2381 Vulcan Science Ship - Breakdown (Lower Decks)
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It’s a cool upgrade to the Vulcan ships we’ve seen before. It looks classically Vulcan but also looks more modern. A really good design.
Losing the front connecting piece that surrounds the ring is the game changer and what makes the new ship that much nicer. It is just a reworked ENT era design, but that only makes sense.
Ship and culture, I thought the depiction of Vulcans in this episode was some of the best (and funniest) of Lower Decks so far.
I really didn’t expect Lower Decks to give us so many new ships in full glory compared to what Picard did with Riker’s copy paste fleet.
That's the beauty of animation. That said, yes, the copy and paste fleet was a bit much. They could have had one or two different designs.
@@VileMike "You are technically correct."
"The best kind of correct!"
Lower Decks is the superior of all the new Trek series after all.
I sense there are some true Trekkies on the LDS staff.
@@avenuePad They're all animated. It's all just computer animation now.
This was a great evolution of the Vulcan ship design philosophy seen in Enterprise. She was a huge ship - and a beauty. The whole Vulcan segment was well done.
Lower Decks is doing a fantastic job of showing off their new ships. I preferred the aft section on the ENT era ship to the LD ship, but then I saw your CG render of the LD era ship and it looks fantastic, can't wait to see these used in live action shows. Also, it's nice to have confirmation the Vulcans are still operating their own capital ships.
Big beautiful ship. Loved how it warped in and was between the Ritos and Pakleds. Reminded me of STO back in the day when I warped into a battle a buddy of mine was having trouble with and I showed up in a Galaxy-X.
Hey, I still fly the Gal-x in STO
This was me in the Sovereign and soon Odyssey classes. To repeat the moment from First Contact when the E sweeps in tanking fire meant for the Defiant.
@@thirstcontact2799 I've never played STO, cn you pilot those Vulcan ships with the ring? Absolutely gorgeous.
@@Francois424 Yep!
I really loved the Enterprise Vulcan ships, I thought the shapes were awesome, I also love the Lower Desks Vulcan ship, it was great to see a post TNG Vulcan ship that made my day.
Remember however with a vulcan's lifespan a single generation could be up to 300 of our years so a ship that's only a generation or too old to them maybe up to 600 years old for us.
The Vulcan shuttle in Discovery sort of shows a progression towards more angular shapes in Vulcan designs, which show up in this
The D'kyr grew on me overtime and I was fond of it in STO; but, Lower Decks continues to hit it out of the park with their new designs.
I really like this ship! I think since not all Vulcans are in Starfleet, the Vulcans kept their own research programs going and kept developing their own ships.
My head canon tells me that Vulcans would only use the most efficient design and since they don't have to work it out with other species in Starfleet, they were able to super develop their own warp tech.
I want to see more Vulcans in Lower Decks.
To be fair, it did seem the Vulcans continued improving their ships through the centuries. There was that shuttle in Discovery, and also the designs that Archer and T'Pol found in Daniels' data-thing.
"It is logical to retain a design schematic that has worked well." - Vulcan starship designer
I had to run and watch the episode after about 30 seconds into the video. Now that I'm back, I am 100% in love with this design. Definitely need the Eaglemoss release for what I'm currently calling the "Vulcan Science Dreadnaught"
*love it.* it is real nice.& i like the warp rings. -JC
It’s really those harsher angles and especially the new color that makes it look so good to me. I love that brighter more metallic red
kitbashing is a time honored trek tradition. long as it looks good and fits
Love this new Vulcan ship & I loved that episode. Took a peek at the new LD Extra-celsior & can’t wait!
Good Afternoon Gentlemen, I do like the ship and I love the way the show is giving us these wonderful views of other races ships
They're really good.
I love these ships - and the fact that they show signs of a common ancestor with the D'deridex-class.
"Making the ship really big is logical progression." -The Vulcans
So Vulcans like big bay windows. Nice.
I'm split on the ring design of Vulcan ships. I never liked the Suurok Class. The harsh angles on the primary hull clashed with the ring of the drive section. However, I love, love, love the D'Kyr Class. Its sleek and the lines of the primary hull seem to meld right into the ring. That said, I really like this new ship! Something about it does say "dragon", Commander. Maybe its a D'Rgon Class!!
Perhaps they simply moved the daughter craft to under the hull, like the captain's yacht ?
We got a new ship! We got a new ship!
Indeed!
Shipgasm!
I like the idea that Vulcan ship building was revitalized by the events of Reunification in tng.
The window scaling makes a lot more sense if you assume the blue glowies aren't windows. They might be auxiliary deflectors, bussards, anything really. But the windows on the top of the bridge module are about in line with size-wise with the cerritos's bridge window. So about 1.5 standard decks tall. They also glow white, like a few other pieces at the top of the dorsal side. Hell, the bigger windows on the back hump could even be an arboretum!
Vulcans aren't ones to sit and stare at space for the sheer experience of it, so it would be logical if they have only a few functional windows, but make them extra large then?
it definitely has the aesthetic of the Vulcan shuttle in Discovery, but with a ring. So +1 for continuity
I like the incorporation of a separate warp nacelle bulbs blended into the warp ring. It follows, for me, that Vulcan logic would create designs that could maintain the most efficient warp envelope. Using a combination of older known Vulcan designs with newer discoveries.
I love the Vulcan lcars it’s beautiful
I really like this design. Very visually interesting and looks good in every angle.
I love what you both do!
I think I preferred the brownish one, but either way they are beautiful designs.
The more angular, less rounded hull shapes track with those small Vulcan ships we saw on TNG. I like it, but the size is just ridiculous... I understand individual Federation worlds would still have their own ships, but I guess I expected them to be kind of modest? Like they would devote more ship building resources to their contribution to Starfleet ships? There was one shot in the episode that showed this and the Cerritos in side view firing on the Pakled ship, and judging by that this thing could be more than a kilometer long.
Way more than a kilometre in length since the California class is over 500 metres long.
But I'm fine with one of the oldest space faring species in the Federation having a small number of large ships.
The Klingons are an old space faring species and generally go for huge numbers of smaller ships rather than big ships with the Negh'Var class being huge for a Klingon ship matching the size of the Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign classes.
Excited to see Mike again!
So am I.
Keeping a similar ship design lineage for a long time makes sense as majorly retrofitting a ship yard should be at least one level of magnitude harder than retrofitting a ship, and they tend to be useful at least several times longer than the initial ships they build. The Earth/Modern-Starfleet yards we see that seem to avoid tailoring the yard to the ship are probably not universal, while that might give more design flexibility would have some downsides verse ones that fit more to the form of that species common designs.
This is a perfect evolution from the D'kyr Class Crusier from the 22th Century.
An a good using of this vulcan ship aesthetic.
I love it. :D
The windows are realy too big compared to the Ceritos buut is not soo bad..a tiny scaling mistake. ^^
Lower Decks is so awesome, with all the "ship porn" it is delivering...Just like it is awesome on so many other levels! By far (far far far...) the best new Trek Series. Simply a love letter to Trek in general, mady for fans, by fans!
Live long and prosper…SIR!
I believe that the FX team from Star Trek Lower Decks intentionally showcase multiangles of every Starship as a love letter to Trekyards.
Where was these ships when JJ's Romulan pipe fitter journeymen flew their River Rouge factory ship to Vulcan?
I guess a Vulcan lockbox will be coming to STO soon
Ship is Big......window size are absurdly overexaggerated......
What's interesting Vulcans maintain their own vessels.
New vulcan ship. Next a logical review.
It does look like warp ring supports should slide forward. A trench on the side from the back to mid section.
I wonder if there's a forward facing shuttlebay in that negative space on the underside of the hull.
It's looks like a Vulcan take on a bird of prey, but to be the same size as a RWarbird
Really wonder why the Vulcans didn't come out with warships for the borg. Seems like it'd be logical. Kinda like how the religious caste did the white stars for when the Shadows were coming back.
Well, they are Federation members. The Vulcans likely contributed resources and technology in that capacity, through Starfleet. My guess is that these types of ships are more science vessels. Perhaps operating under the Vulcan Science Academy. Though they're obviously capable of defending themselves, so who's to say they wouldn't send these ships to a Borg encounter if need be.
Love it
Like great guys
This ship seems to have real concept that are equivalent to what sicense says it should be. The warp core is on the out side containg the ship inside where physics says it should be.
Guys, you forgot about the future Vulcan ship that was in Daniels database.
I just had a thought. Going back to Star Trek: first contact - have you done a breakdown on the Vulcan lander?
Gimme in STO… Full temporal with commander temporal/sci, lt commander Intel/universal and NO tactical seats, plz. Avoid death and cower!
Vulcan ships are probably the only thing missing in STO right?
@@EnterpriseKnight nah, I have a Vulcan t’pau scout ship build that tears stuff up right now. I think I posted a vid me running “preying upon the weak” (tarn system - elite) patrol on it the other day.
There’s also spock’s jellyfish (promo ship) and a t5 Vulcan ship with the big warp ring in the center.
With this new design, won't everybody be fried when the warp field is created? I thought the rule was warp nacelles or the warp ring needs to have line of sight to the other nacell/rest of the ring. That's why the D'kyr hull is only outside the ring.
Spacedock has posted a picture of an Excelsior refit that is supposed to appear next episode if interested.
Yes we saw, but want to save that and look at it when the episode comes out!
@@power543 Ok. Looking forward to seeing it next week
Damn, that class is still in service?
@@MrIronhat well it's either a refit version or a new ship of a similar design. we'll have to wait and see
@@MrIronhat Well its pretty radically different, so clearly a "new" ship inspired by the excelsior.
I wonder if the negative space is nodding towards the Romulans and potential reunification efforts. Clearly none in the episode but it does have nods towards Warbirds from the front as well.
I though the colourations and shapes on the interior were very Romulan too
Why does the warp ring bother you? Every race encountered by the Federation will have its on warp drive configuration and remember the Vulcan probe ship in First Contact was unique in its design. Also in the animated series the first episode Beyond Fartherest Star had the insectoid ship design evaluated by Spock as not being as beautiful as stated by Uhura but as based on the alien races own ideas of warp dynamics. Form always relates to function in engineering.
In An Embarrassment of Dooplers there is new Andorian cruiser docked on Starbase 25. It is likely a Kumari but with a fin at the rear.
Fascinating 😐
Curious.
Like the ship ,feeling good then watched Disco trailer .......in bed now ;(
I can't stand Lower Decks however it's nice to see at least the ships aren't god awful like the rest of the show is. However I'll always prefer the Andorian ships from Enterprise as my favorite non traditional Federation style. They're absolutely gorgeous.
Cruiser or Science ship?
No mention of regenerative shielding amplifier , etc. Vulcan is part of the federation so these ships are for exploration and science ?
Both! Only logical to be efficient!
It's not a D'kyr, it's a D'kthere.
Jango Fett doesn't stand a chance.
Ooooofffff, demoted to the Lore Reloaded channel.
You might start as low as posting twitter pictures on the community feed.
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You guys better control yourselves. You're out of control.
The design of this ship looks like someone took a D'kyr and made a Disco version with all those sharp angles, weird size, and no detail. Personally, I think the future cruiser from ENT (Tri-ring) would be a better fit for this episode. Not only would it be a great reference, but in the end we would get a fully rendered version and learn about its technical specifications and capabilities.
Looks more like a star wars design and a real departure from the original Enterprise design. Continue to say, anything related to the JJVerse is utter garbage.
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Not a big fan of this design, it’s monumentally huge scale strikes me as out of character for Vulcans for one, you’d think they would absolutely minimize the scale of their ships wherever possible, they would find excess distasteful in a functional tool like a starship and seem at best ambivalent to luxury if not always openly disdainful of it.
Like other ships in LD its color palate is heavily over saturated to the point where it looks like a toy, same for the excessive placement of detailless neon glows.
From a structure standpoint the ship looks clunky and blocky, something you normally find when manufacturing techniques are limited, giving it if anything a sense of technological regression rather than of advancement.
As you guys noted yourselves it’s also extremely derivative of an existing design, almost to the point of just being a massive upscale of an existing ship.
"As you guys noted yourselves it’s also extremely derivative of an existing design, almost to the point of just being a massive upscale of an existing ship."
It is really not. They may have heavily based it on the model of the other ship but nothing of the look and feel remain. The other one was rather smooth and uncommited, this is very distinct in its lines and yes, color palette.
The word derivative means something else.
The one complaint is the scaling which I think was a dramturgic choice (aka the screen composition otherwise looked shit) given even the model was not designed for that.
If it's actually a Vulcan Science Academy-affiliated ship as some have suggested, then it would only make sense to have lots of interior space for numerous experiments running in parallel, sample collection/storage/analysis, etc. Sleek efficiency is not logical at all times and for every mission.
Not Trek
Saying this about Lower Decks is silly enough but saying it about what is universally considered an all time classic Trek episode is really embarrassing
This is Trekyards. It of course isn't Star Trek.
@@SmartSmears They're an attention seeking troll. He wants to feel like a big man.