USS Stargazer (2401) Detailed Breakdown - (Picard S2)
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I liked the practicality of it. End of season one we got a nice ship, but cut and paste. Here, it feels like they listened to fan feedback and made something that you could feel rather than see. Wasn’t just this ship either, we got a lot of updated designs. Which I appreciate, seems like a lot of work for just one episode. Highly likely we’ll see these ships again.
This ship is Speck! Tack! YOOLAR!!!
Get on it Eaglemoss! You too Polar Lights! (1/1000 scale please) 💯
We are still waiting for the Enterprise F. 🖖🏻
Looks like a seavgion and stargazer
"I hate it when a ship gets repaired and comes out looking all-Sovereign-class.” lol
Maybe after Picard ends we'll get a spinoff with Rios and the Stargazer. I'd have no problem with that
@Raymond Taylor No! Trek must be serialized now! And dark! And violent! Politics!
Yeah... About that...
Seven of Nine is the new Captain of the Stargazer but with her works well for me
The multiple meanings of “star gazer” as it pertains to episode 1 of season two of “Picard” are pretty profound. I’m glad the writers took advantage of that and the production designers are top notch.
I feel this will lead into a Star Trek stargazer show
hmmm that would be interesting, I'd watch it
They have a crew and Picard is supposedly not going to be on much longer.
To paraphrase Anakin Skywalker from Episode 1: "Now this is Star Trek!" 🙂🤓
I'll try spinning, that's a good trick.
Disco: 😐
@@neondemon5137: "I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere."-Discovery producers describing their show. 😂😂
The reason the center section between the top two nacelles in the art images looks familiar is that it looks the entire rear boosters and wings from the G1 Autobot jet fire or AKA a Macross super Valkyrie from Robotech only slightly modified. The original Star Gazer as you mentioned used parts from a Valkyrie model kit. A great nod to the original.
This is the same thing I thought, it looks like the Valkyrie rocket packs to me.
I agree. With the wings out, it looks like it's in the Guardian/GERWALK mode. I wonder if that would that make the two raised sections the torpedo launchers?
this gives me high hopes as it it's a little known fact that they are referencing, so they did research
It's beautiful, but not TOO beautiful for its own good - looks like a functional vessel, rather than something that was designed purely for aesthetics. At some point I'd love to see two Sagan-class variants with only one set of nacelles (top and bottom).
There are few ships in Star Trek I really like, the new Stargazer is one.
The top of the saucer from the preview we saw before the premiere definitely has a Sovereign look. When you pull away and look at the rest of the ship it doesn't.
Agreed
A suspicious amount of work to put into the design and introduction of a ship for a limited series with (presumably) limited screen time. I strongly suspect there's a Stargazer spin-off with Captain Rios in the works and I'm totally down for it.
It would be great and i think we need more casual trek but not like Lower Decks, but something in the middle.
I really hope so
That bridge looked way too expensive (and huge) for a one-off piece.
@@andrewshouse9840 I disagree. They used the Discovery bridge redressed in Season 1. There was too much close shooting in this to get away with the type of recycling.
Watching it on screen the more I watched and saw external shots of the "Stargazer", the more I felt that this design feels to me like an evolution from the "Europa" seen at the beginning of Discovery in the battle of the Binary Stars.
I love the Europa and Nimitz class. Really wasn't in Discovery enough. Would been better if the Europe's design had been used for the Discovery.
Sto ship designers worked with the Picard team I read. Which makes me love it even more.
It kinda looks like its optimised for towing other vessels at warp, easily able to extend its warp field around them.
Excellent observation. My own head cannon for 4 nacelle ships was that they allow for much more complex warp field experiments. Possibly the ability to switch off from one set of coils to another to work out tolerances for engine efficiency without dropping out of warp. Or perhaps to disguise their warp profile?
Beautiful ship and I agree with the Commander's comments in the episode review regarding the Stargazer's ship's crew...as weird as it seems, I felt more attachment to them in their limited screen time to that of the Discovery's crew.
With PIC ending with Season 3 in 2023(?) there's not going to be any live-action show 24th century* representation so I'm calling for Star Trek: Stargazer to step in and give us that!
*Have been reminded below in replies that we're now officially in the 25th century (completely forgot and still can't quite wrap my head around that fact)...but Star Trek: Stargazer should still be the show to take us through it!
Completely agree. And if we get more Rios I'm all for it.
I think maybe because there is more grit in Picard than in Discovery? I love a lot of Discovery but it's very - polished/pristine. Idk...just a thought.
Isn't Picard now 25th century, I thought we'd got to 2401 now.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 You are absolutely right and I stand corrected! 25TH CENTURY live-action representation and I still want Star Trek: Stargazer to step into the breach and make it so! So odd to think that we're officially in the 2400's now and not some extremly brief alternate future representation of it. It really is here to stay now.
Yes! Kurtzman if you're reading this, give a Stargazer show with Rios as captain. The Uniforms, the ships, it finally all looks and feels like Star Trek. Better late than never.
Just watched S2 episode 1 of Picard - a vast improvement over S1. It actually felt like I was watching a brand new live action Star Trek show again. As long as they can keep up this quality I am back on board. I just hope this wasn't the best they could do.
Except for the slitting throats and swearing, yes
I'm glad they have finally realized the STO art team are very good at what they do and have started to utilize their talents.
I think my favourite thing about this ship is in the ready room, there are 3 ship models, a tos looking one, the original ship and this one. I think the mystery one will appear in strange new worlds
The top view design language to some degree reminds me of combination vehicles in anime/games. Sort of reminds me of one of the Galaga clones when the pieces come together in the intro screen. Really works for this version of the Stargazer.
I gotta say that i too was very impressed to see that they listened to us fans about the ship design needed a better effort and then actually doing it properly. This ship works for me in the time frame of the show
I would say that it is a viewscreen on the bridge because when the Borg ship was coming through, the whole screen was flickering and digitally distorted. If it was a window, there would be no distortion.
it's a viewscreen, obviously
To me it combines a slightly post Sovereign saucer with a online main drive section that combines elements of both the Miranda and Maquis raider with other 4-nacelle lineage ships like the Cardenas, Constellation, and the Cheyenne
Do you see that Akira and Luna details? It definitely is a combination
So it took them until the 25th century to call another ship Stargazer.
Yes I agree with you 💯
I hope there jokes about this
The Intrepid class doesn’t have a “forward phaser” strip either, but it can still fire forward.
Yeah, I think that area behind the bridge with the airlocks is a collection of connection hardpoints for docking at a starbase. There are elevator lifts for cargo and shuttles, power and fuel ports, etc.
The mid section of the ship seems almost exactly ripped from the conformal fuel tanks on the F-15QA fighter. Its also seen in the upcoming F-15EX.
4:31 The warp nacelles are inspired by the Section 31 science destroyer, a ship from STO. The ship looks correct because at least the art team of the Star Trek online knows their Star Trek right.
Sto team period knows trek right...the mmo worse stories usually came from them trying to incorporate the disco stuff and even then actually managed to kinda salvage the junk. First time I liked ANY of the more questionable designs or actually started loving them was seeing them in sto
I get a New Orleans class vibe from the nacelle connection to the secondary hull. Reminiscent of the highlighters used for the graveyard left behind from the battle of wolf 359
This is what you get when you ask for a fleet of ships at the start of the season with a fresh FX team with a full budget and straight off their holidays compared to asking them to do a fleet at the end of a season when everyone is tired with the budget probably spent all up.
And it was AWESOME
Taking the top nacelles and mount off this ship would leave a very Parliament style ship, adding a Miranda style roll hoop or akira/luna style pod would also create a cool looking dual nacelle ship. the top mount seems very reminiscent of the U.S.S. Gargarin.
In my head canon, the advantage of four nacelles is less stress on the warp coils and more endurance, at a cost of top speed, or perhaps acceleration. This would be appropriate for a deep exploration vessel.
I get the reference to the Sovereign. Yes, Sam is right when he says that it doesn't feel that much like it, but it's impossible to ignore the panel lines just in front of the saucer.
When you refer to that anime-feel to what was between the nacelle pylons on the top... at first, I thought the La Sirena was docked on the dorsal of the Stargazer, between the warp nacelles.
Obviously not the case after a few more seconds of looking at it, but those twin forward prongs shapes reminded me of La Sirena.
The front view the saucer section reminds me of the NX Enterprise.
I also think the ship can split in 2, just looking more deeply at the shapes how they join.
i thought so too, it has the bumpiness of the NX saucer. my first thought when seeing the front was that it looked like drexler's work
I like 4 nacelle ships and this is one of them, warp nacelles have a great design
This is my new favorite Starfleet ship.
The more I look at it, the better it looks.
Nice video guys.
Little note, I really like that in some shots you can see a Plasma Flow pattern on the Warp Grills.
Looks like the bit behind the bridge has containment field strips too. I'd love to see a scene with crew walking outside the ship there.
11min in that angles got a real Luna Class feel to me.
I love the ship, that being said, the rear section looks like one of the discovery era section 31 ships. It looks like they got rid of the black design and then slapped a sovereign saucer on the front
Saucer reminds me more of a more detailed Exclesior than a Sovereign, definitive lost era vibes of the overall design but modernized.
12:12 the mid section of the nacelle struts gives me heavy Babylon 5 starfury vibes, like they cut n pasted the top right on.. not complaining!
Hello Trekyards.
I have always been a 'fan' of the four nacelle designs. For a good reason. That being that a four nacelle design allows for the best of both previous designs of starships. Even if it does not quite match the total output of those designs.
To clarify, and to understand how I see warp drives working, the 'standard' design's 'high' placement of the nacelles allows for a higher speed warp bubble to be generated around the ship. The mass of the ship is 'lower' inside the warp bubble generated and allows the bubble to be more oval in shape and thus 'speedier'. The other type of 'standard' designs have a 'low' placement of the nacelles (most often seen in Klingon designs). This pushes the central mass of the ship 'higher' inside the warp bubble, allowing the ship to be more 'nimble', and with a higher turning radius per second, which the Klingons would prefer over brute high speed.
The Star Gazer however has the 'best of both worlds' going for it, in that it can 'ramp up' the upper nacelles for better overall speed, and yet ramp up the lower ones when not sprinting for higher mobility. Also, an Enemy would have to disable at least one of each pair of nacelles to prevent the Star Gazer from leaving combat... and even then the Star Gazer should be able to 'connect', with a bit of effort and reprogramming of the nacelle emitters, to connect to the undamaged nacelle available on the other side.
With TWO 'distortion traction' zones between the nacelles, the ship also benefits from the ability to have a robust enough drive system to ensure it's ability to survive combat or other hazards with confidence.
I can only imagine that the ability to 'cross-link' the nacelles to create a 'slanted' connection to the other available nacelle (above or below) would be a 'normal' emergency fall back procedure for the drives.
But, that's all my own 'head cannon'... and may not match your opinions on the matter.
just some thoughts,
spoken Frank-ly
They did a beautiful job with this ship exterior and interior. And I agree does have a sovereign class look to it
For all the details they added to the ship and bridge, I'm sure we'll see it again. 4 engines can work on a chassis provided it looks heavy enough to warrant the extra propulsion. I agree, escape pods are missing and I do agree that the area behind the bridge is some sort of loading dock. I also look at this, and think if the ventral (top) nacelles were removed with the lower ones enlarged, it could also look cool and share silhouette with existing vessels. By design, this ship is certainly a battlecruiser for me.
frankly, the stargazer has the same feeling as the STO Excalibur class which is perfect seeing as it is the exact time that style would be there
The anime you are thinking of is Macross or Robotech. The double jetpack looking thing on back looks like the Veritech JS variable fighter commanded by Rick Hunter. Also Skull Leader, also Jetfire from Transformers. It also has a Lensman feel to it.
I really liked the design to be honest (outside of the change in registry considering they acknowledge the original registry in the episode too). The bridge felt too STO but given they introduced STO ships I can give it a pass. But this is definitely the best design of New Trek by far and I'd love to own a model of it.
The rear portion is reminiscent of the Reliant, extended and squared off instead of just leaving it a saucer like the OG Stargazer.
As for Stewart's missing anime reference: I would suggest the dorsal nacelles of a VF-2SS from Macross II, or a YF-19 from Macross Plus
The (sensor?) nacelles at the base of each pylon look like the engine nacelles of an F-15 or the legs of a Macross fighter.
I’m grateful for the still images because it was hard for me to get a sense of the ship in the episode. Seeing it this way I can see it is a great design.
I really dig the lines on the new Stargazer. I would add that if the upper nacelles and their attachment module what's left of the ship would make a very cool modern era Miranda class ship. The nacelles underneath and the large area just aft of the saucer section looks very similar to Miranda's design.
They're finally getting back on track with ship design, only took 4 years of Disco and 2 years of Picard
Always liked four engine designs, this one looks pretty good.
That center part below the struts looks like the open hanger doors of the venerator class star destroyer from Star Wars clone wars.
Love this ship. Hope we see more Sagan class this series. (They showed the dedication plaque on Twitter and it confirmed its the Sagan class)
I think in the concept images there are more overt airlocks, and shuttle doors and in particular that obvious runabout style platform behind the bridge, because the original stargazer had an absurd amount of shuttlebay doors slapped all over. Nice nod to that, especially if it is a planetary survey ship it would need a lot of sizable landing craft
I bought the Eaglemoss USS Princeton of the Niagara class, and removed the third nacelle. Now, it looks fantastic.
Thanks for the analysis video, love the ship design.
I didn't read everyone's comments but those 2 struts on the front of the saucer section probably remind you of discovery they have that same look in a lot of their ships and stations
I like this ship. It’s extremely reminiscing of the stargazer A from Star Trek online
Quite like it but a couple quibbles:
1) The upper nacelles should be vertically flipped to mirror the lower nacelles. Or at least flip the bussard so they slop back rather than forward
2) Not essential, but I think it would be cool if the aft "chiller grills" were on the dorsal/ventral sides of the nacelles so that there is a visual cue towards vertical line-of-sight like the nacelles of the original Stargazer. Keep the larger forward grills on the side though.
3) One defining feature of the original Stargazer is the number of bay doors... would have been nice if there were some more bay doors on the saucer. Maybe implying it is a "Through carrier"
It's the same Stargazer per Showrunner Terry Matalas. Trekmovie- "A point of clarification. Is Rios’ USS Stargazer an entirely new ship, or a refit of Picard’s original Stargazer? As both were said in the episode."
"Like the TMP Enterprise, it’s a massively updated refit. I like to think of it as the story of the broom: If one day you replace the handle, and another day the brush, is it still the same broom? We thought of it as a vessel endlessly repaired and upgraded, brought in-line with current-future tech, so that somewhere underneath all the lights and polish are the bones of Picard’s original ship. Does it make sense? I don’t know. But I sure like the spirit of it". -Terry
Front view is very predetory like fangs....and I love it.
Very pleasing ship. Not knock your socks off Sovereign or Galaxy class but nice.
Samuel's point about the escape pods does make an interesting idea. In the game Mass Effect 2 the Normandy opened up a plate and fired the pods out and it made for a neat visual.
Excellent ship. Fits into the timeline, for a change.
I see a lot of the Shenzhou in the design. The aft section of the saucer especially. If you take the upper nacelles off, it looks at a lot like it.
The only thing aesthetically I would change is to flip over either the top or bottom nacelles to give to better symmetry.
The yellow section behind the bridge... Worker Bees!
Voyager had side placed phaser strips and still manages to fire forward, the impulse engines of the new stargazer feel a lot like the Clarke class from Sto
My head-canon for 4 nacelled ships is that it's a way of increasing the warp speed of a vessel that doesn't really have a sufficiently powerful warp reactor.
This is based on Picard's comment back in TNG that the Stargazer was underpowered. Perhaps the Constellation class ends up as a 'treaty cruiser' out of the Khitomer Accords. Not allowed a high power core, Starfleet gives it the speed they require by adding nacelles.
The reason all starships don't have 4 nacelles is because it's not cost efficient, and Starfleet usually prefers over-powered vessels for versatility...
And maybe the Cardenas class from early Disco was an early attempt at a warp 8 vessel. Also fits for the Prometheus.
12:28 Gundam-esque backpack. Is probably the feel you are having there, Captain.
I normally don't care for the 4 nacel configuration - but this one is a beauty! I liked it.
The saucer looks like it could detach, almost like a sort of mission pod. Something you could detach and reconnect which would be cool
As Samuel says: "We got a new Ship". Nice Video Trekyards.
The bay behind the bridge mite be for workbees, a central point to launch from.
That center part looks like transformers jet fire back pack. The part of the toy they used for starters 4 for the medical device bones used on Chekov
More of these Nacelles please, the design is so throwback, but new at the same time.
I don't know it looks more like the Cheyenne to me then the Stargazer, Especially from the front. But all I got is the images you're showing here cause I don't watch Picard or Discovery. I was but I just can't be bothered anymore. Nice to hear they are finally giving us Star trek looking ships again in Picard and caring about the details.
If the top section including the top Warp Nacelles separated into a secondary ship would be very ultra awesome.
Stargazer TV Series with Captain Rios after Picard finishes Season 3? YES PLEASE!
Now that they’ve expanded the fleet I hope we see some Parliament and Cali class ships from Lower Decks pop up somewhere in the background
I have it on good authority that the bridge can separate and is equipped with a pair of nacelles tucked into the saucer at right and left.
I see influences of the gagarin, the miranda in the picture at 16:50
I like it, not sure if i find it too boxy tho
Time to see of there is a 3d model I can print out and stick on my shelf.
I like how the design would work with 2 nacelles. Disconnect the top necelles and attachment point and attach a weapons pod or roll bar.
Don't get me wrong I love it I love all of the ships that they've shown us in this opener!
I really liked the ship. It definitely has a nice vibe to it.
17:32 The ship looks like it has 2 warp cores. You can see 2 impulse deflection crystals just forward of where the warp nacelle pylons connect to the saucer. Those are traditionally mounted at the top of a ships warp core. It makes sense though, one warp core for the port engines, one for starboard. First time I've seen that on a starship.
Great looking ship!
I think you hit the nail on the head here: this actually FEELS like a ship that belongs to the post-TNG era, which can be said of a lot of the ships in the episode at a glance. Even the STO ships they brought it in look like they actually belong. That's something I honestly can't say about the ships in the armada from the end of S1. Park those beside the ships in S2E1 and it would stick out like a sore thumb.
Its a nice design. This is the only element of Picard worth looking at.
I just thought finally a ship with some details! I thought the saucer should a bit longer. A few more lights wouldn't go amidst.
This makes me wonder about the navigational deflector(s)---I've seen schematics saying that the deflector in the original Stargazer was on the front of the saucer, but I have my doubts about that...
Great review as ever. I hope you to a review/overview of the Radiant Class (2260's version of the Constellation Class) some day too
Saucer agreed. Especially from the prevew image
I think its probably going to be larger by volume than the sovereign. The top engine mount reminds me on a heavy lift craft from Thunderbirds.
I've seen those nacelle designs in Star Trek ship mods for Bridge Commander and other games decades ago. XD
The top struts look like Starscream's back!!!
I miss the time when a ship came with basically a full manual and design history.
I guess most people do not remember the interactive CDTOM that allowed interactive tours of the Galacy class.
Like the new ship. Though I have to wonder what bright bulb thought incorporating Borg Technology was a good idea.
Voyager did it.
Pure, unabashed perfection.
Your thumbnail of this ship is gorgeous.