Indeed, in-ring psychology. How to sell, how you seem not to get over the injury you have, how to show how the battle is exhausting, how you tediously kick out after abuse, play out the crowd... You know, actual things drawing a dime, actual in-ring storytelling. Not indy flippity flips shit making action look like a cirque du soleil number.
@EAT THIS YOU GRAVY SUCKING DOG It is true to say that wrestling is the gayest sport. In Classical Greece, pops used to watch naked wrestling and even hooked up with the athletes. The right course of action is then to tone the gay down by turning modern pro wrestling into a soap opera for males, full of ridiculously badass arguments, cartoonish action shown in vignettes, larger than life storylines and such... Current formats have too much focus on in-ring performance. They try to pass it off as legit sport competition. It is ludicrous! Everyone besides smarks is perfectly aware that pro-wrestling is predetermined. You produce a good pro wrestling program as if it's a TV series, not an alternative to UFC!
As an aspiring wrestler, I listen carefully to Jim's advice. Personally I want to do a technical style similar to Dean Malenko, and have a focus also on Ring psychology, selling, emotion, etc Hopefully one day I can be good.
Gymnastics is a real sport and if you watch at least one showcase you will notice even the amateurs have more impressive moves than Will Osprey and Ricochet combined.
@@RandalfElVikingo FOR GIRLS!!! Males doing the pummel horse generate little interest. Teenage girls on the beam/floor; RATINGS! It's why there's no "men's synchronised swimming". Or "Women's gridiron" during the SUPERBOWL.
@@darrengordon-hill That's the point. In some twisted way, wrestling is still a work. Just like that episode of South Park, the kids never cared about the fights, but the drama. Nowdays, this people worked the audience into thinking they're doing the best athletic spectacle in the world, but they are below amateur compared to Cirque Du Solei or an Olympic event.
@@RandalfElVikingo You'd name the epitome (that I've seen most of (never been inspired to watch Osprey but I'm sure I've seen him at least twice)) - Ricochet. Dude bounces around... cos he can bounce around. Then opens his mouth and buries himself. Razor Ramon/Mr Perfect vignettes still move me. Dusty promos still make me wanna "Watch the PPV this Sunday from the Charlotte Colisieum". "1001 holds" Jericho still makes me smile. Ricochet exists; SO FUCKING WHAT?? Kurt Angle is my Olympic hero; he did more than "Greco Roman wrestling moves". So many moves with long names (reverse inverted 450 dragon sault) you can't even say one before another is hit (unlike "clothesline", "headlock takedown", "leg drop" and "STUNNER").
@@verbottencheese6320 The funny thing, it was Kevin Nash, who as Head Booker of WCW in 1999 booked a episode of Nitro where the first hour featured no wrestling at all. It was just 45 minutes of promos, replays and that shitty rap video from Konnan they overplayed so much.
Look at Okada. The guy's signature is a drop kick, and his finisher is a lariat, and he wrestles the same match 80% of the time, yet he is still able to make his opponents and himself look good.
Modern Wrestling is basically Competition Cheerleading. A lot of Choreographed spots while working together with alot of flips. The only difference is, you don't have virgin neckbeard dudes chanting "This is Awesome".
tbf all kinds of people chant that. and that chant has been around for a couple of years now. as much as I dislike that chant, gotta admit that it's everywhere
My company for the second time in our history is going to film pro wrestling for local tv and social media. I said that to say this, Jim Cornette talking wrestling psychology, techniques, tv production and moves helps our approach tremendously. Thank you sir.
RAPCO media...which city or region are you gonna be out of guy? And good on you by the way...i pay attention to Jim and certain others too for if I get a chance to do something of my own...i pay attention to Ricky Morton as well. Raging Bull even...JJ Dillon certainly on some things
It would be nice if a company --- yours for example --- had the sense to do more close ups of facial expressions for television viewers, to capture emotion and psychology. "Eyes are the windows to the soul," as they say.The wrestlers probably need a heads up for something like that, but it would make them more aware of how closely they are going to be watched and their match isn't just a spot fest. Movies are full of close ups and the emotion is often what is most memorable, not the million explosions. Why shouldn't wrestling be any different? However, if you don't see anything going on upstairs, cut back to camera one. Hopefully you're working with students of history of pro wrestling that dates back to further than the last 15 years.
It comes down to one thing: everybody is so busy worrying about looking pretty and being the big face, that nobody is actually paying attention to the details.
Today’s wrestling sucks!!!! Everyone is too busy doing high flying and back-flipping moves. Not to mention everyone kicking out of finishing moves over and over again. The worst part is WWE and those pathetic scripted promos. Wrestling will never be the same
I really enjoy hearing the breakdown of spots. Wrestling matches today are often just too fast and flippy. I much prefer the old style that told the story of two guys having a struggle in the ring.
The issue is that Tessa Blanchard beat Brian Cage. So that would be like Rockin' Robin beating Hulk Hogan, and then Hogan trying to be the top guy in WWF after that.
@@Wadzillia Scott was big for like 15 years by the time he got looking like that, have to go back to his being in college and maybe the start of his pro-wrestling career to see him before the juicing, aside from steroids and who knows what else he was pumping himself up with, Synthol was rumored by the BBP days. Cage use to be a skinnier than Scott and I was going to compare him to CM Punk but he was bigger than that. Probably would've just been easier to share a picture. i.redd.it/8ozyu2chk3b21.jpg
Jason G to answer your question, yes. Brian is constantly juicing because he’s a bodybuilder in his free time. That’s why at 6 feet tall he weighs like 275 (which is WAY beyond recommended walking weight for a normal person).
Agree with Corny. Look at 90s AJPW - the big difference there vs now is that the big dangerous moves mattered, and they sold. They were excellent storytellers. Now, it's just an exhibition of moves.
True! Wrestlers look like they’re having wrestling training matches. It’s just spot to spot. On top of that it’s all super kicks, flips, and outside dives 🤦🏼♂️
If you look up any wrestling training videos from professionals. They all speak about how moves alone don't get you over, and how you gotta play with the crowd, bring emotion to the match. AEW in general can't even follow pro wrestling 101.. that's sad.
Totally agree about how modern wrestling is so so different...lack of body language...this is why fans keep calling it fake...it just doesn't feel like the two wrestlers are against each other...it used to be convincing as a fight/competition.
the closest I have seen to how wrestling used to be is on the indie scene, as far as wrestling on TV goes...it's very poor as entertainment. Also the wrestling fans are changing it's now horny guys rather than wrestling fans lol.
The Canadian Destroyer is the perfect representation of today's wrestling the guy taking the move does most of the job. What i just to love about wrestling was that a lot of the moves you could see someone trying them in a real street fight a body slam a head lock i have even seen somebody doing a suplex on a real fight but try to do a Canadian Destroyer in a real fight you are going to get your ass kick.
@Joe Greene if the other guy is strong he can easily suplex you if you try a headlock. Just search up street fight suplex and you will see alot of people trying what you described and end up in suplex city
Jeppe Martin Ulvåg headlock is a real wrestling move. I will admit most good wrestlers are able to keep their own weight back and pop their head out, but I’ve known guys who have such a mean headlock that you are gonna be taken down
I agree! Wrestling is more than just high spots and a move fest. Nowadays people dont get in ring psychology and just *BASIC FUNDAMENTALS* I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a wrestler. I can't tell these guys how to wrestler. But I am allowed to say that I miss the old school psychology and mentality of wrestling. I know his name is taboo nowadays, but go watch any match of Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho on RUclips, those guys constantly tear the house down and it legitimately looks like they are trying to win a wrestling match
To be fair, when Jericho came out and delivered several clotheslines to Adam Page and Page hopped right up to take two more, that did a disservice to the Stan Hansens of the world, who used it as their finishing maneuver. Bigger, brawnier men sold that move like they got killed. Jericho should have known better here, too. Deliver one clothesline, let Page lay there, stunned for a moment (which he should have worked out in the locker room before hand), let him stagger to his feet, deliver the second one, rinse, and repeat a third time. I've seen an actual clothesline --- as a kid in football practice. The kid who got clotheslined laid on his back, stunned for several minutes. Nowadays, moves like that look weak. Same with the piledriver.
@@firebird7479 I know that it's natural for older moves to lose their impact once they've been around enough (eg: the Piledriver and DDT were mostly used as normal moves by the mid-'90s after being used as finishers by a lot of people a few years before) but I know what you mean about the lack of selling not helping. Funnily enough I was watching WCW War Games: WCW's Most Notorious Matches earlier (specifically the match from the '87 Great American Bash tour) and there were 2 spots in rabid succession where a Face no-sold being pile-driven (first was from Road Warrior Hawk and the second was Nikita Koloff). While Koloff had only just entered the match so it would make some sense for it not to almost KO him, Hawk had been in the match for a few minutes and in both cases it made the move look like it had less impact than Dusty Rhodes elbowing someone.
@@tempestfennac9687 Probably because they were built as monsters that could take something like that. I saw a PPV from 1995 where Rey Mysterio took a pile driver and laid on the apron for 15 minutes. Looked like he was murdered.
@@firebird7479 That makes sense. It did still seem kind of strange that 2 spots like that would happen in such a short space of time in the same match (it could have been down to the person who executed the 2nd piledriver not noticing it being used on Hawk due to the nature of Wargames matches).
Pac gave Jon Moxley this AMAZING front drop kick off the top rope on wed and what does Moxley do? Rolls back,completely no sells it and clotheslines the fuck out of Pac. Idk why this bothered me SO MUCH but you just could tell Moxley was focused on getting his shit in and totally disregarded any sequence of taking the dropkick. I felt like Cornette when i was watching it.
One of the main failings of modern pro wrestling is the emphasis of using spots to elicit cheap pops rather than using spots as a story telling tool to work the audience, and at that point you don't need cheap pops when you can sway the audience to pop on command. Many contemporary workers focus on execution of moves without thinking about how a move can influence audience response and thus when and why to use or not use moves. To Corny's point about not thinking about portraying the effects of spots, that's basically what it comes down to. Everyone's just doing moves but not telling stories with the moves.
Not sure I've ever agreed with Jim more than this time. These big guys should not be doing amazing death defying dives and standing shooting stars or other bullshit like that. Doesn't make sense. Don't give a crap that Luchasaurus can do a back-flip in the middle of the ring....why do it. He's a big beast, just pummel the shit outta one of these guys. Be a monster. Having a perfectly crisp match with 9,000 spots seems to be all that the majority of wrestlers care about today. I'm gonna go watch Austin vs. Steamboat now that I'm worked up. Bye.
Former wrestler here --- trained by Moolah, Jimmy Kent, Les Morgan (former WWWF hand, trained by Buddy Rogers). Everything Jim is saying here is true. If more of today's wrestlers listened to this and applied to it instead of being part of the "Okay, Boomer" trend, there'd be less complaining about Jim's complaining because there'd be less of that, too.
I have to admit Moolah came across as the only woman wrestler that you should be fearful of man or woman. If someone messed up her match I could imagine her finding them backstage with an icepick in hand.
This is what ive been saying in the comments all along, there are no moments or expressions on there faces. Or selling the all the strikes that hit throughput the match. Their like robots just trying so hard to remember what they ALL talked about not backstage but before the show after the ring crew was done they went through the entire match there in the ring, show starts they turn into robtos trying to remember what they rehearsed before the show.
When there is no good and no evil in the wrestling world, then there is no evil person to vanquish. So wrestlers just do acrobatics for fun out there on the mat. Nobody is cheering for anyone to win, the wrestlers just take turns being champion. What’s the referee for ? There are no illegal moves. Everybody uses closed fist punches, nobody breaks on the count. It’s just acrobatics.
@ Where is the next Jimmy Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton etc? Aside from graphical improvements, what are the most innovative titles released within the past few years?
@ You made it a point to quote "modern guitar" in your reply. It's not like it's a huge thread. You could have simply made your point about video games and moved on. The best examples you provided are an RPG and Red Dead 2 (a sequel). Impressive! I'm naive because I point out the sheer lack of originality in video games? Learn how to debate by defending your position instead of getting triggered and acting like an objectionable woman.
@ LOL! Reread your comments. Your initial reply was hostile. Then you resorted to name calling and making baseless assumptions. You weren't talking about music, fine I'll concede that one. However, It doesn't detract from the overall point that there is very little in the way of innovation whether it be wrestling, music, movies, video games or any other form of entertainment. Neither of us are going to convince the other. Agree to disagree or fuck off.
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@@standalone8673 It isn't hostile, I asked whether you could read, it's not hard. There's constant innovation, it's just that you're ignorant of it. You really do have reading issues, where exactly was the name-calling? Take your own advice then and F off.
Jim’s gonna be conflicted when he sees him. On the one hand, he’s an athletic steroid monster who looks like he can believably beat the piss outta someone. On the other hand, he’s an Indy doofus who does five hundred convoluted moves a match and can’t do proper storytelling without an agent.
jim cornette has such a great point here. as a wrestling fan; I get that it's a dance. However, it should not LOOK like a dance. I want to watch a wrestling match and get lost in that match. I want to believe its real while I'm watching it. These days, everything is too choreographed.
You ask Cornette about what he thinks about a wrestler and he gives you a full on wrestling philosophy lesson. That's the wrestling equivalent of getting an onion ring in your order of fries.
I really really enjoy high flyers as Samy guevara, Ricochet and my favourite Will Ospreay, theyre amazing, but yeah, things kinda get corny like move fests and crazy gymnastics all the time. I miss the heat build up, the struggle to wear down the opponent, the technicality, a wrestling match? lol. also to reserve the "big" moves to the end or at special spots.
I love the old school I just turned 40 last year in October Jim cornetteyou explain all those moves and things was going on I was about to start cheering on a match that wasn't even going on that's professional wrestling
Dude I love Kenny Omega but we ALL owe Cornette so much in terms of being one of the greatest minds of the business. Theres a lot of shit hes RIGHT about.
When I watch old matches from the 70s and 80s, I see exactly what Jim is talking about. Even the jobbers were more believable. Today, it's like a prerequisite to break into the business is having a gymnastics and / or springboard diving background. Ricochet seems to have both.
I had this idea a while ago. Take two rookies (because let's get them before they have learned a lot of bad habits), put them in a ring. Pick a face, pick a heel. One guy has one move-headlock. The other has one move-wristlock. That's the only move each guy can do. Ring the bell, tell them to give you five minutes of action. I want to know who is the heel and who is the face just from ring work. I want you to look like you're trying to kill each other. After five minutes I call out who wins the match. Go to the finish. Reverse the roles, do it again. Afterwards, tell me WHY you did what you were doing. Why did you think it was a good idea? What were you trying to tell the crowd? Send them to run the stairs.
For the only message I can send to the Great Jim Cornette.....Please write the book on Pro Wrestling vs Sports Entertainment. The industry today, as is seen, its pretty much an open secret. Im sorry to say that, but its true. Should JC wish to write such a book, Id happily buy it. I'll tell you this, wrestling matches should look more like WM3 Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage, and, WM13 Bret Hitman Hart vs Stonecold Steve Austin. Matches would drastically improve if you follow that formula.
The wrestlers are playing wrestlers that's the problem. Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Bruno etc... weren't pretending. The Horseman were real, they ran together, they were buds, it wasn't pretend. Today's wrestling is a parody. Nobody takes it seriously, it's a circus, nothing more than that.
Modern wrasstling needs a guy like ultimate warrior or stone cold, a guy above everyone, almost unbeatable, a guy that will make you say “holy shit!” “Hells about to break loose!!”
I agree on Jim's take here but disagree with his take on Kenny....who actually has great storytelling, emotions, body language and sense in his matches kinda like Bret hart.
Today's wrestling has become more of a gymnastics competition. With the exception of Bray Wyatt, there is hardly anybody worth watching. AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE WWE.
@Javier Melendez MJF is the thing AEW needs to push. They need to get the Young Cucks and the Coochie Sisters off my TV as well as Olivier and The Best Friends. They need to get rid of all the video game shit. NWA Power is much better than AEW
@Javier Melendez I'd bring Aldis as well as Eli Drake, James Storm, Wild Cards, Aron Stevens, Ricky Starks, Trevor Murdoch, and Mr. Anderson to AEW along with the rest of the Dynasty and Davey Boy Smith Jr. from MLW as well
@@draganlojanicich2604 I remember Kevin Nash mentioning that one major reason why steroids are a problem for wrestlers is that they often end up eating a load of high cholesterol food because they often don't have time to do anything more than grab fast food, so depending on his schedule that could end up being an issue.
@@TokyoAfterlife people who drink and smoke are the real weaklings. They try to be cool by doing things that everyone else do and label those people as "nerds" who make them realize how pathetic their life is.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched wrestling a few weeks back. This flippy twisting crap most of the time misses so far away that it looks like a cartoon and the receiving guy stands there waiting on it for 4 or 5 seconds so he can try to break the jumping flea's momentum. I would love to watch70's, 80's and 90's style of wrestling any day of the week compared to this jumping flea circus it has evolved into.
There's no psychology, no selling. Too many flips and spots, as other commenters have said it's like gymnastics, only worse. One of the best matches I ever watched was Angle vs Benoit, two incredible TECHNICAL wrestlers, which the industry now is severely lacking.
Wrestlers today basically all look the same. And in the WWE, they're trained in the same place. They're given a character to play, told what to say.....there's no room for individuality. And every match has to have every high impact move that BOTH wrestlers know, which means countless kick-outs. Frenetic and choreographed action, has replaced deliberate and believable story-telling.
You're wrong about some of what you said. You don't see guys kicking out of finishes multiple times every single week. Not all of their wrestlers look the same either. A lot of the criticisms against WWE in terms of psychology and making things believable are made by people who don't watch it. I watch a lot of what they put out every week and it is FULL of guys and girls working over body parts and selling said body parts. They do not have the gymnastic routines you see on AEW on a weekly basis.
@@UnexpectedWonder It's true lol They literally have wrestlers of all different shapes and sizes from different countries all over the world using different styles and people still say they've got the "same old thing" every week on every show. WWE is basically a buffet now. Whatever you're into - they've got it. If you're a casual fan, RAW and Smackdown are for you. If you're a die hard "smart mark", NXT is for you. Want cruiserweights? They've got 205 Live. Want British strong style wrestling? They have that too. lol It's popular to bash on WWE, but they are really trying to give something for all types of fans. All of it may not be to someone's liking, but you're not supposed to go to the buffet and eat everything. You're only supposed to pick out what you want.
@@al5306 I've been sayin' that this is the Best Era of Pro Wrestling in regards to Skill, especially if you're lookin' @ the WWE. I've said since No Mercy 2017 that it's the Attitude Era 2.0.
@@UnexpectedWonder VERY good point! No Mercy 2017 is very underrated. You can see the shift in the company's overall focus around that point. There's a LOT of good stuff they're putting out. The Lashley / Lana thing isn't great lol but damn, there's good wrestling everywhere else.
I’m thankful that I was a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s. We had some brilliant periods of wrestling in these two decades and when wrestling really began to take off in the U.K. Its a whole new ball game and not quite the same but that could be because I’m getting old.
Well said. I don't mind a well choreographed exciting match but look at the difference between a Young Bucks match vs a Mysterio/Andradae match. One is believable while the other looks like its been rehearsed for months. When a match is that well rehearsed, what do you do in case of an injury or something where the planned moves have to change?
At 10:46 Jim actually took me aside and corrected me on that bad habit. I was working with ROH at the time working in ring with Eddie Edwards in Buffalo NY. At the time I took the advice but in my head I was defensive and perturbed. I was young and stupid lol he was totally right and now when I scold young wrestlers for that same deal I think of Jim hahah
No matter what the new guys are not bigger than life. Muscles do not make a wrestler. Harley race had a beer gut but he was believable. Bill dundee was small but he was truly a supetstar. Those guys new what it took to be an icon. They did not practice it. They just were it.
I'd love to see somebody work old school with great fundamentals and pacing and no flippy shit and get over. He'd be unique to anybody else in wrestling right now. And for goodness sake throw a proper worked punch. That's seems to be a lost art except among the old timers.
im always saddened by that. wrestlers arent trained properly. every guy who cant make it open a wrestling school and never teach selling. they learn to take bumps and be a competitive-cheerleader in the ring, but they never learn to actually wrestle. they never learn to make stuff look real.
People who crap on modern wrestling cause it's more fake are somehow more forgiving to the old wrestling, undertaker walking the ropes, Ric Flair's drop, Sting or Hogan's no selling, Rey Mysterio's entire career, moves like the piledriver and some wrestling trops that are ridiculous like fireballs or doesn't make sense like the leaning forward after an Irish whip. People seem more forgiving to the stuff they grew up with or are familiar with even if objectively it doesn't make sense cause they grow to accept it and thus their brain suppress it but when confronted with something new like an Ospreay Ricochet match or moves like escaleras or canadian destroyers, they'll yell that it looks fake even though it's objectively more realistic than some stuff in the 80s or 90s. What is more realistic, a superkick or an elbow with theatrics And most importantly, who cares as long as there's people who like it
90 percent of the time he's in another plane of existence, but he has a point with something...clothesline and ducking them. The wrestlers in WWE in particular, purposely throw clotheslines way high and it shows no matter what camera angle you focus on. I don't know how he did it, but Bradshaw's clotheslines back in the day looked absolutely real. He had it figured out, and I'm pretty sure wrestlers were usually fine after...
I think flips should only be used sparingly like as a finisher or whatever. I think a prime example of that is Eddie Guerrero. he had his finisher move as a frogsplash and of course the huricarana he *sometimes* did, but otherwise he was a very technical wrestler, not so much that as Chris Benoit of course, but they knew only doing just flippy shit wasn't good storytelling nor did it make for a good match
@Brandi lord You damn well know he knows how many appearances he can make before he has to piss in a cup. Part-time exception bullshit which allows the old-timers to get juices up to make their annual appearance *coughcough* Hunter
I can understand where Corny is coming from but people today have short attention spans, it's like with movies people like less talking and more action and explosions. I remember i tried showing friends some old matches and they just got bored fast, people today just don't want to see matches like days of old, look at the YT views for the Rusev Lana bullshit, people just prefer garbage like that.
@Joe Greene Not to mention the scores of people who went apesh!t over the last few seasons of GOT where they ran out of books. Those folks noticed the quality of the show go down b/c of the lack of attention to details almost right away. Then more caught on as it got worse; even I noticed as a casual viewer. Sure millions still watched the last season, but it's good they cut it off when they did b/c with enough time, they'd have damaged all the trust they'd built up with their viewers. Hmm.. now doesn't that sound familiar.
The first statement/ question didn't age well.. "Brian Cage is what Luger would have been if he lived up to his push." Whoever asked that question probably hates what Jim says about Cage these days.
It's been hard for wrestling to evolve because all the secrets are out and the crowd can't be fooled coz we know what a real fight looks like after the MMA explosion,I still watch pro wrestling and still love the art but the era of tricking ppl to make them believe a tall blonde man full of water and steroids is the moSt dangerous man on earth is long gone.
Overall I get what hes saying. The performance of the moves are more important than making it believable now days. Its become 100% dance. Even the selling of some moves look like a 5 year old pretending to be hurt.
I do the same thing Jim does every second," what was the question" my add is so bad I go off on these tangines from being artistic and passionate about my work we can't focus because Jim is so involved and we care about the littlest details about what we love to do . Very educational video 👍
What Jim seems to be talking about (not being presumptuous is the psychology of wrestling; the telling of a story. Everyone now is trying to look good for the cameras because its all about the 'writing' like its a sitcom.
If a crusiweight wrestler ate marko stunt then you'd get brian cage loool nah but cage is very good very athletic but I think he should be smaller in weight then what he is now. I think if he was about 230 he'd be even more impressive and have alot more enegery to what he already has and still look like a real wrestler. But he's got that jacked look that people like to have in there company's. In Aew he could be pushed as a monster
He’s right. A lot of wrestlers need to add some emotion into their matches.
Indeed, in-ring psychology. How to sell, how you seem not to get over the injury you have, how to show how the battle is exhausting, how you tediously kick out after abuse, play out the crowd... You know, actual things drawing a dime, actual in-ring storytelling. Not indy flippity flips shit making action look like a cirque du soleil number.
@EAT THIS YOU GRAVY SUCKING DOG
It is true to say that wrestling is the gayest sport. In Classical Greece, pops used to watch naked wrestling and even hooked up with the athletes. The right course of action is then to tone the gay down by turning modern pro wrestling into a soap opera for males, full of ridiculously badass arguments, cartoonish action shown in vignettes, larger than life storylines and such...
Current formats have too much focus on in-ring performance. They try to pass it off as legit sport competition. It is ludicrous! Everyone besides smarks is perfectly aware that pro-wrestling is predetermined. You produce a good pro wrestling program as if it's a TV series, not an alternative to UFC!
@EAT THIS YOU GRAVY SUCKING DOG That's like the only good thing left in wrestling.
As an aspiring wrestler, I listen carefully to Jim's advice.
Personally I want to do a technical style similar to Dean Malenko, and have a focus also on Ring psychology, selling, emotion, etc Hopefully one day I can be good.
Modern Wrestling is more like gymnastics these days. Old school wrestling used to be focused more on hard slams and striking
Leverage, power, joint manipulation.
Strategic and deliberate.
Impactful and meaningful.
Gymnastics is a real sport and if you watch at least one showcase you will notice even the amateurs have more impressive moves than Will Osprey and Ricochet combined.
@@RandalfElVikingo FOR GIRLS!!!
Males doing the pummel horse generate little interest.
Teenage girls on the beam/floor; RATINGS!
It's why there's no "men's synchronised swimming".
Or "Women's gridiron" during the SUPERBOWL.
@@darrengordon-hill That's the point.
In some twisted way, wrestling is still a work. Just like that episode of South Park, the kids never cared about the fights, but the drama. Nowdays, this people worked the audience into thinking they're doing the best athletic spectacle in the world, but they are below amateur compared to Cirque Du Solei or an Olympic event.
@@RandalfElVikingo
You'd name the epitome (that I've seen most of (never been inspired to watch Osprey but I'm sure I've seen him at least twice)) - Ricochet.
Dude bounces around... cos he can bounce around.
Then opens his mouth and buries himself.
Razor Ramon/Mr Perfect vignettes still move me.
Dusty promos still make me wanna "Watch the PPV this Sunday from the Charlotte Colisieum".
"1001 holds" Jericho still makes me smile.
Ricochet exists; SO FUCKING WHAT??
Kurt Angle is my Olympic hero; he did more than "Greco Roman wrestling moves".
So many moves with long names (reverse inverted 450 dragon sault) you can't even say one before another is hit (unlike "clothesline", "headlock takedown", "leg drop" and "STUNNER").
"Just start the f'n show with a match" - Kevin Nash
Like him or not, Nash does have a pretty good sense of things. And frankly he's right on that. Get a match going and get the people hype.
@@verbottencheese6320 very true
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@@verbottencheese6320 The funny thing, it was Kevin Nash, who as Head Booker of WCW in 1999 booked a episode of Nitro where the first hour featured no wrestling at all. It was just 45 minutes of promos, replays and that shitty rap video from Konnan they overplayed so much.
@@melaniel.4269 Konnan blows and always sucked.
Look at Okada. The guy's signature is a drop kick, and his finisher is a lariat, and he wrestles the same match 80% of the time, yet he is still able to make his opponents and himself look good.
Modern Wrestling is basically Competition Cheerleading. A lot of Choreographed spots while working together with alot of flips. The only difference is, you don't have virgin neckbeard dudes chanting "This is Awesome".
SPIRIT SQUAD COMEBACK
tbf all kinds of people chant that. and that chant has been around for a couple of years now. as much as I dislike that chant, gotta admit that it's everywhere
That is the best way to describe modern wrestling I’ve ever heard
@@frankunodostres473 i never heard a this is awesome chant at a nba game or when i am at a ballpark. only mark wrestling shows.
@@universe-ie2mk of course. I thought we were talking wrestling. But at all kinds of wrestling shows you hear those chants
My company for the second time in our history is going to film pro wrestling for local tv and social media. I said that to say this, Jim Cornette talking wrestling psychology, techniques, tv production and moves helps our approach tremendously. Thank you sir.
Sounds like fun! When are you going to broadcast?
RandalfElVikingo the first broadcast will be in March.
RAPCO media...which city or region are you gonna be out of guy? And good on you by the way...i pay attention to Jim and certain others too for if I get a chance to do something of my own...i pay attention to Ricky Morton as well. Raging Bull even...JJ Dillon certainly on some things
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It would be nice if a company --- yours for example --- had the sense to do more close ups of facial expressions for television viewers, to capture emotion and psychology. "Eyes are the windows to the soul," as they say.The wrestlers probably need a heads up for something like that, but it would make them more aware of how closely they are going to be watched and their match isn't just a spot fest. Movies are full of close ups and the emotion is often what is most memorable, not the million explosions. Why shouldn't wrestling be any different? However, if you don't see anything going on upstairs, cut back to camera one. Hopefully you're working with students of history of pro wrestling that dates back to further than the last 15 years.
I always learn so much from cornette. A wrestling legend
Me too
Your right.would love to spend an hour with him just to listen and learn,maybe one day 🤞🎾🎾🎾🎾
Word up
It comes down to one thing: everybody is so busy worrying about looking pretty and being the big face, that nobody is actually paying attention to the details.
This Jim guy should have a job in wrestling or something.
He's worked for wwe wcw tna and a bunch of other companies sense the 80s
@@bopierson3710 he was kidding
@@bopierson3710
The joke
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Bo Pierson woosh
Today’s wrestling sucks!!!! Everyone is too busy doing high flying and back-flipping moves. Not to mention everyone kicking out of finishing moves over and over again. The worst part is WWE and those pathetic scripted promos. Wrestling will never be the same
Try telling that to the Meltzer fanboys. They won't listen. It's people like them that made wrestling what it is now.
The no selling anything gets me. AEWs first telivised match had 47 finishers that ended in a small package absolutely pathetic.
@Javier Melendez They should watch Brock sell for Daniel Bryan to see how it's done.
Javier Melendez , exactly!!!
That’s why I switched to NJPW, OTT, Riptide and Progress. Just great wrestling with actually interesting storylines and wrestlers.
I really enjoy hearing the breakdown of spots.
Wrestling matches today are often just too fast and flippy. I much prefer the old style that told the story of two guys having a struggle in the ring.
Yeah I loved that too even if I was a fan of wrestling right before the attitude era took off.
Today’s wrestling matches are merely circus spot fests with little to no selling or storytelling involved whatsoever!
The issue is that Tessa Blanchard beat Brian Cage. So that would be like Rockin' Robin beating Hulk Hogan, and then Hogan trying to be the top guy in WWF after that.
Tessa beat Brian Cage?? pls tell me your joking
@@murrlandmac6340 nope he not
@@murrlandmac6340 She is now the IMPACT world champion, and no this isnt a joke
pspower You make a compelling statement of fact there, haha!😂
You'd think so... but it's all a work, and was TNA (aka nobody that matters saw it).
Brian Cage is on so much gas that he should call himself Exxon Mobil.
Is as bad as Scott Steiner late 90s?
@@Wadzillia Scott was big for like 15 years by the time he got looking like that, have to go back to his being in college and maybe the start of his pro-wrestling career to see him before the juicing, aside from steroids and who knows what else he was pumping himself up with, Synthol was rumored by the BBP days. Cage use to be a skinnier than Scott and I was going to compare him to CM Punk but he was bigger than that. Probably would've just been easier to share a picture.
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Jason G to answer your question, yes. Brian is constantly juicing because he’s a bodybuilder in his free time. That’s why at 6 feet tall he weighs like 275 (which is WAY beyond recommended walking weight for a normal person).
Guy is a beast, looking insanely huge and yet still is defeated by a woman.
@@Nepthu ..."paid to lose" SJW horsesheit....
Agree with Corny. Look at 90s AJPW - the big difference there vs now is that the big dangerous moves mattered, and they sold. They were excellent storytellers. Now, it's just an exhibition of moves.
True! Wrestlers look like they’re having wrestling training matches. It’s just spot to spot. On top of that it’s all super kicks, flips, and outside dives 🤦🏼♂️
If you look up any wrestling training videos from professionals. They all speak about how moves alone don't get you over, and how you gotta play with the crowd, bring emotion to the match. AEW in general can't even follow pro wrestling 101.. that's sad.
That's what happens when people like Kenny Omega are in charge of things.
"what was the question?"
We were talking about Brian Cage
"We lost him a long time ago"
Lol, classic Corny rant
Again this is why HBK WAS THE BEST...he would take damage and not go right into a move...micheals knew how to control the pace
Psychology 101
Totally agree about how modern wrestling is so so different...lack of body language...this is why fans keep calling it fake...it just doesn't feel like the two wrestlers are against each other...it used to be convincing as a fight/competition.
the closest I have seen to how wrestling used to be is on the indie scene, as far as wrestling on TV goes...it's very poor as entertainment. Also the wrestling fans are changing it's now horny guys rather than wrestling fans lol.
The Canadian Destroyer is the perfect representation of today's wrestling the guy taking the move does most of the job. What i just to love about wrestling was that a lot of the moves you could see someone trying them in a real street fight a body slam a head lock i have even seen somebody doing a suplex on a real fight but try to do a Canadian Destroyer in a real fight you are going to get your ass kick.
EXACTLY!
Clothesline, leg trip, arm/joint manipulation.
NOT "deliberate fake clothesline so I can backflip".
Head lock is useless in a real fight. You are gonna get back suplexed if you ever try it
@Joe Greene if the other guy is strong he can easily suplex you if you try a headlock. Just search up street fight suplex and you will see alot of people trying what you described and end up in suplex city
@@smexyboii not necessarily
Jeppe Martin Ulvåg headlock is a real wrestling move. I will admit most good wrestlers are able to keep their own weight back and pop their head out, but I’ve known guys who have such a mean headlock that you are gonna be taken down
I agree! Wrestling is more than just high spots and a move fest. Nowadays people dont get in ring psychology and just *BASIC FUNDAMENTALS*
I'll be the first to admit, I'm not a wrestler. I can't tell these guys how to wrestler. But I am allowed to say that I miss the old school psychology and mentality of wrestling. I know his name is taboo nowadays, but go watch any match of Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho on RUclips, those guys constantly tear the house down and it legitimately looks like they are trying to win a wrestling match
To be fair, when Jericho came out and delivered several clotheslines to Adam Page and Page hopped right up to take two more, that did a disservice to the Stan Hansens of the world, who used it as their finishing maneuver. Bigger, brawnier men sold that move like they got killed. Jericho should have known better here, too. Deliver one clothesline, let Page lay there, stunned for a moment (which he should have worked out in the locker room before hand), let him stagger to his feet, deliver the second one, rinse, and repeat a third time.
I've seen an actual clothesline --- as a kid in football practice. The kid who got clotheslined laid on his back, stunned for several minutes. Nowadays, moves like that look weak. Same with the piledriver.
@@firebird7479 I know that it's natural for older moves to lose their impact once they've been around enough (eg: the Piledriver and DDT were mostly used as normal moves by the mid-'90s after being used as finishers by a lot of people a few years before) but I know what you mean about the lack of selling not helping. Funnily enough I was watching WCW War Games: WCW's Most Notorious Matches earlier (specifically the match from the '87 Great American Bash tour) and there were 2 spots in rabid succession where a Face no-sold being pile-driven (first was from Road Warrior Hawk and the second was Nikita Koloff). While Koloff had only just entered the match so it would make some sense for it not to almost KO him, Hawk had been in the match for a few minutes and in both cases it made the move look like it had less impact than Dusty Rhodes elbowing someone.
@@tempestfennac9687 Probably because they were built as monsters that could take something like that. I saw a PPV from 1995 where Rey Mysterio took a pile driver and laid on the apron for 15 minutes. Looked like he was murdered.
@@firebird7479 That makes sense. It did still seem kind of strange that 2 spots like that would happen in such a short space of time in the same match (it could have been down to the person who executed the 2nd piledriver not noticing it being used on Hawk due to the nature of Wargames matches).
@EAT THIS YOU GRAVY SUCKING DOG ong lol wtf I agree
Pac gave Jon Moxley this AMAZING front drop kick off the top rope on wed and what does Moxley do? Rolls back,completely no sells it and clotheslines the fuck out of Pac. Idk why this bothered me SO MUCH but you just could tell Moxley was focused on getting his shit in and totally disregarded any sequence of taking the dropkick. I felt like Cornette when i was watching it.
yeah cage dude aint passing a visual drug test administered by Stevie Wonder & Ray Charles
One of the main failings of modern pro wrestling is the emphasis of using spots to elicit cheap pops rather than using spots as a story telling tool to work the audience, and at that point you don't need cheap pops when you can sway the audience to pop on command.
Many contemporary workers focus on execution of moves without thinking about how a move can influence audience response and thus when and why to use or not use moves.
To Corny's point about not thinking about portraying the effects of spots, that's basically what it comes down to. Everyone's just doing moves but not telling stories with the moves.
Brian Cage lost a competitive match to Tessa Blanchard I will never take him seriously as a wrestler. I’m sorry I just can’t,
I felt the same way. That match made him look weak. It was supposed to empower her, but it made fans lose respect for him.
It’s fake
Not sure I've ever agreed with Jim more than this time. These big guys should not be doing amazing death defying dives and standing shooting stars or other bullshit like that. Doesn't make sense. Don't give a crap that Luchasaurus can do a back-flip in the middle of the ring....why do it. He's a big beast, just pummel the shit outta one of these guys. Be a monster.
Having a perfectly crisp match with 9,000 spots seems to be all that the majority of wrestlers care about today. I'm gonna go watch Austin vs. Steamboat now that I'm worked up. Bye.
“Ah, we lost him a long time ago “ 😂
Former wrestler here --- trained by Moolah, Jimmy Kent, Les Morgan (former WWWF hand, trained by Buddy Rogers). Everything Jim is saying here is true. If more of today's wrestlers listened to this and applied to it instead of being part of the "Okay, Boomer" trend, there'd be less complaining about Jim's complaining because there'd be less of that, too.
I have to admit Moolah came across as the only woman wrestler that you should be fearful of man or woman. If someone messed up her match I could imagine her finding them backstage with an icepick in hand.
That is so awesome, would you mind sharing what gimmick or promotion you wrestled under?
@@ladistar Sure:
ruclips.net/video/2BCuYmHgtgk/видео.html
This is what ive been saying in the comments all along, there are no moments or expressions on there faces. Or selling the all the strikes that hit throughput the match. Their like robots just trying so hard to remember what they ALL talked about not backstage but before the show after the ring crew was done they went through the entire match there in the ring, show starts they turn into robtos trying to remember what they rehearsed before the show.
When there is no good and no evil in the wrestling world, then there is no evil person to vanquish. So wrestlers just do acrobatics for fun out there on the mat. Nobody is cheering for anyone to win, the wrestlers just take turns being champion. What’s the referee for ? There are no illegal moves. Everybody uses closed fist punches, nobody breaks on the count. It’s just acrobatics.
modern wrestling is like modern guitar or video games, kids learning patterns and technique, but not improvisation or soul.
@ Where is the next Jimmy Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton etc?
Aside from graphical improvements, what are the most innovative titles released within the past few years?
@ You made it a point to quote "modern guitar" in your reply. It's not like it's a huge thread. You could have simply made your point about video games and moved on.
The best examples you provided are an RPG and Red Dead 2 (a sequel). Impressive! I'm naive because I point out the sheer lack of originality in video games? Learn how to debate by defending your position instead of getting triggered and acting like an objectionable woman.
@ LOL! Reread your comments. Your initial reply was hostile. Then you resorted to name calling and making baseless assumptions. You weren't talking about music, fine I'll concede that one. However, It doesn't detract from the overall point that there is very little in the way of innovation whether it be wrestling, music, movies, video games or any other form of entertainment. Neither of us are going to convince the other. Agree to disagree or fuck off.
@@standalone8673 It isn't hostile, I asked whether you could read, it's not hard.
There's constant innovation, it's just that you're ignorant of it.
You really do have reading issues, where exactly was the name-calling?
Take your own advice then and F off.
"Like Luger if he lived up to his push"
What kind of dumb "s"mark statement is that?? How many major ppvs has Brian Cage ever main evented???
To be fair Luger was really just all show.
I'm pretty sure Jim wouldn't be a Brian Cage fan haha.
Here lost to Tessa blanchard. So that's a 100% definite
Jim’s gonna be conflicted when he sees him.
On the one hand, he’s an athletic steroid monster who looks like he can believably beat the piss outta someone. On the other hand, he’s an Indy doofus who does five hundred convoluted moves a match and can’t do proper storytelling without an agent.
jim cornette has such a great point here. as a wrestling fan; I get that it's a dance. However, it should not LOOK like a dance. I want to watch a wrestling match and get lost in that match. I want to believe its real while I'm watching it. These days, everything is too choreographed.
You ask Cornette about what he thinks about a wrestler and he gives you a full on wrestling philosophy lesson. That's the wrestling equivalent of getting an onion ring in your order of fries.
I really really enjoy high flyers as Samy guevara, Ricochet and my favourite Will Ospreay, theyre amazing, but yeah, things kinda get corny like move fests and crazy gymnastics all the time. I miss the heat build up, the struggle to wear down the opponent, the technicality, a wrestling match? lol. also to reserve the "big" moves to the end or at special spots.
I love the old school I just turned 40 last year in October Jim cornetteyou explain all those moves and things was going on I was about to start cheering on a match that wasn't even going on that's professional wrestling
Dude I love Kenny Omega but we ALL owe Cornette so much in terms of being one of the greatest minds of the business. Theres a lot of shit hes RIGHT about.
In wrestling 6 feet = 5'10
True
He get a lot of flack for his old school mentality and ideals but his basics of transitional wrestling and body language is spot on.
I really enjoy watching Nick Aldis and MJF both dress with class, they look and talk great and they both know how to professionally wrestle.
I met Brian Cage & was surprised he was as short as he was. He’s no taller than 5’10. I feel like I towered over him & I’m only 6’5
I met Daivari and he was really short. I'm 6 feet tall and he was maybe 5'6 Super jacked tho.
What in the sam heck does any of this have to do with Brian Cage???
True lol
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
When I watch old matches from the 70s and 80s, I see exactly what Jim is talking about. Even the jobbers were more believable. Today, it's like a prerequisite to break into the business is having a gymnastics and / or springboard diving background. Ricochet seems to have both.
Imagine jobbing to a woman Lmao
Cole S Jeff Jarrette v Chyna for the IC belt.
And that job paid REAL well
And Charlotte Flair wrestles girls all the time and that dude is trans
@@ThePhantomCreature China was 5'10 and Jarrett was a chickenshit 6 foot tall heel, it was believable.
Philip Rowden the only time Chyna was believable in the ring was when she fought Joey Buttafuco.
lol i have wrested & beaten a lot of boys & made them humble. that's better than "pros" jobbing loll
How many super kicks do we need in wrestling
473
Lol Fan saying Brian Cage is a good wrestler because he is athletic tells you what is wrong about wrestling.
I had this idea a while ago. Take two rookies (because let's get them before they have learned a lot of bad habits), put them in a ring. Pick a face, pick a heel. One guy has one move-headlock. The other has one move-wristlock. That's the only move each guy can do. Ring the bell, tell them to give you five minutes of action. I want to know who is the heel and who is the face just from ring work. I want you to look like you're trying to kill each other. After five minutes I call out who wins the match. Go to the finish. Reverse the roles, do it again. Afterwards, tell me WHY you did what you were doing. Why did you think it was a good idea? What were you trying to tell the crowd? Send them to run the stairs.
For the only message I can send to the Great Jim Cornette.....Please write the book on Pro Wrestling vs Sports Entertainment. The industry today, as is seen, its pretty much an open secret. Im sorry to say that, but its true. Should JC wish to write such a book, Id happily buy it. I'll tell you this, wrestling matches should look more like WM3 Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage, and, WM13 Bret Hitman Hart vs Stonecold Steve Austin. Matches would drastically improve if you follow that formula.
He’s right. Especially since UFC showed what a real combat looks like.
The wrestlers are playing wrestlers that's the problem. Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Bruno etc... weren't pretending. The Horseman were real, they ran together, they were buds, it wasn't pretend. Today's wrestling is a parody. Nobody takes it seriously, it's a circus, nothing more than that.
I like how he politely said,that Cage is "bigger than he should be."
Look at HHH,bulked up pretty damn quick,wasn't that size at beginning of his career.
@NO ID He's on what I like to call "Steiner Vitamins."
The Flinstone vitamins. Make ya big n strong!
me: "Except where it counts"
Good one gravydog. It's all gravy from here on in brotherman!
Modern wrasstling needs a guy like ultimate warrior or stone cold, a guy above everyone, almost unbeatable, a guy that will make you say “holy shit!” “Hells about to break loose!!”
I agree on Jim's take here but disagree with his take on Kenny....who actually has great storytelling, emotions, body language and sense in his matches kinda like Bret hart.
Today's wrestling has become more of a gymnastics competition. With the exception of Bray Wyatt, there is hardly anybody worth watching. AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE WWE.
Bray Wyatt has been the best thing going in wrestling for the last few years. I wish WWE would stop trying to screw him over
@Javier Melendez I agree. I watch AEW only because there's wrestlers I'm familiar with.
@Javier Melendez MJF is the thing AEW needs to push. They need to get the Young Cucks and the Coochie Sisters off my TV as well as Olivier and The Best Friends. They need to get rid of all the video game shit. NWA Power is much better than AEW
@Javier Melendez I'd bring Aldis as well as Eli Drake, James Storm, Wild Cards, Aron Stevens, Ricky Starks, Trevor Murdoch, and Mr. Anderson to AEW along with the rest of the Dynasty and Davey Boy Smith Jr. from MLW as well
@@insightworld422 he's one of their world champions
Cage has that steroid look where I think to myself he may not live long
@@draganlojanicich2604 I remember Kevin Nash mentioning that one major reason why steroids are a problem for wrestlers is that they often end up eating a load of high cholesterol food because they often don't have time to do anything more than grab fast food, so depending on his schedule that could end up being an issue.
None of these new guys have a cool wrestling persona, someone you would want to hang with the like leader of the Nation Rock.
Or HBK DX etc..
Boardgame cool!
D&D larpers
Lol I don’t wanna hang with Shawn Michaels
@@ZBR_ProXP
THROWN OFF THE PARTYBOAT INTO THE SEA!!!
@@TokyoAfterlife people who drink and smoke are the real weaklings. They try to be cool by doing things that everyone else do and label those people as "nerds" who make them realize how pathetic their life is.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched wrestling a few weeks back. This flippy twisting crap most of the time misses so far away that it looks like a cartoon and the receiving guy stands there waiting on it for 4 or 5 seconds so he can try to break the jumping flea's momentum. I would love to watch70's, 80's and 90's style of wrestling any day of the week compared to this jumping flea circus it has evolved into.
There's no psychology, no selling. Too many flips and spots, as other commenters have said it's like gymnastics, only worse. One of the best matches I ever watched was Angle vs Benoit, two incredible TECHNICAL wrestlers, which the industry now is severely lacking.
Brian Cage is that good athletic & tough...the right push heel or babyface would be the money either way.
Jim is so fucking right he nailed it. Go look at a rock match he was great at that
Jim Cornette has such a great mind for pro wrestling. I wish these new kids would sit under that learning tree.
I can almost certainly guarantee you a good number of them do. His influence is undeniable, whatever you think of the man.
I guess Cornette simply told that it's not about what Cage does, it's about how he looks while doing it.
Wrestlers today basically all look the same. And in the WWE, they're trained in the same place. They're given a character to play, told what to say.....there's no room for individuality. And every match has to have every high impact move that BOTH wrestlers know, which means countless kick-outs. Frenetic and choreographed action, has replaced deliberate and believable story-telling.
You're wrong about some of what you said. You don't see guys kicking out of finishes multiple times every single week. Not all of their wrestlers look the same either. A lot of the criticisms against WWE in terms of psychology and making things believable are made by people who don't watch it. I watch a lot of what they put out every week and it is FULL of guys and girls working over body parts and selling said body parts. They do not have the gymnastic routines you see on AEW on a weekly basis.
@@al5306 Really though!
@@UnexpectedWonder It's true lol They literally have wrestlers of all different shapes and sizes from different countries all over the world using different styles and people still say they've got the "same old thing" every week on every show. WWE is basically a buffet now. Whatever you're into - they've got it. If you're a casual fan, RAW and Smackdown are for you. If you're a die hard "smart mark", NXT is for you. Want cruiserweights? They've got 205 Live. Want British strong style wrestling? They have that too. lol
It's popular to bash on WWE, but they are really trying to give something for all types of fans. All of it may not be to someone's liking, but you're not supposed to go to the buffet and eat everything. You're only supposed to pick out what you want.
@@al5306 I've been sayin' that this is the Best Era of Pro Wrestling in regards to Skill, especially if you're lookin' @ the WWE. I've said since No Mercy 2017 that it's the Attitude Era 2.0.
@@UnexpectedWonder VERY good point! No Mercy 2017 is very underrated. You can see the shift in the company's overall focus around that point. There's a LOT of good stuff they're putting out. The Lashley / Lana thing isn't great lol but damn, there's good wrestling everywhere else.
I’m thankful that I was a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s. We had some brilliant periods of wrestling in these two decades and when wrestling really began to take off in the U.K. Its a whole new ball game and not quite the same but that could be because I’m getting old.
Learn headlocks before 450s
Well said. I don't mind a well choreographed exciting match but look at the difference between a Young Bucks match vs a Mysterio/Andradae match. One is believable while the other looks like its been rehearsed for months. When a match is that well rehearsed, what do you do in case of an injury or something where the planned moves have to change?
Yes emotion is so important makes a more believable.
At 10:46 Jim actually took me aside and corrected me on that bad habit. I was working with ROH at the time working in ring with Eddie Edwards in Buffalo NY. At the time I took the advice but in my head I was defensive and perturbed. I was young and stupid lol he was totally right and now when I scold young wrestlers for that same deal I think of Jim hahah
2:30 - 7:10 Yes.
No matter what the new guys are not bigger than life. Muscles do not make a wrestler. Harley race had a beer gut but he was believable. Bill dundee was small but he was truly a supetstar. Those guys new what it took to be an icon. They did not practice it. They just were it.
The best Emotion i have seen in the last few years was Owens vs zany battleground
Cage is awesome. He's like a much stronger, much more muscular looking RVD.
I'd love to see somebody work old school with great fundamentals and pacing and no flippy shit and get over. He'd be unique to anybody else in wrestling right now. And for goodness sake throw a proper worked punch. That's seems to be a lost art except among the old timers.
im always saddened by that. wrestlers arent trained properly. every guy who cant make it open a wrestling school and never teach selling. they learn to take bumps and be a competitive-cheerleader in the ring, but they never learn to actually wrestle. they never learn to make stuff look real.
People who crap on modern wrestling cause it's more fake are somehow more forgiving to the old wrestling, undertaker walking the ropes, Ric Flair's drop, Sting or Hogan's no selling, Rey Mysterio's entire career, moves like the piledriver and some wrestling trops that are ridiculous like fireballs or doesn't make sense like the leaning forward after an Irish whip. People seem more forgiving to the stuff they grew up with or are familiar with even if objectively it doesn't make sense cause they grow to accept it and thus their brain suppress it but when confronted with something new like an Ospreay Ricochet match or moves like escaleras or canadian destroyers, they'll yell that it looks fake even though it's objectively more realistic than some stuff in the 80s or 90s. What is more realistic, a superkick or an elbow with theatrics
And most importantly, who cares as long as there's people who like it
90 percent of the time he's in another plane of existence, but he has a point with something...clothesline and ducking them. The wrestlers in WWE in particular, purposely throw clotheslines way high and it shows no matter what camera angle you focus on. I don't know how he did it, but Bradshaw's clotheslines back in the day looked absolutely real. He had it figured out, and I'm pretty sure wrestlers were usually fine after...
I think flips should only be used sparingly like as a finisher or whatever. I think a prime example of that is Eddie Guerrero. he had his finisher move as a frogsplash and of course the huricarana he *sometimes* did, but otherwise he was a very technical wrestler, not so much that as Chris Benoit of course, but they knew only doing just flippy shit wasn't good storytelling nor did it make for a good match
Cage > Rollins
If he makes it in AEW I will know all I need to know about their wellness policy...
Brandi lord I didn’t say they were any better. Triple H on the Mexican supplements as well lol.
@Brandi lord You damn well know he knows how many appearances he can make before he has to piss in a cup. Part-time exception bullshit which allows the old-timers to get juices up to make their annual appearance *coughcough* Hunter
Okay boomer.Things has changed,stop living in the past :)
I can understand where Corny is coming from but people today have short attention spans, it's like with movies people like less talking and more action and explosions. I remember i tried showing friends some old matches and they just got bored fast, people today just don't want to see matches like days of old, look at the YT views for the Rusev Lana bullshit, people just prefer garbage like that.
@Joe Greene Not to mention the scores of people who went apesh!t over the last few seasons of GOT where they ran out of books. Those folks noticed the quality of the show go down b/c of the lack of attention to details almost right away. Then more caught on as it got worse; even I noticed as a casual viewer. Sure millions still watched the last season, but it's good they cut it off when they did b/c with enough time, they'd have damaged all the trust they'd built up with their viewers.
Hmm.. now doesn't that sound familiar.
They're just going through the motions. They're hearts aren't into it
Jim Cornette:WRASSLIN LOOKS PHONY AND SILLY NOW
Also Jim Cornette: why don't people play leap frog more in the ring
@Joe Greene hahaha what?
Well the start of this clip sounds different in September 2022..
He compared Brian Cage to Lex Luger. Not a bad comparison. Better than comparing Roman Reigns to Lex Luger.
Brian Cage > Roman Reigns.
Cage is terrible! HGH at it's best!
Wider than he is tall
I miss rvd
Imagine where we’d be today if the wrestlers who need it took Jim’s advice 3 years ago.
They’d be working at McDonald’s if they took this mark’s advice.
The first statement/ question didn't age well.. "Brian Cage is what Luger would have been if he lived up to his push." Whoever asked that question probably hates what Jim says about Cage these days.
It's been hard for wrestling to evolve because all the secrets are out and the crowd can't be fooled coz we know what a real fight looks like after the MMA explosion,I still watch pro wrestling and still love the art but the era of tricking ppl to make them believe a tall blonde man full of water and steroids is the moSt dangerous man on earth is long gone.
Old school guys wanted to be wrestlers.
Modern guys want to be famous.
Overall I get what hes saying. The performance of the moves are more important than making it believable now days. Its become 100% dance. Even the selling of some moves look like a 5 year old pretending to be hurt.
I do the same thing Jim does every second," what was the question" my add is so bad I go off on these tangines from being artistic and passionate about my work we can't focus because Jim is so involved and we care about the littlest details about what we love to do . Very educational video 👍
What Jim seems to be talking about (not being presumptuous is the psychology of wrestling; the telling of a story. Everyone now is trying to look good for the cameras because its all about the 'writing' like its a sitcom.
"emotion" is a a great word the wrestlers today lack emotion if you got punched very informative wrestling lesson hy Jim thanks for the post
If a crusiweight wrestler ate marko stunt then you'd get brian cage loool nah but cage is very good very athletic but I think he should be smaller in weight then what he is now.
I think if he was about 230 he'd be even more impressive and have alot more enegery to what he already has and still look like a real wrestler.
But he's got that jacked look that people like to have in there company's. In Aew he could be pushed as a monster
It’s simple really. if you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Save your breath.