Maybe have the Titan come over to help the Cerritos again...only to fail and be in need of rescuing - with the Aventime showing up and Ezri going "huh, seems like I need to cover your ass AGAIN, WILL!" :P
@@mattevans4377 That would be nice, though seeing as Nog's actor has - unfortunately - passed away, I kind of doubt his character might make an appearance. :(
I would love that too. Its all depends on Frakes and Sirtis if they are willing to do so and the keepers of the ST rights would think it's a good idea....I personally am going to order all LD ships when they get released...If Star Trek Titan ever does have its own series...They would seriously have an uptick in developing new merchandise.
That would be amazing! The book series was awesome - there’s a lot of potential with that idea With Boimler being on the Titan now - we’re going to see more of the Titan and the Riker’s next season - but yea, a series would be so good and why not - they branched Pike and the Enterprise off Discovery - why not a Titan AE (After Enterprise) animated series branching off LD The Riker’s in their prime - kicking ass!!!
The TITAN was one of the best Chekov's Gun in Lower Decks. I did a quick search on how many times she was mentioned in LD. Epi 4, Boimler makes a casual remark about her, Fletcher got promoted to the TITAN in Epi 6, and then she shows up in all her jazzy glory in Epi 10! By extension, we can now surmise that the CERRITOS and the TITAN were part of the same fleet assignment. I still want my SANTA ROSITA to show up sporting a Big W.
It was also mentioned earlier in episode 10, when Captain Freeman decides she'll take the _Cerritos_ to investigate the distress signal instead of having the _Titan_ go do it.
Another Chekhov's Gun in LD would be the shuttle Sequoia, which is the shuttle that the Lower Deckers are seen working on from time to time (for instance in Ep. 8, when they talk about Roga Danar and Khan), which Shaxs and Rutherford use in Ep. 10 to reach the Pakled ship.
The reason LD is so much better than the other series is that it give us exactly what we want. Proper references to all the past shows and movies without being ridiculous or derigatory and a good story to follow.
I agree! I myself predicted the worst in the show before even watching it. After watching the first episode, which wasn't that good I still was not convinced it had potential because the comedy was overdone. As I continued to watch it, it was getting better with each episode as well as becoming more serious. The comedy level drops significantly! Animation is on point with background scenery and viewing of the ships. The characters don't look as realistic as the remaining scenery but it passes (the characters look more like bobblehead figures). A huge amount of ships to explore on this show, which I always believed previous Star Trek shows didn't show enough ships. When it comes to displaying ships on this show, The RUclips channel Trekyards really benefit from this and they love it! I'd tell the critics to just watch the whole first season before deciding not to give it a chance. It's not a perfect show. Though, the critics will most likely find out that there is a great deal more positives than negatives within Star Trek LD. Overall, this show has great potential. Star Trek LD is also classified by the creators that it is prime canon. Compared to Discovery and Picard it's far more closer to canon in visuals and etc., fits right in place with all Roddenberry Star Trek shows and movies TNG, DS9, Voyager, ENT, TAS and TOS. I'm actually very impressed with the show, and that means a lot because I'm a very strict grader and the show has to be very intriguing on my behalf. I'm extremely picky with my shows and movies. Yes, there are a few jokes but they don't focus heavily on the humor and it's been kept to a minimum.
Picard is 19 years later. By that time Titan may have been destroyed or decomissioned. And Rikes was admiral by that point. Even if Titan was in active service, it had no ties to Riker anymore. And finally, Riker needed a fleet to go into potential battle scenario. Why would he hop onto a (probably) outdated ship instead of the newest advanced cruiser?
6:23 - Special photon launch effects, USS Titan, 2380. *Headcanon:* The phaser-like pulse from the weapon pod is an experimental *nadion* *enhanced* *photon* *torpedo* *system* (NEPTS) designed for increased photon torpedo effectiveness when engaging shielded targets. The nadions surround the torpedo and weaken the shields of a target before the antimatter payload is triggered. Future iterations may include different nadion arrangements----a focused nadion "spike" leading a torpedo may increase photon torpedo shield penetration; a preprogrammed scatter of the nadions off a specialized proxy-fuse torpedo platform can increase the chances of finding cloaked ships----numerous possibilities. The system is experimental, confining/focusing highly-destructive nadions to an antimatter torpedo may either be too risky to use constantly or too power-hungry to maintain, so a usage protocol is created for the weapon restricting the enhancement rate (which can be, with proper clearance, overridden ofc). For now, the only testing platform is the photon torpedo, zero-point energy and nadion proximity have not been tested yet (quantum torpedos). The system is part of the reason why the Titan "does kick all the ass." That headcanon or some vfx guy took some liberties and I am overthinking, but still, it is just my headcanon since LD takes place in 2380 and there could be new types of advanced, specialized, or experimental photon torpedos we have never seen. [*Btw For those who don't know, nadions are the fictional particle behind the phaser beam's destructive power.]
The one thing I like about the show, the opportunity to see new ships. Good seeing the Titan there...maybe they'll show some love to the Nova class, maybe even show Kim's Rhode Island.
I was hoping for the Titan the second Boimler called out an incoming ship. The perfect payoff after name dropping and teasing it all season. And great to see the Luna-class Titan finally canonized in all its glory.
Yeah, I was as surprised at how much I'm liking LD as when I started watching "The Orville" (Which I thought was gonna be just like a comedy spoof of ST, but ended up being VERY good). The thing that I love most about LD is the freakin' opening sequence. It's inspired, and hilarious!
When I saw some of the Trek RUclipsr's videos smashing it, I was rather pessimisting and about to skip it. However seeing the rather positive reactions from fleet folks in STO, I decided to give it a try - and boy, was that a fun show to watch. Maybe not "ace", but definately worth the time spent. :) A solid 7.5/10 for me.
> Why is an animated series more accurate than a live action? Bit weird. Lower decks almost certainly isn't taken seriously by the brass at CBS, which would explain the apparent latitude they've been afforded in writing and production. Guessing business expectations are low or nonexistent beyond padding out filler Star Trek content to pump All Access viewership, so less micromanaged mediocrity.
I suspect if they could do it over, CBS wouldn't have allowed Bryan Fuller to totally redesign and retcon so much for Discovery but now it's done and we're all stuck with it, at least on the live action end. But with an animated series this could mostly be ignored. It will be very interesting though to see which Enterprise 1701 shows up on LD should they ever choose to depict it.
Lower Decks probably flew under Kurtzman’s radar. The amount of love that is shown for Trek is astounding. If we had gotten Lower Decks after Enterprise fans would have loved it. In the Era of New Trek though it is a refreshing breath of fresh air but many have already written off Trek. LD started slow but ended with the ending that Fans really wanted. I truly love this series.
Not going to lie - I punched the air with glee when the Titan appeared. And it was a good way to slightly (only slightly!) poke fun at the end of Discovery season one, when the Enterprise showed up... only for most of the reaction to go along the lines of: "But... that's not what the Enterprise looks like!"
Except that Titan was designed as a modern ship. Original Connie looks really dated and doesn't fit into the Trek universe. Connie modernisation was needed. Titan needed no modernisation.
I’d love to see an animated Titan series with Frakes, Sirtis, Quaid and Wheaton!! Also, do we think Mike Mcman should serve as Executive Producer on the live action shows? He seems to ‘get’ Star Trek in ways Kurtzman doesn’t necessarily
Love the Luna Class. It's tied with the Excelsior Class in 2nd place as my favorite Starfleet ships. Only the Sovereign Class is higher than both in 1st place. Lower Decks is great and having Riker & Troi come in at the end of the season finale was AWESOME! Love all the new Star Treks! But... really wish that CBS would soften their position on fan films and let the fans create films without the time length constraints.
I'm counting "All Good Things " as well. That's three times Riker has shown up to save the day. And Frakes has now appeared at least once in every Trek series except TOS and Discovery(which can be rectified now via some ancient hologram or flashback if the opportunity arises).
@@TheMrPeteChannel They didn't change that in Picard. That design was changed already in DSC. DSC updated the look of the original Connie, so all shows from now on will use that look. That's being consistent - once they change something, sticking to it.
The live-action series aren’t as accurate because Lower Decks is already “niche”, so they presumably don’t have the same oversight as the main series. The main series aren’t just painfully generic for no reason: I imagine that’s at least partly by design.
If only Riker looked less like Ransom and more like Riker! If they'd matched Riker's hairline and a touch of gray (as how we last saw him in the films), it would have helped define him better in animation.
Minor issues with the green and red navigation lights: If you are seeing the Titan from its starboard side of the ship you should be able to see the green lights on the ships starboard side, and be unable to see the red lights on the ships port side. If you are viewing the Titan, or any ship for that matter, from the port side, this would be reversed and you'd see the red lights and not the green lights. It's all based on the idea that when maneuvering around in close proximity, the ship on the right (starboard) has the right of way and if you're the ship on the right, you'll see green lights on the other ship telling you to proceed. Contrarily, if the other ship is on your right, you'll see red telling you to stop. This is how it works on boats and planes today so I assume that's what they're supposed to be going for with the red and green lights on Star Fleet ships. Klingon ships would have all green lights as they just run right at each other and play chicken to see who gets the right of way.
I have been watching Trek since I could walk. That being said if I had to pick a single minute of Trek as my favorite the Titan coming and saving the day to the TNG theme would win. Yes there are more important scenes and deeper scene. But for shear enjoyment this wins hands down
Why would we need an Akira and Intrepid class when we have the Luna Class? Once this remarkable ship came on to the seen I can see Star Fleet phasing the previous ships mentioned out!
I thought it would be bigger. 😕. (Like the one River captained in “All Good Things”. And they forgot to include the Borg-killer torpedoes. Damn you, Kurtzman!
'Blinkies...' Ah, aircraft style anti-colission lighting. Red on the left side of the ship, green on the right side. Flashing red beacon to indicate active propulsion to observers (because airports are loud), white double-flashing strobes in order to increase visibility from a distance.
i so hate the cut-and-paste fleet in Picard. There is a strength and realism to a diversified fleet. Also, thinking economically, the more ships the more monetization opportunities with merchandise!
Well, one way to look at it is that the Utopia Planitia shipyards were destroyed. That MIGHT have limited the different classes of ships they could build, at least until UP got rebuilt (which, from what I could tell, hasn't happened yet, since "Mars is still on fire to this day". I know the UFP has other shipyards, but UP was one of, if not THE most important ones.
It's a beautiful design and I am so glad it's canon now. I just hope they make a hero version or fleet version of it in the game because the Luna class in STO is pretty weak.
The Luna class has always been my favorite starship design (including the I.S.S. Titan). It is just a great ship design all around. As always, please continue making it so 🖖🏼
They forgot the Ventral Phaser Array!!! They have the Inset Blue Dorsal Phaser array, yet they forgot to make a matching set on the USS Titan model. I hope they fix that for the BluRay release.
Absolutely OTT aztecing on the hull - I love it. Also, in this configuration the pod is clearly a weapons pod as we see a phaser strip on the front firing and torpedoes launching from it. I'm also glad that Boim Boim got his greatest wish :)
@Rising Horizon Gaming Generally, it was one degree of separation from canon. TAS used several things established in TOS (or from its development) - Tribbles, Harry Mudd, sehlats, that Captain April was first captain of 1701, but the movies and the other series weren't bound by 99% of it as canon until they showed something as canon in those forms. I think the only TAS elements that were canon from just about the beginning were some of the Spock/Vulcan backstory (written by DC Fontanna, maybe?) LD did reference TAS a few times over this first season - the image of TAS Kirk & Spock, the Vendorian shape-shifter in the Andorian bar, and ... (I'm trying if LD mentioned giant clone Spock 2 or if that was somebody in a comment box)
@@johnpooky84 it's assumed he is, or that he has been killed when the Maquis went down. He made a non-canon appereance in a videogame, but other than that, nothing.
Why do Next Gen ships have such huge windows? Next Gen ships are much larger than the TOS counter parts. Windows help denote the scale. Enterprise Refit and the Excelsior both have small windows lining the saucer section. You can almost count the decks. You cant do that on next gen ships as easily
The USS Titan is simply a USS Ares class remake with TNG styling cues and an older TOS Miranda roll-bar... Look at the three side by side an tell me I'm wrong.
Bevore i see this ship, i has think "Now comes the Enterprise - E" But no, it was the Titan with Captain Riker. And it was so Awesome! Orchestrated with the TNG Theme was a briliant Idea. And The Titan looks very cool. Not so good like the Akira Class but cool enough. :D i hope, we see in the next Season, the Enterprise or Voyager. ^^
According to the Roddenberry rule, animation isn't canon. Only that which is filmed (key word, not animated) for television or film is canon. I'll take the word of Trek's creator over anyone.
What I liked about the Titan was that not only did they animated the phaser ring correctly, but did anyone else notice that it always fired from the top ring and top ring only? Just like the Enterprise on TNG almost always fired from only1 ring at a time despite having multiple phaser banks. I also agree on the goof on the navigation lights. The centerline navigation lights should definitely white since the red and green tell you which side is right and which is leff and whether the ships is coming or going in relation to you, having white lights in the center (assuming they're only on the dorsal side) tell you whether you're looking at the top of the ship or the bottom.
if you go by registry number starfleet only built 300 ships between the original enterprise and excelsior, but built over then thousand ships between the defiant and the titan. mind you when the excelsior was built the enterprise is said to be forty years old. the titan and defiant can't be more than a decade apart. sorry but for a federation with hundreds of planets pre-dominion war starfleet wasn't much of a fleet.
Shouldn't the Enterprise E or maybe even the F be gliding around somewhere at this time in Star Trek LD. Also, the Intrepid and Galaxy Class ships are considered older ships but I really would like to also see some older model ships on this show. Show us a Freedom Class, NX-Class Explorer, Ambassador and Constitution Class as well! The more ships the better!
Yeah the Quantum torpedo do seem to be coming from the bottom of the secondary hull? When the launchers are above the deflector. Perhaps it was a misleading angle. Anyway, wouldn't be unprecedented, TNG once showed a phaser beam coming from the torpedo launcher, and I just saw a clip of a Miranda class firing phasers from the sensor dome rather than the phaser turret (I think the clip was from the Wolf 359 flashback in DS9's Emissary)
Again - I am frustrated that I can't see Lower Decks over here in the UK. Watching these reviews confirms the hopes that I had for the series before it was released - it's made by people who like Trek and get what makes Trek special - and fun. Comparing what I see in these reviews, compared to the garbage that was Discovery S1 and Picard S1 (both of which I hated)- shows that the animated spoof/comedy is far superior to the live action shows in every way. This is a show I actually want to see - I will not watch Discovery/Picard again and I have zero interest in section 31.
Well, Riker's beautiful command has been upgraded to "Prime" continuity, at least. Canon refers to the legally distinct, pre-schism Star Trek of 1966-2005.
I'll admit THAT's how make an entrance. But as beautiful as the Titan is I'd still consider it's canonicity suspect considering it showed upon "Lower Drecks". If CBS wants us fans to reengage in STAR TREK they need to make a mini series that deals with the Star Fleet time commission and erase the clusterfuck that "Jar Jar" and Kurtzman shat out.
They DID disable the Pakled ships. The Titan blew up the grappling arms and dealt MAJOR damage to the Pakled ships, which is the entire reason the Pakleds retreated. Were you not paying attention to the episode or something?
@@Stingra87 Thanks for your reply, I was paying attention. I would have like to have seen one PAKLED ship disabled THAT MEANS not able to warp away OR even blowup in a ball of flames with pieces flying every where. I think the first ship that the TITAN fired on should have been disabled, as for most targets are the engines and weapons systems.
I literally cheered when the Titan warped in! Yeah, it’s getting ridiculous River keeps saving the day, but in the moment it was awesome! So glad the ship is finally canon now.
My favorite ship of the TNG era and my favorite ship overall. My favorite of the TOS era is it’s predecessor, the USS Ares (from Axanar of course). This style is so much cooler than the Constitution class and it makes so much more sense for combat.
I guess it is true all good things come to those who wait and I guess after waiting for the Luna Class USS Titan to finally become canon is a perfect example. Granted, it took almost 15 later after it was first was designed by Sean Tourangeau in 2005, who entered his concept into a "design the Starship Titan" contest hosted by Simon & Schuster but never-less thank the great bird of the galaxy it has finally happened. 😃 🖖🏽
There is a reason I try to hold back judgement of a series until at least the end of the first season. First couple of episodes I did not care much for the show. They all seemed to be yelling CONSTANTLY and the jokes, well they fell short IMHO. The saying "Before you can fly you must walk'' seems to fit here. I enjoyed the back half of the season and must admit it left me wanting more. If that is not the sign of a good series I don't know what is. That being said I gave Disco 2 seasons and it's just not for me. I may come back later but for now nah. If it works for anyone else, hey I am happy for you and honestly wish I could join you. Picard I liked. Sure it had it's issues and I am Trek enough to admit I dismissed more of it then I would most shows in general. It's Patrick Stewart. It's Jean Luc Picard. If I am to give anyone the immunity idol for a season, it would be him. So I go into Picard S2 optimistic. So ATM current Trek has a 2 outta 3 from me. Least it's better then Star Wars 2 outta 6. Star Trek is fighting back and Star Wars can only go up from here so there is still hope.
Now when it comes to Discovery I believe many people would agree that the number one problem Trek fans have with it is it's placement in time within the prime universe. If Discovery was classified as a Section 31 series, an alternate universe or maybe placed 300 yrs after the events of Voyager it would be more relevant to previous Gene Roddenberry Trek. Even if it was classified as an alternate universe to the Prime universe of the Roddenberry TOS universe, it would be more relevant.
Anyone seen this video? ruclips.net/video/ED-YjeKywZc/видео.html Yeah, this is pretty much it. I just can't find the correct words to descibe what I felt when the scene happened, I think we all know the feeling I'm describing. The way it was done was simply perfect. The mix of beauty shots, mixed with human interaction through the viewscreen. Even the tactics used and outcome of the battle were correct and logical. The Titan was probably still heavily outmatched. I mean, 1vs3 massive ships with up to 33 different weapon systems? But jumping in head first, guns blazing and causing panic and forcing the enemy to run away despite their advantage, that is precisely what should have been done in that situation.
@@Tuskin38 Exactly. People who keep posting this stupid video seem to ignore that Picard is set 20 YEARS after Nemesis. Even Sovereign would be an outdated design by that time. Do people really think that Federation would design no new ships in 20 years? Of that the Federation would not learn and send a hodge-podge fleet of outdated ships to battle? I don't think the Picard scene was particularly great, but this is not an improvement. This edit is pure fanservice with no logic. The best possible version would be a mix of the two - a fleet of the modern advanced cruisers with some screen of these old designs.
While it was nice to see the Titan on screen (big fan of the novels) and I’ll be honest I got goosebumps seeing all the TNG stuff used more effectively than anything Picard did. I just wish it wasn’t saddled with all the baggage Kurtzman brings to it.
@@TalesOfWar Exactly. You can see this very thing in reality. Next time you see a plane fly overhead at night, look up at it and pay attention to the lights. They're arranged that way so that you can always tell which way an aircraft (or vessel) is pointing.
Both Riker and Troi have wedding rings on, nice little detail they could`ve skipped but didn`t. :)
Pffh thats against Starfleet Uniform Policy, Captain is abusing his position!
They even got the Riker siting style
@@watcherzero5256 they can wear jewellery for religious purposes. That why bajoran can wear earrings.
@@DavidKnowles0 Yeah but there is no human religions left by this period in Star Trek, have you seen a single wedding ring in the series?
@@watcherzero5256 actually there is chakotay actively practice his religion. Betazoids practice a religion I believe as well.
I would like to see the USS Aventine with Captain Ezri Dax become canon on lower decks.
I cannot mash the like button hard enough for this comment.
I would like to se lower decks shot out my arse
Maybe have the Titan come over to help the Cerritos again...only to fail and be in need of rescuing - with the Aventime showing up and Ezri going "huh, seems like I need to cover your ass AGAIN, WILL!" :P
The show seems perfect to drop up in side characters in that way. We should see Captain Nog too!
@@mattevans4377 That would be nice, though seeing as Nog's actor has - unfortunately - passed away, I kind of doubt his character might make an appearance. :(
I'd be interested in a Titan animated spin off.
Oh my god, make it so!
I would love that too. Its all depends on Frakes and Sirtis if they are willing to do so and the keepers of the ST rights would think it's a good idea....I personally am going to order all LD ships when they get released...If Star Trek Titan ever does have its own series...They would seriously have an uptick in developing new merchandise.
literally asked for that 10 years ago...
That would be amazing!
The book series was awesome - there’s a lot of potential with that idea
With Boimler being on the Titan now - we’re going to see more of the Titan and the Riker’s next season - but yea, a series would be so good and why not - they branched Pike and the Enterprise off Discovery - why not a Titan AE (After Enterprise) animated series branching off LD
The Riker’s in their prime - kicking ass!!!
You and probably most of the fanbase.
"Riker maneuver is to save the day", nice
And to step over chairs
The TITAN was one of the best Chekov's Gun in Lower Decks. I did a quick search on how many times she was mentioned in LD. Epi 4, Boimler makes a casual remark about her, Fletcher got promoted to the TITAN in Epi 6, and then she shows up in all her jazzy glory in Epi 10! By extension, we can now surmise that the CERRITOS and the TITAN were part of the same fleet assignment. I still want my SANTA ROSITA to show up sporting a Big W.
It was also mentioned earlier in episode 10, when Captain Freeman decides she'll take the _Cerritos_ to investigate the distress signal instead of having the _Titan_ go do it.
Another Chekhov's Gun in LD would be the shuttle Sequoia, which is the shuttle that the Lower Deckers are seen working on from time to time (for instance in Ep. 8, when they talk about Roga Danar and Khan), which Shaxs and Rutherford use in Ep. 10 to reach the Pakled ship.
Sadly Santa Rosita is a fictional California city so we may not get it in California class form. It's a real city in Guatemala though.
Mr. Pete Channel needs 800 subbies! Dang it! There goes me It’s A Mad Mad Mad Mad World reference!
You just know Riker's ready room has a shelf with several horga'hns.
He just has only one. It's a giant one in a shape of a desk mind you.....
When the Titan warped in it was nerdgasmicly mind blowing. Just beautiful.
Id be down for a cgi star trek titan seriea voiced by Frakes of course. Hes too old IRL as shown in picard he's retired. But a cgi show would be epic
But I'd want bvb it a bit more serious than Lower Decks
The reason LD is so much better than the other series is that it give us exactly what we want. Proper references to all the past shows and movies without being ridiculous or derigatory and a good story to follow.
It's Star Trek BY Trekkies, FOR Trekkies. It just happens to be an animated comedy that's pretty darn hilarious.
I agree! I myself predicted the worst in the show before even watching it. After watching the first episode, which wasn't that good I still was not convinced it had potential because the comedy was overdone. As I continued to watch it, it was getting better with each episode as well as becoming more serious. The comedy level drops significantly! Animation is on point with background scenery and viewing of the ships. The characters don't look as realistic as the remaining scenery but it passes (the characters look more like bobblehead figures). A huge amount of ships to explore on this show, which I always believed previous Star Trek shows didn't show enough ships. When it comes to displaying ships on this show, The RUclips channel Trekyards really benefit from this and they love it! I'd tell the critics to just watch the whole first season before deciding not to give it a chance. It's not a perfect show. Though, the critics will most likely find out that there is a great deal more positives than negatives within Star Trek LD. Overall, this show has great potential. Star Trek LD is also classified by the creators that it is prime canon. Compared to Discovery and Picard it's far more closer to canon in visuals and etc., fits right in place with all Roddenberry Star Trek shows and movies TNG, DS9, Voyager, ENT, TAS and TOS. I'm actually very impressed with the show, and that means a lot because I'm a very strict grader and the show has to be very intriguing on my behalf. I'm extremely picky with my shows and movies. Yes, there are a few jokes but they don't focus heavily on the humor and it's been kept to a minimum.
@@Tuskin38 but not in charge of it
Your point?
ok? i find it pretty lame and woke tbh.. but if that works for you
Give me warp factor in 5,6,7,8 punch 🤛 it
Oooh, the Jazz...
Loved the Titan and seeing the Rikkers again. Neat little detail - Will and Deanna are both wearing their wedding rings.
Which is great considering most sitcom, romcom, soap operas, etc.... couples tend to not last more than 1 or 2 seasons 😁
We should have seen the Titan on Picard! The people on that show can CLAIM all they like to know Star Trek but the facts say otherwise!
@@Tuskin38 they do an excellent job of hiding it.
@@Tuskin38 I respect your loyalty to that show even if I don’t understand it.
@Tim Hands Picard feels like it was written by someone who watched a few episodes of TNG and the Abram movies and that's it.
Picard is 19 years later. By that time Titan may have been destroyed or decomissioned. And Rikes was admiral by that point. Even if Titan was in active service, it had no ties to Riker anymore. And finally, Riker needed a fleet to go into potential battle scenario. Why would he hop onto a (probably) outdated ship instead of the newest advanced cruiser?
@@BoroMirraCz OR...the writers of Picard never heard of it!
I have so much respect for Mike Mcmahan for coming on and hanging out with us fans. The show is a hit, so well done. Can't wait for more
If we ever get a Titan spin-off, animated or live-action. Can we please, PLEASE bring back Tim Russ as Tuvok?
Yeah, that's what I want to see. I know Wesley was supposed to be an Engineer on the Titan too, so that would be cool to see.
6:23 - Special photon launch effects, USS Titan, 2380.
*Headcanon:* The phaser-like pulse from the weapon pod is an experimental *nadion* *enhanced* *photon* *torpedo* *system* (NEPTS) designed for increased photon torpedo effectiveness when engaging shielded targets. The nadions surround the torpedo and weaken the shields of a target before the antimatter payload is triggered.
Future iterations may include different nadion arrangements----a focused nadion "spike" leading a torpedo may increase photon torpedo shield penetration; a preprogrammed scatter of the nadions off a specialized proxy-fuse torpedo platform can increase the chances of finding cloaked ships----numerous possibilities.
The system is experimental, confining/focusing highly-destructive nadions to an antimatter torpedo may either be too risky to use constantly or too power-hungry to maintain, so a usage protocol is created for the weapon restricting the enhancement rate (which can be, with proper clearance, overridden ofc). For now, the only testing platform is the photon torpedo, zero-point energy and nadion proximity have not been tested yet (quantum torpedos).
The system is part of the reason why the Titan "does kick all the ass."
That headcanon or some vfx guy took some liberties and I am overthinking, but still, it is just my headcanon since LD takes place in 2380 and there could be new types of advanced, specialized, or experimental photon torpedos we have never seen.
[*Btw For those who don't know, nadions are the fictional particle behind the phaser beam's destructive power.]
The one thing I like about the show, the opportunity to see new ships. Good seeing the Titan there...maybe they'll show some love to the Nova class, maybe even show Kim's Rhode Island.
I was hoping for the Titan the second Boimler called out an incoming ship. The perfect payoff after name dropping and teasing it all season. And great to see the Luna-class Titan finally canonized in all its glory.
Theyshould give the Rikers their own show.
When I went into lower decks, I expected it to be the worst show, I ended up liking it
Yeah, I was as surprised at how much I'm liking LD as when I started watching "The Orville" (Which I thought was gonna be just like a comedy spoof of ST, but ended up being VERY good). The thing that I love most about LD is the freakin' opening sequence. It's inspired, and hilarious!
When I saw some of the Trek RUclipsr's videos smashing it, I was rather pessimisting and about to skip it. However seeing the rather positive reactions from fleet folks in STO, I decided to give it a try - and boy, was that a fun show to watch. Maybe not "ace", but definately worth the time spent. :)
A solid 7.5/10 for me.
I wonder if it's benefitting from a "The Network's attention is elsewhere, lets do cool stuff before they remember we exist!" effect.
> Why is an animated series more accurate than a live action? Bit weird.
Lower decks almost certainly isn't taken seriously by the brass at CBS, which would explain the apparent latitude they've been afforded in writing and production. Guessing business expectations are low or nonexistent beyond padding out filler Star Trek content to pump All Access viewership, so less micromanaged mediocrity.
I suspect if they could do it over, CBS wouldn't have allowed Bryan Fuller to totally redesign and retcon so much for Discovery but now it's done and we're all stuck with it, at least on the live action end. But with an animated series this could mostly be ignored. It will be very interesting though to see which Enterprise 1701 shows up on LD should they ever choose to depict it.
DS9/TNG movie uniforms are the best!
Lower Decks probably flew under Kurtzman’s radar. The amount of love that is shown for Trek is astounding. If we had gotten Lower Decks after Enterprise fans would have loved it. In the Era of New Trek though it is a refreshing breath of fresh air but many have already written off Trek. LD started slow but ended with the ending that Fans really wanted. I truly love this series.
I yelled when I saw it on screen ( ITS CANON ... ITS CANON..)
Fun fact opening music is from Star Trek: Legacy
I said it after Picard's finale and i will say it again, i want a Captain Riker show! ...on the Titan.
Riker in captain's chair: Big Smile!
Riker firing weapons: EVEN BIGGER SMILE!!!
I'd buy this, then buy all my friends this! Gotta love Riker! 😆
Not going to lie - I punched the air with glee when the Titan appeared.
And it was a good way to slightly (only slightly!) poke fun at the end of Discovery season one, when the Enterprise showed up... only for most of the reaction to go along the lines of: "But... that's not what the Enterprise looks like!"
Except that Titan was designed as a modern ship. Original Connie looks really dated and doesn't fit into the Trek universe. Connie modernisation was needed. Titan needed no modernisation.
I loved seeing the Titan (Luna) class become canon, it made my heart sing!🖖
I’d love to see an animated Titan series with Frakes, Sirtis, Quaid and Wheaton!!
Also, do we think Mike Mcman should serve as Executive Producer on the live action shows? He seems to ‘get’ Star Trek in ways Kurtzman doesn’t necessarily
in my eyes Titan has always been cannon, this is just a confirmation. BTW, i think we should have a show with Riker as captain of Titan down the line
"Best introduction to a hero ship" -- ignores Riker in the Enterprise refit that literally saved the universe
Love the Luna Class. It's tied with the Excelsior Class in 2nd place as my favorite Starfleet ships. Only the Sovereign Class is higher than both in 1st place. Lower Decks is great and having Riker & Troi come in at the end of the season finale was AWESOME! Love all the new Star Treks! But... really wish that CBS would soften their position on fan films and let the fans create films without the time length constraints.
They need to release a proper model kit for the Titan and the Cerritos!
I'm counting "All Good Things " as well. That's three times Riker has shown up to save the day. And Frakes has now appeared at least once in every Trek series except TOS and Discovery(which can be rectified now via some ancient hologram or flashback if the opportunity arises).
Nobody remembers TAS...
Was crossing my fingers that they didn't change the design, but then I remembered it wasn't STD or Picard I was watching so nothing to worry about.
@@Tuskin38 Picard showed the Kurtzman Enterprise instead of the Matt Jerffries Enterprise as a hologram. That's a change.
@@TheMrPeteChannel They didn't change that in Picard. That design was changed already in DSC. DSC updated the look of the original Connie, so all shows from now on will use that look. That's being consistent - once they change something, sticking to it.
@@BoroMirraCz Paramount & CBS are merged again so then can use old orginal &.properly canon designs.
@@BoroMirraCz Yet we got TOS in LD.
I really liked the Titan books. Glad its Canon.
#StarTrek #CBS should make Jonathan Frakes the lead producer for all Star Trek! 🖖
The live-action series aren’t as accurate because Lower Decks is already “niche”, so they presumably don’t have the same oversight as the main series. The main series aren’t just painfully generic for no reason: I imagine that’s at least partly by design.
If only Riker looked less like Ransom and more like Riker! If they'd matched Riker's hairline and a touch of gray (as how we last saw him in the films), it would have helped define him better in animation.
Minor issues with the green and red navigation lights: If you are seeing the Titan from its starboard side of the ship you should be able to see the green lights on the ships starboard side, and be unable to see the red lights on the ships port side. If you are viewing the Titan, or any ship for that matter, from the port side, this would be reversed and you'd see the red lights and not the green lights. It's all based on the idea that when maneuvering around in close proximity, the ship on the right (starboard) has the right of way and if you're the ship on the right, you'll see green lights on the other ship telling you to proceed. Contrarily, if the other ship is on your right, you'll see red telling you to stop. This is how it works on boats and planes today so I assume that's what they're supposed to be going for with the red and green lights on Star Fleet ships. Klingon ships would have all green lights as they just run right at each other and play chicken to see who gets the right of way.
The Trekwright Channel from a retired naval guy I agree 100%.
I have been watching Trek since I could walk. That being said if I had to pick a single minute of Trek as my favorite the Titan coming and saving the day to the TNG theme would win. Yes there are more important scenes and deeper scene. But for shear enjoyment this wins hands down
Why would we need an Akira and Intrepid class when we have the Luna Class? Once this remarkable ship came on to the seen I can see Star Fleet phasing the previous ships mentioned out!
Love the USS TITAN 💥👌🏻👍🏻🖖🏻
I thought it would be bigger. 😕. (Like the one River captained in “All Good Things”. And they forgot to include the Borg-killer torpedoes. Damn you, Kurtzman!
'Blinkies...' Ah, aircraft style anti-colission lighting. Red on the left side of the ship, green on the right side. Flashing red beacon to indicate active propulsion to observers (because airports are loud), white double-flashing strobes in order to increase visibility from a distance.
Even spaceships have them (Cygnus, Dragon).
Was amazing to see the Titan! Another great vid guys 🙂🖖
i so hate the cut-and-paste fleet in Picard. There is a strength and realism to a diversified fleet. Also, thinking economically, the more ships the more monetization opportunities with merchandise!
Well, one way to look at it is that the Utopia Planitia shipyards were destroyed. That MIGHT have limited the different classes of ships they could build, at least until UP got rebuilt (which, from what I could tell, hasn't happened yet, since "Mars is still on fire to this day". I know the UFP has other shipyards, but UP was one of, if not THE most important ones.
It's a beautiful design and I am so glad it's canon now. I just hope they make a hero version or fleet version of it in the game because the Luna class in STO is pretty weak.
IT'S THE TITAN! Welcome to Memory Alpha!!!!
The Luna class has always been my favorite starship design (including the I.S.S. Titan). It is just a great ship design all around.
As always, please continue making it so 🖖🏼
They forgot the Ventral Phaser Array!!!
They have the Inset Blue Dorsal Phaser array, yet they forgot to make a matching set on the USS Titan model.
I hope they fix that for the BluRay release.
Absolutely OTT aztecing on the hull - I love it. Also, in this configuration the pod is clearly a weapons pod as we see a phaser strip on the front firing and torpedoes launching from it. I'm also glad that Boim Boim got his greatest wish :)
Geeked out pretty hard for this. Love the bridge, too.
Welp, l guess that means that TOS animated series now should be considered cannon as well?
@Rising Horizon Gaming Generally, it was one degree of separation from canon. TAS used several things established in TOS (or from its development) - Tribbles, Harry Mudd, sehlats, that Captain April was first captain of 1701, but the movies and the other series weren't bound by 99% of it as canon until they showed something as canon in those forms. I think the only TAS elements that were canon from just about the beginning were some of the Spock/Vulcan backstory (written by DC Fontanna, maybe?)
LD did reference TAS a few times over this first season - the image of TAS Kirk & Spock, the Vendorian shape-shifter in the Andorian bar, and ... (I'm trying if LD mentioned giant clone Spock 2 or if that was somebody in a comment box)
I'd love to see Thomas Riker finally being done justice in Lower Decks, after his DS9 appearance.
Isn't he in a Cardassian prison?
@@johnpooky84 it's assumed he is, or that he has been killed when the Maquis went down. He made a non-canon appereance in a videogame, but other than that, nothing.
Why do Next Gen ships have such huge windows? Next Gen ships are much larger than the TOS counter parts. Windows help denote the scale. Enterprise Refit and the Excelsior both have small windows lining the saucer section. You can almost count the decks. You cant do that on next gen ships as easily
The USS Titan is simply a USS Ares class remake with TNG styling cues and an older TOS Miranda roll-bar... Look at the three side by side an tell me I'm wrong.
The Titan bursting in was awesome!
Oh wait, is that Troy to Rikers left? Just realized that because both of them wear wedding rings.
I’m so glad we finally got to see the Titan and she’s as beautiful and sexy as I imagined.
Where's Tuvok?
Bevore i see this ship, i has think "Now comes the Enterprise - E"
But no, it was the Titan with Captain Riker.
And it was so Awesome!
Orchestrated with the TNG Theme was a briliant Idea.
And The Titan looks very cool.
Not so good like the Akira Class but cool enough. :D
i hope, we see in the next Season, the Enterprise or Voyager. ^^
According to the Roddenberry rule, animation isn't canon. Only that which is filmed (key word, not animated) for television or film is canon. I'll take the word of Trek's creator over anyone.
What I liked about the Titan was that not only did they animated the phaser ring correctly, but did anyone else notice that it always fired from the top ring and top ring only? Just like the Enterprise on TNG almost always fired from only1 ring at a time despite having multiple phaser banks.
I also agree on the goof on the navigation lights. The centerline navigation lights should definitely white since the red and green tell you which side is right and which is leff and whether the ships is coming or going in relation to you, having white lights in the center (assuming they're only on the dorsal side) tell you whether you're looking at the top of the ship or the bottom.
if you go by registry number starfleet only built 300 ships between the original enterprise and excelsior, but built over then thousand ships between the defiant and the titan. mind you when the excelsior was built the enterprise is said to be forty years old. the titan and defiant can't be more than a decade apart. sorry but for a federation with hundreds of planets pre-dominion war starfleet wasn't much of a fleet.
Well it is as Canon and we consider animated series as canon :o)
Shouldn't the Enterprise E or maybe even the F be gliding around somewhere at this time in Star Trek LD. Also, the Intrepid and Galaxy Class ships are considered older ships but I really would like to also see some older model ships on this show. Show us a Freedom Class, NX-Class Explorer, Ambassador and Constitution Class as well!
The more ships the better!
All they really need is Patrick Stewart and Michael Dorn to cameo for an episode.
@@Tuskin38
Hopefully, we will get to see a Sovereign Class in Star Trek LD as well!
Yeah the Quantum torpedo do seem to be coming from the bottom of the secondary hull? When the launchers are above the deflector. Perhaps it was a misleading angle. Anyway, wouldn't be unprecedented, TNG once showed a phaser beam coming from the torpedo launcher, and I just saw a clip of a Miranda class firing phasers from the sensor dome rather than the phaser turret (I think the clip was from the Wolf 359 flashback in DS9's Emissary)
The pod is probably a photon torpedo launcher and there's another launcher at the bottom of the titan
Star Trek Online Luna class sucks so bad!!! It's nothing like the original.
Cool but how did Timer land up the other ship. I would to get this ship. Is it on eagle mods collectibles. And how much.
Valid points here and great video. It’s not good when an animated Trek show is more accurate than a live action Trek show.
Makes the Eaglemoss model look dull. Very Tron type of lighting.
I can't quite see Beckett Mariner existing as a member of the canonical Starfleet, though.
I love the Luna class starships ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦
And yet it is no longer canon (i believe) because they changed it in Picard. or am i wrong.
Never, ever go back to Kirk and Spock. That is SO played out!
The Titan may have blast doors for the arboretum.
The question is, does this animated series, unlike Filmation's series, he considered canon?
Asked and answered much earlier, no offense: yes it is.
It is completely canon. That is why the Titan showing up on screen is such a big deal for fans.
Again - I am frustrated that I can't see Lower Decks over here in the UK. Watching these reviews confirms the hopes that I had for the series before it was released - it's made by people who like Trek and get what makes Trek special - and fun. Comparing what I see in these reviews, compared to the garbage that was Discovery S1 and Picard S1 (both of which I hated)- shows that the animated spoof/comedy is far superior to the live action shows in every way. This is a show I actually want to see - I will not watch Discovery/Picard again and I have zero interest in section 31.
Try Dailymotion
USS titan was cannon for a long time before this, it is in star trek online.
The titan has been canon since nemisis and the paper back novels.
It was always cannon its just now cannon in the jj universe
I m bumbed it had to be on lower decks and not Picard
2:53 Is it my imagination, or does the Cerritos have just 1 nacelle? I thought that was against canon.
Normally, it has two. You can see the connection points for the missing second nacelle on the saucer and engineering deck.
I want next season to be on the Titan
Ain’t there 25 % different... ship...
Like an updated nebula class.
It actually pulls most of it's design architecture from the Sovereign class and the Miranda class.
Well, Riker's beautiful command has been upgraded to "Prime" continuity, at least. Canon refers to the legally distinct, pre-schism Star Trek of 1966-2005.
I'll admit THAT's how make an entrance. But as beautiful as the Titan is I'd still consider it's canonicity suspect considering it showed upon "Lower Drecks".
If CBS wants us fans to reengage in STAR TREK they need to make a mini series that deals with the Star Fleet time commission and erase the clusterfuck that "Jar Jar" and Kurtzman shat out.
What th is with our commander wearing LTJG pips?!
All this time, it turns out Commander was actually his first name, his actual RANK was Lt. JG.
Captain Pike appears in NuTrek --> We now have Strange New Worlds.
Riker appears pretty much everywhere in NuTrek --> Star Trek Titan confirmed????
Hi Guys, One question why is it that the USS TITAN 80102 COULD NOT destroy or disable any of the Pakled ships WITH ITS OVER WELMING POWER?.
They DID disable the Pakled ships. The Titan blew up the grappling arms and dealt MAJOR damage to the Pakled ships, which is the entire reason the Pakleds retreated. Were you not paying attention to the episode or something?
@@Stingra87 Thanks for your reply, I was paying attention. I would have like to have seen one PAKLED ship disabled THAT MEANS not able to warp away OR even blowup in a ball of flames with pieces flying every where. I think the first ship that the TITAN fired on should have been disabled, as for most targets are the engines and weapons systems.
I literally cheered when the Titan warped in! Yeah, it’s getting ridiculous River keeps saving the day, but in the moment it was awesome! So glad the ship is finally canon now.
My favorite ship of the TNG era and my favorite ship overall. My favorite of the TOS era is it’s predecessor, the USS Ares (from Axanar of course). This style is so much cooler than the Constitution class and it makes so much more sense for combat.
I guess it is true all good things come to those who wait and I guess after waiting for the Luna Class USS Titan to finally become canon is a perfect example. Granted, it took almost 15 later after it was first was designed by Sean Tourangeau in 2005, who entered his concept into a "design the Starship Titan" contest hosted by Simon & Schuster but never-less thank the great bird of the galaxy it has finally happened. 😃 🖖🏽
There is a reason I try to hold back judgement of a series until at least the end of the first season. First couple of episodes I did not care much for the show. They all seemed to be yelling CONSTANTLY and the jokes, well they fell short IMHO. The saying "Before you can fly you must walk'' seems to fit here. I enjoyed the back half of the season and must admit it left me wanting more. If that is not the sign of a good series I don't know what is.
That being said I gave Disco 2 seasons and it's just not for me. I may come back later but for now nah. If it works for anyone else, hey I am happy for you and honestly wish I could join you. Picard I liked. Sure it had it's issues and I am Trek enough to admit I dismissed more of it then I would most shows in general. It's Patrick Stewart. It's Jean Luc Picard. If I am to give anyone the immunity idol for a season, it would be him. So I go into Picard S2 optimistic.
So ATM current Trek has a 2 outta 3 from me. Least it's better then Star Wars 2 outta 6. Star Trek is fighting back and Star Wars can only go up from here so there is still hope.
Now when it comes to Discovery I believe many people would agree that the number one problem Trek fans have with it is it's placement in time within the prime universe. If Discovery was classified as a Section 31 series, an alternate universe or maybe placed 300 yrs after the events of Voyager it would be more relevant to previous Gene Roddenberry Trek. Even if it was classified as an alternate universe to the Prime universe of the Roddenberry TOS universe, it would be more relevant.
Anyone seen this video?
ruclips.net/video/ED-YjeKywZc/видео.html
Yeah, this is pretty much it. I just can't find the correct words to descibe what I felt when the scene happened, I think we all know the feeling I'm describing. The way it was done was simply perfect. The mix of beauty shots, mixed with human interaction through the viewscreen. Even the tactics used and outcome of the battle were correct and logical. The Titan was probably still heavily outmatched. I mean, 1vs3 massive ships with up to 33 different weapon systems? But jumping in head first, guns blazing and causing panic and forcing the enemy to run away despite their advantage, that is precisely what should have been done in that situation.
@@Tuskin38 Exactly. People who keep posting this stupid video seem to ignore that Picard is set 20 YEARS after Nemesis. Even Sovereign would be an outdated design by that time. Do people really think that Federation would design no new ships in 20 years? Of that the Federation would not learn and send a hodge-podge fleet of outdated ships to battle?
I don't think the Picard scene was particularly great, but this is not an improvement. This edit is pure fanservice with no logic. The best possible version would be a mix of the two - a fleet of the modern advanced cruisers with some screen of these old designs.
While it was nice to see the Titan on screen (big fan of the novels) and I’ll be honest I got goosebumps seeing all the TNG stuff used more effectively than anything Picard did. I just wish it wasn’t saddled with all the baggage Kurtzman brings to it.
That was awesome!
The red lights on the center line could have been for red alert.
Perhaps, but thats never been a thing ever :)
You don't need to tell anyone _outside_ the ship that you're at red alert.
They're based on real naval navigation lights. Red port, starboard green, centre white.
@@TalesOfWar Exactly. You can see this very thing in reality. Next time you see a plane fly overhead at night, look up at it and pay attention to the lights. They're arranged that way so that you can always tell which way an aircraft (or vessel) is pointing.