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Process Lasso for MSFS: Increase Performance and Smoothness with CPU and RAM Optimizing | MSFS 2020
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Let's use Process Lasso to optimize our CPU and RAM memory usage, giving us better performance and increased smoothness in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
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00:00 Intro
03:15 Profiles
05:00 Process Lasso Setup
06:00 CPU Management
07:00 CPU Affinity
08:20 Managing Other Processes
09:45 CPU Sets
11:30 RAM Management
13:00 Smart Trim
16:20 Smart Trim Exclusions
16:55 Probalance Exclusions
17:20 Probalance Demo
20:10 Final Thoughts
IMPORTANT: One thing I forgot:
1. With the sim is running, right-click on flightsimulator.exe and select "Induce Performance Mode" from the dropdown menu (see this menu at 06:05 in the video). This will make sure your PC is running in performance mode whenever MSFS is running.
2. Then right-click on flightsimulator.exe again, go to CPU Affinity, and make sure your CPU settings are correct (core 0 disabled, all other P-cores enabled).
Sorry for the oversight, this was a complicated video to make!
What exactly does Performance Mode do?
@@Level10Productions It induces the power plan for that application, it is basically useless if you already are using a good power plan
Thanks do much. I did the past two days 2 of your suggestions to improve and finally today after the LASSO help and you my system is running at 60 fps. Thats what I like and enjoy now more and more MSFS2020. Thanks again for your clear tutorials to improve.
Thank you again for another excellent video helping me to improve MSFS performance, I'm cpu limited as I'm running on a laptop (13900h RTX 4090 32GB 5200) and I followed your instructions and they seemed to have made a big improvement, my FPS went up from mid 40s to mid 60s whilst using fsHud & FSLTL at Pyreegue's EGAA (albeit with frame gen running!). I've followed all of our videos regarding MSFS performance and they have improved my simming enourmously - Thank You!
I love your videos. Every now and then they pop up and I learn something new to about getting some extra frames.
Keep em coming!
Thank you so much, the positive feedback really means a lot!
Thank you for creating this video and sharing your insights with us. I've been using Process Lasso for over a year now and it's been essential for running full resolution on my Quest 3 VR in MSFS. I hadn't explored the memory trimming feature before, so I really appreciate your explanation of how it works.
It would be nice to hear what sort of settings work best for you if you dont mind sharing as you have a year up on most of us. Good to hear, thanks!
@@Level10Productions wow, i hear you, but that is a long list. I wish i had documented it all. Below are what i found to be must influential. 1- Running a custom Windows OS called Revision. It is a highly customized OS for low latency gaming. 2) Always installing drivers with NVCleanInstall, this allows you to install debloated drivers which yield higher performance than regular drivers installation, 3) following the guides of IslandSimPilot, 2020 fs'ers and VR Flight Sim Guy.
Just a word of warning: in VR, for the Aero and Q3, Process Lasso can cause extreme instability. This is a common complaint among *some* users of the aforementioned headsets. Some people swear by it. I can’t seem to use it with my 13900k and 4090 but I know others can. Your mileage may vary, of course.
I haven't tried this with my Aero yet but you could/should add the Varjo software to the exclusions, which might help.
As always a great video!
Can you make a video with process lasso on and off and see what kind of benefit you encouter?
You took me back a few years... I used Process Lasso when I was still in FSX (2018) and it did make a good deal of difference in performance. Of course now, I only use my MSFS PC for MSFS...so my numbers with MSFS running (and edge and GSX), my processor usage is 17%, the responsiveness 100% and the memory load at 30%. These numbers did not change when I introduced the settings you suggested. This may have to do with the fact that I have a i9-13900k processor, 64GB of RAM and a RTX 4080 GPU. Where I believe I will get the better performance is during long flights (>8-9 hours) where the load on the machine tends to increase.
For those that don't have moderate to high performance PCs (mine is considered "moderate"), if you learn how to use Process Lasso and how to do the tweaks, you will get better performance, especially if you have a i5 or i7 processor. With those processors, freeing up every bit of CPU resource and RAM will keep the sim stable.
Thanks for taking me back to go forward!
Love Process Lasso, been using for a long time as in the past I was an avid tarkov enjoyer and to optimise that on a r5 3600 was a pain. Now I use it on pretty much all games that are performance heavy. If you don't have the trial like me, you can't use CPU sets, so you have to individually select CPU affinity, but I haven't had any issues doing that on my system for navigraph, volanta, or fsltl injector. I now want to test it for the fenix app, as I had never previously thought about that, so I'll let you know my thoughts soon. Additionally, If you right click on the graph if you will give you a dark mode options, saving your eyes when you tweak things in the middle of the night.
This is not about Microsoft flight simulator, however I wanted to just say that I am using lasso because somebody told me that it could help with my loading times with dcs. All the sudden for no reason that I could tell it would take like 3 minutes for DCS to open after I click on the icon. And I have an absolutely up-to-date top of the line PC with the best of everything at this moment and 64 gigs of RAM and all of a sudden it just was not load. So I installed lasso and instantly my game was loading within 20 seconds and up and ready to go so just wanted to put that in that somebody who actually needed it for speeding up my load times and it works absolutely perfectly
That's terrific!
Hi There ! Thx for this presentation of this piece of software. Now that you seems to have reach a plateau in your Holly Grail quest, you could add another target besides "smooth and crispy" namely "low powered". In other words you could now try to keep your sim smooth ad crispy while reducing its electrical power consumption (the fuel for our sim ! ).
For instance you could undervolt your GPU and CPU, use an FPS limiter like Rivatuner that comes along with MSI Afterburner. I noticed that the power consumption is much lower when FPS limit is set at 30 than at 60.
30 is more than enough in my opinion during en route phase at high altitude. This FPS settings are very easily done using Rivatuner.
Fly safe, Cheers,
Had a great group flight. Need to change some of my control surfaces with my Boeing yolk, peddles, and throttle. Once that's done I should be able to keep up. Thanks again for hosting! Also, thanks for the great tip! I'll let you know on the next group flight how it works.
Great Christopher, so glad you joined us!
Hey, to me you are saver, i'm very fortunate that I came cross to your channel, your every video so far I watch is 100 million times worthy
Really helpful atleast for me.
Really greatful to you,
Thank you so much...
Thank you so very much, that's kind of you to say!
I used lasso a while back but it did not make any difference with AMD cores. No p or e cores. I did some testing and for me it is better not to select the AMD cores. And I am using Autofps and a small memory manager to get rid of the purge list with great success. So I’ve revisited process lasso and setting the smartrim as you described plus AutoFps it really improves my performance. Thanks you.
Which memory manager are you using? Windows store has one.
@@ParanoidBishop I am using Intelligent standby list cleaner (ISLC) v1.0.3.2 Released (updated) when not running Process Lasso
Great video! I learned some very useful new things about Lasso (been using it for years).
Thanks Cap!
Don't see P Cores or E Cores i5 12th gen intel what should i do Thanks for these vids
Important update 🔔
Since the release of sim update 15 processor Laso became obsolete because the sim now is utilizing all of the cores so only setting the processor on P cores will result in an occasional stutters especially if you 6 or lower p cores if you want to use it just don’t set any affinities
process lasso is awesome, use it for a year now with my 7950x3 d
Great! Glad to hear some good feedback on it.
Same CPU here! Yea PL is awesome. Which cores you using? :D
@@Inupajuk1981 hi , I am running MSFS on the 3d cores 5,7,9,11,13 and 15. So in my case MSFS run best on 6 cores. I have SMT enabled on my PC but don't use it for MSFS. All other stuff like Fenix are on the non 3d cores. this gives me At KMIA/Fenix 12:00 clear sky at runway 27 120FPS when you take out the GPS of the limit by cranking done the render scale and make cpu limiting factor. This is for me the only way to test the FPS. I don't use gamebar or chipset to determine what is running on which core but Process lasso is doing a mighty fine job!
Im in VR with 4090 and 7950X3D with Reverb G2. Should i give every Game the Cache Cores C0 (8+8) ??
@@nonfamousI just got Lasso today. I’m running a AMD 7900 X3D and used your tip for the 3D cores….seems to help, thank you so much.
Thank you for yet another informative video!
I was going through the steps of setting this up when I noticed that during the initial phase of setup, flightsimulator.exe was running at a Normal priority class. Later, when you are demonstrating Smart Trim, the priority class is showing as High. (time in video to compare: 8:07 vs 18:19) Did you make a change that is not shown in the video to switch it to High? Thanks again!
I appreciate you showing this. I used to edit the registry years ago with FS2004/2002. This may save the headache. Have you noticed an improvement, at least fixing the stuttering issues? Do you think you will you continue to use this? I'd love to see some before/after video of this in action. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Sky, part of my problem is that I don't really have performance issues, so my before and afters are usually "good" and "good". :) But I've ready plenty of stories of this being transformative for people in terms of FPS and smoothness.
Hello! In my CPU Affinity not appear CPUe... Just CPUs
Hey Mike, I Havent used Process Lasso for a while Now, So Upon Seeing this Video, Im Using it again ! Thanks !! Only My Paid Version isnt Showing "P-Cores" & "E-Cores" Either. There are Different Tabs Under the Columns of Cores Called "Stagger', "Invert", & "Clear"....So I Cannot Assign Those Processes Correctly According to your Video Here. What am I Missing ? I Checked & Installed the Latest Update, So That Cant be it, Right ?? What else Can I Try ?? I Have 0-19 Cores Showing to work with BTW...an i9 processer, & a 3080 GPU.
Monitoring
Hopefully with the new msfs2024 we don’t need to use this or any kind of software to get better performance on msfs due to multithreaded support!😊
Agree Duque!!!
Another excellent Video from the Sim God!
a registry node can be saved as reg textfile with the REG extension -- you can have 2 files with 2 different settings and then double-click - if they have a REG extension then windows knows what to do.
So, this can be automated somehow.
Great tutorial. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate the feedback!
How do you get to select P-cores and E-cores? In Process Lasso my CPU lists 16 cores, but no buttons for P-cores and E-cores. Does that mean my CPU doesn't have this? CPU is an i7-10700K.
Hi there - not really related to THIS video, but I'm reaching out to all in our sim community for help and advice.
The latest WU XVI Caribbean update says there's 3 new bush trips, but, although they show in the Caribbean update as being there, installed and up to date, they don't appear in the Bush Trip Menu page, and nor anywhere else! The MS FS2020/Asobo team say they're "Stumped" and have no idea as to why they don't show!! Very helpful - NOT!
Do you, or anyone reading this have any idea what may be the issue? My community folder is empty btw, and all of the 'new' Bush Trip aircraft are installed and up to date, and all versions of each aircraft are installed.
Does anyone else have the same problems?
Has anyone used this with the Fenix A320 yet? I noticed it tries to run using P-cores too. Wondering what has worked for others?
As always impressed by your knowledge of things. Helps me immensely with my sim. One thing though. In Lasso my memory usage remains high (87 in the sim of 32GB). Way too high if you ask me. How can I manage this better? Nothing of importance is running during simming... strange don't you think? Oh yeah. Momentarely at KORD in the A320 FNX. Can it have something to do with my GPU CUDA settings? Perhaps....
Why would Process Lasso not show me which ones are E cores and P cores, It only shows me 16 cores. I have an Intel i9-11900KF
e-cores are efficient cores. They appeared on 12th gen. Your processor doesn't have e-cores
Can we have a follow up video with the game FPS, CPU usage and GPU usage with and without PL ? Can you run the sim with 400/200 TLOD/OLOD now?
Under "main" and "active power profile", what do you use? bitsum" or "high performance"?
What to do if my cpu doesn't have efficiency cores?
In that case you don't have that option to push things onto your e-cores, you just don't do that part.
You can try running flight simulator on a separate set of cores, say 8 Even cores and everything else on Odd, something along those lines. Experiment!
I did exactly what you described but unfortunately it didn't yield good results for me.. I actually lost FPS and it still has the occasional micro stutter.. oh well. Good video though!
No p-core or E-core option for me. Anyone know why?
p-cores and e-cores are only on intel cpus and since 12th gen
@@jf4958 ok, but should i enable all cores that show up active? or should i just enable 1-7, disabling "0" and 8-15? thx
@@sharkfisherman1884 the idea behind disabling core 0 for flight sim is to prevent it from beeing disturbed. Windows 10/11 processes mostly use core 0. If processes of flight simulator uses core 0, they will share core 0 with Windows processes, resulting in slower and varying performances.
Disabling e-cores is a different trick. The goal is to prevent running with slow cores (e-cores a power efficient but slow). If you have an amd or an intel before 12th gen, no core is slow, so leave all cores except 0 enabled.
Hope this helps
I wonder why the devs wouldn't have included Services to be prioritized?
Are AMD CPU's the same, meaning the first 8 cores are performance cores and the next eight are efficiency?
p-cores and e-cores appeared on 12th gen INTEL processors. e-cores are less power consuming but are slower.
works werrry nice
Hi, thank you so much for your clear explanations!
In my Process Lasso at Select CPU Affinity I get the list with all my 20 available threads (0 - 19) but no tabs for E-cores or P-cores.
Any suggestions here?
You probably have hyperthreading enabled is my guess. What CPU?
@@IslandSimPilot My Spesc: i9 10900K @3.70GHz Commet Lake 14nm, RAM 64 GB 1066MHz, NVIDIA 4090,
@@mosheflute e-cores and p-cores are only since 12th gen processors
Are you running MSFS Auto FPS as well as Project Lasso?
Thank you very much. And for 7950X3D i ever give Games the 8 C0 Cores?
Hey, for AMD, they don't have e-cores, so I would just make sure whichever is the very first core is disabled for MSFS.
What if the CPU doesn't have efficiency cores, what would you set for non-MSFS processes as far as CPU affinity?
I would just take the sim off core 1 at least.
@@IslandSimPilot, just to clarify, when you say take the sim off core 1, do you mean the actual core 1 or core 0?
@@FlyingAce63 My apologies - take it off core 0.
@@IslandSimPilot Thanks
Hi
Just one thing, when opening the CPU Affinity Window I don´t have the P-Cores/E-Cores choices showing. They´re just not there. I´m using the FREE Version of it. Thank you for a great work.
Hey Paulo, what CPU do you have?
@@IslandSimPilot I have the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core Processor
I have an Intel i7 and don’t have those choices either. I appreciate the clarity and information quality you provide in your tutorials. Thank you!
Any good with VR ??
I am not sure, actually, I'm not a VR user. I would love for someone to try it out and let me know thought!
I will be the gunnie pig and give it a go when I get home and keep you posted.
I am new to this, but when running MSFS 2020, before starting it, there are several programs I need to have running and it is a pain to do. Is there a way to automate these, maybe just a single click on an icon. Maybe that being Lasso Process, and it will all ne done for you, just as you want it set up?
Yes. You can use a batch file to start everything at once.
@@davidicusb - I see, I got a rough idea of what you mean, but have not done a batch file before, got any good pointers or where to go, I would appreciate it.
Hi
Great video as usual.
What if no E-Cores? I have 11 CPU...🤨 I´m running on AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 6-Core Processor 4.00 GHz
Tks
Hey, for AMD they don't have e-cores, in which case I would just make sure you have core 1 or 0 (whichever the very first one is) disabled for MSFS.
Will do. Tks
Most is rocket science to mee. You can measure the gains with that "app"?
It does give you the CPU and RAM usage, along with "responsiveness", aka any input lag in your computer.
What happen if I don't have p and e cores and only have stagger and invert
Stagger and Invert will only help by separating programs out to use separate group of cores. It may or may not help you. Try running flightsim on its own group and everything else on the other cores.
@Level10Productions ohh meaning I run either on stagger or invert and other apps on the vice versa?
@bruhitsmoh I suppose its better than no control. If you designate certain cores to favor flight sim but not affinity, that should help. Does it?
@@Level10Productions cool
Can this bring down VRAM?
I'm looking into exactly that, will report back. It's a very powerful piece of software.
Wow ..... haven't used this app in at least 8 years !!! I have an i9-10900K and I do not see E-Cores or P-Cores. Not the buttons or the letter behind the CPU names.
I've heard about it for ages, I just haven't gotten around to it until now.
The 10900K was before E Cores were added. It has 10 P Cores, each with hypertheading, so the cores will be numbered 0 thru 9 (or 0 thru 19 including the hyperthreads in HWINFO64).
@@ColinDyckes Appreciate the knowledge, Colin, thank you!
@@ColinDyckes @IslandSimPilot That you so much for the input ;-)
Wow, made a marked difference. Thank you so much for putting it out. Since you are a true wizard on these subjects, I was hoping you could help me in elimination these annoying popup message. I made a short video of flying into one the remote Alaska airstrips I made as it seems to create the problem most often. Is it a GSX issue not recognizing ground services, and if so is there a way to rid myself of the messages without having to remove GSX? Thanks and if it's something that will help someone else please share it and explain what to do. Thanks George!
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Haha just before stream perfect
Process Lasso would break my sim prompting a full reinstall.
It did or you think it would?
@@IslandSimPilot it did, more than once
Same here, there were sudden CTDs until I deleted PL. I was on a 9700K, now It’s a 7800x3D under a hood and there is no need for this, as the CPU hasn’t P/E cores and non 3D chiplet.
When I built my MSFS-dedicated computer in 2020, I erred by installing 64GB of fast RAM. The consensus in the forums seems to be that it was overkill and a waste of money. However, at this point I'd think that it would at least make the Trim functionality in Process Lasso totally unnecessary. Is that deduction correct or incorrect?
@@Buddy308I too have 64GB. All it means for me is never running out of ram. That kind of overkill doesn't hurt for sure.