Jim Cornette on Bret Hart's Comments About Modern Wrestling
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The fact Jim Ross admitted many the wrestlers don't even ask or listen to his advice tells you all you need to know about AEW
WWE ain't no different.
olu because JR is out of touch with Wrestling like Vince and triple h are JR only went to AEW for money and to make Vince mad
@@Neethan3247 You're right. WWE and AEW are full of guys that come from the indies who think they are wrestling Gods.
Jim Ross isn’t the only one who’s said it. CM Punk said it too. FTR have said about the guys in AEW not wanting to listen to the old guard. Hangman Page has said he doesn’t listen. It’s why AEW is so hit and miss. You’ve got guys like Billy Gunn, Dustin Rhodes, CM Punk (pre-brawl out), Bryan Danielson, Tazz, Jim Ross, Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Christian Cage, Claudio Castagnoli, William Regal (pre-WWE return), Samoa Joe, Sting, Arn Anderson and Jake “The Snake” Roberts all there, all available for advice, for ways of making it more compelling for fans, to make things appear more hard hitting and less gimmicky, more real and yet ... nope. Like Bret said about guys standing around waiting for a dive, it takes me out of my immersion because it’s dumb. Or I remember seeing someone doing some kind of joint manipulation thing to an opponent on the ground then jump up and stamp on their elbow ... except the guy jumped so high it took about 2 seconds to come back down and stamp, logically your brain just goes “well surely the guy on the ground would just pull his hand away?” ... it all becomes too staged. WWE and AEW are really bad for this shit at the moment and, for me personally, it kind of ruins a match
It's because the modern performer is over on Instagram before they even make it to tv alot of the time, people are saying "NO DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING WE KNOW WHAT WE LIKE MORE THAN YOUR BOSSES".
Fact is, people don't know what they like. They dream of all these Utopias, but when the utopia happens, there's no raw materials that made the things even mediocre, much less fantastic, it's just superficial tracing of better ideas that happened before. The raw materials are what made everything work, the way it turned out was just cherry on the cake. Now the cake is completely plastic but it's ok because the cherry is what they think it's all about 🙄
Bret Hart is Absolutely Right about modern wrestling
So don’t watch
He lent his family name to AEW . His words hold no credibility.
@@michaelspringer4532 Martha did
@@pleaseshutup7053 he was on AEW television. He’s taken AEW money
@@pleaseshutup7053 I guess I never thought that about AEW from day one . Like Jim. With the people involved from the beginning I wasn’t gonna touch it .
People like to say Bret is bitter because it’s trendy…but I can’t remember the last time someone said he was wrong
The people who say Bret is bitter are either: 1. Followers who don't have their own original thoughts or: 2. People who are not intelligent enough to know the difference between bitterness and...brutal honesty.
@@misterslats So he should hate Goldberg (an awful awful wrestler granted) for an accident which may or not have even been the cause of his injury even after he apologised constantly and accidents happen? He cheated on his wife and does nothing but bitch and whine in any interview he does. The man lives in some weird kayfabe world where he genuinely believes his own shit. People forgot to tell him wrestling is a work. Fuck him.
@@misterslats They're also bitter, snarky douches. They can't get laid, can't stand up for themselves or get what they want out of life. They just take abuse and pretend to like it. They're bitter without knowing it so it drives them crazy when guys like Punk or Hart or Cornette have the standing or freedome to actually call bs out.
I'll tell you where bret was wrong.
The fact that he threw a hissy fit over losing in Canada - a completely different province, mind you - that would be like Austin being from Texas and refusing to lose the belt in Minnesota because it's in America 😂. He was also, in my opinion at least, wrong to refuse to do what he was initially asked to do at survivor series. He acted like a big, unprofessional baby about it when he was literally about to leave the company.
Let's not forget this is all over a phoney, horseshit pro wrestling championship. Bret acts like he got screwed out of an Olympic medal. He got paid a very rich man's salary to walk around with this fake championship and then dropped that fake championship to go playfight somewhere else for even more money.
I am a huge wrestling fan btw, AND from Canada, but let's not forget this is a fake sport and we're talking about a multimillionaire.
@@r.levourne148sound more like a huge sports entertainment fan, a huge wrestling fan would 100 per cent understand why he took that championship so seriously and why he was so protective of his home territory.
If I was a wrestler I would definitely listen to everything that Bret and Jim Ross have to say. I'd have a notebook in my pocket at all times. As dorky as that sounds.
This is why Corny pushes the video of when he and JR were in England
I'd be using any downtime I had to try to be a fly on the wall around those guys and try to absorb as much knowledge as I possibly could.
You won't. That last sentence proves you are still obsessed with what others think of you.
It's not dorky, it's smart!
And Jim Cornette too!
In AEW,doing a Bret Hart style match makes you the 'bad guy'. They were mad at Punk for not blading or dropping Darby on his head.
This. They (mainly the E-Lite & their marks) were pissed with MJF for the same reasons. If you watch MJF's "pipe-bomb" shoot promo, he talks about this very thing.
"Tony, I want you to fire me - YOU FUCKING MARK!!!!"
The fact WWE doesn't use Bret as lead agent like the role Pat Patterson use to have, is a tragedy.
Pat was really healthy to his death days
I don't think Bret is now quick and witty enough to do this tough job
Life's been tough on him. Let him rest with his millions
Facts which is most likely why he’s always complaining about it because neither company is using him.
Or cornette
WWE should consider hiring cornette again. He can work remotely. For creative
Bret Hart is the real tribal chief of wrestling, he's one of the last sages like Jim.
The right he was, the right he is, the right he always will be!
This is exactly my problem with modern wrestling… very well said everybody!!
Modern wrestling is unwatchable. Zero entertainment value. Very generic and uncreative characters. Forgettable matches and just people using wrestling as stepping stone to become Hollywood actors and models.
Wrestling today is a joke, it's like watching children play fighting, they think they look brilliant but you don't take it seriously
I never got tired of watching Bret matches. They all hold up. I remember when Jethro Tull got the metal Grammy over Metallica. I was like, what? That was Metallica IN THEIR PRIME.
GnR was too. I think this was about the time that Slash and Duff showed up to the AMA's and we're absolutely hammered. Then they won 2 different times and had to stagger onstage to make 2 hilarious acceptance speeches where Slash dropped a couple of f-bombs and they cut them off to go to commercial. It was glorious and might have been the reason the Grammy's got scared and had the most bizarre winner in history 😂
As Jim said, I could understand if it was for Aqualung, but that was in the early 1970s.
@@samspurgeon4222 I remember that haha
Quoted by Bret Hart, Goldberg ruined any credibility of the art work of wrestling when he kicked my face in.
I hadn’t watched wwe for 10yrs and turned on WM the other day…I spent an hour tweeting the same comments as Bret then turned it off. Bret is right..and now I want to watch the Calgary show if I can. Agree 100% with Bret and Jim.
That opening quote is bang on.
Performing the moves is more difficult but it’s easier than getting a match over with the crowd, so they opt for sensational moves and spots than to convince and sell to the crowd.
On the pre aew doc Cutler & his wife thought they were too good for the middle class temecula mansion they lived in. All you need to know about Cutlet.
Sounds interesting, where can we find this? Is it on RUclips?
@@Brian_Vallejo it has been edited. I think it was on tnt the night before the 1st dynamite.
Need to go back to the good old days of the Gobbledy-Gooker and Jim Cornette wrestling a Ninja Turtle...
Thumbnail got me thinking:
"Corn you know it's
Corn you know it's
Corn you know it's
Corn you know it's
Corn you know it's"
As Bruce would say in Jerry Jarrett's voice... You Know!!
And Jim runs off stage because he knows he's fucked! Lol
Dungeon Wrestling! Its on youtube and my god its a throwback promotion and its soo good.
Jim's Milli Vanilli analogy applies to Drake, too
The industry has evolved. It went from wrestling, then to wrestling entertainment, to now entertainment using some wrestling.
More like devolved.
Great segment! Here in Edmonton we have Monster Pro Wrestling, an indie promotion that trains wrestlers the “old school” fundamentals! Massive Damage is a high calibre trainer with uncompromising wrestling values. They have been packing the house because fans appreciate it!
Sounds awesome
In Darby Allin's defense, self-destruction is baked into the name; Darby (Crash) (G.G.) Allin
If you know, you know
Germs! Killer band
CM Punk was lame enough. We don't need any more of these wannabe punk personas.
if Brets restarting Stampede, im going to find and go to it
Hit Man, laying it down, like always.
Modern wrestling with flashy outfits and the flatout orchestrated moves is simply Cirque du Soleil at this point. It's performance art mixed with Sport Entertainment. Wrestling died in 2001, we only watched WWF/E because all the wrestlers just moved over and after 20 years there about all gone now. And there are people who enjoy Cirque du Soleil. Nothing wrong with that. It's just not wrestling anymore. The wrestling crowd moved on to MMA or to something else.
The Milli Vanilli thumbnail is brilliant
Yo, I only go to WWE house shows just because it's something to do.
I would love if an MMA division came to town.
Honestly.. AEW is WWE. Theyre both modern wrestling that is against actual good wrestling and theyre never going to change.
The only way things will get better is if Bret Hart combines w other legends n create a company
Bret hart gave night 2 a 4/10, he actually preferred hhh booking
Road Dogg: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages....
Bret Hart:...Shaddup.
You know what I used to think was phony? When Bret was whipped into the corner and went chest-first into the turnbuclke EVERY MATCH. Just like Flair's flippy flop over the top rope then take 2 steps and fall flat on his face. These were celebrated, iconic moves, but I, as a younger fan, knew they were not real occurrances. All in the eye of the beholder.
I don't watch a lot of Usos matches, but the amount of leg slapping in the Wrestlemania match put me off. It was ridiculous.
I was watching Bret and Austin at mania at 13 and my friend looked at me and said “why does Bret hit stomp the ground when he punches? It looks fake” and as a Bret fan, I had to agree there
...was that one of the first wrestling matches your friend has even watched?
@@Radeo she’s watched a lot more but then again, she’s a fan of mick foley and he shoved a sock in peoples mouths
That's how you throw a proper "worked" punch. The stomp takes the force out of the blow so you can make contact with minimal damage to the opponent.
@@MorpheusASmith but you wouldn’t stomp the ground in a fight. I’m not disagreeing with you, but if you do it, you have to hide the stomp a little bit. Hell if you punch too much, I think it takes away the effectiveness
@@charleswilson4526 - Fair enough, point taken.
We need to convince people that wrestling is real again. The biggest problem with wrestling is smarks and wrestlers breaking kayfabe and exploding the business as fake on social media!! If wrestling wants to become mainstream like it was in the 90s, it needs to convince people that it’s real.
He’s absolutely correct (bret that is), but in that interest as well, finding really good modern wrestling is almost like finding the toy in the bottom of the box of cereal, I almost feel more accomplished when I discover acts like FTR or see someone like jay lethal, those guys make wrestling today interesting but about 90% of all wrestling now a days sucks.
Not surprised one of the reasons why I stopped watching WWE is due to the BS compared to what I grew up seeing, AEW I atleast enjoy watching.
I mean fuck, Ultimate Warrior got dropped probably at the peak of his rear cause a pissed Vence off.
Bret also said he wasn't looking forward to gunther/Sheamus/drew. He hates chops. Said they were always meant for heels to bully jobbers with. He only let Ric flair chop him and he limited the amount he would take.
Shout out to the memory of Oscar Gamble, old #17 for the Yankees! "A lot of people don't think it be like it is, but it do!" (For those younger folk out there, Oscar was an outfielder/pinch hitter/DH for the New York Yankees and other MLB teams in the '70s and '80s, about whom it was once said, "Old Oscar and the English language are not on speaking terms.")
Best afro in baseball
I met a girl on a dating website. She liked wrestling. She told me she was a fan of Orange Cassidy. I ghosted her.
What’s really sad is years ago Bret went to Vince and hhh, yeshe tried to bury the hatchet with him, and said he is willing to come train and work with the wrestlers and teach them the art of wrestling because he is concerned with the future, preserving the past and passing on the knowledge. They straight up told him no, maybe it was an issue with him not being available all the time who knows but they should have him angle and regal running the backstage finishes like pat Patterson used to. Each match is a story and they waste so much with style and storytelling.
@Robert Oughton not well everyone wrestles this weak style HBK did
@Robert Oughton it’s a good point
Bret is based
Bret called it right on about modern wrestling. Couldn't agree with him more.
It would be cool to hear commentators criticize wrestlers and comment on their weaknesses and commentating on their improvements the way ufc does with fighters. They comment on their evolution making there wins more meaningful especially if they become champion.
Just remember; while guys are cutting themselves up weekly now, Bret's hottest angle...was being an aggressive, disillusioned hero against an anti hero like SCSA or HBK...
It's not that the new stuff can't work, it's just such an overreach to what WORKS.
He’s right 🤷🏾♂️
Professional wrestling has been auto-tuned.
Bret is my #1 of all time. His style just made sense to me and he was so damn good at it
Just look at the people in the business who idolised bret and how good their work looks and look at the ones who idolised shawn.
Bret Hart and Jim cornette take-on wrestling is absolutely right
This is what Corny and Bret have been saying for years
No Vince Russo is
Bret is, consistently right Jim is wrong 90% of the time, and that 10% is when he agrees with Bret.
@@wolfspledge1762 I think you have that backward. Jim is occasionally wrong, but it's about 90% - 10% in favour of him being right 90% of the time. This isn't a debatable point btw, it's reality.
@@fuzzluvver69 No, I have it right. Cornette nearly tanked RoH last time he was in the wrestling business. He's right when it comes to stupid stuff like diving onto the outside. "This isn't a debatable point", no it's not, because I said the truth before you even commented. Old man shouts at cloud meme = Cornette.
brets punches, bumps, turnbuckles, finisher, pace and psychology were all too real. even his promos were very believable. as a baby face it hurt him because he was never a goof ball or comedian. but as a heel he was so real and serious with the canada vs US angle or his shawn feud it was like we were watching a real life story play out. and in some cases it was. his match with austin at wrestlemania is the most realistic fight every in wwe history. i actually believed austin passed out. every time bret got hit he sold like crazy. his heavy forced breathing while being in better shape than anyone and barely breaking a sweat but making it look like he was exhausted made it seem so much more genuine. guys doing 50 back and front flips in a row without any selling is just ridiculous
Aj styles wrestling reminds me of the closet thing to bret...
@K Biggest flop of the 90s Bret.
I used to worry about Bret every time his chest smashed into the turnbuckle in his matches.
Bret's promos were underrated. He was never the best guy on the mic but too many act like he was Jumpin' Jeff Farmer or something. At his worst he got the point across. When he turned heel his promos were killer.
@@afdcg you misspelled Nash. That's ok, the ratings didn't.
"Bret was always like. It's real. It's real and when he put you in the sharpshooter you thought it was real" - Kevin Nash
😅.....Scott kinda said the same thing bout bret, bret is really like the guy that was passionate about his job and took it seriously, bret always been my 1A with Benoit being 1B...
The Sharpshooter destroyed Nash's quads years later......it was a delayed reaction finishing move😂
@@samspurgeon4222 poison pill finisher
@@kingston4313 lmao....I imagine Jim Ross appearing out of nowhere and coming through the crowd. "OH MY GAWD!!!! THE HITMAN GOT HIM WITH THE DELAYED SHARPSHOOTER WITH THE POISON PILL DROPPED FROM AN EAGLE!!!!!THIS IS CHAOS HERE!!!!!" , and then just quietly walking away
@@samspurgeon4222 😂😂😂😂
Bret really didn't even say anything too controversial... he said, in more words, people need to stop telegraphing their moves. Not really a debate. Making the fake parts look less obvious should be basic common sense for the industry.
The issue is that wrestling is ultimately a clash of egos. The best wrestling comes the humble minds that LOVE the art of selling.
Look at Wrestlemania! Think about the match finishes for a moment and look at how bad the sells were. Slammed face into a turnbuckle into an Avalanche Riptide. Charlotte is up immediately after she loses.
Kevin Owens superkicked in the face twice and then got double chokeslammed through a table. Start a timer. He is up and ready for the hot tag in less than 3 minutes. But before that spot, he was out of the ring for like 10 minutes from something a lot smaller. It's so weird.
I'm a fan. If I were in the ring and I got hit with a finisher, I'm selling. I'm screaming on the way down. I'm out for a few minutes. I'm crawling to the ropes after and I'm using them to help myself up. I might even fall back down or stumble a few times, even on my way back up the ramp.
Most people have a limit for how weak they are willing look and it ruins the business. And if you overdo your sells (Dolph), they make you lose more often.
When you look at the best matches, you have the best sells. We all know how Stone Cold sold that sharpshooter.
You're right it's the ego problem now. @@aowwii
Brets right, he's always right. Anyone who aspires to be a wrestler should study Bret.
The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be !
You mean study his wrestling, and not his bitterness.. correct?
@@TotalCruiserBabe I wouldn't mistake bitterness for honesty. If he is upset about certain thing, I'd argue he's justified.
@@retroshane8844 bingo. But Goldberg marks will still act like sensitive snowflakes whenever Bret speaks the truth
@@chico1680 I'd say there are more sensitive Shawn marks than there are for goldberg.
This is why I actually liked RVD’s style of high flying. Lots of his moves involved countering someone else’s attack, being explosive with his movement so the opponent couldn’t really react in time, and then has some showboating that wrestling always has.
If he dove someone on the outside, he did it before they were fully standing and he didn’t do a pretty dive, rather he would throw his weight around since he was pretty big for someone who did flips and kicks. He incorporated his martial arts background and he had the muscle to back up that offense.
Yes!!! His shit looked real, it made sense. Wasn't just a spot fest. His shit had purpose in the match and built towards a finish.
Rob worked very stiff too , with punches and kicks. He made it look real
Many veterans didn’t like rvd’s style when he first joined the business
Rvds style not only looked real and solid but it was fairly unique as well, which made it stand out even more as wwe gradually homogenized everyone else. Sure others could do a move or two, but never the whole set and certainly not as well as RVD. It might not be at the top of the list, but getting guys to work safely and in their own style would help improve today's product immensely.
I remember seeing RVD for the first time and thinking, "wow, he's unique". That's what makes you want to tune in, differences in characters/styles. Alot of wrestling these days comes across as so manufactured.
Just got my 8 and 7 years olds into wrestling, they do love it. Son did ask “why are all the people just waiting outside the ring, waiting for the guy to dive on them? Can’t they just move out of the way..?” Aaaaand there you have it.
What's your finish kid?
Dropkick off the top rope.
I'll move.
@@edwells4769 *cue Samoa Joe walk away spot*
I have been hoping Bret would start a school or a local territory, guy is the GOAT and has so much knowledge to pass on to this next generation that really needs it.
Just a Yank West Ham fan why would Bret ro that SMH Wrestling Almost destroyed his family and damaged his health Wredtling took his Brother Owen away from him Bret doesn't owe Wrestling anything
@@darnellwilliams8783 Because Bret loves wrestling, you can here it in his voice every time he speaks. Wrestling gave the Hart family immortality in the wrestling business, he has a vast knowledge on how to perform safely, his health robbed him of passing his in ring knowledge to contemporaries. He doesn't owe the WWE anything, but if he wants to mentor a new generation of talent, the same way older wrestlers shared their knowledge with him, then I think that's great.
@@themadthinker4291 no Bret loves wrestling he hates the industry for what guys like Vince did ro him and his family I know Bret he cares about his family why would he waste time training wrestlers just so Vince and triple h could refuse to make them champions
@@darnellwilliams8783 wrestling was Bret’s life I think the loss of his brother and the way his career was cut short by injury really crushed Bret. I think being able to share his knowledge and stories and experience would be healthy for Bret, it’s not that he owes anyone anything.
@@darnellwilliams8783 Vince is not the industry. He buried his past, he got remarried and has a new outlook on life. Nothing good comes from dwelling in negativity. As far as training, if young wrestlers come to work for him and ask for advice it's up to Bret if wants to share his wisdom with them.
I don’t even have to listen to this to know that Bret Hart is 100% correct on his thoughts on modern wrestling.
You trust Bret hart too much for me 😅
@@sweetpetergeda LMAO You're exactly right
@@sweetpetergeda Wait, isn’t Brett one of the best in ring performers of all times or am I missing something?
@@semyaza555 Yes lol
Absolutely
I hate modern wrestling, I rather watch old WCW and WWF shows and ppvs
Way better
I've been having a great time doing it
The whole point of pro-wrestling, is to use 'wrestling' moves to compete with and try to win matches with. ( In a kayfabe sense of course). Once you start over-choregraphing anything, you lose suspension of disbelief.
Agreed, it stops looking like wrestling and more like acrobats in a circus. And I like the high flying stuff as much as the next mark, but 5 minutes of high octane moves in succession that would all have been good finishers 20 years ago followed by 7 near falls takes the competitive edge off the match
pro wrestling needs to go back to some of the basics...everyone jumping around and flying over the top rope to get caught by the other wrestlers standing there looks ridiculous ...there arent even any true brawlers anymore..stroman doesn't count since hes not even convincing..
@@pwnranger3496 We can go back to Jeff Hardy vs RVD to see how great their match for the European title was. It was short, but had so many amazing spots planned in advance. They weren't spamming superkicks or anything. Even if they were hitting hard, they were selling it too. If you're gonna get kick with three double superkicks, you need to be out of commission for a long ass time. At the very least, you could kick out but you need to sell that you're still practically unconscious. Momentum isn't enough. You need time to recover or a mistake to capitalize on.
No one made wrestling look more real than Bret Hart.
Exact same match every night...
Brock lesnar..?
@@danielburger1775 no it wasnt. not even close
Benoit
Bret Hart beating guys like Yokozuna and bam bam bigelow made me realize wrestling is fake.
I agree 100% with Brett about those stupid dives. Why are 5 people standing in a little group like that ? Because they're waiting to catch the guy doing the dive that's why. And why wouldn't they just move? It's ridiculous and it's in almost every match, especially in AEW.
yea and it looks stupid as well...pro wrestling is supposed to be a staged fight...
I'd like to add to that the multi-person suplex/powerbomb/whatever combo from the corner. It looks bad with 3 people, worse with 4, stupid with 5, and idiotic with 6.
I remember Orton being away from the pile once and someone in the crowd asked, "why aren't you over there Randy?" He responded "I don't wanna get hurt"
Not only meaning that spot is stupid, illogical to stand by, but it's also dangerous.
@@dgthe3 i switch over when they do that move ,they think they are being creative, when id rather watch circus clowns do the same thing...
And in WWE too the dives are stupid I agree ever watCH A SETH rOLLINS MATCH DOES IT ALL THE TIME REY MYSTERIO etc etc
Should have included the full quote where he name drops Plumber Moxley as well. Bret is right, shock horror. Guy is the king of psychology and logical, real wrestling.
@@James-if3kc "AEW has gone in a bad direction with all the violence and gore. I watched an episode, Dr. Martha Hart doing her big press conference, I’m watching AEW and [Jon Moxley] is sticking a fork in somebody’s head for five minutes with a close-up. This isn’t wrestling. I would recommend turning all that off and not watching because it’s not very good. Wrestling is going in bad directions because people don’t know what wrestling is or was."
@@James-if3kc I love how he just calls Jon Dean Ambrose too lol.
I love Bret Hart. The man was my idol growing up. When I got into it the Hitman was the top star no doubt. You felt like he legitimately could outwrestle anybody in the sport. It still had an element of realism when he was on top. I wish kids today could experience how great professional wrestling really was in the 90s.
🥹
@@James-if3kc bahahahahah awesome
I know it’s a long shot but I wish Bret would come on Jim’s show, would love to hear that conversation.
If I ran a promotion that conversation would be mandatory viewing for the talent.
I don't think Bret will ever forgive him for his involvement in the Montreal screwjob
@@chuckmendez8446 Of course he would. He forgave Vince and HBK, and Triple H to a degree.
@@James-if3kc He basically created the finish.
This would be amazing maybe if everyone likes your post Jim will look into it!
The music analogy was correct by Jim. Especially in the music scene overseas. Hell, how many singers these days rely on overdubbing and autotune? And then their live performances are massively choreographed and orchestrated.
current pop music sucks as well but maybe not just as much since they have been using auto-tuning and them other enhancements for a few decades...were as this high flying style ,while present in the past decades ,has only became more apparent in the last decade ....
@apostolostvable what really shits me is when you have good, hard-working, established bands, who have been around for 15-20 years or more, getting dropped by their label in favor of not just the winner of some BS "reality" show, but for the equally lame act who placed 4th or 5th.
This is what happened here in Australia to established, respected rock band You Am I (if you've never heard of them, they're worth checking out). Which prompted the lead singer of Frenzal Rhomb (another Aussie hard-rock/punk band worth checking out), to say during a concert, "F--k Popstars, F--k Australian Idol, f--k the lot of them! They can all go & get f--ked!" Hear here, I say!
@@jackstraw4222 that auto-tuning shit is f--king lame as. All these crappy, plastic, talentless acts infesting the top 40 today would be NOWHERE without groups like Kraftwerk, Can, Neu, Jean-Michel Jarre, David Bowie, Suicide, Cabaret Voltaire & Joy Division/New Order.
Modern wrestling is almost unwatchable. Every character is generic, the action is sloppy and spotty, very few can cut a believable promo and storytelling/fued building is garbage at best
Bret is 100% right.... those dives over the rope taking out 8-10 people is embarrassing to watch. Bret Vs Owen can still be watched today because he took it seriously.
I wonder how long it'll be before Dave Meltzer suggests that Bret Hart is "out of touch"?
In 5...4...3...2...
@@mike584 No kidding.
Nowadays I love seeing people call Demented Dave Dipshit old and out of touch, because he is, and his vision of wrestling is a literal flop that’s seen it’s 15 minutes expire.
Jim and Bret: IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!
Wrestling would be so much better if people thought more like them.
Bret Hart is definitely right about today’s wrestling because the wrestling moves do not correlate with the stories that the wrestlers are telling in their promos and inside the ring.
Exactly.
Bret hit the nail on the head, I'd love to hear him and Jim have a conversation about wrestling.
He’s still mad at Jim after he admitted the screw job was his finish.
@@Kingofthekop1 true I wasn't even thinking.
Add in Punk and FTR in the conversation, it'll make the gymnastics wrestling fan upset. 😂
@@TheMrAlgoh I love Bret and Jim but I can't stand Punk or FTR Bald, FTR hair is cool though
@@Kingofthekop1 Jim has said that for years. Bret joined JR and Jim on stage for a show in UK didnt he, so he's surely not that bitter about it.
As CM Punk said about Bret, "he's right, he's always been right."
Crazy to think he was there when AEW first started to introduce the world title. Now his comments reflect most of their roster 😂
Bret was fooled like most of us who thought AEW would be a serious company and not a pathetic circus .
@Ricardo Velez "Sports based" aew is just as sports entertainment as wwe they just bleed more and say shit literally...
Did you count how many super kicks in the usos vs Owen's and zayne match?
They promoted themselves as sports based wrestling. We were lied to sadly.
I’m sure he despises aew even more now after they brought Martha hart in (he hates her).
Bret made wrestling look real and feel like a sport.
No he didn't. I'm not trying to take away from Bret or any other skilled technical wrestler, but wrestling never looks real and never can. If you compare it to any actual fights, it looks ridiculous. A sharpshooter isn't realistic in any way, and neither is playing dead while Bret climbs to the 2nd turnbuckle and jumps with an elbow.
@@ihiohoh2708 wrong, wrestling up until the attitude era was a legitimate sporting competition
@@ihiohoh2708 realism is more subjective that we give it credit for being. Realistic is always within the constraints of the rules of the reality its within. Bret made it look as real as it could ever look for pro wrestling. Don't forget that people thought it was real, genuinely real, for decades. People had boxing but they didn't have MMA on any large scale to watch until VERY recently so what a "real" fight between professionals looked like could easily be a number of things for the lay person. Don't forget that people think kung fu movies are an accurate representation of what actual high level martial skill looks like. There are a shockingly large number of people that think dim mak and chi techniques are real thing. Never forget that grown adults think they can black out go into beast mode and win fist fights with professional fighters...or lions
So did Kurt brock and Benoit
I don't think wrestling can ever look completely real but at least performers can make it make sense. Brett tried to put on matches that made sense.
Been to a Dungeon show, strong Stampede Wrestling vibes from Stu's days.
In the old days, Wrestlers wanted to be wrestlers, which made it a big deal when a wrestler was in a movie, today, kids become a wrestler as a ladder to Hollywood
the few that do only make it to dvd level...cena,batista and rock are the only ones that have made it big since hogan..
@@jackstraw4222 But they all believe they will get to Hollywood, that is the problem, and an Action star isn't really big in my book as an art non of these wrestling actors will ever get an Oscar
The Rock laid the foundation for all future wrestlers to follow in his footsteps.
The problem is though, none of them have the ounce of charisma that came out of the Rock’s pores.
That’s why they’re such marks for themselves because they overcompensate their dullness with flashy flips and dangerous moves that no one cares about.
If Bret Hart in his prime was wrestling today, he'd be by far the best wrestler in the world.
Bret, best of all time
Bret Hart vs CM Punk in an inter-generational match would instantly sellout the Wembley.
Bret Hart vs Gunther is my dream match
He was the best anyway...to me at least, for what that's worth haha
He was the best anyway...to me at least, for what that's worth haha
Brian should have kept reading. Bret said more, and Jim would have loved it.
I'm with him. I can't count how predictable and cringe it is when you know someone's gonna do a senton or dive out of the ring. Especially when they're the last one who should be attempting it. Looking at you Top Dolla...
Bret is right and Jim is right. The Psychology in the ring is lacking. Wrestlers get in position for "spots" then later move to the next spot. They don't sell consistently. It's not realistic.
Bruh... Now Jim got me imagining a Hart Dungeon trained Gunther.... Would be incredible
I liked it most pre attitude era, it might've been a little sillier but it seemed larger than life and like a real sport. When someone showed up in street clothes or used a weapon something out of the ordinary was going on.
I loved it then too. But I would argue it got much sillier when attitude began.
Bret needs to be booking AEW. Maybe I'd watch.
If only Bret and Jim teamed up to run a wrestling company.
Went to the Hart's Dungeon Wrestling last night. 3 shows down the company is drawing 1000+ fans which is spectacular for a brand new indy. Last night had stuff like the Billington Bulldogs (Dyno's nephews) vs the Bollywood Boys and Dirty Dango challenged current champion Nick Aldis for his Stu Hart Heritage strap.
Bret's sons are on a roll. They are doing a big Stampede Week show at the same time AEW is in Calgary and there are rumblings about a tag match involving......FTR. It's been said that Bret is pulling several favors out with his friends - new and old - to get talent for Dungeon Wrestling's Stampede super show. As a wrestling diehard if you've ever wanted to make the pilgrimage to Calgary this July during the Stampede would be the time to do it. You have AEW at the Saddledome, Dungeon Wrestling at the legendary Victoria Pavilion, you can go get your picture taken in front of Hart House (like many wrestlers did yesterday), you can pay your respects at Owen Hart's incredible grave, and you can check out the permanent Stu Hart section of the Glenbow Museum then wind your day up partying at Bret's new Hitman-themed bar! All of this while the Stampede rages around you: a million visitors having a 10 day drinking party all over the city, famous bands playing every night for 10 nights, a huge exposition with midway rides and tons of county fair food vendors, free breakfasts and lunches all over the city and raucous partying in every bar and club in town in the tradition of Mardi Gras or October fest. Oh yeah...there's the world's oldest and richest rodeo but who cares about that. I'm sure both Aew and Dungeon Wrestling will have special fan events too. You could seriously have a visit that is based totally on wrestling.
@@James-if3kc He's the current champion. The belt has a famous photo of Stu Hart engraved on it.
How did Bryan miss the point of the music analogy.
I've never once stepped into a wrestling ring, but my thoughts are along the lines of Bret. The old school wrestling I just enjoy watching far more than modern day wrestling.
Bret Hart is what a modern wrestler is supposed to be. Smooth, tight, minimal mistakes if any, realistic with moves flowing one after another while maintaining logic and psychological sense, and maintaining your physique to match your wrestling style. Promos within the range of character and not something outlandish just for a cheap pop. Bret vs Yokozuna from WrestleMania IX and X still holds up today! In fact, all of Bret’s matches are now classics.
When Metallica won a grammy in 1992, I love that Lars Ulrich started his speech with, "We gotta thank Jethro Tull for not putting out an album this year, right?"
Jethro Tull had some songs that were metal-ish, like "Aqualung," Teacher," "Locomotive Breath," "Minstrel in the Gallery" and others, but were more of a prog-rock group, not a metal group. Hell, even the Osmond Brothers had "Crazy Horses."
Not too many like to admit it but Bret has been absolutely right the last 25 years.
As much as I love Walter, even he has been battered down into the leg slapping territory. He did it with the indies and still does it. You're a legit WRESTLER fkn stop it! And as for the dive over/through ropes ...when Bret busted that move it was against a stunned opponent who just turned round from the barricade at that moment. Not a gaggle of geese who've been stood waiting for sometimes up to 10 seconds for the gymnast to flip or dive. Absolute drivel 😂😂😂
"gaggle of geese" 🤣
Not to mention Bret didn't do it every match, when he dived you knew it was a very heated grudge or important match, and it always looked real, like how anyone would do it in that situation as opposed to timed trampoline routines now.
@@fumpr84 yeah with the manic stare into the hard camera, pose, more manic staring followed by needily waving hands wildly to a crowd who are just as mentally retarded as the performer before finally completing something sonic the hedgehog done better in the early 90s.
I watched Bret Vs 123 kid. Amazing
Bret is correct. What wrestling needs is great psychology, something to help fans suspend their disbelief. At the end of the day, you have to tell a good story, and spotfests are the opposite of that.
Want wrestling, go watch Iowa University- Bobby Heenan. Everyone has their own take. But ya pro wrestling sucks now and has sucked for a at least a couple of decades.
Brett's right, when they stopped trying to make it look real, it's no longer fun to watch. Get me into it, make me believe it
where's the lie? he's right, call him an old fart or angry about Goldberg all day long, he's not wrong about this
Perfect example of this is the 48 super kicks during two nights of WM
True although I think Bret needs to take off the rose tinted glasses, and go back and watch some Rockers matches from the 1980s. Super kicks were used frequently by Marty and Shawn, and it didn't become a devastating finisher until the mid 1990s. Even when he became a main eventer HBK rarely gave anyone a kayfabe concussion with one of his kicks.
I love Jim Cornette
i take issue with the use of the word "pretend" ... what they are doing right now is pretending, and the fans pretend along with them... Kayfabe wasn't "pretend" it was a "work." Both may imply that it isn't genuine reality, but pretending makes it sound like play time, which is what allowed for people to think its okay to do the stuff they do now a days. Working means it is presented so close to reality that people don't know where real ends and the "pretend" begins. It requires effort on behalf of everybody involved from top to bottom.
This comment is on point. It annoys me also
It’s like ‘fake’ vs ‘formatted’, ‘work’ vs ‘pretend’, ‘shoot’ vs ‘real’ and so on. There are nuances to the meaning of those words but the wrestlers who are marks for themselves don’t get it. Suspension of disbelief and kayfabe were on different levels back then. Now they confuse the two and fail at expressing either.
@@Copperstoned exactly. Half of em don't even care, and the other half take it for granted. Then there are a fraction of a percent of guys who treat it like its supposed to be treated, and all the "smart fans" talk shit about them because they "take it too seriously" ... its so ass backwards.
@@pleaseshutup7053 cheers bro.
Great point. I feel the opportunity for kayfabe right now is being wasted. MJF gets it-use social media for kayfabe!