Britain's Weird, Small Political Parties Explained - TLDR News
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As Britain heads into election season (if you didn't know a bunch of elections are taking place on May 6th) we thought we should take a look at the parties which don't normally attract attention. So in this video, we look at Britain's fringe parties, the ones who have no real shot at winning but for some reason still take part.
Ft: The Yorkshire Party, UKIP, The Liberal Party, Aontu, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the Christian Peoples Alliance
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I love that the Official Monster Raving Looney party includes the word Official in their name. Really helps so we don't accidentally vote for the Unofficially Monster Raving Looney Party by mistake.
You have to get approval from the party in order to stand as a candidate for them, hence why they are "official" candidates. There is at least one breakaway party (the Eccentric party) which has run candidates against them in by-elections.
Having said that, in the recent council elections, the OMRLP ran 13 candidates for a single council ward vacancy (Chessington South), so they are not afraid to split their own vote...
Sorry for the late reaction... But it seems that it didn't really work, did it? Seems to me that millions of people did vote for the unofficial one...
@@vaclavkrpec2879 maybe because they wanted to
@@christopherdwane2844Splitters...
10:24 It was the Monster Raving Looney Party's idea to have passports for pets, which then did actually happen
And plastic money!
Looks like they do have a not so insignificant amount of influence
Also 24 hour drinking. That was one of their policies too.
Maximum voting age of 80 🤞
@@danfromabove Minimum voting age of 80 would be looney.
Okay have to say I love! schrödinger's Brexit now that is a stroke of genius.
Yeah, this is up there with lord bucket heads abolition of the lords (except me).
I dislike first past the post in the U.K. but I love the fact that jokes parties exist.
It is true though, Brexit is dead/alive.
Negotiations never actually ended. A truly quantum effect (not).
How can a party be "big in wales but not on a national level " who else votes in wales' national election other than wales?
The whales don't get to vote, can't get to the polling booths or post box... 😜🤣
How do you put being in and out of the EU in superposition
how can one even hate the monster raving loony party? To me, they sound like clever people and I think Lord Buckethead should get more votes
They are the lords of fringe.
Iirc, some of the things they have come up with have legitimately been pinched by other parties and implemented
what about count bin face
I guess Lord Buckethead and Count Binface are independents. 🤣
Aren't they done by the same person? The politician formally known as Lord BucketHead
I am honored! I was hoping someone would make a video inspired by mine! Fringe parties can be a very revealing window into a nation’s more obscure, but still recognizable, subcultures.
Your video was award winning so it makes sense someone made a video inspired by it.
Hi JJ
💜
I loved that video, keep going man! Ur videos are super exciting and fun to watch
Award winning and internationally recognised video!
The SNP started as a fringe party, and grew into a major player on the national stage
Pretty much all parties start of like that
So did Canadian Greens. Who now have 3 seats going on likely 5. Good chance of balance of power.
If the SNP was a fringe party, then I’m praying that the Monster Raving Party becomes one
@@internationalarmy3984 we can dream
I believe that move is called 'reverse Labour'
NOTE: Sorry for the terrible audio. We're in the process of moving office at the moment, so I had to record this on my laptop microphone! Hopefully we can be up to full quality again soon - Jack
It okay
Hey where's the intro music, your videos are incomplete without it?
Don’t worry it makes my day anyway when you release a video
Honestly didn't even notice 🤷🏻
Sounds fine to me. And I'm usually quite pedantic about audio quality.
JJ and TLDR must be the combination no one ever expected but is the coolest
A combination of Centrist Western Propaganda
@@Georgios1821 alright settle down sunshine
@@ryaningham5374 relax Princess
I can't stand that guy
@@Georgios1821 How is JJ a centrist, he votes Conservative. Also TLDR doesn't have any political alignment, that's why people are watching them.
UKIP did actually win a seat in the House of Commons via the general election in 2015. They won 4 million votes overall, but famously only elected one MP due to the voting system (and it was Douglas Carswell, not Nigel Farage, who came second in his constituency.)
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Ya. They then had a conservative MP who defected to UKIP
And that worked out soooo well !
Shhh he doesn’t think that far ahead.
Electoral system in UK is fucked up. 4 million votes and only one representative. In proportional system it would result in several seats. UK will never see major change unless electoral system is changed but it's not going to happen because it favours two main players. Plenty of people vote for lesser of two evils or don't vote at all because of that rigged electoral system. You feel like like there's no point to vote because your vote will go to waste.
Never expected JJ to be referenced in a TLDR video, awesome.
It might have been worth mentioning that Aontú actually have a Dáil seat in Ireland along with a bunch of local seats and ~2% of first preference votes.
They're Sinn Fein but pro life lmao
Its not worth mentioning in the context of British politics though
Aontú is the best political party in Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Monster raving loony party all the way..... who wouldn't want a 5 day weekend?
EVERY VOTE COUNTS, VOTE OMRLP
I already have a 7 day weekend.
Gov won't let me work. I know, shocking!
@@seriousmaran9414 Are you a foreign student by any chance?
@@natenae8635 stop being racist
And no, I have health issues.
I do belive the SNP are considering a 3 day weekend.😂
In the 2015 general election, Mebyon Kernow (The Party for Cornwall) achieved more than the 5000 vote threshold for this video. In the 2019 election, they decided to pour all their resources into getting just one (albeit outstanding) candidate elected. Sadly, this new strategy did not succeed but I think the party is worth an ‘honorable mention’ here as it consistently fields successful candidates in municipal elections.
Mebyon Kernow have been going since 1920s, 30s.
Fun fact: UKIP has had 3 MPs in the House of Commons, due to a defection from the conservatives in 2008, Castle Point was a UKIP seat in the commons. However it only lasted for a short while until that MP became an independent.
We need Proportional representation in the UK, so that these parties actually get the seats they deserve and the politicians the people actually vote for get represented. FPTP is no better than the electoral college in the US and both are deeply flawed
so jack shit can get passed through?
Okay BUT party should at least get 10-12% before they can get seats
There was a vote some years ago to change the system to make it easier for small parties but no one could be arsed to vote in favour of it. I think it was a referendum?
@@SuperKing604Like Turkey?? No way
@@ou6775What makes you think Conservative and Labour aren't jack shit? Are you a tool?
Your pronunciation of Peadar Tóibín was honestly hilarious 😂
(It's "pad-er toe-been" btw)
I was thinking that aswell 😂
Yeah, well in my local dialect of Gaeilge it would be pronouned "egghead"
I'd actually like to see the Yorkshire Party win some seats tbh
As a Yorkshireman, me too
They have seen a rise in popularity and have won quite a few council seats
It’s possible that they soon will win a seat
@MantisSZNYA2 Yorkshire has went down due to covid and the mines being closed down in the 80’s and 90’s
It’s coming back and it’s also a better reason to vote for the Yorkshire party as it’s mainly the government who did this
They came third in the recent West Yorkshire Mayoral elections which was quite a big success for them.
@@cmcofficial1964 I suspect, like UKIP, they will struggle to win seats under FPTP but that some national government may feel the pressure to offer them a devolved parliament anyway.
6:50
“Aontú are a Northern Irish party”
No they’re not, they are an all-Ireland party. They stand in the Republic as well as in NI, their headquarters are in the Republic and their leader sits in the Dáil.
Small parties like this is important for another reason.
Them having *any* voters despite how unfair the UK electoral system is means that there's a *lot* more voters that *would* have voted for them if the electoral system was fair, but that either didn't vote at all or voted for one of the two biggest parties instead.
Their existence makes people aware of that.
I wish we had ranked choice voting 😔 there’s a bunch of these I’d put as my first second etc choice and then the major parties with perceived chance of winning can be 4th or 5th or whatever.
@@kaitlyn__L That would be preferable to the current mess, yes.
I think you'd be better off with a proportional party list system though.
But honestly pretty much *anything* is preferable to the first past the post system.
@@Luredreier hmm, I wrote like four paragraphs and then Google ate it. Probably held for review. But I said “best” a couple times when I meant “strongest” so, if it does show up, bear that in mind please.
Really good video. One minor point: Douglas Carswell did win re-election at the 2015 general election as a UKIP candidate.
Nice video! But in response to 4:52 and 5:16, I'm pretty sure that Douglas Carswell won Clacton for UKIP in the 2015 general election.
He did. I was going to point this out as well...
sees UKIP as fringe
> laughs in Remainer
The most dominant party that never even won a ministerial position
At least we got brexit ;)
@@AdamWebb1982 brexit fuked everything up, thx you absolute baffoon.
@The505Guys Tony Blair is above Farage tbh overall, but if you're on about "influence exerted" proportionate to actual support Farage wins
@@todbaner3385 stay mad
Ah, the first UKIP MP was named Reckless. This explains a lot
As a member of the Yorkshire Party it's great to see it gather some attention!
It's a shame the Liberal Party never caught on, I find them quite appealing
Classical liberalism is out of vogue right now across the world, even in the USA. It's very annoying if you're a rational person who doesn't want to mooch off someone or be mooched off of, and to leave everyone else alone.
I once read the manifesto of the Monster Raving Loony Party and it was actually a reasonable document with policies that made sense, and were economically viable, unlike some of the mainstream parties.
It is regrettable that many voters have party loyalties based on what their parents voted, otherwise some real change could happen.
Does this man just deny the existence of Plaid Cymru?
Schrödinger's Brexit? No wayy 😂😂😂
Aontu definitely affected the Sinn Fein turnout in the Foyle constituency during the 2019 general election. They ran a strong ground campaign with many ex-Sinn Fein members, basically saying SF has become very left wing and is taking more traditional religious catholic nationalist votes for granted. The SDLP capitalised on this by not taking a strong stance either way on abortion and appearing slightly more centrist than SF. Sinn Fein's turnout halfed and the SDLP won back the seat in a landslide. (20k+ votes to 9k).
So basically after watching your and JJ's videos. The Monster raving looney party is like the Rhino party of the uk.
What's the rhino party?
@@jedaye47 They want to repeal the laws of gravity
@@jedaye47 basically a comedic party who's there not to seriously contend but just for the jokes.
Pretty much.
More like Monty Python's Flying Circus. They accept reality but lampoon politics.
somewhat shocked to hear the yorkshire party called fringe when they got 8.6% of the sheffield mayor vote in 2018 (plus i'll be voting for them in the west yorkshire mayor election this week). i think the yorkshire party is still growing in local government before succeeding on a national scale, but i wouldn't rule it out for them in the future
Been watching JJ for years, glad to see both yours and his channels doing well.
I have also watched JJ McCullough's Canadian fringe parties video! I found both videos to be quite informative! Thanks!
I watched that JJ video yesterday as well, interesting video, glad you decided to do it as well!
I'm curious about the seniority of cabinet ministers. (Why is the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster the 5th most senior minister for example?) Would appreciate a video explaining that!
We used to have a party similar to the Monster Raving Loony Party in Canada called The Rhinoceros Party. It seems to have faded in the last couple of decades.
Talking about fringe political parties in general is so fun to talk about.
Thanks so much for doing this
Good stuff. Monster Raving Loony policy deserves a video of its own.
I think Ashfield Independents could count as a fringe/minor party. They have a supermajority in Ashville District Council and came in second in the Ashfield constituency last general election.
is there a video somewhere like this, but giving a bit more of a history of more of the parties (major would be nice as well, but not as important, maybe just some history).
But would interesting to find out more about the minor and regional ones
Please can you do a video on the Northern Independence Party
This is your best ever video. You have really improved your delivery.
Well done for giving full credit for the video idea. I like that a lot.
Gonna be honest here , yes Im one of those who have voted for OMRLP for the exact reasons given by Jack . I'm really not interested in voting for labour or the tortes as I personally don't believe they actually care or have any hardcore difference but in voting for an independent or OMRLP , I'm still exercising my constitutional given right of being able to cast a vote which I cherish as so many in the world don't even have this choice !
I know this is a very controversial way of thinking!
PS: I've always voted either independent or the OMRLP in any election ! GE or local
please do scottish fringe parties!
Will you be doing a video on some of the newer parties, that have formed since the last GE?
What about Mebyon Kernow ?
it would be super super cool if you guys made a video about the German fringe parties because it's super widespread and there are a lot of it but it would be super interesting
Could you do a video on MK in cornwall it’s like the Yorkshire party but for cornwall
I wish this video was around a few months ago. I had an argument with someone who claimed the UK was like the US in terms of only having two political parties.
Please do a vid on the regional parties
great video
Another interesting video
You haven't even scraped the bottom of the barrel! I have delved deep into Wikipedia's "Political parties in the UK" article/list, and I have never been able to truly escape this rabbit hole of crusty ideologies
Great video... is the number of votes for the greens at the start a mix of all the green parties combined or is it just the English/Welsh Greens?
Peeder Toy-Bin?
His name is pronounced Padder Toe-been. Wouldn't have been hard to establish that.
Although if you were going to include fringe Northern Irish parties like Aontú there's many other small parties there like the Transitional Unionist Voice, Progressive Unionist Party, People Before Profit etc. etc.
Yeah not one bit impressed tbh
Yes, they have such typical Brit attitudes to Irish issues. Including selling an Ireland pin that doesn't include Northern Ireland. They don't seem to get it
@@ParawhoreLoL I wouldn't expect them to sell a pin with an all Ireland tri-colour as that would be very political
@@ParawhoreLoL Why would they do that? You don't seem to get it.
It's funny how Aontú have more of a presence in NI considering that Aontú was a split from Sinn Féin on the issue of abortion - yet sinn féin are famously much more pro lfie in Northern Ireland than they are in the Republic
Can you do a part 2 with more fringe parties? Maybe expand the criteria.
I think a super Fringe or what they call the regional players would be good. Super fringe is following JJ's videos more tho.
i love to see one of these for Australia! we have such a diverse and interesting political landscape here
100%
The Monster Raving Loony Party did first propose the reduction of the voting age to from 21 to 18 in the 60s... so when it was enacted in 1969 and implemented in 1970, you could say they have probably had the greatest influence on democratic governance since women got the franchise.
Didn't the monster raving loony party get tony blair to introduce 24 hour alcohol licences because they suggested it as a way to stop binge drinking?
This focused on the smallest parties, but the fractured opposition vote is how the Tories hang onto power with only a third of the vote and fifth of the population.
Learn to vote swap
Tell Scotland to stop wasting time with snp so labour can get back in power then 😂
This presumes that everyone who doesn't vote Conservative would prefer a Labour government to a Conservative government. Which isn't true.
If you were a pro EU remain voter in the 2017 election, you couldn't vote Labour or Conservative as they both had a policy commitment to deliver Brexit.
Also, the Lib Dems have been in government more recently than Labour and got several of their key policy promises made into law. If Lib Dem voters would've just voted Labour or Tory, they wouldn't have got those policies realised.
The same way Blair won a landslide in 97 with far fewer votes than Boris won
I bet the Yorkshire party will be like “We have devolution, now let’s get our independence”.
no, just devolution please
@@JackDrewitt We all knew what happened when we gave the other UK nations devolution powers, think about that for one moment and then think what would happen if we gave Yorkshire devolution powers like London.
Stable video 👍
JJ makes some of RUclips’s best content on cultural matters
Hey, great video. Just from Ireland to say that Aontù is actually pronounced Aon-tuu - it's hard to pronounced since it's irish
You should have mentioned the UK branch of Volt, who did not stand in the last elections, but surely are relevant now.
Who?
@@markselby9352 Volt. I think they are a pro-EU integrationist party (for the rejoiners).
The Monster Raving Loony Party would do extremely well in Australia. We have the joy that is compulsory voting, fines aren't too bad but you still want to avoid them. (I do value my vote but so many do not)
Any fringe party stands a chance here. For example clive palmer or family first back in the day
@@legallyblind393 I try really hard to forget about Clive Palmer...
Lord Bucket head is a Ned Kelly lookalike lol j/k
@@waynekerrgoodstyle Joke aside (though he does kinda look like a space fairing Ned Kelly) Can you imagine the chaos drunk Australians would come up with?
@@bluebelle8823 As long as it's fun and nobody gets hurt I'm fine with that.
Its Nice to see TLDR Giving CPA a Mini Platform
‘Why they even bother existing’ 😂 omg brutal!
8:30 :D :D Love the joke, exactly me when putting my ballot into the box while thinking "well, it's always shitty choice anyway" :D
5:15 UKIP did win a seat at a general election - Douglass Carswell was re-elected in Clacton during the 2015 GE after winning a by-election in 2014.
my biggest question for those waffling monster raving loonies is where exactly this cardboard box is gonna go. will it run down the irish border or through the north channel? should we have a second box that surrounds all of ireland so that it can be both unified and divided?
Haven't several Monster Raving Loony Party policies become law? 10:22
For example, all day opening hours for pubs and the abolition of dog licences.
"Tóibín" is pronounced more or less as "TOE-bean" (or "toe-BEAN", if you're from Munster). The accents matter, and Irish is not English.
I love the implied comment about UKIP, when you use a dollar symbol for their economic policy.
Ideally should have included reference to First Past the Post and how tactical voting can be a better option until (if ever) Proportional Representation is adopted.
I wish we had more parties :(
Yes! JJ inspired content!
I think the Social Democratic Party (SDP) should have been included.
They would have came next after the CPA, and won 3,295 votes in 2019, so wouldn't have hit their threshold. But they seem to be growing really fast (they got nearly 10,000 votes for London mayor alone this year), so hopefully they'll get a mention soon!
What is the 3rd party on regional influence whit the green atomic symbol?, have been stuck trying to figure it out for months.
10:24 - I actually have to disagree. Protest votes, imo, could very well affect the influence of established parties. At least theoretically. That's what the protest is, after all. Those people who vote for them trying to show the established parties that something is wrong. That the system isn't working for them.
Indeed, spoiled ballots and votes for protest parties are tallied and counted, and registered as dissatisfaction. Not voting is merely counted as “voter apathy” and they don’t give a damn. (Even though those who don’t vote because “they’re all the same”, who live in hollowed out shadows of their former town, are arguably far more dissatisfied with the system than those who make protest votes. But that’s not how the system counts it.)
Could do with an updated version with the parties that had a counsellor elected this year. Aspire, SDP, Rubbish etc
It would be interesting to see a video like this about all the european countires, and maybe even beyon that.
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party's position on Brexit was neither In or Out but Shake It All About.
It's aboot time this video came out
"Britain's Fringe Parties", I just completely misread that as being like parties at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, not political parties, yicks.
Ok JJ and TLDR is a real crossover lol
Would love a video explaining the difference between different ideologies. You mentioned libertarianism in the video. : )
What about the English Democrats? They argue for English independence from the UK, an English Parliament etc. The first elected Mayor of Doncaster was their candidate. Nobody was more astonished at his victory than he was. He knew nothing about anything except horse racing.
They must have got less than 5,000 votes
Just a small point, at the 2015 GE UKIP did win a seat. In Clacton after the by-election the year previous.
not likely to happen but i wonder if they had any pre-emptive regulations in case the Monster Raving Loony Party (or similar) actually won a seat? or would they have to roll with it?
5:20 Douglas Carswell did retain Clacton in the 2015 GE as a UKIP candidate, so it's not true that UKIP hasn't had a candidate elected in a real general election.
Enjoyed the nutter Scottish family party putting an add on a video about fringe groups
Is this their new response vid one? It's bloody terrible 🤣
I saw a Conservative ad 🤣
The Scottish family party.. a friend sent me a picture of a leaflet of theirs that came through their door. It said “no more tired old arguments, we need new ideas” or similar; and then was all “ban abortion, ban trans ideology, ban sex education” and I’m like: those aren’t new ideas at all! False advertising!
Yorkshire party gets my vote
JJ's channels is about the US and Canada
The older among us may remember the Natural Law Party their party political broadcast were hilarious (they are available on RUclips if you want a giggle)
I never knew they existed, as a foreigner.
Monster Raving Loony Party are such chads.
Carswell also won a seat in a general election for UKIP after the by-election