I love me a hobgoblin war wizard (volo's version). You get armor and weapons so you can go full gish, arguably better than a bladesinger. Amd with moderately armored for a shield and medium armor you are actually super tanky. And personally I like int as opposed to charisma. While they are leaders of goblinoids this I feel is largely because unlike the base goblins or bugbears, they actually posess the discipline to form a proper society. I see them as rigid, logical and calculating. The are polite, but stiff, never radiating warmth or friendship. This doesn't represent that same sort of universal force of presence that charisma does and I think might be somewhat offputting to outsiders, especially those of more laid back cultures like halflings and gnomes.
I think you nailed it. There great leaders not because they inspire there troops, there great leaders because they know tactics and war, the win by putting the right people on the right place. Fighting on the right fronts. Volos really shows that with the intelligence bonus.
In the D&D lore, the war god Maglubiyet wiped out most of the goblinoid pantheon, leaving only those that would serve him, and made Hobgoblins specifically his soldiers. What if this is the reason they aren’t benevolent anymore like they were in mythology? Anyway, great video, Hobgoblins are also my favorite.
I've heard that hobgoblin basically means "house goblin" so I like making them members of noble houses in my worlds (even though that wasn't the intent of the folklore). Mechanically they fit the role perfectly
I like that as well. One of my favorite characters to play is a hobgoblin with the noble background because he is the son of his clan's warlord. This means a great deal is expected of him as mere birth afords you nothing, but he is expected to flourish so as not to shame or embarass his father. He is trained in statecraft and even diplomacy as hobgoblins are organized and disciplined enough to know that to win a war it can be incredibly valuable to know how not to pick fights you don't want. And of course he and his siblings adventure to ammas power and resources for the clan to prove themselves worthy of the throne of warlord should their father fall.
There are so many great reasons to love the hobgoblin. There so just awesome. There smart there brutal, they have a code, they show respect, they never accept a harsh word about themselves or there people. I love them I really do. How do you feel about the fae influences there putting on the hobgoblin?
I like hobgoblins old version a lot just never really had a game where i could play as one. Ive been told so many times by dms that i can’t play it for some reason.
I’ve never played a hobgoblin. The fey gift looks like the mastermind rogue’s master of tactics ability. I’m not sure if they can stack but if it does I can see people making hobgoblin mastermind rogues.
Currently using a motmv version of the Hobgoblin as a wizard. In fact, I just used the fortune of the many feature to save my ass on a saving throw last session. Underrated racial choice for PCs. Debating my subclass at the moment. Necromancer or Chrono. Both kind of fit my backstory, and it’s a long term campaign going to lvl 20+. Decisions, decisions…
Personally I’d pick necromancy. Literally cus I would be lying to my self that I would be happy doing anything else. Your a wizard just be smart about what spells your preparing and try and get as much info about the places your about to go so your really on point. When in doubt send a skeleton to trigger the traps.
Having g 10 extra ft in one round is actually quite a big deal if it is your wizard trying to get our of melee range is the attacker and force them to dash to try hitting him again
Cause they’ve been trying to more away from the perceived notion that any race is “inherently Evil”… Not realizing that they can do that AND keep a race’s rich and diverse culture and lore the same.
@@akmi1931 Yeah but it excludes new people to hobby, by making it a little more obvious no race is inherently evil and changing some aspects it opens up more people to the hobby. The real problem is the people who complain and are too narrow minded and want to gatekeep the community. I welcome change, but plenty don't because they fear it for no damn good reason.
I think the reasoning why people don’t want the species to no longer be inherently evil is because the groups no longer look the same. The older you go the parties we’re basically human elf dwarf. And later on you could be other things but it was a big penalty to do so. Now it’s a motley crew of monstrous and uncommon species. I am currently in a party with a half orc an earth genasie a triton a Tiefling a Goliath and a gnome. Not a human or elf has been in that game for ever. I think that’s a big part of it. Cus if the uncommon species are pure evil then you can’t play them, and henceforth your more likely a common species.
Nice guide. Thrashing.out a hobgoblin paladin at the moment, just not quite sure which oath I want him to take. Probably either conqueror or crown, most of the others need some serious backstory work to be explainable. Its an old hobgob, has save face and no fey gift, but not the volo one with the weird int focus (cos he wants to be a wizard/artificer, and by lore they dont like magic much)
This sounds like OLD Hobgoblin. NEW Hobgoblin can use Help action as bonus action number of times equal to your proficiency bonus. On top of that, Fortune of the many can be applied to many situations. Maybe new one is TOO helpful for its own good.
I think aesthetically the hobgoblins are cool but there is no beauty in their society. If they see use in you, its transactional in nature. Hobgoblins see their own kind not as people but as tools, if it breaks or outlives its usefulness its cast aside or shunned. To be honest Hobgoblins are just a reflection of our modern world. If you are disabled, if you don't want to work, you are a waste of resources to be cast aside. Everything is domination and mutual exploitation. The sad part is, people see this as the norm and cannot imagine anything better than this which is why I get annoyed when people start saying "I liked it when orcs and drow were just evil in the first place". Its just lazy worldbuilding and to me a little problematic.
I guess we differ on perspective a little. Not saying your wrong by any means. In fact you are probably more correct than I am. I just see this wonderful beauty to how they define value. It’s not pretty it’s not kind. The fact that your own personal merit can bring about greatness I find almost romantic. So those aspects to me really drawn me into them. They don’t have love but they do have respect and even polite attitudes, they also don’t wish to die in combat, so there is a sense of value in others and one’s self. So maybe there is something that is there version of appreciation and caring that exists. Don’t get me wrong I am more guessing that seeing anything written stating it just me hoping for it.
@@TheSinisterheroes I still think their society is interesting, just for different reasons because according to what you said I see alot of modern parallels. I like the idea of maybe playing as a hobgoblin only to be an outcast and join some clandestine goblinoid organization that seeks to fight back against the injustice and build a better tommorow.
There you go with that mentality you can keep the upbringing you had and use it as your way to enforce your dream. Use that aggressive, brutal upbringing to chase down your dream and conquer it.
If you don’t want to work then you are a waste of resources. People have to work to secure those resources, if you are only taking and not giving then you don’t have a community, you have slaves. In addition, I would say that is your perspective of their society and that doesn’t have to be true, looking at Hobgoblin society they can be a band of brothers like in our own military with our own vets. Orcs and Drow as a whole can be evil, that is their culture as decreed by the gods they worship, and to say they have to be like you is honestly problematic. That said, it also doesn’t have to be their culture, as a DM you could have Orcs or Drows that broke away and decided to be like humans, the clearly superior race.
Hobgoblins really being the perfect evil villain archetype.
Cruel, vicious, but intelligent and polite in a public setting.
I really have a tremendous amount of respect for there ability to maintain there strength and be polite at the same time.
I love me a hobgoblin war wizard (volo's version). You get armor and weapons so you can go full gish, arguably better than a bladesinger. Amd with moderately armored for a shield and medium armor you are actually super tanky.
And personally I like int as opposed to charisma. While they are leaders of goblinoids this I feel is largely because unlike the base goblins or bugbears, they actually posess the discipline to form a proper society. I see them as rigid, logical and calculating. The are polite, but stiff, never radiating warmth or friendship. This doesn't represent that same sort of universal force of presence that charisma does and I think might be somewhat offputting to outsiders, especially those of more laid back cultures like halflings and gnomes.
I think you nailed it. There great leaders not because they inspire there troops, there great leaders because they know tactics and war, the win by putting the right people on the right place. Fighting on the right fronts. Volos really shows that with the intelligence bonus.
In the D&D lore, the war god Maglubiyet wiped out most of the goblinoid pantheon, leaving only those that would serve him, and made Hobgoblins specifically his soldiers. What if this is the reason they aren’t benevolent anymore like they were in mythology?
Anyway, great video, Hobgoblins are also my favorite.
I've heard that hobgoblin basically means "house goblin" so I like making them members of noble houses in my worlds (even though that wasn't the intent of the folklore). Mechanically they fit the role perfectly
They are the nobles of the goblinoids. There fae influence tends to really represent that. I fully support it!
I like that as well. One of my favorite characters to play is a hobgoblin with the noble background because he is the son of his clan's warlord. This means a great deal is expected of him as mere birth afords you nothing, but he is expected to flourish so as not to shame or embarass his father. He is trained in statecraft and even diplomacy as hobgoblins are organized and disciplined enough to know that to win a war it can be incredibly valuable to know how not to pick fights you don't want. And of course he and his siblings adventure to ammas power and resources for the clan to prove themselves worthy of the throne of warlord should their father fall.
@@sassyviking6003 I love that. That's the most hobgoblin thing ever
This might be my favorite original lore from D&D and not tolkien or things. A real true threat that isn’t just crude and disorganized
There are so many great reasons to love the hobgoblin. There so just awesome. There smart there brutal, they have a code, they show respect, they never accept a harsh word about themselves or there people. I love them I really do.
How do you feel about the fae influences there putting on the hobgoblin?
@@TheSinisterheroes I don’t really care. I don’t generally like vulgar (overly detailed) explanations of how fae or magic things work.
I like hobgoblins old version a lot just never really had a game where i could play as one. Ive been told so many times by dms that i can’t play it for some reason.
Really there. Really not over powered. I feel like you just have bad luck
I’ve never played a hobgoblin. The fey gift looks like the mastermind rogue’s master of tactics ability. I’m not sure if they can stack but if it does I can see people making hobgoblin mastermind rogues.
They can stack absolutely, the only thing is you have to juggle is how many times you can do it.
I agree with you on them being amazing!!! I really love them as well.
Can’t wait to play one again
Doing a hobgoblin spore druid, this helped me get into the mindset of a hobgoblin. Great video, thanks
My pleasure I love hobgoblins!!!!!! There one of my favorites!
I'm about to play a circle of shepherds hobgoblin, and I'm hoping to lean into the support and guide side of it
Currently using a motmv version of the Hobgoblin as a wizard. In fact, I just used the fortune of the many feature to save my ass on a saving throw last session.
Underrated racial choice for PCs. Debating my subclass at the moment. Necromancer or Chrono.
Both kind of fit my backstory, and it’s a long term campaign going to lvl 20+.
Decisions, decisions…
Personally I’d pick necromancy. Literally cus I would be lying to my self that I would be happy doing anything else. Your a wizard just be smart about what spells your preparing and try and get as much info about the places your about to go so your really on point. When in doubt send a skeleton to trigger the traps.
Having g 10 extra ft in one round is actually quite a big deal if it is your wizard trying to get our of melee range is the attacker and force them to dash to try hitting him again
The tactical advantage of higher movement speed is nothing to sneeze at.
Yeah, I feel like they’re trying to “soften” the Hobgoblins in MMM.
They didn’t need to be carebears.
I just still have trouble trying to wrap my head around why, cus there so awesome as is why make them fey cobblers
Cause they’ve been trying to more away from the perceived notion that any race is “inherently Evil”…
Not realizing that they can do that AND keep a race’s rich and diverse culture and lore the same.
It’s really the fault of magubliet not there deities that make them evil. Lol it’s so simple it’s right there
@@akmi1931 Yeah but it excludes new people to hobby, by making it a little more obvious no race is inherently evil and changing some aspects it opens up more people to the hobby. The real problem is the people who complain and are too narrow minded and want to gatekeep the community. I welcome change, but plenty don't because they fear it for no damn good reason.
I think the reasoning why people don’t want the species to no longer be inherently evil is because the groups no longer look the same. The older you go the parties we’re basically human elf dwarf. And later on you could be other things but it was a big penalty to do so. Now it’s a motley crew of monstrous and uncommon species. I am currently in a party with a half orc an earth genasie a triton a Tiefling a Goliath and a gnome. Not a human or elf has been in that game for ever.
I think that’s a big part of it. Cus if the uncommon species are pure evil then you can’t play them, and henceforth your more likely a common species.
Nice guide. Thrashing.out a hobgoblin paladin at the moment, just not quite sure which oath I want him to take. Probably either conqueror or crown, most of the others need some serious backstory work to be explainable. Its an old hobgob, has save face and no fey gift, but not the volo one with the weird int focus (cos he wants to be a wizard/artificer, and by lore they dont like magic much)
I am cool with that I like save face a lot actually. Just Tasha’s the ability scores and keep the older hobgoblin.
Please make a guide video all about the ogres of d&d5e please
I’d love to but there are no playable ogres that I am aware of that are official. If you have some official stuff let me know I’d love to cover it
@@TheSinisterheroes can you make a guide video based on the Giants of d&d instead please
Sure thing!!! There is a giant race that you can play as.
This sounds like OLD Hobgoblin.
NEW Hobgoblin can use Help action as bonus action number of times equal to your proficiency bonus.
On top of that, Fortune of the many can be applied to many situations.
Maybe new one is TOO helpful for its own good.
I discuss them both, I really like the old hobgoblin better but I can’t deny the power of the suped up help action
I think aesthetically the hobgoblins are cool but there is no beauty in their society. If they see use in you, its transactional in nature. Hobgoblins see their own kind not as people but as tools, if it breaks or outlives its usefulness its cast aside or shunned. To be honest Hobgoblins are just a reflection of our modern world. If you are disabled, if you don't want to work, you are a waste of resources to be cast aside. Everything is domination and mutual exploitation. The sad part is, people see this as the norm and cannot imagine anything better than this which is why I get annoyed when people start saying "I liked it when orcs and drow were just evil in the first place". Its just lazy worldbuilding and to me a little problematic.
I guess we differ on perspective a little. Not saying your wrong by any means. In fact you are probably more correct than I am. I just see this wonderful beauty to how they define value. It’s not pretty it’s not kind. The fact that your own personal merit can bring about greatness I find almost romantic.
So those aspects to me really drawn me into them. They don’t have love but they do have respect and even polite attitudes, they also don’t wish to die in combat, so there is a sense of value in others and one’s self. So maybe there is something that is there version of appreciation and caring that exists.
Don’t get me wrong I am more guessing that seeing anything written stating it just me hoping for it.
@@TheSinisterheroes I still think their society is interesting, just for different reasons because according to what you said I see alot of modern parallels. I like the idea of maybe playing as a hobgoblin only to be an outcast and join some clandestine goblinoid organization that seeks to fight back against the injustice and build a better tommorow.
There you go with that mentality you can keep the upbringing you had and use it as your way to enforce your dream. Use that aggressive, brutal upbringing to chase down your dream and conquer it.
If you don’t want to work then you are a waste of resources. People have to work to secure those resources, if you are only taking and not giving then you don’t have a community, you have slaves.
In addition, I would say that is your perspective of their society and that doesn’t have to be true, looking at Hobgoblin society they can be a band of brothers like in our own military with our own vets.
Orcs and Drow as a whole can be evil, that is their culture as decreed by the gods they worship, and to say they have to be like you is honestly problematic. That said, it also doesn’t have to be their culture, as a DM you could have Orcs or Drows that broke away and decided to be like humans, the clearly superior race.
@@derpherp1810depending on what your definition of “injustice” is. Any problems in Hobgoblin society is particularly of your creation.