Real Hip Hop Vs. Fake Hip Hop
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One of the most common debates in the Hip Hop community is what is and what isn’t considered “real” Hip Hop. The majority of purists will be quick to tell you that MC’s like KRS One and Joey Bada$$ make “real” Hip Hop while rappers like Migos and Future do not. Does that make them “fake” Hip Hop artists? However you frame it, we aren’t the first generation to have this debate, but this week, we will attempt to settle it once and for all. Real Hip Hop vs. Fake Hip Hop: is there really a difference? Let’s break it down…
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Hip Hop = Graffiti, DJing, Breakdancing, Rap
Rap is one element of Hip Hop
and NOT the entire culture.
The Hip Hop culture existed years before rappers came out. It was actually the last element.
@Rivera Leonel Exactly. Never limit what is possible in Culture & Art unless it's not truthful & insincere.
it's MC not rap
I love graff and hip hop but graff is not hip hop, only people who don't paint say it is. The first ever Graff King in NYC was a punk and hated hip hop. He hated everyone, not just hip hop, but he was not hip hop.
Finally someone who knows the truth 🙏
if ya'll wanna know the truth? try to search DJ cool herc tha godfather oh hip hop!
gangster rap like 2 pac, biggie, snoop and mummble rap like migos is not hip hop
4 elements of hip hop DJ,Breaking,MC and Graffiti
Well stated, and completely wrong. Hip-Hop WAS a movement started by people who wanted to take the gang mentality and turn it into something positive. I am talking about Afrikka Bambaata and the Zulu Nation, who were indeed gang members who would settle their differences with shows and breakdancing and "who rocked the house" instead of knives and guns. Yes, there were still knives and guns, but a lot less than there were when street kids had no outlet for their rage. Your mistake is that you're confusing RAP with HIP-HOP. Rap is one part of Hip-Hip, but it's a culture, a mentality, and as KRS one put it, a movement. Rap is an expression of this mentality. That's why folks say today's RAP isn't Hip Hop, because the mentality of the youth today is different than it was in the 80s and 90s.
Then NWA, Dj Quik, Snoop Doog, and other gangsta rappers aren't hip hop dumb
Ninja Channel well said
the 80's it's shame, people were scared of the movement the violence clouded everything. The real shame, intelectuals fail to notice a culture born out social... but only want to focus raw gangsta lyrics forgetting it's only a plateform of expression no 1 is forcing no 1 to listen. HIP HOP STARTED WITH NO RADIO TIME, NOW :) AMAZING
Wasn't Bambata taking kids off the streets and into his bedroom? I would tread carefully when referencing that man.
Well stated
I respect your opinion but I prefer rapping over mumbling
@BOGDAN
who said that theres nothing but mumble rap?
oh thats right, no one.
no go back into your cave of hate and stop bothering people
Shaz Demon Did you even watch the video (13:32)? He never said that *you had to like it* and that you can actually dislike it, he's saying that it's still hip-hop you like it or not, fucking pay attention, mute your opinions to listen to the facts.
Migos raps tho. Offset and Takeoff kill almost every verse they are on
Shaz Demon I better be a lil rapper than mumble rap
All these new rappers trash.. idgaf what you say.. hip hop quality has gone down.
"Still rocks stages like no other" *shows a clip where the crowd is stood completely still*
I thought that too,the clip in no way backed up the language.
nice pfp
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Get the message.. 🤣🤣🤣
@@AngloSupreme lol which is why they were recording him and shit huh xD
im a spiritual lyrical miracle individual
daaaamn bro
In your swimming pool
😔🔥
every beginner rapper says that lmao
"Alright, representing the backpackers is Lyrical Scientific Superior"
- "My Lyrical Miracle will leave you spritiual residuals."
"Alright, representing for the street cats is G and Eric."
- "Nah Fam, it's Eric and G, yo."
"Yeah, generic...whatever"
‘Fake’ or ‘real’ I don’t know. But for me? A rapper that can pronounce every words clearly, great flows impressed me greatly. But if I have to click on ‘caption’ button just to understand the lyrics? I’ll pass
Too much codeine in those kids additionally makes it hard to understand anything they say. Cannot take them serious with that in mind. Those empty, stoned eyes make me angry.
It's not the dumb stuff that got dumber, it's the conscious stuff that stopped battling and counteracting the dumb stuff that went underground because everybody just wanted to peep the dumb stuff. Now there's no message to counteract it and why would there be when you can make more money rapping about yourself and what you have? That is exactly why we cherish the counscious rap of old and the underground shit today and dismiss anything mainstream even if it's good.
Yeah, some of them deserve the recognition but the underground artists I know, deserve it even more so fuck your shit. If they cared about hip hop and it's message or it's capable talent, they would have helped bring up the real writers who can run circles around the game. They don't care about hip hop, they care about money and I refuse to listen to any materialistic selfish asshole.
It's never been about old vs new, it's always been about recognition vs where it's deserved. If I was a rapper, I would never let myself get that big without mentioning the underground cats who deserve the same at least in a song first. Murs knows, Eyedea deserved that, Kristoff Krane deserves that, Sadistik Deserves that, Brother Ali, Carnage The Executioner, Qwel, Busdriver etc... These new niggas don't give a fuck about the responsibility so I don't give a fuck about them.
> if I have to click on 'caption' button just to understand the lyrics
What if you find some amazing content in those captions? I think that just because you can't totally understand someone at face value doesn't mean they aren't saying something valuable. Some of my favorite visual art, music, TV, movies are things that I needed captions for. Don't be afraid of reading, it can make the art better
@@nolanoster3660 There ya go, Qwel has a song called Face Value. Check it out.
Well I am a german native speaker. And i can barely make out any lyrics. Well except Q-tip and Queen Latifah, maybe. So I concentrate on the beats/flow.
Nowadays mumble rappers all sound the same. Like literally. I asked for recommendations of good new rap and then I listened to it. I can see no difference. Same beat, same tone of voice. Boring af.
But maybe I am too old for this shit.
Hip is the knowledge hop is the movement!
Hip=HIPPIE =hipsters, Hop=HOPPING ie let's go do the Hop both expressions been around forever, let's not make it out to be more than what the words say. tk you
Alexander Edinger shut your crooked teeth ass up
Hip Hop is intelligent movement
@@neilgibbons2532 hip is not hipster dumbass
@@neilgibbons2532 you’re lame
I like “fake” hip hop but “real” hip hop is a million times better
Music is music bro, don’t matter if it’s hip hop, techno or soundscore its all basically the same thing with different instruments, not better or worse just preference.
Of course bro
@@samas9008 I’m joking bro
@@speedmaztersps2577 lol
I don't like fake hip hop. 😬
How is Migos original when all they did was bite Bone Thugs flow over pop trap beats with less than pedestrian lyricism.
They added a modern spin on the flow in my opinion. They also largely popularized adlibs in the current mainstream
Preach
Logos and thug and future is weak wack trash slash bag dead rap all bout drugs 💉) stupid... Shit
Yeah and it's sad how if you mention btnh to most people know days they got no clue who one of the greatest rap groups of all time is
And all PE did was that Funky drummer and put other people’s music over it
Idk about u but
I find cardi b & migos unbearable
Just trash
I got one better for you.. alot of Hip Hoppers feel if you cant BreakDance do the Song or the Instrumental of the Artist Record its not considered real Hip Hop. unless its a conscience song. If The Migos or Future have Records that the B-Boys can Break Dance to, then they will say they made a Hip Hop Record.. If they have more than 2 Records the B-Boys can Break to, then they probably would be accepted as Hip Hop Artist but they will have to have more than 2 B-Boy Capable jams.
For Hammer. it was because the Cross Over Exposure. Shit they Blasted Sugar Hill Gang for the Cross Over Exposure back then. Back then the the Lighter Hue non Hip Hop heads wasnt messing with the Bambatta, Zulu Nation and other Original Hip Hop heads.. But when they got a hold of Sugar Hill Gang and crossed them Over and made millions off them while Suga Hill Gang really made nothing. The Lighter Hues focus on making Sugar Hill Gang the Face of Hip Hop Music to others..and we all know the Hip Hop Community was on fire about that.
Its the Same thing they did with MC Hammer.. Remember in the 80s alot of Rappers was doing it for the Culture and Love thats why alot of these Record Labels got over on them. With Hammer he was in it for the Love and Fun but also for the Money. So he didnt care what was offered. Long as he got the Money.. They was like Hammer we need you to where the Baggy Pants with suspenders no shirt, hold a Bucket of KFC Chicken and take a bite, then we drop the music and you give us a Big Happy Smile and do your Dance with a piece of chicken in your hand.. We gone pay you good for that.. (Hammer) PAY GOOD? SHIIIIIT where is the Camera lets go.. KFC & Hammer Action.. Thats why people was trippin on Hammer.
and the other thing is.. Any rapper who made Fun Happy Dance Records ALL was clowned.. MC Hammer, Kid & Play, people even was hating on Uncle Luke and 2 Live Crew. When Uncle Luke is the 1/2 the reason all this Cussing and Explicit Lyrics is allowed in Rap Today. Uncle Luke & NWA is like the 2 Groups who actually went to Jail and got Banned for multi cities to perform at concerts ONLY because of their Lyrics.. Uncle Luke had to go all the way to the Supreme Court ovee it and WON.. Thats why Rappers today can say anything they want on a record, why rappers can have half naked asses all on stage performing. etc etc. But people never called Uncle Luke and 2 Live Crew Hip Hop.
@@BigMucci It's funny that all these years people think Hammer was a clown (myself included), but you hear people in the industry talk about him, and they're like he was no joke. 3rd Bass and Redman have gone on record talking about how you did NOT want to cross Hammer. And no matter what people say about Hammer, he was a huge part in bringing hip hop further into the mainstream, and also, from what I've heard he took care of his people. Provided them jobs and money, tried to raise up the community (one of the reasons he went broke).
@@SuperDaveSo Facts. But thats how these Darker Hue people act out here. If you dont share the same opinion as theirs they have a problem. See you had all these Hip Hop Cats when the music starting crossing over..Wanted to be that mega star and stars in New York. Rappers in L.A didnt care they was already getting money. And you had the Bay Area Rappers who was doing their thing gwtting money also.. Hammer being from the Bay brought that Fun Energetic Dance Music and the Lighter Hue people didnt feel threatened by Hammer as they did NWA and Ice T.
So when anyone get that shine over others and them others dont even know them, for some reason they get pissed. Shit alot of Hip Hop Rappers on the East Coast laughed and didnt like Mac Dre neither. They didnt understand the Bay Area Culture. even to this day they dont understand how Bay Area Rappers are selling RCAA Gold and Platinum and Street Platinum just alone within Northern Cal and Vegas. Like E40, Too Short, Luniz, The Click, Rappin 4 Tay, Dru Down, Keak Da Sneak, Sann Quinn, The Jacka, Lil B, Messy Marv etc etc.. Its so many. But you ask these Hip Hop heads they dont know 90% of the rappers from the Bay.
Shit when i first dropped my Line Dance Record in 1997 Boodie Bounce and Cleveland Shuffle Hip Hop Heads like N*ggaz dont Line Dance you need to quit that Sh*t. I been going for 21 years and look at it now. Line Dancing is world wide. If you type in youtube your Favorite R&B singer and put Line Dance behind it. i guarantee tou its a few Line Dances to their music. Thats why i dont listen to them. I just do me, have fun doing it and get my bags..
Trash
FACTS
man, i get what you're saying
my issue with it isn't if it's real or fake hiphop
my issue is that it's just not good music, everyone in mainstream hiphop nowadays seems to have the same stupid ass triplet flow over a shitty ass trap beat
I hate it lmao all of these artists are doing it and they're lyrics are so bad too
V ! C T O R ! A it must be if it’s so popular
No that isn't true bcoz it is still better than ppl not saying words I'm not saying they classics but you can't say they bad
yo did you watch the whole video and hear everything that he said?
So true
It’s not good music to you.
You don’t have to listen. Just don’t disrespect it.
I'd take Lord Jamar's definition: real HipHop is what you listen to with a mean face.
I don't see Migos on the wall behind you brother!
KRS KA Migos ain’t real Rappers😂
They them Mumble Rappers, get yo shit straight
whats your point?
They don’t belong there
Is anyone on the wall from the 2010's? I don't see anyone. The people on the wall have proven themselves for 15-40 years. Migos were around in 2008, but nobody really knew about them until 2015-2017. Four years of work doesn't compare to the 16-20 years of work from the most recent people on the wall.
Plus, his argument is that Migos shouldn't be called "fake hip-hop" as if they don't have a place in the culture. He never said Migos were the next Pac or Cube. Kendrick, Joey and Cole ain't on the wall either, so I don't really think you have a point
I think he was being sarcastic ppl
Personally, I fell in love with hip hop for the way the lyrics could affect my mood and stick with me, to use as a tool for growth. I love where we’re at with production, It just seems like that’s all there is to rap anymore. I just wish more artists gave me a reason to respect and like their music
Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, JID, Denzel Curry, Flatbush Zombies, Vince Staples, Benny the Butcher, Killer Mike (or Run the Jewels in general), Mac Miller (not the best lyricist but his last albums before he passed about his issues and mental health helped me a lot), Jay Rock, Earthgang, Underachievers slam hard bar after bar so if you like that kind of rap check them out but not really deep lyrics or message, Chris Rivers, Woodie Smalls, and Slaugtherhouse.
Maybe not entirely your style but I can't type this list without mentioning Freddie Gibbs (especially Pinata with Madlib's beats is dope), Big Sean, Hopsin, Pusha T, Asap Rocky, AFRO, and Schoolboy Q.
Add billy woods, Earl Sweatshirt and Boldy James, some older rappers still going strong as well, Black Thought dropped one of the best albums i've ever heard last year with Danger Mouse, Nas with his King's Disease run, Inspectah Deck with Czarface, there's probably more rappers from back then still going hard and i'm sure there's a lot more newer rappers that i don't know about or @ButcherOfBeek didn't mention
Beats whack too
ppl are really upset that mainstream hip hop sound has become repetitive and manufactured. Not to mention that rap ability, entertaining flows and witty lyrics have become non-existent. I personally just hate that mainstream Hip Hop feels so soul-less nowadays.
They all sound so monotone now. No change in flow, no increase/decrease in voice volume. They all sound half asleep and like they don't even want to be there.
I feel you on this. in my opinion , that's the whole focal argument point of it not being 'real' hiphop. personally I don't even consider it 'fake' hiphop, if it is starting to be more and more far removed from the origin points. trap should be a whole new genre unto itself, not even be a sub genre of hiphop.
ThinkRunLive you know, many say that the creation of sub-genres and the sudden increase of whiny emo punk bands began the degradation and the popularity decline of Rock music. The reason I bring this up is because Im beginning to see some minor similarities between Hip Hop's current setting and that of the once prominent Punk era of rock and roll. I wonder how this new setting will affect Hip Hop in the future.
Suit Up I think most music sees resurgency of certain styles as the time periods come and go. daft punk with RAM was slightly disco. To Pimp A Butterfly was very funk and jazzy, Childish Gambino Awaken my Love sound like he was trying to compete against Al Green instead of his contemporaries (I don't mean literally compete haha ) but yea, music because it come from people, people always changing, it's gonna be alive and changing too . and sometimes it's gonna sound like something we heard before because we comfortable with the familiar . it's human nature.
Don't forget the fact that country, rock, and disco in the past started off unique and became popular really quick only to have the record labels come in with their "artists" which was the start of the descent of that genre
Real hip hop is like a good meal.
Mumble rap is like junk food.
Facts
bro what
junk food taste good though.
mumble rap is like chewing on dog shit and trying to explain how nasty it is while your face is stuffed with it then washing it down with dumpster juice
Mumble rap is spoiled junk food from a badly run snackbar.
And they still listen to trash-ass mumble rap. I can't stand this generation
Did you even listen to that new Wu Tang Clan ft Redman - People Say joint it's 2017 but they still create that 90s Hip-Hop sound.
Rocking it
Supreme One So, how many different comments do you need on the one video?
Ripynt enough to make it clear that he's not completely speaking the truth about this subject
Tommy comment only if you know what you are talking about
Tommy you comment like a teenager
Think about songs like Gucci Gang by Lil Pump which was one of the shortest songs in history to reach the Hot 100. He says the same phrase 50+ times in a two minute song which means like half of the song he's saying the same exact thing. How is this comparable to the early hip hop era? It is not the same. This song has no substance. I think one of the differences between old and new era hip hop was that it was much easier to identify an artist from their originality. Like if BIg L came out with a new song that you never heard you would still know it was him. These days a new mumble rap song could be 1 of any 60,000 "rappers" that have similar beats, cadences, and auto tune.
I can agree with that.
When you say every mumble rapper sounds the same, your right.
Every 90’s rapper sounds the same. People like Wu Tang, Biggie, and Nas have the same shit going. So, is it really that important to call all of these people the same, when it’s just the same style that they were doing at the time
If you haven't yet already, check out the Gucci Gang remix by Joyner Lucas. He took that bullshit song, added way more lyrics and made it so much better. Completely dissed Lil Pump by making his own song way better. It's pretty dope.
you labeled hip hop to 1 song which is peak of the iceberg from all hip hop that there is. if there werent yt or social media. it wouldnt have become a meme in the first place. it would have been just 1 track with all other. its a meme song. influence of internet is questionable matter if the song deserves to be on billboard. lil pump wasnt different from others? he was like everyother dude in the market? if you watch 80s hip hop 90s hip hop their beats sound pretty much same style because it was trending.
Wulfington Cumbersnatch im tired of people talking about rap and then using 69 and Pump as reference points. If those are ur reference points then u arent discussing “rap” as a whole, or even “new rap” ur discussing 2 idiots. You bring up the “old vs new” argument, but that’s ur example of “new?” Your points are wack. You use Big L and recognizing his sound as a point. Theres a hundred artists that could release a song tomorrow and I’ll know it by style or voice. I’d recognize a Takashi 69 song immediately, because of his style, but it doesnt mean its good. You are comparing “old” good music with “new” shit music. How is that a fair comparison? Or accurate comparison?
This new vs old needs to be put to bed because so much fucking good, original alt hip hop and boom bap came out this year, but it’s like all that music doesnt exist to “hip hop purists” or “old heads.”
Buncha fukn goofs.
You're only talking about lyrics but completely ignoring that there has to be a constant flow in the rapping to take you from beginning to end. Everybody these days is so stagnant and sound like a car constantly breaking down as it's driving. Snoop Dogg explained this.
Deka Red did you really not watch the video at all? He literally touched on that subject, how many rappers stole the das efx flow in the same way the migos triplet flow influenced tons of copy cats, not to mention that’s not even a predominant sound anymore and hasn’t been for 2 years, the last migos album culture used different cadences, vibrant Adlibs, and sing song melodies to great effect. I really hope I don’t get this stuck up my own ass when I get old.
+King Hippo You can't honestly believe that. "All that matters is moving the crowd, even if it's complete jiberesh"??? Now you're just saying you don't need any effort or skill. If that's true then RiceGgum, Jake Paul and all the idiots on youtube are actual "rappers". And mumble rap is even worse.
Yeah nowadays it’s 90% producers, I hope we can have a balance of new classic hip hop artists and new modern hip hop artists all releasing new stuff so everyone can get what they want. Because at the end of the day we love everything from the 80’s till 2017 its all hip hop that’s just been evolved, it’s ALL good but Id like a balance.
I agree with u deka rappers today don't rap or have any flows & if it was 20 yrs ago none of the rappers today wouldn't have been signed
Even though I could not agree with you more, that's more opinionated than right/wrong. Read my comment:
First, you compared Das EFX to Migos and Future. Fair enough. But what isn't, is that 90% of modern day "rap" is repetitive, unoriginal when compared to other artists, and goes out of the so called "guidelines" of real Hip-Hop (stay original) whereas take a song by someone like Tupac, and compare it to modern day rap. Most of 2Pac's songs were about his life, black rights, racial equality, and more society issues, and yet the crowd was "moving". Now try compare.
I'm 16 so I don't have the nostalgia effect. I still think DAS EFX is real HipHop and Migos isn't!
dvpe bro if you’re 16 and you know who Das EFX is..... your good my dude
In 91 Bas Blasta killed the mic on a Nice N Smooth track entitled " Down the Line " . In 92 Das Effects dropped "Live Effects" where it's blatantly obvious to me that they bit off Bas Blasta style ! I still was feelin Das Effects when they came out though ..
@@mikerose51 Many people do, but I fell we mostly do outside the US
You can't compare das efx, come on really , you better stay off that weed.
dvpe do you want a cookie?
Hip Hop started as an easy party thing and evolved, lyrics evolved, topics evolved and it became this phenomenon because of that because of innovation!
The problem with this mumbling stuff is its a step backwards and that is not a good thing!
People think that innovation is a natural process but its not, if we don't step up and improve all the time we devolve.
I give you an example: "The Egyptians knew how to build pyramids and they did so 2500 years ago but today we do not know how they did it, because we forgot!"
There are many more examples like this and there is a reason the term "The forgotten art" exists.
I know I'm just a white boy but this music literally saved my life and means a lot to me.
There are still a lot of good rappers out there making awesome music but this mumble stuff is taking a lot of spotlight away from them and that's kinda sad to me!
you are not just a white boy.you may be just a boy.
but you're a hiphopper my brother!what better thing than that!?!
You have my respect
Am still surprised this guy mentioned KRS-one and Migos in one sentence
Snoop said it best, most rappers today use the same "huh nuh nuh, huh nuh nuh, huh nuh nuh" cadence which is seen throughout most songs nowadays, and if you bit off another mc's style back in the day it was bad news for you because that's something you just didn't do and you were ORIGINAL
Justin Garrett classic snoop that was a great interview with g unit
Justin Garrett AAH GGGGGGGGGGGGGG YOU KNITTT
Yeah man, biting flows lead to a lot of beefs, just look at the back and forth between Bone thugs n harmony and early 36 mafia because they were even slightly similar( demonic imagery, fast flows) The internet helped desegregate sounds according to region, but made people hella lazy and unoriginal. It's like everyone's waiting for the next migos,future or drake record to get "inspired by," which translates to, "I'm waiting for someone to tell me what style to bite for the next calendar year. "
Justin Garrett
I’m sorry but with the internet and social media it’s too easy to hear many other rappers and adopt that style.
Are you talking about the triplet flow? I can't tell at all what you meant
The breakdown is good but how about it's the fact that you hear this shit everyday. You're not saying that in the 90's to early 2000's that all types of Hip Hop got radio play and yet in still everybody sounded different. Now you want to compare Future and the Migo's to Das Efx at least Das Efx had more content than both Future and Migo's. The worst thing about this is that you don't even talk about lyricism ain't that Hip Hop? I rather find underground artist that don't get any shine but still put out quality music. Get it UNDERGROUND where real music lives not this bullshit you say compares to old school Das Efx and not somebody like Rakim and other MC's that empowered the Hip Hop culture with Knowledge. What about the LYRICS Murs?
How in the hell is " bum skiggedy bum". More substance? Come on bruh be real
demoCRIPS & reBLOODlicans 1 Bro I'm talking about total albums not just one song.
Das EFX never had any content. I hate to break it to you, but them and many early 1990's East Coast rappers didn't rap about a thing at all.
@@shauncameron8390 Wrong they did cause In the 90s they still talk about something that’s actually matter now days rappers talk about nothing is what you consider
I think you hit it on the head when you said, old-heads of which i’m one, born in (73’). We feel the nostalgia for 80’s and 90’s Hip-Hop no doubt. Also Das EFX style and lyrical cadence was fresh and influential. And Having the backing of EPMD gave them Instant respect for their 92’ debut release. I was 19 at the time and loving it.
Still don't know wtf Future is saying
youre not supposed too I guess. Its part of the "culture" or whatever....
Thierry-Ali Philogene platinum from dumb 13 yo kids like you who like that dumb shit
Most of the time he records his music either drunk or high....even he doesn't understand his lyrics
Lil pump is worse than any of you put out
Lil Ramen Lol I know right? Some people don't understand how music industry works XD
Even tho I love old school hip hop and dislike the new school, I still gotta admit that the mumble trap music is still hip hop. Hip hop just evolved really fast. Murs be speaking the truth
The Notorious Makaveli my fav comment
Preaaach
The Notorious Makaveli it ain't hip hop, it is rap
And the old school style still exists, it just more so at the underground scene. I mean theres a lot of different style of hip hop and frankly it's beautiful.
Real talk
Ali Chaudry Exactly While theirs stuff that I'm not really into. But it ain't my place to tell a person who probably put in a good amount of work into their craft and tell them that it's not real hip hop because they don't drop knowledge like Common or KRS-One
I AM 54 years old I can say they was good hip hop back in the day and there was bad hip hop back in the DAY and and there is good hip hop today and there is bad hip hop today nothing changes fyi I grew up with schooly d. in philly he is the god father of gangster rap...
54 years old virgin
Precisely!
Thats the nature of art clashing with industry.
To true mate
I'm a very similar age and I feel the same way word
sure you're right. the popular it's have no skill at all now. the underground exceptional artists often get pigeonholed
The problem with this argument is that he's conflating Rap and Hip Hop. Rapping is one facet of Hip Hop music and culture. KRS is a rapper, he speaks complex, intelligent, and socially conscious rhymes over a Hip Hop beat, so he makes Hip Hop music. Schoolly D and other crowd-moving MC's and Future and Migos (as he's comparing them) are also making Hip Hop music, but they're not making dense Rap music per se. Both sides of the spectrum are Hip Hop, and the great thing about music and culture is its meaning and impact are subjective. So some may prefer lyrical, social activism based rapping in their Hip Hop, others may just want party tracks and seek to be mindlessly entertained. KRS' definition of Hip Hop is accurate, and the way he disagrees made no sense because he literally described "hip" as "knowing what's good" ... how is that any different from being conscious or having consciousness as KRS puts it? Perhaps being conscious about different things, but being "hip" means being hip and we all know what that means at this point lol Honestly, as much as I enjoy and appreciate this channel, this argument didn't really need to be had. The real argument is good vs. bad Hip Hop, which is of course, just, like, your opinion, man.
I agree
Eminem doesnt make hip hop
Eminem makes rap
And that's what i like.
@@bigmama668 Not really what I was saying. Eminem does make hip hop, and he also raps.
So you’re saying migos and future don’t rap?
@@dudeweird2796 That is not at all what I'm saying.
Exactly 💯 well put
Hip Hop was a cultural moment that consisted or more then just the MC. It was the art, through dance, painting, instruments and lyrics.
@Frosty Exactly!
Repeating Versace and Gucci seems more like an ad than parodying an ad jingle in a song.
i agree lil pump is fucked but migos only really made one song like versace and as all we all know everybody makes mistakes
People can’t afford those clothes though
some people can
THANK YOU! At least someone gets the difference.
Word.
As a fellow hip-hop philosopher, I'm going to try and rebut your argument in a peaceful, friendly manner, because you nailed one thing: hip-hop is about community.
I agree with your point that an MC is supposed to be someone who can move the crowd. However, many of us these days are questioning modern rappers based off of their dependence on beats. Many of these rappers will not perform a Capella at all, nor will they freestyle, and so we begin to question whether or not the beat is the focal point now instead of the rhyming ability. Many legendary albums such as "Ready to Die," "It Was Written," and even "All Eyez on Me" have lower budget or just bad production. What made those albums great was not their beats, rather, it was the rapping. MCs took average beats and made them great. Did good production help on albums like "Illmatic," and "Mecca and the Soul Brother?" Absolutely. But the rhymes took it to another level.
As far as your point that skill is not a necessary feature of MCing, I would contend this as well. Your argument was that older acts such as Run-DMC, Kool Moe Dee, and Casanova Fly were simple but are legends is irrelevant. We do not look to them as the greatest, we only respect them because of their status as founders. You would not look to George Washington as the greatest President. Only as the first.
Here's where I'll make some less powerful arguments but still somewhat compelling pieces that I could not leave out.
Comparing Migos to Das seems a little far-fetched. Migos has had long-term influence. Das EFX didn't really have the same degree of influence as a group like Wu-Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, or the NWA.
Also, I believe that another factor should be considered in hip-hop: respect for the past. We have torn down a lot of early hip-hop from our influence but not our respect. We just felt hip-hop should continue to grow and older artists using older flows just no longer cut it in the 90's. But it still developed from music that previously held its own in the black culture- funk, jazz, and soul, to be exact. It should only be logical that new hip-hop should continue to build on older sounds. We would contend that artists like Lil Yachti and Kodak Black showing disrespect to hip-hop legends takes away from that.
But all-in-all, I respect your influence Murs. You're a hip-hop legend in your own right and have the right to an opinion and I appreciate your willingness to start a discussion. RIP Eyedea, God bless you Murs Carter. Props from a River City fan.
PotatOSFilmCompany Very nice comment
Supreme One Thanks pal!
Got more out of this comment than the video.
Walter Melon Haha thanks man! But Murs is a legendary dude and I think he's right that the Underground will have to work with the mainstream if it wants to survive. Props brother!
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This nikka wrote a book in the comments section that I ain’t gonna ever read.
migos, young thug, lil uzi and future arent "fake" hip hop artists. they're the new age trap artists. they shouldn't be compared to old boom bap style hip hop artists. no matter how much i hate them, they do their music well and make crowds bop. the real hip hop is to be alert, to be cool, to be in fashion, to be anti normal, and most importantly to be everything people *dont* want from you. respect where respect is due. these artists are good in their own category.
@@TheTillmanSneakerReview Trap is not hip hop lol
they not even real trap mumble rap ain't trap Real trap artists are Jeezy, Gucci n TIP n they didn't mumble shit...I hate da fact dat nowdays people think that mumble rap n da new sound esp that comes out from ATL is trap muzik while in reality that wack shit ain't real trap...check out trap music songs from the early 2000 u will see what real trap muzik is about totally different from this new generation mumble shit what people think is TRAP...
@@kasjamm Trap is the next generation of Gangsta Rap. It is still a Hip hop.
@@mansamusa7719 It's trash with no talent mumble rappers with the same basic beats
its the lyrics man, the lyrics are missing! its watered down now!! they need lyrics!!!!!!!!!!
All that glitters isn't gold, just as all that raps isn't Hip Hop. Rap is just one element of Hip Hop culture that has become popularized, commercialized and, in a way, turned into a culture of it's own. I think it would be best if we differentiated Rap culture from Hip Hop culture. They are related but not the same. A person can master the art of rap but that doesn't mean that they are Hip Hop. Just as a person can master the art of traditional Chinese cuisine, for example, but that doesn't mean that they are part of the Chinese culture. This is the basis of cultural appropriation, when people take an aspect of the culture, often changing it to suit their agenda thus straying from the original intent of the element, and use it for their own benefit without actually being part of that culture or being part of the culture but not giving back to it in any way, or taking more from it then they actually give back which I believe is the case with most big commercial rappers. It takes waaaay more than just being able to rap to be part of Hip Hop culture, and this doesn't only apply to white rappers. Hip Hop is a culture based on merit, it's all about showing and proving, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, etc.. You have to earn your stripes in the culture of Hip Hop no matter who you are, and earning your stripes was never, and will never be about who has the most money or sells the most records. People think that the most popular rappers are the truest representation of Hip Hop culture and that's one of the biggest problems we face when it comes to the perception of the culture. The culture is so much BIGGER that just rap, it's best represented in the streets on an every day basis. There are real Hip Hop heads that most people never heard of that have done far more for the culture than some of these "legendary" rappers that everyone thinks are the truest representation of the culture. From my perspective, some of the biggest culture vultures are some of the rappers that many consider legends. Many people believe that the rap "legends" contribution to Hip Hop culture is the impact they've had on making one element of the culture, rap, a part of worldwide pop culture, but one could argue that that has actually been a detriment to the culture. Regardless, giving back to the culture involves much more than just popularizing the genre of rap. I could go on and on but I'll save it for when MURS invites me on the show :) Peace, love and Hip Hop forever!
DISL Automatic / Plant Based BIGness, I think you would like this dude Watch "Quiet storm/Perfect Storm Prodigy Tribute!" on RUclips
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@disl automatic - I love everything you had to say. And can you recommend some hip hop artists to follow? Thank you!
Exactly.
lol sure you are
Dante Smith A.K.A. Sparda:
I am a black male too and i truly feel you. Real talk
Talking about jewelry n wealth all day gets old and sleepy after a while...
Peterson Timothee yet all the greats have done it
Jay z and Biggie talked about it all throughout the 90s but because of nostalgia, were gonna omit that too? Im 31 years old and can appreciate both eras cuz im not stuck in the past like everyone else commenting here. Like Murs said, if you dont like it theres plenty of avenues to find what you do like
Biggie started that , he's not real hip hop ?
Cool, you got many greats in underground and in rap today. Choose.
@@goalfactory5040 There's actually many reasons why I don't like him. This is a controversial opinion since I love the Golden Era but I straight up don't like him. And Hip-Hop is subjective so I don't think someone else's superiority needs to be shoved down each others throats. As that's no better than the ways & mentality of the Industry that corrupted, sabotaged & sold out our Culture in the Mainstream to Capitalism.
/ rap is something you do. Hip Hop is something you live! /-KRS-1
I won't dispute if Migos and Future are "real" Hip Hop. I don't know that there needs to be a distinction. They're Hip Hop. I just don't register them as quality. You are very correct that Hip Hop is many things beyond just lyricism. One thing I've gotten from Hip Hop is the celebration of inclusion. All can be a part of it. The second part that comes with it, though, is competition. Perhaps Migos and Future have something going in that realm, too, for the album sales are certainly there. But, at the same time, the fine dining restaurant in the heart of the city is never intimidated by McDonald's "Billions and Billions Served" reminder. Quantity doesn't equate to quality. So, I could care less as to how much they sell. It's all about substance, and there just isn't much there with Migos or Future.
To put it in context, I think for me (and thus, it's debatable) the line between a quality artist and those who aren't, is that you hear that quality artist, and you're a bit envious of something they came up with. You're impressed. They wrote something you don't think you could have written. They string words together you never thought to put together yourself. You kick yourself for how good they did it. For how hard they hit those bars. The intricacy of what they've done both inspires you, and makes you wonder just how they were able to do it. Krs-ONE has done that for me many times. RZA has constantly done that for me. Eminem, Biggy, Tupac, Redman, the list goes on. Migos and Future have never done this for me. I've never heard a song of theirs and thought, "Man, how did they write that? That's so amazing!" Never. Their songs, specifically the rhyme scheme (or lack there of) isn't bad...it's just boring. If it sounds like the lyrics could have been written in one pass on an afternoon, I'm not likely to be impressed, and at the same time, I just described how their songs sound to me.
Still, I respect your work on the topic and the argument you made. It's good food for thought that many should consider. Rather than saying they aren't Hip Hop, back packers should focus more on why they are Hip Hop, just not quality Hip Hop. There's certainly no shortage of reasons for that argument.
(One last thing...As far as the auto-tune goes, I can't agree with you that it's just a "tool". It's beyond that. MC's have a specific voice. A specific tone. Something that is signature to their work. I suppose it's an argument that Future now has a specific voice because of his constant use of auto-tune, but it's just not the same. We went from a mentality of "keep it real" to "auto-tune the be-jeezus out of everything". It's in the realm of photoshop images, sitcom laugh tracks, etc. If you were to write a song about driving in your Benz, but you actually own a clunker, or if you rap about time in the pen, when you have never even had a misdemeanor, you're fake. When you mask your voice to be in tune because you actually can't carry one in the first place, that's not as fake, but it's certainly approaching it.)
MrLundScience Well said, I agree with you 100% about how a true artist (not just a rapper, but any genre) makes you want to have that sort of talent and as a result inspire new generations. In regards to what is considered "real hip hop", no matter how bad a rap song may be, it's still inherently a rap song.
Yep. Nail on the head.
MrLundScience Word! My sentiments exactly.
MrLundScience well said!!
MrLundScience well said bruh!
God this comment section is toxic
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@@surv1vor68 You're the CAPTCHA.
I was thinking the exact same thing....and I ain't even watch the video yet...DAMN!!!
It may be all real hip-hop but not real rap which stands for rhythm and poetry and new hip hop seems like they focus exclusively on rhythm...ish.
I like this!
So atleast they're still focusing on 50% of the craft, when using your logic bro
Joseph Blanchard hamster hit the nail on the head
oh congrats on meaning of r.a.p. sweetheart, you are very smart lol
What is poetry, though? Are there any "rules" for poetry that modern performers aren't following?
imo 90s hiphop or the so called "GOLDEN ERA" is the true and real hip hop.
Nah 2000s
No doubt
Mid-late 90s was golden for sure but the early 2000s was an iconic moment in time for music as a whole
MURS, did not break down SKILL properly.
Syllables?
Rhymes?
Versatility?
Ability?
Variations?
These new kats are "innovative" in what exactly? Lol.
innovative in being shit, each one worse than the other.
The triplet pattern in migos flow is rhythmically more complex than a considerable amount of boom-bap from 90's. Its a mistake to think just because something is commercial means it is not musically accomplished.
Led Zepper exactly and hardly any wordplay
Led Zepper syllables? The hook for Bad n Boujee has that ("b*tches is bad n boujee/n*ggas is savage, ruthless").
Murs is a super sick rapper . check him out.
Wow, what a cool analysis, such a nice way to present it. I gotta admit, I might get old, but the old stuff really resonates with me, the new stuff feels wrong, doesn't make me move or wanna sing! I guess I just don't understand it for not having listened to it long enough, but either way, you're spot on with your analysis there! Cheers for the vid!
There's too much added. Plus mumbling
Yo bruh you sound like your grandparents. That's exactly what they would say about the music you like. SMH
@@ericp173 and what's wrong with that? it's an opinion, being old doesn't automatically mean you're wrong.
@@ericp173 there is still good music coming out, but mumble rap is just horrible
Hard to like something that's impossible to understand..
the thing about migos are slow flowers and they all sound the same songs
Dawn Bennett I don’t about slow flowers they always switch from fast to slow during the song, they got the same voice and auto tune every song but the flows don’t sound the same
Slow flowers lmao ? Listen to Takeoff’s verses on “Commando” and “Bars” please. Just search bars- migos and commando- migos on RUclips and focus specifically on takeoffs verses
I no yall mean slow flow-ers, but all I see is flowers everywhere lol
You can't mumble every words and called it Rap, that's not the point of Rap.
they dont mumble every word. you obviously haven;'t listened to migos and just jumped on the bandwagon.
@@kleask1552 good joke bud
@@zanez7953 name three mumble rappers you cant understand
@@kleask1552 migos, thats 3 lol.. first time ive listened to them, i couldnt make out wtf they were saying, it hurt my ears
@@floggyWM1 they don't mumble. and if you think you can't make out what they're saying, you obviously didn't listen and judged it by someone else's opinion
Comparing “they want efx” to that Migos track tho?! Smh
It's like comparing a Lewis Carroll poem to some random gibberish a middle schooler writes.
I'll agree that this new era of hip hop is real hip hop. But I still can't deny that there's been some regression in lyrical ability. Especially when it comes to styles like trap music. I'll admit that I haven't listened to much trap so correct me if I'm wrong but I see an increase in the amount of ad-libs and simpler flows. To top that off there seems to be a decrease in diverse subject matter. I have yet to hear lil Yachty or Migos rap about anything other than money, women, and drugs. And while those things are fine to rap about, and have been staple topics in hip hop for decades, they shouldn't be the ONLY things people rap about. It's songs like "I gave you Power" "Suicidal Thoughts" "The Blacker the Berry" and "Aquemini" that make hip hop my favorite genre.
listen to denzel curry's album "imperial" it's a trap album that's also insanely lyrical
I will not deny that production and mixing is more intricate and advanced than it ever was. But in a rap song the beat serves as a foundation for the lyrics. It is the sonic stage that a rapper performs on. And no matter how glorious the stage, no matter how fine the craftsmanship, the show is garbage if the performer can't perform well.
Dan what the fuk happened to different subject matter!!!!!!!??????
You right about that
Blacker the Berry is is modern new era Hip Hop...
What I just learned from this breakdown is that somewhere along way I turned into "Get off my lawn!" guy. I USED to be hip. 😭 Introspection is humbling.
I grew up on heavy metal. Its literally the same idea. Everybody has their preferred sub genre. Thrash metal is Real metal. Nu metal is fake metal.
Just like with metal, I've grown to appreciate all different styles of hip hop. Everybody's creating art based on their own experiences and their influences. I'm along for the ride enjoying the great pallet of music out there to vibe to. Cheers
Tbh, nu-metal doesn't stand the test of time very well especially bands like Limp Bizkit and Coal Chamber. Korn and Powerman 5000 do hold up pretty well though. Beastie Boys and Rage Against the Machine were more 'rap/rock/punk fusion' but they hold up fantastically, GOATs.
Notice how he can't make any comparisons with the great rappers of 93'-03', lol. That was the golden age when rap hit its peak. If you wan't to listen to your mumble BS, so you can shake your ass and "move" to the beat go ahead man. Some of us prefer to listen to music that doesn't just make you "move" but also delivers a message and takes more of an effort to produce.
Wow you're so cool
The Rambler you want act like “Hypnotize” “can it get a....”
“In the Club” and having lived through that era. I have to say that Cole Kendrick and Drake are technically on par with whoever you feel the top 3 of that era. That era you just mentioned “whoomp there it is” “C’mon Ride the Train” The Yin Yang Twins.... peak?
Murs Tv You're making the assumption that I said that there were only great rappers in that era, never said that. But any fan of hip hop would agree in that most of the best rappers ever were part of that era and were topping charts making tracks that were mostly at least lyrical masterpieces with some meaning.
Hypnotize was a lyrical masterpiece btw. If one of your mumble idiots could at least rhyme his words properly then I might actually enjoy his crap even if it lacks meaning.
MursTv LMFAO name a single fucking Drake song that's as lyrical as the last shit Canibus took after doing an eating challenge at Taco Bell. I'll wait.
J3Wburner6K6K6K This is a nigga (Murs Tv) that thinks "mumbling" incoherently to a beat like lil Uzi shit is legit music, lol. I'm sure he doesn't even know what "lyrical" means anymore, so don't waste your time.
I think what truly needs to be acknowledge are the sub genres that have created throughout 40 + years in Hip Hop. In Rock, we have sub genres like alternative and punk. Addressing the sub genres will, hopefully, allow the listeners to distinguish which sub genre they're truly interested in.....
there is... electro, funk rap, gangsta, P-funk/G-funk, Miami rap, Miami Bass, Euro hip hop, Britcore Hip Hop, Rock rap, ...many many more styles...unfortunately many many people just don't consider this mumbling shit to be good enough to be included in the HipHop family of styles. People say it's all just about dissing on the young ones. It's not but only young ones who aren't mature enough will just think how it's sooo unfair and everyones picking on them because they're young and us old folk don't understand... no it's because it's garbage... but hey if you like that stuff feel free to spend your money on it..
As a true head, only thing I recognize is hip hop, and Trap. And trap is that garbage that gets played on the radio 24/7. You'll never hear a boom bap artist get played on the radio, but those artists are light years ahead of these fake cats that are only in it for the money
I disagree with erthang this guy is spitting!
@Stieme Styles me too fam gangs, drugs all that stuff, Falsify for who thou. Bam
I too, have an opinionated distaste for this man's statements.
I think this dude might have invested in some of these new artist so he trying Stück up for EM idk ijs imo def don't agree though 🤷🏾♂️
Talk normally
Yo facts he staying unbiased for clout talking bout there's no such thing as real hip hop. Nigga your ears will tell you the difference and if they don't then wtf you listening to? Oh yeah, migos. Fuck outta here with that shit bruh I got a whole breakdown of my own in the comments y'all check it out tell me what you think
Been a DJ since 1989 & never said "this is not music" until Migos dropped. Now, every other head is knockin tripples, mumblin & lookin like Rick James. Every set I pull old school tracks in & never lose the vibe. This Versace (Migos) vibe is virtually un-dancable. Perhaps I am just getting old...
You are
Migos music is only for soulless, rave zombies that dont comprehend human languages hence mumbling. I had a better time dancing to the whispers and goddamn hall and oates sir
We are getting old but we also have a certain standard that we developed from being influenced by greatness.
Wu tang 4ever....
KocЯk_oFF death row recordz
and gears of war too! (but bring back fucking warzone and throw out the respawn shit modes) ;D
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I love Hip-Hop’s flexibility and diversity. The bevy of sounds, trends, mixes and samples makes our music the world’s most powerful to me. What I don’t love is thematic laziness. Sayin Versace a billion times and having the hundredth song produced where you talk about how cool you are is laziness.
Exactly!!
Lmao Cant think of anything to say? > just brag. The sad part is that people eat that shit up too.
Ulek _ agreed and the thing is, there is room for that too but our audience isn’t critical enough and so ppl take the easy way out and brag too much because not much thought has to go into that. Need fans who will demand more depth in our music.
Facts.
If u talk bout thematic laziness, it's same wit other genres which talk bout only love and romance. Atleast, hip-hop talks bout real life issues.
Great points. As an old head I have been through every decade of hip hop since 1977 Sugarhill Gang. Each era has great rappers and whack ones. The way I see it, is that rap has evolved. Each Region, west coast, east coast, dirty south has to have their own brand in order to establish themselves. I absolutely love the era of rap from 1986-1991 and then when gangsta rap came, I was like uhhhhh but in fact I bump those too. Era's and rappers have to evolve in order to stay relevant. You have a 5 to 7 year span, make the best of the career you have because rap keeps moving . The new artist or mumble rap, it is what is hot right now, just like when rapping fast was the movement. Hell look at Jay-Z with Big Daddy Kane and Jazz-O . he rapped like Twista. He changed and became relevant and left the others behind. So called pure hip hop heads hated DAS EFX and the pressure made them change their style. They fell off after their second album. Bone Thugs, singing the hook, Nate Dogg and 50 and now Drake. Do what is hot, make you paper because at the end of the day you want to get paid. No one raps for free. There is no such thing as a sellout when you are making money. You cannot make everyone happy, do you, get your dough and prepare for the future because when you look back your career will be over after your second album. DAS, Craig Mac, Soulja Boy and countless others.
You may be right on most points here, but can we all agree that mumble rap is just a travisty? I mean seriously, the point of rap is to make people pay attention to your lyrics out of everything, but how can you do that when all you hear is "mumble mubmle mumble"? Now a days, all you gotta have is a real good beat that catches the audience's ear and then add in a few mumbles here and there to compliment the tune, when it should be the other way around, the melody complimenting the rap. The world just gets worse and worse, I mean even that girl Danielle Bregoli (Catch me outside girl) is rapping and getting views for just for spitting worthless lyrics that have no soul except for the ghost writer's.
Disk Jockey J Totally agree. Mumbling is mumbling. Raping is speaking. Put that shit in its own category.
JOEFRESH PAGE soulija boy started this lol haha too sad
I love from 86-91 I agree with most of this
brainman67 PURE HITS AND BEATS AND LYRICS
I can hear "Make money money", i dont understand a single word the second guy said.
Basque FM stfu
ƁƖƓ ƇӇƲƝƓƲƧ he’s right
Noah Oliveri stfu
not that hard to understand if you listen to rap at all you can hear he’s saying “fuck up some commas” in guessing you have never listened to rap before
If trap didn't live under the genre of HH, this wouldn't even need a debate.
Give the synthetic mumble trap crap it's own genre and we can live happily ever after.
yellchai Hallelujah
Well it's hip pop. Just cause you say it isn't doesn't make it so. This guy made strong points and He has the credit to state his opinions. You can call it whatever you want, but At the end of the day it's Hip Pop.
If you had a brain he clearly said that it was hip-hop. Saying, "If trap didn't live under the genre of HH, this wouldn't even need a debate," meaning that if the trap music style weren't considered hip-hop then nobody would even fight over this music being hip-hop or not. I'm of the younger generation and I understand that people want killer beats and shit, but I really don't understand how people can listen to other people saying nonsense that you can't understand without captions. There is no doubt that the music is considered hip-hop, whether I like it or not. However, most of the people that listened to / listens to the older hip-hop artists prefer lyricism and wit when they listen to music. If you could make these two styles of music into different categories nobody would have a problem. But, because they are in the same category, people have a problem with it, because it is straying away from the roots of the category. People enjoy listening to all types of music, some people can even listen to almost all music. I personally listen to just about everything, including some music in other languages. Everybody enjoys listening to the type of music that best suits their ears but we are colliding what should be two categories into this category that had already had a place in people's hearts.
Well said. I think you gave me the ah ha moment I needed. .....its own genre and we can live.......well said
@@ghosttmilkt so insightful and real. Just like people called RnB singers 'soul' artists, until they found a new term for them. Being inclusive to all music is great, but allowing for music to change and evolve into new forms also means allowing for some separation between the old and the new. I still think they should just call it "Trap" straight up. That's what it's about: trapping and partying. And that whole hi-hat and sub, heavy sound has just become associated with being trap. Why not solidify it?
Also, BITING is the main problem, since everyone is rapping the same 3 or 4 rhyme schemes in a different order. We need more original FLOW.
Jeremy Seven I agree. Every rapper now coming out sound like the Migos.
That's my problem with the whole thing, if I could tell em apart maybe they could get some of us original (old) heads to like them.
As opposed to 90s hip hop where almost every Hip Hop song format was Verse-hook-Verse2-hook-Verse3-hook? Don't act like the 90s had amazing flow; most emcees had a straight-forward delivery.
Jeremy Seven biting is like stealing. You couldn't do this in the 90s. In the 90s everyone had their own style. Nowadays it's all same simple beats. I'm sure 9th wonder is laughing at you
Jeremy Seven dudes will bring up that sample based hip hop is hypocritical on the point biting but I counter that with if hip hop didn't sample I wouldn't of discovered the sample artists.
With all due respect Murs is talking garbage here.
He's a Trojan horse for Migos love acting like he's a historian.
Murs is a dope
The truth hurts huh?
If Murs doesn’t know the difference between these I lost faith
@Hip Hop DX My thoughts exactly sir. I'm a fan of both for different reasons. Of Course since I'm a little older I lean more towards the Old School side. But the new school brings it's own flavor to the culture.
That's true. I like some new trap shit just like Run The Jewels for example, but seriously, the trend of trap is getting every single rappers to do the same thing and using the same tools: autotune, triplets flow, the feeling of listening to same hi-hat beats again and again, rapping about Gucci or Versace... it comes out it's pretty hard to find something that sounds fresh and different within all that mess :D and it's even worth in France dude, you should listen to the most famous rappers here... you'd just get a nosebleed by listening. That's probably why I'm fed up with the trap thingy. Oh and sorry for the long answer :D
This brotha very articulate but has missed the mark.
@Joshua Chamberlain Well said
Joshua Chamberlain THIS^^^^^
Hes trying to articulate some bullshit
I think he "missed the mark" on some thangs and hit 'em on others more than most of us "old heads" wanna admit. His comparisons between Das EFX and some of the mumble rappers were dead on.
ayy man i aint no mumble rap fan or nothing but dont act like every rapper today is trash, theres so much underground talent out there. UK grime scene in particular has been banging lately. maybe try listening to some new stuff instead of the same shit for 40 years, even biggie gets old after a while man.
If this many rappers sounded the same in my era, we never would have made it to 2017. Faaaaaaaaaaax.
Jeremy Seven FACTSSSSSS we clowned the hell out of you if you bit someone style. B biter dope style taker tell you to your face you ain’t nothing but a faker.
I used to always be one of those people who called new rap fake rap. Even tho I'm only 20, I started with old school rap and some current but not much. This video definitely helped me understand the culture a lot more! I think I'm gonna start looking at things differently from now on.
Yeah check Joey bada$$ ,j cole ,Saba ,Denzel, KENDRICK ,Lupe, ski, chance, noname,rapside
All of them are lyrically good
If you want to get to trap ( there nothing cold mumble it could trap) go check TRAVIS scott, lil uzi,21 savage ,ti, young thug
mumble rap aint hiphop,,its bad music made to make money fast...no way.... I rly hope the likes of Kendrick Lamar is the future and not these f'in mumblers
GageOne No, Kendrick Lamar is not the future. The future of hip hop is to be a childish, stupid comedy so kids can laugh. It's the sad truth
There is no such thing as mumble rap, if people understand it then it's actual rap. Chief Keef, Gucci Mane, and Future are HipPop. Just cause there content isn't lyrical and Have 4/4 beats doesn't make them irrelevant to that label. Tons of rappers rap like them, but Some don't make it big. Your statement has no facts behind it and Makes absolute zero sense. Diffwrence between Eminem and Gucci Mane? One makes music about the negatives in his past life living in Detroit and How he came up and challenged his problems. While the other raps about selling drugs and gangbanging to escape his problems. Different beats, Different flow, Different lyrical content. No such thing as " Real Hip Pop " or " Mumble Rap ". It's irrelevant if someone doesn't like violent music. If people can relate, then they like it.
Not all Hip-Hop's about violence tho.
Did you even watch the video?
Is he really putting Das EFX up on a pedestal as if it's the best the "golden era" of hip hop has to offer? This is straight-up cherrypicking. He's comparing mediocre old school to the best the modern era has to offer. He compares a low-key hip hop show from the old school to the rowdiest modern show he could find. I just ended up IN A PIT at a KRS One show a couple of months ago, crowd going so nuts they trampled my sneakers. That's not happening at a Migos show.
Ivan Diaz nothing against future and Migos but you think they're the best modern day rappers? Have you not heard of J Cole or Kendrick Lamar. Chance the rapper. Joey Badass? Your a fool.
He also compared Future, a grown man, using autotune to a boy of about six or seven years old that he showed in this video, when he suggested that autotune is just a tool so people shouldn't view Future poorly for using because there are a plethora of major label and indie artists that can't pack a stadium the way Future does and they use autotune too; so that proves Future has skills. I don't dislike Future. But, it's illogical to compare his ability to that of a small child, like this guy did on the video. If you are going to compare this generation's music to the previous generation, you have to compare the best to the best and the worst to the worst; otherwise it's like comparing apples to oranges.
Ivan Diaz Migos an future are not mediocre. I'm not fan but their unique so is future.
Mumble rap will always be trash!!!!
oakucme03 FACTS!
fuck Gucci gang its mumble!
but mumble hip hop isnt rap
I agree wit u..
thicc doggo dumbass he doesn't mumble in gucci gang. It's not what you old heads call real hip hop, but its not mumble
What I consider real hip hop is what speaks to me. I listen to 2Pac, Busta Rhymes, Migos, Outcast, YG and Ice Cube. All different but all speak their truth
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Hol up, how tf migos speak truf when the only thang that they talkin about is drugs and money and bitchs?
You wanna know why old school, back-in-the-day, rap is considered better music?? Because you can actually understand what they're saying
Saint so by that metric, classic blues crooners, jazz be-boppers, and any foreign language opera is trash music because you can’t understand it and thus see no musical value in it but Taylor swift is great music because she’s easy to understand.
Saint thank you
Taylor Swift is trash her voice isn’t even singing it’s talking I try giving artist the benefit of the doubt but when all the new age hip hop sounds identical and are rapping about the same thing in every song they put out there lies the problem there some new artist that talk about commercial shit but also spit cultural things that are going on that’s were you get memorable talent that lives on
Krista Carey well I guess reading comprehension wasn’t a required credit back at “ye olde nostalgia high school”
Wow 😒 I was writing in a hurry but guess next time I will proof read before writing my essay on RUclips.
I cant like Both ?
DJ Jon804 Remixes yea it’s cool , I love good music , I love both for different reasons tho
I love both. I’ll play magnolia on my way to work and Gimmie the Loot going home 😂
yesterday went from yatchi to tribe called q lol
More power to you because it means you have more music to enjoy and to look forward
DJ Jon804 Remixes yea you can why not , I do
4:20 the difference is I can understand the words on the old school track
Don’t change the fact they’re talking about the same thing
You forgot the thing that back in the days, the beats were way too good than beats from actual rap
Excellent points young brother. This ol head stands corrected. Salute!!
Don't do that bruh....I lived it. Das efx created a new flow. The "eggedy"....never seen or heard....
.migos style can be traced back to Bone from Ohio AND artists from Memphis.
Pple missing the real point.
And Hammer had a spiritual message. Tho he went thru a dilemma that even created P Diddy style, he was spiritual. These dudes dancing nowadays talking about some cut. Nothing positive.
This video is misleading at best.
dont be corrected by this fool. he doesnt know what he is talking about.
there is a big BIG exponential difference between hip hop and rapping.
hip hop uses multiple forms of the Bboy. modern rappers only rap. which makes them not a hip hop artist. but just a guy thats rapping.
U called murs "young man" yo he been a ug legend for many years now he prolly closer to yor age "old head"
Migos took Lord infamous/three six style from the early 90s honestly
@Lefteye's Soulmate Est. 91 *Real Talk*
I'd say it was more biting Bone Thugs n Harmony
@@baileymcmanus1816 naw dog..Lord Infamous
Lefteye's Soulmate Est. 91 every artist has to copy someone so are you gonna call logic trah because he sound like eminem. Bone thugs and lord infamous made the triplet flow but the migos made it popular.
I have never been I to rap but my employees listen to it and play it at work all the time, so I hear it bc of the fact. Everytime I hear a song I like, it's an "old school" song. Everytime I hear a song that I think is straight trash, it's a song in the last 5 years. So there's that.
Get this man a drink.... he speaks truth
if the term hip was applied to young urban kids who were looked down upon by society. and they decided to change the way they felt about their identity. by changing their attitude style of dress and creating their own release their own fun their own togetherness. Then we'll that is formulating and identity script as they would call it in psychology. So k.R. S ones' definition of hip, would be fitting. especially as hip hope evolved it took on more depth as tapers spoke of various situation in life. Economically, socially, politically and relationally. This is all knowledge!
+Nicholas Major 👍👍🍻
thats because your listening to radio, there is still rap talent out there its just not on the radio with the mainstream shit
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I was a kid when hip hop became a thing. I've seen it change over the years. Really, it's no different than rock music. People who grew up with the classic rock groups look at groups like My Chemical Romance and cringe. Hip hop fans are no different, they see the evolution as a bad thing, and think (rightly or wrongly, it's a matter of opinion) that there's a loss of talent and what once made hip hop great. People have a great attachment to memories and nostalgia, so they are resistant to change.
I'm no different. I still bang out the Beastie Boys and Tribe Called Quest whenever I'm in my car. I don't like new hip hop for the most part. I don't like the sound, I find the rappers lack any feeling or emotion in their delivery, and I think that they all sound the same. Pretty much all things that my parents said about hip hop when they would try to listen to what I listened to.
I do think that a lot of rappers these days don't follow the history of hip hop and it's evolution the way that fans and artists in the rock genre do. If you ask a younger fan of rock music about classic acts like The Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Eagles, etc. I believe you're quite likely to find that they know about them, have listened to them, and probably do still listen to them... In hip hop, a fan might know of KRS1, Tribe, the Beastie Boys, Run DMC, etc. but I don't think they'll be as likely to have actually heard them, or still actively listen to them. The respect for the past just doesn't seem to be there. You can even see it in the actual build of the tracks. Back in the 90's producers and beatmakers sampled some of the most unique sounds and bits from obscure songs and genres. They had all around music knowledge. I just don't hear that from most artists these days.
I think ur right but in one term I would even catch hands for is that rapper these days lack messages or creativity I think they most none and famous mainstream artist in this Genre have nothing two say or something someone already made a song for :/
Rap will cease to exist if everyone doing the same shit. Like the emo rock.
Rap will cease to exist if everyone doing the same shit. Like the emo rock.
Nigga said evolution Lmao. So going from Wu-Tang to migos is called evolution? Fuck outta here
Snoop even acknowledged that point that new rappers don't know their history and he said its our fault that we failed to teach. I love hiphop for a long time so i do see that there is not much acknowledgement of the history unless rappers doing shoutouts or references some of their favourite rappers. I think its also a personal choice to actually study that shit bcoz many new fans don't know much and they just consume the product without much thought
What I really don't like about migos is the background sound effect, they sound like puffy on Biggie's tracks XD
U disagreed with KRS-One on the definition of Hip, but your definition is basically the same, just phrased differently n expanded a bit.
As far as real vs fake, I've never considered any of it fake, I see rap as a part of hip-hop culture, but not all rap shd be labeled as hip-hop., just like not all DJ-ing is hip-hop, but turntablism n scratching are. There are plenty of songs with rapping in them and many rap songs that are not hip-hop by artist, by genre or by culture- some even before hip-hop existed. Ijs. I was raised in hip-hop culture, born in the 70s. I've been a hip-hop artist since I was 17, both amateur and professional. I've made songs I consider hip-hop (majority of my artwork) n I got other rap songs. My hip-hop songs are more cerebral n spiritual, my rap songs more in the mundane. I feel like if I'm not "hipping" my audience to anything of consequence, then it's just me rapping. Rap is the artform, hip-hop is the teaching, both are in the culture....in my humble opinion. I am very much of the KRS-One school of Hip-hop culture, and I think all these rappers spawned from hip-hop, so they must be part of it too...even if I despise it. 👍😉
Redman is authentically Hip-Hop and none of his songs have any real knowledge or teaching in them. He is a dope lyricist period. But I agree that Hip-Hop at its finest possesses a infinite knowledge and can be a teaching mechanism. However, every emcee doesnt have that capability or possess the mental ability to convey such a message. I dont expect for Redman to be KRS. But some of the best emcees can do both styles......
How many new school rappers died trying to be something they really not, and how many old school rappers died for kicking real ,life lyrics. These new school artist aren't living the life they claim. Old school actually live the life they rap about. That's the difference between real Hiphop and fake Hiphop. I'm old school I was there from the beginning.
John Ervinjr that deep 👍😫👍
Thank you! Finally someone who knows hip hip is hip hop, no matter what type.
I used to be one of those bitter heads, but i opened my mind up a bit more and atleast give a listen to everything before saying I don’t like it. I love Culture and Migos, not a fan of Playboi Carti (album and artist) so in all honestly you chose what you like and don’t diss someones preferences everyone is gonna like what they want to like.
WokeEggo frfr😂😂im only 20 but i used to cuss everything mumble rap/non lyrical, then young thug changed that😂😂
Man I don’t like mumble rap, but these arguments are too good
Do not be misled by this tool. Listen with your heart.
They ain't good at all.
Yeah, he acts like the big record labels don't decide what is and what isn't popular.
I dig the fact that you are sending love to all rappers but I feel you missed some points. Back in the day is was harder to make music, that sparkles creativity, now, because of technology, anybody can make a beat, and unfortunately most of them sound soulless and similar.
Rap was more about lyrics, rhymes, and also girls, parties, money. Now is all about money, fame, and a little bit of rhymes and lyrics. See the difference?
I dig todays music tho, but culture has changed no doubt, and like you said, violence was part of yesterdays rap so, is a good thing is not like that anymore. Great topic man.
STK He did take a neutral stance, but he clearly has some feels about backpackers claiming real hip hop. Which is understandable, but there are times he seems to be wanting to hop the fence and say backpackers and underground is removed from the true origins of hip hop.
But I will say homie put in that werk on his research and presentation. ✊🏾👌🏾
as someone who bought production equipment and has spent hours pouring over youtube tutorials with nothing to show for it, not everyone can make a beat.
I agree with you. Lyrical content ain't a worry to these POP-RAPPERS.
Well, I agree with your statement. Unfortunately, the 'Hip' 'Hop' nowadays is about getting fame and rich (with a bitch with bubble asses) with a good beat, but virtually no lyrics (that does make sense). Also autotune cracks up people's voices, it just sound so wack and robotic. Why can't they use their natural raw voice, being less trap hip-hop and be original, innovative and creative.
PrisonCipher - I'm 45, so I guess I would be classified as an old head. But I'm no fool, complaining about everything was better iback in my day and yelling at kids to get off my lawn, like many old fools in generations before me.
I certainly enjoyed more rap music when I was teen and 20 something. But that doesn't mean that the music was better. I was a different person then, and I listen to a lot more variety of music now. Again, that doesn't mean that the more diverse music is better either. I just try to enjoy what I enjoy, and other people enjoying other things doesn't really stop me from enjoying what I enjoy.
Sometimes when people talk about hip hop, I can't tell what's words and what's an artist's name.
So why were rappers in the 90s that made good quality music dissing rappers that sound like R&B singers?
DUDE GET A LIFE YOU COMMENTED ON THIS VIDEO LIKE 20 TIMES! FOH! SMH
E L I T E O N T H E B E A T FOR REAL MAN!
New Jack Swing is awesome though. It just evolved the genre further. Now most of this popular new stuff I see more of a devolution. If I'm wrong share a good mumble rapper with a good rhyme scheme flow and set of lyrics. Everyone is dissing mumble rap. I hardly know what it is.
Because It is NOT Hip-Hop.
rappers in the 90's are dissing the rappers who sound like R&B singers, is because of how 1- It's changing how hip-hop use to sound (which is bad because its horrible) 2- because they sound like R&B singers...
complicated and deep lyrics is what i like
marco polo yeah. Black Thought. DZK. Immortal Technique ANYDAY over these Garbage 'Rappers'
marco polo not so much complicated but unique if you can talk about your struggle in your hood all you want but if you can’t structured your words in a unique way (not always complex ) then your trash and generic
marco polo Yea but u cant play complicated and deep lyrics at a party. I think its all about balancing fake hip hop and real hip hop , because i feel like real hip hop is meant for thinking deeply when you have time on your own, while fake hip hop is meant for parties and clubs.
King Hippo ah , my bad . usually when people say hip hop i think that they are referring to rap
You would have hated Hip Hop when it started then because the lyrics were just as simplistic as the stuff on the radio today.
KRS one definition is the one I knew growing up it was knowledge and movement but conscious movement is the same thing big up blastmaster!
Real or fake right or wrong does not matter what matters is I can't even understand what these new rappers are even saying it's all the same tone the same Mumble the same crap nothing about them makes me want to dance get up and move that's the problem I have with new rap
yeah, like many videos (or arguments) -- pro arguments to bolster the point, but not enough counter examples, especially the glaring one regarding enunciation.
You cant but that doesnt mean everybody else
j mart 123 its all auto tune.
hating ass nice
Yeah u dont see any talent in rap industry maybe it was something differen before. However now i listen to rap but i dont appreciate this garn there is no talent. Everyone can write rap
I feel like all you need is flow and a good prod these days. You can rap over spongebob and make no sense but still make it a hit
oh you have to have Lil in your name to become famous n shit, don't need no talent anymore.
I hate people saying that the 90s was the golden era but never mention the 80s
Hamilton Quarterman you know they haven't herd shit if they say tha
Hamilton Quarterman FACTS!!!
I think you don't understand what Golden Ear means. 80's was probably considered the infancy, therefore cannot be considered Golden. Golden Era means the apex, when there was a mass of quality, stable product.
You cant get more quality than when krs rakim g rap epmd mc lyte etc first came out..those are your favorite rappers favorite rappers..before wu nas biggie smh
I am curious, please give me some names /links to good 80s hip hop. I am more of a early 90s guy (Mc Lyte, Queen Latifah- Black Reign. Tribe called quest etc.).
Anyway, knock yourself out giving me links to listen to.
I totally agree! I've always been telling hip hop heads this. Nice to hear someone bring it to point. Thx
for the record, i dont listen to Das efx, but they continued spittin rhymes every second of the song. there was flow.
When I listen to migos, they say three words, pause, says another three words, then pause ect.. Sounds like they cant flow. Also migos use ad-libs to fill in missing spots in their rhymes. wtf is that shit. im 21 and i dont see migos as Hip Hop. wack as shit.
Migos have flow, and they used their own flow.
Sunday Meme they don't use their own flow that flow is from early 2000s southern rappers such as 3,6mafia... migos, future ,young thug and other so called rappers are not hiphop they're rappers that's it. they don't use any skill nor effort. just simple and elementary style bars with usually the 3 bar set.
I like das efx but they said a lot of gibberish when they rapped, they made no sense half the time
I'm 21 and never liked the Migos neither they always been wack too me. but I listen to all forms of rap I'm not biased at all I like what I like.
Brennan Baers VLOGS how are the migos wack?
So 'real' hip hop is about being real right? I mean everything has to be real to a certain extent then, I would say that nearly all rappers are expressing emotions that they feel or stories that have happened to them, or dreams they have. I mean even if they create a story with their lyrics it's real in the sense they made it. I think 'fake' is just a term used by people who think that their music taste is superior to everyone else's and not taking into account the fact that music is a purely subjective experience. Life is too short to hate on people for what they like to listen to. But love you hosting man, thanks for the breakdown.
Thank you. Hip-hop elitists think anything from 2000 onwards is garbage
I don't like people rapping about shooting people if they fuck with them. because all they would probably do is nothing.
I completely agree with you. There is some music I personally don't really enjoy, but I'd never say it was "fake."
My guy, KRS1 definitely used the term hip the exact same way you did lol you didn't describe it any differently than him but it's all good!
SeattleSaint728 i was thinking that too.
4: KRS-One - Can't Stop, Won't Stop! #2Pac A.K.A. #Makaveli In this world, where everyone's lies White Man'z World. Eazy-E - Ole School Shit! 3: Notorious B.I.G - Gimme the Loot
Comparing das efx to migos? Starting to doubt you man..
"People thinking M.C. is shorthand for misconception"
Murs sounds like a firm advocate for ignorance. These new cats may be talented in the eyes of the label, but the message behind the music has changed. Real hip hop is for the people whose voices wouldn't be heard without the skill to articulate their surrounding
Real Talk
Murs sold out for the $
you took few examples from old school but like 95% of old school isn't like that and 95% of new school is just mumbling with autotune.
everyone makes fails and shit but nowadays you make so trash music so you can't even fail.
Valtteri Kovanen of course.. they killed real Hip Hop and are trying to bring in stuff that can all be created by a machine. Auto tune should be destroyed
Valtteri Kovanen 95% is mumbling with autotune? You and I both know that number is way too high. You know it's way less than 95%
Agreed of the crap pushed by the radios it's probably closer to 93% at least there's a lot of good projects in the pipe-line for'18 so let's stay positive and more importantly support live rap concerts.
Not,all new school,mumble raps there are some that are good
No one considers das lyrical from my generation, we made fun of them
i'm not even from that generation & I know their corny pbs kids nursery rhymers
Why is that?
Its hiphop, but crappy hiphop