USS Archer (Saladin Class) - First Look (SNW)
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If you pay attention to the context of the dialogue, the crew of the Enterprise was expecting to find more people on board and were in fact surprised there were only 3.
At first I was quite irked that what appeared to be a full starship only had a crew of 3... But on closer inspection if this saucer is only one deck, then I think this would make sense as a fairly small (60-ish meters long?) scout vessel that could be operated over short ranges by a limited crew of only a few people.
But why have a saucer? Why not just make it a square for the cargo space?
@@voltinator that's juts the star trek style, all ships can't go without a saucer for some reason
@@voltinator because it’s not a cargo vessel? There is a reason why curves are an integral part of of nearly all vehicle design. The square requires extra bracing because is design concentrates both its strengths and weakness while the curve distributes both to a much better degree allow for less reinforcing material be used
@@MrSheckstr They got shuttles for that...
@@ZeroB4NG they got shuttles for that…. I’m sorry but what is the “that”?
My first impression when I saw this was: 23rd century runabout. Bigger than a shuttle, but not a full blown starship.
Also, though, this could be following the concept that was in TNG where old starships get recycled for other uses. In the movie era, you would expect a Miranda or Oberth class ships to be running high level missions. By Picards time, they sometimes have crews of 10 or 20 people and use them to transport cargo. Until the dominion war, the Miranda was basically a big old runabout.
That was my thought, kinda somewhere between a Runabout and an Oberth class, or maybe the Ranger class scout from FASA.
The miranda got a big refit in Picard, although I'm not even sure if the trek fandom considers that Canon
The way I would explain the 3 person crew is that it was mostly automated. TOS featured small automated ships like ore freighters. I like the idea that this was an older scout that was converted to automation to ferry passengers and mission specialists for short range missions in the core Federation area.
I love the star ship, but not the hole in the stands
Automated ships explains SMALL crews on large ships, but there is very little justification for an independent command structure this small. It cannot run for a long duration because humans require a rest cycle one half as long of their waking time. So we are down to being able to only staff 2 two stations continuously, but even that expectation is ridiculously high.
A three person vessel is sufficient for missions lasting a single duty cycle, possible for a couple of duty cycles , but quickly become absurd for any mission lastingly longer than three duty cycles. The USS Archer should be operation out of a static base, or working in shifts with relief teams if not relief ships with a mother ship providing support and supervision. Either way it doesn’t make sense for them to be on a mission where the closest support vessel is still in Drydock with command structure scattered to the winds
Like I said the ship makes sense, but not it’s mission nor it’s support structure.
Whatever you define Starfleet command or management structure, this situation is a huge failure of command or management that planned the mission out.
That being said it’s possible that the Archer HAS both a mother ship and relief teams in the area but protocols do not allow them to break cover in this situation but contact a larger more capable vessel BUT again we run into the problem of why that larger and more capable vessel was not already mission capable
Starfleet military ships do not have 3 crew and automation, only freighter type Starfleet ships have automation.
It could be Hermes-class (a scout) rather than Saladin-class (a destroyer) based on the mission profile.
I liked seeing a Hermes/Saladin but I think it would been really cool given the name and the small crew complement if the ship was one of the Archer-class scouts designed by Masao Okazaki. They were even included in the Vanguard book series which gives the design a certain non-canonical legitimacy.
Yeah thats what memory Alpha says for now
Memory Alpha actually has it listed as a Hermes-class.
Could also be a Nelson Class Scout if you like FASA :)
Agreed. Hermes would be scaled smaller, as the Saladin would need to be larger to take on threats as it's a destroyer, and a scout would be much smaller, and better suited for first contact (like a runabout but older engineers designing it). I would also love to see a thru deck Sallie for fighters ;) very much agree on her scale to the archer class, or even smaller, resulting in the single basic nacelle, cheaper and smaller than the connies, plus her registry suggests an older class. Also would not mind seeing it's shuttle bay interior. Ps i always theorized one bypass of the single nacelle design rule was to use twin staggered warp coils to work like two nacelles sharing one bussard. Kinda like a 3 cylinder truck the Japanese use that and 4wd, it's a smaller output but because of the smaller package they can still move fast enough, meant for more utilitarian purposes vs fast response or the like.
@@DaiAtlus79 First I heard of it. The old Tech Manual has the same sizes for both, and even has a mini shuttle bay on the saucer, if I recall.
Scaling it down would also be atypical practice, since 2009 - ahem.
Registry certainly matches a Hermes-class, anyway.
It's clearly bigger than a shuttle. My guess would be that since runabouts don't exist yet and shuttles presumably don't have the range, endurance, and equipment needed for missions like this, small ships like this are used.
We see it past the Enterprise so it's not *tiny* like a shuttle, and I assume *can* take a notably larger crew, but for small missions like this it doesn't *need* more people.
Which is totally in keeping how Starfleet tends to operate imo. Hell weren't they sending runabouts on survey missions through the wormhole in early DS9? They're happy to send crew compliments that small, I just assume they can't yet make the *ships* that small. And we regularly see large starships being operated short term by one or two people.
3 is probably the min, but if you want any type of bunk time you need 10 personnel to actually maintain the ship even if its of minimalist design for any length of time.
Theory: Maybe its not a 3-person ship in general, maybe it just happend to be crewed by 3 this time. Maybe its more of a 10-20 people vessel with lots of automation going on. So even bigger than a runabout but still considerably smaller than like a frigate.
The Archer to me is strongly linked to the visual language of the Cerritos from Lower Decks.
Like it very much.
Remember Spock says "interesting" before telling us that there's only three crew, so that's probably not entirely normal for this ship.
That heat signature at 4-0-9 appears to be a shuttle, comprising almost a third of the saucer, this coupled with an apparent view screen-window taking up the front of the saucer from the exterior shot indicates this is a small scout like vessel. A shuttle docks into the saucer then used as both the impulse and engineering for the small warp nacelle. A shuttle is short range therefore this is a long-range warp docking unit. The living quarters are probably in front of the shuttle with a viewport along with perhaps a small lab
I feel like it’s supposed to carry more people, but because of the classified nature of the mission, they could only really find/afford to send 3 people on the ship. Probably automated most systems and sent it out for a few days.
Agreed, having only three people as a crew in deep space is a silly prospect in almost all other circumstances.
If a person died during an away mission, accident, or even a heart attack, suddenly you only have two people on a ship in deep space who may not be able to control the ship even with automated systems.
You might lose two people from a space virus, suddenly one person has to do every job on the ship which is impossible.
But as a very specific high sensitivity mission, maybe with other ships within communications range as backup, possibly.
I agree, especially since the crew is a commander and two astrophysicists. You'd think with such a prominent nacelle that it would normally carry at least one engineering officer.
(In practice, even if did have a crew of three it *should* have nine people on board to handle shift rotations)
The Saladin and Hermes Class may not have ever been used in Canon , other than that single background diagram, but there IS a single nacelle ship that has been used.
In the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle the USS Prometheus splits into three vessels with the lower two segments each taking a pair of the four main Nacelles and the upper section having a tiny single pop out nacelle
It might be a great ship for first contact missions. Small and not intimidating.
" Welcome to our budget starship........, the constitution class has more pieces because it costs more."
I prefer first contact with a Borg Cube. Always bring the big stick. Those meetings usually go very pleasant.
When I saw it and saw it was a 3 person ship, I assumed it was like some kind of runabout with enhanced sensors for scientific exploration, hence the spike on the nacelle. The saucer would therefore be a big ring of consoles for all manner of things ranging from navigation to a plethora of scientific analysis.
The nacelle looks like it was inspired by a hybrid of the USS Kelvin and the Enterprise itself. It has elements of the Kelvin’s nacelle in specific areas but has a very distinct shape that is definitely based off the Connie.
I’ve never liked the Saladin. I don’t like the single nacelle look. The only reason I like the Kelvin Is because the secondary hull makes it look more even. But for what it is, they did a good job for the Saladin.
It is not Saladin class! It is scout ship Hermes class!
Be grateful it don't look like a " Disco" style starship.
@@johnbockelie3899 What you gotta act like a jaded ex.
According to memory alpha, this is supposed to be a Hermes class scout ship. As for the small crew, on the surface of the planet only La'an didn't know about Discovery. So, my guess is, the U.S.S. Archer was sent with a small crew who were all read in on the Disco FUBAR, and the ship was mostly run via automation for this special mission.
It's way too small for that.
The scout is 94500 metric tons with a crew size of 20 officers and a crew of 175.
This waste of resources is way too small.
I am more than happy to give you it full stats if you like or you can watch their episode on the Saladin as they covered the scout ship as well.
This is why I love Trekyards
It was my impression that this was a scout ship sent to check out a warp signature in an area that had no know warp capability. Captain Pike and the bridge crew were surprised by the fact that there was only 3 crew members on the Archer.
She's a nice little ship, wish they had found a reason to beam aboard and look around, I would've loved that.
It's not a Saladin class destroyer, It is a Hermes class scout. NCC-627 is from the Hermes group of hull numbers
And sending a Sout ship on a first contact makes more sense than sending a Destroyer
You are wrong, the scout class is 94500 metric tons with a crew compliment of 20 officers and 175 enlisted.
Does that thing even come close to the scout class?
Answer is no.
@@valor1omega and how do you know how big or how small the USS Archer NCC 627 is or is not? There is no way to get a good scale from the episode. Did you ever wonder why Spock was so surprised that there were only three people listed as the entire crew? Besides if you look up Hermes class on Memory Alpha it lists the USS Archer NCC 627.
@@xTheWolfman
It doesn't take a warp specialist to tell it's too small.
Unless you are saying it's
Length is 242 meters
Breadth is 127.1 meters
Height is 60 meters
Primary hull is 127.1 meters
With a crew complement of 20 officers and 175 enlisted
Keep in mind the Original Connie is
190k metric tons
Length of 288.6
Breadth of 127.1
Height of 72.6
Primary hull (saucer section) is 127.1
Sec hull length of 103.6
Sec dia 34.1
Crew of 43 officers and 387 enlisted.
Notice anything about the saucer section of the two?
They are almost identical.
That is how I know that ship is too small.
That one ship in dry dock was definitely a Shepard class.
Agree with you both on everything - love the note about the lower saucer deflector (didn’t catch that myself until you pointed it out!), especially dislike the pointlessly weak nacelle pylon cutout.
I expected the ship to be larger, based on its visual design. But I like the idea of smaller Starfleet vessels for missions like this. Visually it says it's an older ship in this timeline (to me anyway), and I don't mind the oddness of the warp drive supports. Overall it was fun to me, to see new designs in the show - and designs that clearly call back to some TOS era ships. I think it was successful, but like both of you "I have further questions" LOL. Thanks for the review!
If you listen to the reaction of the crew when they only saw 3 crew on manifest indicated the ship at one time had a larger crew.
So when are we getting the Ptolemy and Federation class?
They seemed surprised that there was only 3 people on board… however that was also weird as you’d think the crew roster would be part of the mission briefing. I think it’s bigger than a shuttle with a smaller crew
The cutouts on the saucer are like the Defiant cutouts from discovery.
Im glad this show starts with this ship. Any callback to enterprise is awesome
There was a Ptolemy-class in this episode as well, in the drydock to the left of Enterprise, about 7 minutes in.
I was trying to figure out what that was.
From looking at the ship's slate metallic color and hull plating, I think it's the NX-01 or USS Franklin era version of the Saladin or Destroyer Class ship.
Shuttles had warp in TOS. In "The Menagerie" Kirk and the illusory Mendez follow the Enterprise in a shuttle while the Enterprise was at warp.
Yet in other episodes they explicitly say the shuttles dont have warp.
Its also not nessessarly "warp" in the menagerie...since Kirk is using "fuel" which runs out...thats not a thing with warp AND they think they can catch the Enterprise which if it was going any faster than like warp 4 it would ZOOM past. Kirk would know the top speed of the enterprise is 100x a shuttle and if Spock is actually trying to get to Talos...why would he be going so slow.
So, warp in that episode is debatable given the evidence...but its also ilogical for them to travel sublight...but as i said, other Type F they say are only sublight.
We've had this debate before on the channel haha
@@SGUDistantHope When was it explicitly stated that TOS shuttles don't have warp? Also, "fuel" could refer to antimatter or deuterium.
Huh. That’s a good point. I always assumed a couple of things: firstly, that Enterprise was at warp and the shuttle was pursuing them at impulse (so it’d take them ages to catch up), but those engine pods on the shuttles clearly look like warp nacelles *and* memory alpha clearly states that the Class F shuttlecraft “was capable of matching the speed of a Constitution-class starship at warp“, so I’m obviously misremembering “the menagerie”, and a shuttlecraft would have been perfectly logical for a crew of 3 to use in SNW.
Secondly, that the warp sled for shuttles in TMP was an innovation contemporary with the Enterprise refit (although I’m not sure what I’m basing that on, and I’m clearly wrong based on the Memory Alpha evidence above 😂).
At least this thing looks like a Starfleet ship, even if its size and crew compliment are difficult to reconcile.
Struts are like the Lower Decks ship
Posterior saucer Rear could incorporate a built in shuttle…where the ‘shuttle bay’ is typically located.
Think of like Trek’s version of Jedi Starfighter with hyperdrive loop (SW Ep.2 AOTC). It has a warp nacelle for a shuttle.
I think that this ship is perfect for a small star fleet specific cargo/ re-supply ship. A ship that can be dispatched to deep space explorer ships or small scientific bases with a small crew. The role of a ship like this would be to deliver supplies that can’t be easily created using the technology of the time. For example photon torpedos or specific scientific technologies, also delivering small quantities of supplies where a full transport ship full of supplies would be a waste. It would also explain why we don’t see ships like this anymore with the advent of more advanced replicators they got phased out.
So a small crew on the ship just to get the ship to its destination and transport the cargo over then return to a supply yard. It would make sense why there are no windows on the lower decks if they are only for cargo and just the upper most section was living quarters, command and engineering.
Excellent video as always gentlemen. Thank you for this review of a rather interesting ship.
I think it's a unique take on an early 23rd century runabout. It just happens to have the same saucer-nacelle configuration as the Saladin/Hermes class. I hope we see more of the ship, including the interior and maybe an MSD that answers some of our questions.
The Saladin has been canon since 1982 in TWOK along with the Federation class.
The Franz Joseph ships, the Saladin class was seen on a display screen on either the Motion Picture or The Wrath of Khan
The Scout and Dreadnought class ships are also mentioned by name and NCC in the radio during the Epsilon 9 push in shot in STTMP.
I assume the opening in the front of the hull is the Navigational Deflector.
ooh i was right it is the saladin! I was confused when people were saying it was something else and no one (that I saw) mentioned the saladin class.
Imma kitbash a Round2 Discoprise kit into one of those for sure!
front open part is deflector space
Interesting it has early style hull plating similar to the USS Franklin.
I guess to dip in the front is a one deck window I'm thinking something about two or three times the mass of a runabout. With like a trivial pursuit chease inuurnal layout
Saladin Class destroyers had 15 decks in the saucer and a complement of 150 to 200 crew, although a crew of 100 could manage at a pinch. This isn't one of those ships unless it comes with the M5 computer.
looks like the Jupiter 2 has a TOS (styled) warp nacelle grafted on.
Only 3 people on board, so maybe that era's version of a Runabout?
It's always nice to see more ships to fill out the fleet. I'm glad to see this basic design make it to canon. I'm NOT thrilled by the cut-out, much as it's not a favorite design choice for me in general. In a weird way, for the Enterprise, I think it was a means of trying to have BOTH the popular refit angled struts and the TOS narrow struts on the same ship. Technically speaking, the nacelle doesn't produce much, if any, physical thrust, so very strong attachments might not be necessary. It's also possible that emergency separations for the nacelle is sometimes a possibility?
The small size is a bit of a puzzler as well. There ought to be more than three personnel. Perhaps it's only three officers? Anyway, the Connies were supposed to be giants, most Starfleet ships being smaller, even though ,many beta canon ship designs were drawn from Connie parts. Despite appearances, those 'parts' were probably smaller in scale. Although issues such as shuttlecraft and shuttlebays become hard to fit in the hull, as you say. Very likely, they don't have any shuttlecraft.
She's a nice looking ship.
What really surprised me was that 3 people are apparently enough to control her.
A ship this small would usually be something that is capable of landing on a planet, but the Archer doesn't look as if it could do that at all, so maybe the ship is actually a bit bigger than one would think.
I very much assume this to be some kind of diplomatic vessel, maybe a yacht for Federation officials.
Compared to the rest of the ship the nacelle is quite big, suggesting it having a relatively powerful warp engine for a ship that is otherwise on the smaller side.
Hmmm, I am admittedly curious.
But for our first new ship in the new show I honestly really like the Archer quite a bit.
A Fed Warp shuttle.. using the standard warpfield geometry.. single deck. Warp 5 engine..
Since all shuttlecrafts of TOS have gondolas I assume they are indeed warp capable. I like the fact that they TOS ing the fleet a little with this design. The gondola has some similarities with the Enterprise gondolas. And it feels like TOS. I definitely like the design. Its definitely capable of housing more people but its still a small scout.
it could be either a Saladin or a Hermes, being sister classes.
also, no one said it was a 3 person ship, they said there were only 3 people on board.
Agreed. It’s a small but important distinction a lot of reviewers and commenters seem to be missing. Indeed, it seemed to me the dialogue of the Enterprise bridge crew indicated they expected to find more people and/or casualties on board.
It isn't ether of them.
It's way too small to be one of them.
She deserves a pennant on the nacelle, that's the only knock, so much detail makes it harder for markings, they could have it on the saucer I suppose. What might it look like in white with copper spikes? I don't subscribe to less mass, weaker structure. You can't drive traffic over top of a warehouse the same size as a bridge. That neck looks pretty sturdy to me but yes it does look "unfinished" on a starship that should be making use of any gaps for effeciency sake. I think this design is a win for me overall though.
The ship wasn't large but it did seem too big for a three-person crew. I think it might have something to do with Una being needed there at all. She's not a captain but was still assigned her own ship and crew. It was obviously only meant to be a temporary command, one that required an experienced officer for what was supposed to be a routine first contact mission.
One of my fav ships
The introductory log about notions of first contact resembling science fiction makes me wonder if they've chsoen a ship with a 'flying saucer' aesthetic.
The USS Archer feels like a RunAbout type vessel where it's larger than a shuttle, but smaller than a full size StarShip
I'm leaning towards it being a "Hermes Cass scout" basically similar to the Saladin but less equipped, and in thia case, smaller.
Perhaps it's a type of "Runabout" in TOS styling.
Memory alpha is listing it as a Hermes Class, so very likely you are right
@@BravoOneCharlie
Too small.
At first I thought they really were going to do Axinar! I have the same Maximillian Figure
Keep up the good work guys! 😉
I'm imagining the layout of the Millennium Falcon with a crew of 2. I suppose that could be the case here. Falcon didn't have a lot of windows either.
There was 3 but the Enterprise expected more.
I think the current mentality is TOS stories happened but looked more like SNW, because the visual progression from ENT to DSC to SNW to TMP/TWOK actually feels relatively smooth. They have also consistently referenced the TNG-Nemisis visual continuity correctly in Picard, howver they show the SNW USS Enterprise even in Picard.
I like it, but wish the bussard collector was red - the blue glow makes it look like a JJ-verse ship.
Lots of decent ship pron in SNW!
Instead of a shuttle could it be a cutter type of vessel? Short range missions or in system use only.
Just looking at the picture. The saucer to me looks like it could be as big as the millennium falcons round area. Maybe its that size and two decks tall and the opening is for a single shuttle. So this ship if it's close to the size I imagine it. would probably have about 5 to 10 crew. Captain, first Officer, science officer, helmsman, 2 engineers and maybe one or two other officers who multi task around the ship.
What do you think the cut-out in the front of the saucer is? Phaser array? Sensor pod? Window?
Deflector?
This could be a high-speed courier, but maybe one with enough storage for whatever one would need for a first contact mission?
I'm happier now that you've pointed out the scale, because I was irked that a starship with a full-sized saucer was supposedly run by only 3 people. (Still wondering who was going to beam them back up.)
Love it. Except for the size. What kind of micro warp core do they have in there? Is it some kind of TOS Runabout?
A long time ago in architectural design class I drew out on paper the schematic for what I felt bridged the gap between the runabout and four deck ships the size of the Defiant.
A cross between an oval and arrowhead shape it was two decks high with a bridge deck above a larger residential section with a two deck engineering space aft.
The residential level had a an open common area in the center running for and aft with small double bunk cabins along the port and starboard side. The space between the forward residential area and the engineering space had a central but slight off set to the port side medical and science lab, with both the port and starboard side having a cylinder structure spanning both decks , with a walkway on the starboard that provide access to engineering from residential the medical science lab was partially open to the commons area with panels that could be closed for sound and light discipline, and also had a window into the lower half of the engineering sections.
The starboard side cylinder was mostly filled with the computer core and mission supplies with an access ladder between decks that had a fold down lift assist platform . The starboard side cylinder housed the two emergency escape modules. These modules had a hatch between then so that they too could facilitate travel between decks. This cylinder was the exact same dimensions as the turbo lifts on larger ships and stations and the ship could dock into one of those lifts connecting hatches (I just decided that all Starfleet ship have these )and when docked in such a way the escape modules either slide up or down out of the ship or travel into the turbolift network for temporary storage.
Up on deck one one aft of the bridge area is a multi use “captains ready room” although because these ships are often commanded by Junior officer and sometimes only Chiefs it’s often labeled the Wardroom on official documents and sometimes has a sign calling it the Goat Locker on the engineering side. This room is offset like the medical bay to facilitate the same access to engineering on the starboard side and also has its own door directly into the upper level of engineering. Engineering has a walkway running the circumference of the room with ladders at all four corners and a stair case on its port side and a walkway running for and aft just offset of the centerline. The warp core is installed diagonally along the center line with it upper point at the aft end of the chamber. The port and starboard sides of the space , under the walkway, are the bays for two vacuum capable work bees with enclosed cabins and on the second deck two open cabin vehicle for use in micro gravity with an EV suit or used in an atmosphere with standard gravity. In a pinch the roof panels of engineering can be opened up and two smaller shuttle pods can be stored , one on each side of the warp core, however this requires that engineering be opened up to a vacuum because it lacks the power of environmental force fields. The underside of the ship also has hard points for shuttlecraft and mission pods to be attached around the landing struts that can extend and lock into a longer configuration to accommodate them.
One final design note is a attic type ladder access from the common area to between the opps and con station on the bridge leaving some ships to whimsically label this access the clubhouse with a outline of a Terran rodent’s head for reasons unknown
Should keep in mind that this is at a time the Federation used Duotronics instead of the way smaller isolinear chips we see in TNG. To let this ship do things similar to a later era Runabout i.e. you need quite a bit more space than a shuttle could offer.
Interesting for you to consider it similar to a shuttle. It makes me think of how the tech gets smaller over the years that eventually a runabout will do the same job, and probably more. But how in that Pike era, the tech just can't fit into a shuttle form factor (or shuttles can't accommodate three people long term or whatever)… so they have to make a ship for it.
Is this ship a predecessor of the Oberth? 🤔
That is my thought as well. This is a sort of Oberth / Runnabout predecessor.
@@benhobson3084
Don't insult the Oberth like that.
The Oberth is a better ship.
Feels like a Diplomatic/Courier ship. Given the crews compliment size. I don’t see weapons so definitely a first contact ship.
Maybe a single phaser and a defensive torpedo launcher doesn’t have a reloader and magazine storage? At best it’s tactical mission is to shoot and scoot ….
By the looks of it, this litte ship has a single deck on the saucer, designed to operate on a skeleton crew. I doubt it can go beyond Warp 4. Starfleet tought it'll be a plush ride mission for an experienced officer like Number One, but they miscalculated themselves
The nacelle looks like a lightsaber LOL.
Sigh. The shuttles even back in TOS had warp drive. A Starbase 11 shuttle chases after the warp speed Enterprise in "The Menagerie, Part 1" for chrissakes! And in "Metamorphosis", the shuttle Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Commissioner Hedford are in were traveling interstellar distances to make a rendezvous with the Enterprise.
3 people is odd. If it is a mission specific ship, you would have to think; Individual quarters, storage rooms, a med bay, a shuttle bay, various science labs, engineering/warp core, bridge, impulse area.
I could see this ship being 2-3 decks
Unless this is a short duration vessel then you can get by with three rooms forward command room with some of your observation equipment, central residential room with curtains bunks and rudimentary medical equipment. Rear engineering room with space for various technical activities, storage for relative supplies in all spaces. No shuttle bay but maybe a couple of work bees , a multi use escspe pod, and externally accessible lockers for atmospheric and ground effect vehicles
Perhaps it is this period's version of a Runabout.
Why is everybody assuming that this ship is named after Jonathan Archer? 1. There might be several people, planets, colonies, etc thatz might be named Archer at this point in time, which all might be fit for being a namesake. 2. Somebody like Jonathan Archer most certainly has a ship named after his full name, right? The USS Jonathan Archer.
There was a single nacelled TOS style starship diagram that was shown in the computer when they looked at the bridge console on The search for Spock. Does that make it cannon? Maybe?
Im not familiar with the saladin class but thud does remind me of the tos varient of the apollo class from legacy. Shame they never did anything with that game it was pretty cool
I think the idea is that this thing is a small, short-term research ship, for when you want to have, say, lab facilities you couldn't fit in a shuttlecraft.
Fits with what i was thinking, its the time the Federation still uses Duotronics. With the much smaller Isolinear chips we see in TNG and onward you could probably fit everything that is needed for this ships specific mission into a Runabout, but in this era of ST you would need something bigger for basicly the same role.
I have a serious problem with the concept of a three person ship. Its mission duration range would have to be very short or have the ability to be “parked” on a regular basis. You have to have at least one person on duty all all hours and with a standard 8 out of 24 rest cycle that means you have to have one person on rest at all hours …. So with a three person crew you have to limit its duration to shifts of no longer than I would say 18 hours and have the entire ship be relieved by another ship. This pretty much means this ship can only be assigned to areas with a relief station (which might also explain the lack of windows given this ship has no crew quarters, perhaps just a crew lounge, a break room )
its a cool ship but i am a bit surprised they did not use a shuttle
Could this be the TOS equivalent to the Danube Runabout?
I think I'm going to go with memory Alpha and say it's actually a Hermes class scout... You guys probably know more than me but it would fit better if it was a scout rather than a destroyer because of how small crew was
Memory Alpha has it listed as a Hermes-class (which Franz Joseph designed as a lighter armed version of the Saladin). I don’t recall the episode specifying if it was a Hermes, Saladin, or some other name, so I don’t know if Memory Alpha is right about it being a Hermes, specifically, but that’s what they claim.
One has to understand that memory Alpha is an independent group not directly connected to paramount …. They are the keeps of canon not the creators of canon, to start this moment someone there might have just went with the best possible GUESS
@@MrSheckstr - I agree. Except for them being the keepers of canon. Memory Alpha documents canon, but they have no official authority to be the "keepers" of canon. Their mission is to essentially report what appears on screen and only what appears on screen. However, it's also just like Wikipedia, meaning ANYBODY can edit it. That's why I was questioning whether or not it was "factual" that it was specifically a Hermes-class or not. (Maybe this information was on a computer readout? That would make it canon.) Or it could just as easily be a "rogue editor" who added that without really knowing it to be true.
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If they are stupid enough to call this a Hermes then they lost all credibility.
Just a clarification the amount of crew that it takes to operate a ship has no relation to the size of a ship. Kirk stole the enterprise with a crew of 6. During the episode I got the impression that number one took the ship without permission.
Could be a Hermes Class just saying
It looks great. But how can it ga to Warp, with just 1 nacelle?
I was one of the ones that pushed for that vid a few years ago..... lol
Looking at the crew manifest
ENS. HADAD- Passport photo
LT. KEY- Passport photo
LT. CMDR CHIN-RILEY- Strike a pose
Isn't it just a secondary hull. A Bussard collector is just for hydrogen collection, and doesn't it takes 2 warp engines for warp drive?
to me it's like a long range shuttle/transport.
I wonder if the 3-person crew is a nod to the TAS episode where only 3 people were crewing the cargo ship. Probably total coincidence...but you never know.
The nacelle looks like the Franklin. I like it. The strut is really distracting but that’s probably because the CG they use to skin these new Trek ships is really well, not very good. They needed to introduce some kind structural look so they went with this. I like the real Archer better.
It kind of looks like the Realta class ship from Star Trek Fleet Command
I hope we get to see the enterprise interact with another constitution class
It's a pretty cool ship. I agree that the gaping hole in the neck pylon makes no sense and only three people on board seems very odd as well. That along with the people of that planet reverse engineering technology just by viewing it at a multi light-year distance (which doesn't give them much time to develop anything by the time of this episode) We're the only criticisms I had so far for the new show.
The say the three are on it BUT what is the max for crew on this ship, I wonder Medical and Engineering
Also guys- it's not the first appearance. Believe it or not a Saladin diagram was on the back screens of the Enterprise bridge in TWOK. Hence why memory alpha considers it canon.
Well, yes there are many many ships that appear in only diagrams or lcars BUT this being a "flesh and blood" ship...and also a Discovery variant...makes it a true first appearance :D