Excelsior Class II (2401) - First Look (Picard S2)
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Makes sense that Starfleet would create a brand new ship class based on a very successful design. Unlike the Miranda that got slaughtered during the Dominion War, the Excelsior did far better. From what I know Captain De Soto's U.S.S. Hood made it through the war, and was also part of the task force sent to intercept the Scimitar in Star Trek Nemesis.
There is actually a successor for the Miranda Class: The Reliant Class, which formed part of the 25th century fleet shown near the Borg ship in Season 2 Episode 1 of Star Trek Picard.
@@globalcitizen8321 Oh I'm aware, I'm an avid player of STO and own all the ships in game they designed that has become cannon. I'm hoping that the new Stargazer will be a zstore ship and not a gambling box reward.
Disagree. Every time we see an excelsior in battle her saucer is vaporized. Look at the evidence seen when borg cutting beam disintegrated it in the Wolf 359 flashback in Emissary, when the orbital weapon platform shoots through it in Tears of the Prophets, or in What you leave behind when the enemy beam weapon shoots clear through the sauce before the defiant zooms by. I’d say they are just as vulnerable all things considered. Having said that, and as much as I like the new stargazer, I do wish this was the ship Seven captains in season 3 of Picard. If her being captain is even part of the plot. Lol I want a captain seven!
@@superhayes256 I was going to mention that I do remember seeing plenty of Excelsior class ships that didn't fare too well.
I totally agree. Excelsior is, in my opinion, one of the best designs in all of Star Trek.
It would seem that Star Fleet agrees and perhaps like the Defiant/San Paulo these new build II's are receiving the special dispensation treatments to carry forth some of that naval tradition's good fortunes.
Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon 😆😆 but yeah she really is one beautiful class vessel.
The Excelsior is the B-52 of Starfleet. It'll be around in the 32nd century.
Wow I love this design and it makes sense to me. The Excelsior was perfect in the 24th century as a heavy 2nd rate support cruiser. It make sense to update the design and keep her in that role
Excelsior and Sovereign had a love child! love IT!
The excelsior 2 is the love child of a sovereign class starship, and the OG excelsior.
Yep, a little less obviously than the USS Archimedes from lower decks
And that's not a bad thing at all.
@@jamesj5565 The Archimedes might be a variant.
You could put in the possibility that the Excelsior class II and the Class the Archimedes are indeed two different variants of the new excelsior classes one more dedicated for exploration and work horse duties and the other a proper ship of the line that is more warship/explorer.
Finally a sexy starfleet design in modern trek. A well welcomed change.
Samuel: "it's so bold of them to go so classic" 3:08
better phrased as: "to boldy go where everyone has gone before"
"To rarely go where no one has gone before." - Lower Decks
I wish they'd used the Obena class. My only guess as to why is that since the Obena reuses the Sovereign nacelle design, they were worried about them being visually confused with the Sovereign in fleet shots?
I'm really liking a return to classic designs from the TOS Film Era through Lost Era as inspiration for the newest ships of the fleet. Gives a sense of continuity of the naval design lineage going back to Kirk's time to the new current era, and gives a nice counterpoint to the copy and paste fleet from the last episode of Picard Season 1. It was always implied Starfleet was more varied than just the hero ships we got to see on screen, and this definitely helps fill out that fleet with niches other than what the Enterprise would occupy.
I like how it looks similar to the Probert Ambassador design when viewed from the side. This is great for fans of that ship!
I love the Excelsior II (even though I still argue that it should be called the Excelsior III, because the refit Excelsiors (Enterprise-B) were called Excelsior II years ago by some fans). But my issue with the registry is that if they are new ships they need to be in the 90000 range. Also we know the "legacy registry" thing is reserved for special ships that do special things, like the Enterprise. The original Excelsior (NCC-2000) is loved by many fans and over the years has become known as "Sulu's ship" to many of those same fans. Some even wanted to see it featured in a Captain Sulu show. And as Sulu's ship, a lot of fans came to believe that the Excelsior under Sulu went on to do special things. I just think that not giving the new Excelsior an "A" suffix is tantamount to saying that the original Excelsior didn't distinguish herself as many fans wanted, which is kind of disappointing. I think this is kind of a sticking point that they could and should easily retcon later. Now as for the other Excelsior II shown here (Eureka) I think that if it's in the 42000 range, it could very well be a refit of a previously existing Excelsior refit. Remember the U.S.S. Lakota's registry was NCC-42768. So perhaps the Eureka was originally a contemporary of the Lakota. I would not be opposed to this, as I believe Starfleet does have a history of upgrading the ships it has. I think this could be proven on screen by showing the Lakota as an Excelsior II, with her original registry.
I definitely think that this should be the Excelsior III class, with the ENT-B type as Excelsior II!
In the Picard episode it’s in a background terminal lists it as NCC-2000
For the comparison video you should include the Obena class with the Excelsior.
Well the Obena has different N’accéléra pillars than the one in Picard
With replicator technology used in construction (see application of the wine label on the vinyard) refit could mean something totally different to a 25th century person than what we would think. If any original materials or even original design elements are used it could be considered a "refit" to them. Even if we in the era of welding steel plates can't imagine that.
Apparently people in the welding era are imagining that...
The beauty shot of the Excelsior shows it has a slim 2nd set of saucer impulse engines akin to the Excelsior Refit, but they are missing from the orthos.
The Excelsior by the end of the Federation-Klingon Cold war was also more the Heavy Cruiser / Battle Cruiser of the federation, and has held that role even up to the dominion war as more a federation warship/explorer rather than a explorer/warship. So it would make sense that the Excelsior Class II would retain that role as a warship first/ exploration vehicle next and inheriting some of the designs influence that the soverign had (which itself was inspired by the Excelsior and was a Battlecruiser first/exploration second).
So its good to see another proper federation warship again. The Federation should always have at least a few cruisers or heavy warship class that has exploration as a secondary but still looks good and able to perform both functions
I think what would typically be the bulbous structure between the nacelles was the surprising design element for me. It has been angled , it retracts to its base. and it is nested in an crevasse. This aspect really made my heart sing!
42037 is George Takei's birthday. It's a homage registration number.
Thank you. That helps a lot. Because otherwise the number is much to low.
BEAUTIFUL ! Always loved this ship. Should have been the USS ENTERPRISE A at the end of Star Trek IV.
"If the Excelsior were a Stretch Armstrong?"
I like it
I LOVE this. Gorgeous revision on the classic Excelsior. Not enough to trick me into subjecting myself to any Nu Trek though.
Well, keeping the general design elements from a very successful vessel class that's been a great work horse for the Federation for over a century to create a new ship makes a lot of sense. Keeping what worked and updating to the latest technologies has worked so far for the Klingons. And the new Reliant class is a nod in this direction as well
I throughly enjoyed seeing the Excelsior II Class makes it appearance on season two of Picard. I have no issue with the lower block of hull numbers for the ships listed, I tend to think of them as a numbering sequence "reserved" for Excelsior class directives. Not quite in parallel, but down here on North West Florida's Emerald Coast (where I live) at Eglin AFB, we received the first production of F-15EX (AF#20-001) Eagle which the Air Force is calling it, the "Eagle II." AF#20-001 looks just like the F-15s "A" "B" and "C" models that have been flying now since 1972, but the jet is brand new. The naming convention of Excelsior II is completely appropriate for this new class of Starship which clearly is a proven design, other wise Star Fleet would have retired and scrapped them decades ago. Great job guys on the new content.
Cockings is right about the 42000 registrations being a "hmmm" case.
But that makes sense if Doug and John are attempting to address some continuity problems introduced during early TNG. If you recall, the 42000 registrations were initially drawn up for the Probert Ambassador guest ships. However, for budgetary reasons, that studio model was never built, and the Excelsior studio model was used instead. It wasn't until Yesterday's Enterprise we finally got a take on the Ambassador.
By introducing an Excelsior II class with similar registrations to the Okudagram ships in TNG, Doug and John have given us the option to adopt the Excelsior II retroactively into the earlier canon.
I think the Connie refit may have looked good with the flat saucer underneath. Its hard to picture it
if the excelsior 2 class was a refit of an older class, where were the Excelsior 2's during the Dominion War?
at 588m that about 120m longer than the original, and about 70m longer than the Ambassador class, so there is no way those are refits of old Excelsiors
Love seeing this, its terrific.
This class of star ship really makes you feel like your a starship
Yup.
The angles, striping and length of the nacelles makes it looks like it’s built for speed
I want this as a model love the Excelsior-class and Now we got a Excelsior II-class. Kind of makes me wish the the Enterprise(NCC-1701-G) was part of this class. But was still blown away as she is a beautiful ship.
The neck is a little weird, but, in general, this is a good design and fits in real well.
I cannot help but really enjoy this new design. I'm very nostalgic for and love the original ship designs and the Excelsior II is a very welcome callback to that style.
🖖😎👍A very nice and cool looking ship for sure, A great upgrade for the Excelsior class indeed 👌...
They lost so many ships in both of the Borg incursions and the Dominion war that they would just reuse ship registries.
A ship like this makes Enterprise even more cannon, because if they like to replicate a design language almost 100 years apart, it means that starfleet ship designers will pull in elements from the past, similar to how clothing designers will be influenced by past trends.
The 7:50 mark....if you really look at it from the top and side-view......it really does look like a Sovereign-Class. The top-view is spot-on with a Sovereign, and the side-view....the neck is slightly taller, but it still looks spot-on for a Sovereign-Class. I feel like that may have been the inspiration for the design on this ship....looks really good.
There is a little mistake regarding the position of the warp engines at the picture at 7:20
From above its bent backwards and from the side its bent forward.
The new ship is indeed very nice :)
Captain Foley addressed this... it's a complicated design.
And before he did, I had the same thought that you did, that it was an error.
5:35
The horizontal struts do sweep rear, but as they bend to vertical struts, they lean forward.
So it appears on 2D orthos to contradict, it probably would take a 3D model to explain completely.
I guess kind of imagine a boomerang shape, bent 90' at the angle, it sweeps back on the bottom plane, and forward on the top, vertical plane.
:)
Another example I can think of is think of a normal airplane's wings, slightly swept back (from the top), and at the end of the wings, vertical stabilisers that lean forward (from the side).
Hope this helps, I bet they will address it in the future comparisons!
I'd love to see trekyards take on the A .F.S Khitomar someday😊
I think this is a fine looking ship i still get a refit vibe from it
The registry number could be from when the ship was being developed. Its entirely possible this design could have been built, scrapped, redone over and over again cause they couldnt get it right dating back to the C era. Its just one theory anyway.
That, and with the number of registries possible, entire blocks of Registries were probably allocated to specific projects and shipyards. Who's to say all of them were utilized? Particularly if the blocks corresponded upon creation to a specific year / era. And later on Starfleet decides to go back and utilize any un-used blocks of registries. Serves the purpose of using them, and it could really throw off opponents who might have been accustomed to the year blocks representing how new a design / ship is.
Or it's absolutely a possibility an Excelsior-II design program existed that may not have truly been greenlighted but was allocated registry blocks. Didn't even have to get far into the prototyping phase or spaceframe construction. Probably due to the incredible success and longevity of the Excelsior-I class. In the Enterprise-C era, Starfleet could have absolutely been expecting to need to roll out a replacement, but the Excelsiors simply kept rolling on, kicking ass and chewing bubble gum! And Starfleet just kept kicking the can down the road, because why fix something if it ain't broke? Then came the 2370's and the Excelsior began to reach it's limits of refit tolerance and spaceframe fatigue. Project is suddenly given the go, and new hulls begin building using the allocated Excelsior-II registries.
The second ship to be named Excelsior had the registration of 21445, also there were 42k registration in the older run of ships
Maybe they had originally planned an "Excelsior II" class back in the Enterprise C era and set these registries aside... but then for one reason or another the project got delayed for multiple decades.
I'm increasingly convinced that what starfleet does is it assigns blocks of registry numbers to certain development projects and those numbers don't change even if the development project for a new class takes 20-40years and once that block of numbers is used up then they assign new registration numbers to the new class of ship. It perfectly explains why brand new ships can have such old registry numbers.
Yeah, ships with lower registration numbers generally have a number after them to show they are not the Original, the Excelsior in Picard simply says NCC 2000.
Wow. Based on the first view it looks bigger than a Galaxy Class. Even just the count of decks at the saucer edge.
Weird thing about the stargazer is that other than having 4 nacelles it doesn’t look like the Constellation class, it looks much more like the Buran from DSC
Like the design! ...maybe it is a new build of a legacy design, and they wanted to represent the legacy aspect with the registry numbering.
I thought they’d waved away the registry issues before by saying that the numbers are not always assigned sequentially. There is precedent for that in the real world. In WW 2 the US deliberately did not assign sequential numbers for some of their equipment and ships so as to confuse the Axis powers about how many of something they’d produced.
Excelsior II Class, named after the first ship of it's class. The USS Excelsior II, LOL
Beautiful ship! The only original Excelsior class, I like is the USS Enterprise NCC1701B!!
Enterprise B though was a refit of the Excelsior class, so it wasn't an "original".
Stuart & Sam - A great review and very interesting!
When the exploits of the crew and their ship are legendary enough that you make their insignia the fleet-wide standard it would therefore figure that anything else of that original which could be singled out then it would be, despite Scotty's " No Bloody! " opinion on the follow-ups.
The "USS Enterprise" insignia always WAS the fleetwide insignia for starship service (see Bob Justman's December, 1967 memo to William Ware Theiss regarding the costuming ERROR of giving the USS Exeter a unique badge in "The Omega Glory"). Other insignia are for other parts of the service. The change post-TOS was harmonizing the starship service badge to all branches of Starfleet service. We seldom see non-flag-rank starship personnel that are not from the Enterprise in TOS, but when we do, they ARE wearing the starship service delta badge.
given the number of times that we see other Constitution-class vessels with the crew who were wearing individually designed insignias before prequels started meddling I'm gonna have to call into question that the Delta was always the fleet standard. Strange New Worlds might settle this canons inconsistency.
@@randybentley2633Again, the production memo from Bob Justman to William Ware Theiss dated 18 December 1967 indicates that the individual insignia/individual ship idea is incorrect and descends from a costuming error in "The Omega Glory." Other insignia generally appear to belong to other branches of the service, not to specific ships.
Antares personnel are not Starfleet, they're civilian auxiliary. Justman specifically points out that insignia as belonging to the merchant and support fleet in general, not specifically to Antares.
The sunflower insignia we see Bob Wesley from Lexington wearing is otherwise seen exclusively on flag officers and shore personnel (such as Starfleet attorney Areel Shaw). Wesley may, therefore, be a shore-assigned flag officer on a temporary assignment. Other officers we see on Lexington wearing the same insignia may simply be Wesley's flag staff.
Commodore Stocker, again, is wearing the shore-personnel sunflower insignia. If insignia were unique to each assignment, you would expect him not to be wearing the badge supposedly assigned to the USS Lexington.
Commodore Decker is a permanently-embarked flag officer (the only flag officer seen in TOS with a field command, in fact), so his insignia may well simply reflect being an embarked flag officer as opposed to a shoreside flag officer.
Defiant crew members and officers are universally seen wearing the arrowhead.
The flower-spike insignia is exclusively worn by outpost personnel, who seem to come to severely awful ends almost exclusively. It's even deadlier than wearing a red shirt.
Really, the near-universality of the sunflower insignia on flag officers and shore support personnel should put to bed the idea that each insignia belongs to a single ship - during the Kirk era, one would suppose that the majority of Starfleet personnel that civilians come in contact with wear the sunflower, NOT the delta. So the arrowhead insignia appears based on this sample to indicate Starship-assigned personnel of grades lower than O-7, with personnel ranked O-7 and above either wearing the rising petal insignia (permanent field billets) or the sunflower insignia (shore billets) and further I might surmise that the adaptation of the Starship Service arrowhead to represent all members of Starfleet might be to acknowledge the contributions of the Starship Service as a whole, rather than to specifically celebrate the Enterprise.
You see Eeves and Drexler know Trek in it's Designlanguage. Nice touch and refreshing to see this beside all the less trekky Designs recently.
Would nice to see the size comparison with a sovereign class.
would be interesting, also with it just 93m shorter by length
TWO POINTS TO MAKE BASED ON OTHER COMMENTS I HAVE READ.
ONE ---Some sources designate the LAKOTA and ENTERPRISE B as Excelsior UPRTD (obviously for uprated) suggesting non standard variants.
TWO---During GULF WAR ONE to liberate Kuwait the first real use of British CHALLENGER ONE Tanks it was found that while good there was room to improve hence the CHALLENGER TWO Tanks used in GULF WAR TWO (INVASION OF IRAQ).
So while the Excelsior class was okay in the DOMINION WAR Starfleet probably built the new Excelsior ll class after (maybe continuing the numbering) after ) to a newer updated standard hence Excelsior ll rather than just Excelsior
Missed a trick in not making it the NCC-42069
Beautiful design, only thing I'm a bit iffy about is the neck. Black bit should be it. Maybe shift the saucer forward a little. Otherwise I think I'm buying the eaglemoss as soon as its available.
The saucer overhang does seem a bit out of proportion to the rest of the ship
I really like this channel. That said, i get the idea to come into discussions without prep... its clear and it shows(im speaking for the channel as a whole)... with my own limited knowledge i can answer your own questions which i get is part of the charm but i'd like a little more... a little deeper look? Maybe one of you does homework first to answer questions.... i dunno. you are the the geniuses..
We do both the "First look" style and the "deep dive" videos :) Our deep dive videos are easily found on the channel. We built this whole channel on our deep dive full breakdowns
Looks like a predecessor to the 'Obena' class from ST:LD 2x10, First First Contact.
The thing I like about this design is that the secondary hull is curved, and does not shoot straight back to the rear.
FWIW this isn't completely unheard of in navel history. The Royal Navy had a King George V class Pre-Dreadnought back in the late 1800's, then had the modern KGV class fast battleships during WWII; although I don't think they looked much of anything like their predecessors.
USS Grissom had a much lower registry than the refit Enterprise even though it was obviously newer. Could registry have something to do with class as well as build date?
Like a cars VIN number, or a computer has a list of unused numbers and assigned using a formula so the top of the line ships have the higher numbers and the legacy ships have the lowest numbers so its more designed date baced than built date but will be depending on whats available as bet some would be reserved like NCC-17xx to avoid confusion with the flagship
Or Grissom was refit.
That’s precisely how the US Navy does it.
I love this updated class
I wouldn't be surprised if the original design was brought out in the Ent-C era, and this is an updated refit. The original Excelsior class was refitted for like 100 years or whatever, lol.
It does look like the registry numbers should be higher, but it could be that they wanted "420" in them! (LOL)! USS Centaur also has "420" in its registry as well.
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Just watched this video great video, love these guys & their videos. I hate to say it I’m a hater of the Excelsior Class even when I was a kid I agreed with Scotty about the ship & his grandmother being a wagon if she had wheels.lol 🤪🤓
I’m a Connie man through & through, I don’t know why I don’t like the Excelsior Class but the Picard version is a decent update to the class.
I couldn’t think of it as a kid but now as a 38 year old the Excelsior Class looks like it’s a starship for bankers or really arrogant Admirals or Commodores etc that’s probably why I hated it from ST-Search for Spock…lol 😁😂🤓🖖🖖🖖
This is the Excelsior 2. WHY? Well in the background you see it say NCC-2000, no A, No 42037.
Good evening gentlemen, Interesting thanks for sharing your thoughts on this ship
Perhaps the Excelsior II IS of the Ambassador era, with 1st or 2nd major refit nacelles.
i am wondering if the first digit of the registry number indicates class or function of the ship. eg 8's being front line explorers , 7 being science vessels etc.
Personally, even if the designers had intended these ships to be brand new builds, I think it makes more sense that they’re “refit Excelsior” ships that underwent the same process the original Enterprise had from TOS to the movies. That would explain their lower registry numbers in the 40000s and the term “Excelsior II” (whereas the refit Constitution-class could’ve been named “Constitution II class”). Also, there was another U.S.S. Excelsior that served in the 2370s and that was mentioned in TNG “Interface.” It could be that same ship that got completely refit. That’s my personal take on it.
There were some fans in the 80s and 90s that called the refit Enterprise a Constitution II (though there were some people that called it an Enterprise class).
In my head canon, Starfleet built Excelsiors in batches, each one upgraded from the ones before. At some point, a Ship of Theseus situation occurs with the design and the newest batch is almost a whole new class, so they designated it the Excelsior-II class.
@@terrywest111 Yes, I also had the impression that the refit Constitution used to be designated as “Constitution II” in the beta works, but I wasn’t sure… Thanks for confirming that for me! So it’d make sense that the Excelsior II would be the designated term for Excelsior refit, as we’ve never seen Starfleet use the “II” designation for a brand new class before and it would seem to unoriginal of Starfleet to do so. :)
No, in official material - tech manuals and stuff, I saw "Enterprise-class" or "Enterprise-subclass / subtype" far more than I ever saw "Constitution-II" mentioned. Not saying I never saw Constitution-II mentioned, but I think that was more in the Games than anything else like Starfleet Command and Starfleet Battles, which aren't cannon?
I can't see this being a refit. The core structural elements of the Primary and Secondary hull are simply too radically different. The Enterprise-subclass refit was still obviously built on the bones of the original Constitutions. The Excelsior-II however, they would have had to slice up practically the entirety of the saucer and rebuild it from scrap and peices (there goes the primary hull) and they would have had to cut off the front 3rd of the secondary hull and build it a new one.
@@ealan3694 For sure, I've seen "Enterprise-class" more often in old beta canon material than Constitution II (which I think you're right, it might have come from the games). Still, in that regard, I never thought the term "Enterprise-class" made any sense as the Enterprise was not technically the first of a brand new class.
Personally, I could see this as a refit... The secondary hull looks almost identical to the original Excelsior. The neck seems to have gained an extension at the back. As for the saucer, they might have reworked the entire structure to turn the round saucer into an oval one, much like how the shape of the TOS Enterprise's secondary hull was dramatically changed too. As for the nacelles, they could've been totally replaced just like the Constitution-class was. Still, until we have more on-screen evidence, it doesn't mean either of us is right or wrong 😅
Liking this one a lot!
I like it. A worthy successor. With it seeming so large. It kind of reminds me of a Galaxy Class. Only more dedicated (at least in usage) to non combat roles.
Oooh she's Beautiful! I hope this get's added to STO at some point.
Makes you wonder if all the excelsior, galaxy, nebula classes were destroyed while getting refitted for colony carriers when the sithattack at mars. So we get the new Ross class, Southerland class and new excelsior? Never know lol
It fits the new styling, the large neck is a bit weird, but it's a fine looking ship ...
How many Saratoga’s has starfleet built do some people think they have the same registry numbers?
Yeah, the class has grown on me, too.
Great design!
maybe the design is E-C era but it's been off screen in committee, Sam's got the right idea
When people die, their social security numbers get reassigned to someone newly born...
So maybe Starfleet decided to do the same, and they are reusing old registry numbers specifically for new starships that are modernized reiterations of an older class like the Excelsior IIs and the NCC 40,000s...
The numbering isn't consistent, but 42 is the answer to everything.
Wonder if they updated the USS Hood NCC-42296 to this design after the Dominion War...
oh look an Excelsior and a Sovereign had a baby.
I'm with Stewart, I've never been a big fan of the Excelsior but it has grown on me. But other than the neck being a bit too big for my liking, I do really like this ship!
I find it a little weird that Starfleet would use older designs, tweak them, but still keep the overall design aesthetic down to small details. And then they even recycle older names. But this seems to be what they do. Are all USS Stargazers four-nacelled, do all USS Excelsiors have the same recycled elements? I guess they’ve been doing it since the beginning though (NX-class and Akira-class) and will still be doing it in the 32nd century (USS Voyager). So it’s not a one-off fluke.
I’m now imagining the Royal Navy launching a new HMS Victory that looks like the sailing man-of-war down to the gunports and masts but is a modern, nuclear-powered warship. :)
It's a TOS films era version of the Sovereign.
Technically, this would be the third iteration of the Excelsior design. The first was the one we saw in ST III and then again in ST VI. The second interation would be the refit verison we saw as the Enterprise B in Generations.
That logic doesn't really hold up given that minor differences within a class are normal and not designated as their own class.
@@willstikken5619 I said "iteration" you said class. You didn't read.
I love the 3/4 view but I'm not digging the saucer. Something is off or missing. Maybe it's the fact it's a perfect oval. I think there should've been something protruding where it connects to the neck, like saucer impuls engines or something. Like with the Enterprise-E.
I kind of think they're not just honoring the excelsior's line which was primarily in the 4's and they're just picking up where the Excelsior's line left off. I'm using my imagination mixed in with a little bit of Vulcan logic. LLAP guys.
I do like the idea of going about too a previous class, like excelsior 2 class. Instead of the variant classes, that look similar to the original
Maybe 5 number NCC are reserved for refit and mark 2 classes
It's probably the best new Starfleet ship of the modern Trek era...I suppose that's not too difficult if all you do it just make some minor adjustments to an already fantastic looking ship so, it was a low bar for them to cross but hey, I'll take it.
The neck is so long it does not even properly end, like you might forget that it's there.
John Eaves removed a neck without removing a neck.
Awesome ship
Would love to fly this in STO
could it be a 42-023 as in, class 42nd range 023rd model
not familiar with the system of numbering though...
Is it realy a New Ship Class?
For me looks like a DSC Version of the Excelsior Class,
totaly overhoul and refited for the 25th Century.
To the Stargazer i had same feeling.
For a new ship class based of a legendary Desing, it has too many old components and desing language.
Best Example for such kind of totaly overhoul ship class is of course the Constituion.
Its looks totaly different to the origin but we recognized it as the good old 'Connie'
In STO the Excalibur Class is a good example for a brand new ship with nostalgic 'Connie' vipes.
Actually he said it as a joke - but why not be NCC FOUR 2037 ?
Four being "type 4" of the class subset Excelsior NCC 2000 being Type 1
So it could be read as
4th Generation
2000 Series
Ship Hull number # 37
The 37 could even be the 37th ship from that design house. But if you had 4 as a distinct identifier (such as a ship yard code) then it could just be the 2037th thing they built. and if the same ship class was built in another yard it may had an entirely different number string.
Though another idea might be that 4 could denote "origin" *except legacy numbers* and then the number after that is just the hull number.
There is nothing stopping them using an old number if the old one is not in use though.
Lets say they had a bunch of Ships that were entirely decommisioned - those numbers might be freed up then.
It’s what the resolute class in Sto should have been.
My main complaint is... we have Excelsior (II) in service at the same time as Excelsior (I). When has canon Star Trek ever had two different classes of the same name in service at the same time (also seems like both were in production at the same time)? Why is it not named after some other ship? Like, it could be Eureka-class. But then we also have Sovereign/post-Sovereign nacelles, Sovereign-esque saucer, Sovereign era phaser array layouts... and a pre/early-Galaxy design style registry.
The design looks nice -- don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the design -- but I just feel like the class name and registry should be different. I mean, maybe the Starfleet design team called the project "Excelsior II" until an official name was designated, but it feels, I dunno, lazy? to have another Excelsior _and_ have it be the lead ship of its class again, while the original class is still in service and being built. I mean, if the class name was different, we could go "Oh, the Excelsior (II) and Eureka were Excelsiors rebuilt into the new class. That's why they have older registries."
thats is an awesome new ship
The Registry Number 42023 is WAY off. This places the class in the THIRD Block of Excelsior, (First Block in -2000s, Second Block in -14000s an the Third Block 42000s) Even the names are from ships of this block implying these are some sort of refits. But these oval primary hulls didn't arrive until Intrepid and Sovereign NCC's 74600 to 75000.
I love the top isometric view at 5:00. That's just gorgeous. I'm not a fan of the extreme taper on the nacelles. It stretches the functional.
It's really nice.