Nikolas Cruz prosecutors challenge witness' claims on his development, body size
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2022
- Anne Marie Fischer, the director of a preschool attended by Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz, testified during his sentencing about Cruz being evaluated as a 1 and 2-year-old at Young Minds Learning Center. Fischer testified about Cruz's struggles with development and how physically he looked different than other children. On cross-examination Fischer was challenged on her assessments of Cruz.
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The adopted parents raised him. He didn't live a hard life like the sister did....Yes it's possible that the drugs and alcohol affected him in the womb.....but he lived a normal average life.
the thing is when you do drugs with a kid in your womb, its whole entire development is compromised before day one, mentally, physically, hormones. but as far as not seeking help and deciding to do what this dude did......no excuse for that. just clarifying because its not bueno to do drugs while pregnant and you kinda undermine that whole idea
Yes, interesting. One of the worst serial killers in the uk, albeit a female. She was the lover of Fred West ,Rose West, and was totally involved and culpable for the harrowing crimes they commited together in the uk . My angle on this is, how does a serial killer 'incubate' ? So her dad was a violent, sadistic bully and as a child she was told she was unwanted. I am not making excuses, and i'm always concerned how a human psyche can possibly deal with this. So when she was pregnant with Fred's first child she was kicked in the belly, threatened by Fred so she did try to flee him. Anger is the primary motivator i think (im no expert). Anger flares up the brain so badly that young men like Cruz do find the power to want to anialate every human being around them. God help us all
These VERY damaged ones will continue to cause this devastation unless the laws kick ass, in a much more controlled and careful way, not necessarily the death penalty..
@@anjou6497 well said.
I agree with you I adopted 3 children 30 years ago from alcoholics n drugs moms my children are good and decent individuals and they did not kill or hurt anyone I raised them with a lot of sacrifices and they are not evil like cruz and they are a blessing from above one is autistic and he has a golden heart and the other two are kind and respectful so nicolas is just poor evil
@@kungfu_kenny4135 thank you.
A lot of us were born into abusive families with parents who were drug abusers but we didn't become mass murderers. No empathy for this monster. My husband has big ears and he is not a mass murderer. He was bullied and teased throughout his childhood but hasn't killed a single person. The defense is making us resent this monster even more.
Preach that truth
Not everyone is the same. Your attempt at invalidation is mad disingenuous.
Amen right a lot of people got big ears etc but they are fine. He wasn’t so Mental when he went and got that gun , he killed Kids also
Absolutely… Obama now he got them BIG EARS and he was responsible for killing oh ya he killed that Muslim Turbin Twisting Guy…the cave dweller…
@@kungfu_kenny4135 1000% correct! Every child born from an addict is different
I’ve been bullied, harassed and abused my whole life. Never once considered mass murder
Many people have been bullied and harassed. Especially as kids. Then you grow up and find likeminded individuals. Killing innocent children is insane. Sorry but his actions did not have anything to do with being bullied. He needed parents.
@@Dis2good Actually, he was the bully!!! ....If the death penalty is there for the worst of the worst, does murdering 17 people in cold blood, chasing and shooting the wounded and long planning to murder them deserves death sentence?? .... For me, absolutely. What about you??
@@hus390 We are talking about being bulled. Not whether or not someone deserves the death sentence. Do you realize that?
did you also have mental issues and developmental dissabilities?
@@cadespencer6320 mental issues. Yes
They only way I’d be okay with him not getting the death sentence is if he’s spending the rest of his life locked down on a 23 and 1. If they’re saying he made his decisions because he didn’t know how to socially interact as a child then he needs to be away from people forever.
He knew what he was doing.
🙏🏻 amen
He even attacked a guard sitting his incarceration. He's a pathetic mess.. doesn't deserve anything but death or 23/1 agreed
@@sA-ny2jl Idc what slithering snake of a lawyer he gets in the next lifetime. He plead guilty to murdering 17 people. He will never be free again.
@@sA-ny2jl won’t happen because the judge is gonna basically go by what the jury suggest and then add her nice strong bow tie to prevent any new law or anything else to manipulate his sentence! Plus he already pled guilty which means no reversals etc
They’re giving his sentence a lot more careful scrutiny and such than he did for those 17 people he killed. Smh.
yeah becaues the justice system is supposed to be more fair than a homicidal maniac.
You mean it's ok to give his sentence such careful scrutiny if he had killed 17 ppl after a lot more scrutinizing premeditation
That’s how the law works.
Your point being what? Wether it was 1, 17, or a 100 or for a DUI the process is the same.
@@HayastAnFedayi Comments are Comments. There here for anyone to say anything. Just like I'm doing now and you just did then. SMH!
Clearly, all the consideration is being given to the murderer and little to none to the suffering of those poor, grieving families who have to hear these testimonies with such graphuc detail. I have no sympathy for the murderer, especially after I saw the video where he proudly stated his intentions. My sympathies go 1000% to the victims & their families.
What? You know the prosecution has rested their case, right? It’s now the defense team turn to present their evidence for the defendant. Of course they are going to only take the defendant into consideration. That’s their legal prerogative. In the opening statement, the defense lead attorney stated that there is no justification for the crime committed. There is no excuse. There is an oath taken. To provide all legal help to their client. There is no sympathy for the defendant.
@@primoenthusiast it definitely does not.
It’s called the 6th amendment right to fair trial. I think. I might be getting mixed up with what we have which is Art 6 European Convention on Human Rights. I think they are basically the same thing , although obviously we don’t have the death penalty since 2002.
This is the job of the defense, unfortunately our constitution entitles everyone to a fair trial. So this is all just a formality
@@TheDanggamers Yeah “unfortunate” - until you are the one stuck in a local court on totally bogus charges having been charged by some dodgy corrupt DA. If it’s you, I’m sure then 6-8th amendment will be looking pretty sweet.
Whatever kind of childhood he experienced, the innocents he gunned down, suffered worse at his hands. Their families will suffer Lifelong.
Well said.
I do not think he was mistreated all that much. every single picture I saw of him from an infant on to adolescent he seemed very happy and always smiling.
This is absurd has nothing to do with his mind now he knew what he was doing when he killed all 17 people 🥶🥶
Ok Karen and you dont think that the mother smoking crack while pregnant has nothing to do with the child’s brain development? Let’s not be delusional.. clearly it was wrong but dont act like this doesnt matter
@@trentp1993 it doesn't.
@@trentp1993 It doesn't. At all. Do you realize how many babies are born addicted to drugs and DON'T grow up to shoot up a school? I would say almost all of them.. 🥴 The defense is just trying to look for anything at all to make the jury feel bad for Nik (as they should), but the fact that he was born to a drug addicted mother doesn't have anything to do with his actual upbringing.. seeing as he was almost immediately adopted by Linda Cruz when he was born.
Yes, Nik has some mental health issues, but that doesn't change the fact that he knew exactly what he was doing (and how wrong it was) on February 14th 2018.
@@trentp1993 it doesn’t matter if she smoked crack, was an alcoholic, smoked cigarettes, was a prostiute and was in jail. He murdered 17 people in cold blood...pre meditated..planned it, boasted about it.. he deserves death..17 Times.
@@stephguz you sound quite unhinged. Take care.
FACTS!!! We all got a sad story. 2 wrongs will never make a right!
My cousin adopted 2 children that were abused and seriously troubled... and neither of them killed anyone.
Well not all mentally Ill are the same. He obviously had something else going on. Mass murderers such as Adam lanza and James Holmes went through a lot less and still went and murdered innocent people. These guys are pure evil and we’ll never understand why. We can only hope he’ll receive capital punishment but we already know he’ll be going away for life at the minimum.
A side note, it is 2022 and people are so ignorant, "educated" people about adoption and adoption language. Children who are adopted are your "own" children, most of all leagally with birth certificates with the adoptive parents' names on them. They are also your "own" because you are their parents, raising them, supporting them, loving them. We don't say, "Oh, this is my adopted son," or "Here is my son, he's adopted."
"Birth mother" is correct. And to say that parents "don't tell anyone" that their kids are adopted is untrue. Every case is different. Some parents are very up front, others wait, and that is for numerous reasons (safety, emotional, depending on child's age and developmental readiness...). Adopting isn't a secret, but it IS a privacy issue.
And it screws up alot of children. Because there NOT your children. A signed contract for a human exchange is just as bad as slavery. ESPECIALLY when the child has no voice for a choice in the matter. But that's a whole nother show isn't it?
@@sondrapatty3504 that has to be one of the most ignorant comments yet. I am a birth mom. My 30 yo daughter is happy healthy loves her adopted parents and is joyfully expecting her 2nd child. She is very happy and well adjusted. And not messed up at all. As she and I have had many talks over the years about how she feels on the subject.
@@sondrapatty3504 so in your opinion the children should be lounging around in abusive households exposed to God knows what until they are old enough to determine if they want to be adopted? What makes you think people want to take on already destroyed humans to mess up their homes? Adoption is a previlage not a right thus please comparing it to slavery is just childish
@@sondrapatty3504 haha what? A signed contract for human exchange? Do you expect children to come into people's care without record of this? If there are people who view adopting as owning a human slave, then there are also people who become parents through natural birth for this reason. The process of adoption or how this person came to be a parent is irrelevant.
@@sondrapatty3504 I'm sorry for your bad experience. Hopefully you can be a part of the adoption solution ESPECIALLY now that the Red Supreme Court overturned RvW. A womb is now subject to the wishes of the government. I hope every womb knows the exact Peni§ that owned & produced the sperm.
A quick sidenote: •¹THERE= placement, ie; "was the body here or there?" •² THEIR=possession, ie; "Their goal was filmed in a video." •³THEY'RE= contraction (shortening) of They + are ,ie; "They're going to have a lot of women who cannot afford to care for all their* children if there* isn't some assistance for the mothers and children who have Noone to turn to.
As regarding your comparison to slavery: slaves were not considered human, they were property like a lamp or buggy & there was no contract - just as a cow for slaughter is paid for. Paid for for the life duration of said chattel and all resultant growths (births) of the property.
AAAA quote "“Adoption agencies are licensed, regulated, and monitored by the state in which they work. Prospective adoptive parents who work with a licensed adoption agency must meet certain minimum requirements. Birth parents are provided with services such as counseling, legal assistance, support during the pregnancy, and help with the adoption plan and plans for future contact. Adoption agencies typically assign social workers to work with prospective adoptive parents and birth parents, provide counseling, mediate future contact, complete an investigation of the prospective adoptive family, arrange the legal consent process, and connect adoptive parents and birth parents with legal and supportive resources. Adoption agencies frequently consult with adoption attorneys to make sure that laws, rules, and regulations are being followed appropriately."
This is not at all similar to current trafficking procedures or with slavery as it pertains to colonialism & enforced slavery of [yes! Humans, as you thought - but humans that were disastrously stripped of all rights *for their Entire Life*, and their ability to be considered as any more human than a horse.
I know things are complex and bad situations happen even when protective legal shields are in place, but I think your comment and it's claims & comparisons are, if not egregiously fallacious, then at least not supported by a majority of adoptees.
And, again, I do feel compassion 🙏 for you & all who were & are mistreated when they do not have a voice. I believe that you feel your truth as stated in your comment to be true. And that makes me very sad. Life can be plenty hard enough without *there being people who trample the rights and lives of others.
What does adoption have to do with him killing 17 people?
Alot.
Adoption in and of itself has nothing to do with it. However, the behavior of the birth mother while pregnant may be (arguably) relevant as well as the behavior of his parents and how they raised him. (And by parents I mean the two people who adopted him because those were his parents.)
Abandonment. Reactive Attachment Disorder.
@@lauracappucci7675 I'm adopted. I'm not going to kill people 🤷♀️
@@lauracappucci7675 why aren’t any other adopted kids shooting in schools then? Stop making excuses for this horrible person
My ears so big my Dad used to tell me I look like a car driving down the street with both doors open. He also taught me how to shoot a gun. All of my classmates where ALIVE to graduate.
Pick a better angle!!
Everyday, I watch these trails and same question pops up 'why are they wasting time and testing the patience of those parents?' he needs to be punished for the crime he did.
He is being punished and will continue. He will either sit on death row or get life without parole. The parents don't need to be there. They aren't gaining any insight. I could understand if this was a murder in which the bodies weren't discovered or victims still missing, but there is so real need for the parents to be there. Most of the victims were children and the ones that were adults still had plenty of years ahead of them. The victims and the killer had zero connection. None of the victims asked for it in any shape or form.
@@stephguz Right to bear arms shall not be infringed. That kid is a psychopath yes however his stupid video and whatever he did in his past is similar to what other people do who aren't going to shoot up a school.
There's gators, black bears and hogs in Florida all things way tougher than humans. That and you have drug smuggling and illegals from the humans.
The school did right by kicking Cruz out years before they just couldn't enforce it. Or rather they couldn't extend that to the city. Banishment. That way it's not on the school to hire security and arm them to the teeth. He wasn't a landowner and he was trouble for the school system.
Y'all keep saying hurry up and get it over with. Now y'all know they give due diligence to a vvhite man... Isn't that the privilege y'all want over everybody else? If he was black he would have been fried. But then again, you don't hear about black men doing this to schools so... This is definitely a vvhite man thing...
The parents are consumed by their child or partners death. They are driven to be there. They have every right to see the process through. I doubt a single one considers this a waste of time. Like all humans they’re trying to understand the unimaginable. We don’t have the life issues & struggles the defendant has. We’ll never make sense of his actions. But still, we try.
We have to justify to ourselves putting someone to death.
@@bonnieabrs1003 Let me ask you this....If the death penalty is there for the worst of the worst, does murdering 17 people in cold blood, chasing and shooting the wounded, and the long planning to murder them deserves death sentence?? .... For me, absolutely. What about you??
I had to testify against my abuser in a trial when I was a kid and I remember that I kept nodding and the poor transcriber had to keep telling me to say yes or no lol
What I don’t get is, yes his birth mother was horrible!!! But- then both boys are adopted by this seemingly loving couple who want to give them a thriving chance. Why not work through the trauma in years of counseling, therapy, whatever it took - to steer clear of this?!!!
Apparently, she drank a whole lot of alcohol while he developed in utero. Foetal alcohol syndrome causes brain damage. Some kids are born with doom in their future.
I agree but at the same time I know of a high profile child abductor who was adopted young didn't know his bio parents had good childhood but still ended up committing crimes. I think it's biological and not environmental at all.
@@stephguz A lot of children are born into dead-ends, everyday. They don't grow up and kill 17 people. Stfu.
He was born damaged. No amount of good parenting could change that. Unfortunately, it played out the way it did.
@@stephguz his father died when he was 5
When I used to give evidence in court for child protective services we were told, never use the word ‘normal’ as the opposing barrister will try to make you define normal. There’s no such thing.
Head and ear defense... WTF is that about?
Has any other capital defendant having plead guilty to all counts ever been afforded such an exceedingly abundant amount of leniency in simply making such a simple determination of sentence? I understand this is America but this extraordinary protection of rights would only extend to one whose only been accused, no? even after a guilty plea on all counts he has the legal right to summon months and months of very-reaching, hardly remotely relevant testimony from "character witnesses" who saw the punk once decades ago with a big wheels and shitty diaper ? ? How is the testimony of these folks admissible? It's a stretch and then some to somehow assert it is even relevant.
Fetal alcohol syndrome. Mother was a drug addict during pregnancy. He's predisposed to criminal behavior. As strong or stronger than an insanity defense in my opinion.
Get it out of the way now. How many appeals does he get before death?
Are founding father believed even after you commit a crime you get rights. This guy right here who deserves to to get the maximum aloud punishment (death) but he still has far less right than me and you. Every person in prison right know is entitled to an appeal of their case and sending their case to the supreme court. Every person on trial is aloud to bring on credible witnesses, character witnesses, and credible evidence. This guy right here has just as much rights as any other person on trial. This guy right here is know on trial to send him to his death, so the state has to prove that he committed this crime with a malicious and conscious intent on hurting others. Which he did, but the lawyers have to prove it. If they break his rights at any point. This trial gets thrown out, and a possibility of getting off free. Because of Due Process, if the state doesn't follow Due Process to the T, than he has a chance of getting it thrown out. That's why it seems like he has so much rights.
@@cuckertarlson5310 do you think if he gets death he can appeal?
It establishes that he was born with certain problems.
He shoots and kills 17 people and attempts to kill 17 more because he has big ears and is short!! What a load of BS, and how long and how many children has this woman work with and can remember stuff like this ~ god, I used to work with children and was in charge of special educational needs and I don’t remember half of those kids and because of their needs I had to spend quite a lot of time with them!!! It’s all BS
And my mother has many more years of experience with special needs children and is still an early childcare teacher at 65 and still remembers every child she has worked with so its down to the individual.
@sally martin thank you for sharing that you don’t remember many of the children you worked with. some educators *do* remember.
what you are referencing as BS is part of looking at the defendant’s developmental history.
If this nonsense and waste of time is only being presented to determine the death penalty vs life in prison, then just get on with it. Either way, his life is done. Let him rot in prison and let the real tough guys take care of business there.
Yes he plead guilty so this is a sentencing trial. He’s fighting against the death penalty. Legally he has a right to plead his case but I imagine he will be getting the chair. I do think he is deeply damaged and sick in a way that isn’t his fault, but he still knew what he was doing was evil and he did it anyways. He was fully capable of choosing different behavior.
I hope this trial can shine light on the outcomes of trauma, abuse in the family, and drug addiction/mental illness. Maybe as a society we can look for solutions for these families in crisis. Maybe we can learn from these testimonies how to prevent school shootings and promote the mental health of students/identify those who may need help.
@@Ash-gj2lf very well said.
When the defense was asking her all the questions about Nikolas' day-to-day habits and activities from 1999, she spoke freely, but now everything is "I'm not positive", "I'm not sure."
@@thecurrentuniverse I am a certified teacher in Florida. A bachelor's degree and a valid certification is a requirement for teachers in public schools here. They are talking about privately owned institutions, where in many states, the requirements are inconsistent and lackadaisical. It's not solely because they are in Florida.
@@thecurrentuniverse
please feel free to look into the state regulations for early childhood educators. while qualifications have changed over the years, they are *not* the same as K-12. they vary widely from state to state.
* educator with M.S.
@@thecurrentuniverse body language just says nervous to me, and that kind of school is not normal k-12. And in a lot of places count life experience as a "degree" if she worked her way up to director, even without a degree, a lot of places will still hire. And at this point she was already in the education system for 25 years! This lady didn't teach him to be a murderer, all she is here for is to tell how his childhood seemed to her. Nobody will ever know exactly what caused or when he became a murderer. That's all they are trying to figure out, someone to blame besides him. Lots of kids have grown up in worse and done better, and lots of kids who have had great childhoods have done way worse. Either way, no point in arguing his guilt, he did it. The question is, who do they throw under his bus? Because God forbid, it's just his fault!
@@Ash_426 Florida lets the private institutions act as there own entity ! Which definitely has alot of cons etc etc!
@@nenej12 many states operate in the same way. I agree that it is not effective. I'm a middle school reading teacher in South Florida and I am required to have a masters degree in order to teach reading, as it is an essential subject. When I only had a bachelor's in English I was able to teach language arts. Public schools here do follow stringent guidelines when it comes to the education of their teachers.
If the death penalty is there for the worst of the worst, does murdering 17 people in cold blood, chasing and shooting the wounded and long planning to murder them deserves death sentence?? .... For me, absolutely. What about you??
Wow. Questioning the credibility of a little old lady who was a preschool teacher? Bad move prosecutor.
Good move 4 the procescutor. I wouldn't believe her. It stays with u all ur life.
I think they did well. She seems confused at times. I'd question her too!!!
@@truth4utoda agree
It’s crazy that this whole trials purpose is to decide whether to kill him or not, a “civilized” calculated premeditated court ordered murder. Killing people is wrong. Whether it’s a disturbed rogue individual doing the killing or a Judge and Jury ordering the killing of an individual. I think the maximum penalty for a civilized society is Life In Prison without the possibility of Parol. Anything past that would be stooping down to the criminals level and committing Murder.
The families of his victims and their community should be responsible for helping house and feed the shooter for another 50 years via taxes? Absolutely not.
@@jamesconley5255 So we as a civilized society just Murder the Murders? If we say murder is bad and then we murder others it makes us bad too. In my opinion stooping down to that level and doing exactly what we are saying is horrible should not be down by us civilized people. You shouldn’t say Murder is bad and then when someone kills someone you just Murder them. That makes you bad too because Murder is bad right? So why would we do it ourselves? It doesn’t seem right to me to kill people as a sentence for any crimes. A court ordered killing, dress up in your suits and act all professional and civilized and discuss killing someone its pretty crazy. It makes you like the killer himself. We’re better than that. That’s why we have the prison system to lock away these people away from society forever.
@@allthingsparanormal4109 That's an argument you should take the legislators if you feel so strongly. As it stands he faces, and in my opinion deserves, the death penalty.
Look at this world where do you see it as civilized? Hardly politicians aren't civilized the justice system isn't civilized this world is sick and only if you knew what countries do to inosent people when they are sitting on something that another country wants they justify any means to go and get it this world isn't civilized and most people in this world isn't civilized. We could end suffering and starvation but it's a money maker for the rich and most charity's are crooked. Civilized society hahhaha ya right
Cruz almost successfully killed a guard at prison. He will definitely kill again while in prison.
He was willing to take many lives and did so planned… no empathy!! If you are willing to take other’s lives then give your own life up as well. He could have reached out for help but decided to plan instead.
Agree with everything but your last statement. Apparently he did reach out for help, there was a problem with insurance. Mental health care in the US is horrible, and not just a matter of “reach out for help” unfortunately
I agree , if it was random than maybe I'd buy his defense , BUT ..he was just too prepared, too calculated ,had too big of plans set out as to his attitude of his arrest , he also begged NOT for seeking the death penalty trying to use his defense with all these " problems" BUT yet the horror and all he did ,he fits SEVERAL of the factors for the death penalty! ..it's weird how he googled all this stuff. NOT ONCE did he Google the laws and consequences and punishments for the crimes he was going to commit
@@katherineblosser6770 Cruz had some 200 mental health sessions.
@@michaelricketson1365 was that before or after the crime? Also, it’s important to consider not all treatment is good treatment. I would like to reiterate that what he did was not ok regardless of his condition, my point of contention is simply with the common advice of “reaching out for help”, which doesn’t account for the poor state of psychological treatment, at least in the US.
@@katherineblosser6770 That was before the shootings. Cruz was seeing mental health professionals from his time as a youngster until shortly before the shootings. Max Schachter made a strong rebuttal to the defense team’s claims about Cruz being neglected by the system.
What is it with many of these defense witnesses having a hard time allowing the lawyers finish their questions!? Seriously, it's not just this one, and have noticed many of them either start answering before the question is fully asked, or they over talk the lawyer!
@@thecurrentuniverse Oh, I totally agree! The woman from NJ is definitely not telling the entire truth!
@@thecurrentuniverse Or they are nervous as they have stated under oath.
Those parents of the victims are there everyday going thru a lot more suffering over there children he took !! I feel the same way not even a mental person knows how to use a rifle and go into a school and hurt people !! It's just wrong ! He shows no remorse not one tear fall down over those parents talking about the deaths and the impact it has made on there life's without there kids !! Schools should have emergency therapist in school where that girl should have been able to talk to someone about how he was harassing her and calling her ! Some intervention to let kids know it's ok to tell someone if someone is acting creepy and out of sorts like that! I think it would help the schools pick out these trouble makers !! And more security now !! In schools it has to stop ! He said you will see me on TV !! Well we see a terrible outcome of this ! And these poor parents and victims !! Even the one girl can't breath right because she was hot in the lung still hurt ??? That's terrible and what's even more terrible her brother was approached by him in McDonald's after he shot his sister he kept trying to call his sister in the video !! But did not know she was shot 4 times !!! He's got nerve asking him for a ride ?? I'm so glad he did not say yes ! And left with his mom !!!
Get this done. Stop wasting money and fry the guy
I have big ears , my grandfather had the same big ears , we're not killer's..
Was he purposely stammering? I couldn’t keep track of the actual questions. And why don’t they just refer to official documents??
What was that at 4:31???
I don't know!! I heard that!
probably someone accidentally didn’t turn the volume down on their phone
Mr. Cruz was a cute little boy that judging by the family picture, looks Happy and very Normal!
Will Smith has huge ears, and he is not a mass murderer. The defendant knew what he was doing no excuses he is a demon
What is the point of comparing heads and ears ? Are they trying to scientifically prove he’s a neanderthal?
This is simply the defenses moment to earn their paycheck for a case they know they can’t win . Bless those who were killed
Who is this older lady on the stand and who is she to judge or opinionate the size of Nikolas’ body compared to anybody else’s and what does that particular topic have anything to do with the entire case? I mean I know his mother did her drinking etc but,…… I’m confused on the topic of his looks. Sounds like a nit picking situation to me
Agree
Waist of time and $ putting those families n the people including the jurors to a nightmare everyday just finish n let the victims rest in peace
How are people supposed to remember someone else’s babies from the late 90s?? You cannot expect people to remember details accurately. Especially since now they are elderly. How can she say she ‘believes the adoptive mother loves her sons’ unless she was living with them. I guess it’s her job to observe that. Is she claiming he has a birth defect like hydroencephalitis or fetal alcohol syndrome due to the birth mothers drug & alcohol use??
You ask too many questions 🥱.. good gravy
Nick --> Old Sparky
So, what's the problem, here?
Y'all keep saying hurry up and get it over with. Now y'all know they give due diligence to a vvhite man... If he was black he would have been fried. But then again, you don't hear about black men doing this to schools so... This is definitely a vvhite man thing...
The default method for execution in Florida has long been switched to injection. The chair will only be used on request anymore, and I doubt that Mr Cruz will request it.
My parents were verbally abusive to me and I grew from it I was of letting it darken my mind. He went the wrong way. He needs to pay for his actions. He’s just trying to plead insanity to get away from all of it. Terrible.
Don't say how you would handle yourself until you've walked in his shoes just a couple of steps. He's was never conditioned to deal with life's circumstances the way you were, plus I'm sure you didn't have developmental issues like he did either.
@@George0025 still killed 17 people. Insane or not, he needs to be held accountable. People lost their children. Their is no excuse. He knew what he was doing.
@@vonnikki He's going to be held accountable. He's already pled guilty. This about does he get life in prison or the death penalty. The point of all this is about the circumstances he had to deal with since conception. That lead him to commit these heinous acts.
This is a genuine question. Why does any of this matter. He did it. He admitted it. It is no longer a matter of what if. Why does all these things matter
You must've not payed attention in school this is America 🇺🇸
This is about mitigating factors.
Because this is our wack justice system
@@michellewokas6456 So what should they just flip a coin to decide if he lives or dies? It's a good system to present evidence and let jury decide you onion. Are you even aware of what forms your opinions?
If you make exceptions to allowing defendants a fair trial, then no trial is fair.
It’s almost September and we still asking irrelevant questions
This whole case is just so freaking sad…😞
1998+1 or +1.5, my math is bad, whaaaat?
This such a waste of time.
This lady discredited herself when she said that if she had adopted children she wouldn't tell people because she'd want them to think she had a "normal" family. That's a child education expert?
Normal can be a subjective word but most people are not adopted, so the default would be that they are with their biological parents. I’d do the same as it’s easier than having to explain to everyone that your child is adopted especially if the child doesn’t know and it doesn’t make that much of a difference and is no one else’s business.
That was how pretty much everyone of her generation thought
@@baxterandcotton Well, I guess that makes it ok. Funny, her and I are from the same generation. I'm adopted. Nobody ever told us our family wasn't normal. Who knew?
She also discredited herself by NOT being aware of ALL his actions in the classroom
Was Tutor Time and Young Minds the same place? Oh, and Was Tutor Time and Young Minds the same place? One more question... Was Tutor Time and Young Minds the same place?
Ironically....all three of those questions are nagging my mind. If we could only get the answers to those...so much will be solved.
Every single murderer has issues growing up.... where do we draw the line here? In my humble opinion, this provide some context, but it change nothing. It seems he had a good family.
Why is this trial going on for so long. Can "the shooter' afford his legal fees!
Ahhh yes, the killer ear defense !!!!!
I stilont do not understand why the school let him take the JROTC course and why was he allowed to have a gun.
They trying to get him life in prison 🤦♀️ so let’s blame a drug addict he never saw except at birth
DIRTY
This male lawyer can't seem to form sentences very well. It makes me wonder how he got through school.
Not like he’s in a pressure cooker or anything…
He’s trying to impeach the witness over irrelevant technicalities.
Looks like the defence are using those large glasses for what?! Son Ed kind of pity!!
Bruh...They're just glasses.
If these are " mental health experts " there incompetence is scary. Cruz was a threat to others and self and broadcast his intentions. Why didn't anyone intervene before he killed?
Yes. So goofy
When you see pictures of him without glasses, you can tell that he does actually needs them because without them he goes a little cross-eyed. It's likely that he no longer has acess to whatever glasses he previously might have had, maybe they broke or he lost them, and these huge frames he wears now are simply the only glasses that the state would provide for him. When you look at people in prison who wear glasses, you frequently see outdated looking huge frames like these.
Who cares if he’s 5’7”
There grasping at nothing. This guy is so guilty I say fry his ass
Even if someone is close to average or above average they still could have major developmental problems and growth problems
@@johnpolin8030 And that has what, if anything, to do with Cruz murdering 17 fellow human beings?
@@johnpolin8030 cool. He killed 17 people, no excuse
@@jonathanbales2002 severe neurological issues and seemingly hidden brain problems
Didn’t he receive over 400k in inheritance? His law team is now the same law team that his older sister has and Zachary has.
They are pushing to not get death penalty.
But why did she say babysit like that???
Who gives a hoot that the kid's ears stuck out? These trials are a mess.
Wrap… it…. up…..
Old Sparky is standing by.
Weirdo
Are you saying that's what his mom should have done? Trojan mannnnn!!!!
Fetal alcahol syndrome does not cause sociopathy. FAS causes health and learning problems. It does not make ones head bigger or ears bigger, in fact the CDC reports the opposite - it can make ones head smaller. I find it irritating this speculation on ear size and demeanor is permitted to be weighed out in this case. Not to mention everyone in prison has a problem, whether mental or otherwise. Its not about how hard your life has been, or how bad the cards are dealt you, but what choices you make with good cards you do have. He could have turned himself in before shooting anyone, told the police he can't control himself and is a danger.
No, FAS does not cause sociopathy, it causes FAS symptoms. And those can include poor anger management and bad impulse control. There also is a link between FAS and criminal behavior, with some studies saying that as many as 60% of FASD sufferes over the age of 12 have been involved with the criminal justice system.
Your wrong fas can cause mental health struggles and psychopathy
How many irrelevant witnesses are we going to hear from before they decide to rest their case? The relevant witnesses and all facts have been painfully exhibited from the victims, families and loved ones..There has been no shortage of evidence from the witness booth from LE to ME to School Staff and Students who left nothing out or overlooked.The Defendant himself provided enough to show this crime warrants the Death Penalty.I do not say that lightly.I mean it in my soul though.I understand the process of the trial and all but my God, at some point the Defense has to accept that they literally have nothing to work with.These witnesses only drive home the fact that we are free to choose to do better and be better than our circumstances..A couple of the witnesses are proof of that...And NK is not getting any less evil listening to the stories of his Toddler days and such or the hand he was dealt....He could have easily searched for resources on internet to possibly find some help with his issues, called a Crisis Hotline etc...Instead he searched for weapon, hunting tips,Researched Shooting massacres and binged School Shooting massacre videos.Googled Uber to deliver him to the School for Music Class, carrying his weapon like it was a lunch kit...went on his rampage then just made his way out of the scene of his crime and literally found his place in line with evacuating students,and ever so casually went for an Icee and a chat with traumatized student where he had the clarity of mind to act clueless as to what was happening at his Former School? That is too twisted,dark and evil even for Stephen King! This person deserves exactly what he described before he entered that School-"They will hide and they will be afraid".He should feel that same terror while he waits to die.Perhaps the next person planning such may have 2nd thoughts about it and understand the cost of slaughtering people is literally paid in full only when they themselves take their final breath...at their Execution.
He reminds me of Elaine from the Johnny Depp trial. Dude don’t you know how aging works like HELLO! It’s annoying when they always go after the credibility.
I have sympathy for Nikolas Cruz, and his sister. The state (adoption mother) failed to get him the help he required, therapeutic hospital or home for him stay 24/7.
How many children have you adopted? It’s always someone else’s fault. What have you done for unwanted children? Do you take in foster children? How dare you attack a good woman who adopted these kids and tried to do her best. Im sure Cruz made her life a living hell, but at least she tried. What have you done?
He didn't need help..he needed a form hand of discipline to correct A LOT of his bratty temper tantrums!
@@Greeneggsandham123
Sorry but no. Everything I’ve seen, Lynda was an incompetent mother that was often in denial and didn’t want to get the help he needed. Most adopters refuse to acknowledge the trauma that comes with adoption much less with someone born to a drug addicted mother. Also Lynda and her husband were much to old.
I could never be on trial cause I have no memory that's 20 yrs ago she's to remember filling out a form
What does his body proportions have to do with him being a murderer?
Because of fetal, developmental, and genetic issues. They sometimes affect body proportions, Downs syndrome is a famous example, as is fetal alcohol syndrome
Absolutely nothing .Defense is trying to sell " woe is me"
Abnormal body proportions can be a sign of developmental disorders that affect the mind, such as fetal alcohol syndrom.
Those big ears are gonna come in handy for Bubba to hang on to.....🤣🤣🤣
defense attorney got some junk in her trunk
WHY are these prosecutors so hell bent on rebutting? It’s a sentencing hearing FACE it the kids a mess Nwver had a chance PUT him next to Dokhar Tsernaev in super max for life/no parole and call it a day! If Taernaev gets sentence commuted to LIFE then this kid does too!
The guy lawyer reminds me of Amber Heards male attorney.
Imagine being bullied by people for so long that you snap and turn into a mass murderer. I see a lot of comments about how other people were bullied and, how they didn't turn out like this guy. Did any of you stop to think that the bullying you recieved may not have been to the same extent as the bullying Nikolas Cruz recieved?
I hate that he killed a bunch of people who had nothing to do with his trauma but, if he had just been selective and taken out his anger on only those who hurt him, I would have a ton more sympathy for him.
In 3rd grade he threatened to kill his teacher. He destroyed a TV just because he lost a video game. He said and did violent things, acted out at school and home and did his fair share of bullying. His parents were concerned because he hid the axe he would use to chop at the dead tree in the backyard. He had 77 behavior reports from High School and it wasn't because he was a gentle victim. If he was "bullied" it was because of his behavior where people rejected him. He wanted to be included but he was a trouble maker and didn't have social skills.
@@hopewins1629 If breaking a TV or Computer screen is a red flag than most Dark Souls players would be on a list. That is an unfair comparison.
What did the 3rd grade teacher do to illicit such a reaction?
Lots of kids act out in school and, being bullied often creates more bullies.
Obviously the parents weren't concerned enough if they didn't take steps to address their concerns.
So a lack of social skills and behavior problems is somehow excusable so long as suits the group doing the excluding?
So by that way of thinking it must be okay to exclude everyone with behavior problems, like people with down syndrome?
The problem I see here is that his peers were close minded bigots and, perhaps his eventual snap was the result of a lack of kindness, compassion and understanding from his peers.
If that was the kind of treatment he had to endure than I am not at all surprised he ended up doing what he did. Society and your peers hating you simple for being born the way you were and, not really have the ability to change.
As a society we create these people and then have the nerve to shame them for breaking down and resorting to violence.
ALL the school shooters were bullied..BUT there's also reports of them being bullies as well....if your bullied you go after the bully , NOT the innocent people that has nothing to do with the bully being a bully ...I was bullied ,NOT ONCE did I ever attack or yell at someone who tried to offer a kind word or someone that didn't engage in the bullying
@@aliciacoble7854 Congrats.
Challenged how? And his ears looks massive in that picture
This lawyer just made himself look stupid..
He should've just kept smoking weed and not listen to his inner demons like most individuals dooo.
this psychopath attacked the prison guard and tried to tase him with his taser!
10 years later Cruz is given 1 week of community service... What a joke this whole phase is?
So his adoptive mother is the one who passed away? Is his biological mom alive ?
Yes
They are both dead now.
I don’t understand how anyone in the right mind would represent that monster!
I agree. But they are court appointed lawyers .
@@danoa8859 I’m pretty sure a court appointed lawyer can request to be recused from representing a client. He has too much money now and they’re now talking about him having to hire his own legal team so I’m unsure why the court appointed lawyers are still representing him. Unless something has now changed I haven’t heard of yet.
@@krystle1018 because it's harmful to switch attorneys well into his case which been going on for years, and defense attorneys defend not merely a client but our entire American system of justice which is about using two "opposing sides" to ensure the truth comes to light. Perhaps you have heard of checks and balances? Or perhaps you think we ought to have a tyrannical system where attorneys refuse to defend people based on who they are or their own personal feelings, which means the day the prosecutor is falsely accusing someone there won't be anyone to defend them? Short sighted and emotional comment.
Even the most despicable murderer has the right to a legal defense and that's as it should be.
Sounds more like an interrogation, geez
He was very very ill and with no support for what he needed..I remembered his name when I heard him on the news remembering him from before I felt terrible for what occured trying to rack my brain if there could have something I could have said to have detoured or or stopped it..guns are not the problem ..wanting to kill the innocent from pain or illness is the problem..how do you detour that..if ..they ..don't tell you...one can hide their illness or not day what the voice is stating...is the problem..how do you tell that .?..love him or her out of it..what if they reject your love..he was very ill...his path could have been different.
Guns are not the problem? If he had gone into that school armed with bananas or walking canes, or some other arbitrary object, I doubt 17 people would be dead. While I agree he was very mentally ill, his access to weapons (made for what he used them for) was the catalyst to the atrocity he committed. Secondarily, the lack of a social safety net like mental health care, more social media surveillance for dangerous forums are also needed. But to sit there and say guns are not the problem in a country where gun violence is the leading cause of death for young people is just beyond asinine. Beyond asinine.
I maintain that he was stuck in a fantasy world, a dangerous place esp for neurodivergent kids. But ironically they are more drawn to fantasy as they often get what they need from it, what they can't get in the real world. They mimic what they see on tv, on social media, they take on the mindsets of what they observe, to make up for their own deficits. They do this far passed the age at which they should have stopped - because they are developmentally stuck. It's a ticking time bomb if they are not pulled out of this mindset, closely supervised and influential material removed. But his parents died 🤯 to top it off. Who was going to save him from himself then? Just because he was legally an adult doesn't mean he could function without help.
The whole story is appalling.
Very cool defense team! Now give him the dry sponge electric chair!
Andrea Delequa (sp) Shawshank Redemption….excellent movie!
Poor kid's he didn't stand a chance 😢 his sister's testimony was extremely sad. We need to address mental illness in America
i think this prosecutor is too spacey sometimes its like he doesnt know what direction he wants to take the examination he needs to pick his questions quicker in my opinion
Ahhhh this lawyer sucks, stumbling over his words
Proportion of body part size can indicate a problem in an individual? Does this woman have any credentials other than on the job training? She does not seem like a pro.
Maybe look up fetal alcohol syndrome because that’s what the defense is getting at.
Ya, see, I didn’t get what her credentials were. I didn’t know what they were talking about at first until they were describing the big ears & head size then showing the picture. I didn’t notice any birth defects but if you look at Nikolas now he does look kinda put together wrong.
His ears are huge
What a waste of time. The defense is trying to get him life instead of death penalty. Must be difficult for lawyers feeling sympathy for this dude.
Not sympathy. Not death is more the issue. I don't think the defendant cares if they put him down anyway. He knows what he's done. No one could say he's right in the mind. Fouled up in the womb.
They don’t, one of them asked to be excused from the trial.
Some do and some don’t
They have to do their job regardless of who it is
The lawyer for Casey Anthony took her into their home
In preschool he didn't want to use a spoon. He had no problem using a gun.
These defense witnesses are pathetic
I agree that she does look like the theme for senior prom was fire
Calling her old
If u didn’t get it
@@melissalouis4750 grow up
This entire trial is now a long running process of pointless talking.
Ross Perot was known for his ears, not for mass murdering
this has absolutely nothing to do with the cruz murders, i mean now i understand why people hate lawyers, what does it have to do with cruz killings who owned the school that cruz went too, whats that got to do with the school shootings?
EXCUSE ME DI
D A BABY DID THE SCHOOL MASSACRE OR A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.
The shooter was 20 when the shooting occured !
I feel so bad for him
This is all very relevant, early, pre-school 1-2 years of age is when the brain begins to develop patterns relevant to sequencing, that is, an number specific will become the point number which followed him to this day. Testimony will reveal how Nic pooped his Diaper 17 times a day, that Nic enjoyed dropping 17 sprinkles on his ice cream, that Nic would not finish his cereal unless he counted 17 Cheerios floating on top, that Nic would hide 17 blue smarties under his pillow at night. I can hardly wait for the “ Boy Scout “ years to reveal even more critical information.
Wow quick math there lady !
Is it just me, or does this woman not seem to be the most reliable witness?
A travesty. This creature is not worthy of life. I hope he sits in his cell alone and miserable for decades to come.
Simply knowing right from wrong is not enough to stop someone from acting wrongly, so we should not be too judgmental about the defendant (Cruz). We should imprison/kill the accused but need to do so without being excessively judgmental, although I understand it will be hard for the victims or their families to stop judging.
All of us know we shouldn't smoke, over-eat, become intoxicated and so on, yet many of us fail to live up to what we know to be true/correct. All of our actions are reactions. We are reacting to greed, fear, pride, lust, and so on. We are trapped/bouncing between various attributes/emotions/mindsets...unless you are free of these attributes you cannot say that you are acting freely because you are acting under their influence and my understanding is that you have very little say (choice) in the matter.
We are simply reacting to the sum total of forces weighing down on us and different people react differently, some more extremely than most and crack faster than others. If we were trapped inside Cruz's bio-suit (body) and found ourselves subjected to the same pressures, it's very likely we would have acted in a similar fashion.
Walter E. Kurtz (Marlon Brando) from Apocalypse Now - "You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that… but you have no right to judge me...Because it’s judgment that defeats us.”
Your entire argument makes no sense. A judge is in charge of proceedings. The jury will judge if he is on Death Row or given life. We judge every minute of every day. A lot of the time it's what keeps us alive. Sorry, but the vast majority of people do not murder 17 people. Many have endured difficult/sad/depressing/abusive lives. They don't murder 17 people. This is a unique case. No amount of 'understanding ' this individual's brain will explain what he did. The fact is 17 people are dead and their families have to listen to this utter claptrap about his broken brain. I cannot understand your point of view and am happy not to.
@@Victoria-wz9ub The judge and jury are doing their duty based on the laws/framework laid down. That's why during jury selection they avoid selecting potential jury with extreme biases. My post is for the wider audience who knew neither the accused nor the victims. We should imprison/kill the accused or do whatever it takes to preserve our sanity/notion of normal, do what it takes to maintain the integrity/stability of our societal structures. But to impose a sentence based simply on the fact that I know right from wrong is a bit too simplistic and naive, especially coming from us armchair warriors.
I'd recommend reading the poem IF by Rudyard Kipling to arrive at a better understanding of what I'm trying to convey.
You are not comparing apples to apples. Many are in a similar situation and so they are still fruits, yes, but not the exact same fruit. Would you have more sympathy for the accused if this became the norm, if the majority acted in similar fashion? I don't think that should be the criteria for sympathizing with someone - just my opinion.
@@Victoria-wz9ub All avenues must be gone down before deciding to kill someone to ensure real justice is determined.
@@Angela-iv7qy l believe they have been down every avenue already. What we have here are dead ends.
@@anonsurfer at least your comments are different, if a touch fluffy. I think in this case we need robust judgement not poetry.