What I love about this design, it really feels like, with the big squarish back end, that this was an evolution from the Constitution class to the Excelsior class as far as feel and some design cues. I love that, it makes it feel real to the timeline.
My first thought is that it's really big, but then Drexler's "ape brain" philosophy jumped in my head and it makes sense that ships would get bigger before they got smaller. The connie has the same size saucer as the NX because over time, they determined that saucer size was more optimal for power output v. ease of warp bubble, and technology advancements made the smaller size of the Connie possible again. I really like it... Though looking at the spinning animations, I think I'd like it even more with a Miranda/nacelle down configuration.
The counter fire batteries and the repurposing of ships from something that was a considered but secondary mission till it became a vital primary in US Naval history was the role of antiaircraft fire support for the fleet carriers. Early on most pre-WW2 capital ships' antiaircraft fire was at worst token and at best not nearly enough to handle a determined aerial assault. Slowly, painfully at times, lessons were learned and ships found wanting were refit to turn them into effective screens for the new star of the fleet, the flattops. No ship served better in this role than the very ship that these fast-moving airports than the ships that they had supplanted as the Navy's darling, the Battleships. Not every battle wagon could keep up with the carriers so only a few of the newest types were set the task of keeping watch as these shops plowed the waves and the best of those were the four ships of the Iowa class.
Nice! Star Trek doesn't use Electronic Warfare active and counter systems. Sometimes for reasons of plot, sensor interference, plays into the story. There should be along side photon torpedos, anti sensor torpedos homing on active sensor systems. There should be counter sensor torpedos howling across sensor bands gibberish to blind enemy systems. Missing also is a Combat Information Center and Auxillary Bridge. Season One of TNG was headed in the right direction with the Battle Bridge and the XO being there as the Red Alert duty station. This was likely discarded for reasons of production schedule and budget more than cinematic story. As for why would the Federation, design, then redesign, and redesign a ship? Engineering and Design. You have something that you know works, this cuts out years of testing and simulation to get that hull from an idea to a fighting ship. I would love to see some ships on loan or integrated into this militarized Star Fleet from the newer Member worlds. In the real world, alliances like NATO or PacRim, the agreements are in commonality of munitions and fuel mostly. Member nations provide ships they have tested and approve as effective for that class.Example, is the mentions CIWS (Close In Weapon System) some members use the Phalanx (in video) British use Goalkeeper, and the Russians field a larger two gun system with incorporated missiles too.
Yeah, it makes perfect sense that ships have names based on the previous conflicts. This ship, particularly the 'rectangular bulge' in the middle, its scale, and warship nature sort of reminds me of Samuel's YORKTOWN class designed for the "Romulan War". This is sort of like a balance between that and the NX class. I'm not sure if you've intended this or not, but this design and the universe conception supporting it, would help bridge ST: ENTERPRISE with DISCO. What with the number of ships that are vaguely or not so vaguely NX inspired, or the increased scale (or apparently increased scale), point defense weapons, and available ships in Starfleet and so on. While originally a warship design, this does look like a big step forward technologically from the NX. Which is rather a surprise in that the NX was the ultimate in human tech as of 2151, but I suppose several years makes a difference. Particularly if alien tach is thrown in.; if the Andorians were contributing very hard towards a human ally in the Romulan War, it would help explain this ship and that there is something vaguely 'Andorian' in its look. Even if that is a rectangular middle and some blue highlights. I was a bit surprised about the blue cylinders on the upper hull being communication units, although I suppose it makes sense in that subspace communications wouldn't be easy. This might be interpreted as a system with much better bandwidth, much less need for comm buoys, and less lag time. The ship might be oversized, the NX is often portrayed as a small ship, but is already about the size as the Constitution's primary hull. For better or worse, I do see that as a 'soft limit' as to Starfleet's saucer sections. On the other hand, maybe the Miranda makes for a better example and limit? ;) Anyway, again, The NX is meant to be a big deal for the earth's pre-Federation Starfleet, the INTREPID class being the warship of the United Earth, clearly stretching the limits of what humans can do in the 2440s, the NX being a huge leap forward. I don't know. Part of my problem is that while overall I do like ST: ENTERPRISE, while some people didn't like the technological limitations, I was perturbed by the NX being TOO advanced for its era. It's like for me, the Daedalus should have been the NX, rather than being a previous ship, or an erased ship, which it sort of has become. Or, "Pacific 201" is about where I would have placed tech development as of 2200. I take TOS as the tech level there being rather new. When Scotty was a boy, things would have been very different. What with sociology, the 'breaking of the Time Barrier' the Enterprise refits from "The Cage" to TOS, even a line in the ST TMP novelization of the "Vulcan Sled" which I'll paraphrase as 'being able to run circles around' cruisers of a few generations ago, that the ease of what we see in TOS was a relatively recent development. A lot of post ST: ENTERPRISE work in the 22nd Century or pre TOS just sort of makes what we see in TOS as business as usual. On a related matter, we also have the confusion with the Romulans, who are thought of as just system bound folks with bad attitudes in their backstory in "Balance of Terror", yet also having the ability to war against and conquer presumably other systems within that very episode. That they had both poor tech and very advanced, that cloaking had never been seen before, and later in TOS, that the Klingons were above them and were basically turning them into a client state. Yet ST: ENTERPRISE turned all this on its head. I'm not sure I'm complaining, as the young earth Starfleet squaring off against a dangerous regional power is more intriguing that a young interstellar power bullying what would seem to be a more limited government, but it does create confusion. Even in the context of ST: ENTERPRISE, the local governments barely realize that the Romulans exist let alone anything about them. So, it's kind of hard for me to think that there were several species of enthralled aliens to be wrested from the Romulans on the Federation side of the border. But there might have been one or two which, in efforts to protect them, led the Federation to colonize in area, to build up a fleet and a ship like the Algerion Class so as to counter future attacks from an enemy empire which was very dangerous; which existence led to the creation of the Federation and maintenance of the neutral zone. Previously non-aligned governments near the zone would have likely been predisposed towards the Federation, leading to the center of the Federation leaning towards the neutral zone rather than veer away from it. What was a distant frontier would take up a lot of effort and be a focus, of development. My head canon for explaining some of the contradictions is that the Starfleet more or less learned about the Romulans being basically 'Vulcans'. But the Vulcans being the declining local superpower was able to convince everyone that that knowledge be suppressed; although, while THAT makes a lot of sense, suppressing knowledge of cloaking abilities makes considerable less sense! I'd have to wonder if that was terms for Romulans accords? Or if Starfleet didn't want people to realize that the Romulans could violate the neutral zone pretty much anytime that they wanted? For better or worse, for a free society, I suspect that the United Earth and the early Federation regularly censored and massaged data and controlled what people were told or how children were taught. There being a largely idealized vision of the rise from WWIII and the formation of the Federation.
Nice redesign of the NX- Class Explorer! I really really like it. This is the way Foley was telling Drexler the NX-01 Enterprise should have looked like filling in the aft section of the ship. This looks better than the NX Class refit to me. I want to see this ship in Picard!
My favorite videos you guys do are the ones with the guest creators and their original class designs! I really like the Algerion Class, ever since the Kelvin was introduced with Axanar's ships arriving a few years later, I've been kind of obsessed with this beta-canon in-between era of ships (so not including Discovery) because I think the flow from ENT to TOS works so much better with these, the design language is all there traversing from class to class all the way thru the TMP era. Good stuff!
I love this design. By the time we get to the TOS Constitution class it seems the only defense system was just big shields. (Well sort of, Balance of Terror nearly crippled the Enterprise by a fission bomb that just got close to the ship.) It would be wonderful to see a photon torpedo prematurely blown up by a "machine gun" of sorts.
If we do get a "Section 31" show, I REALLY hope it takes place in the ENT era, during the Earth/Romulan war, so we can get more beauties like this ship
I wouldn't say the name "Algerion" being the name of a ship that didn't participate in the Battle Of Algerion is "ironic." Many US Naval ships aren't named after battles they participated in. Case in point, the USS Coral Sea and the USS Midway.
I always thought the “ Star Fleet doesn’t have warships “ was a very limiting absolute. I always felt what SHOULD have been established is that Starfleet vessel would have the ability to be quickly converted to wartime use while at the same time have a relatively small number of each class built from the keel up as Wartime ships, but held mostly in reserve and as training vessels. So somewhere between 10 and 5 percent of each new class is commissioned as a purely military design but only engage in limited patrols well inside the federations boundaries. Furthermore the command staff of these vessels are required to be one earned rank higher than their counterparts on similar class ships… Thusly if we accept the logical argument that their are ships “captained” by officers whose rank are commander, Lt commander, and on much smaller ships even full Lieutenants, the military variants of those classes are rear Admirals, captains, and both kinds of commanders. I would also have a very few purpose built class of ships that are military only in design and in times of war assigned as the flags for 2-4 flag pipped admirals ….. that’s just my way off adding a little practicality into the idealistic canon
Hello Fellas 🤠, Love your content always!! Query: How does this introduction of this beautiful vessel allow for the NX Enterprise or Columbia Class Refit? Thanks again for everything you do and God Bless 🙏
Nice design, too bad it's fan-made, which means we'll never see it on screen, something I'd really like. Has anyone noticed that the Akira class and its STO counterpart are in essence an upside down NX class? Well, it seems to me.
If I remember correctly when ENT was in development simply taking the Akira Filming model (real or computer I forget which) and doing a few cosmetic changes to it and simply calling it the NX-01 was proposed and successfully fought off.
@Trekyards Can you please do one on the Invincible class and one of the Kirk Class Temporal Heavy Battlecruiser aka 32nd century Constitution class please?
What I love about this design, it really feels like, with the big squarish back end, that this was an evolution from the Constitution class to the Excelsior class as far as feel and some design cues. I love that, it makes it feel real to the timeline.
That’s a great design.
Thank you!
My first thought is that it's really big, but then Drexler's "ape brain" philosophy jumped in my head and it makes sense that ships would get bigger before they got smaller. The connie has the same size saucer as the NX because over time, they determined that saucer size was more optimal for power output v. ease of warp bubble, and technology advancements made the smaller size of the Connie possible again. I really like it... Though looking at the spinning animations, I think I'd like it even more with a Miranda/nacelle down configuration.
I love the narrative because it perfectly fits in reality with the back and forth for the ship's design.
Thanks, that was the idea!
The counter fire batteries and the repurposing of ships from something that was a considered but secondary mission till it became a vital primary in US Naval history was the role of antiaircraft fire support for the fleet carriers. Early on most pre-WW2 capital ships' antiaircraft fire was at worst token and at best not nearly enough to handle a determined aerial assault. Slowly, painfully at times, lessons were learned and ships found wanting were refit to turn them into effective screens for the new star of the fleet, the flattops. No ship served better in this role than the very ship that these fast-moving airports than the ships that they had supplanted as the Navy's darling, the Battleships. Not every battle wagon could keep up with the carriers so only a few of the newest types were set the task of keeping watch as these shops plowed the waves and the best of those were the four ships of the Iowa class.
Nice! Star Trek doesn't use Electronic Warfare active and counter systems. Sometimes for reasons of plot, sensor interference, plays into the story. There should be along side photon torpedos, anti sensor torpedos homing on active sensor systems. There should be counter sensor torpedos howling across sensor bands gibberish to blind enemy systems.
Missing also is a Combat Information Center and Auxillary Bridge. Season One of TNG was headed in the right direction with the Battle Bridge and the XO being there as the Red Alert duty station. This was likely discarded for reasons of production schedule and budget more than cinematic story.
As for why would the Federation, design, then redesign, and redesign a ship? Engineering and Design. You have something that you know works, this cuts out years of testing and simulation to get that hull from an idea to a fighting ship.
I would love to see some ships on loan or integrated into this militarized Star Fleet from the newer Member worlds. In the real world, alliances like NATO or PacRim, the agreements are in commonality of munitions and fuel mostly. Member nations provide ships they have tested and approve as effective for that class.Example, is the mentions CIWS (Close In Weapon System) some members use the Phalanx (in video) British use Goalkeeper, and the Russians field a larger two gun system with incorporated missiles too.
I like single hull ships! The USS Franklin is still a fascinating ship design as well.
Nice ship. It's always nice when people put a point defence system on their designs.
I’ve missed these ship talks
Yeah, it makes perfect sense that ships have names based on the previous conflicts.
This ship, particularly the 'rectangular bulge' in the middle, its scale, and warship nature sort of reminds me of Samuel's YORKTOWN class designed for the "Romulan War". This is sort of like a balance between that and the NX class. I'm not sure if you've intended this or not, but this design and the universe conception supporting it, would help bridge ST: ENTERPRISE with DISCO. What with the number of ships that are vaguely or not so vaguely NX inspired, or the increased scale (or apparently increased scale), point defense weapons, and available ships in Starfleet and so on.
While originally a warship design, this does look like a big step forward technologically from the NX. Which is rather a surprise in that the NX was the ultimate in human tech as of 2151, but I suppose several years makes a difference. Particularly if alien tach is thrown in.; if the Andorians were contributing very hard towards a human ally in the Romulan War, it would help explain this ship and that there is something vaguely 'Andorian' in its look. Even if that is a rectangular middle and some blue highlights. I was a bit surprised about the blue cylinders on the upper hull being communication units, although I suppose it makes sense in that subspace communications wouldn't be easy. This might be interpreted as a system with much better bandwidth, much less need for comm buoys, and less lag time.
The ship might be oversized, the NX is often portrayed as a small ship, but is already about the size as the Constitution's primary hull. For better or worse, I do see that as a 'soft limit' as to Starfleet's saucer sections. On the other hand, maybe the Miranda makes for a better example and limit? ;) Anyway, again, The NX is meant to be a big deal for the earth's pre-Federation Starfleet, the INTREPID class being the warship of the United Earth, clearly stretching the limits of what humans can do in the 2440s, the NX being a huge leap forward.
I don't know. Part of my problem is that while overall I do like ST: ENTERPRISE, while some people didn't like the technological limitations, I was perturbed by the NX being TOO advanced for its era. It's like for me, the Daedalus should have been the NX, rather than being a previous ship, or an erased ship, which it sort of has become. Or, "Pacific 201" is about where I would have placed tech development as of 2200. I take TOS as the tech level there being rather new. When Scotty was a boy, things would have been very different. What with sociology, the 'breaking of the Time Barrier' the Enterprise refits from "The Cage" to TOS, even a line in the ST TMP novelization of the "Vulcan Sled" which I'll paraphrase as 'being able to run circles around' cruisers of a few generations ago, that the ease of what we see in TOS was a relatively recent development. A lot of post ST: ENTERPRISE work in the 22nd Century or pre TOS just sort of makes what we see in TOS as business as usual.
On a related matter, we also have the confusion with the Romulans, who are thought of as just system bound folks with bad attitudes in their backstory in "Balance of Terror", yet also having the ability to war against and conquer presumably other systems within that very episode. That they had both poor tech and very advanced, that cloaking had never been seen before, and later in TOS, that the Klingons were above them and were basically turning them into a client state. Yet ST: ENTERPRISE turned all this on its head. I'm not sure I'm complaining, as the young earth Starfleet squaring off against a dangerous regional power is more intriguing that a young interstellar power bullying what would seem to be a more limited government, but it does create confusion. Even in the context of ST: ENTERPRISE, the local governments barely realize that the Romulans exist let alone anything about them.
So, it's kind of hard for me to think that there were several species of enthralled aliens to be wrested from the Romulans on the Federation side of the border. But there might have been one or two which, in efforts to protect them, led the Federation to colonize in area, to build up a fleet and a ship like the Algerion Class so as to counter future attacks from an enemy empire which was very dangerous; which existence led to the creation of the Federation and maintenance of the neutral zone. Previously non-aligned governments near the zone would have likely been predisposed towards the Federation, leading to the center of the Federation leaning towards the neutral zone rather than veer away from it. What was a distant frontier would take up a lot of effort and be a focus, of development.
My head canon for explaining some of the contradictions is that the Starfleet more or less learned about the Romulans being basically 'Vulcans'. But the Vulcans being the declining local superpower was able to convince everyone that that knowledge be suppressed; although, while THAT makes a lot of sense, suppressing knowledge of cloaking abilities makes considerable less sense! I'd have to wonder if that was terms for Romulans accords? Or if Starfleet didn't want people to realize that the Romulans could violate the neutral zone pretty much anytime that they wanted? For better or worse, for a free society, I suspect that the United Earth and the early Federation regularly censored and massaged data and controlled what people were told or how children were taught. There being a largely idealized vision of the rise from WWIII and the formation of the Federation.
i think i am in love
great back history, awesome modeling and design, wish I could model to this level.
To truly defeat the Kzinti, you need a Puppeteer.
Now I need an animation with this ship so I can hear the almighty BRRRRRRRT.
Nice redesign of the NX- Class Explorer! I really really like it. This is the way Foley was telling Drexler the NX-01 Enterprise should have looked like filling in the aft section of the ship. This looks better than the NX Class refit to me. I want to see this ship in Picard!
I love the ship upside down. Oh my
I would love to see this ship in Star Trek Online ass as the Archer class anniversary ship. I really loved the Enterprise show.
A cool design.
My favorite videos you guys do are the ones with the guest creators and their original class designs! I really like the Algerion Class, ever since the Kelvin was introduced with Axanar's ships arriving a few years later, I've been kind of obsessed with this beta-canon in-between era of ships (so not including Discovery) because I think the flow from ENT to TOS works so much better with these, the design language is all there traversing from class to class all the way thru the TMP era. Good stuff!
If you want it to be an explorer, launch it before Tuesday. If you want a warship, launch it after Tuesday.
Great work. I can see this being a ship that exists in the show.
I love this design. By the time we get to the TOS Constitution class it seems the only defense system was just big shields. (Well sort of, Balance of Terror nearly crippled the Enterprise by a fission bomb that just got close to the ship.) It would be wonderful to see a photon torpedo prematurely blown up by a "machine gun" of sorts.
Awesome job on the video today
Good choice for the Music - a version of part of Holst's the planets "Jupiter". Cmdr Cockins has done a good job heare,
In star trek online one of the Akira variants has a point defense system
That's impressive work.
Fantastic. It's evolutionary perfection.
Thank you!
It beautiful ship design
I love the fact that they added color to the ships. That is one thing I like about Discovery series.
Would love to have this ship in star trek online.
Looks very NX looking. But I love me some NX-era love.
If we do get a "Section 31" show, I REALLY hope it takes place in the ENT era, during the Earth/Romulan war, so we can get more beauties like this ship
I wouldn't say the name "Algerion" being the name of a ship that didn't participate in the Battle Of Algerion is "ironic." Many US Naval ships aren't named after battles they participated in. Case in point, the USS Coral Sea and the USS Midway.
How could a ship be named after a battle but be launched before it? Its impossible. I'm going to name my grandad after my great grandson.
@@Saltybuher Well - the Battle of Alergon was in 2155, this ship was launched a number of years after that in the early 2160s
Been waiting for another video Like this :)
Yup.... well we filmed this over a year ago incase you thought I disappeared...
I always thought the “ Star Fleet doesn’t have warships “ was a very limiting absolute.
I always felt what SHOULD have been established is that Starfleet vessel would have the ability to be quickly converted to wartime use while at the same time have a relatively small number of each class built from the keel up as Wartime ships, but held mostly in reserve and as training vessels. So somewhere between 10 and 5 percent of each new class is commissioned as a purely military design but only engage in limited patrols well inside the federations boundaries. Furthermore the command staff of these vessels are required to be one earned rank higher than their counterparts on similar class ships…
Thusly if we accept the logical argument that their are ships “captained” by officers whose rank are commander, Lt commander, and on much smaller ships even full Lieutenants, the military variants of those classes are rear Admirals, captains, and both kinds of commanders. I would also have a very few purpose built class of ships that are military only in design and in times of war assigned as the flags for 2-4 flag pipped admirals ….. that’s just my way off adding a little practicality into the idealistic canon
Eric Henry's Pacific 201 NX-Class Explorer redesign is also A nice looking ship.
I LOVE this ship! I hope Eaglemoss is making a XL version👍🖖⭐
How does one submit these fan designs?
Stunning design.
I would to see the inside of the ship to compare with nx01 please
Thanks for the upload! I hope you will do one for the Geneva class one day!
I like turtles.
Hello Fellas 🤠, Love your content always!! Query: How does this introduction of this beautiful vessel allow for the NX Enterprise or Columbia Class Refit? Thanks again for everything you do and God Bless 🙏
saucer is a little too flat imo, but other than that looks good.
David I am writing a story I'd love to use this for it
Would love to hear it!
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Thanks I'm writing for the first time not sure what the premise is but want to write a star trek for sure.
🤔 interesting
I like the design but I personally think its too big
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Turn it upside down and it could become a Walker Class ship.
Nice design, too bad it's fan-made, which means we'll never see it on screen, something I'd really like. Has anyone noticed that the Akira class and its STO counterpart are in essence an upside down NX class? Well, it seems to me.
If I remember correctly when ENT was in development simply taking the Akira Filming model (real or computer I forget which) and doing a few cosmetic changes to it and simply calling it the NX-01 was proposed and successfully fought off.
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Caught between war and peace…
I dub thee the USS Meh, and it’s sister ship the Shrugs .
I love the ship design but did you guys forget that Federation in its early days didnt use phaser strip array but rather phaser cannons??
@Trekyards Can you please do one on the Invincible class and one of the Kirk Class Temporal Heavy Battlecruiser aka 32nd century Constitution class please?
It’s a little too flat looking.