Britain's 4th Biggest Party: You've NEVER Heard of Them (Probably) - TLDR News
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So it turns out there's a secret stealth party in the UK's political system. They've got 26 MPs in the House of Commons and members across the devolved assemblies. Despite being bigger than the Liberal Democrats you've likely never heard of them (the Cooperative Party). So in this video we explain who the Cooperative Party are, what they stand for and why you don't know anything about them.
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CORRECTION: This script was written & animated before the changes in the Labour party, so we incorrectly said Anneliese Dodds was the Shadow Chancellor. She no longer is, being replaced by Rachel Reeves on May 9th
Pin your own damn comment chaps
@@armadillito lol
You also said that Co-op Party members are only allowed to also be members of Labour and not any other party. This is not true! They can also be members of the SDLP in NI.
Also Croydon South has a Conservative MP. I think it's either Croydon North or Central which has a co-op MP
Ok, but you need to buy a good quality mic first. Audio is very muffled
Is this why I sometimes see "Labour and Co-operative party" on the ballot? I've always wondered!
Yes that's exactly it :)
@@okok72277 Yes so not a distinct party but part or indeed the Labour party!
Also many labour members are members of both parties
@@paulwilson2651 separate parties with similar ideas who have an electoral pact
@@bamalam5762 Can't obviously stand on their own mind you having anything to do with the Labour party is getting dodgy.
I was going to make a joke about the co-op having a school, funeral service, supermarket and political party but it turns out they sort of do
"What are cooperative MPs?"
"They actually help instead of sitting in the back and saying 'I'm not doing that'" - Chris Joel, from the Technical Difficulties
Finding a Citation Needed reference in RUclips comments is like finding a diamond in a rubbish dump
Which episode is this from?
@@isaaccisa The John Stonehouse "Citation Needed" one, IIRC.
A C.N. reference in the comments? A surprise to be sure. But a welcome one.
Literally was about to comment this 😂
The logos are so perfect, considering the alliance, like how bees and flowers rely on one another for survival!
It's interesting that so few on the left of the Labour party are part of the co-op party when they advocate for co-operativism more than any other group in Labour. McDonnell and Corbyn wrote a policy which would allow workers of a company or factory which was going to be outsourced, sold-off, or shut-down to vote on turning the company/factory into a worker co-op with access to low-interest loans to get them started.
Great policy.
@@dreamer2260 Possibly as the Co-op movement itself came out more of Liberal principles. And part of the reduction in retail influence of the Co-op compared with Supermarkets (its now basically competing at the Waitrose level rather than the cheap discounters, the Co-op bank ended up with dodgy directors so that basically leaves just the Funeral Business (though wholesale has increased when Nurdin and Peacock ? went bust, so the two wholesale suppliers to independent shops now appear to be Co-op and Tesco. Co-op does have its own farms (as does morrisons !).
I didn't know about this policy but it sounds amazing, could you pass the source?
@@Ellipsis115 Is it not loosely based on that great capitalist successful economy - Germany - the one with the likes of workers boards representatives on the main directors board and so on.
It's called marcoras law
I think New York has a party system that’s kind of like this, with “secondary” parties.
Hi J.J. 😀
JJ strikes again
J.J!!!
Go away
@@zartoon7534 Rude
Me before clicking: it's the greens isn't it?
Later: Ok, now you have my attention...
Same here 😂
I've always wondered why my MP ran under "Labour and cooperative", but always thought it was just the full name for the Labour party.
Thank you for the insight TLDR!
When you said "7 in Scotland" my mind went to the Greens
Probably them and Labour
But it would have been very unreasonable to assume that this channel's audience wouldn't have heard of the Green Party. And not worthy of a video 🤭
@@diabl2master Oh cmon the thought lasted about 12 seconds there wasn't enough time for that to go through my head
There is an error in the graphic around 1:09. Croydon South is a Conservative seat, he meant Croydon North. The constituencies are listed by the MP's surname, as on Wikipedia
These guys just throw up constituencies graphs all the time and 70% they are wrong
Finally Croydon has been mentioned online. Even if it is just for a politics video.
Also, there is no constituency called "Birmingham" (way too big to have just one MP), and Batley and Spen doesn't have an MP at all at the moment, as of a couple of weeks ago Tracey Brabin was elected Mayor of West Yorkshire and had to give up her Westminster seat.
@@josephbrennan370 A fellow Croydonian?
@@thedarkwolf2525 yes. Although I have never been called a Croydonian before.
The biggest supermarket chain in Finland is also a co-op. Almost half of Finns are members.
Well Finland is quite left wing so it makes sense.
How does a co-op supermarket works tho? Can someone explain?
@@felixhaokip It depends on the kind of co-op, but the basic is that it does not concentrate on profit, but on providing cheap services of good quality to customers and paying high wages to their workers
@@szymonsokolinski9907 ohhh that does sound really nice. Definitely getting behind that.
@@szymonsokolinski9907 is there any evidence that co operatives produce cheaper products than their private counterparts and produce less inflation?
Me: can't see the thumbnail
Is it the cooperative party?
Reads description:
Sometimes my genius is almost frightening.
"Batley and Spen has a Co-Op MP"
*laughs in by-election*
Might do better if stood as Co-op on own. Would prefer that Co-op signed up with Libs or Greens.
@@highpath4776 if brabin ran as co op by itself she would've split the leftist vote and lose supporters to labour
@@kets4443 Not if Labour stood down (not policy, but I wonder if its time for change following Hartlepool and the red wall?)
@@highpath4776 I'm a member of the Co-operative Party, honestly the greens seem too left wing for most Co-operative members, and with the Lib Dems, well they appeal to more Co-op members but they are on the more centrist side. With all of that considered, Labour seems to be the best fit.
So every time I buy milk from the local shop I'm indirectly funding a party I've never heard of. UK Politics is weird.
Everytime you use fuel your funding big corporations and dodgy MPs.
yeah with everything we do, the banks/building societies or co-ops we but our money in we are funding domestic and international governments and corporations/business currently there is a campaign for HSBC to stop funding deforestation
@@elliotwilliams7421 They arent dodgy, they just advocate for something the main labour party doesnt
@@isnitjustkit He wasn't talking about the co-operative party.
@@elliotwilliams7421 Fuck. I didn't think of that. I can't win, can I?
I'm from Rochdale, I talk about the Co-Op party literally every day. Rochdale, the home of Cooperation!
Keep up the good work
From ROCHDALE TOOOOOO
I've been many places in the world and all over the uk. Rochdale is one of the scrattiest places I've ever found, along with Birmingham and scunthorpe.
@@madmanjoe1002 Hey Rochdale is bad but it's nowhere near as scruffy as Birmingham
Enjoy radical Islam
It’s a like a secret club nobody knows, but knows from the outside.
INACCURACY at 6:37 "rules bar them from being members of any other party"
Co-op Party members can also be members of the SDLP.
Great video! I'm a member of the Co-op party, and there were things you explained which I didn't know. Thanks!
I'd support the coop party if I were British
When you were describing what the party stood for (before the big reveal) I thought "yrrrr, this sounds like Labour".
Maybe labour scaled up to 100
Not anymore
The old, pre-Tony Blair Labour, that is. More about the working class, less about the filler...
Labour stopped standing for that 20 odd years ago
@@jedaye47 I think corbyn and to a certain extent miliband could've matched the description
Quick Correction: Co-op MP can also be from the SDLP, though there hasn’t ever been a SDLP Co-op member
Claire Hanna, the SDLP MP for Belfast South, is a Co-operative Party member but does not stand as a joint Co-op candidate
@@digitalwilds1866 oh! Thank you for the correction, your right
Is the co op party a supporter of Irish unification then if it allows SDLP in the party? Or do they just share similar enough views and republicanism isn't really a concern for them?
@@samwilkinson2534 I believe the latter, being co op is about believe co op beliefs, being Labour/SDLP is about their beliefs, they are separated from eachother, but have shared principles
@@samwilkinson2534 I dont think the SDLP are particulary pro unification, they are not against it eiether.
I live in one of those constituencies so noticed their existence a while back, but this is far more than any research I bothered to do on them
Love how you can have a logo for the Monster Raving Loony Party in the video but you still can’t put one for the Scottish Greens
Been feeling pretty politically homeless under Starmer's leadership of the Labour Party. Think I just found my new political party
They're a part of Labour. Did you watch the video?
@@theblackswordsman9951 yes; they are very closely connected with Labour but the policies this particular Labour sub-party advocate for are more aligned with my politics than what the current central Labour leadership is offering
So... Supporting Labour without saying you're supporting Labour?
@Lewis Coyne same could be said of any party - if everyone voted for the Lib Dems they would have more influence. But they don't, primarily because the voting system makes voting for anyone except the two main parties pointless. And as those parties are (1) monoliths representing only a single very narrow slice of possible opinions and (2) are part of an adversarial system where they are fundamentally opposed, change either from within or without is essentially impossible. FPTP is designed for a small electorate l, not universal suffrage.
Me too!
i was literally about to make a joke about the co-op party owning the supermarket and then i was told they actually do
This was really cool and informative. I love how slick the production is.
I literally had the idea for multiple years that co-operatives should exist, and everything about them, but I never knew they existed, and there was already a party vouching for more of them.
Not all coops are owned by the employees. Many are owned by their customers.
@@user-xb9yv2ci4c So is there a different name for such a establishment?
@@ipadair7345 Worker cooperative
@@user-xb9yv2ci4c Thank You :)
@@user-xb9yv2ci4c A business owned by the community for the community, doesn’t that sound way better than a business owned by a multi-billionaire that hide his money in the British Virgin Island?
My jaw dropped when I found about this party. Thanks TLDR for another great video.
out
A note: The Co-operative Group's members, successfully renewed that agreement and formal partnership, with the announcement being made on the weekend following a recent vote! As The Co-op Party's Co Vice-Chair for my local branch (South Staffordshire, Walsall and Wolverhampton), I feel excited for the party's future and growth; which saw more Co-op candidates at the ballot box on May 6th and a big increase in Labour-Coop victories!
Do you know when it will be renewed?
Again?
Known about them a while back. It really pays to read. Informative video as always!
Very informative, thank you
Never heard of them before this. But they've got my vote. I might even shop in coop from now on.
My local MP (Ealing North) is essentially a Labour MP that just uses the name 'co-OP' with no meaning.
All his campaigning in the past was based on Labour policy and I suspect 99% of locals have never heard of the Coop party.
However if they choose to stick with Labour, good luck to them as they will need it!!
Thank you for making this video.
I was lucky enough to be friends with Chris Herries, former chair of the party. She was a truly inspiring person who devoted her life to making the world better for others in real, measurable ways.
She unexpectedly passed away last year. There isn't a day that goes by where I don't think of her and am grateful for having known her.
@Luís Andrade Go and be vile and obnoxious somewhere else (actually, preferably nowhere).
@Luís Andrade I don't like people being disrespectful, dogmatic and selfish.
@Luís Andrade Shitting on a dead person just makes you an asshole, especially if that person never did anything to you & your doing it on a post made by somone remembering them.
@Luís Andrade Regardless of whether being a clown is your job or not, you're clearly a gifted amateur.
Casually flipping the term socialism/socialist around as if you know enough about it to actually criticise it is clearly disingenuous, and quite obviously there for one purpose only. By the way, how is that socialist market economy produced device you're trolling through working out for you? :)
@Luís Andrade The statement wasn't made on an ideological basis, they said that the person was a genuinely good person to hang around and legitimately did some impactful work on society.
Try to be even 1% as impactful on society. Tough challenge, yeah I know.
1:05 CORRECTION: Croydon South’s MP is Chris Philp from the Conservative Party. I think you mean Croydon North’s Steve Reed.
Really informative video. My mp is in here Steve Reed for Croydon North and I never even knew he was
I live in Croydon North too and I only remember Steve reed as he came to my school and is still in power lol.
We all know the real reason many people don't know about some things is that the media systematically refuses to mention those particular things. If the media would regularly state: "oh, this Labour MP has this opinion because they're a member of the Co-op party", then people would know about the Co-op party. But that doesn't happen, so nobody knows.
This is not accidental.
Britain’s biggest group is currently non-voters - bigger than any single party. Register to vote!
think there are many registered voters who are not going to the polls; need a non of the above box
@@humeragondal2135 It's called spoiling the ballot, where you deliberately make it obvious you're voting for no-one. You can do anything from voting for everyone to an obscene picture on the ballot, but it'll get recorded as spoilt. It's something more people should know about and do, infinitely better than not voting at all.
@@Xentillus Actually it’s better than that. In the UK you can write ‘Protest vote’ on the ballot and it will be officially counted as a protest vote instead of a spoiled vote.
Voted for the first time this year! Its really not that hard to fake your identity and to vote as a 5 year old!!! :)))
@@humeragondal2135 This is a very good point - there is a mechanism for this. You can spoil your ballot by writing on it ‘none of the above’, drawing a new box and putting a cross in it. It’s counted along with other spoilt ballots and can show dissatisfaction amongst voters in a particular constituency.
If the cooperative party broke off from Labour I'm sure they'd do well
I would be so excited to see this happen
I doubt it.
I think sticking within labour is actually very smart for a small party in first past the post system.
With ranked choice voting they'd do alright, but with this system they would be lucky to get a single candidate elected
This is actually really interesting, I really like this!
Never knew my local supermarket was the 4th biggest political party in the UK
Ah! Sean Kippin was my lecturer at uni - Great guy and glad to see his work is doing well!
Your audio is quiet compared to other channels by some margin
Technically Batley and Spen doesn’t have a Cooperative MP because they don’t have an MP, Tracey Brabin resigned when she became Mayor of West Yorkshire after the recent election.
I thought the coop party was a coalition party, but this is still fascinating!
This party speaks most to my political values and I didn't even know it existed.... they need to do a bit more advertising!
Me who has no idea on British politics "I've not heard about remaining 3 bigger ones either before this video"
Another great video!
I think the real question to ask here, are they really the 4th largest party?
If their candidates stood on their own solely under the banner of the Co-Op party, would they retain their seats? Loose those seats or even gain more seats?
Considering that I'm a Market Socialist and consider myself pretty tuned in to British politics, I am pretty shocked I hadn't really heard of these guys. Glad that you've just changed that for me
Well you're a Market Socialist so being ignorant shouldn't come as a surprise to you by this point.
*dab*
@@Bushflare alpha
@@Bushflare oh wow, I would feel so burned if you'd made any actual arguments against Market Socialism
@@robertwinslade3104
Firstly, you don't burn people by making actual arguments against their beliefs you burn them by attacking their character.
Secondly, whilst I'm glad you're the type to respond with something intelligible I gotta say I thought the dab at the end gave enough indication that I'm only commenting to you for the meme value so I don't really know what you're expecting back from me here.
Finally, I don't need to argue against something that defeats itself.
*dab*
I'm shocked you've never heard of them too. Any election night coverage will mention them as 'Labour & Cooperative'. It's all standard stuff.
Mic level could be upped a bit to match intro music level which is higher. :)
Yeah I knew of this party but knew nothing about them. Interesting video.
The thumbnail is misleading as it separates cooperative party mps from labour rather than combining them to reach 198.
Please increase the volume of your videos. Most of the time they are lower than other channels. But this one borderline unhearable without Volume Master.
I have heard of them before.
Thank you QI!
@TLDR news could you do an interview with the head of the cooperative party?
Could you increase the volume of your uploads? I have to max out my speakers on my crappy laptop to be able to hear you speak whereas with other RUclips videos I have to actually turn it down or it's too loud... Thank you!
I knew it would be co-operative! I became a member earlier this year
The fact more people didn't know this really says a lot about the state of our democracy.
Well, I'm not going to the Co-Op Supermarket anymore haha
>brony
4:05 that's is silly! I mean they might work shoulder to shoulder with labout but giving them their seats?
I have heard of them and always wondered the difference between them and Labour thanks for this video
1:07 Damn, I'm actually in one of those!
I'd heard of them 💅
I didn't, and isn't that what matters.
~By a fellow narcissist.
@@ipadair7345 Ha.
Just wanted to show off
@@ipadair7345 cope
@@hoi4noob765 man he literally called himself a narcissist, i don’t think he’s coping
Huh thank you so much. 100% I will look into the cooperative party now and vote for their MPs if one ends up standing in my area.
In a time when the Labour Party keep kicking their left down, its great to see that it seems like we have our own portion of the party.
Also for real, in the US, Bernie should 10000% do something like this with the Democrats; form his own party where you can be a representative of it and the Dems at the same time.
Pretty sure Bernie already does this, he's an independent that votes with the democrats and also part of the Vermont Progressive Party
@@Nukeguy909 Hmm, Independant isn't the same thing since while it does show he's something other than a democrat, it doesn't group him with other lefties.
The vermont progressive party seems interesting but that would be vermont only right?
Yeah, like the proper little weasel turncoats they truly are :)
@@Nukeguy909 no. That's pretty need. But the underline distinction of policy my each member with 1 vote is the key distinction. Not what they stand for.. but how (the methodology) they stand for whatever.
This is weird, I literally just found out about the cooperative party the other day in my A-Level politics lesson
This should’ve been posted on April 1st, many people would then doubted this video.
Always wondered what was going on with the co-operatives
Ngl, i've known about co-op supermarkets, but i've never heard of this. Very interesting.
Co-op party sounds fire
Is TLDR a cooperative or does it seek to concentrate wealth to its owners? Ironically, the video ended with an ad for developing my shares portfolio...
Ahh.. now I understand why my MP is listed and 'Labour and Cooperative.'
I wish co-operativism was more well-known
@@Michael-mh2tw what was your reason?
@@Michael-mh2tw thanks for that reply, it was really informative
@@Michael-mh2tw thanks for the reply, I understand your reasoning. Though I do say that the monopoly aspect is also shown in Private buisnesses, in order for a Co-Op to exist equally, new developments, and models would be needed for making it worthwhile, and most importantly new policies on education,etc in order to remove some of the bad.While I think the good outways the bad, I understand your viewpoint.
Co-operativism would basically be a disaster as it would make British equity markets effectively redundant. Much of new capital generation relies on financial investors from banks to ordinary consumers. These people wouldn’t be able to trade equity in a completely co-operative system as there would be none to trade and issue as only workers would hold the shares. So although this would mean workers would receive greater dividends off of the shares giving them higher pay, it would also mean that raising funds for the company (especially for any new, smaller business) would be virtually impossible. This would massively slow down innovation for only a very marginal benefit to workers.
@@sharktamer Well, it wouldn't have been very consistent to say I wanted more criticism, and then not criticize. Glad you got something from it.
Very interresting. During the first minute I really thought this video is an april fools. I really had no idea they existed.
Damn, I can't believe I didn't know about them. They sound pretty cool.
I agree
Now they are not . Typical leftists
@@dalfkssafetillity5570 as you can see, as with the co-op, cooperative businesses can be just as successful as their non cooperative counterparts. And give them better working conditions, better hours, better pay, and a democratic say in how the business is run. I think we should turn most businesses cooperative.
@@eugenelubbock5478 So... Socialism ?
@@dalfkssafetillity5570 yup
the co-ops seem really cool
Thank you.
so the cooperative cooperated to get seats? seems legit
I’m pretty sure there was a joint Plaid/Green MP some years ago, 1990s era.
Thank you ! When I lived in Britland I used to love getting my dividend. So how do I join?
The co-op party doesn’t sound so bad
Us Co-op party members are the true entryists. Jokes aside, we're always very proud to campaign as co-op candidates and members too.
I used to be a member of the Co-Op party, very flimsy membership card :(
co-ops are based
I've heard of them, they were once a party in New Zealand
The co-op is the worst supermarket in the UK, evidence that perhaps the model doesn't work.
I've heard of the Co-operative Party and this video helped me understand them better.
Can you do a similar video on the Unionist party in the Conservative and Unionist Party. Thanks 👍
The conservative and unionist party are one party
Yes, they used to be separate but merged in (IIRC) 1968.
@@digitalwilds1866 ah yes the scottish unionist party
Damn, I had hoped this was about the Monster Raving Loony Party.
Not to dissimilar to the setup for the Federal Mps and Senators from the "Liberal National Party of Queensland" in Australia who get elected under one label but then nominate whether they will sit as members of the larger Liberal or National parties.
For me, the Co-Op end of the Labour party would be more appealing (I speak as a Classical Liberal, swing voter, who spoiled my last national election ballot). I like that it still focuses on the individual, but how individuals can come together and co-operate. That's admirable, and feels quite centrist, appealing to the benefits of the individual and community.
Too many left leaning ideologies, from Communism, Progressivism and Socialism, sacrifice the individual too much at the expense of the collective, for example with "positive discrimination"/quotas that make it difficult for me to support.
I've honestly never heard of this party, but I hope they continue to do well and get more attention. Thanks for sharing!
I hate to break it to you but if you like coop policies you're not a classical liberal you're a socialist
Most of what you hear about socialists is just flat out lies most socialists generally align with the coop party
Keep spoiling that ballot.
Co-ops are pure socialism. It's giving workers control over the means of production; empowering them. And it's a good idea. Just ignore the propaganda that's biased you against the left.
co-ops are socialist...
@@tomfoolery2913 ok fine... so? if it works it works call it what you like
At 5:39 the semi circular above the door window is right aligned with the door which means nothing is centred with the apex of the roof of the house - no-one else being driven crazy by this? Just me? Ok then!
Great video ! I learnt a lot - just a typo: *Colombian*
Thanks for pointing that out lol!! as a colombian fellow I cringed a little bit
The Co-op Party which has a non-aggression pact with Labour and some MPs go by the party "Labour and Co-operative party"
This really confused me when I saw it on the recent elections. I was looking for Labour and I thought "The Co-operative Labour" was some kind of con!
Guessing this is the co-op party whilst the adverts are still playing
Can you do a video on the ycl next?
In America, we call this concept "employee owned," while a "co op" is owned by shareholders, who are the customers. I belong to a farm supply co op and get my electricity from a co op, but I've never worked for either.
I did work for an employee owned company for a few years. It is a very different sort of company culture from the corporate jobs I've held in the same industry. People take it personally when they see other workers slacking off.
Wasn't this on QI a few years ago? Is TLDR UK binge watching old QI episodes?
I had heard of them, not least because I believe Gordon Brown was a Co-Op MP.
talking of 4th place parties, in the hartlepool by election i saw the 4th place party was called "heritage", doing better than the lib dems, reform, greens, and the NEP, which is odd for a party i'd never heard of before. would you consider doing a video explain what they're about?