The Horrifying Secret of the Starfleet Sagan Class (Starship Breakdown)
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00:12 - Power Creep
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"Who's our greatest enemy?"
"The borg, sir"
"Right...... let's build a ship that uses lots of their technology, nothing bad could ever happen with that......"
We can capture a Borg Cube, slap a Federation insignia on it and call it a Federation Starship. Worked in old Earth literature. A series called Stargate, I believe.
@@ts757arse I mean. Borg tech is actually Federation tech... from the Future. Borg was created by V'Ger, what is classified as Borg Command Ship in STO. Machine Federation is actually what name imply, the question is when? Speaking of that Zora's ordinal ship was a sphere. And who else use ships like that? Probe from future what attack Discovery shuttle also did have tentacles and Control literally quoted Borg.
Jack, you just can’t slap a US Airforce sticker on the side of a Mothership.
@@TheRezro the whole V’ger = Borg thing isn’t actual canon, unfortunately, or at least Alpha canon…it’s presented in STO and some books, but it’s not treated as gospel truth in the proper Alpha canon of TV and movie continuity
What happened to all the Borg defensive tech from voyager that's cannon even tho it's future tech as far as I know the anti Borg armour wasn't reversed engineerd so to me is pure Starfleet tech is that ret coned or a temporal prime directive explainer?
I feel like a lot of people either in the writing room or among the fans are forgetting about Voyager. They studied the Borg for years, found the Hanson records, integrated Borg tech into Voyager, and had more contact with the Borg than any other Federation ship... In yet when discussing the Borg technology in Picard, Voyager is completely left out of the conversation... It's so infuriating for us Voyager fans. For god's sake they put Seven in Picard but act as if Voyager itself doesn't exist.
Do what I do... act as if Star Trek Picard doesn't exist.
Wasn't there also reclaimed Borg in Picard, Hugh was the principle leader of them wasn't he.
Whats Voyager?
@Dawson Davis How about minimally competent writing that actually feels like Star Trek and not crappier off brand Disney Star Wars? I know that is a LOT to ask for...
It's because the writers for Picard are shit.
Well Q was right. Star Fleet wasn't ready to start exploring those new areas of space. The Borg and Dominion dominated the Delta and Gamma Quadrants. Q actually gave them the kick in the butt they really needed. Where if you see in the big picture those dozen lives lost in Q Who, really are just a black eye, compared to the problem of the Borg, and Dominion attacked without the move to militarize starfleet
Q was a "tough love" kind of teacher. But he ultimately did seem to have the Federation's best interests at heart.
I love q. He was such a mischievous wonderful entity
Another way to look at it. Q was a monster. Yes he showed the feds the Borg were a thing. But uhh... That didnt go to well. For everything good about the interaction of Feds and Borgs, there is a lot of bad thrown in too.
Q saw humanity's potential to become a q like species's. He took the dumb kids under his wing and gave them a parental swat or two we needed..
Some say Q caused the Borg Oakley by letting them know the Federation existed. But, I think Q was doing humanity a favour. The Borg were coming, and he was letting Starfleet experience them so they should prepare. We learn in Enterprise that the survivors of First Contact sent a message to the Collective and they would arrive in the 24th century.
But, I also think the Borg never intended to assimilate Earth. They'd have known the result as they had the message. And only ever sent one cube. We know they could have sent a huge fleet and destroyed the Federation. But, I think they let the Federation continue so they should farm tech to assimilate.
The Borg also require drones and don't reproduce as we do, only through assimilation. As Seven days a few times. So it would be illogical assimilate everyone. They'd not only get no new tech, but no new drones, either.
It would make sense. Voyager underwent considerable improvements by retaining a degree of it's assimilation, when they allied with the Borg against Species 8472. Upon returning to Earth, such a melding of Federation and Borg technology would have given Starfleet a better idea of how to better incorporate Borg technology into their own.
Especially as Borg tech has uncanny backward compatibility with Earth technology
@@TheRezro borg tech is probably designed with that in mind, to make assimilation more efficient
Didn't they get their best stuff like the super shielding from the time traveling Starfleet ship?
just wait for the Arachnid class, a ship with four warp cores and eight nacelles.
it did a four month voyage and arrived three weeks before it set out
Given how time travel is treated in some aspects of Trek, this is not impossible.
That's nothing, wait for the Schwab class! It will have nothing and everyone will be happy! 😂😂
Lol the captain on that ship tells his son at Starfleet “Your 16 now… By the time I was 16 I was 23!”
@@pscully1969 We are Schwab resistance is futile ! You better be happy now or you shall be reseted
Keep in mind that the Queen in that instance was Borg Jurati. She had a measure of influence on the Stargazer's design. She had foreknowledge of the ship and likely used that knowledge to her advantage in the encounter. In the end her infiltration wasn't an act of aggression but the closing of a time loop and an act of preservation in regards to the anomaly she used the fleet to seal and ward against.
She also could’ve guided Borg development since the 21st century, although it’s unclear how much her collective interacted with the main one
@@artembentsionov Not much, I imagine as the mainline Borg would try to assimilate them.
@@STSGingie assuming they were aware of them. I would think Queen Jurati would be able to covertly infiltrate the main Collective without letting themselves be known
@@artembentsionov Unimatrix Zero maybe?
@@gaskamp2 that actually sounds plausible. It seems strange that such a convenient place would appear as a result of an error
They had a little discussion about it on BSG. Adm Adama was always adamant about having non-networked, stand-alone stations on Galactica. Look what happened to the Colonial Fleet after the Cylons trashed it.
Lmao. When I first heard about the network fleet formation system in Picard, I imagined Adm Adama going : "You got to be fracking kidding me. You guys are centuries more advanced than us, and yet you still made such a dumb mistake."
Could you cover Starfleet Academy - more specifically, the steps needed to get accepted into the academy during the TNG era and how it most likely changed during the Dominion War since they needed bodies fast.
Also, explain how Reg Barclay didn't wash out based solely on psych evaluations.
@@daniels7907 I think they let it slide on account of his I.Q.
Not all starfleet personnel go`s to the Academy. There are multiple ways to enter Starfleet. All of the Federation member worlds have their own version of the Academy. The NCO`s don't go to the Academy to enlist into Starfleet
Most likely nothing much changed. The US service academy requirements didn’t during WWII, they compressed the training to 3.5 years but otherwise it was the same. Immediate officer needs were met thru direct commissions and OCS.
I love the design of this ship I wish they were using it as the hero ship for next season would have liked to see more of it lol and I totally agree about the interior asthesics being emo in this era lol I miss the carpeted hallways and see your point about going from one design extreme to another
"Every Captain needs an ego"
My ROTC colonel called this the 'I love me wall' and that sounds right.
I always thought the thin neck on the Constitution Class was a huge weakness, also it is like a table with one leg, that ship would fall over and a planets gravity would snap that neck, so I’m glad the Sagan Class does not have such a weakness.
Also considering the warp core literally runs up that neck right beside the photon torpedo storage and launchers.
Realistically the Reliant should have detonated the Enterprise in Mutara during the phase strike along the beck.
@@DanteYuy The warp core is literally in the neck, that Constitution Class should be a cloud of metal shards and meat after getting shot by the USS Reliant in The Wrath Of Khan, also I can see why they would decommission the Constitution Class Enterprise, it has multiple design flaws.
@@DanteYuy there is no warp core in the neck. It's entirely located in main hull
@@muffin_the_great It actually is... plus photon torpedo launcher. The main issue is that Constitution was not designed with TMP era warp cores in mind. It was pick purely because symbolical nature of Enterprise. But in hindsight warp core in TMP refit was horribly exposed, when in original TOS variant it was fit horizontally and embedded deeper in secondary hull.
@@muffin_the_great With the Refitted Constitution Class the warp core ran through the neck in vertical position going from ventral to dorsal in a thin neck that says shoot me please. While with the original Constitution Class the core was horizontal and was in front of the main shuttle bay for some reason, it depends on the model real.
Haha the Crazy Vorta "... turns rocks into replicators" thanks for the video!!!
The USS ProtoStar has two warp cores and a protostar core, this ship basically has 3 cores per warp nacelle, the third being hidden and apart of the stardrive section. The USS ProtoStar can travel from Quadrant to Quadrant in less then a day if I remember correctly.
The Protostar travels in huge leaps, followed by a long cool-down. (Its mission was to go to the Delta Quadrant, look around, then come back in a far shorter time than seven years.) By using a lot of conventional warp cores, I suspect the Sagan class might travel more slowly (Warp 9.999...) but maintain a steady pace.
Yeah but the whole protostar thing is just some nonsense invented by writers with no scientific advisors. A protostar is a gas cloud that's condensed and is beginning to heat up. It's on the verge of collapsing into a star that can sustain fusion. There's some fusion already going on but I think it's mostly lithium fusion (aneutronic, I believe) similar to a brown dwarf. Not H and He nucleosynthesis like in main sequence stars.
In short the energy output would be less than that of a 200 year old fusion reactor (in the Star Trek timeline). So unless an, umm "gas cloud on the verge of stellar collapse" releases magic, the protostar drive is like packing a Tesla with Baghdad batteries. Though the energy difference is even greater than that. More like detonating a Black Cat firework in the place of the Castle Bravo test.
@@ericalbers4867 Just because it's called a "Protostar core", it does not mean it behaves like a protostar. Similar to how the Enterprise -D was a galaxy class but did not span the galaxy. It's a name, nothing more. Until they really explain how the protostar core works in episodes, all we have is guesses.
@@ronbouley4616 the babe of a ship class is far different than the typical concept of naming a technology based on what it is. Like quantum LED. Quantum dots, light emitting diodes. Nuclear reactor, fusion reactor. Things like that. Rather than a Ford Mustang.. it's obviously not a horse. Or the USS Arizona - obviously not in Arizona or a state. Technology is usually named after what it is or does. Also I believe in that show they even said it "contains a protostar" or something to that degree.
@@ericalbers4867 Yes technically a ProtoStar is a Brown Dwarf which is massive, and guess what Jupiter is a failed star so Jupiter is technically a protostar. Stars start off as Gas Giants the more mass it gets the hotter it becomes, according to Universe Sand Box it takes 72 Jupiters that are highly pressurize in to one orb to create a red Dwarf . Well it took a guy on RUclips playing Universe Sand Box 72 Jupiters to make a small star, a red dwarf if you will. So in real life a ProtoStar would not fit inside a tiny starship.
Great video happy to see that you are still able to get these bad boys out. And because of the nuance of a Picard or Janeway that's why the Federation will ultimately lose. Because when dealing with the Borg you don't just need to a big stick if not a bigger stick than them, you to be full Kirk or Beckett and a gun behind your back, up your sleeve, a knife in your belt buckle, and a grenade in your boot. Because while the Borg can adapt to energy weapons they can't block let alone dodge bullets or bladed weapons. So remember kids the next yime the Borg board your ship drop your phasers and go full Rambo or Conan rhe barbarian on them.
That was the case until Borg cubes started blow up like firecrackers. Federation basically hacked the Borg.
Actually you need a smart stick. A big stick will just wake up the hive and they will send thousands of Borg cubes to assimilate in overwhelming numbers, unless you are immune from assimilation.
You need a smart stick that is able to pin point the Borg weakness and use it. Like Data accessing the Borg system and putting the cube into sleep mode, or admiral Janeway infecting the Borg with a virus.
Conventional naval vessels are designed to make the jobs of the crew as stress free as possible apart from the necessary stresses of battle when it happens.
The bridge *should* resemble an efficient and low-stress work environment, but that doesn't work with the rules of drama.
So we get a bridge that has some innate tension to it, which is good for the show but is very unrealistic if we assume that Starfleet is designing ships intended to be commanded by humans for maximum human efficiency.
Of course, given the inevitable variation in Federation species, it is reasonable to expect that Starfleet ships would have internal environments adjustable for optimal operation by crews of all member species
The federation should be very careful when it comes to upgrading their tech to make more powerful gear.
They should be more familiar with the Warf effect than anyone else in the universe at this point, with the possible exception of Warf himself.
The survivors of the Citadel from Mass Effect might have some things to say to Starfleet about the drawbacks of basing your entire technology tree around your enemies' stolen tech...
Glyph in star trek!?
Sometimes I wonder if the Shadow Broker knew about the Reapers and was indoctrinated, also, if an enemy bent on killing you offer good choices for both of you, you know there's something with that, so I always went for destruction ending, lol
@@douglasaranda2010 the shadow broker was from a race that would have been left alone by the reapers due to being too primitive, helping the reapers would have left it the asari of the next cycle once it had uplifted the rest of its race, all it had to do was stay hidden
@@nosama001 Good point, also if Virgil and its peers passed under the radar with all that tech, honestly I think that the SB would also make it, since its base was so well hidden that it took a lot for Liara to discover it, even with the help of Cerberus
Leading more and more to the idea that the collective is just an evolution of humanity from the far future that grandfather paradoxes itself in an attempt to assimilate the galaxy earlier than they had. Fun stuff, great video.
And saying that it's 'Borg' technology, is essentially saying that it's a distillation of ALL the technology the Borg has assimilated throughout their entire existence!
I also liked that the Borg never seemed to bother with cloaking, did they? It was a cool idea that the Borg was 'confident' enough to not even bother with 'stealth', and just overwhelmed their targets!
yeah stealth is only good if you can't catch, exhaust or overpower your prey wihtout excess energy. The Borg can do all 3 without issue, and if they can't borg probes can do the job
They probably have the tech, but their usage case would be very different. If they aren't using it to fight you chances are they know they don't need to. They may well use it for other applications like reconnaissance, I've suspected that by the time they shoe up on screen they have the ability to assimilate nearly all life in the galaxy but few remaining species actually have something to offer. So they have gone from a predatory style to an agricultural style of assimilation. Instead of simply looming for advanced races they go about poking and prodding at potential groups in order to stimulate them to develop new technology and unique cultural adaptations that the Borg can then assimilate in overwhelming numbers.
The mysterious events reported along Federation and Romulan space in season 2 may well have been advance Borg brobing, looking for a population that is suitable for cultivation.
@@DrewLSsix which kinda blew up in their face, part of the reason they were so fanscinated with picard for a while
Nice to see you back Mate!
I think it’s freakin cool how it shows that Starfleet utilizes from there enemies, great initiative and ingenuity!
But
It also shows you shouldn’t be to dependent on Technology!
And know what you are installing
@@LoreReloaded Quoting Federation Security and Control protocol from century prior to event: "Resistance is futile" Borg tech is really not the problem here. It is who mad the Borg on the first place.
U mean like the Borg🤔
With the Sagan Class I would install 2 warp cores, with a lot of safeties like valves within EPS conduits that close within 0.01 seconds to prevent a chain reacting explosion from reaching the warp cores.
What's next consoles not loaded with explodium? preposterous.
@@ADMNtek Yeah that’s dumb and a huge design flaw, if your consoles explode do to a chain reaction of explosions though out the ship then that means you would have to ground every ship and go back to the drawing board to fix such a flaw. Some kind of chain reactor explosion prevention valve that closes within 0.001 seconds or just not have your console fuelled by Plasma. Man people in the future are still stupid if they keep on building ships like that, in real life every ship would be grounded and people would go back to the drawing board like I said earlier.
@@ADMNtek Making sure your consoles don’t explode in peoples faces.
@@emperorofscelnar8443 pretty sure Mickel was just joking
Voyager and the literal delta flyer are the prototype for using borg technology
"So I've got this brilliant idea. The borg are living technology, so lets take the equivalent of their living tissue, sew it into our ships, and hope it doesn't infect us."
"Brilliant sir"
good timing I just got this ship in STO
Did the queen get access to the computer because there was Borg technology aboard, or because it was Jurati and she knew Starfleet computers (and possibly some command codes) from memory? Or maybe even some timey-wimey paradox stiuff because she remembered how her future self hacked the system.
or did they simply absorb technology that allows them to control vessel. The Voth for example could shut down voyager computers with no efforts.
@@DavidKnowles0 To be fair, the Voth weapon was more like a dampening charge (like the Breen had), but yeah there are so many other explanations and "Borg technology" could mean anything. If the Chinese steal the design for an American jet engine turbine and use it on their airplanes that obviously doesn't automatically give the Americans a way to hack the flight computers on those planes.
lores back! finally have someone to mess with again. lol.
For real, though, I hope things are going well, bro.
The Star Trek series have over the years displayed an amazing lack of basic controls that every company uses for its accounting departments. As an accountant you are often amazed by the fact that they cannot seem to learn from other disciplines.
It's pronounced Say-Gun not Sah-Gon. After the American Astronomer Carl Sagan.
0:42 I want to defend my research engineer bubba's here concerning the Breen weapon. Just because Kira dropped the Breen weapon in their lap did not magically inspire them. The more accepted logic is as follows since the Klingon vessels were immune to the weapon that provided the starting point for the research. Differing technology for power transfer between klingon and starfleet they had already been working the problem for some months they already had a working theory on how the weapon worked and were in prototyping and testing ideas. BOOM working version of weapon shows up this only accelerates the prototype countermeasures to it. This was not a unsolvable problem without the actual weapon.
2:08 Sagan class is likely named after Carl Sagan so it's pronounced "Say-gen"
It's just something Lore does, mispronouncing stuff in every video intentionally. Drives me freaking crazy too. I usually have to stop watching his videos after that every time. Such a troll.
USS Saigon
I know he’s claimed to have wanted to annoy Californians with the Cerritos, but who among the Sagan-appreciators has earned his ire?
@Lore Reloaded - Sagan is pronounced SAY-GHEN not SAY-GONE. Carl Sagan is the astronomer who the ship was named after- as a content creator you are doing a great job, paying attention to a lot of detail- remember pronunciation checks as well. A lot of channels don't bother, especially history-related ones, and it's quite jarring to hear well-known names mispronounced. You seem like the kinda guy who cares more about getting detail right, so I thought I would comment in the spirit of helpfulness
power to weight ratio matters, in space you can push something at 1:1 ratio if you are not attached to it .. if attached to it you feel your own ships mass .. early warp used separate warp ships that got left behind so youo had limited number. so quad nacels are faster basedon self mass/weight factor of space. starships were Xwings as well
I like how they named a ship using alien technology after an astronomer who said we would probably never find aliens.
He’s alive!
did they ever incorporate metaphasic shielding?
i really like this version. the og version seemed too plain for all that ship, this has some fine details if you look close, i specially like the impulse engines basically the support struts for the warp engines. and i always ahted the necks of fed ships this is more akin to my style
Not sure if anybody asked this already or not, but if the Borg could hack a vessel with Borg tech on board; why didn't they do it to Voyager or at least the Delta Flyer?
I mean, having some kind of firewall to prevent that sort of thing would be a smart move but then again, this wasn't just the Borg this was Jurati so she already had more than enough information about the Stargazer and it's systems to simply do what she wanted with it and the entire fleet. I don't know that the vanilla Borg would have that advantage.
you forgot the tech obtained byly adm janeway and her shennanigans. dark color from into darkness...Vengeance. four warp nacelles probably harken to the old days of higher than 10 warp, it can also be assumed that starfleet reworked the warp scale yet again to add higher than 10 warps but as you know are just subs of 9.99999 on.
New scale where every extra decimal 9 just becomes the next notch up
@@kaitlyn__L lol
The shields are simple multi layered, adaptive, covariant, multi-phasic, regenerative, temporal type. Nothing fancy.
I'd have expected the multiple nacelles to be indicative of the ship having multi vector attack mode.
I like that in Star Trek lore humans aren’t just “average” with the other races being min-maxed humans.
We’re engineers.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every way shape and form and detail provided by you indeed on the use of Borg technology with in Starfleet starship's, And on how truly how much of a horrible and truly illogical idea that this actually is and how the technology can truly be used against them in more ways than one due to their own arrogance mind set indeed!,🤔.
I love Star Trek!
What happened to the ablative armor from Voyager? It seems like a reasonable addition to a Federation Starship, especially one from this class of ship. Also, being Borg reverse engineered, it may also have self healing panels and advanced phasers which auto adapt to Borg shield harmonics. And with Annika Hansen's experience and her parents logs, it would appear Starfleet took their research and observations to heart. Also, we have to remember that the Borg don't necessarily invent, their technology is mostly based on the assimilated species and their advancements.
And with that being said, Starfleet also is that way as well, but prefer peaceful exchanges of knowledge and culture and that does include technology. But to Starfleet's advantage, they actually can take a technology and either adapt it, like the Borg do. Or they can improve and advance it even further. It would have been interesting to see a Starfleet ship adapted to say, Iconian technology or even the technology of the Berserkers with their planet killers. Or even in some ways MUCH worse like adapting the Krenim Imperium temporal ship that Annorax commanded, or Undine biotechnology (Species 8472).
you can't give that kind of firepower to the entire fleet, the Borg WILL ADAPT
@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Actually Undine technology is best for outright destroying the Borg. They were good at it, but Undine biotech is extremely advanced and may not be compatible with Federation tech. But the Undine is the only technology the Borg could not adapt to. If it wasn't for Janeway, the Borg would have met defeat at the hands of the Undine, as they used a type of nanite to give the Borg an edge.
While they have to deal with the Borg, as a fan of the original series as a kid and short term employee of Gene R in 1981, ships like this is starting reflecting the mentality more along the lines of Star WARS, NOT Star TREK whose priority is and should be exploration and defense.
What a title! The horrifying secret of... Maaan Greek Tragedy, 😅😅😅👏
The ugly part is no variable geometry pylons, so it looks like a BIG X-Wing🤓🖖🤭
The bigger question: WTF is "Borg Technology!?"
They're a gestalt, they take from every species and culture they encounter, absorbing what they deem useful and chucking what they don't. When you reverse engineer "Borg Tech" the end conclusion should be a bunch of disparate parts somehow bolted together, and THAT should be the useful part, the software, or AI, or Driver language that allows two or more pieces of tech designed in different corners of the galaxy to work together.
Starfleet wasn't exactly "given" the Breen weapon from their allies. Kira, Odo, and Garek stole it from the Dominion on Starfleet's behalf.
"Based on borg technology" doesn't mean you can instantly take over it. It's still a unique system. Most tanks now are based on Nazi designs from WW2 in some way but that doesn't mean Germany could take over them. I hate when they do that in entertainment.
I like the dark look. Beats the crap out of beige and burnt orange.
Looks like you called it. 🎉 The Borg, not even once.
During the cold war both the US and UK installed capture Soviet technology into there militaries the same way the Soviets installed capture western war technology into there military. Janeway installed capture Borg technology into Voyager
The four warp nacelles configuration is not based on the Prometheus class, but the Constellation class. The first ship class with four warp nacelles was the Constellation class in the late 23rd century. Prometheus inherits this configuration from this class.
I didn’t say it was based on the Prometheus.. I said based on how they used it
The Federation needed to become less soft and toughen up. 😂
I never liked the idea that the Borg Technology was comprehensible by anyone only as advanced as Starfleet and 98% of the species and civilizations in the Milky Way. I mean we barely understand a Borg cube does what it does, never mind how it does it and by what means. The Borg should be this utter nightmare, a cosmic horror, an enigmatic juggernaut that can only be beaten with sufficient force applied at the limits of that civilization. The Borg should be universally a source of terror that even the most plot armored Captains and their ships quake at the prospect of facing, forget actually facing.
If not for some SERIOUS continuity errors to occur, I would rather Species 8472 (S-8472) and the Borg be locked in an epochs long war. This is also the reason why the Borg picks on civs like the Federation is so farm out new solutions to throw at their epochs old enemy. This also explains why the Borg have not conquered the galaxy yet. They have simply been too busy and the attrition of war has kept their numbers low and territory relatively small. And reprieve in the pressure sees the Borg immediately and almost violently expand and assimilate more species, for manpower, materials, and technology.
Continuity errors to ensue, should this idea be pursued, would include S-8472's number being so high on the Borg pokedex. However, a new species designation could be added as currently S-8472 is the latest "model" to confront the Borg and this alien species has literally sent hundreds of "models" after the Borg over the ages. Both sides endlessly adapting to the other. By the time of Voyager, S-8472 has gained a devastating lead in the arms race which was upending by Voyager, forcing a new round of adaptation and advancement of design. Both the Borg and S-8472 are so fundamentally advanced, in technology and biology, they just fly aggressively into Clarktech versus all but the eldest and oldest species and civilizations in the Milky Way making them, in truth untouchable and insurmountably OP to Starfleet.
And Yes the Borg can be unbeatably clever if it suits their purposes. After millions of years they tend to err on having all the time they need in the universe.
That is something I really despised about Star Trek why make ships out of technology your enemy is already familiar with and knows how to control very well!!
It was definetly a negative here
But you forget... By the end of S2, Quite even Agnes proposed an alliance between the UFP and the Borg. This might lead to a truce if her influence is strong enouhj... Er just don't know right now. Also some non canon stories mention a "cooperative" with the Borg... Interesting if possible.
Say- Gone? Does the narrator not know who Carl Sagan was? Notwithstanding...a good vid.
You don’t even know who the narrator is.. sooo
@@LoreReloaded No and that's irrelevant. Say- gen, as in the scientists name the ship is named for, and maybe you don't know that. As such just to point that out: its NOT Say-Gone.
@@kevinmurphy65 I’m comfortable with how I said it :)
@@LoreReloaded Oh my goodness...If you are going to produce content on a subject, it's incumbent you learn the correct way of pronouncing the words and names. Otherwise, you suffer the embarrassment of being judged that you do not know what you are talking about. You didn't pronounce Carl Sagan's name correctly and you are "comfortable" with that?
@@kevinmurphy65 is it…
Question: you pronounce it SAY-gon; is that canon?
I ask because I'd assumed the class was named after astrophysicist Carl Sagan, whose named was pronounced, SAY-gan.
If the Stargazer is the first ship of her class, then the name of the class is "Stargazer class." Or at least it would be if the writers over at Secret Hideout know what the blankety-blank they were doing.
well to be fair even historically there were situations where later ship of the series entered service before class nameship, so perhaps USS Sagan is still being fitted out.
The Enterprise is the first ship of her class a couple times. So?
I don't think that is what Seven meant.
She was referring to the integration of Borg technology not the specific hull frame.
This ship, IE: the Sagan Class of ships, is the first of a new class of ships.
@@demonddandridge7453 not it was not. Enterprise has never been the first ship of the Class, after the NX-01.
@@AtlantiansGaming not unless you think the Constitution refit was major enough to warrant a new class designation (sone fans do).
What about ' Transphasic torpedoes' ?
Do you think The Sagan Class would be able to beat The Scimitar?
Allison Pill is so hot in Season 2 episode 1. I mean she is always gorgeous but even more attractive in that episode. It's her attitude that does it.
Sagan is pronounced "say gun."
I guess it comes down to sheer F-ing hubris.
So Borg = Mass Effect Reapers, essentially. Does that mean Star Trek will have a Marauder Shields and red/blue/green ending?
Those 3 endings seems like options yes?
Damn you know how many times did they try cloaking before that treaty was tossed out the window?
I'm partial to the Sovereign class ships myself
Sagan….as in Carl Sagan….not Sagon.
Lore just saying. You need to bring your breakdown intro theme music back.
Yeah, remember when Argentina used the Exocet against the British and the French gave access of it to the UK, it's almost the same.
I was onboard until I saw Picard clip. 😮💨cheers
Star Trek Voyager brought back the most knowledge about the Borg, alien, and future technologies. But it doesn't even receive a passing mention?
The real question is if the gelato machine works…
The fact there are factions in Star Trek: Prodigy that are still running Warp 4.0 who hold such speeds as a matter of pride. Star fleet can be seen as basically gods of the quadrant, let alone the Galaxy (according to ST:Voyager). They also dont share their technological superiority, leaving old factions in the dust like the Xindi who are left in the 4.0 warp scale. This all results Star Fleet forcing you to join the Federation to "ascend" to a higher power, or be left behind like those the Federation does NOT love like the Illyrian's, who accidentally ended their civilization in a "good faith" gesture to the Federation.
Presuming the Xindi government still don't have access to those subspace tunnels. Which were faster than even fastest 24th century federation ship.
Also that was just a colony of Illyrian's and not the whole species. Also I don't trust Una Chin-Riley, to many secrets plus she reminds me tyr anasazi or Dylan hunt first officer, Gaheris Rhade. Plus how many deceptions has she done to get aboard the Federation flag and as its first officer. A single medical scan discover her identity, so either starfleet has allowed her to infiltrate this far for a reason or she has done some shit to hide her identity.
@@DavidKnowles0 the tunnels apparently only worked in the expanse. But then they used them to drop the Enterprise home, so…
(2:07) Ah, yes. The class named after Carl Say-gone. 😉😁
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I think I read or hears somewhere. That the federation shields of this period are an upgrade of the type in the sovereign/ promethus. ( mutiphasic regenitive shields ) these are very originally named. ( quantum mutiphasic regenitive shields) Lord knows what that means but more powerful.
Borg Tech, Pros and Cons:
Pros: Extremely Powerful; Adaptive; Plug-and-Play Compatible
Cons: Inelegant; Festooned with Malware
Remember the X 301 for Stargate
You must be a slight fan. If you really were a fan, you would know Voyager did use borg tech a few times in a major way. Once even rebuilding the ship with many borg add-ons.
…. What’s voyager
@@LoreReloaded /facepalm
5:12 guess they never watched Battlestar Galactica..
It's SAYGIN, son. Carl Sagan.
Starfleet is....insidious!
Wait until you go down the rabbit hole and piece together the possibilities of adding better navigation, a single warp nacelle, multiphasic cloaking seen in TNG, and a quantum torpedo with Section 31's mandate. You have a weapon that can one-shot any vessel and make it appear like a warp core breach or weapons malfunction with an organization willing to use it in order to protect the federation.
I'm actually curious about what would be stopping an extremely rich individual from building a starship that is so powerful and blatantly violates all the laws of the of treaty no matter racial factions what is to stop them from building something like this and we can devastation across the Galaxy
Section 31 ftw, skip the red tape
Sure, Starfleet Vessels are nice to look at but pragmatically speaking they are completely unbelievable as space fairing vessels. The most important commodity in space to biological organisms is life support and for most that would be breathable air. Federation ships for the most part have far too roomy and spacious interiors. Take a submarine for example. Most ever inch of a submarines interior is utilized and it is quite cramped whereas on a Starfleet ship there is plenty of open spaces to the point a person could forget they are in space.
@wayne3302264,
You forget that the Federation is a post scarcity society.
IRL, and at our current technology level, yes we try to use space efficiently because to do otherwise would be to make an already expensive activity literally unaffordable, so human comfort takes a back seat.
If you have matter replicators and antimatter total conversion energy generation, those constraints are gone.
That's why Q showed Picard the Borg, see your future , see your enemy , see your destiny. Those who survive been conquered end up adopting the methodology and equipment of the conqueror and on defeating the enemy , if they do manage that, take that step up in ability, power, adaptability and determination to never allow themselves to be conquered again and so by that very nature embedded in Humans and dissolved into the credo of the United Federation of Planets, strength in cooperation and unity under a single Governmental body, can't then be weaker, so unless they abandon all technology (see relevant movie) they must through treaties agree to be benevolent with that powerful technology (hence the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife) It's good to have a secret organisation to do your dirty work , which isn't that secret really , more of a convenient statement of deniability , cause you don't want to really be the weaker party. But when trying to be diplomatic to other entities you need to have leaders with a level of guiltless, naive demeanour to present your postures of co operation and peace in the diplomatic process , negating the need of terrible wars between parties.
That is until l the next bad guys decides conquering the federation is the answer to their desires of technological advancement or reducing the capability of the Federation threat which is perceivable, by said level of advanced technology that they have come to possess through conquering their enemies .come in peace shoot to kill. We are the Borg surrender your channel your algorithms will be assimilated and adapted to our technology , we forgo the necessity to offer peace or co operation, your species has been designated inferior, you will comply.
I'm sure someone has probably already mentioned this, but that's not how you pronounce Carl Sagan's last name.
Say-gan, as in Carl Sagan.
As someone from the future, ya
Well lets be honest, Undoubtedly most technological innovations of most major species come from reverse engineering tech obtained from defeated hulks. Id say the majority of space battles we see end with at least some wreckage to reverse engineer something out of.
The Federation may well have the galaxies best engineers but its not like other species are not very proficient as well. Namely species like The Borg, Romulans and Ferengi first and foremost for three distinctly different reasons.
Which honestly begs the question why any race would agree to a treaty like Algeron. There is absolutely no doubt by the time of TNG that the federation had encountered so many defeated cloaking enabled vessels they were more than capable of producing them on their own with basically no need to "develop" them after seeing them potentially for decades.
In effect, it would likely mean that there would constantly be an ongoing exchange of technology. Regardless if it was a direct exchange or simply from finding disabled ships in space and on planets. Also helps to explain how a species like the Klingons who have little interest in STEM are able to keep up technologically with other races.
Why must dark metallic themes for startrek be labeled "Emo"?
5:11 This is what happens when you don't change the default password on your router, people.
"Say Gone" class? Huh?
Me watching this after Picard Season 3, Episode 9...
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