USS Archimedes - Full Breakdown (Lower Decks)
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This ship feels like the federation rebuilding the fleet after the Dominion war, something they build fast to get the backbone back to strength that was originally filled by the Excelsior class's lost in the war
Well the federation lost hundreds of ships warships and what not to jem'hadar Battlecruisers and battleships
@@sethcourtemanche5738 probably thousands of ships during the war . They lost a third of the combined fleet at cardassia prime final battle.
Makes sense. After the dominion war you have so many damaged and destroyed ships of Miranda and excelsior classes that could be easier and faster refitted and upgraded to strengthen your fleet while you develop new ship designs and begin Testing and so on.
So those two classes were wrecked the hardest the excelsior class is ok and the miranda is absolute shit
I could see this being a testbed for the Sovereign-class engines that also happened to work well enough to be put into production as a discount Sovereign class with simplified build that can be mass-produced while the Sovereign remains the small-production super-ship of the time with all of the best parts and tech.
The ship designs on Lower Decks have been orders of magnitude better that any other recent Trek offering. Love this ship as well as the Parliament class. Can't wait for the Eaglemoss version of both.
Yes.
I quite like the USS discovery but I can see why others dont, I think the rest of the ships from Discovery did fall flat a bit though.
@@seemeslegit3765 The Discovery and the Europa are solid designs, my only complaint of the two would be that they look too advanced for the era.
Yes unfortunately for now hero collector has ended its ship series. I’m still waiting to hear anything on the rocianante and Donnager that was supposed to drop spring of this year
@@willroberts3991 I never really liked the Discovery's design (specifically its exterior). It just clashes too much with the established Star Fleet aesthetic. I do like the design of the ship's interiors. My favorite ship design in Discovery is actually the Ship of the Dead. I liked both its interiors and its overall design. It's likely not a universal opinion, but I found it to be a pretty standout design.
The Star Fleet ships seen in the Picard finale were particularly bad designs. Which is a shame since La Sirena was a pretty sweet design. I suspect that production issues were involved with the uninspired design of those ships. At least I hope so. The Romulan warbirds we see in Picard are also underwhelming but not quite as bad.
Looks like an Excelsior that went through a refit and 'came out looking all Soverign-class' to my amateur eyes. :)
YES!! EXACTLY!!! :)
@@thethirdchimpanzee It's also basically ST: Online's Excalibur-class crossed with the Vesper-class, too.
it makes sense though, its probably originally an excelsior class that had a refit after taking severe damage, and the refit just happened to use technology from the sovereign class because the sovereign is the most advanced ship at the time of this ships retrofit, i wouldn't be surprised if they made an entirely new class based on this refit tbh.
As someone who is a huge fan of the excelsior, seeing this for the first time was so amazing!!
I've been dying to see an Excelsior in action again since I guess Endgame? So seeing this beefed up new "variant" (even though its a new class) made me so happy.
Gotta say I love the full 360 spin they did in the show after it got hit by the shockwave. The differences really stand out there.
I could see why the Excelsior frame design would continue. It may be the right size and layout for the mission profiles it would be on. Like the F15 or B52. 50 and 70 year old (respectively) designs, but very different planes from when the design was new.
Sometimes you just get a design that is right.
It's got the bulk to take a big hit and survive, the short and narrow profile to make it less of a target from the front, and likely has entire shipyards already dedicated to making most of the parts for the frames and would only take some mild changes to the production lines to shift to the new class, while all the fancy internal computers and stuff are likely mass-produced for all ships and can just be added in with ease. Just slap the new Sovereign engines in so it can keep up because a fleet is only as fast as it's slowest ship!
It’s kinda like the Startrek version of the Airbus NEO or Boeings 8 series. They take a proven overall airframe and then add the new engines, new wings, new systems. It’s scaled up to meet the modern wants yet keeps the “If it ain’t Broken”
Sigh. Has everyone forgotten the Ambassador class was built to replace the Excelsior class? Then the Galaxy after that? There are already three generations of "new Excelsiors!" The only one that should continue to be produced/upgraded is the Galaxy, as it is built for a significantly different mission than the Sovereign, and with the Dominion and Borg defeated the Galaxy class may be needed more than the Sovereign class.
@@XTINFILM *Eye roll* Well sorry, yet clearly Star Trek doesn’t work like that. Fact is We SEE Excelsior class ships in canon well into DS9 along side Ambassador and Galaxy class ships. Clearly this ship is Excelsior based so how?
Ambassador class it always seemed to me was meant to make a new niche in the fleet as a means of keeping the peace well the federation poured resources into the Klingon mission during the lost era. When Starfleet was put on a very tight R&D budget even regressive.
Well the bulk of the heavy cruiser mission remained with Excelsior. We see no new ship classes clearly from that era. Ambassador class was probably not built in significant numbers before Nebula class emerged leading to Galaxy.
Galaxy was meant for 10 year missions. Deep in unknown space after the successful Kitomer mission. Galaxy though was cursed as it was the right ship at the wrong time. With the short lived peace of the 2360s followed by the strife of the 2370s. Sovereign emerged as Starfleet was now moving to a defensive bias to deal with all the brush fires.
So where does this come in? Starfleet post war needs ships for a number of missions the Excelsior served well in peace, well in war and was aging out. It needed a workhorse so If it ain’t broke. Updated with tech from the newer ships.
@@XTINFILM the Excelsior design is considered retro so it makes sense for the design to come back
A simpler idea based on real life is that they took the base Excelsion hull, made some mods to come up with the Obena. This is sort of like what the US Navy did to created the Ticonderoga class cruisers, They took a Spruance class destoyer hull, lengthened it, and gave it a new superstructure. This is probably how they got go the Obena, to a degree. It's clearly based on the Excelsior hull but modified because they already know that the basic hull design works so modfiying would be quicker and easier than coming with something from scratch.
But I doubt that it's upascaled though. That doesn't really work in real life. You can't simply take a frigate and scale it up to make a battleship, that doesn't work. What works at one size won't necessarily work larger or smaller And scaling something up means that you have to completely rework the deck layout unless you want decks that are now 2 or 3 ttimes the size of the original.
@@Riceball01 trek has upscaled a number of ships in the past but generally I agree elements of this ship seem to line up with the established class. My original comparison was aviation where airliners have plugs inserted to lengthen the fuselage. The saucer and drive section may have something similar.
A reason perhaps for why the bridge area is so large is that like the Probert Ambassador class the whole bridge assembly may detach into an independent vessel. It would certainly explain why there is an impulse deck attached to the bridge beyond more specific impulse capacity.
My theory on the Archimedes' design is that Starfleet had a bunch of Sovereign-class propulsion systems at the end of the Dominion War, but also the Sovereign is kind of harder to build (because its design is so sleekly integrated and packaged), so Starfleet turned to a scaled-up version of the Excelsior hull to attach those propulsion packages to.
I’m with ya but more of the thinking it’s ships badly damaged in the war yes but still during the war that just haven’t been withdrawn yet but just star fleet just using salvage parts they can use to get the ships in the fight no matter what ship the parts came from.
Like taking the frame of a modern car because they’re available in good supply but throwing a body of a classic car on top because you can’t get the original frame for that car anymore thing also maybe but still I loved the ship! Do more more! Like a defiant in more sovereign style
It's just smart use of modular parts. Starfleet has always used the same nacelles on multiple ships. This was evident from the very beginning with the Constitution-class ships. Even the refit Constitution and Miranda from the movies had the same nacelles. Then the TNG era had Galaxy-class, Nebula-class, and several other classes all using that nacelle. It would make sense that the Sovereign wasn't the only class using its particular nacelle.
The first time since Discovery that Trek shows us a new very beautiful new "canon style" ship.
I have to agree... all the nu trek std ships just feel wrong. Its all wrong in the jar jar abrahms timeline. Idk why they can't make a decent ship design. Almost like it should be on a different scifi series.
Canon style, definitely. Unfortunately this show cannot be Canon just based on the fact that it is a comedy cartoon. But it could be a show that Canon characters watch in universe.
@@Jack_Stafford You're one of those people...
@@tra-viskaiser8737 I think I agree, but I sort of count the Titan, but that did sort of already exist.
Excelsior pylons always bothered me, the L-shape felt like a step back from the diagonal pylons of the Constitution so it's great to see the Obena-class adopt diagonal pylons.
Agreed, also the Galaxy class had that silly 90 degree bend in the struts. Always thought the Excelsior would look better with traditional struts and here we get to see it! It makes sense that you would want the most direct pathway from the warp core to the nacelles, and that dictates a straight strut.
Indeed. The L-shaped pylons always seemed like a deliberate attempt at being inefficient. Running those conduits from the warp core through an L-shaped bend has to involve some kind of ridiculous unnecessary waste of resources to make the contents of those pipes change direction in such an extreme manner! Straight pylons seems like the most logical choice in all cases!
The L-shaped pylons were presumably designed to withstand the greater stresses tremendous accelerations involved with transwarp drive. Just as the the wings of the Douglas DC-3 used a new "multi-cellular, stressed-skin" construction, resulting in a wing of legendary strength and safety,the pylons on the Excelsior-class was a major part of the ship’s longevity,as the struts were likely quite stronger,and thus,longer-lived than expected.
The Archimedes is also based maybe on the USS Ingraham blueprints...
They reached into my brain and took the refit I've been drawing for 30 years.
My head fanon is that the USS Archimedes design is of a ship that is intended to fulfill the role of the Excelsior class. Basically, its class designation is the direct 24th Century successor to the Excelsior's design. My thinking is that we got to the Archimedes design after a number of revisions to the Excelsior's design as new builds were constructed over the decades and new technology incorporated into it. My thinking is that there are like 3 to 5 different builds of the Excelsior's class over its lifetime (analogous to Boeing's various revisions of the 747 design) until technology reached the point where a new class was required.
At which point we get the USS Archimedes. My head fanon is that the Obena class is a post Dominion War or early Dominion War design. Basically, my thinking is that its primary mission is military in nature, with the primary purpose being a combat platform. My guess is that subsequent to the Dominion War, I could see these ships being outfitted with more scientific equipment and labs once the peace is establish (in this case adding the capability to make them better platforms for exploration and research without sacrificing combat capability).
I'd like to think the Excelsior's design has been around over 100 years and not necessarily the ships themselves. It's an efficient and versatile design so why stop building it? The Obena is just the latest version using up to date engines.
Just like the 747 has been around for about 50 years, but not the same planes they keep building new versions using the same essential design.
@@Jack_Stafford 747 production will end in 2022, as improvements in turbofan technology have made 4 engine jets obsolete.
The "new Excelsior" is the Ambassador class, which itself is obsolete by two generations.
McMahan did make a note that the Execlsior Class is still around, they probably already wrote one into season 3
To be honest, I wouldn't have been surprised to see an Excelsior or two in Discovery S3. lol
Not unusual to have ships and aircraft serve for decades. The real Enterprise served from the 60s to the 2010s. The B-52 has been flying since the 50s.
The Nova class had the 'Sovereign' class - esque nacelles as well. Since that class was clearly released at least a year or two before Voyager was launched, it wouldn't have been odd for this ship to have been developed about the same time. The big, oval insignia on the primary hull does suggest a pre-Dominion War construction as well. It might also be that the development, construction issues and so on delayed the ship's release as well? That might explain the older insignia on the hull?
It feels like they had an Excelsior secondary hull left intact after the Dominion war and just used Sovereign warp nacelles and a new design saucer. Then added what the needed to the secondary hull as it lines up quite well on the side profile to the original and would explain how they built up the fleet in a timely fashion after losing so many ships which is exactly what was done during and after ww2 with ships/aircraft/tanks and other vehicles to bolster forces quickly.
I just briefly looked back at the DS9 season 4 episode, "The Way of the Warrior", and near the very end, there is a shot of the Galaxy Class USS Venture docked at DS9. There are 2 very interesting things you will notice:
1) The Galaxy Class USS Venture has an extra structure on top of the warp nacelle's. If you go to Memory Alpha and type in USS Venture and scroll to the bottom, or look up the Galaxy Class, you will find out that those 2 structures are Phaser Arrays. It's the only Galaxy Class ship other than the Improved Enterprise in "All Good Things..." that has those extra Phasers. The Venture was the last physical model DS9 used. All subsequent models were CGI.
2) There is an Excelsior looking starship behind the Venture, but if you look close enough it looks more like an Obena!
I am definitely with Capt. Foley on this one. Never a big fan of the Excelsior, I grew to like it a bit more with the Enterprise-B version but this is where its at. I really like the Obena Class. Nice overview gentlemen!
The US Navy does something call'ed FRAM - Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization. They have pulled old ships out of "reserve fleets" or decomission yards... and "rebuilt them".
in some cases the rebuilds looked almost nothing like the origional ship... in the case of old carriers, having their flight decks changed to angled flight decks with catapults, and such to operate jets. removing of guns for more modern point defense weapons and missiles.
So yeah, after the Dominion war, i can see the federation pulling some of old excelsior out of mothball fleets, bringing some of the old inservice excelsior in, and doing a full modernization program on them.
Obena fixes all the things I didn't like about the excelsior. Those 90° angle pylons just kill it for me lol
love how much effort and care y'all put into these videos...as a fellow trek shiplover I can't click fast enough!
I like the Excelsior class a lot, I also like the Obena class I'm wondering if the Obena class is bigger than the Excelsior, Obena class neck does look great. I always like the sensor extensions on the Enterprise B Hull section makes the ship look far better than the U.S.S Excelsior, i built a model of the U.S.S Excelsior NCC2000 with the sensor extensions as i saw it as a great upgrade for the ship
The Obena class is MASSIVELY bigger than the Excelsior class, easily a good 200-300 meters larger.
@@defies4626 Although I've often felt the Excelsior was bigger than she looked, considering deck height, etc - perhaps even over 533 metres.
But we are approaching Sovereign-scale with the Archimedes, I suspect.
So, with the TNG Era delta on the saucer, and the sovereignty bits... Perhaps this was a highly modified test bed for Sovereign prototyping... But it worked so well Starfleet decided to make it it's own class and put them in production.
Another variant of the Excelsior. Agree there’s enough changes to give it own class name.
Going on window and bridge size I think the Archimedes is a smaller ship, like half the side of the B. They throw the impression by marking out more rows of windows on the saucer, but the area on the B with stipes isn't the full thickness of its saucer while it is on the Archimedes
Depending on you you scale the Cerritos, the minimum size for the Obena-class is about equal to the Excelsior (450 ± 25 meters), and the maximum is OMGWTF huge (~1300 ± 25 meters, literally the largest Federation starship we've ever seen, though the D'deridex-class Warbird exceeds it at 1,410 meters).
Cerritos has an 8-deck thick saucer and each deck including interdeck crawl spaces is about 4 meters (2.5 meters clear height + 1.5 meters crawl space) so my scaling based on saucer thickness to saucer length in the MFD is about 300 ± 25 meters for the saucer and 250 ± 25 meters for the nacelles, so somewhere around 500 ± 50 meters for the whole ship put together, but I've seen estimates as small as 300 and as large as 750 - the latter being Eaglemoss' seriously ridiculous overestimate.
Also, Cetacean Ops is somewhere around 6 decks deep. It is a SERIOUSLY ridiculously high space for how narrow it is. No wonder those belugas are pervs - they're probably BORED!
I get this same feeling. Like maybe they wanted to produce a lot of cruisers quickly, say during after/dominion war, so they start with old standbye Excelsior to speed development, keep the proportions and layout to save on warp geometry engineering work, update the nacelles, adapt a modern saucer layout and put it together to the smallest scale needed to match the minimum performance required. Then churn them out. Sorta like a modern Federation attempt at the mass production of the Galor. Maybe they started, but never fully went this route or changed their mind, so only a few of the production run is out there.
The bridge module is the one place where the scaling cues get messed up - all of the scaling cues EXCEPT the bridge module indicate a ship about on scale with the Sovereign, but that bridge module indicates a ship on-scale with the Constitution; except that would make the scaling to the Cerritos not work!
This was one of my favorite ships i've seen from trek in quite a while
If I had to guess, I'd say it's roughly the size of a Sovereign class or slightly smaller. Definitely much bigger than an Excelsior though. How does this animated series keep upstaging the live action ones?
Less limits with animated stuff, they can do things like grandiose battles, fancy ships, crazy stunts and amazing scenery far easier when nothing needs to look super realistic and no real life elements are involved. Cetecean ops for example would have been very tacky in live action, but animated it works well.
Showing different ships is easier too because you don't need to make a whole set for every bridge and interior shot, just have it animated
Well the animated show is produced by actual Star trek fans, while the live action shows are produced by far leftists who are not fans and are on a mission to debase and destroy all previous mythos.
I think the Archemedies is a "my father's sword" ship. Probably over 100 years old with every part of it slowly changed in repairs and upgrades over the time. It is a perfect first contact ship. I think the badge beneath is there for people to look up in wonder at it from telescopes while it orbits.
I initially thought this was a call back to the line " I hate it when a ship get's repair and comes out looking all soverign class"
I always loved the Enterprise B , this new ship looks great too
Looking at these, the Obena almost feels like a ship that came 'between' the Excelsior-Refit and the Sovereigns, so you see the circular saucer stretch into an oval, the deflector dish changing, and of course those different nacelles.
Thanks for the video, I really like this ship design.
Looks like the Excelsior and the Soverign had a love child.
a love that dare not its name
I believe the Lower Decks production team have said and put out numbers indicating the Cerritos is about 2/3rds-ish the size of the Enterprise-D.
Given the size of the Obena-class in comparison to the California-class, it would have to be much larger than the Excelsior-class ships, and bordering on bigger than the Galaxy-class.
the bit in front of the deflector looks like a STO slipstream generator
It makes sense to have an updated ship class based on the Excelsior. Based on what we've seen on screen, the Excelsior has to be one of, if not the most successful ship designs by Starfleet, given the lifespan and numbers of Excelsior class active well in to TNG. Taking the basic design queues and then updating it with the modern technologies of Starfleet seems like a logical choice and a way to fast track a new line of ships.
The bump in front of the deflector is the quantum torpedo launcher like on the Enterprise-E, the secondary impulse under the main impulse could be for saucer separation, as for the bridge dome being so big is does have an impulse drive so id imagine the bridge is deck one and the impulse drive is on deck two.
to be honest I view the Archimedes as an Excelsior Refit, much like how the Connie was refit towards the end of its life span. there wasn't anything overly wrong with the Excelsior it just needed updating after the end of the war and mass producing Sovereign nacelles and pylons wold have been easy with the production lines already setup
I've always liked the Excelsior, and must say I freaked a bit when I saw the Archimedes. Then I looked closer and was so confused as to what the heck this ship actually is. Thanks for the awesome breakdown, another ship for the Lego fleet!
Love it! The 2nd session is great
Excellent video, I will be when we start seeing fan art and ship orthographs of the Obena class starship Archimedes on Deviantart.
I like it! It looks to me an updated Excelsior design, which looks great.
The ribs and lack of windows on the Excelsior neck make it look like it’s a bendy part that should flex and move; like a toy.
I forget the term in the U.S. Navy, but I think this ship is Class/Batch 3 or 4, of the Excelsior. Same hull, but built with lessons learnt from earlier Batches. They do this often in Navy production runs.
I think the term is block, though batch is used in other navies.
Thing is, IIRC the showrunner straight up said it was a whole new ship, similar in scale to the Ent E.
@@garethfairclough8715 it doesn't make sense to me. Why not design a new ship, instead of copying the Excelsior?
Great video, guys.
Looks like the new version of the Ambassador class concept; an intermediate step between excelsior and sovereign, when ambassador was between excelsior and galaxy
Sweet! Been looking forward to this one.
Take a look at the side profile and from low behind comparison again: I would say the secondary hulls of Excelsior and Obena Class might be the same size, as their basic shape and proportions (not considering the humps and the underslung bit on the Obena) are very similar. It would make perfect sense - McMahan already stated that the Obena is a bigger Ship, and that's what you get, when you scale the secondary hull to the same size as the Excelsiors. It's bigger mainly because of its larger saucer section.
"In Universe" they could actually be of a very similar construction - in other words, the Obena just got a heavily updated and improved and modernized Excelsior secondary, thats what the whole Ship is based upon. Then, they designed a completely new, and significantly bigger saucer section, connecting neck section and new warp naccelles for it... Definitely enough to be a proper new Ship Class :)
out of all parts the nacelle STRUTS are like a perfect hybrid between excelsior and sovereign. nice design
🖖😎👍A very cool and very nice looking starship indeed, You guys did a very great job of informatively explaining and executing everything about this vessel indeed 👌.
Maybe that nubbin in front of the deflector is a quantum slipstream module, like is common on newer STO ships.
I love the new EXCELSIOR class.
This ship is far more similar to The Excelsior than the Enterprise in the motion picture was to the Enterprise from the TV show. Yet people accept almost without exception that it is exactly the same ship even though it is clearly different with different shapes that cannot be reconciled.
And those both are live-action of course, this is just a slightly exaggerated non-canon cartoon version of Excelsior with new struts and nacelles that make more sense without a point was 90° Bend in the strut.
We can't scrutinize small details too much in a cartoon, just like we wouldn't compare the characters to real humans and discuss how skinny the necks are on the show compared to the characters on other Star Trek TV shows.
It's clearly meant to be a cartoonish Excelsior, there are far more similarities than there are differences.
I happen to like the Excelsior refit (NCC-1701-B) a lot, one of my favorite designs.
Man, that still at 14:39, on the right of the new on tumbling... it looks really rough as a still. It's like a screenshot from Bridge Commander!
The creators of Lower Decks have confirmed the new class of ship Obena is a new class ship and it is larger than the standard Excelsior. Assuming there nacelles are the same type (not scaled down version) the ship appears to be in the 600 meter ranges
The front of the secondary hull on the Obena reminds me of, oddly, an old British army Chieftain tank with the "stillbrew" armour upgrade on the front of the turret.
If you look above the deflector, and around it (down until the bulges), you'll notice it sits ever so slightly proud of the bottom of the secondary hull. Almost like it's a big chunk of plating that has been placed on top of the base hull (which could be seen on the bottom)
And you are right, there are far far too many details and things that are almost exactly like the Excelsior just exaggerated a bit by nature of being a cartoon. I don't think they should be comparing so many fine details of a live-action model with a cartoon, just like we wouldn't compare live action actors with their cartoon counterparts with their skinny necks and disproportionate bodies. That's why the show is fun, but it cannot be Canon.
It could be an in-universe show that is watched by Canon characters, kind of like the Orville. But far too many things could never be reconciled with the entire history of Star Trek oh, so much of it is just far too silly because it is a comedy after all. An actual Starship could never operate that way.
Is the saucer larger in diameter with a smaller secondary hull, which would fix all my problems with the excelsior class...
Even though the Lower Decks is something of a parady of classic trek, it does a better job of living up to the Trek history than any of the new shows or movies.
Think of it like this, everybody in and out of the Federation instantly recognizes an Excelsior class and what its purpose is...like a '69 Camaro. But you can only mod it so much before the original frame can't handle the stress. So you build a brand new ship with retro design and structural tweaks to handle the new tech...and bam, Obena class (or '21 Camaro).
So the Obena is just a mid life crisis ship for Starfleet? 😁
It is definitely Excelsior inspired but I agree with you guys. There's enough difference to make it it's own ship anyway. I also agree with Stewart on this too. The Excelsior has never been my favorite. The B really helped the design for me and this new ship also does fix some of the problems I've had. But either way. I do love this ship!
An Excelsior and a Sovereign had a baby.
Two red stripes on both sides of secondary hull are ended with TOS Starfleet delta instead of TNG one.
I love this class… period. Love it. Love it. Love it. … now, among my favorites.
That "bridge dome" would constitute a large conference hall or a small stadium if it really were that size :D
When I first saw it, I wondered if Starfleet did a FRAM (Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization) program like the US Navy did with upgrading WW2 ships.
The bit in front of the deflector looks like the torpedo launcher on the underside of the Enterprise E
This is one of the most beautiful ships in star trek... I love it!
The Excelsior spaceframe is one of the most successful and longest lasting ships Starfleet has ever fielded.
It stands to reason the federation would take what works and replace it by enlarging and modernizing it.
It's sort of like the iteration change between the ambassador and the galaxy
it looks like an update to the excelsior class for this particular time period
Trying to work out how the delta on the bottom of the saucer is lit. Since they changed the number of lights around the sensor dome from six to four the lights are off by 45 degrees.
haven't seen the episode yet, but I remember in the opening of 'Generations' where the new Enterprise-B, the one with Ferris Bueller's best friend played by Alan Ruck plays the Captain of the.......anyways, just saying the unique design feature I noticed was there was a couple of shuttle bay doors that made up part of the 'neck' part of the ship. Hope the Archimedes doesn't follow suit with that feature also. It's like they got rid of the old parking lot space and put some more apartments to replace the more valuable real estate area.
It seems like Starfleet liked the Excelsior but realized as it wasn't survivable in the post Dominion war era. So they took the root design and built a new ship with the old one as a starting point. Love it or hate it. One can't deny that the Excelsior did most of it's jobs well.
For me the class seems like they once again tried to upgrade the Excelsior class but finally reached its end point of it can't be upgraded anymore so because the class did so well, they made a class to resemble it.
The profile shape really reminds me of the Probert ambassador
"I hate it when a ship gets repaired and comes out looking all, Sovereign class."
I dig it.
You guys going to look at the other ships at the end of the show?
My in-world lore is that the designers used the Excelsior silhouette because it's been around for a century, so it's a design that countless species associate with Starfleet and the UFP. It's a brand new ship down to the bones, but they used the shape for recognition purposes. Kind of like how Klingon ships all have the long neck with wings thing, and they have multiple Bird-of-Prey classes of different sizes.
If i remember rightly the ship you showed as a concept for the Enterprise B was named the Ingram Class. Which had many addons and parts changed! Also it was more of a warship. Space control ship? again if memory serves me.
Still i think the Obena Class looks cool :)
Great looking ship
I love this class. They don't need to change anything for me. I would guess the sizing closer to the refit Enterprise or an Ambassador but of course smaller in width at the saucer. I don't mind the Delta. Gives it an Oberth less tactical feel like it's a different division/purpose. I like the idea it's an ambassador's ship which might explain the stripped down appearance. I really like the designs Lower Decks has been coming up with. I wish Paramount would use those designers on the other shows.
I wonder if the Archimedes bridge dome is scaled incorrectly of its supposed to be a huge removable escape pod, explaining the impulse engines looking detail.
The detail in the underside scoop out is actually the same details the the NX excelsior had in front of the shuttle bay.
Finally, someone Sovvy'd the Excelsior design officially
I agree with Stuart, it takes everything that bugged me about the Excelsior and fixes them.
Those nacelles alone do so much for that design.
I agree with allot of what you guys are saying but didn't the Enterprise A get bigger with its refit too?
I love the E so this is great mods. What really stands out to me on the side profile is the improved proportions... More balanced.
The Obena Class is definitely a bigger ship than the Excelsior. For starters, it has 3 rows of windows in the saucer edge (up from 1 on the original Constitution Class, up from 2 on the Constitution Refit and original Excelsior)
Huh. I just assumed it was * yet another * another Excelsior. Glad you guys set the record straight!
I'd love to see these struts and nacels on an Ambassador class!
Seeing this full breakdown, I think maybe if the neck sloped backward more to balance out the forward sweep it would look better on the profile view...and I think the nacelle pylons could have been perhaps more hybridised, maybe with a subtle curve up to the nacelles, instead of just a diagonal (Ent-E) or a right angle (Ent-B).
Also, I think the pimple was them attempting to have the sovereigns sweep up to the saucer torpedo launcher, though it could perhaps have been a little smaller and less pimple like :)
Other than that though, it's a great design, and shows mixing of design elements like some of the old kit bashes (like the New Orleans and Centaur).
My main issues with this class are the weird emblem print on the bottom of the saucer, the 'pimple' by the deflector, the red glowy impulse engine(?) on the bridge, and how short the nacelles are. The nacelles, man. If they were longer it would look fine.
I've never cared for the extended shape on the Ent-B engineering hull. I prefer the "jowls" on this new ship if they want to have some kind of extension. And the huge shuttle bay in the belly actually has a closing door. Was that bay on the Excelsior ever closed?
I like the new design I could easily see it as an overhaul of the excelsior the way the constitution was overhauled that said the Enterprise b/Lakota will always be my favourite
Its a fine refit/redesign.. I only miss that bright blue a white paint job of the original line
Btw, Cap, Sam, IIRC not long after the ep came out, Mike Mc came out and said it was a totally new design that was similar in scale to the Ent-E.
it’s to me a later refit subclass, they designed it to be a later designed Excelsior but with components of new ships of the late TNG era
Aircraft Carrier USS Midway in San Diego looked ridiculously different from commission to decommissioning.
This sort of thing is likely over now and they just churn out new ships to replace old ones
Looks like a clear replacement class for the Excelsior, phaser strips, new deflector and new engines but building on the existing experience making it simpler for ship yards, common ancestor as we have done with ship building.
Clues in to the Sovereign class nicely and likely not many built as dominion war would make the need to jump to the even newer and combat focused ships. The excelsior class was still a main stay and active ship of the dominion war so timings for development and build would be quite close together, another replacement that becomes obsolete and low numbers due to events moving faster than planning.
i really hope that new excelsior lookalike ends up in STO, i cant wait to fly that ship