BC 304 Size Breakdown Stargate
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Whats up fellow Nerds and Welcome back to my channel I'm your host DR MCK4Y and todays video is a size breakdown of the BC-304 Daedalus class ship from stargate. this breakdown is in response to a debate in a previous video about the actual size of the ship so i wanted to figure it out and this video shows my workings i hope you all enjoy the video and if you did please like comment and subscribe for more cheers.
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So the ship should be able to hold THOUSANDS of personnel but can be piloted by 1-3. That's crazy impressive.
I also like the thought that they could make some Avengers style flying carriers as a pseudo planetside Battleship.
I recently found your channel with your video on the Destiny. This has been a really great video too. I said something similar before, I love injecting some thought and reality into things without becoming bogged down by geekish details that in the end mean almost nothing. Viewing them from a very grounded and practical perspective make them feel more real.
I agree a lot of people say it can't be that big due to crew size or the fact it only carrys 16 F.302 but if you do the comparison and then do the math it has to be big to fit the 302 theirs no way around it unless the 302 is smaller than stated. this video, I try and convey a logical approach to the size, and I think it makes sense thank you for the comment
yes i have seen 700 meter to 900 meter long bc 304 i agree this is the right scale to use
@@michaelescamilla5385 it makes sense with the F-302
So how big was the Prometheus (X/BC-303)? It was definitely smaller than the BC-304, but it was also designed to carry and launch a complement of up to 8 F-302s, which means that its given length of 195m makes no sense. Just taking the 195m length, then multiplying it to match your scale for the BC-304 gives a length of about 630m for the Prometheus, but I'm unsure if this actually makes sense given what we were shown on-screen.
Also, how big must a Ha'tak be, then? Because they were always portrayed as significantly larger than a 304, but the official figure is 700, long, which would make them smaller in at least one key dimension than a 304, which doesn't make visual sense when we look at what the show gave us.
Wow, your explanation and proof of finding the real dimensions of the BC-304 is spot on.
Hope helps when you start on the Wraith and Ori warships in the future.
thanks it took a bit to figure out how I was going to measure it and with what device I looked at many scenes and the only one that made sense was to use the F-302 as the measuring device as we know the width of the 302 and it size on screen leaving the hanger doors so I decided to use it and it makes sense even if the crew size and other things about the ships doesn't work with this size the video is mearly to determine the size and I think I conveyed it quiet well thanks for your comment
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y You're so welcome.
Very well explained
thanks buddy
It seems strange to me that for all its size, the 304 could only hold 16 F-302s. I would think that they could hold more
The 304s had elevators/lifts, but do you think they had some kind of subway like train system to shuttle to carry crew along the length of the ship? I've seen some sci-fi series ships with them, notably, the Excaliber from the Babylon 5 series
at this point I don't know it possible the elevators move up down and side ways to allow for that but without a deck crossection of the ship it's hard to speculat also don't for get the forward section of the ship houses the missile bays I imagine they are large silo/bays that hold a few missiles and possibly extra renforced to protect against secondary explosions when damaged also let's no forget the ship had ring transporters witch could be used to move about the ship. the size I have determined is big but not implausible
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y rings can't be used like Star Trek's transporters can, they're for transport between ships or planets
But they do have Asgard beaming tech that is even better than rings
But I think that they don't use those either for intraship transport, at least, as far as we've seen
I think that is the ship really is over 700 meters long, that it must have a rail system of some kind
Babylon 5's Excaliber was around 1000 meters long and it had one
@dragonweyr44 yes its does probably need a rail system to get around but going back to the rings the rings I'm sure can be used on a ship to go from diffrent decks because when the goa'uld mother ship crashed in the Pacific ocean Jonas used the rings to transport himself from one deck to another so the same can be for the 304 rings
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y To go straight up and down, probably
To go lengthwise, I would seriously doubt it
I don't think the rings can do that
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y To do straight up and down? Probably. This may explain why we've never seen elevators on Guo'ald ships
But to go lengthwise, I seriously doubt that. I don't think the rings can work that way
I think it’s just 10 meters long and all people and gear (including the 302s) automatically shrinks down to fit. That way enemies have a harder time hitting it in space. Sound good? 😁
The Stargate Magazine had it as 225 metres, the Stargate Wikipedia also had 225 metres , ( almost all sources had it at this size)
Trekyards got the original CGI model it was almost the same size as a sovereign class starship at 685 meter (700 ish with the from antenna) it was also stated somewhere I forgot where, that the size change in certain episodes , (also sometimes perspective gave a false size on screen)
225 meters is wrong. The fighter clearly can't make it through the doors at that size. He proved that point effectively
@@saquist which is why I go with the Trekyards size .
@@lasarith2 Yes they say it's 600 meters and it's the original model from the show. But despite that the evidence shows that's just too big for the details.
@@saquist 🤷🏼♂️
Excellent. I still want to see 1701 in comparison.
I will be planning a multi sci fi ship comparison video at some point, but if the 304 is round 700m long, it's bigger than the sovereign class trek ship
Like McCoy said, 'That's a big ship."
BTW, with the exception of TOS, I like Statgate better tank Trek.
It’s a problem with the whole show the ship sizes being wrong
Correct. They weren't scaling the craft consistently
Thank you for this video, it's very helpfull and now i can be sure that 720+ meters is good size.
it's still a rough approximation of the size. but we can be sure that due to the F-302s, the ship has to be around this size. otherwise, it doesn't work.
This is off by alot.
I put the images in AutoCAD.
@1:43 the Screen shot is from Stargate Atlantis Season 2 Episode: Intruder.
In the shot the wings are just as wide as the runway lights while @1:46 you scaled them smaller.
precision matters at this size
The appropriate scale between the two images you present is 465 meters. (No more)
I believe I have positioned the f-302 in the correct position in relation to the hanger doors has the hanger doors are smaller than the actulal size of the hanger itself. Look at the image with the front view. I looked at the image from the episode the f 302 is flying out the hanger with atleast half the size of the 302 remaining each side of the door with the 302 in the middle so going of that I placed the 302 in the hanger door in the same place with the rough space remaining each side of the 302 then I kept that scale and did the working out now I'm not saying I'm correct I'm just saying that the shows scene determined the location and intern my calculation of the size of the 304 but again this is a rough estimate I could do it again and place 302 to fit the entire width on the hanger door the ship would still be big but as there'd space each side of the 302 in the doors I've opted for this scale
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y We don't have an image of the doors closed with a 302 in front of it so that method could lead to extreme variation due to perspective
@saquist The hanger door frame is the same size regardless if it is closed or open .the image from the show shows the frame with the 302 in it, so the scale I used positions the 302 in the rough place in relation to the frame of the hanger it maybe a bit smaller but not by much again this is a rough scale. the daedalus is definitely not under 300m long it rought between 500m to 700m long thats the sweet spot imo
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y The Door frame location doesn't change but there is no shadow on the deck to show when the fighter cross that boundary.
The only problem i have with it being scaled properly to the F-302 is the crew size. Dont the BC-304's have a crew in the low hundreds?
yes, a couple hundred crew, but I think does it matters about crew size. The ship can be controlled by as little as 4. Maybe 200 hundred crew is enough for the operation of the ship. why does crew matter really just because other sci-fi ships this size have close to a 1000 crew or RL navey vessels having more crew doesn't mean the 304 should. maybe the 304 is designed for low crew numbers as it's a spaceship, and having say 800 to 1000 crew, maybe redundant for the 304, but hey, this is my thoughts and opinion
Factors in that might be the Stargate program only has a certain amount of qualified people it can draw upon until it's noticed, The Asgard technology has automated systems normally needing crew control and lastly the ship still uses 20th century Earth based tech to generate life support so there's a limited capacity for long range deployment and unlike the Galaxy class who do multi mission crews, the 304 tends to take specialists on a mission by mission basis.
@thanqualthehighseer great comment. I agree there's a lot of automated systems that don't need crew, and the crew is specific for the ship mission, and your right to the secrecy of the stargate program probably reducing crew availability
@@thanqualthehighseer i was thinking the same sort of thing. Lots of automation. Maybe a lot of large components and unpressurized areas as well.
The ship wasn't designed by the Illustrative artist to be accurate. They didn't account for the size compared to it's function. We're doing that after merely made it to look cool for the universe. My scaling even disagrees with DRMCK4Y's. (465 meters in stead of 728)
Voyager is 363 meters but has a small crew of 150. While a Nimitz class Carrier is running 5000 people. At my 465 meters 200 people seems reasonable from a SciFI perspective.
How many decks?
again not sure as its not specified anywhere and unless there's a ship deck crossection out there I don't know but given I worked it out to be 130m high and let's say each deck is 3m high 130m ÷ 3m =43 so I would say at this scale around 40 decks in total but don't forget the ship is diffrent size so the decks would vary across the length of the ship
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y
Deck layout is one of the ways to cross check your scallings.
At my scaling of 465 there are 26 decks at 3 meters tall (9 feet) like a house.
But at 728 meters the 26 decks are each a crazy 15 feet tall. This would confirm to me that 728 meters is more than likely wrong.
I hate videos that argue the BC-304 is so massive, because they all (yours included) use the F-302 as their yardstick. But your figures for the fighter are verifiably wrong. Because unlike with the 304, the 302 has been shown carrying not one, but two real-world objects that have known sizes. The first is their missiles, the AIM-120, which are 12 feet (3.65 meters) long. The second is the Stargate itself, which did have a full-sized physical prop that was 6.7 meters in diameter (outer edge to outer edge). And when you use those objects OF KNOWN LENGTH as your yardsticks, then the 'official' figures for the size of the 302 having a 26-meter wingspan is too big. By my reckoning, those figures need to be reduced by about 1/3.
Now I'm not arguing that the 225-meter length for the 304 is correct when you revise things, just that your calculations are based on a clearly flawed starting point. But there's another underlying issue with the whole 302/304 scaling issue that videos like yours completely ignore. And that is, to my understanding, the 'official' size figures for both ships came from the same source. They clearly don't mesh with each other, but videos like this automatically assume that the figures for the 304 are wrong, yet those for the 302 are somehow right. If they have the same source, and that source is clearly incorrect, then why do you use them at all, instead of making an honest effort to come up with an accurate yardstick? SG1 provides sufficient visual evidence to determine the size of the 302 without having to rely on the suspect 'official' figures, so why doesn't anyone do that?
@AC4ace I understand your point, and I agree and disagree with it. The sizes for the 304 online are conflicting sizes yes so I tend not to believe ither one on face value but i lean to the larger size now for the 302 it is stated to be 26m wide from wing tip to wing tip and we see a few shots in the show with people next to it showing it to be definitely wider than say an FA 18 so using that size of 26m W which yes can be wrong I then use a shot from the show to estimate the position relative to the hanger doors the 302 would be and scale from there as there is nothing eles to use as a measuring device this method is the only method I can come up with that can figure out the size of the 304. now if you wanted to change the size of the 302 to say 20m W it would still be the same number across so we can do the math 20mx28=560m L now that's more reasonable in length than 728m and this can work on any size you scale the 302 to let's say 15m wide 302 so 15m×28=420m now we are getting small about half the size of the 728m and 100m larger than the nimitz so as long as my estimate of the 302 position in the hanger door is correct we need to find the correct size of the 302 find that and do w×28= and boom size of the 304. I found and used the 302 size of 26m wide, which looks right to me, so that's what I used it probably too big, but again, it might not be the only way to definitely find out the size of the 304 and 302 is to ask the creator for it and unfortunately I don't have that information so I'm using what I can find I appreciate your comment and accept your premises
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y There IS a definitive way to estimate the size of the 302. Look up "X-302 Testflight" here on RUclips and you'll find a video of the 302, from its very first onscreen appearance, carrying the Stargate. The Stargate has a known, well-established size of 6.7 meters. We know this because there was an actual physical, real-world prop, and it's a matter of record how big it was. Checking that clip, it's clear that the 302 does NOT have a 26-meter wingspan, because if it did then you could fit nearly 4 Stargates side by side, when it's clear in that clip you could barely get 2.
All that aside, your use of the 302 exiting the hangar of the 304 is a flawed premise to begin with, because the VFX artists for Atlantis are on record saying that they would alter the scale of the digital models all the time in order to achieve the best dramatic footage. They weren't the BSG reboot team that kept everything to scale, so using two different shots of the 302 next to the 304 could result in completely different size calculations.
Day-da-less!!! Everyone gets the name pronouciation wrong
I say dead alus it is automatic from my brain
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y I used to also but then my Greek friend spent a summer correcting me lol trying a greek word with a Welsh accent was a new one ha ha
Just btw, I'm loving the vids and really appreciate the work you're putting into these. Not enough Stargate content out especially about Destiny
@bracesbread01 yh I have uk South somerset accent, and my pronunciation and annunciation are terrible like if I say construction quick, it sounds like destruction as the auto subs say I say destruction when in fact I'm saying construction but I'm trying to be more clearer when recording to help with that issue and thanks for the feedback I love stargate as its my favourite sci fi and I wanted to make content to share my love of the show and sgu is so good had so much potential and destiny is such a unique concept it deserves recognition 😀
@@SCI-FI-NERD-DRMCK4Y yeah I could tell. My half sister grew up in Yeovil so heard the accent straight off the bat ha ha
Doing a great job mate and look forward to more content. Especially if you get to Anubis's mothership
@bracesbread01 I plan on covering everything I can. Even the most random one-off things and let's not forget I want to do Star Trek and starwars too, so I have a lot of content for the future ☺️