To me, the Ent-E is the Enterprise design that has aged the worst. I feel as though Eaves is better at designing alien ships than starfleet ones. I really prefer the Probert era.
@@keirfarnum6811 It all comes down to taste I guess, but to me the Sovereign has this vaguely sinister look that just reminds me just how dark the TNG movies were trying to be. Other things I don't like about it are the fact that it is significantly smaller than the Galaxy, and the flat profile of the saucer underside. Oh, and those hideous impulse exhausts. I know they're supposed to look like stealth bomber engines or something, but they're so huge and open and they don't even look like they're pointed towards the aft end of the ship! Out of curiosity, what do you dislike about the Galaxy class?
What's sad, is that they show off the Cerritos in a lot more detail, than they do in any of the current live-action shows. Bring us back the ship p*rn!!!
It's not like the older shows showed off the ships much, that mostly began with the JJ reboot. Throughout 99% of TNG you got the same few perspective shots recycled with new backgrounds every episode. Discovery definitely shows off more of the ship than TNG ever did, Picard not so much. Late run Voyager did better than most once it went CG.
@@DrewLSsix And both DS9 and ENT had great battle scenes. Much clearer than either PIC or DSC. TNG may have recycled a lot, but CGI was still in its infancy.
Matt Jeffries, the production designer for TOS had a background in aviation, so the navigation lights and blinkies were positioned on the ship per the Federal Aviation Administration regulations of the time. Compare the TOS enterprise to any low flying aircraft after dark.
They shrunk the windows to back up the fact that the Cerritos is actually much larger than we've been led to believe. A new official book coming out this month has her at about the same length as the Enterprise D
Lol, the exact opposite of what they did with the D. Early episodes of TNG had a mis scaled model that had small window's making the ship look huge. Then they built a new model and relatively enlarged the deck 9-10 window's and made the rim thicker. Bringing the apparent scale down a lot. They still never actually put windown on the model that matched the 10 forward set....
@@DrewLSsix Actually 10-forward windows were added on the 4-foot model which debuted in "The Defector" which heavily replaced the original 2 and 6 foot models for shooting, but the other two continued to be seen through the extensive stock footage already shot for the first two seasons.
Suggestion from a fan/subscriber - I think it would be helpful if you interacted with the images, for example to draw a circle around a detail. I'm not always sure I'm looking at what you're discussing.
I knew something had changed but wasn't certain what all the adjustments/alterations were. Thank you for doing this. It was excellent. The Cerritos/California Class has really grown on me. I love the show and I am growing to love the vessel.
I love that they've improved the ship and added detail, but it's maybe verging on too realistic looking for the rest of the 2D animation for the characters. There's a bit of a disconnect there. But, I can look past that for the sake of getting some sweet TNG era ship aesthetics.
Speaking of eaglemoss, I feel like these sort of “quality of life” updates to the design might have something to do with them trying to produce models and not wanting to make them too cartoony. Conversely they may have been redesigning the Cerritos, and thus the eaglemoss collection for lower decks got delayed to account for the new design.
Some one needs to point the production team at a good nav light reference or find out what the Christmas tree lights are really for. Perhaps it could have been a practical joke, some one in engineering playing with the RGB settings for those lights? Thanks for picking out the details, they did a nice job of spiffing up the ship.
It really looks way less cartoony now. It is almost aproaching low-budget live action levels. For example, look at it side by side with the Norway from Squadron, they certainly don't look dissimilar.
I heard somewhere that it's intentional so that it can be used as a cargo-tug (assuming the cargo pod would fit between the saucer and engineering hull) but it does seem 'stilt-like'.
@@robgraham5320 Real world explanation is that it looks more goofy that way. The ship looks sometimes to be in distress, in the season one finale, for example.
I think it’s a callback to the early TNG era of ship design - the Galaxy class, which this ship definitely takes its design cues (and to an extent the Ambassador class, among others), is a super tall ship, and as the 24th century progressed, ship designs kept getting sleeker and shorter, with the sovereign and defiant and intrepid classes. Making it taller makes it look older and dopier. Making it sleek would make it look top of the line.
Ok, those navigation lights make my brain itch! It's "red = port; green = starboard" IRL, but it seems in Lower Decks it's "red = left, right, forward, I dunno, pretty lights is pretty; green = pffft whatever who cares". XD
"We don't want anyone to die" LOL, that doesn't sound like any Starfleet I know. Like one of Starfleets defining features is that they have long forgotten that mysterious 21st century dark art known as OH&S.
i think they added more escape pods to include the ones on near the bridge is due to the fact that in S1 we loss the USS. Solvang, Rubideux, and Merced. In the Ruibideux and Merced scenarios we know the Crew had to be beamed from the bridges as they were stuck there with no escape pods nearby thus facilitating Starfleet to add bridge pods.
The navigation lights really stand out now, and honestly they're bugging me. There aren't supposed to be sets or red and green on both sides. Other than that, I like the little changes and improvements Also kinda cool that they have galaxy class escape pods on the saucer and sovereign style pods on the bridge section
See I think they shrunk the windows to expand the official size of the ship... Great... Now my 3d printed model isn't the right scale anymore! Although I do appreciate the upgrades, improvements and attention that is going into this show, I love it!
Less Rick and Morty like and more ST:TAS evolved to modern animation style. I'd like to suggest that the image style of the show could be from the point of view of the lower deck crew. Their first season everything is surreal, larger than life , ultra glowy and bizarre. Now more experienced their level of description and images are sharper. With the exception of Boimler.. people are complaining on how Captain Riker was behaving. Its not how Riker was behaving.. its how Boimler perceives it. Our camera lens on this era is through the eyes of the lower decks.
Mm. I'm still not liking how the engineering hull connects to the nacelles. The pylons connect to the middle of the nacelles and are then surrounded by the blue glow from the internal engineering of the nacelles. So, how is a turbolift getting to the secondary hull? With the blue glow both above and below where the pylons connect, we can't conclude that the turbolift shafts are merely running ALONG the nacelles; they have to be going THROUGH. Where the internal machinery is. This bothers me because there's a late TNG episode that firmly establishes that a person jumping into an active warp nacelle gets vaporized. And now they just design a ship to casually have a turbolift shaft running inside the nacelle? Put the pylons on top of the nacelles or (like the pylons connecting the nacelles to the primary saucer) build up the structure around the middle of the engineering hull pylons so the turbolifts have somewhere else to go. But I'm still not sold on this setup. ... Actually, I just noticed the blue glow doesn't entirely surround the part with the engineering hull pylons; the very back connects to the rear housing of the nacelle. So I guess the turbolift shaft could be going from the saucer section, down the vertical pylons, along (not through) the top of the nacelles, all the way to the ends, and then do a U-turn and go back up the middle to the engineering pylons, and into the engineering hull. But good God, why would you do that on purpose?
Yeah, the red and green, port and starboard deck lights are just wrong, but it's a comedy, so they should have purple ones too, or lights in the windows.
The four radial features on the bottom interspersed in the escape pod ring are not phaser strips. There IS a complete phaser strip running from pylon root to pylon root. The four features are insets in the hull. I don't get why Sam is nodding along with you there - he's modelled the ship (as have I) - he knows! I think the saucer looks a little too flat-bottomed now - it had more of a belly in season 1, which made the 2 lines of windows more believable. And while the detail bump is great, I have a soft spot for the hull texture in season 1 - maybe I'll come around on that. The removal of any and all detail from the back of the engineering pod seems like a missed opportunity or an error. The depth to which the window panes have been sunk on the lower saucer robs the ship of some of the dynamism it had in the "Galaxy's Child" gag in the opening sequence. I'm ambivalent about the changes - on one hand, I'm in favour of the detail bump, the RCS thrusters, the nacelle field grilles, the escape pods added in the refit, and the torpedo launchers, but on the other hand I agree with Capt. Foley that it doesn't quite sit as well with the 2D character animation any more. I look forward to season 3's refinements with anticipation. I feel like that will be the definitive version of the ship.
I mostly agree with you though I think the removal of the windows on the underside of the saucer actually makes it more three dimensional, the windows never made sense to me, I can see they were going for a Ten Forward look but barring any differing artificial gravity orientation on that deck they would actually be in the floor rather than the wall/ceiling due to how sharp the saucer curves.
I don't think they're necessarily open. We haven't seen them close up enough to say one way or another. The captain and commander said the blue glow is from the force feild, but it could just be a lighting effect to highlight the bay doors. Or it is the field emitter, but it glows all the time, even on standby.
Good afternoon Gentleman, NOW of course the NECELLS where ripped of WELL one was so it made sense to beef them up. Your right Commander when ensign Mariner shot over the insect ship we did not see from where the beam come from on the ship. You and the ship people SO I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR and answer to WHY THE the SCINCE and COMMAND California class have BLUE or RED on the top dark gray part of the bridge and Cerritos does not?. It has just a strip on top saucer. Thank you for doing all the work for me, AND YESS I CARE Captain. NOW I am so so made THAT PEOPLE LOOK AND LISTEN you what you have to say and DON'T give a THUMBS UP or down that is disrespectful. AT this time 1,328 views and only 168 likes I think that SAD you always give a informative opinion and insightful information SOME TIME you wonder of course, I don't care for drink time for you or others.
I thought the Season 2 opening looked better. The only thing I say is problematic is the mixture of RED and GREEN Christmas tree lights. One side should be red, the other green. The right side (Starboard) is supposed to be green. Hopefully they can fix that for season 3.
I’m hoping there’s going to be some kind of side gag mentioning the new bridge escape pods. Boimler: “You know, during development they were originally going to be called Kelvin pods.” Mariner: “Yo dude, no not in this timeline.”
Someone needs to tell the writers at Lower Decks to include a scene in which the Cerritos takes a torpedo/phaser hit and rocks fly out of a console, or overhead compartment, and KO a red shirt. THEN they will have nailed the entire spirit of Star Trek. 🤣😂🤣
Who would really want a single episode where they literally cross into Reality and the voice actors play the characters, Noel Wells looks like her character, they all do to a degree.. IRL in Season 6!!!
I think it looks fantastic! It looks great but they fucked the blinkies up again though. How hard is it to put green on the starboard side and red on the port side?
Am I the only one who is getting rearly attached to that tough old ship somthing about its design makes it feel like a depenable friend, looking forward to seeing more, now if only we could have 20+ episodes of this and just 10 of discovery
Yes he voices a lotta the additional one scene characters. In the first episode of season 2 he voiced the holographic Cardassian Male guards. The actor is quite versatile.
I like the Parliament class, the starfleet ship that I could see section 31 using and the other ships in the show except for this ship. If the secondary hull was connected to main hull or at least between the pylons to the nacelles I'd love this ship, it just looks wrong and reminds me of the Oberth and the Steamrunner classes to me. I can except the floaty nacelles from Discovery because they gave it a reason and its so far in the future, I would of expected that by then but this annoys me for some reason plus it adds a window to the bridge which never made sense to me why the bridges never had one If it is revealed that the design was the middle ground between both classes I already mentioned (don't remember when or if they said the first of this class was launched) I'd like it a bit as evolution throughout the years.
I always kind of thought the bridge was in the middle of secure shielding or a double hull design... or deep in the ship.... not to be so exposed (I know ship cross-sections tell a different story, but I always thought a layer of small rooms do exist around it)
Just one thing about the bottom of the ship, you said that there were four little phaser strips between the life pods. Those are actually indentations into the saucer like behind the bridge module on the top. You can see from the lighting on the upper most rear one that it’s reflected into the ship not out.. There’s a full phaser strip inside the yellow ring outside the pylon struts.
Awesome vid, guys. Thanks for the great content. I just now noticed ST: Discovery is streaming in Dolby Vision on Paramount +. The visual upgrade is amazing and I can’t wait to rewatch the whole series this way. So, I had a thought about the updated visuals on ST: LD S2. My guess is S1 was made for original Blu-Ray format (1080p) and S2 in some 4K HDR format. But, just like Discovery, we’re going to have to wait for the release of the 4K UHD discs first before we can stream Lower Decks S2 in Dolby Vision as well. Those blinky lights are going to look even more blinkier. Cheers!
6:16 I think in season 1 Mike said "..and then put lights around the shuttlebay doors" and the designer somehow misinterpreted what he meant so he just put LITERAL WINDOWS on the dark hullplating aroud the shuttlebay doors instead of the blue glowing forcefield outline
I didn't notice most of these on my own, but I did notice that the model has been upgraded with lots more detail. The windows on the top and bottom are definitely smaller in the new model, not just less bright, which makes the ship feel more like the 600+ meter length that Mike M. says it has. I hate the Xmas lights. Wish they'd fix that.
Watching the episode the ship felt more real compared to last season. Still thought it looked good last season, this is just better now. I found myself wondering why more of trek wasn't being done by these people.
I'm glad they followed the Captain's request and didn't make it look all "Sovreignny"
Still has Sovereign-Class escape pods.
To me, the Ent-E is the Enterprise design that has aged the worst. I feel as though Eaves is better at designing alien ships than starfleet ones.
I really prefer the Probert era.
Yeah. It’s Galaxy-y.
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Whatchu talkin’ bout Willis?! Sovereign class rocks! The Galaxy class is UGLY!
@@keirfarnum6811 It all comes down to taste I guess, but to me the Sovereign has this vaguely sinister look that just reminds me just how dark the TNG movies were trying to be. Other things I don't like about it are the fact that it is significantly smaller than the Galaxy, and the flat profile of the saucer underside.
Oh, and those hideous impulse exhausts. I know they're supposed to look like stealth bomber engines or something, but they're so huge and open and they don't even look like they're pointed towards the aft end of the ship!
Out of curiosity, what do you dislike about the Galaxy class?
What's sad, is that they show off the Cerritos in a lot more detail, than they do in any of the current live-action shows. Bring us back the ship p*rn!!!
Mike McMahan cares about the show and takes feed back.
It's not like the older shows showed off the ships much, that mostly began with the JJ reboot. Throughout 99% of TNG you got the same few perspective shots recycled with new backgrounds every episode.
Discovery definitely shows off more of the ship than TNG ever did, Picard not so much.
Late run Voyager did better than most once it went CG.
@@DrewLSsix And both DS9 and ENT had great battle scenes. Much clearer than either PIC or DSC. TNG may have recycled a lot, but CGI was still in its infancy.
Matt Jeffries, the production designer for TOS had a background in aviation, so the navigation lights and blinkies were positioned on the ship per the Federal Aviation Administration regulations of the time. Compare the TOS enterprise to any low flying aircraft after dark.
Hey guys! You know I love your stuff but I think the zoom on the pictures is sometimes off. Example at 2:24.
Yep! Oops! Trying to be a quick turnaround on these as there is a lot to make etc! Glad it was quick :)
It would be funny if they poked fun at the windows not being as bright by saying they switched to energy saving light bulbs
They shrunk the windows to back up the fact that the Cerritos is actually much larger than we've been led to believe. A new official book coming out this month has her at about the same length as the Enterprise D
Lol, the exact opposite of what they did with the D. Early episodes of TNG had a mis scaled model that had small window's making the ship look huge. Then they built a new model and relatively enlarged the deck 9-10 window's and made the rim thicker. Bringing the apparent scale down a lot.
They still never actually put windown on the model that matched the 10 forward set....
Makes sense it’s so large considering it’s (supposed to be) an engineering ship
@@DrewLSsix Actually 10-forward windows were added on the 4-foot model which debuted in "The Defector" which heavily replaced the original 2 and 6 foot models for shooting, but the other two continued to be seen through the extensive stock footage already shot for the first two seasons.
Square window on the bottom of the saucer that matches the bridge window on the top, a secondary bridge perhaps with no light as its not in use?
I prefer the bright windows from season 1.
13:54 Foley confusing the cutouts on the underside of the hull with beeing "4 small phaserstrips" and overlooking the proper phaserstrip
Suggestion from a fan/subscriber - I think it would be helpful if you interacted with the images, for example to draw a circle around a detail. I'm not always sure I'm looking at what you're discussing.
I knew something had changed but wasn't certain what all the adjustments/alterations were. Thank you for doing this. It was excellent. The Cerritos/California Class has really grown on me. I love the show and I am growing to love the vessel.
I love that they've improved the ship and added detail, but it's maybe verging on too realistic looking for the rest of the 2D animation for the characters. There's a bit of a disconnect there. But, I can look past that for the sake of getting some sweet TNG era ship aesthetics.
This ship always looked modular to me. Like the saucer could snap out of that skeleton and get a new one.
That could have actually applied to the Enterprise-D,had the saucer section not crashed on Veridian III.
I believe Mike McMahon alluded to this capability in a Trek Yards interview last year...
Speaking of eaglemoss, I feel like these sort of “quality of life” updates to the design might have something to do with them trying to produce models and not wanting to make them too cartoony. Conversely they may have been redesigning the Cerritos, and thus the eaglemoss collection for lower decks got delayed to account for the new design.
Captain Foley calls the Live-Action series finale.
Mark it.
Some one needs to point the production team at a good nav light reference or find out what the Christmas tree lights are really for. Perhaps it could have been a practical joke, some one in engineering playing with the RGB settings for those lights? Thanks for picking out the details, they did a nice job of spiffing up the ship.
It really looks way less cartoony now. It is almost aproaching low-budget live action levels. For example, look at it side by side with the Norway from Squadron, they certainly don't look dissimilar.
Feel like the gap between Necelles and Saucer is unnecessarily big.
The ship could be like half as high.
I heard somewhere that it's intentional so that it can be used as a cargo-tug (assuming the cargo pod would fit between the saucer and engineering hull) but it does seem 'stilt-like'.
@@robgraham5320 Real world explanation is that it looks more goofy that way. The ship looks sometimes to be in distress, in the season one finale, for example.
@Falcon Hyperion Hm, but the Nebula Class has the Science Module on Top, a way bigger saucer and other nacelles.
I think it’s a callback to the early TNG era of ship design - the Galaxy class, which this ship definitely takes its design cues (and to an extent the Ambassador class, among others), is a super tall ship, and as the 24th century progressed, ship designs kept getting sleeker and shorter, with the sovereign and defiant and intrepid classes. Making it taller makes it look older and dopier. Making it sleek would make it look top of the line.
Side-by-side images were great.
Great show, great ship!
Ok, those navigation lights make my brain itch! It's "red = port; green = starboard" IRL, but it seems in Lower Decks it's "red = left, right, forward, I dunno, pretty lights is pretty; green = pffft whatever who cares". XD
Seems Mike McMahan have been watching this show and basically fix everything you guys pointed out in season 1. We can only hope Prodigy does the same.
"We don't want anyone to die" LOL, that doesn't sound like any Starfleet I know. Like one of Starfleets defining features is that they have long forgotten that mysterious 21st century dark art known as OH&S.
i think they added more escape pods to include the ones on near the bridge is due to the fact that in S1 we loss the USS. Solvang, Rubideux, and Merced. In the Ruibideux and Merced scenarios we know the Crew had to be beamed from the bridges as they were stuck there with no escape pods nearby thus facilitating Starfleet to add bridge pods.
We went from Standard Definition to High Definition, next season - 4K! XD
Why not skip right to 8K ;)
@@power543 where's the fun in that :P
The navigation lights really stand out now, and honestly they're bugging me. There aren't supposed to be sets or red and green on both sides.
Other than that, I like the little changes and improvements
Also kinda cool that they have galaxy class escape pods on the saucer and sovereign style pods on the bridge section
I so hope they get Mariner to comment that the ship looks like a xmas tree and wonder if nobody noticed the lights. :D
I feel like that has to be a joke…
It looks like the 1991 Hallmark TOS ENT which had red and green lights around the saucer.
I'll be honest, I forgot they had a refit and never noticed it on-screen... but that's partly because I never liked the ship design to begin with
See I think they shrunk the windows to expand the official size of the ship... Great... Now my 3d printed model isn't the right scale anymore!
Although I do appreciate the upgrades, improvements and attention that is going into this show, I love it!
Less Rick and Morty like and more ST:TAS evolved to modern animation style. I'd like to suggest that the image style of the show could be from the point of view of the lower deck crew. Their first season everything is surreal, larger than life , ultra glowy and bizarre. Now more experienced their level of description and images are sharper. With the exception of Boimler.. people are complaining on how Captain Riker was behaving. Its not how Riker was behaving.. its how Boimler perceives it. Our camera lens on this era is through the eyes of the lower decks.
Mm. I'm still not liking how the engineering hull connects to the nacelles. The pylons connect to the middle of the nacelles and are then surrounded by the blue glow from the internal engineering of the nacelles. So, how is a turbolift getting to the secondary hull? With the blue glow both above and below where the pylons connect, we can't conclude that the turbolift shafts are merely running ALONG the nacelles; they have to be going THROUGH. Where the internal machinery is.
This bothers me because there's a late TNG episode that firmly establishes that a person jumping into an active warp nacelle gets vaporized. And now they just design a ship to casually have a turbolift shaft running inside the nacelle? Put the pylons on top of the nacelles or (like the pylons connecting the nacelles to the primary saucer) build up the structure around the middle of the engineering hull pylons so the turbolifts have somewhere else to go.
But I'm still not sold on this setup.
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Actually, I just noticed the blue glow doesn't entirely surround the part with the engineering hull pylons; the very back connects to the rear housing of the nacelle. So I guess the turbolift shaft could be going from the saucer section, down the vertical pylons, along (not through) the top of the nacelles, all the way to the ends, and then do a U-turn and go back up the middle to the engineering pylons, and into the engineering hull.
But good God, why would you do that on purpose?
13:56 the thin blue line is the phaser strip, same as the top. The larger black strips are either darker extruded sections, or they’re inset
Next up - U.S.S. MACDUFF NCC-1877...
generally it feels like you switch a tv channel to its HD version for the first time, everything is so much clearer
Thank you for this. I hadn’t noticed any of this. Now I will not be able to unsee it ☺️
Yeah, the red and green, port and starboard deck lights are just wrong, but it's a comedy, so they should have purple ones too, or lights in the windows.
I think they based that on the very first Hallmark ST ornament the NCC-1701 in 1991 which had red and green lights around the saucer.
I miss the TNG warp effect....
since the Cerritos is canon ... im curious as to when they will add it to Star Trek Online's roster
I didn't even notices the changes...
The windows being less bright really does make it seem bigger, this why I appreciate y'all insight
Thanks so much!
pretty good changes, still the struts are too long. half length would've been plenty.
The four radial features on the bottom interspersed in the escape pod ring are not phaser strips. There IS a complete phaser strip running from pylon root to pylon root. The four features are insets in the hull. I don't get why Sam is nodding along with you there - he's modelled the ship (as have I) - he knows!
I think the saucer looks a little too flat-bottomed now - it had more of a belly in season 1, which made the 2 lines of windows more believable. And while the detail bump is great, I have a soft spot for the hull texture in season 1 - maybe I'll come around on that.
The removal of any and all detail from the back of the engineering pod seems like a missed opportunity or an error. The depth to which the window panes have been sunk on the lower saucer robs the ship of some of the dynamism it had in the "Galaxy's Child" gag in the opening sequence.
I'm ambivalent about the changes - on one hand, I'm in favour of the detail bump, the RCS thrusters, the nacelle field grilles, the escape pods added in the refit, and the torpedo launchers, but on the other hand I agree with Capt. Foley that it doesn't quite sit as well with the 2D character animation any more.
I look forward to season 3's refinements with anticipation. I feel like that will be the definitive version of the ship.
I mostly agree with you though I think the removal of the windows on the underside of the saucer actually makes it more three dimensional, the windows never made sense to me, I can see they were going for a Ten Forward look but barring any differing artificial gravity orientation on that deck they would actually be in the floor rather than the wall/ceiling due to how sharp the saucer curves.
The pylons of the class's weakness on season 1 by packled species
Excellent analysis on the differences, guys!! 💙I wish I knew about this channel before working on Project RITOS😬
the dark parts on the saucersection stand out a lot better and theres nice specular reflections everywhere
86st....Appreciate it....the changes are nice/subtle but really Good
The Bay Doors should have a large 1 and 2 painted on them. Having them open with active force fields is very Discovery of them…
I don't think they're necessarily open. We haven't seen them close up enough to say one way or another. The captain and commander said the blue glow is from the force feild, but it could just be a lighting effect to highlight the bay doors. Or it is the field emitter, but it glows all the time, even on standby.
they arent open the emitters are just on standby
To me it just looks darker.
Not better.
Good afternoon Gentleman, NOW of course the NECELLS where ripped of WELL one was so it made sense to beef them up. Your right Commander when ensign Mariner shot over the insect ship we did not see from where the beam come from on the ship. You and the ship people SO I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR and answer to WHY THE the SCINCE and COMMAND California class have BLUE or RED on the top dark gray part of the bridge and Cerritos does not?. It has just a strip on top saucer. Thank you for doing all the work for me, AND YESS I CARE Captain. NOW I am so so made THAT PEOPLE LOOK AND LISTEN you what you have to say and DON'T give a THUMBS UP or down that is disrespectful. AT this time 1,328 views and only 168 likes I think that SAD you always give a informative opinion and insightful information SOME TIME you wonder of course, I don't care for drink time for you or others.
So hoping.... for some Multi-Directional Vector mode? Lol. More Prometheus-nie? It be Awesome!
I thought the Season 2 opening looked better. The only thing I say is problematic is the mixture of RED and GREEN Christmas tree lights.
One side should be red, the other green. The right side (Starboard) is supposed to be green. Hopefully they can fix that for season 3.
I think I prefer the curve of the ventral side of the Saucer from s1. but do like the sensor array from the second season.
Many of the details added enhance the show by showing clearly where things are that we expect to see, but couldn't make out clearly before.
I’m hoping there’s going to be some kind of side gag mentioning the new bridge escape pods.
Boimler: “You know, during development they were originally going to be called Kelvin pods.”
Mariner: “Yo dude, no not in this timeline.”
I wonder if they’ll ever ask you guys to write an episode.
Also I’ll have to wait till Amazon prime, gets season two .
Amazon prime has the first Episode already
@@snonsig2688 oh cool (I check the other day and it wasn’t there) thanks 🙂
Someone needs to tell the writers at Lower Decks to include a scene in which the Cerritos takes a torpedo/phaser hit and rocks fly out of a console, or overhead compartment, and KO a red shirt. THEN they will have nailed the entire spirit of Star Trek. 🤣😂🤣
Oh, also: What are these Captain Freeman blogs you're talking about Capt. Foley? Link?
Subtle and beautiful its like a high resolution render pass or 1080p instead of 475i
Who would really want a single episode where they literally cross into Reality and the voice actors play the characters, Noel Wells looks like her character, they all do to a degree.. IRL in Season 6!!!
Eaglemoss, do your fraking job! I want a Cerritos and a glowing Ransom bobble head.
the subtle addition of length to the Nacelles works nicelly
Looks like they came out "looking all Sovereign-class" anyways 😄
I think it looks fantastic! It looks great but they fucked the blinkies up again though. How hard is it to put green on the starboard side and red on the port side?
So which version does Eaglemoss tackle?
I didn't notice any single change but did feel overall improvement.
I kind of wish they had move the navigation dish to the pylons inside of the Warp nacelles Otherwise I still like to design
It’s so crazy, it feels like season 1 was TAS and season 2 is actual TNG lol I know it’s still animated.
Yes, the side by side made comparisons much easier.
Ship has also now auxiliary bridge under the saucer in the gray area. There is window but is not lighten up.
Shouldn't a _minor refit_ completely change the shape of the hull?
Thank you for this video! Awesome guys!!
When you wanted a remaster but only get HD.
Seems more like production uprated visual details vs a story refit.
It really does look like a utility ship, it's just not a "pretty" design.
Really hope this new model is the base model EM uses for it's model.
Good work. Nice changes. I missed them all.
Am I the only one who is getting rearly attached to that tough old ship somthing about its design makes it feel like a depenable friend, looking forward to seeing more, now if only we could have 20+ episodes of this and just 10 of discovery
Also Fred Tatasciore is still in the credits. Is Shaxs going to have survived somehow, or is he just voicing other characters?
He's said to be voicing another character, they called that out at the end of S1
He could be voicing someone on the Titan
Yes he voices a lotta the additional one scene characters. In the first episode of season 2 he voiced the holographic Cardassian Male guards. The actor is quite versatile.
I like the Parliament class, the starfleet ship that I could see section 31 using and the other ships in the show except for this ship. If the secondary hull was connected to main hull or at least between the pylons to the nacelles I'd love this ship, it just looks wrong and reminds me of the Oberth and the Steamrunner classes to me.
I can except the floaty nacelles from Discovery because they gave it a reason and its so far in the future, I would of expected that by then but this annoys me for some reason plus it adds a window to the bridge which never made sense to me why the bridges never had one
If it is revealed that the design was the middle ground between both classes I already mentioned (don't remember when or if they said the first of this class was launched) I'd like it a bit as evolution throughout the years.
I always kind of thought the bridge was in the middle of secure shielding or a double hull design...
or deep in the ship.... not to be so exposed (I know ship cross-sections tell a different story, but I always thought a layer of small rooms do exist around it)
I WANT A MODEL OF THIS SHIP! GET ON IT, POLAR LIGHTS!
You probably want excess escape pods due to battle damage.
Can we get AMT to make a model kit of the Cerritos? :D
i actually did notice the changes to the ship when i saw it last night.
Well, maybe they watched your show and were like, oh man, the escape pods and the struts, and torpedoes and lights!
They very well may have!
I knew there were changes but I couldn't pin point them
I did not see one change due to the someone's head getting in the way.
I sense a scale model of the ship in the near future.
Love you guys thanks for all you do 🙂
Yes I did notice the changes and love it!
Just one thing about the bottom of the ship, you said that there were four little phaser strips between the life pods. Those are actually indentations into the saucer like behind the bridge module on the top. You can see from the lighting on the upper most rear one that it’s reflected into the ship not out.. There’s a full phaser strip inside the yellow ring outside the pylon struts.
Indeed, Stuart just got mixed up :)
I want to see the Baja refit class 😜
Love the upgrades! 😉
Thank you for the comparison. I could tell they made changes on first viewing, but I just knew Trekyards would be all over it :). Cheers!
The glowies are more glowie!
Awesome vid, guys. Thanks for the great content.
I just now noticed ST: Discovery is streaming in Dolby Vision on Paramount +. The visual upgrade is amazing and I can’t wait to rewatch the whole series this way. So, I had a thought about the updated visuals on ST: LD S2. My guess is S1 was made for original Blu-Ray format (1080p) and S2 in some 4K HDR format. But, just like Discovery, we’re going to have to wait for the release of the 4K UHD discs first before we can stream Lower Decks S2 in Dolby Vision as well. Those blinky lights are going to look even more blinkier.
Cheers!
Beautiful ship!!
6:16 I think in season 1 Mike said "..and then put lights around the shuttlebay doors" and the designer somehow misinterpreted what he meant so he just put LITERAL WINDOWS on the dark hullplating aroud the shuttlebay doors instead of the blue glowing forcefield outline
The 4k rendering?
Fire the torpedoes
I didn't notice most of these on my own, but I did notice that the model has been upgraded with lots more detail.
The windows on the top and bottom are definitely smaller in the new model, not just less bright, which makes the ship feel more like the 600+ meter length that Mike M. says it has.
I hate the Xmas lights. Wish they'd fix that.
Watching the episode the ship felt more real compared to last season. Still thought it looked good last season, this is just better now. I found myself wondering why more of trek wasn't being done by these people.
What if the underneath window sticky out part is like the battle bridge or second bridge if the saucer comes off like you said cap?