Against Flaccus" 2,000 years ago. Demands real consideration.
Noam’s audience, based on their comments, seem to be close-minded, biased and not receptive to points of view that differ from theirs.
A beautiful podcast. A rare and uplifting demonstration of good men brave enough to tackle difficult (understatement!) and opposite views. Grateful to both of you.
Noam thinks it would be bad for Jews to live in a democratic state alongside a Muslim majority, and he is probably right, but it seems like he would denounce someone making the same argument in a western nation as a racist.
Indeed. Hmm, I wonder why his people have been so consistently disliked? A real headscratcher!
Explaining internet shitposting to boomers is impossible. The problem is we don't believe in progress like the moralizing Noam does.
Darryl does need to move beyond it though, it’s too in conflict with what his actual product is (I.e. nuanced understanding of the viewpoints of everyone involved in a story).
One of the best podcasts I’ve listened to.
I know the history and have independently listened to both of you before you crossed paths
Imagine if we lived in a world with a media that presented differing world views in such a respectful manner?
I’m not sure if it’s possible… but I would love to hear you both do a podcast series, where you look at historical events and discuss various perspectives
It’s the respect that you show to each other that shines through
The differences in your backgrounds just adds to the chemistry
The few things that Darryl shared about his upbringing really struck me
I’m not sure if it’s possible?
But… more of you two please!!
Noam, as a fellow Jews, you'd benefit from learning more about Judaism for the next convo. Because many of Darryl's views of the "old testament" are Christian. Many sections of Isiah and others have their own Jewish interpretations that conflict with Christian, for instance.
A homeland for a people = Ethno-state
Yeah, Noam was a bit whiney on that one.
Is Japan an ethnostate?
There is wisdom here. These are two profound men having a real conversation. I really wish this becomes a series. I would pay for every podcast these two drop together
14:05 Norm “This is not a dummy we're talking about this is perhaps one of the top 10 most insightful people that's ever walked the face of the Earth. So we can't really just easily cut him a time and place excuse even within his time and place because he wasn't of his time and place mentally. He was superhuman when it came to insight. He saw insight around corners” 🎯
“and he had this huge blind spot when it came to the Jews” 🤔
“and that's best explained by antisemitism” 😕
Daryls interview with Greg Johnson was great ngl. Always wished he continued that project to interview more on the radical side of politics
btw: it's very strange for so many commenters here wanting to cancel Cooper. I suppose "they" wanted to cancel Pape, Morris and Finkelstein, yet each brought out some truth or dispelled some Israeli myths/outright lies. Were they "anti-Semitic" as well? Let Cooper give us detailed explanations of what he and his "identity" want, canceling him just breeds more (and more extreme versions) of what everyone's afraid of.
I enjoyed the conversation
1:09:57 Is this Israeli exceptionalism? Dors Noam think Israelis are the only group to form an ethnostate for protection?
❤ Darryl
Why doesn’t the Armenian genocide get as much attention?
cuz Armenians don’t run all our media
Is this not a repeat of part 1?
No
@@comedycellarclips the first five minutes are
I wasn’t expecting to get verklempt at the end of this video, gosh. ❤
Thanks Noam for doing this. I think this episode is a great example of people coming from different perspectives with respect for the other’s viewpoints. Really great discussion.
Ta Nehisi is a fair minded person: he publishes one book to see the world through Palestinian eyes (and he is vilified) while there are thousands of books, hundreds of documentaries, endless air time in MSM in the past 70 years for the Israeli side. He is right when he says that the living experience of Palestinians under Israeli occupation is simply not known in the US because of this. Yet Norm dares to claim that he is not fair minded but of course the Israeli supporters with all that coverage are....
Even better than part 1! Bravo!
This is the same video?
There's of course much to chew on here, but a few comments:
1. It's reassuring that Darryl does indeed see that Britain's WWII policy was a function of its long-standing imperial policy rather occluded, malign Jewish influence. I take him at his word that he doesn't do interviews much and can talk off the cuff in a way that emphasizes provocation over his true views. Nonetheless, it is regretful that millions of people will have seen that Tucker interview who are primed for "secret, forbidden" explanations of events and will come away believing Churchill wrecked the West at the behest of his Jewish puppet-masters, which is wrong on a few levels. I get that Darryl is in the process of working on a long WWII project so he doesn't have his full views formed yet, but perhaps it would be good if he came out on his blog and said, "my working hypothesis, which is subject to change, is long-standing British policy (along with German behavior, and a host of other actors) is what led to WWII, rather than a couple of Jewish bankers pulling Churchill's strings, which I implied on Tucker."
2. His idea about the true definition of a martyr being someone who doesn't die for their beliefs but stands up to the mob and the social consequences that entails, is powerful.
I am looking forward to him hosting Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pappé, Gideon Levy.
It will be interesting to see how DC responds when he realizes he cannot get too close to truth without being punished. For such a smart guy he doesn't seem like he has much of a plan and will likely end up reviled by all.
Uh-oh Darryl is being forced to go through The Ordeal of Civility
The 🕎 tribe "ethno-state for me, but not for thee" 😈
I’m not sure what to think of this but it was interesting
Ok my initial thoughts on DC have changed.
Where are the links to part one?
Keep talking, dudes.
Great interview.
Has this host disabused himself of his fellow travelers like Destiny who were gleeful when Trump was nearly assassinated and some supporters were killed or wounded? The idea of condeming someone for people they are associated with is ridiculous. Just intellectual dishonesty. The world is going to hell in a handbasket for sure
I'm a fan of comedian/pundit Dave Smith since his earliest YKWD appearances; fan of Cooper for his podcasts (particularly the Israel-Palestine one, which to me seems like the most balanced and honest account of the conflict I've ever heard in almost 60 years), fan of comedy in general and admire Noam (but admit I don't follow him as much). First, I think it's important for Noam or others to ask, as Noam did here, what Cooper wants or envisions as a working political system, what is important to him and what's up with the things that seem like they could be support or dog whistles for neo-N-zis. I'm also a long time follower of James Lindsay and some of his circle who are calling out the "Woke Right." I'm still trying to weigh the evidence on those accusations. Some of those accusations, I believe from listening to many sides, are hyperbolic or misattributions to some intent. Side note: the Paris Olympics opening spectacle was convincingly explained by Matthew Ehret of not a mockery of the Last Supper, but an acting out of some pagan/Dionysian party (this is why the blue guy was there, he was playing the character of Dionysus). Now, that does not mean that the woke people who performed this show didn't want spectators to MISTAKE it for the Last Supper as a provocation, but those interested should check it out. Also this doesn't mean that those behind the spectacle and the woke are not pushing for some kind of gnostic-Hermetic cult society (see Lisa Logan, Clint Chavarria or Lindsay's work on Theosophy in the UN). That said, Chavarria and Lindsay are calling out Cooper, Auron MacIntyre, or others primarily because the sources that some of these podcasters use have metaphysical sourcing from Nietzsche, Hegel, Kant, Rousseau or Gentile, Schmitt or Heidegger on back to the Pythagoreans and the Orphic Cult. It can be reduced down to those who believe "Reality/Creation exists objectively, not subjectively, and separately from the divine" are consistent with Classical Liberalism as opposed to thinkers who suggest we can transcend and become God. Those who suggest we get our existence/reality/purpose from a collective community, the State, kinship, Volk, etc. are closer to or are Fascists (who are and always were Socialists - for the proof on this see YT'er Tik, especially his recent mapping of ideologies). Those being called "Woke Right" are reading Evola, Schmitt, Heidegger, Gentile and others for the rationale that includes a mystical or esoteric (gnostic-Hermetic) formulation for man's transcendence. Cooper has said in other interviews that he eschews the Schmittian "Us vs. Them" power dynamics but is more about "Identity" (identity politics, thus woke) and what seems to be a Localism where people should live in line with local Parish culture of maybe 100 years ago. Side note 2: Fascism was not anti-Semitic in it's conception. Mussolini had a Jewish mistress for 20+ years, Gentile thought racism, including anti-Semitism was at odds with his Fascism and Mussolini had tens of thousands of Jewish Fascists in Italy (and we know from Cooper that Jabotinsky took his militia ideas from the Italian Black Shirts), and Mussolini was against deporting Jews until they got in with the N-zis. I'm not a fan or proponent of Fascism, just trying to make the distinction between what people call Fascism and what Gentile and Mussolini were after. I still want Cooper to keep talking, keep explaining if necessary, however some of his views and enthusiastic announcements (e.g. for Pete Quinones or Thomas777) are perplexing.
The Olympics piece was literally entitled 'The Last Supper'. Two of the participants have openly stated in interviews that this was the intention. Yes, it was also a play on a painting of Dionysius, but that painting was itself a play on the painting of the Last Supper!
I admire your patience.
I come away with the impression he wants to be a good person (live at peace withhimself), and essentially just can't be honest about his bias.
His life experience just can not inform every world conflict.
He has not disabused me of the impression that fundamentally he is antisemitic.
It comes across as his antisemitism being inconvenient, but essentially just unavoidable.
Very few can be honest about their bias .
It is unavoidable. And it’s not the gentiles fault.
My real take, and the reason he comes off as both angry at Churchill and annoyed with Jews, seems to be that he is a localist who does not like others taking advantage of his country. Didn’t like Churchill relying on the Americans to fight his war and doesn’t like the Zionists relying on the US to back up their actions. If you listen to his Israel-Palestinian podcast, he obviously has a ton of respect for the Jews and the fact they have maintained a coherent community against all odds, which is what Darryl prizes above all else, so I’m not sure anti-Semitic is exactly the right description.
Great convo.
34:22 It's almost as if there were two or three simultaneous wars.
Thank you for the interview, it’s great to see people who hold opposing views discussing forcefully but with civility. But imagine Christian podcasters in Israel subjecting Jewish commentators to struggle sessions because of their political and religious views and not thinking there’s something strange going on.
This is a crooss examination. Not an interview
Who looks comfortable in their own skin? It’s obvious from a casual look.
Can give it out - but can’t take it! Haha
It's simply not true that Jews were not allowed to farm. It's a common claim, but ultimately false. Several monarchs and other leaders gave Jews farm equipment in order for them to work the land, but in every case they sold the equipment and used the money for speculation or other business dealings. The Jewish aversion to manual labour is a real problem, because the fact is, somebody has to do it. The only conclusion I can come to is that Jews see non-Jews as something akin to slave labour. And indeed, their belief is that when their "Messiah" arrives, they will each get thousands (2,300 if I recall correctly) non-Jewish slaves.
32:57 Apparently, all Germans were Hitler's brothers.
1. He is all for fascism, so long as it’s his kind of fascism.
2. He is completely unaware of how the emergence of nation states, and Russian pogroms in 1881 & 1882, were arguably the largest contributors to Zism.
3. Hungarian ethnostate good. Jish ethnostate bad unless someone points out his hypocrisy.
4. Dostoevsky was a genius, yet completely unaware of the writings of Johann Jacoby or Heinrich Heine. He can’t be an antisemite because he was a man of his time during a time when many were advocating for Jish emancipation.
On point 2 - listen to the first 20 minutes of his Israel series. It takes us inside the horror of pogroms in a way that I haven't experienced before and explicitly uses that as an explanation for what is to come.
Why should he “walk anything back?”
I am not trying to spout any conspiracy theories here. What the heck are his hand movements holding his palm out wide the whole time. Have you ever seen someone speak like that before?
If you want an ethnostate try not to have it on stolen land which you have ethnically cleansed of the indigenous owners.
noam's jewish whininess and double-standards are insufferable. he can't stop his pathetic reflex of searching for 'antisemitism' and playing the guilt-by-(imaginary)-association card. it's this attitude that contributes to gentile suspicion and animosity towards jews. still dig his show and think he's kinda funny. thanks for the podcast.
Noam seems to have a need to convince those who are not totally on the side of Israel, to his point of view.
One example is Professor Norman Finkelstein.
"not totally"
Why doesn’t Darryl need to be worn down? He doesn’t .
Cooper is sneaky with his words. His vibe is a bit creepy and disingenuous.
It's all about the vibes bro
Totally.
Noam is not interested in truth - he is grinding an axe and refuses to see the nuances of history and the truth within the tragedy of the world. Darryl should stand up more aggresively to Noam's attacks. Gave this a thumbs down because of the annoying host.
I get the impression that he's holding back his racism, too. But oddly enough, he's quite likeable.
Judea declares war on martyr made!
good luck Yehud
Yikes.
Is this guy a comic? He's quick with a wag of the finger but what do you expect from the chosen people. 1% of the population, 70% of corporate board members.
Comedy?/?
Only Joking?/?
Damn I just found and sort of liked this channel. And within hours I find he is giving credibility to this Nazi.
Just can’t let me be happy, man
Guarantee this guy gets off the zoom with Noam and mutters anti semitic stuff.
as he should
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I would have put a point against him for going on Tucker Carlson's show and not despising Tucker :)
Of course, he won't despise tucker. Birds of a feather, stick together.
Otherwise he is impeccable ?
@@user-pq7jj3vs3e , if you believe a white, christian nationalist is impeccable, than he is impeccable.
Darryl Cooper is an object study in why the term "fascist intellectual" is an oxymoron.
Hi Noam. I really love your podcasts. However, this guy clearly has misconceptions of Judaism. I am an orthodox Jew. I think it's time to get on a rabbi. A real rabbi. One that knows the talmud. An orthodox rabbi. You'll appreciate it as well. Have on someone like rabbi Yitzchak breitowitz. If not then rabbi adlerstein or rabbi shnayor Burton. They know the talmud well.
Darryl is like a worm on a frying pan.
Darryl Cooper is so reluctant to tell his antisemitic fans that antisemitism is abhorrent. He claims this is because he can be a voice of reason for them. I don’t buy it. Cooper thinks some forms of antisemitism are permissible or well-reasoned. He describes Dostoevsky’s antisemitism as something emanating from “social conflict” between groups. I agree with Noam that the combination of Cooper’s various positions on Jews and hatred of Jews makes it sure seem like he is an antisemite. Why would Cooper downplay the Holocaust in the Tucker interview and follow-up tweets by implying the Jews slaughtered were POWs, or somehow the Nazis were being humane by killing millions of Jews to supposedly save them from starvation? Why does Cooper repeat claims by David Irving? Why does Cooper talk about Jewish financiers? Why does Cooper use the term “The Jewish Problem” without quotation marks? Why does Cooper care to point out how many Biden cabinet members are Jewish? I have listened to many hours of Cooper’s podcast and used to be a fan, but I truly believe he is engaging in antisemitism. Noam did a masterful job with this interview, I found it very interesting.
This guy is a manipulator who will say anything that his audience wants to hear.
No question about it.
I shudder thinking about the kind of stories he has told.
Are you commenting in the third person?
Palestine will soon be free!