I taught in the state sector for 37 years. I did all my preparation and marking at the end of the school day, almost all at home in ‘my’ time. This was for the very simple reason that the few free periods one had on the timetable were used for seeing students, covering for colleagues, doing admin etc. The end result, a sixty hour six day week, albeit for around forty weeks of the year. Flexible working of this kind was the norm. The idea that all prep and marking can done in the school day is laughable.
I Reid an article a few months ago in the telegraph. Many teachers who teach adolescent pupils were too frightened to go into school and do their job because the pupils were too violent towards them. Even many teachers. Resigning from their jobs because of the violent behaviour of their pupils.
There is rarely "not enough teachers to go round" at most public schools. Not only do they have the best infrastructure and the best indoor and outdoor facilities, but also the best teachers.
My husband and I took on my work hours, just so our children could attend a private school. We picked the school where the average teacher had been there for 20+ years. The teachers were allowed great freedom, in a sane size classroom, and to tailor each lesson for each child. My one daughter was good at math, so was allowed to take math with an older group. The other child had trouble reading, so as parents we met with the teacher once a month, and learned good ways to help her at home. Mainly, the children and teachers enjoyed the school. Also the staff was 90% teachers, and 10% support staff. At the public school, each guidance counselor has a staff of 4, the teacher in their classrooms have 4-5 clsses a day, size 25+, and up to 10 students with special educational needs. Which. have to be ignored as the teacher can not be expected to keep them all straight. The staff that has little or no contact with students is equal to the number of teachers, who would love an assistant.
Flexible working means just that - it means that the schools can’t have unlawful policies and management can be held accountable - it’s a good thing Prof Tim - some managers are jobsworths- now they have to allow flexibility
Here is an idea. The school should teak a leaf out fo the book of investment banking. The idea is you pay them bonuses for performance, so if a teacher scores 100% and does not take off any unscheduled days then they get the full cash bonus. Then sit back and watch punctuality drastically improve, especially if the bonus is a fair bit. You would get most of that cash back on the saving in agency fees and the general cost of disruption.
maybe take it out of the 12 weeks they get off per year. and dont be giving me any poorly paid nonsense, I got nearly £20 an hour for part time lecturing at college 25 years ago.
I completely agree. My wife & I have 40years of teaching between us & we finally left because we worked (marking/preparing) evenings and the best part of Saturday & Sunday. We loved our jobs but it was a slow process of being demoralised and being undervalued. Also get rid of ofsted, it is a tick box exercise crafty leaders can exploit but adds nothing to children’s development.
This is a nonsense suggestion. A main scale teacher has a timetable of 21 out of 25 lessons with after school clubs etc. Going home for an hour when you have a free period? 4 day week is the way forward
What you say is compelling. By the mid seventies, the first generation of comprehensively schooled individuals was arriving back in schools as trained teachers. The impact was immediate, by the end of the seventies they had destroyed UK education. By the start of this century, home schooling was the only option left for people of limited means, so we dispensed altogether with professional teachers and gave our kids a DIY education. My advice, when the schools are crap, take them out and educate your kids in the public houses, buying books from oxfam as we did. btw: this might not be for everybody, since I have more qualifications than I can shake a stick at.
I taught for 33 years as a mathematics and chemistry teacher, and on this issue, I highly disagree with you.I did alll my correction report writing ,examinstions correction ,on weeknights and weekends ,at home ,my free time .
Quite a few jobs have an element of preparing for the next day, not just teaching. No reason why preparing for the next day needs to be done in the workplace
I don't think most mothers should work. My mother was a teacher and I felt deprived of maternal care throught my childhood. She cared more about her career, sslary and status than me. I see lots of flaws in teacher training and chose not to be one. I agree teachers have it hard nowadays. I have taught some subjects znd got promoted by recommendation of one of my pupils. But I don't think mothers should work in the first place because of family responsibilities to young znd the frail old in the families. The fourth commandment springs to mind. I have yet to see a career woman who is also a mother not neglect her family in some way. Something has to go. I don't like teachers teaching childcare because it should be the mothers' role or that of the health authorities. One teacher was misinforming about infant feeding and I ended up demonstrating it and answering the students' questions. I don't like teachers teaching what I call family matters because you are eroding the roles of parents and that is wrong. Teachers should just teach the usual subjects. They don't know everything.i heard of a school that taught banking.! I am sure a Jewish, Christian, and Muslim bankers would have different perspectives. and which is right?
I taught in the state sector for 37 years. I did all my preparation and marking at the end of the school day, almost all at home in ‘my’ time. This was for the very simple reason that the few free periods one had on the timetable were used for seeing students, covering for colleagues, doing admin etc. The end result, a sixty hour six day week, albeit for around forty weeks of the year. Flexible working of this kind was the norm. The idea that all prep and marking can done in the school day is laughable.
Agree, but they don't prep these days. Standard woke brainwashing curriculum now.
absolutely
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Yes, my experience was the same.
I Reid an article a few months ago in the telegraph. Many teachers who teach adolescent pupils were too frightened to go into school and do their job because the pupils were too violent towards them. Even many teachers. Resigning from their jobs because of the violent behaviour of their pupils.
it's not the pupils- its the management that is so unpleasant
There is rarely "not enough teachers to go round" at most public schools.
Not only do they have the best infrastructure and the best indoor and outdoor facilities, but also the best teachers.
Teaching is a laughable concept nowadays.
Just Self Esteem Clinicians now.
My husband and I took on my work hours, just so our children could attend a private school. We picked the school where the average teacher had been there for 20+ years. The teachers were allowed great freedom, in a sane size classroom, and to tailor each lesson for each child. My one daughter was good at math, so was allowed to take math with an older group. The other child had trouble reading, so as parents we met with the teacher once a month, and learned good ways to help her at home. Mainly, the children and teachers enjoyed the school. Also the staff was 90% teachers, and 10% support staff. At the public school, each guidance counselor has a staff of 4, the teacher in their classrooms have 4-5 clsses a day, size 25+, and up to 10 students with special educational needs. Which. have to be ignored as the teacher can not be expected to keep them all straight. The staff that has little or no contact with students is equal to the number of teachers, who would love an assistant.
Flexible working means just that - it means that the schools can’t have unlawful policies and management can be held accountable - it’s a good thing Prof Tim - some managers are jobsworths- now they have to allow flexibility
This is a symptom of the country becoming poorer.
Here is an idea. The school should teak a leaf out fo the book of investment banking. The idea is you pay them bonuses for performance, so if a teacher scores 100% and does not take off any unscheduled days then they get the full cash bonus. Then sit back and watch punctuality drastically improve, especially if the bonus is a fair bit. You would get most of that cash back on the saving in agency fees and the general cost of disruption.
All the homework they have to check there is no payment for that time
maybe take it out of the 12 weeks they get off per year. and dont be giving me any poorly paid nonsense, I got nearly £20 an hour for part time lecturing at college 25 years ago.
I completely agree. My wife & I have 40years of teaching between us & we finally left because we worked (marking/preparing) evenings and the best part of Saturday & Sunday. We loved our jobs but it was a slow process of being demoralised and being undervalued. Also get rid of ofsted, it is a tick box exercise crafty leaders can exploit but adds nothing to children’s development.
This is about edging to a 4-day working week. Labour have got form for this.
its about time. Come on Labour
This is a nonsense suggestion. A main scale teacher has a timetable of 21 out of 25 lessons with after school clubs etc. Going home for an hour when you have a free period? 4 day week is the way forward
What you say is compelling. By the mid seventies, the first generation of comprehensively schooled individuals was arriving back in schools as trained teachers. The impact was immediate, by the end of the seventies they had destroyed UK education. By the start of this century, home schooling was the only option left for people of limited means, so we dispensed altogether with professional teachers and gave our kids a DIY education. My advice, when the schools are crap, take them out and educate your kids in the public houses, buying books from oxfam as we did.
btw: this might not be for everybody, since I have more qualifications than I can shake a stick at.
I taught for 33 years as a mathematics and chemistry teacher, and on this issue, I highly disagree with you.I did alll my correction report writing ,examinstions correction ,on weeknights and weekends ,at home ,my free time .
So true. No one likes this job.
Quite a few jobs have an element of preparing for the next day, not just teaching. No reason why preparing for the next day needs to be done in the workplace
I don't think most mothers should work. My mother was a teacher and I felt deprived of maternal care throught my childhood. She cared more about her career, sslary and status than me. I see lots of flaws in teacher training and chose not to be one. I agree teachers have it hard nowadays. I have taught some subjects znd got promoted by recommendation of one of my pupils. But I don't think mothers should work in the first place because of family responsibilities to young znd the frail old in the families. The fourth commandment springs to mind. I have yet to see a career woman who is also a mother not neglect her family in some way. Something has to go. I don't like teachers teaching childcare because it should be the mothers' role or that of the health authorities. One teacher was misinforming about infant feeding and I ended up demonstrating it and answering the students' questions. I don't like teachers teaching what I call family matters because you are eroding the roles of parents and that is wrong. Teachers should just teach the usual subjects. They don't know everything.i heard of a school that taught banking.! I am sure a Jewish, Christian, and Muslim bankers would have different perspectives. and which is right?