The fun thing about the painting is that they can always argue that the artist wasn't an expert in starships, so the phasers coming from nowhere could be blamed on "artistic licence"
The painting looks like some kind of impressionist thing where they are looking at it thru prisms or something. Glad to see the renders and get an idea of what this thing actually looks like
except next episode the confederation is using a pretty much identical(as far as I can see) Nova and Steamrunner class. Only difference is the deflectors are red instead of blue.
Yeah, the regular D is like a bodybuilder with his legs cut off at the knees LOL People have just gotten used to it but it IS horribly out of proportion. Almost universally hated when it first came out because it was so differently proportioned from the outstanding and elegant ship design that we had seen in the movies, the TNG Enterprise was compared unfavourably to pregnant sea animals with way too many and too large glowing animated blobs/ lights that had been engineered out of the movie era ships, or were integrated subtly behind grills that were just big cartoonish blobs all over on the new D, but over time we got accustomed to its face. But it still is an ungainly, unbalanced, ill-proportioned design.
From what I’ve interpreted so far, the idea of eradication is a fairly new concept for the Confederation. They’ve most likely been enslaving conquered species for a long time. Only saying they need to wipe out non humans when they’ve started to rebel against the Confederation. I could be wrong though
Different type of conflict. The Borg had to be eradicated, no survivors. The Vulcans on the other hand could be used as servants, workers etc. It would be like a country trying to invade another nation to control it vs just nuking it... Saw the Borg as a threat that must be destroyed while Vulcan had value and should be used as a commodity which would make it more difficult in some ways.
Thats something i always wondred about since the mirror universe thing was born. Mankind heavily decimated in number thanks to world war 3 conquers the klingon and romulan empire quickly. This Picard timeline at least seem to be a little more realistic. When mankind started 2024 it makes sense they became that superpower.
@@peterludwig4599 I guess there was a hell of a post-war baby boom!!! But Earth/Terra also did it with ships that were supposedly *slower* than the other races with no shields and no phasers and at first only spacial (nuclear) weapons.
@@thethirdchimpanzee I bet A LOT of test-tubes played a part in that baby boom :D. I'm seriously surprised that everybody from the mirror universe isn't an Augment a'la Khan. Aside from pride, I see no reason why Terrans wouldn't go full-on eugenics.
Well let's not talk about an Eaglemoss but your STO wish has been granted, did you know that a 3d printing service is integrated right with the ship tailor in STO?
I like that they didn't call this ship Enterprise. In this universe, unlike the good 'ol mirror universe, they'd never name their ships the same way they did in Prime. That's been one flaw of the mirror universe....the ships and their names were the same and it never made sense.
Yeah, Uhura even scoffed at the name Farragut in that wasn't in the Mirror Universe, somehow I doubt they have a Farragut and a potemkin... more ships named things like the Victorious, the Valiant, the vengeance, and ships named after cool sounding Emperors. Not Grissom or Chingchow. Definitely not a Constitution!
For people saying this is the enterprise of this universe, aside from the similarities to the galaxy class, World Razer is clearly a very dark take on Star Gazer
@@wes528 Because the galaxy is iconic, and we watched it be a symbol of the best of the federation for 7 years. Turning it into a war crime machine feels like a deeper perversion of star trek than the other candidates, which is the point. The original stargazer is more obscure, and the new one has barely had a few minutes on screen. The sovereign would make more sense being more combat oriented, but I get the impression the world razer predated the design as the galaxy did in our timeline. In other words, it's a classic tool of genocide from the golden age of Picard's career of cleansing the galaxy of those filthy aliens.
I want to fight this at the end of the Reflections arc in STO. Helmed by none other than the Terran Emperor, or our Mirror Inquisitor counterpart. We know they love giving them evil alternate designs like the Warship Voyager, I could see this happening.
thats what this Razor ship looks much like an alternate Galaxy class confederation variant design if im not mistaken cuz of the design of that saucer section.
Just tuned in after a few years away and I gotta says it’s great to see how you two have developed as a channel. An awesome dissection into the ship design process here which you don’t get on other channels. Good job!
I love this design. When you zoom in it's clearly not something they finished like you show, but the overall impression you get just seeing it is brilliant, and the secondary hull almost looks like the grill of a knight's helmet to me in an impressionistic sort of way.
Moving parts on a spacecraft need to have a function to justify the weight/expense/internal space required to support it. A rotating habitation module to provide gravity, Voyagers variable warp geometry nacelles, Galactica's hanger bays retracting for a jump. So the wide grooves in the saucer must also have a purpose. In the concept art it looked to be forward and rear facing torpedo launchers inset to provide a flat face for the launcher hatches. The pointy things may be a new weapon or sensor system or even some kind of shield projector. Nice job as always guys
Well done, and true indeed it does, interesting. I remember seeing that defiant and being keen to see more but alas, our imagination will have to suffice once more!
I would've liked to see the phaser lances just inside the cutouts and the ship be designed kind of like a "sleeper" where it looked like a regular galaxy saucer (with the exception of the deflector, obviously) and the batwing bits extended out revealing the massive weapons (just how the original Galaxy had saucer separation as a "battle mode"). The confederation could have been "exploring" planets to conquer. An innocent looking explorer ship approaches a planet in the name of peace, then the big guns pop out and boom! We see plot devices like this from other races in Trek (like the original Orion, etc.) but it'd be interesting to see an alternate universe Earth/terran/hero crew use the tactic.
Ok, now hear me out....! The impression I get from this, especially the concept art, is that the saucer is designed to detach a la the regular Galaxy class. The two sections on the edges of the saucer angle down about 45degress. And then a phaser on a long hose emerges from the top. It is used for atmospheric assaults to destroy ground targets, in a manner and as a nod to the War of the Worlds movie from the 1960s. It does in my head anyway!
looks like someone drew over a screenshot of the galaxy class, there are several elements where the new cutouts literally interrupt existing shapes like windows or scape pods
There should be a crossover between the Terran Empire 'mirror' universe and the CSS universe that this ship is from. I wonder if they'd be able to tell one from the other, though.
@@FLAME4564 Maybe there were some legal issues and they couldn't make it the classic mirror universe, but it sure seemed like that every way but in name.
Funny thing is that you do not need a rediculously over weaponed ship to Raze a world. A full spread of photon Torpedos would deliver enough antimatter to rip away a massive chunk of planetary atmosphere.
That assumes an unprotected world being attacked, either from the ground with shield installations of a protective fleet. I guess the point off this is to fend of multiple attacks at the same time.
Far too many variables to make a comment like that, the size of the planet the composition of the atmosphere if any, planetary defence platforms or other types of shields, not to mention how many civilisations have we seen where they live underground? It could be something as simple that someone has developed a method to shoot down/negate incoming photon torpedoes much like the Patriot missile shoots down incoming cruise missiles. We also have seen a number of times that energy weapons are bounced back to its source, so Photon Torpedoes are definitely not a magic bullet. Never put all of your offense in one basket.
Ah-hah! On TV, I couldn't make out what this alternate Galaxy-class was supposed to look like. It just looked like a messy Picasso-esque painting of a Galaxy-class in battle. Now it's clear. Great job, guys!
Around 7:20 I agree on the profile bit I do with the nacels stuck straight out more like the Enterprise D, how ever fitting in line with the warp field issues maby sleeker side profile in line with how voyager was designed
Now I want an instance or plot point, either in Star Trek Picard or in STO, where the Terran Empire and Confederation square off against each other. Who would win?
hah This against an entire fleet of Terran imperial ships from the mirror universe? HAHAHAHAAHH oh please hah XD its most plikely this Confederation ship the CSS World Razor Galaxy Class would blast them out of the stars with its secret equalizer which would be the Light Of Civilizations console when one on that ship activates the console onboard that ship it would power up an even more powerful beam from its aditional deflector built into the secondary hull which im betting was repurposed to act as the main firing circuit for the much bigger firing lance which in STO was the Light Of Civilisations firing lance
I think one thing to remember is that Picard is supposed to be a ruthless dictator type of person in that reality. Those kinds of people often have paintings depicting them in fictional, over the top ways. So the painting should be viewed from that viewpoint.
The first concept that Cpt Foley liked (the Galaxy with the deflector built into the leading edge) coincidentally resembles Star Trek Online's new Cygnus class battlecruiser. Cryptic said they might do a three-nacelle, phaser cannon dreadnought model later.
It appears the hulls are separated (partitioned) , reducing potential damage across multiple sections. Also layered as well so the armor and redundancy has to be amazing. The protection of the deflector dish seems very specific. Possibly some phaser "cannons" or lance as you said. Possibly with recessed phaser tracks giving optimal and redundant weapon systems. While the saucer looks advanced military the engineering and lower decks seem too simple and somewhat disappointing. What is undeniable is the forward fire power is extreme.
It would be awesome if this ship has Chronometric shields and survives when Picard fixes the timeline. We then see a showdown between this ship against the Fed’s fleet. Some Sovereign Class on EvilGalaxy Class violence.
The ship name is a bit on the nose for me considering its suppose to be a reality where something just went wrong and not just random evil universe 5b. I would have gone with Conqueror or Indomitable or something like that.
I mean they named the evil's the Confederation and told us that due to a change in 2024 (voting year) in the US everyone went super-evil. So yeah they're not being subtle.
@@nonyabisness6306 Yes but "Confederation" is not an inherently evil descriptor and I have yet to know of what would be considered an evil empire/civilisation that referred to its self as "the evil empire". Q said this was meant to be the end of the road not taken, not a world on which someone drop the transformers hate plague and everyone turn evil
@@ravenspire9691 Pretty sure in the US Confederation is an evil descriptor. (civil war) The problem with "a road not taken" is that it'd be slight alterations overall, drastic changed only applying individually. Instead we have the World Razer going and exterminating anything that's not human including the Borg as well as everyone happily celebrating "Exterminationday". Ridicilously over the top evil. Wouldn't be suprised if they also ate sentient alians ala Discovery Mirrorverse.
Not a big fan of this design. It doesn't seem like something that was really thought all the way through. It feels more like someone was given a jpg of a Galaxy class, was told to make it "evil," and chopped that picture into this is a couple hours. Which, if it really only appears for 5 seconds as a painting, that's perfectly understandable. However, if it ends up showing up on screen later in the season, then I'll have a bigger problem with it. I will admit though, I'm such a big fan of the Galaxy class design that anything that screws with it usually draws my ire. Even in a situation like this where screwing with the design is the whole idea.
Ahh that 2nd concept drawing is so good, very aggressive in that 3/4 angle. Shame not more of the elements of that design (the lack of windows in particular) were carried to the next stage.
How long before this ship and storyline are put into STO. We know they're working in conjunction with the team that does the game. The stats for this should be bonkers. If this is their version of the D. What does Sisko's pimp hand Defiant look like. I could see it renamed the CSS Vengeance. Though then the Kelvin Universe might have an issue.
This is something you wish they'd done in the Mirror Universe episodes. Ships designed for battle and conquest would look very different from those meant for exploration and defense and have different names. I remember watching the Discovery Mirror episodes and wondering why the evil Discovery would even exist much less look nearly identical except for a slightly different paint job and lighting. And you could make the same argument for the Mirror 1701 and NX-01
I’m not a fan of the Worldrazer design, but I love the Luna class. Sean seems influenced by Sternbach in a lot of ways. Glad Tourangeau is on the PIC design team. His design sketches for the Titan bridge on his Deviantart were cool too back in the day 😂
The engineering section is reminding me of something, but I'll be damned if i can remember what. Maybe some illustration from an old collected sci-fi story novel. It's the scalloping, it's definitely pulling from something. Maybe the war machines from the original War of the Worlds movie?
Not having seen Picard, but having seen in the comments that this is somehow Mirror Universe related, how did ISS end up as CSS? Also...no mention of Razer being computer gaming gear? (mainly mice, but several other things besides)
I hate third the Third Nacelle on the Galaxy Dreadnought. It feels like something a kid would add to make a ship seem "cooler". Along with those spikey nonsense phasers.
It sort of looks like perhaps the saucer sections may expand out over always being open in a "bat wing" format. Such as having it in "ambassador mode" at first contact. Then switch to Razer mode to obliterate an unsuspecting species.. wahahaha...
Well, i can kinda see where the STO team got the inspiration for the Cygnus Class. at least with a few details anyway. Though the sto designer did a better job i think.
just imagine the dominion war had 2 o4 galaxyclass war ships Deadnaughts. Each and every qubicmeter of the inside that was dedicated to science, families and what not military and swapable exchanged for selfcontained energygeneration that would feed sectionized layered shields and phaser arrays (imagine the powergeneration and weaponssystems of teh defiant class just stuffed 10-20 times into that dreadnaught) i bet that galaxyclass would even have wiped the floor with shinzons ship. and the first 5 meters of the hull just ablative armor or neutronium? haha got that would ve been a gamebreaker
Man, I hate to be negative, but while this design process is interesting, to me it looks like image of an aggressive Galaxy Class went from arguable perfection as a sort of 'pre-Galaxy X' design to 'WTF', and 'how would that come to be?'. All I can say is that the painting does its job as being a disturbing visage of the familiar Galaxy class, but doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. The 'googly' looking neck version looks like the artist was trying to go for a 'cobra' menacing look, what with the huge Galaxy class oval shape to the primary hull being like a cobra's hood, with the 'neck' pylon trying to hammer that idea home. Unfortunately, while an understandable tactic, the pylon neck looked more goose than snake. Again, the pic does its job, so I guess it's a success, but I'm starting to understand why these ships can come to look so odd.
There where that many easier eggs in the episode I was supposed it was not called the war ship enterprise. Fingers crossed for next week there is going to be a chase
The first concept art reminds me of the cygnus from STO combined with the Gal-X. Is this the same mirror universe that we know or "just " one of Qs own creations?
This looks like some kind of artistic impressionist idealized view of what a "Confederation" warship would look like. This, I hope, isn't what the actual warship looks like. I find it ridiculous looking but fun to think about the massively destructive potential of these advanced technologies but to the task of attack and submission vs exploration and research.
I had a dream last night. And yes, I was drunk. Maybe still am. About the Write Class starship. The U.S.S Write, The U.S.S., Duncan and the U.S.S Barnaby. and possibly the U.S.S. Persephone. Science/Scout ships. Think the HMS Suprise.
That would be rhe U.S.S. "Church" for short. The U.S.S Dunkirk, U.S.S. Glasgow, U.S.S. Normandy, The U.S.S Midway, the U.S.S Kiev and the U.S.S Honolulu.
Kinda think it should’ve been “Star Razer”. World Razer seems small. I don’t think the Human Confederation thinks in small terms. Also, it’s a play on Star Destroyer.
world razer shows more intelligence. why would you destroy stars? better to focus on eradicating inhabited worlds, so you can use the resources of other worlds orbiting their star for yourself.
Very true, that's why most new real warships have only the essential windows required for operation. Form follows function on a warship. You're not supposed to be standing there admiring the view, there is always work to be done on a ship.
I just had this chilling image of General Picard telling the Borg, “your life as it has been is over. From this time forward, you will service us.”
The fun thing about the painting is that they can always argue that the artist wasn't an expert in starships, so the phasers coming from nowhere could be blamed on "artistic licence"
The painting looks like some kind of impressionist thing where they are looking at it thru prisms or something. Glad to see the renders and get an idea of what this thing actually looks like
Great looking ship.
Confederation of Earth: "They'll become pacifist after they're all dead."
USS Stargazer; CSS World Razer...I just got it now lol
I love the fact that the CSS ships aren't just Federation ships with evil people onboard lol the ships actually look different!!!
Indeed, though I wish that Rios’ old ship wasn’t now a Confederation ship.
except next episode the confederation is using a pretty much identical(as far as I can see) Nova and Steamrunner class. Only difference is the deflectors are red instead of blue.
What I dislike about it is, that it never did leg day. The saucer is so big, bulky and aggressive... And the naccels are like twigs
Yeah, the regular D is like a bodybuilder with his legs cut off at the knees LOL
People have just gotten used to it but it IS horribly out of proportion.
Almost universally hated when it first came out because it was so differently proportioned from the outstanding and elegant ship design that we had seen in the movies, the TNG Enterprise was compared unfavourably to pregnant sea animals with way too many and too large glowing animated blobs/ lights that had been engineered out of the movie era ships, or were integrated subtly behind grills that were just big cartoonish blobs all over on the new D, but over time we got accustomed to its face.
But it still is an ungainly, unbalanced, ill-proportioned design.
And they look like the Disco nacelles.
I hope those spikes are for when he takes the ship and rams it into things
The spiky things were needed on the ENT-E in Nemesis….maybe they would have inflicted more damage to the Scimitar…then Data would still be alive??
I wanna know how they managed to eradicate the Borg in a few decades but the Vulcans seem to have resisted them for several centuries.
From what I’ve interpreted so far, the idea of eradication is a fairly new concept for the Confederation. They’ve most likely been enslaving conquered species for a long time. Only saying they need to wipe out non humans when they’ve started to rebel against the Confederation. I could be wrong though
Different type of conflict. The Borg had to be eradicated, no survivors. The Vulcans on the other hand could be used as servants, workers etc. It would be like a country trying to invade another nation to control it vs just nuking it... Saw the Borg as a threat that must be destroyed while Vulcan had value and should be used as a commodity which would make it more difficult in some ways.
Thats something i always wondred about since the mirror universe thing was born. Mankind heavily decimated in number thanks to world war 3 conquers the klingon and romulan empire quickly. This Picard timeline at least seem to be a little more realistic. When mankind started 2024 it makes sense they became that superpower.
@@peterludwig4599 I guess there was a hell of a post-war baby boom!!!
But Earth/Terra also did it with ships that were supposedly *slower* than the other races with no shields and no phasers and at first only spacial (nuclear) weapons.
@@thethirdchimpanzee I bet A LOT of test-tubes played a part in that baby boom :D. I'm seriously surprised that everybody from the mirror universe isn't an Augment a'la Khan. Aside from pride, I see no reason why Terrans wouldn't go full-on eugenics.
I like the harshness of it. I hope they add it to STO and make an Eaglemoss. They turned the glass cannon into a mega warship.
Well let's not talk about an Eaglemoss but your STO wish has been granted, did you know that a 3d printing service is integrated right with the ship tailor in STO?
I like that they didn't call this ship Enterprise. In this universe, unlike the good 'ol mirror universe, they'd never name their ships the same way they did in Prime. That's been one flaw of the mirror universe....the ships and their names were the same and it never made sense.
Yeah, Uhura even scoffed at the name Farragut in that wasn't in the Mirror Universe, somehow I doubt they have a Farragut and a potemkin... more ships named things like the Victorious, the Valiant, the vengeance, and ships named after cool sounding Emperors.
Not Grissom or Chingchow.
Definitely not a Constitution!
I wonder if the CSS Enterprise was refit to the CSS World Razer in response to the Borg.
With the side wings of the primary saucer to extend for the spiky canons.
The Confederation never needed a response to the Borg. They were the response to the Borg.
For people saying this is the enterprise of this universe, aside from the similarities to the galaxy class, World Razer is clearly a very dark take on Star Gazer
Wow I completely missed that but that’s certainly intentional. Feels so obvious
@@SJgolf891 Especially given the whole season kicked off on the new Stargazer and they're really focusing in on that chapter of Picard's life
I made the same connection, but whyyyyyy would they make it similar to the galaxy!?
@@wes528 Because the galaxy is iconic, and we watched it be a symbol of the best of the federation for 7 years. Turning it into a war crime machine feels like a deeper perversion of star trek than the other candidates, which is the point.
The original stargazer is more obscure, and the new one has barely had a few minutes on screen. The sovereign would make more sense being more combat oriented, but I get the impression the world razer predated the design as the galaxy did in our timeline. In other words, it's a classic tool of genocide from the golden age of Picard's career of cleansing the galaxy of those filthy aliens.
A play on Battlestar Galactica Razor?
World Razer...what a metal name for a ship, fits that dark Confederate AU well, and the ship looks and feels truly evil too.
The name impressed me. My ship would be the ThunderHammerKilleriser. It needs work I'll admit.
@@JohnnyZenith The Killingthunder Hammer? 😁
@@zsoca-san I like it.
World Razer, Star Destroyer... I see what they did there.
I want to fight this at the end of the Reflections arc in STO. Helmed by none other than the Terran Emperor, or our Mirror Inquisitor counterpart. We know they love giving them evil alternate designs like the Warship Voyager, I could see this happening.
@PurpleOwlAnimation Read the second sentence again.
World Razer looks like when you have tons of weapon slots on STO and dedicate most of them to dual-canons 😂
Been waiting on this review. I hope we see it in action on the show!
Perhaps the Galaxy Class Warship.
thats what this Razor ship looks much like an alternate Galaxy class confederation variant design if im not mistaken cuz of the design of that saucer section.
Just tuned in after a few years away and I gotta says it’s great to see how you two have developed as a channel. An awesome dissection into the ship design process here which you don’t get on other channels. Good job!
This video is why I still show up and watch your videos.
we do try :) we keep the breakdowns coming when there are new ships and te ch! thanks!
I hope we get to see more of this universe/timeline and it's ships but it looks like it may only be for 2 episodes sadly.
Same I wanna know more about the confederation and how it works and how it was able to spread across the galaxy
Confederation lockbox in STO probably coming after the season ends
I love this design. When you zoom in it's clearly not something they finished like you show, but the overall impression you get just seeing it is brilliant, and the secondary hull almost looks like the grill of a knight's helmet to me in an impressionistic sort of way.
I just want to know how the hell the confederation defeated the Borg.
Moving parts on a spacecraft need to have a function to justify the weight/expense/internal space required to support it. A rotating habitation module to provide gravity, Voyagers variable warp geometry nacelles, Galactica's hanger bays retracting for a jump. So the wide grooves in the saucer must also have a purpose. In the concept art it looked to be forward and rear facing torpedo launchers inset to provide a flat face for the launcher hatches. The pointy things may be a new weapon or sensor system or even some kind of shield projector.
Nice job as always guys
Very true, and why the rotating portion of the discovery saucer is doubly ridiculous.
the grooves can be protective, like trenches.
any systems or officer's quarters in these trenches can only be hit from specific angles.
8:32 that point gave me the impression of a Cobra with it's hood flared and rearing back and ready to strike,
When do we get an Eaglemoss model of this?!
Thursday 15th March 3.00pm
I love that you were able to get the design docs!
It reminds me when the Iron Giant went into weapon mode.
It reminds me of the mirror universe defiant from discovery
It did have some odd cutouts in the saucer, didn't it?
Well done, and true indeed it does, interesting. I remember seeing that defiant and being keen to see more but alas, our imagination will have to suffice once more!
I would've liked to see the phaser lances just inside the cutouts and the ship be designed kind of like a "sleeper" where it looked like a regular galaxy saucer (with the exception of the deflector, obviously) and the batwing bits extended out revealing the massive weapons (just how the original Galaxy had saucer separation as a "battle mode"). The confederation could have been "exploring" planets to conquer. An innocent looking explorer ship approaches a planet in the name of peace, then the big guns pop out and boom! We see plot devices like this from other races in Trek (like the original Orion, etc.) but it'd be interesting to see an alternate universe Earth/terran/hero crew use the tactic.
Well the world razer from Picard season 2 will be a lock box item for the 13th anniversary of STO. The "A Safe Galaxy" lockbox.
Ok, now hear me out....! The impression I get from this, especially the concept art, is that the saucer is designed to detach a la the regular Galaxy class. The two sections on the edges of the saucer angle down about 45degress. And then a phaser on a long hose emerges from the top. It is used for atmospheric assaults to destroy ground targets, in a manner and as a nod to the War of the Worlds movie from the 1960s. It does in my head anyway!
looks like someone drew over a screenshot of the galaxy class, there are several elements where the new cutouts literally interrupt existing shapes like windows or scape pods
There should be a crossover between the Terran Empire 'mirror' universe and the CSS universe that this ship is from.
I wonder if they'd be able to tell one from the other, though.
thats most likely what this is intended to be. Though If im not mistaken in STO This ship is set to show up as the CSS World Razor dreadnought
@@FLAME4564 Maybe there were some legal issues and they couldn't make it the classic mirror universe, but it sure seemed like that every way but in name.
At least they have phaser beams on this painting as opposed to the pew pew Star Wars phaser bolts in the show that’s my biggest nitpick
Funny thing is that you do not need a rediculously over weaponed ship to Raze a world. A full spread of photon Torpedos would deliver enough antimatter to rip away a massive chunk of planetary atmosphere.
That assumes an unprotected world being attacked, either from the ground with shield installations of a protective fleet. I guess the point off this is to fend of multiple attacks at the same time.
Ridiculously.
Far too many variables to make a comment like that, the size of the planet the composition of the atmosphere if any, planetary defence platforms or other types of shields, not to mention how many civilisations have we seen where they live underground?
It could be something as simple that someone has developed a method to shoot down/negate incoming photon torpedoes much like the Patriot missile shoots down incoming cruise missiles.
We also have seen a number of times that energy weapons are bounced back to its source, so Photon Torpedoes are definitely not a magic bullet.
Never put all of your offense in one basket.
The saucer looks like the Cylon Raider toys of my youth.
New Galaxy Class variant inbound to STO.
Ah-hah! On TV, I couldn't make out what this alternate Galaxy-class was supposed to look like. It just looked like a messy Picasso-esque painting of a Galaxy-class in battle. Now it's clear. Great job, guys!
Tahts a really mean ship ya got there, Picard.
Really great to see the concept designs leading up to the final image! 🖖
It uses Romulan tech like the Scimitar and is in the process of activating its thalaron weapon.
A very interesting design.. I wonder if it will make it's way to star trek online in some form ( hopefully as a buyable T6 ship)
Maybe, but definitely see one from eaglemoss.
It’ll be lockbox and you know it
It will most definitely be a lockbox
This what I love about these guys good analysis
Amen!
Around 7:20 I agree on the profile bit I do with the nacels stuck straight out more like the Enterprise D, how ever fitting in line with the warp field issues maby sleeker side profile in line with how voyager was designed
Now I want an instance or plot point, either in Star Trek Picard or in STO, where the Terran Empire and Confederation square off against each other. Who would win?
hah This against an entire fleet of Terran imperial ships from the mirror universe? HAHAHAHAAHH oh please hah XD its most plikely this Confederation ship the CSS World Razor Galaxy Class would blast them out of the stars with its secret equalizer which would be the Light Of Civilizations console when one on that ship activates the console onboard that ship it would power up an even more powerful beam from its aditional deflector built into the secondary hull which im betting was repurposed to act as the main firing circuit for the much bigger firing lance which in STO was the Light Of Civilisations firing lance
I think one thing to remember is that Picard is supposed to be a ruthless dictator type of person in that reality. Those kinds of people often have paintings depicting them in fictional, over the top ways. So the painting should be viewed from that viewpoint.
The first concept that Cpt Foley liked (the Galaxy with the deflector built into the leading edge) coincidentally resembles Star Trek Online's new Cygnus class battlecruiser. Cryptic said they might do a three-nacelle, phaser cannon dreadnought model later.
It's a War Saucer of Doom
Calling it now General Sisko shows up in the finale with this thing.
Those phaser lances feel like a nice callback to the Warship Voyager
It appears the hulls are separated (partitioned) , reducing potential damage across multiple sections. Also layered as well so the armor and redundancy has to be amazing. The protection of the deflector dish seems very specific. Possibly some phaser "cannons" or lance as you said. Possibly with recessed phaser tracks giving optimal and redundant weapon systems. While the saucer looks advanced military the engineering and lower decks seem too simple and somewhat disappointing. What is undeniable is the forward fire power is extreme.
It would be awesome if this ship has Chronometric shields and survives when Picard fixes the timeline.
We then see a showdown between this ship against the Fed’s fleet.
Some Sovereign Class on EvilGalaxy Class violence.
at about the 10 min mark. Wow 16 Phaser Lances, 12 on the Primary hull, 4 on the Secondary. Thats alot of firepower just on their own.
I love it it looks like an extremely pissed off Mantaray it's about time trek ships started looking a bit more aggressive.
The ship name is a bit on the nose for me considering its suppose to be a reality where something just went wrong and not just random evil universe 5b. I would have gone with Conqueror or Indomitable or something like that.
I mean they named the evil's the Confederation and told us that due to a change in 2024 (voting year) in the US everyone went super-evil.
So yeah they're not being subtle.
@@nonyabisness6306 Yes but "Confederation" is not an inherently evil descriptor and I have yet to know of what would be considered an evil empire/civilisation that referred to its self as "the evil empire". Q said this was meant to be the end of the road not taken, not a world on which someone drop the transformers hate plague and everyone turn evil
@@ravenspire9691 Pretty sure in the US Confederation is an evil descriptor. (civil war)
The problem with "a road not taken" is that it'd be slight alterations overall, drastic changed only applying individually. Instead we have the World Razer going and exterminating anything that's not human including the Borg as well as everyone happily celebrating "Exterminationday".
Ridicilously over the top evil. Wouldn't be suprised if they also ate sentient alians ala Discovery Mirrorverse.
One of the concept razer's with its huge saucer reminds me of Kazoo's head
And finally the Winston L.S. Churchill class Heavy cruiser.
Not a big fan of this design. It doesn't seem like something that was really thought all the way through. It feels more like someone was given a jpg of a Galaxy class, was told to make it "evil," and chopped that picture into this is a couple hours. Which, if it really only appears for 5 seconds as a painting, that's perfectly understandable. However, if it ends up showing up on screen later in the season, then I'll have a bigger problem with it. I will admit though, I'm such a big fan of the Galaxy class design that anything that screws with it usually draws my ire. Even in a situation like this where screwing with the design is the whole idea.
Ahh that 2nd concept drawing is so good, very aggressive in that 3/4 angle. Shame not more of the elements of that design (the lack of windows in particular) were carried to the next stage.
How long before this ship and storyline are put into STO. We know they're working in conjunction with the team that does the game. The stats for this should be bonkers. If this is their version of the D. What does Sisko's pimp hand Defiant look like. I could see it renamed the CSS Vengeance. Though then the Kelvin Universe might have an issue.
It looks like the saucer slides outwards to reveal the extra weapons.
Well, STO won't resist making that a promotion ship. Galaxy version 5?
CSS World Razer looks like my GPU had malfunction.
This is something you wish they'd done in the Mirror Universe episodes. Ships designed for battle and conquest would look very different from those meant for exploration and defense and have different names. I remember watching the Discovery Mirror episodes and wondering why the evil Discovery would even exist much less look nearly identical except for a slightly different paint job and lighting. And you could make the same argument for the Mirror 1701 and NX-01
I’m not a fan of the Worldrazer design, but I love the Luna class. Sean seems influenced by Sternbach in a lot of ways. Glad Tourangeau is on the PIC design team. His design sketches for the Titan bridge on his Deviantart were cool too back in the day 😂
The engineering section is reminding me of something, but I'll be damned if i can remember what. Maybe some illustration from an old collected sci-fi story novel. It's the scalloping, it's definitely pulling from something. Maybe the war machines from the original War of the Worlds movie?
Kind of looks like one of the captain's yachts to me
Looks like the cockpit area of the B-2 stealth bomber turned upside down.
Not having seen Picard, but having seen in the comments that this is somehow Mirror Universe related, how did ISS end up as CSS? Also...no mention of Razer being computer gaming gear? (mainly mice, but several other things besides)
ISS Charon vs CSS World-Raizer vs Warship Voyager vs Future Enterprise-D vs USS Vengeance. What say you?
Its possible that the painting in itself is a propaganda piece and that the ship we see in it might not be exactly how it looked.
I hate third the Third Nacelle on the Galaxy Dreadnought. It feels like something a kid would add to make a ship seem "cooler". Along with those spikey nonsense phasers.
if this what evil galaxy class is ,I'm afraid what Enterprise-E look like
It sort of looks like perhaps the saucer sections may expand out over always being open in a "bat wing" format. Such as having it in "ambassador mode" at first contact. Then switch to Razer mode to obliterate an unsuspecting species.. wahahaha...
Well, i can kinda see where the STO team got the inspiration for the Cygnus Class. at least with a few details anyway. Though the sto designer did a better job i think.
10:16 looks a bit like a cobra ready to strike
My Science/Scout ships are Christa class. U.S.S Challenger.
25% different per Bad Robot alternative license
just imagine the dominion war had 2 o4 galaxyclass war ships Deadnaughts. Each and every qubicmeter of the inside that was dedicated to science, families and what not military and swapable exchanged for selfcontained energygeneration that would feed sectionized layered shields and phaser arrays (imagine the powergeneration and weaponssystems of teh defiant class just stuffed 10-20 times into that dreadnaught) i bet that galaxyclass would even have wiped the floor with shinzons ship. and the first 5 meters of the hull just ablative armor or neutronium? haha got that would ve been a gamebreaker
How long before the EagleMoss? 😜
Well razor ain’t the only evil class, also include the galaxy class ships of the Terran empire f the mirror universe too
oh, that explains it. i thought it was world RAISER, the ship of peace and rebuilding.
is it tearing through a borg cube?
It's tearing it apart Lisaaa!!
I'm sure it will be a playable ship in Star Trek On line in a week.
Man, I hate to be negative, but while this design process is interesting, to me it looks like image of an aggressive Galaxy Class went from arguable perfection as a sort of 'pre-Galaxy X' design to 'WTF', and 'how would that come to be?'. All I can say is that the painting does its job as being a disturbing visage of the familiar Galaxy class, but doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. The 'googly' looking neck version looks like the artist was trying to go for a 'cobra' menacing look, what with the huge Galaxy class oval shape to the primary hull being like a cobra's hood, with the 'neck' pylon trying to hammer that idea home. Unfortunately, while an understandable tactic, the pylon neck looked more goose than snake.
Again, the pic does its job, so I guess it's a success, but I'm starting to understand why these ships can come to look so odd.
no 3 nacelles
There where that many easier eggs in the episode I was supposed it was not called the war ship enterprise. Fingers crossed for next week there is going to be a chase
They should have kept the first concept that you show in this.
The first concept art reminds me of the cygnus from STO combined with the Gal-X. Is this the same mirror universe that we know or "just " one of Qs own creations?
It's a divergence rather than a mirror universe. It's "our" universe after an event that changed everything that happened after it.
It would be nice enough - if they'd finished it - it needs doing to it what was done with the Ambassador prototype.
U.S.S. Surprise should probably be a Church class.
This looks like some kind of artistic impressionist idealized view of what a "Confederation" warship would look like. This, I hope, isn't what the actual warship looks like. I find it ridiculous looking but fun to think about the massively destructive potential of these advanced technologies but to the task of attack and submission vs exploration and research.
Hoping this comes to STO.
I had a dream last night. And yes, I was drunk. Maybe still am. About the Write Class starship. The U.S.S Write, The U.S.S., Duncan and the U.S.S Barnaby. and possibly the U.S.S. Persephone. Science/Scout ships. Think the HMS Suprise.
Looks like the Cygnus-class
That would be rhe U.S.S. "Church" for short. The U.S.S Dunkirk, U.S.S. Glasgow, U.S.S. Normandy, The U.S.S Midway, the U.S.S Kiev and the U.S.S Honolulu.
Kinda think it should’ve been “Star Razer”. World Razer seems small. I don’t think the Human Confederation thinks in small terms. Also, it’s a play on Star Destroyer.
world razer shows more intelligence.
why would you destroy stars?
better to focus on eradicating inhabited worlds, so you can use the resources of other worlds orbiting their star for yourself.
Could the ship be using borg tech to be a huge battle ship
The confederation - sounds a lot like that old army in the usa = trigger
+ like at the colours used in the flag !
Absolute monstrosity. Lol! The windows on the lower front of the saucer don’t match up at all.
Windows on a war ship makes no sense. It weakens the hull.
Very true, that's why most new real warships have only the essential windows required for operation. Form follows function on a warship. You're not supposed to be standing there admiring the view, there is always work to be done on a ship.