I just bought the DTX6. It`s excellent. My favourite thing about it is the training functions. The Rhythm Gate and Triplet Gate functions are the best thing that`s ever happened to my drumming. It`s like having a personal trainer who is brutally honest and precise in its judgement. It`s cleaning up my playing and showing my weaknesses like nothing I have ever tried. I wish I had this technology years ago. It tracks all my strikes on the snare, HH, BD, toms, and crashes simultaneously and gives a % accuracy read out at the end of the timed exercise. Ripping cool. Don`t hesitate to buy this kit or one of the other higher end kits. The silicone pads feel amazing too and I love the zones and positional sensing on the cymbals.
I think that Simon is one of the best instructors/ teachers on this planet. His tips and instructions helped me more than any Manual. I strongly recomend watching his videos.
Finally a TRUE and REAL and COMPLETE Deep Review of an instrument! This is not for ordinary users, but if you are a musictech nerd or just want to really know about this instrument...this is the video for you! Thanks bro!!!
@@williamperri3437 Actually that was originally a preset kit but it was easier if I said I'd done it so I changed it very slightly. The original acoustic drum sound is shortened to make sure it doesn't decay longer than the gated sound 'tail'. It was shortened just by using the decay function. Its easy to lengthen it again. However, you dont have total control over the gate reverb length but its easy to use combinations of fx to make it sound like it is longer. That is just one instance of gated reverb. You could put another onto the other FX processor and layer both, or choose something else which compliments it.
@@wuffb Yeah the presets aren't always that great. Tweaking helps, but sometimes just making your own user kit automatically sounds better without making too many changes.
Excellent video Simon. Great explanation of digital FX and other editing capabilities that are often quite difficult for the average user to grasp or understand at all.
Simon, it's done! After all these years, the kit that started as a DTXplorer is now finished. RS40 rack, 3-PCY135 cymbals, RHH135 HH, XP100 snare, 3 - XP80 toms, KP65 kick and received today, my DTX-Pro module. Now to figure out how to program the module. With all the time it’s going to take to do this, I’m glad I’m retired 🙂. Unlike the DTX502 which had on the fly Maple, Birch, Beech & Oak kits, I have to look into how to get these kits on the Pro.
I’m definitely considering buying just the module. However I’m worried if I do they will release versions of the dtx700/900 series modules with these same features but have direct outs that I need for playing live. The sounds are really good . I like the EAD-10 style control scheme as well
Fab video, Simon, thank you! :-) Seriously considering the DTX6 - either the k2-x or the k3-x, for home use. I've dabbled on drums a bit over the years and only really started taking it seriously - on an entry-level Roland kit - in December 2020. I've already done loads of practice - on rudiments and playing along with lots of different tracks (getting up to about Trinity Grade 4 level). I've still got loads of things to learn and improve but feel I already need something with a bit more control and dynamic range. The DTX6 looks like it could do the job, so thanks for your superb guided video tour. :-)
Thanks for that Simon, I've watched this a good few times and just swapped out my dtx700 module for the pro today, pretty much thanks to you! The sound difference is insane!. I'm just a beginner so even this is probably overkill for what I need, but I will miss a few functions from the 700, e.g. the easily accessible mixer. Having said that, I'm enamored with the sounds straight out of the box - can't wait to dig deeper into it.
Okay . . . so now I have had the module for about a month now . . . and here are my current observations . . . 1) XP80 pads are FAR more enjoyable to play than the rubber or XP70s. Now the XP80s are THREE Zone, so when you connect them to the TOM inputs, expect some MULTI Voice triggering . . . no problem, just use the INDV Voice in the Voice edit menu and set the Rims to (No Assign). Then the XP80 will function like a regular XP70 tom. 2) I stand by my first comment in that the silicone pads are NOT as comfortable to play as the Roland Mesh Pads. If you play light, you will LOVE the silicone pads for their response, feel and comfort, but if you try to ROCK OUT, the shock from harder strokes on the rims really become fatiguing almost painful after a about an 1/2 hour of play. 3) The KP90 is great IF you like to heel up and lay into your kick drum, but if you look closely at the pad, it "bulges outward" unlike the KP65 or 100 or Rolands . . . that "bulge out" can cause a bunch of double triggering EVEN when you have the "MinLevel" set to 10 or below. Have moved beater head location OFF CENTER and it seems to have greatly reduced the double triggers. 4) I have found that using the SAME voice at Different Tunings creates a far smoother tom group than following the Instrument SIZE differentials AHM 10 or 12 etc. 5) LOVE the Layering!!! You really can "round out" your INSTRUMENT sound by adding just a layer or two and tweaking the voice filters. 6) Have almost eliminated "machine gunning" of the snare and am SO happy with that vs. the Roland SuperNatural. It required layering of THREE snare sounds, setting different EQs for each, of course having "humanize" in ON position and setting sensitivities at different levels. It's like having the pad trigger three snares with different release and transients at the same time and the overlap creates just enough "imperfection" to sound real. It's still there a little, but you have to REALLY listen for it. 7) Dump "The Rack" right away, set up the pads and cymbals on "stands" so you can space the drums wider and closer to your acoustic setup. It really makes the kit more fun and natural to play. 8) The Roland CY-5 high hat works with the Yamaha HH Control pedal and is more comfortable to play than any of the Yamaha Hi Hat setups I tried. 9) Oh yeah, and be prepared to change ALL of these settings when you move from headphones to PA speakers LOL . . . but that's the same with all E-Kits. For Reference, I am using Sennheiser HD25 Headphones and EV ZLX-15BT Speakers. I have also used Roland Mesh Pads with this module . . . the key is NOT to use the Yamaha Cables with the Roland Pads, use regular guitar cables (eliminates the multi voice pad triggering, but also locks you into one voice per pad. Roland Ride Cymbal does NOT work with this module effectively because Roland uses different cables for Bell and Bow. Yamaha has one cable for both. Which by the way makes setting up for a gig easier. Can't tell you how many times in low light I put the wrong Roland cable in the wrong socket and had to redo the connection LOL!! Please note: I am NOT a product expert, I am a user who is just sharing what I have found from a "user" perspective!
very great and comprehensive video. I think the sample import features especially interest me as i'm very into creating my own instruments and sounds on my strike kit, but the amount of customization you have over the sounds is far superior to anything else at this price point, definitely going to purchase a dtx pro when possible.
Very well explained and too dip information about the product. This video is very useful for me to understand the product an its functionality. Thanks Simon.
Wow, best video of the dtx6 I've seen. I'm waiting for my dtx6 k3. Thanks for this video!! One question, your imported sample of the snare off snare, is just a wav? Or is a multilayer sample? It sounds amazing. If with just a wav the module can "work" with it at the differents speeds it really blew my mind.
Hi. Thank you. It's 'just' 90 individual wav files. I used 10 layers and 3 repeating samples (often called 'round robins'), so 30 samples on the head and 30 on each rim. I'm going to do a video when I get time on how to load them in. Its not complicated but it needs explaining.
@@edruminfo Thanks a lot. Subscribed to your channel and waiting to put my hands on the module. Seems to be really powerfull, specifically in this price range!
@@LDdrums20 Well at least with this module you would get real drum samples rather than synthesised, modelled sounds, plus the room ambience is actual recorded studio ambience, not just digital reverb, and there's many more reasons why this sounds so good.
I'm not really worried about the sound but being a semi professional for many years playability is key to me and I've heard mixed opinions on the pads. Being objective I cannot spend top of the line money right now and this kit checks all my requirements for a first electronic kit either way. So probably this one is going to be the one for me.
@@LDdrums20 Are you using VSTi's for sounds then, or something else? If you haven't tried the pads, you really need to - they spent 7 years getting the feel correct. Its more obvious on larger pads, but you'll get the idea from the smaller ones too
Very well done in depth review, with the added benefit of actually hearing lots of different kits. If I had only watched Yamaha promotional material I'd never imagine the module was this great.
Thank you Andre. I'm afraid it is me in quite a bit of the promotional stuff too, which is why I wanted to do this as well. The situation in 2020 rather messed things up as far as the launch was concerned so we could not do exactly what had been planned. I have a few stories about that time period but not for here I'm afraid. It really was rather difficult to get it all sorted. Pleased you like it. Thanks
I really hope Yamaha renames this range of kits "DTX6 Compact Series" and launch a new "DTX6 Large Series" with 12 or 14in snares, 10/12in toms. As much as I love the module, I'll never buy this current small pads configuration.
@@andreoproprio you can plug piezo/piezo pads into the tom and snare inputs. So yes for those. For cymbals you’ll have to use Yamaha pads or use a eDRUMin if you want to use other pads.
Wow, amazing video! Very informative, covered everything I needed to know and even much more. Even though I'm not buying the full kit (only dtx pro module), this was very helpfull. Thank you!
@@edruminfo Sooooo, Roland had a huge push/roll out this week (no pun intended)....where is that multiple output, bigger pad Yamaha set? You must know something Simon! Nice video and great sound quality on soundcloud too! Excellent walk thru.
Just consider that only the heads of the tom pads will currently work. The tom input are wired differently so your current tom pads will be mono, not stereo. Apart from that everything else will work as expected.
@@edruminfo Do you expect Yamaha to put out an update to make the toms work in stereo? I want to upgrade my module without buying the Mimic Pro, but I don't want to sacrifice too much. I appreciate the heads-up!
@@edruminfo Do you think it's worth the upgrade? What all will I lose by giving up the DTXTREME IIS module in favor of the DTX-Pro? I'm not too concerned about losing the rim zones on my toms, but is that really all that I will lose? I just want to be absolutely positive that I'm making the right move. Thank you.
@@lonniehoover3340 I’m not sure if it’s technically possible. I’ll check. Regardless, it’s only the tom rims (which may be very important to you) - the heads will function as they do now.
Oh totally. You cannot even compare the two kits. The Pro is so much more powerful and better sounding then the 2S. This is your kit... on steroids... x2!
Okay . . . I've had this module for about two weeks now (and I own some Roland kits too) and some first impressions . . . 1) The customization capabilities are far beyond the 502 . . . that being said, they are pretty much close to the Roland TD-15 module of a few generations ago (although the Roland is synth voices, not sampled). The menus and not centralized which is very frustrating . . . you can tune a limited range from the INST menu at the top . . . but ALSO from the Voice menu which has it's OWN range?? Why not have TUNE be TUNE?? Instead of TWO different areas. 2) The EQ capabilities are EXCELLENT with both Voice, Kit and Headphone adjustments possible . . . but balancing the THREE messes with each other . . . uggh! 3) The recorded sample sounds are good, but very limited . . . it's the customizations that are the saving grace here . . . not the core samples . . . no Beech Custom, No PHX, No Maple Custom, No Recording Custom . . . pretty much JUST Absolute Hybrid . . . and a bunch of effects on the same core. Only a couple of snare core sounds . . . I REALLY hope they have plans to expand the core sound bank. 4) Simon is dead on . . . the Pad Lock button is VERY important . . . don't skip that step when customizing a voice / layers . . . oh, and don't forget to turn it off when your done LOL!!!. 5) Volume has it's own menu under kit edit for multiple things . . . but WHY?? Voice should be VOICE and EVERYTHING associated with modifying the VOICE which Roland makes much easier. To customize a pad, you have to go thru several menus back and forth to get what you want . . . in Roland, it's INSTRUMENT and ALL the instrument modifications are right there in one list. Then you go out modify global settings. Yamaha's are scattered under Utilities, Kit Edit, etc. By the way, the KP90 is WORTH THE UPGRADE !!! So much better than the old KP65!!! Even if you stay with a 502 . . . GET THE KP90 and your WHOLE Kit becomes SO much more fun . . . especially if you play "heel up" on your kick! 6) Stay AWAY from the KNOB adjustments UNTIL you have your User kit preferences dialed in!! They just ADD to the MESS!! Set EVERYTHING FLAT . . . select the voice closest to your liking for each pad . . . Then use VOICE EQ to make each voice as close to how you want it . . . THEN, set your voice volumes, THEN start your instrument effects . . . keep the global settings ALL neutral until your get that core sound . . . THEN start messing with the mix menu .. . LASTLY start putting in the effects and finally the full Kit EQ outputs. If you don't have a process for getting thru all of these settings, you will go crazy as every one affects the others . . . 7) The enclosed User manual is a JOKE . . . it's almost USELESS . . . Go get the REFERENCE MANUAL online, because it doesn't seem to come with the kit, and read THAT!!! Do I like this module . . . HELL YEAH! Is it easy to use right out of the box . . . yeah . . . but when you decide you really want to start making your own sounding kit . . . get ready for a LOT of tweaking!!!
Yes thanks for the input. I'm still on the fence about this kit. I really wanted 2-zone toms for my added percussion sounds. Just don't know. Also looking at Roland TD-27 but still 2500 to $3000 for these. Geez... BTW, how are the dynamics on the kit? Did you get the full foam pads or the rubber tom kit?
@@jeffgermanich8105 Hi Jeff . . . I have a full set of the silicon pads . . . XP80 for snare and floor tom, XP70s for Rack toms. I also have the rubber pads from an earlier Yamaha DTX 502 kit, but I hate them. The XP80s are three zone so you can do a lot with them. The XP70s I did not see separate voice options for the pad and rim like you have in the Rolands. But I am still learning this kit. The cymbals except for the Ride (which has three zones), seem single zone, the rolands had two zones with three on the ride. NOTE: Roland Pads DID work with this HOWEVER, you have to use a SINGLE pole line (like a regular guitar cord) . . . IF you use the Yamaha multi pole cables with the rolands, you get multi voice triggering. THAT being said . . . I tried out a Roland CY-5 Hi Hat pad with Roland FD-8 Hi Hat Pedal and it works PERFECTLY! A cool option.
I found out from a wiring video that the Roland Hi Hat uses TWO pole wiring (two wires instead of the normal three) in both the hi hat and hi hat controller wires . . . so that is why it had no problem with the Yamaha 502 or DTX Pro.
That's interesting regarding the Roland hi hat. I was thinking using Roland mesh pads instead of the Yamaha rubber pads. The tom inputs will take a 2 piezo pad. So this sounds good.
Okay . . . another update!! Today I tried my Roland 120 Kick Pad with the Yamaha DTX module and it worked GREAT!!! NO double triggering at all like with the Yamaha KP90. No the REAL Funny part . . . I tried the Yamaha KP90 with my Roland TD-15 and it ALSO worked GREAT . . . with NO double triggering!!! So currently I would say the Roland Kick works BETTER with the Yamaha DTX Pro than the Yamaha KP90 . . . AND the KP90 works BETTER with the Roland Module than the Roland does!!! Just note, the voltage sends must be a little different . . . when using the KP90 with the Roland, turn the volume dial down a little (the one ON the Pad itself) . . . when using the Roland with the Yamaha, turn the volume up on the module one notch.
Hi Simon, thank you for the time you spent learning the settings on this kit and for your ability to teach in an easy to follow method. I finished assembling my DTX6K3-X two days ago and I’m learning how to play. I’m curious if there is a repository of users favorite kits anywhere. With the possibility of 200 different user presets, I’m hoping some people have documented some of their favorites to share with us newbies.
Hi Doug. There was talk of this being set up, but it hasn't happened yet. But you don't need other peoples kits - make your own! Once you get into it, it isn't that hard, and you'll learn about sound production at the same time. Good luck
@@edruminfo Thanks for the reply, I was hoping for one or two favorites from professionals like you to get me started. I’m as green as they come when it comes to drums and some of this programming comes easier to me when I have an example or two to learn from.
@@Doughanour You’ve actually already got a load of my kits. I did a load of the programming of the presets of that module. I think if I sent you any of the ones I’ve been working on recently they might be a little bit too complicated, so probably best to start with the internal ones. You can copy them into any other location just by pressing the store button and selecting the new place you want to save it. Try that first.
Simon, this video is incredible. So detailed. Yamaha really owe you one as you've essentially created a how-to video for them. I'm a beginner. I own an acoustic kit bought used years ago and has been gathering dust. Recently decided to start learning so signed up to Drumeo. However, since covid, my wife permanently works from home so I cannot practice at times that suit me. So I need to go electronic. This kit is way more than I need and I'd probably need to become a semi decent intermediate player before I'd start to scratch the surface of this kit's capabilities. HOWEVER, I'm thinking that if I take the plunge with this, or similar priced set, the high cost spent will encourage me to commit to practice longer and harder. (We always find ways to justification our spluges). So as this kit has smaller pads, would you say this is a bad choice for a beginner? Most reviews I've seen suggest the only significant fault with this set is the small pad size for its price point. So if I can afford it, is this kit too much for a beginner? Or would you suggest I go for something far simpler? If so, any recommendations?
Thats very kind of you. What you may have missed is that I'm one of Yamaha European demonstrators and I also work in product development for them (but I'm not an employee), so I'm very familiar with these kits. I did this video off my own back, really to show how capable they are - its not a Yamaha video. I, of course, try all the competitions kits, so I'm familiar with everything on the market, which helps when planning. The pad size thing is mainly psychological - any decent drummer is only going to hit the centre of their drums anyway, so they get a consistent sound, so the pad size doesn't really wash with me - I want a great sounding kit over anything else. These kits would totally be good for a beginner - even though it is very capable, most users will only change kits and then use the Kit Modifier knobs to fine tune each kit. Most users will never get into the fine details (which is another reason why I wanted to do these videos - everyone responds to different ideas, so if I tried to show as much as possible, I had more chance of getting a few 'bullseyes') and that is fine - use what you need, rather than what you feel you should use. Thank you for watching, and reaching out - always nice to get a reaction!
Ah I hadn't realised you have an affiliation with Yamaha but still, this video is an invaluable resource tool for this very sofisticated module. I get what you're saying about pad sizes. If you feel a lot of people will only tweak the modifier knobs on the DTXPRO, do you think/know if Yamaha will be bringing out a simplified version of this module for the 4 or 5 series in the future?
@@3pointedshr Hi. I'm afraid I cant comment on future products. However, changing kits and moving 3 knobs (the modifiers) is hardly taxing. I cant really see a need to simplify this module more than it is - no one is forcing anyone to use the parts they don't need or understand. Thats the great thing - this module works for any ability, from complete beginner to much more experienced user. I did the UK Drum Show a couple of weekends ago, and many people were saying they liked how simple the Pro module was as they only had to change kits and then they had limitless ability to tweak the kits to their needs using the modifiers without touching anything else. You need to try it - its much simpler than I think you think it is!
@@edruminfo Hi Simon, thanks for the reply. Apologies I don't think I made my point very clear (my fault not yours). I was suggesting that as the DTX Pro module has so many features that only intermediate users and above would use, would Yamaha introduce a lesser version of the module for the 4 or 5 series of their future kits that only had the modifier section of the current DTX Pro module, thus stripping away a lot of the more advanced features? But reading your last response it seems the current module already covers everyone from beginer to above so no need for a dumbed down version. I'm going to call into my local drum shop this week. He has Yamaha kits for sale on his website so let's see how it goes.
If Yamaha created a line similar to the VAD Roland line with the DTX-PRO module it would be a clear winner and they could price it more aggressively than the VAD kits since they have a big production line for acoustic drums already.
Yes, but they are the only company on the planet who actually make shells packs, triggers, modules, cymbal pads, hardware and everything else you need to make your own. The only thing they don’t make is mesh heads. There’s nothing to stop you building a VAD style kit for considerably less money, which sounds great, you can have in ANY sizes and more finish options than the 706VAD. There’s nothing stopping you.
Fantastic presentation! I already bought the M12, because of one of your other video presentations. Now I am seriously considering this one. Gotta be careful what else I watch from your content. ;) But seriously: is there any way to reach you/buy a lesson from you? I have a lovely acoustic set and mics and all, so I would be interested in your help to build a user voice from it. You presented a superb one and I would really love to accomplish this myself. Thanks for the video!
This is a fantastic and factual breakdown of a complex piece of tech - thank you for putting in so much time and effort. One question I do have is whether the feel of the TCS toms is different to the TCS snare? No music shops near me have the model with the TCS toms to try out.
Thanks Giles. I haven't spent that much time with the TCS versions of the new pads yet (when Ive been using them, I didn't check the difference in feel) but if they are like the XP pads there will be 2 tensions of 12" (snare and tom) and the 10" pads will be between the two. So yes - snare is different to toms and 12 " tom will be different to 10" tom.
They're great provided you're not a lefty. Having purchased the kit and set the frame for a left handed user, I was very disappointed to find that the audio is backwards. As a lefty my hat is on my right and my floor tom on my left, yet the audio has them the other way round. This is a shame as the older, cheaper DTX4K had the ability to reverse this audio. Fine if you're right handed, but at the price it would be nice to switch the audio. As it is, all I can do is wear cheapo iems, as good iems have ear hooks designed for the right ears, as do headphones.
Great video Simon, pretty much single handedly sold me on the kit! In the manual it looks like you can plug in an external midi device to trigger sources not being triggered by the pads on the kit. How much control do you get over this? E.g. could I connect a DTX M12 and trigger the tom 1 rim and pad 3 input sources from it, while triggering the tom 1 head from the pad on the kit?
Hi Mark Thank you, pleased you enjoyed it. Yes, full MIDI functionality, so you can trigger (as you say) the rim of tom 1 from the M12 etc. The only think you can't do it trigger sounds which aren't linked to a pad zone ie you can't assign a sample to a midi note (say A1) and trigger it from the M12 as A1 isn't linked to an existing pad zone. I hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the very in'depth review. I am planning to go for this kit, although it seems there is not much availability all across Europe (both continental and insular) -- do you happen to know anything about this? Is there any place where to find information about when Yamaha is planning to resupply? Thank you
Hi. Thanks for watching. I know Gear4Music in the UK have a few in stock as do Thomann in Germany and I'm sure many other music stores can get some. There looks to be another shipment due 2-3 weeks judging by what some of the shops are saying on their sites.
Hi. I have a pretty massive sample library of my own, put together over years, but if I dont have something, I'll generally use Splice (www.splice.com). I'm pretty sure (99.9%) the trap hat came from there.
Really great video! Thanks. Would be really useful to understand the sound quality improvements and other improvements as compared to the older DTX900/700 or 502 drum modules?
Hi. Thanks for the comment. The audio quality is VERY different from the 502 and 900/700. It is MUCH better, and much more realistic. It is CD quality in comparison to MP3 (if that helps!).
Thanks Simon. Very good video, detailed and precise. I saw a discussions about silicon pads being actually quieter than normal mesh pads. Do you agree to that statement? I was thinking of buying a e-drum kit for practice as an acoustic is not an option due to noise considerations. One more question. Could this module work with other brand's pads and Cymbals; At the back of the unit there is the inputs for 14(?) pads some of which are double (two pads in one plug). How is that working?
Hi Mike. Yes, I would agree that silicone pads are quieter than most mesh pads - many mesh pads have a hi pitch rattle to them, where as silicone has a lower pitch and less impact sound. The module will work with other drum pads. However, the PRO will only work with Yamaha cymbal pads if you want 3 zones. Regarding the inputs, please look at the answer I gave to Gregory Haworth (below, depending on how RUclips is displaying on your device!) regarding the XP80 pads. Everything you need to know is in that answer.
Amazing video Simon. Wasn’t convinced before seeing your video and but now completely sold. Keep up the great work and looking forward to more EAD Vids as well. Could you upgrade to larger TCS Tom pads to the 10 or 12” with DTX module ? Will the new module work with the larger pads switching which are 3 zone TCS vs the single 7” ?
Thanks Michael. Yes, Its a very clever module. Very powerful. I'll get back onto the EAD videos as soon as I have time. DTX6 and the DTXPro are taking up quite a bit of time at the moment.
Love the video! Very accessible and detailed! I've been having difficulties figuring out adding custom samples, I seem to only be able to add one sample per voice slot on the DTX-PRO, I have libraries with the varying velocities per voice, but I can't find a way to add them in. If you could shine some insight it would be much appreciated, from your description it seems like I should be able to do a lot more but I can't figure it out.
Hi. You aren't the only one! I'll do a video on it soon which will hopefully show what you need. Its currently the most requested video, so as soon as time allows...!
@@s0nikover Yep, its actually 64MB. However, it's twice what the 'main rival' has. If it we're down to me, it would have a lot more, but it's not unfortunately.
thank you for the very in depth review. seems like a very significant upgrade from the previous yamaha module. i have a yamaha dtx900 series.... is it worth upgrading from the dtx900m module to the dtx pro module?
Hi Husin. It depends on what you need. If you need individual outputs and lots of midi facility then the 900 is still king (better midi facility than any other electronic kit on the market), but if you want real drum sounds, great sounding kits, amazing effects (particularly the sampled room ambience) then the PRO module is way ahead.
Excellent review Simon ! One thing I want to know that is it possible to fold the new DTX6X rack when we are not using it? How much space it needs when folded?
Can you make a review for Drumit Three or Five module? Also NUX recently launched a new line of edrums that seems to be sooo good, but there is no enough good info on youtube...
That's completely down to you - I cant answer that for you. You need to work out what is important to you - triggering, sounds, compatibility, sample import, stacking, sample/modelling etc, then go and try both kits, and most importantly listen to both kits. You wouldn't buy a car just depending on what a review said - you'd have to drive it and get a feel for it - and same with this if you're intending on spending a lot of time on it.
@@edruminfo Thank you, I wish that I was able to test them but unfortunately it’s not within my reach. For what I see Yamaha includes a hit hat stand but Roland comes with Bluetooth and bigger snare. Big decision for me, love both kits!
@@JohnnyAbe Its not quite as simple as snare size/Bluetooth. The DTX6 has sampled sounds (not modelled), twice as much sample memory, the ability to load multi layer samples, the Rec'n'share app (you need to check this if you dont know it but couldn't work over Bluetooth as Bluetooth is too slow) which will allow you to make drum video, practice, loop tracks etc, 3 zone snare, Cubase AI, 90 minutes recording, three 3 zone cymbals, EQ, Transient, Compression and Insertion effect for every pad, real room ambience... and thats about half of what it has that nothing else has. I appreciate you cant try stuff at the moment. Like I said, I cant make the decision for you, so make a list and see what stacks up for you (not anyone else!)
@@JohnnyAbe I'm gong to chime in here as I have several Roland Kits and the Yamaha 502 and DTX Pro. Both can be VERY enjoyable, BOTH require some tweaking with good headphones, but LOTS of tweaking with speaker/PA systems. Both have ambience, compression, velocity curve, EQ settings, etc. BOTH can give you machine gunning effects on rapid snare play (even with Yamaha Humanization on and Roland's SuperNatural). Pay attention to the PADS and Cymbals!!! I find the Yamaha silicone pads much more enjoyable to play for light velocity play. However, when you want to "rock out" . . . the Roland Mesh pads are much more rewarding in player feedback. I also find the velocity curve in the Yamaha's to be much more sensitive than the Rolands, the Yamaha's seem to "jump volume levels" as you raise and lower your velocity of play where as the Rolands were much smoother. The "sampled" sound of the Yamaha's sound more "authentic" to me over a PA system than the "modeled" Roland sounds . . . especially in the "toms" area. BOTH deliver outstanding percussion sounds for hybrid kit use. The Roland Cymbals are softer to play so I get less fatigue from tapping them and they are a little quieter. The Yamaha silicone pads are quieter than the Roland Mesh pads. To me, the best of both would be Yamaha silicon pads with Roland Cymbals LOL! The crosssticking on Yamaha is far superior to the Roland UNLESS you dedicate a pad or trigger to that voice. Roland "voices" have tone whereas the Yamahas each have three band EQ . . . Roland Toms have "snare buzz" you can add easily to make the kit sound more authentic. Yamaha's recorded rack tom sounds seem to include snare buzz and trying to EQ it out is a bit annoying because it's not there on the floor tom selections. For gigging Yamaha would be the way to go for me for one VERY important reason . . . it uses separate cables for each pad, Roland has a harness the breaks out into cables. If something goes wrong with that harness at a gig, you're dead. If a cable goes bad with the Yamaha, you just get an extra cable from your guitar player and you're back in business. LOTS to think about I know!! I hope this helps a little.
Hey Simon, first of all thanks for this really informative and well structured Video😃 During the video I noticed, that the cymbals sound very hard when you hit them. I always played acoustic kits and real cymbals have a specific way of how the sound builds up when you hit them. Can you tune the sound to make for example the Ride cymbal sound more like a big ‚washy‘ sounding Jazz Ride to reproduce a more realistic cymbal sound?🤔
Hi Chris. You can edit the cymbals in many, many ways, so yes, you can change them to be however you want. You can use any cymbal as anything, so if you want to make a pair of hi hats from some splashes, you can. If you want to make a very thin ride from a crash, you can. The options are endless. You can even take the bell from one cymbals, the bow from another and the edge from a third if that gets you the sound you want. The reason the cymbals sound 'hard' is that RUclips adds heavy compression onto all its videos to even up the sound, so even when I'm playing lightly, it will sound loud. Thats RUclips, not the kit.
Hi. Not always. It depends on the room that the drums are recorded in. Often the drums are close mic'ed and the room has ambience mics, just to pick up the sound/character of the room. Then the two are blended to make the final recorded drum sound. Most studios are quite dry sounding so the producer has flexibility to create the final sound, by using the close mic'ed drums, the room sound, and/or digital reverb or other FX. If drums are recorded in a big hard space, like a church, then there it is likely that the ambience would be loud enough to be heard down the microphones, but it would also be annoying as there would be no way of getting rid of the ambience. But going with the method above, the drum sound can be altered afterwards to make it more or less 'roomy', just like you can on the module.
@@edruminfo ambience from the french word meaning surrounding so wherever the drums are recorded a compressor will lift the sound into the mix even the close mics, thats in my 40 years exp of recording drums to tape and now present, you mean extra ambient reverb but at source there is always the space unless in an anechoic chamber but nobody drys it up that much, so you see extra surrounding space on top of where its already in
ps mixing the correct space on top is vital to know your reverbs too and the correct application of plates, as different compressors will vastly affect the outcome when mixing, yamaha have good engineers doing the samples though, i would always leave compression off though in the module as you cant undo it later when mixing, a little goes a long way esp when using verbs and commiting, good video
@@Bcwilderness Great! You know what you're talking about then! Yes - when these drums and cymbals were recorded, as I mentioned in the video, the rooms were also mic'ed. So what makes this kit different is every pad hit triggers 4 audio files - left and right close mics and left and right ambience channels. The ambience channels are the actual room recordings made at the same time as the sample hit (not after). So by changing the Ambience knob (1%-50%) amount you can add or subtract more or less room ambience for the whole kit by adding the distance mics. So what I mean to stress is it's not digital reverb, but 2 more simutaneaous audio files. With the Ambience knob you *can* also add digital reverb on top (51%-100%) if you want, but the main ambience is room audio from distance mics recorded at the same time as each hit. No, you're right, of course we avoided anechoic chambers (!), but the dry (no ambience sound) has very little room reflection. And yes, I agree, the engineers know what they are doing! Thanks for watching it. Simon
@@edruminfo yes they have come a long way for us drummers the last few years as guitarists have all the fun, im hoping to blend the outputs from this brain against the sound from ssd5 as some of the packs are superb and when the multi sensing snare comes out it should make a big diff, as a lot of live kits when recorded and mixed sound quite like a sampled kit anyway, but in the grand scheme of it the snare is the most important to have some different samples triggering, exciting stuff for sure, the ride is important though driving through a song internal dynamics are what the purists always argue over versus the machine gun effect of older drum brains, i will be biting the bullet on this lovely the weekend for sure, many thanks again :)
Very good video ! Did you notice some "machine gun" effect on the snare or the toms while you were playing ? I was on the edge of buying this module to upgrade my DTX532k, I must say this video convinced me !
Machine gunning is caused by too few samples or too much attack on the sound. The DTX6 has plenty of samples, so if you do hear machine-gunning it is down to there being too much attack on the sounds (which is made worse by RUclips's compression). However, on the DTX6 you have Transient adjustment, so you can turn down the attack to stop it machine gunning. I'm going to do a video on it soon (time allowing). So, to answer you question, if you do hear it, you can dial it out very easily.
I hope Simon comes out with a video soon about creating a multi layer sample type. Tried to create a 40 .wav snare file for the head. Didn't work the way I had hoped it would. Manual doesn't really explain it that well :)
Hey Jeff. The User Voices thing is not clear from the manual, but it's easy when you know how. I'll do a video as soon as time allows. I've got some great examples here, and I can finally have all the rare snares I've ever wanted in my (virtual) snare collection... as long as they crop up on a VSTi!
@@edruminfo That's great :) I was able to load in 40 wave samples ( 10 on zone A,B,C,and D). Each was recorded at a different velocity, but the module only plays maybe 10 of the 40. Very befuddled right now.
@@edruminfo Hello again. I was in the bank area of the user voice section and I can scroll through the 10 voices of each layer and they do go from soft to loud. The velocity range of each voice is set at the default of 0-127. I tried to guess what the velocity range of each wave file was and change each voice to a range, 0-3, 4-6, 7-10, etc. but that messes up each layer, So I left each of the 40 wave files at 0-127. Still not able to get all voices to play as I hear it in the edit voice-bank area. :(
This sounds really good to me. I'm using a 502 right now and was thinking of getting an EAD10 for my setup. Mic unit on my acoustic set, DTX562 kit plugged into the trigger inputs would be a nice versatile config for the two drum sets, I don't need all the trigger inputs since I use the Zildjian Gen16 cymbals.....Simon, are the EAD samples as good as the DTX Pro? I'd really like to use the EAD for the mic options on my Stage Custom but the better sounding samples for the ekit are more important to me.
Hi Bob. I’m afraid the DTXPRO samples are much better than the EAD ones. The EAD samples are just meant for reinforcing the sound of an acoustic kit, whereas the PRO samples are designed to replace the sounds of an acoustic kit. There is a big difference. There is also much more control in the PRO.
Hi. Thanks for getting in touch. I don't actually understand what you mean. These kits will work with any VSTi. The midi mapping on these is far more advanced than most other kits. I've used them with AD2, SD3, EZD2 and numerous others and all of them already have (or will have very soon) the correct midi maps inside the software so you won't need to change anything in the module. I hope that answers your question
I don't see how one can get 120 sounds on a 3 zone pad (assuming 40 per zone), when there are only 4 layers, and one sound per layer? I only come up with 12 sounds??
You are absolutely correct Jeff - in 'normal' Stack/Alt mode, it can do 4 layers on 3 zones of the same pad - 12 sounds. However, in User Voice mode you can load up to 120 sounds and the module sorts it out for you (assuming you have named, ordered them correctly) and allows you to do what you heard. Each of the 12 Stack/Alt sounds can be replaced with 10 samples. I'll do a video on how you do it when I get a chance, but yes, it does work!
Wow, I have been playing drums along time an use acoustic and ekits , every time I played my edrums and I’ve had nice roland and atv drums there was something that always bothered me about the feel of the drums and the sound coming out. So I got this drum set and when you deep dive into the setting you can get them to respond like a real kit. Hi hat is still tricky to get right but by far from the time I spent with them they are blowing me away on how they feel and sound. They are so close to the real thing.
Yeah, I had a Roland TD-9s for a few years. Definitely a great instrument, but the cymbals and hi-hat were always a little off somehow... The improvement I can hear in this kit is a huge deal for e-drums. That, and the flexibility and power, including adjustable, naturally captured room ambience and a huge amount of sample and FX chain control. The more I look into it, the more I want one!
The trick to getting the hi hats correct is to listen to them in a mix, not just by listening on headphones. Because we are usually very close to our hi hats, we have an expectation of what we want to hear from an electronic kit. But when you listen to them in a mix, you realise it is much less important than we, as drummers, think.
@@edruminfo Yeah, I usually ended up turning them down in relation to the rest of the kit which sounded better in recordings, but they still didn't have the level of expressiveness I see on display in this video. Also, when they wear out and start to misregister, crosstalk and the choke starts to deteriorate or trigger samples, it only gets worse.
@@ryo-kai8587 You will have to play the RHH135 for MANY years before it starts to wear out - I have one here that is one of the originals, and there is no loss in playability. I can assure you that the one I am using in the video is a standard version. I just spent a bit of time setting it up for my playing.
@@edruminfo I still have the RHH135 from my DTXpress IV SP2 kit, had no problem at all, even after 12 years, and no signs of wearing out actually. Considering buying this one or maybe the DTX8Kx ...
@@laurentlanglois3309 that would do. I know the aD5 well and it’s very good but you would miss the editing of the cymbals I think. Try it, let me know how you get on.
Thanks Simon. I’m just struggling with the fact that I cannot physically change the snare wire tension of my snare (I’m using XP100SD pad) with the DTX Pro module (my pad has a knob that I can roll). How can I get this feature with the DTX-PRO module?. I saw that the new snare pad (XP125SD) does not have this knob anymore.
The SD XP pads with the red knob only function with the 700, 900 and 502 modules. The reason this feature hasn't been added to the new modules is to do with the fact that not that many people used the feature, and also to do with sounds. When you turned the snares on and off with the red knob, depending on the module, you were turning a modelled snare wire sound on, not a sample. The modelled snare wires never sounded that realistic, so it compromised the snare sound. The new modules snares sounds are much more realistic because they are great samples in the first place. I do appreciate it is nice to turn a knob to turn the snares off, but if you need snares on and snares off versions of the same kit, just duplicate it and put different snare sounds on each version of the kit, and swap between the two using a spare pad or a pad function to swap between the two.
Aloha from Hawaii Simon. Just watched your video as I searched this ekit on RUclips. I sold my 532 kit and I'm looking to purchase this kit or the dtx8 kit. Lot's of great info in your video as well as in the comments. Are you using the 8" or a 12" pad in this video? Mahalo!
Hello from cold and wet UK! Not at all jealous!! 🙂Thank you. This is the DTX6K3-X kit so its the (7" head, 8" pad) XP70 tom pads and the (8" head, 10" pad) XP80 snare pad.
Thanks for great review. I have always been curious about how drum module plays their sound. My understanding is limited to seeing drum modules as "fat" mp3 players. I know how wrong i am in this statement 😂 but could you actually make a video explaining technology underneath modules? That could be useful for all of us. Words like polyphony make me a bit uncertain...i used to think that polyphony is something that relates only to 2000x mobile phones 😂 why to put a tone generator into a module?
Hi. Thank you. Yes there is but like many things it’s been held up because of the current situation. I don’t know when it will be released, but it is in development I understand.
@@kurtdeninger Thats because GB doesn't use the General Midi map for hi hats unlike Yamaha and almost everyone else. Plus, you cant change the MIDI map in GB so you'll have to change it in the DTX PRO. Plus GB doesn't have so many articulations as the DTX PRO so it won't be as good. I believe GB uses this mapping for hi hat so you'll have to change the midi notes in the module - Closed HH is 42, Pedal is 44 and Open is 46.
Love you videos, I have a question, do these drums rout to separate tracks using USB to the DAW or does it need to be routed by TRS and inputs to an interface? Thankyou
Hi. Thank you. The USB is stereo only (but at 24bit), but it is easy to separate out all the drums and record them as single channels. Have a read of this mikedolbear.com/seriously-wired/sw41-tracking-electronic-kit/
New question If someone could help. I noticed that if idial in the kit with the trigger settings where its perfect for my touch. If I go to another pre loaded drum kit it is way off. Please dumb the answer down so I could comprehend it.
Hi, the only thing I can think of is that, just like real instruments, the samples behave differently at different dynamics. A set of heavy hi hats will react differently to a set of light hi hat and that will reflect in the samples as a lighter cymbal will crash easier, and sooner than a heavy one. Also, each kit can have different volumes saved in it and this will also effect how a sound reacts.
@@edruminfo I remember you saying (in another video) that the first thing you should do is set the gain, velocity curves to your own preference (to calibrate the module to your softest - hardest hit range in your natural play style) Are you saying that cant be a global setting for all internal preset kits? Does that have to be done for all the preset kits? Or can the curve settings be auto-applied to all kits?
Hi. No there isn't because it is exactly how the tom sounded in the studio, set up on a kit, not isolated and sterile. It is not a modelled sound. The snare buzz was included to make the kits sound more realistic, just as would happen if you were playing an acoustic kit. Personally I think it really helps to make the kit sound much more realistic in a mix. If you want something without buzz, look at the acoustic-sounding electronic tom sounds on the module, as they won't have buzz, by their very nature.
Great presentation! Hoping that I will not bother you with my question,just want to ask you if the Pearl Tru Trac drum heads are compatible with Yamaha Dtx Pro module.
@@edruminfo Hi Simon! I really appreciate your prompt reply! I would also want to ask you if I can obtain 4 sounds (Stack/Alt,Layering) for each single pad (head) when I will conect the Pearl Tru Trac pads with Yamaha Dtx Pro drum module,using mono instrument cable.
@@dlcro6112 Yes, that is a function of the module, so any pads you plug in will have that functionality. Everything I show on this video will be available to you, but with your choice of pads.
Simon my dtx pro module sounds terrible compared to my roland td17 or td25 , hi hats are so trashy and toms are so boomy, ive done a factory reset but same it takes hours to get any of the kits to sound good, any advice?
Hi Sanj P. I think you may have got this the wrong way around. Let me explain. Am I correct in thinking that you own or have owned Roland kits before? Am I correct in thinking that you dont play an acoustic drum kit very often? What I think the issue is that you are used to Roland sounds. Roland use something called physical modelling (which was partly invented by Yamaha) and Roland have given it many names over the year - COSM (Composite Object Sound Modelling), Super Natural Audio, Pure Acoustic Modelling, Prismatic Audio and so on - but it is based on the same method. Modelling uses created audio - synthesised sounds which are layered together (a tone for the top head, a tone for the bottom head, a bit of noise for snare wire buzz etc etc) but there is usually NO real sounds in there (no samples, or occasionally an incredibly small part of a sample). It gives a very clean, and adjustable drum sound, but all the sounds in a modelled module are made with the same 'parts' or components. Modelling needs very little storage space as there is really no real drum 'waveforms' stored. Everyone else (with the exception of ModoDrums by IK Multimedia) uses samples for their sounds. Samples are hundreds (or thousands) or digital recordings of real drum and cymbal sounds). You hit the pad and the module plays back the sample closest in dynamics to what you need, with your added adjustments. Samples take a lot of space and you need hundreds of samples for each new instrument. So one method is the real thing (samples), and the other method is synthesised (modelling). I have come across it before where users who are so used to modelled sounds dont like sampled sounds (even though they are 'real') because they have got so used to modelled sounds. When I am programming for artists (which is my 'day job') I have often been bought in to make the drums sound better on a production (have a look at eDrumInfo.com to see who these are) . In all these situations, we have NEVER ended up using the modelled sound - we ALWAYS end up using samples (usually a VSTi plug in like Superior Drummer or Addictive Drums). Modelled sound might sound great at home through headphones, but through a big PA in a stadium, modelled sounds can sound very thin and weak. Samples always sound fuller, and more real, and importantly, more instant. So while you might prefer modelled sounds (and there is nothing wrong with that), all electronic kits (apart from Roland), VSTi plugs ins like Addictive Drums, Superior Drummer, Ezdrummer etc - use samples of real instruments. But if you dont like the sounds of real drums and cymbals as they were recorded, the module offers loads and loads of ways of changing that sound to get what you want. Toms too 'boomy'? You can make the toms less boomy by reducing the decay and filtering the mid frequencies. Cymbals too 'big' sounding? You can make the cymbal sound more like modelled cymbals by removing all the low end frequencies with a High Pass Filter from around 500Hz. Dont like a kit sound? You can tune everything, choose different samples, load your own samples. I assume that you bought a DTXpro because you liked the sounds on a video or when you tried it? As such there is nothing 'wrong' with the sound - you are just used to something different - a more processed, and less 'real' sound. Maybe you find it more difficult to use than your TD25 or 17, but I guarantee it will sound more realistic in a mix - I can spot a modelled sound in a mix pretty easily. That module gives you everything you need to get a more processed sound if you need it. It is an incredibly powerful module. And lastly, make sure you are using a good quality headphone or speaker system. Some ekits are optimised for cheaper headphones, but dont sound good on speakers. The DTXpro is optimised to sound like an acoustic drum kit in a mix. You can make it sound different if you want - as processed as you might want - but the module is immensely powerful. Spend a bit of time with it, and you'll see what I mean.
Yes. Pretty much every electronic kit with a separate bass drum pad can handle a double pedal. The benefit of the KP90 is it feels great. Really great.
Hi. Do you mean does the click sync to the loop? No it doesn't - you have to hit it in time and in the right place. You would need a computer to sync to loops on the fly - something like Ableton. Whenever I'm playing to a loop in the video, I am playing to the click (IIRC), but the loop is exactly the correct tempo, and I'm starting the loop as accurately as I possibly can.
Simon can you load a multi layer VST sample into toms and cymbals or just the snare? If so is there enough memory to create a whole kit (I assume 64 MB)? Thanks for this great video I am loving the DTX6.
Hi. Yes, you can load whatever you want, wherever you want, but you WILL run out of memory pretty quickly. However, I'd only really use multilayer sample import for snare drums (if at all) and only if there was a particular character of snare that I felt I needed, as the DTX-PRO module has more power than most VSTi's. Every channel has pitch, decay (plus a load more fine adjustments), EQ, transient adjustment, compression and then each kit has the ambience, effect and compression on top. You can make one internal drum or cymbal sound like an almost infinite range of instruments.
@@edruminfo Thanks so much for getting back to me. It is much appreciated. I’ll stick to the snare for multi layered samples and concentrate on stacking instruments and editing internal sounds for creating custom kits. Great playing by the way, it is one more reason your videos are a pleasure to watch.
@@rsweeney6198 Thats very kind of you. I get to work with loads of great drummers who I get to watch close up, so I'm not sure I personally agree with you, but very kind all the same! Thank you.
@@edruminfo you’ve been incredibly helpful thank you Simon. I actually can’t get Yamaha to answer a few questions on customer support they are contacting Japan. I noticed that just under utility/ general/ midi local is humanize. It’s default mode is set to on. Wouldn’t I want it set to off? Humanize as far as I understand it is when midi in information is quantized and running the model and displaces notes to give it a human feel. Is there a USB midi in on DTX pro? It seems utterly useless if there is no midi in. I would hate to be playing and having the DTX move my hits in some random fashion. I guess simply put set humanize to on or off while just playing? I also noticed in instrument effect you can put a completely different insertion fx for every instrument and still use the fx 1 or fx 2 plus the master fx. Didn’t know if you noticed that. Still not sure how to just simply playback to wav files off usb stick without recording. Just want to playback and play along not record. Also not sure how to stack sounds so that they alternate or only play at a certain velocity but I am digging around and hopeful I will figure it out. I’ve figured out how to control voice volume and pitch. Thank goodness for your videos. The manual and reference guide leave a lot to be desired. Best - Greg
@@rsweeney6198 No, you want Humanize ON. Its not midi timing, it is dynamics - if you play the same note, when Humanize is on, it will vary the dynamics to give a different sound. It adds variation. Nothing to do with timing! USB does midi in and out, simultaneously. I have been heavily involved in the module development, so yes, I know how the effects work - its pretty impressive and goes way over what most people will use... ever! To playback a wav file, put it on the USB drive and insert it. Press Recorder. Find the file. Press Play (not record). Easy. Stack/Alt is more difficult to explain. I did a video on it before the DTX6 came out but not sure if it is released yet (for various reasons). Go to Kit Edit, Voice, then press TRG (F3). That gives you access to the layers. You need to lock the layer you are working on (F2) and change them with F1. To change the sound on each layer, lock it and press Exit. This takes you back to voice selection for the layer you locked. To limited velocity range, scroll ALL the way down the many Voice pages until you find VelHi and VelLo. These set the ranges of the voices individually.
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I just bought the DTX6. It`s excellent. My favourite thing about it is the training functions. The Rhythm Gate and Triplet Gate functions are the best thing that`s ever happened to my drumming. It`s like having a personal trainer who is brutally honest and precise in its judgement. It`s cleaning up my playing and showing my weaknesses like nothing I have ever tried. I wish I had this technology years ago. It tracks all my strikes on the snare, HH, BD, toms, and crashes simultaneously and gives a % accuracy read out at the end of the timed exercise. Ripping cool. Don`t hesitate to buy this kit or one of the other higher end kits. The silicone pads feel amazing too and I love the zones and positional sensing on the cymbals.
I think that Simon is one of the best instructors/ teachers on this planet. His tips and instructions helped me more than any Manual. I strongly recomend watching his videos.
Finally a TRUE and REAL and COMPLETE Deep Review of an instrument! This is not for ordinary users, but if you are a musictech nerd or just want to really know about this instrument...this is the video for you! Thanks bro!!!
Thank you David
Holy crap... that sounds freaking amazing.
It’s a very clever module!
ofcourse these drums are taken from the freakn Genos
Simon, thanks heaps. Im a beginner and just bought this kit. Super happy, this kit is way better than anything Alesis/Roland offers.
Finally, a video with a real explanation and samples of this new module . . .
Thank you Bill
@@williamperri3437 Actually that was originally a preset kit but it was easier if I said I'd done it so I changed it very slightly. The original acoustic drum sound is shortened to make sure it doesn't decay longer than the gated sound 'tail'. It was shortened just by using the decay function. Its easy to lengthen it again. However, you dont have total control over the gate reverb length but its easy to use combinations of fx to make it sound like it is longer. That is just one instance of gated reverb. You could put another onto the other FX processor and layer both, or choose something else which compliments it.
Sounds far better than anything Roland currently offers!
Disagree . . . I have both . . . the kits in each really suck . . . but, if you spend the time tweaking . . . the rewards are there!
@@wuffb Yeah the presets aren't always that great. Tweaking helps, but sometimes just making your own user kit automatically sounds better without making too many changes.
@@YTPewp I should have clarified, you are correct . . . I never use the preset kits ... always build my own user kits :)
@@wuffb Agreed 👍
@Wendy Williams were you able to get good sounding almost acoustic kits without all the gay Reverb?
Yamaha makes the BEST of everything. Motorcycles, acoustic drums, electric bass guitars, electronic drums...
Excellent video Simon. Great explanation of digital FX and other editing capabilities that are often quite difficult for the average user to grasp or understand at all.
Thanks Andy!
Finally, a DTX video.
More DTX tutorial please.
Multi 12, 900, etc.
Well done Simon: A clear, concise informed production.
Thanks Terry!
Simon, it's done! After all these years, the kit that started as a DTXplorer is now finished. RS40 rack, 3-PCY135 cymbals, RHH135 HH, XP100 snare, 3 - XP80 toms, KP65 kick and received today, my DTX-Pro module. Now to figure out how to program the module. With all the time it’s going to take to do this, I’m glad I’m retired 🙂. Unlike the DTX502 which had on the fly Maple, Birch, Beech & Oak kits, I have to look into how to get these kits on the Pro.
İ still have dtxplorer and not sure if i can just replace the module or should i sell dtxplorer and get this new dtx6k
Impressive module. Well explained. Very impressive, very well explained.
Thank you
Love my DTX Pro. Very musical.
The best in the business! If Simon doesn’t know, you don’t need too either 👍
I’m definitely considering buying just the module. However I’m worried if I do they will release versions of the dtx700/900 series modules with these same features but have direct outs that I need for playing live. The sounds are really good . I like the EAD-10 style control scheme as well
Fab video, Simon, thank you! :-) Seriously considering the DTX6 - either the k2-x or the k3-x, for home use. I've dabbled on drums a bit over the years and only really started taking it seriously - on an entry-level Roland kit - in December 2020. I've already done loads of practice - on rudiments and playing along with lots of different tracks (getting up to about Trinity Grade 4 level). I've still got loads of things to learn and improve but feel I already need something with a bit more control and dynamic range. The DTX6 looks like it could do the job, so thanks for your superb guided video tour. :-)
Thanks for that Simon, I've watched this a good few times and just swapped out my dtx700 module for the pro today, pretty much thanks to you! The sound difference is insane!. I'm just a beginner so even this is probably overkill for what I need, but I will miss a few functions from the 700, e.g. the easily accessible mixer. Having said that, I'm enamored with the sounds straight out of the box - can't wait to dig deeper into it.
Hi, do you have any regrets on swapping out the DTX700? I am in the same situation and looking to do the same.
@@michaelreilly4920 I did it and this module sounds a lot better, but less functions, simpler and faster.
Excellent overview, Simon! Really appreciate the time and detail you put into this.
Fantastic video. Super in-depth. You may have just sold me on that kit. Love how easy it is to record. Thank you.
Thank you. No problem. It is a pretty clever kit. I agree about the recording - I don't think many drummers realise how easy it is.
Okay . . . so now I have had the module for about a month now . . . and here are my current observations . . . 1) XP80 pads are FAR more enjoyable to play than the rubber or XP70s. Now the XP80s are THREE Zone, so when you connect them to the TOM inputs, expect some MULTI Voice triggering . . . no problem, just use the INDV Voice in the Voice edit menu and set the Rims to (No Assign). Then the XP80 will function like a regular XP70 tom. 2) I stand by my first comment in that the silicone pads are NOT as comfortable to play as the Roland Mesh Pads. If you play light, you will LOVE the silicone pads for their response, feel and comfort, but if you try to ROCK OUT, the shock from harder strokes on the rims really become fatiguing almost painful after a about an 1/2 hour of play. 3) The KP90 is great IF you like to heel up and lay into your kick drum, but if you look closely at the pad, it "bulges outward" unlike the KP65 or 100 or Rolands . . . that "bulge out" can cause a bunch of double triggering EVEN when you have the "MinLevel" set to 10 or below. Have moved beater head location OFF CENTER and it seems to have greatly reduced the double triggers. 4) I have found that using the SAME voice at Different Tunings creates a far smoother tom group than following the Instrument SIZE differentials AHM 10 or 12 etc. 5) LOVE the Layering!!! You really can "round out" your INSTRUMENT sound by adding just a layer or two and tweaking the voice filters. 6) Have almost eliminated "machine gunning" of the snare and am SO happy with that vs. the Roland SuperNatural. It required layering of THREE snare sounds, setting different EQs for each, of course having "humanize" in ON position and setting sensitivities at different levels. It's like having the pad trigger three snares with different release and transients at the same time and the overlap creates just enough "imperfection" to sound real. It's still there a little, but you have to REALLY listen for it. 7) Dump "The Rack" right away, set up the pads and cymbals on "stands" so you can space the drums wider and closer to your acoustic setup. It really makes the kit more fun and natural to play. 8) The Roland CY-5 high hat works with the Yamaha HH Control pedal and is more comfortable to play than any of the Yamaha Hi Hat setups I tried. 9) Oh yeah, and be prepared to change ALL of these settings when you move from headphones to PA speakers LOL . . . but that's the same with all E-Kits. For Reference, I am using Sennheiser HD25 Headphones and EV ZLX-15BT Speakers. I have also used Roland Mesh Pads with this module . . . the key is NOT to use the Yamaha Cables with the Roland Pads, use regular guitar cables (eliminates the multi voice pad triggering, but also locks you into one voice per pad. Roland Ride Cymbal does NOT work with this module effectively because Roland uses different cables for Bell and Bow. Yamaha has one cable for both. Which by the way makes setting up for a gig easier. Can't tell you how many times in low light I put the wrong Roland cable in the wrong socket and had to redo the connection LOL!! Please note: I am NOT a product expert, I am a user who is just sharing what I have found from a "user" perspective!
Amazing information. How would anyone give this a thumbs down?
Thanks Steve. You always get *some* people I'm afraid...! Thanks for watching.
a brilliant video, Simon; a very informative tutorial
Thank you John.
very great and comprehensive video. I think the sample import features especially interest me as i'm very into creating my own instruments and sounds on my strike kit, but the amount of customization you have over the sounds is far superior to anything else at this price point, definitely going to purchase a dtx pro when possible.
Many Thanks Simon for your deepeing.I'm an enthusiastic owner of DTX700: maybe is it time to change???😉
Brilliantly made video. Thanks
Thank you!
I was close to pulling the trigger on a Td-17kvx but this video honestly blows me away im not too sure anymore.
@need more reps yeah ive kinda decided to go with a 27kv instead but I really like this new module still.
Very well explained and too dip information about the product. This video is very useful for me to understand the product an its functionality.
Thanks Simon.
Thank you
Wow, best video of the dtx6 I've seen. I'm waiting for my dtx6 k3. Thanks for this video!! One question, your imported sample of the snare off snare, is just a wav? Or is a multilayer sample? It sounds amazing. If with just a wav the module can "work" with it at the differents speeds it really blew my mind.
Hi. Thank you. It's 'just' 90 individual wav files. I used 10 layers and 3 repeating samples (often called 'round robins'), so 30 samples on the head and 30 on each rim. I'm going to do a video when I get time on how to load them in. Its not complicated but it needs explaining.
@@edruminfo Thanks a lot. Subscribed to your channel and waiting to put my hands on the module. Seems to be really powerfull, specifically in this price range!
@@edruminfo Please do produce that video!
Very clear explanation, I watch a few time to learn dtxpro. Very useful! Thanks Simon!
Thank you Kang!
Wow, I think this kit sounds fantastic!
Not fantastic, just decent enough for not going for vst...
Wow! Just wow! Sir what a great production! I'm sold!
Thank you! Its a great module. Have you seen the other video about mesh pads?
@@edruminfo yes of course! I'm really considering it instead of the td17kvx
@@LDdrums20 Well at least with this module you would get real drum samples rather than synthesised, modelled sounds, plus the room ambience is actual recorded studio ambience, not just digital reverb, and there's many more reasons why this sounds so good.
I'm not really worried about the sound but being a semi professional for many years playability is key to me and I've heard mixed opinions on the pads. Being objective I cannot spend top of the line money right now and this kit checks all my requirements for a first electronic kit either way. So probably this one is going to be the one for me.
@@LDdrums20 Are you using VSTi's for sounds then, or something else? If you haven't tried the pads, you really need to - they spent 7 years getting the feel correct. Its more obvious on larger pads, but you'll get the idea from the smaller ones too
Very well done in depth review, with the added benefit of actually hearing lots of different kits. If I had only watched Yamaha promotional material I'd never imagine the module was this great.
Thank you Andre. I'm afraid it is me in quite a bit of the promotional stuff too, which is why I wanted to do this as well. The situation in 2020 rather messed things up as far as the launch was concerned so we could not do exactly what had been planned. I have a few stories about that time period but not for here I'm afraid. It really was rather difficult to get it all sorted. Pleased you like it. Thanks
I really hope Yamaha renames this range of kits "DTX6 Compact Series" and launch a new "DTX6 Large Series" with 12 or 14in snares, 10/12in toms. As much as I love the module, I'll never buy this current small pads configuration.
@@andreoproprio no one is forcing you to buy the pads! Maybe wait and see...
@@edruminfo Yeah I know... But is DTX Pro compatible with pads from other brands? I'd be a happy man if it does!
@@andreoproprio you can plug piezo/piezo pads into the tom and snare inputs. So yes for those. For cymbals you’ll have to use Yamaha pads or use a eDRUMin if you want to use other pads.
Wow, amazing video! Very informative, covered everything I needed to know and even much more. Even though I'm not buying the full kit (only dtx pro module), this was very helpfull. Thank you!
Good. I'm pleased it was useful.
@@edruminfo Sooooo, Roland had a huge push/roll out this week (no pun intended)....where is that multiple output, bigger pad Yamaha set? You must know something Simon!
Nice video and great sound quality on soundcloud too!
Excellent walk thru.
@@cbowerman2851 Announcements like that aren't usually made in the comments section of a RUclips video...
@@edruminfo OH well, worth a try
Awesome demonstration. Thank you!
Thank you Robert
Thoroughly done and thoroughly enjoyed. My compliments to you fine Sir
Thank you Michael. Much appreciated
I'm convinced! I'm ordering this to hook my DTXTREME IIS pads up to! Cheers!
Just consider that only the heads of the tom pads will currently work. The tom input are wired differently so your current tom pads will be mono, not stereo. Apart from that everything else will work as expected.
@@edruminfo Do you expect Yamaha to put out an update to make the toms work in stereo? I want to upgrade my module without buying the Mimic Pro, but I don't want to sacrifice too much. I appreciate the heads-up!
@@edruminfo Do you think it's worth the upgrade? What all will I lose by giving up the DTXTREME IIS module in favor of the DTX-Pro? I'm not too concerned about losing the rim zones on my toms, but is that really all that I will lose? I just want to be absolutely positive that I'm making the right move. Thank you.
@@lonniehoover3340 I’m not sure if it’s technically possible. I’ll check. Regardless, it’s only the tom rims (which may be very important to you) - the heads will function as they do now.
Oh totally. You cannot even compare the two kits. The Pro is so much more powerful and better sounding then the 2S. This is your kit... on steroids... x2!
Amazing dreamy drums and sound, great overview!
Great Informative Video!
Thank you!
great info
Thank you
Okay . . . I've had this module for about two weeks now (and I own some Roland kits too) and some first impressions . . . 1) The customization capabilities are far beyond the 502 . . . that being said, they are pretty much close to the Roland TD-15 module of a few generations ago (although the Roland is synth voices, not sampled). The menus and not centralized which is very frustrating . . . you can tune a limited range from the INST menu at the top . . . but ALSO from the Voice menu which has it's OWN range?? Why not have TUNE be TUNE?? Instead of TWO different areas. 2) The EQ capabilities are EXCELLENT with both Voice, Kit and Headphone adjustments possible . . . but balancing the THREE messes with each other . . . uggh! 3) The recorded sample sounds are good, but very limited . . . it's the customizations that are the saving grace here . . . not the core samples . . . no Beech Custom, No PHX, No Maple Custom, No Recording Custom . . . pretty much JUST Absolute Hybrid . . . and a bunch of effects on the same core. Only a couple of snare core sounds . . . I REALLY hope they have plans to expand the core sound bank. 4) Simon is dead on . . . the Pad Lock button is VERY important . . . don't skip that step when customizing a voice / layers . . . oh, and don't forget to turn it off when your done LOL!!!. 5) Volume has it's own menu under kit edit for multiple things . . . but WHY?? Voice should be VOICE and EVERYTHING associated with modifying the VOICE which Roland makes much easier. To customize a pad, you have to go thru several menus back and forth to get what you want . . . in Roland, it's INSTRUMENT and ALL the instrument modifications are right there in one list. Then you go out modify global settings. Yamaha's are scattered under Utilities, Kit Edit, etc. By the way, the KP90 is WORTH THE UPGRADE !!! So much better than the old KP65!!! Even if you stay with a 502 . . . GET THE KP90 and your WHOLE Kit becomes SO much more fun . . . especially if you play "heel up" on your kick! 6) Stay AWAY from the KNOB adjustments UNTIL you have your User kit preferences dialed in!! They just ADD to the MESS!! Set EVERYTHING FLAT . . . select the voice closest to your liking for each pad . . . Then use VOICE EQ to make each voice as close to how you want it . . . THEN, set your voice volumes, THEN start your instrument effects . . . keep the global settings ALL neutral until your get that core sound . . . THEN start messing with the mix menu .. . LASTLY start putting in the effects and finally the full Kit EQ outputs. If you don't have a process for getting thru all of these settings, you will go crazy as every one affects the others . . . 7) The enclosed User manual is a JOKE . . . it's almost USELESS . . . Go get the REFERENCE MANUAL online, because it doesn't seem to come with the kit, and read THAT!!! Do I like this module . . . HELL YEAH! Is it easy to use right out of the box . . . yeah . . . but when you decide you really want to start making your own sounding kit . . . get ready for a LOT of tweaking!!!
Wow! Thanks for the detailed report Bill!
Yes thanks for the input. I'm still on the fence about this kit. I really wanted 2-zone toms for my added percussion sounds. Just don't know. Also looking at Roland TD-27 but still 2500 to $3000 for these. Geez...
BTW, how are the dynamics on the kit? Did you get the full foam pads or the rubber tom kit?
@@jeffgermanich8105 Hi Jeff . . . I have a full set of the silicon pads . . . XP80 for snare and floor tom, XP70s for Rack toms. I also have the rubber pads from an earlier Yamaha DTX 502 kit, but I hate them. The XP80s are three zone so you can do a lot with them. The XP70s I did not see separate voice options for the pad and rim like you have in the Rolands. But I am still learning this kit. The cymbals except for the Ride (which has three zones), seem single zone, the rolands had two zones with three on the ride. NOTE: Roland Pads DID work with this HOWEVER, you have to use a SINGLE pole line (like a regular guitar cord) . . . IF you use the Yamaha multi pole cables with the rolands, you get multi voice triggering. THAT being said . . . I tried out a Roland CY-5 Hi Hat pad with Roland FD-8 Hi Hat Pedal and it works PERFECTLY! A cool option.
I found out from a wiring video that the Roland Hi Hat uses TWO pole wiring (two wires instead of the normal three) in both the hi hat and hi hat controller wires . . . so that is why it had no problem with the Yamaha 502 or DTX Pro.
That's interesting regarding the Roland hi hat. I was thinking using Roland mesh pads instead of the Yamaha rubber pads. The tom inputs will take a 2 piezo pad. So this sounds good.
Okay . . . another update!! Today I tried my Roland 120 Kick Pad with the Yamaha DTX module and it worked GREAT!!! NO double triggering at all like with the Yamaha KP90. No the REAL Funny part . . . I tried the Yamaha KP90 with my Roland TD-15 and it ALSO worked GREAT . . . with NO double triggering!!! So currently I would say the Roland Kick works BETTER with the Yamaha DTX Pro than the Yamaha KP90 . . . AND the KP90 works BETTER with the Roland Module than the Roland does!!! Just note, the voltage sends must be a little different . . . when using the KP90 with the Roland, turn the volume dial down a little (the one ON the Pad itself) . . . when using the Roland with the Yamaha, turn the volume up on the module one notch.
Hey, can you tell more about that double triggering issue,? Thanks
I solved it by increasing threshold see below @@lifebeautiful6309
Hi Simon, thank you for the time you spent learning the settings on this kit and for your ability to teach in an easy to follow method. I finished assembling my DTX6K3-X two days ago and I’m learning how to play. I’m curious if there is a repository of users favorite kits anywhere. With the possibility of 200 different user presets, I’m hoping some people have documented some of their favorites to share with us newbies.
Hi Doug. There was talk of this being set up, but it hasn't happened yet. But you don't need other peoples kits - make your own! Once you get into it, it isn't that hard, and you'll learn about sound production at the same time. Good luck
@@edruminfo Thanks for the reply, I was hoping for one or two favorites from professionals like you to get me started. I’m as green as they come when it comes to drums and some of this programming comes easier to me when I have an example or two to learn from.
@@Doughanour You’ve actually already got a load of my kits. I did a load of the programming of the presets of that module. I think if I sent you any of the ones I’ve been working on recently they might be a little bit too complicated, so probably best to start with the internal ones. You can copy them into any other location just by pressing the store button and selecting the new place you want to save it. Try that first.
@@edruminfo Thanks again for the reply, I will try that later, for now I will use the internal kits to learn how to play.
Simon, this video is incredible. So detailed. Yamaha really owe you one as you've essentially created a how-to video for them.
I'm a beginner. I own an acoustic kit bought used years ago and has been gathering dust. Recently decided to start learning so signed up to Drumeo. However, since covid, my wife permanently works from home so I cannot practice at times that suit me.
So I need to go electronic. This kit is way more than I need and I'd probably need to become a semi decent intermediate player before I'd start to scratch the surface of this kit's capabilities.
HOWEVER, I'm thinking that if I take the plunge with this, or similar priced set, the high cost spent will encourage me to commit to practice longer and harder. (We always find ways to justification our spluges).
So as this kit has smaller pads, would you say this is a bad choice for a beginner?
Most reviews I've seen suggest the only significant fault with this set is the small pad size for its price point.
So if I can afford it, is this kit too much for a beginner? Or would you suggest I go for something far simpler? If so, any recommendations?
Thats very kind of you. What you may have missed is that I'm one of Yamaha European demonstrators and I also work in product development for them (but I'm not an employee), so I'm very familiar with these kits. I did this video off my own back, really to show how capable they are - its not a Yamaha video. I, of course, try all the competitions kits, so I'm familiar with everything on the market, which helps when planning. The pad size thing is mainly psychological - any decent drummer is only going to hit the centre of their drums anyway, so they get a consistent sound, so the pad size doesn't really wash with me - I want a great sounding kit over anything else. These kits would totally be good for a beginner - even though it is very capable, most users will only change kits and then use the Kit Modifier knobs to fine tune each kit. Most users will never get into the fine details (which is another reason why I wanted to do these videos - everyone responds to different ideas, so if I tried to show as much as possible, I had more chance of getting a few 'bullseyes') and that is fine - use what you need, rather than what you feel you should use. Thank you for watching, and reaching out - always nice to get a reaction!
Ah I hadn't realised you have an affiliation with Yamaha but still, this video is an invaluable resource tool for this very sofisticated module.
I get what you're saying about pad sizes.
If you feel a lot of people will only tweak the modifier knobs on the DTXPRO, do you think/know if Yamaha will be bringing out a simplified version of this module for the 4 or 5 series in the future?
@@3pointedshr Hi. I'm afraid I cant comment on future products. However, changing kits and moving 3 knobs (the modifiers) is hardly taxing. I cant really see a need to simplify this module more than it is - no one is forcing anyone to use the parts they don't need or understand. Thats the great thing - this module works for any ability, from complete beginner to much more experienced user. I did the UK Drum Show a couple of weekends ago, and many people were saying they liked how simple the Pro module was as they only had to change kits and then they had limitless ability to tweak the kits to their needs using the modifiers without touching anything else. You need to try it - its much simpler than I think you think it is!
@@edruminfo Hi Simon, thanks for the reply. Apologies I don't think I made my point very clear (my fault not yours). I was suggesting that as the DTX Pro module has so many features that only intermediate users and above would use, would Yamaha introduce a lesser version of the module for the 4 or 5 series of their future kits that only had the modifier section of the current DTX Pro module, thus stripping away a lot of the more advanced features?
But reading your last response it seems the current module already covers everyone from beginer to above so no need for a dumbed down version.
I'm going to call into my local drum shop this week. He has Yamaha kits for sale on his website so let's see how it goes.
Quick update: called into my local drum shop.............order placed.
Dude, these kits sounds so much better than the roland ones
It captures the ghost notes accurately.
If Yamaha created a line similar to the VAD Roland line with the DTX-PRO module it would be a clear winner and they could price it more aggressively than the VAD kits since they have a big production line for acoustic drums already.
Yes, but they are the only company on the planet who actually make shells packs, triggers, modules, cymbal pads, hardware and everything else you need to make your own. The only thing they don’t make is mesh heads. There’s nothing to stop you building a VAD style kit for considerably less money, which sounds great, you can have in ANY sizes and more finish options than the 706VAD. There’s nothing stopping you.
@@edruminfo Yes that is what i am thinking of doing dtx pro + yamaha cymbals and a diy drum kit with mesh heads + triggers.
This is fantastic, thank you.
Thanks Kelly! Thank you for watching
Fantastic presentation! I already bought the M12, because of one of your other video presentations. Now I am seriously considering this one. Gotta be careful what else I watch from your content. ;)
But seriously: is there any way to reach you/buy a lesson from you? I have a lovely acoustic set and mics and all, so I would be interested in your help to build a user voice from it. You presented a superb one and I would really love to accomplish this myself.
Thanks for the video!
This is a fantastic and factual breakdown of a complex piece of tech - thank you for putting in so much time and effort. One question I do have is whether the feel of the TCS toms is different to the TCS snare? No music shops near me have the model with the TCS toms to try out.
Thanks Giles. I haven't spent that much time with the TCS versions of the new pads yet (when Ive been using them, I didn't check the difference in feel) but if they are like the XP pads there will be 2 tensions of 12" (snare and tom) and the 10" pads will be between the two. So yes - snare is different to toms and 12 " tom will be different to 10" tom.
@@edruminfo thank you for sharing
Awesome video and review! Thanks
Thanks for watching, Mark!
I want this module so bad but may hold on and see if yamaha bring out a bigger model. 7" pads for live work isn't fun!
They're great provided you're not a lefty. Having purchased the kit and set the frame for a left handed user, I was very disappointed to find that the audio is backwards. As a lefty my hat is on my right and my floor tom on my left, yet the audio has them the other way round. This is a shame as the older, cheaper DTX4K had the ability to reverse this audio.
Fine if you're right handed, but at the price it would be nice to switch the audio. As it is, all I can do is wear cheapo iems, as good iems have ear hooks designed for the right ears, as do headphones.
Thank you DTX Jesus 💪
very useful - thank you
No problem Gavin. Thank you for watching.
Tdx pro module sound better than Roland Td17 and 27.it's only my impression? So a competitor of Ad5 or 2box i suppose.or Alesis Strike
Great video Simon, pretty much single handedly sold me on the kit! In the manual it looks like you can plug in an external midi device to trigger sources not being triggered by the pads on the kit. How much control do you get over this? E.g. could I connect a DTX M12 and trigger the tom 1 rim and pad 3 input sources from it, while triggering the tom 1 head from the pad on the kit?
Hi Mark Thank you, pleased you enjoyed it. Yes, full MIDI functionality, so you can trigger (as you say) the rim of tom 1 from the M12 etc. The only think you can't do it trigger sounds which aren't linked to a pad zone ie you can't assign a sample to a midi note (say A1) and trigger it from the M12 as A1 isn't linked to an existing pad zone. I hope that makes sense.
@@edruminfo Thanks Simon, makes complete sense.
Master guide bud.
Thank you
Respect
Thanks for the very in'depth review. I am planning to go for this kit, although it seems there is not much availability all across Europe (both continental and insular) -- do you happen to know anything about this? Is there any place where to find information about when Yamaha is planning to resupply?
Thank you
Hi. Thanks for watching. I know Gear4Music in the UK have a few in stock as do Thomann in Germany and I'm sure many other music stores can get some. There looks to be another shipment due 2-3 weeks judging by what some of the shops are saying on their sites.
Amazing review. Simon, can you please tell us where you found that trap hi hat sample? And while we're at it, where can I find different drum samples?
Hi. I have a pretty massive sample library of my own, put together over years, but if I dont have something, I'll generally use Splice (www.splice.com). I'm pretty sure (99.9%) the trap hat came from there.
Really great video! Thanks. Would be really useful to understand the sound quality improvements and other improvements as compared to the older DTX900/700 or 502 drum modules?
Hi. Thanks for the comment. The audio quality is VERY different from the 502 and 900/700. It is MUCH better, and much more realistic. It is CD quality in comparison to MP3 (if that helps!).
Simon Edgoose yes, that helps! Thanks a lot!
Are the rims on the toms also triggerable? Meaning, are they dual zone? (mainly referring to the top-end model)
On this kit, no, as those pads are mono only, but the inputs on the module will take piezo/piezo pads so you can have rims triggered as well.
@@edruminfo Thanks for your reply! Excellent video too. Any ideas on compatibility with other brands of pads then like Roland or Alesis?
Thanks Simon. Very good video, detailed and precise.
I saw a discussions about silicon pads being actually quieter than normal mesh pads. Do you agree to that statement?
I was thinking of buying a e-drum kit for practice as an acoustic is not an option due to noise considerations.
One more question. Could this module work with other brand's pads and Cymbals; At the back of the unit there is the inputs for 14(?) pads some of which are double (two pads in one plug). How is that working?
Hi Mike. Yes, I would agree that silicone pads are quieter than most mesh pads - many mesh pads have a hi pitch rattle to them, where as silicone has a lower pitch and less impact sound. The module will work with other drum pads. However, the PRO will only work with Yamaha cymbal pads if you want 3 zones. Regarding the inputs, please look at the answer I gave to Gregory Haworth (below, depending on how RUclips is displaying on your device!) regarding the XP80 pads. Everything you need to know is in that answer.
Отличное видео, инструмент впечатлил!! Спасибо!!!
Thank you Roman!
@@edruminfo Simon вы лучший!!! Успехов и здоровья!
@@romanfrischennehrung4567 Спасибо!
Great video. I just don't understand why toy tighten so much the cymbals. Aren't they supposed to swing?
Good point. Yes, generally I play without the top felts so they move much more. View this as the least they will move!
More good news . . . seemed to have solved the double triggering with adjusting more "pad settings" . . . Reject time 40ms - - MinLevel 7
Amazing video Simon. Wasn’t convinced before seeing your video and but now completely sold. Keep up the great work and looking forward to more EAD Vids as well. Could you upgrade to larger TCS Tom pads to the 10 or 12” with DTX module ? Will the new module work with the larger pads switching which are 3 zone TCS vs the single 7” ?
Thanks Michael. Yes, Its a very clever module. Very powerful. I'll get back onto the EAD videos as soon as I have time. DTX6 and the DTXPro are taking up quite a bit of time at the moment.
@@edruminfo thanks Simon appreciate all the great work.
great review!!
Thank YOU for watching
If you plug the Yamaha m12 drum pad in the aux in can you record it in the rec n share
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Yes. You can route the Aux In to the USB if required so that would allow you to record your M12
Love the video! Very accessible and detailed!
I've been having difficulties figuring out adding custom samples, I seem to only be able to add one sample per voice slot on the DTX-PRO, I have libraries with the varying velocities per voice, but I can't find a way to add them in. If you could shine some insight it would be much appreciated, from your description it seems like I should be able to do a lot more but I can't figure it out.
Hi. You aren't the only one! I'll do a video on it soon which will hopefully show what you need. Its currently the most requested video, so as soon as time allows...!
@@edruminfoMuch appreciated - I'll make sure i'm subscribed so I catch it when it comes out!
@@edruminfo Been doing some digging myself and realized... only 65MB storage for samples?! What is that about yamaha?
@@s0nikover Yep, its actually 64MB. However, it's twice what the 'main rival' has. If it we're down to me, it would have a lot more, but it's not unfortunately.
Great ideas now it needs the best pads what are they for this module ? Help !
thank you for the very in depth review. seems like a very significant upgrade from the previous yamaha module. i have a yamaha dtx900 series.... is it worth upgrading from the dtx900m module to the dtx pro module?
Hi Husin. It depends on what you need. If you need individual outputs and lots of midi facility then the 900 is still king (better midi facility than any other electronic kit on the market), but if you want real drum sounds, great sounding kits, amazing effects (particularly the sampled room ambience) then the PRO module is way ahead.
Excellent review Simon ! One thing I want to know that is it possible to fold the new DTX6X rack when we are not using it? How much space it needs when folded?
Hi. Thank you.Roughly 28x30x10" depending on how you fold it (70x80x25cm)
Can you make a review for Drumit Three or Five module? Also NUX recently launched a new line of edrums that seems to be sooo good, but there is no enough good info on youtube...
Should I get the Roland TD-17KVX or Yamaha DTX6K3-X ? Which is the best option and why?
That's completely down to you - I cant answer that for you. You need to work out what is important to you - triggering, sounds, compatibility, sample import, stacking, sample/modelling etc, then go and try both kits, and most importantly listen to both kits. You wouldn't buy a car just depending on what a review said - you'd have to drive it and get a feel for it - and same with this if you're intending on spending a lot of time on it.
@@edruminfo Thank you, I wish that I was able to test them but unfortunately it’s not within my reach. For what I see Yamaha includes a hit hat stand but Roland comes with Bluetooth and bigger snare. Big decision for me, love both kits!
@@JohnnyAbe Its not quite as simple as snare size/Bluetooth. The DTX6 has sampled sounds (not modelled), twice as much sample memory, the ability to load multi layer samples, the Rec'n'share app (you need to check this if you dont know it but couldn't work over Bluetooth as Bluetooth is too slow) which will allow you to make drum video, practice, loop tracks etc, 3 zone snare, Cubase AI, 90 minutes recording, three 3 zone cymbals, EQ, Transient, Compression and Insertion effect for every pad, real room ambience... and thats about half of what it has that nothing else has. I appreciate you cant try stuff at the moment. Like I said, I cant make the decision for you, so make a list and see what stacks up for you (not anyone else!)
@@JohnnyAbe I'm gong to chime in here as I have several Roland Kits and the Yamaha 502 and DTX Pro. Both can be VERY enjoyable, BOTH require some tweaking with good headphones, but LOTS of tweaking with speaker/PA systems. Both have ambience, compression, velocity curve, EQ settings, etc. BOTH can give you machine gunning effects on rapid snare play (even with Yamaha Humanization on and Roland's SuperNatural). Pay attention to the PADS and Cymbals!!! I find the Yamaha silicone pads much more enjoyable to play for light velocity play. However, when you want to "rock out" . . . the Roland Mesh pads are much more rewarding in player feedback. I also find the velocity curve in the Yamaha's to be much more sensitive than the Rolands, the Yamaha's seem to "jump volume levels" as you raise and lower your velocity of play where as the Rolands were much smoother. The "sampled" sound of the Yamaha's sound more "authentic" to me over a PA system than the "modeled" Roland sounds . . . especially in the "toms" area. BOTH deliver outstanding percussion sounds for hybrid kit use. The Roland Cymbals are softer to play so I get less fatigue from tapping them and they are a little quieter. The Yamaha silicone pads are quieter than the Roland Mesh pads. To me, the best of both would be Yamaha silicon pads with Roland Cymbals LOL! The crosssticking on Yamaha is far superior to the Roland UNLESS you dedicate a pad or trigger to that voice. Roland "voices" have tone whereas the Yamahas each have three band EQ . . . Roland Toms have "snare buzz" you can add easily to make the kit sound more authentic. Yamaha's recorded rack tom sounds seem to include snare buzz and trying to EQ it out is a bit annoying because it's not there on the floor tom selections. For gigging Yamaha would be the way to go for me for one VERY important reason . . . it uses separate cables for each pad, Roland has a harness the breaks out into cables. If something goes wrong with that harness at a gig, you're dead. If a cable goes bad with the Yamaha, you just get an extra cable from your guitar player and you're back in business. LOTS to think about I know!! I hope this helps a little.
Hey Simon, first of all thanks for this really informative and well structured Video😃
During the video I noticed, that the cymbals sound very hard when you hit them. I always played acoustic kits and real cymbals have a specific way of how the sound builds up when you hit them.
Can you tune the sound to make for example the Ride cymbal sound more like a big ‚washy‘ sounding Jazz Ride to reproduce a more realistic cymbal sound?🤔
Hi Chris. You can edit the cymbals in many, many ways, so yes, you can change them to be however you want. You can use any cymbal as anything, so if you want to make a pair of hi hats from some splashes, you can. If you want to make a very thin ride from a crash, you can. The options are endless. You can even take the bell from one cymbals, the bow from another and the edge from a third if that gets you the sound you want. The reason the cymbals sound 'hard' is that RUclips adds heavy compression onto all its videos to even up the sound, so even when I'm playing lightly, it will sound loud. Thats RUclips, not the kit.
Can u set it to make your ghost notes in ur snare to sound more of the same and same snare sound
in a studio the ambience comes before the mic eg the space the kits in
Hi. Not always. It depends on the room that the drums are recorded in. Often the drums are close mic'ed and the room has ambience mics, just to pick up the sound/character of the room. Then the two are blended to make the final recorded drum sound. Most studios are quite dry sounding so the producer has flexibility to create the final sound, by using the close mic'ed drums, the room sound, and/or digital reverb or other FX. If drums are recorded in a big hard space, like a church, then there it is likely that the ambience would be loud enough to be heard down the microphones, but it would also be annoying as there would be no way of getting rid of the ambience. But going with the method above, the drum sound can be altered afterwards to make it more or less 'roomy', just like you can on the module.
@@edruminfo ambience from the french word meaning surrounding so wherever the drums are recorded a compressor will lift the sound into the mix even the close mics, thats in my 40 years exp of recording drums to tape and now present, you mean extra ambient reverb but at source there is always the space unless in an anechoic chamber but nobody drys it up that much, so you see extra surrounding space on top of where its already in
ps mixing the correct space on top is vital to know your reverbs too and the correct application of plates, as different compressors will vastly affect the outcome when mixing, yamaha have good engineers doing the samples though, i would always leave compression off though in the module as you cant undo it later when mixing, a little goes a long way esp when using verbs and commiting, good video
@@Bcwilderness Great! You know what you're talking about then! Yes - when these drums and cymbals were recorded, as I mentioned in the video, the rooms were also mic'ed. So what makes this kit different is every pad hit triggers 4 audio files - left and right close mics and left and right ambience channels. The ambience channels are the actual room recordings made at the same time as the sample hit (not after). So by changing the Ambience knob (1%-50%) amount you can add or subtract more or less room ambience for the whole kit by adding the distance mics. So what I mean to stress is it's not digital reverb, but 2 more simutaneaous audio files. With the Ambience knob you *can* also add digital reverb on top (51%-100%) if you want, but the main ambience is room audio from distance mics recorded at the same time as each hit. No, you're right, of course we avoided anechoic chambers (!), but the dry (no ambience sound) has very little room reflection. And yes, I agree, the engineers know what they are doing! Thanks for watching it. Simon
@@edruminfo yes they have come a long way for us drummers the last few years as guitarists have all the fun, im hoping to blend the outputs from this brain against the sound from ssd5 as some of the packs are superb and when the multi sensing snare comes out it should make a big diff, as a lot of live kits when recorded and mixed sound quite like a sampled kit anyway, but in the grand scheme of it the snare is the most important to have some different samples triggering, exciting stuff for sure, the ride is important though driving through a song internal dynamics are what the purists always argue over versus the machine gun effect of older drum brains, i will be biting the bullet on this lovely the weekend for sure, many thanks again :)
Very good video ! Did you notice some "machine gun" effect on the snare or the toms while you were playing ?
I was on the edge of buying this module to upgrade my DTX532k, I must say this video convinced me !
Machine gunning is caused by too few samples or too much attack on the sound. The DTX6 has plenty of samples, so if you do hear machine-gunning it is down to there being too much attack on the sounds (which is made worse by RUclips's compression). However, on the DTX6 you have Transient adjustment, so you can turn down the attack to stop it machine gunning. I'm going to do a video on it soon (time allowing). So, to answer you question, if you do hear it, you can dial it out very easily.
Thanks for the quick and detailed response !
I hope Simon comes out with a video soon about creating a multi layer sample type. Tried to create a 40 .wav snare file for the head. Didn't work the way I had hoped it would. Manual doesn't really explain it that well :)
Hey Jeff. The User Voices thing is not clear from the manual, but it's easy when you know how. I'll do a video as soon as time allows. I've got some great examples here, and I can finally have all the rare snares I've ever wanted in my (virtual) snare collection... as long as they crop up on a VSTi!
@@edruminfo That's great :) I was able to load in 40 wave samples ( 10 on zone A,B,C,and D). Each was recorded at a different velocity, but the module only plays maybe 10 of the 40. Very befuddled right now.
@@jeffgermanich341 Ah, well done. You've got further than most people who've been in touch! To separate the voices out for each User Voice go to;
@@edruminfo Hello again. I was in the bank area of the user voice section and I can scroll through the 10 voices of each layer and they do go from soft to loud. The velocity range of each voice is set at the default of 0-127. I tried to guess what the velocity range of each wave file was and change each voice to a range, 0-3, 4-6, 7-10, etc. but that messes up each layer, So I left each of the 40 wave files at 0-127. Still not able to get all voices to play as I hear it in the edit voice-bank area. :(
@@jeffgermanich341 Sorry, didn't realise that RUclips had deleted the second half of my answer. I'd written it after "...go to;". Hang on...!
May I ask about headphones please? What are people's recommendations? Studio phones or just regular audio phones?
This sounds really good to me. I'm using a 502 right now and was thinking of getting an EAD10 for my setup. Mic unit on my acoustic set, DTX562 kit plugged into the trigger inputs would be a nice versatile config for the two drum sets, I don't need all the trigger inputs since I use the Zildjian Gen16 cymbals.....Simon, are the EAD samples as good as the DTX Pro? I'd really like to use the EAD for the mic options on my Stage Custom but the better sounding samples for the ekit are more important to me.
Hi Bob. I’m afraid the DTXPRO samples are much better than the EAD ones. The EAD samples are just meant for reinforcing the sound of an acoustic kit, whereas the PRO samples are designed to replace the sounds of an acoustic kit. There is a big difference. There is also much more control in the PRO.
@@edruminfo thanks for a quick reply and thanks for all of your videos. Super helpful. Ordering the Pro today.
Thank you for your video. Based on the segment of midi mapping, does this mean I need to buy a separate vst for its midi function?
Hi. Thanks for getting in touch. I don't actually understand what you mean. These kits will work with any VSTi. The midi mapping on these is far more advanced than most other kits. I've used them with AD2, SD3, EZD2 and numerous others and all of them already have (or will have very soon) the correct midi maps inside the software so you won't need to change anything in the module. I hope that answers your question
I don't see how one can get 120 sounds on a 3 zone pad (assuming 40 per zone), when there are only 4 layers, and one sound per layer? I only come up with 12 sounds??
You are absolutely correct Jeff - in 'normal' Stack/Alt mode, it can do 4 layers on 3 zones of the same pad - 12 sounds. However, in User Voice mode you can load up to 120 sounds and the module sorts it out for you (assuming you have named, ordered them correctly) and allows you to do what you heard. Each of the 12 Stack/Alt sounds can be replaced with 10 samples. I'll do a video on how you do it when I get a chance, but yes, it does work!
Hey Simon thanks for that explanation. That pretty much sold me in the Dtxpro. VST quality for sure :)
Wow, I have been playing drums along time an use acoustic and ekits , every time I played my edrums and I’ve had nice roland and atv drums there was something that always bothered me about the feel of the drums and the sound coming out. So I got this drum set and when you deep dive into the setting you can get them to respond like a real kit. Hi hat is still tricky to get right but by far from the time I spent with them they are blowing me away on how they feel and sound. They are so close to the real thing.
Yeah, I had a Roland TD-9s for a few years. Definitely a great instrument, but the cymbals and hi-hat were always a little off somehow... The improvement I can hear in this kit is a huge deal for e-drums. That, and the flexibility and power, including adjustable, naturally captured room ambience and a huge amount of sample and FX chain control.
The more I look into it, the more I want one!
The trick to getting the hi hats correct is to listen to them in a mix, not just by listening on headphones. Because we are usually very close to our hi hats, we have an expectation of what we want to hear from an electronic kit. But when you listen to them in a mix, you realise it is much less important than we, as drummers, think.
@@edruminfo Yeah, I usually ended up turning them down in relation to the rest of the kit which sounded better in recordings, but they still didn't have the level of expressiveness I see on display in this video. Also, when they wear out and start to misregister, crosstalk and the choke starts to deteriorate or trigger samples, it only gets worse.
@@ryo-kai8587 You will have to play the RHH135 for MANY years before it starts to wear out - I have one here that is one of the originals, and there is no loss in playability. I can assure you that the one I am using in the video is a standard version. I just spent a bit of time setting it up for my playing.
@@edruminfo I still have the RHH135 from my DTXpress IV SP2 kit, had no problem at all, even after 12 years, and no signs of wearing out actually. Considering buying this one or maybe the DTX8Kx ...
Hum incredible, the first sound like Dave Weckl actual kit 👍
Great job Yamaha, only pb is the size of pads look like toy for me.
Signed ATV user.
Well then plug your ATV pads into the module. Job done. You’ll need a eDRUMin for your cymbal pads (or use the Yamaha ones) but that would work.
@@edruminfo possible mix Yam + ATV for cymbals (sound really really good)
For information ATV ex5 complet kit
@@laurentlanglois3309 that would do. I know the aD5 well and it’s very good but you would miss the editing of the cymbals I think. Try it, let me know how you get on.
@@edruminfo 👍
Thanks Simon. I’m just struggling with the fact that I cannot physically change the snare wire tension of my snare (I’m using XP100SD pad) with the DTX Pro module (my pad has a knob that I can roll). How can I get this feature with the DTX-PRO module?. I saw that the new snare pad (XP125SD) does not have this knob anymore.
The SD XP pads with the red knob only function with the 700, 900 and 502 modules. The reason this feature hasn't been added to the new modules is to do with the fact that not that many people used the feature, and also to do with sounds. When you turned the snares on and off with the red knob, depending on the module, you were turning a modelled snare wire sound on, not a sample. The modelled snare wires never sounded that realistic, so it compromised the snare sound. The new modules snares sounds are much more realistic because they are great samples in the first place. I do appreciate it is nice to turn a knob to turn the snares off, but if you need snares on and snares off versions of the same kit, just duplicate it and put different snare sounds on each version of the kit, and swap between the two using a spare pad or a pad function to swap between the two.
Aloha from Hawaii Simon. Just watched your video as I searched this ekit on RUclips. I sold my 532 kit and I'm looking to purchase this kit or the dtx8 kit. Lot's of great info in your video as well as in the comments. Are you using the 8" or a 12" pad in this video?
Mahalo!
Hello from cold and wet UK! Not at all jealous!! 🙂Thank you. This is the DTX6K3-X kit so its the (7" head, 8" pad) XP70 tom pads and the (8" head, 10" pad) XP80 snare pad.
Thanks for great review.
I have always been curious about how drum module plays their sound. My understanding is limited to seeing drum modules as "fat" mp3 players. I know how wrong i am in this statement 😂 but could you actually make a video explaining technology underneath modules? That could be useful for all of us. Words like polyphony make me a bit uncertain...i used to think that polyphony is something that relates only to 2000x mobile phones 😂 why to put a tone generator into a module?
nice and excellent video! is there any apps that can control the dtx pro module (like dtx 502 touch app for dtx 502 module)?
Hi, yes it is in development, but like many things it has been delayed due to C19.
The app is coming, but C19 has delayed it
@@edruminfo thanks, nice to hear that it is in development.
Great video Simon. I just got this kit and have been super happy so far. Happen to know if there is a "Touch" app like made for the 502?
Hi. Thank you. Yes there is but like many things it’s been held up because of the current situation. I don’t know when it will be released, but it is in development I understand.
Awesome, thanks.
Any chance you have tried recording into Garage Band? I have the freebie version and doesn't seem to map the hi hat successfully.
@@kurtdeninger Thats because GB doesn't use the General Midi map for hi hats unlike Yamaha and almost everyone else. Plus, you cant change the MIDI map in GB so you'll have to change it in the DTX PRO. Plus GB doesn't have so many articulations as the DTX PRO so it won't be as good. I believe GB uses this mapping for hi hat so you'll have to change the midi notes in the module - Closed HH is 42, Pedal is 44 and Open is 46.
@@edruminfo Wow. Legend. Thanks Simon, appreciate it!!!!
Love you videos, I have a question, do these drums rout to separate tracks using USB to the DAW or does it need to be routed by TRS and inputs to an interface? Thankyou
Hi. Thank you. The USB is stereo only (but at 24bit), but it is easy to separate out all the drums and record them as single channels. Have a read of this mikedolbear.com/seriously-wired/sw41-tracking-electronic-kit/
@@edruminfo Thank you, I appreciate it
New question If someone could help. I noticed that if idial in the kit with the trigger settings where its perfect for my touch.
If I go to another pre loaded drum kit it is way off. Please dumb the answer down so I could comprehend it.
Hi, the only thing I can think of is that, just like real instruments, the samples behave differently at different dynamics. A set of heavy hi hats will react differently to a set of light hi hat and that will reflect in the samples as a lighter cymbal will crash easier, and sooner than a heavy one. Also, each kit can have different volumes saved in it and this will also effect how a sound reacts.
@@edruminfo I remember you saying (in another video) that the first thing you should do is set the gain, velocity curves to your own preference (to calibrate the module to your softest - hardest hit range in your natural play style) Are you saying that cant be a global setting for all internal preset kits?
Does that have to be done for all the preset kits? Or can the curve settings be auto-applied to all kits?
Hi Simon. Great video! Is there a way to turn off the snare buzz on the toms?
Hi. No there isn't because it is exactly how the tom sounded in the studio, set up on a kit, not isolated and sterile. It is not a modelled sound. The snare buzz was included to make the kits sound more realistic, just as would happen if you were playing an acoustic kit. Personally I think it really helps to make the kit sound much more realistic in a mix. If you want something without buzz, look at the acoustic-sounding electronic tom sounds on the module, as they won't have buzz, by their very nature.
@Simon Edgoose thanks for the reply Simon. What about turning the snare off on the snare? Is that possible like it can be done on DTX 700?
Great presentation!
Hoping that I will not bother you with my question,just want to ask you if the Pearl Tru Trac drum heads are compatible with Yamaha Dtx Pro module.
Hi, both the head and rim will work on the snare pad, but only the tom heads, not the tom rims, as they work on a different input format.
@@edruminfo
Hi Simon!
I really appreciate your prompt reply!
I would also want to ask you if I can obtain 4 sounds (Stack/Alt,Layering)
for each single pad (head) when I will conect the Pearl Tru Trac pads with Yamaha Dtx Pro drum module,using mono instrument cable.
@@dlcro6112 Yes, that is a function of the module, so any pads you plug in will have that functionality. Everything I show on this video will be available to you, but with your choice of pads.
@@edruminfo
Thank you very much for your answer!
Simon my dtx pro module sounds terrible compared to my roland td17 or td25 , hi hats are so trashy and toms are so boomy, ive done a factory reset but same it takes hours to get any of the kits to sound good, any advice?
Hi Sanj P. I think you may have got this the wrong way around. Let me explain. Am I correct in thinking that you own or have owned Roland kits before? Am I correct in thinking that you dont play an acoustic drum kit very often?
What I think the issue is that you are used to Roland sounds. Roland use something called physical modelling (which was partly invented by Yamaha) and Roland have given it many names over the year - COSM (Composite Object Sound Modelling), Super Natural Audio, Pure Acoustic Modelling, Prismatic Audio and so on - but it is based on the same method.
Modelling uses created audio - synthesised sounds which are layered together (a tone for the top head, a tone for the bottom head, a bit of noise for snare wire buzz etc etc) but there is usually NO real sounds in there (no samples, or occasionally an incredibly small part of a sample). It gives a very clean, and adjustable drum sound, but all the sounds in a modelled module are made with the same 'parts' or components. Modelling needs very little storage space as there is really no real drum 'waveforms' stored.
Everyone else (with the exception of ModoDrums by IK Multimedia) uses samples for their sounds. Samples are hundreds (or thousands) or digital recordings of real drum and cymbal sounds). You hit the pad and the module plays back the sample closest in dynamics to what you need, with your added adjustments. Samples take a lot of space and you need hundreds of samples for each new instrument.
So one method is the real thing (samples), and the other method is synthesised (modelling).
I have come across it before where users who are so used to modelled sounds dont like sampled sounds (even though they are 'real') because they have got so used to modelled sounds.
When I am programming for artists (which is my 'day job') I have often been bought in to make the drums sound better on a production (have a look at eDrumInfo.com to see who these are) . In all these situations, we have NEVER ended up using the modelled sound - we ALWAYS end up using samples (usually a VSTi plug in like Superior Drummer or Addictive Drums).
Modelled sound might sound great at home through headphones, but through a big PA in a stadium, modelled sounds can sound very thin and weak. Samples always sound fuller, and more real, and importantly, more instant.
So while you might prefer modelled sounds (and there is nothing wrong with that), all electronic kits (apart from Roland), VSTi plugs ins like Addictive Drums, Superior Drummer, Ezdrummer etc - use samples of real instruments.
But if you dont like the sounds of real drums and cymbals as they were recorded, the module offers loads and loads of ways of changing that sound to get what you want.
Toms too 'boomy'? You can make the toms less boomy by reducing the decay and filtering the mid frequencies.
Cymbals too 'big' sounding? You can make the cymbal sound more like modelled cymbals by removing all the low end frequencies with a High Pass Filter from around 500Hz.
Dont like a kit sound? You can tune everything, choose different samples, load your own samples.
I assume that you bought a DTXpro because you liked the sounds on a video or when you tried it? As such there is nothing 'wrong' with the sound - you are just used to something different - a more processed, and less 'real' sound. Maybe you find it more difficult to use than your TD25 or 17, but I guarantee it will sound more realistic in a mix - I can spot a modelled sound in a mix pretty easily.
That module gives you everything you need to get a more processed sound if you need it. It is an incredibly powerful module.
And lastly, make sure you are using a good quality headphone or speaker system. Some ekits are optimised for cheaper headphones, but dont sound good on speakers. The DTXpro is optimised to sound like an acoustic drum kit in a mix. You can make it sound different if you want - as processed as you might want - but the module is immensely powerful. Spend a bit of time with it, and you'll see what I mean.
Hi simon.. question, can I use double bass pedal on Dtx6kx bass???
Anyway, thank you so much for this video😎
Yes. Pretty much every electronic kit with a separate bass drum pad can handle a double pedal. The benefit of the KP90 is it feels great. Really great.
Is there metronome coverage on this? I can’t get the metronome to accent the loop of the time signature.
Hi. Do you mean does the click sync to the loop? No it doesn't - you have to hit it in time and in the right place. You would need a computer to sync to loops on the fly - something like Ableton. Whenever I'm playing to a loop in the video, I am playing to the click (IIRC), but the loop is exactly the correct tempo, and I'm starting the loop as accurately as I possibly can.
I actually figured it out. You have to change the volume of the notes you want accented. 😀
@@gimphandjeff Ah, good. We were talking about different things! Well done for sorting it out.
Simon can you load a multi layer VST sample into toms and cymbals or just the snare? If so is there enough memory to create a whole kit (I assume 64 MB)? Thanks for this great video I am loving the DTX6.
Hi. Yes, you can load whatever you want, wherever you want, but you WILL run out of memory pretty quickly. However, I'd only really use multilayer sample import for snare drums (if at all) and only if there was a particular character of snare that I felt I needed, as the DTX-PRO module has more power than most VSTi's. Every channel has pitch, decay (plus a load more fine adjustments), EQ, transient adjustment, compression and then each kit has the ambience, effect and compression on top. You can make one internal drum or cymbal sound like an almost infinite range of instruments.
@@edruminfo Thanks so much for getting back to me. It is much appreciated. I’ll stick to the snare for multi layered samples and concentrate on stacking instruments and editing internal sounds for creating custom kits. Great playing by the way, it is one more reason your videos are a pleasure to watch.
@@rsweeney6198 Thats very kind of you. I get to work with loads of great drummers who I get to watch close up, so I'm not sure I personally agree with you, but very kind all the same! Thank you.
@@edruminfo you’ve been incredibly helpful thank you Simon. I actually can’t get Yamaha to answer a few questions on customer support they are contacting Japan.
I noticed that just under utility/ general/ midi local is humanize. It’s default mode is set to on. Wouldn’t I want it set to off? Humanize as far as I understand it is when midi in information is quantized and running the model and displaces notes to give it a human feel. Is there a USB midi in on DTX pro? It seems utterly useless if there is no midi in. I would hate to be playing and having the DTX move my hits in some random fashion. I guess simply put set humanize to on or off while just playing?
I also noticed in instrument effect you can put a completely different insertion fx for every instrument and still use the fx 1 or fx 2 plus the master fx. Didn’t know if you noticed that.
Still not sure how to just simply playback to wav files off usb stick without recording. Just want to playback and play along not record.
Also not sure how to stack sounds so that they alternate or only play at a certain velocity but I am digging around and hopeful I will figure it out. I’ve figured out how to control voice volume and pitch.
Thank goodness for your videos. The manual and reference guide leave a lot to be desired.
Best - Greg
@@rsweeney6198 No, you want Humanize ON. Its not midi timing, it is dynamics - if you play the same note, when Humanize is on, it will vary the dynamics to give a different sound. It adds variation. Nothing to do with timing! USB does midi in and out, simultaneously. I have been heavily involved in the module development, so yes, I know how the effects work - its pretty impressive and goes way over what most people will use... ever! To playback a wav file, put it on the USB drive and insert it. Press Recorder. Find the file. Press Play (not record). Easy. Stack/Alt is more difficult to explain. I did a video on it before the DTX6 came out but not sure if it is released yet (for various reasons). Go to Kit Edit, Voice, then press TRG (F3). That gives you access to the layers. You need to lock the layer you are working on (F2) and change them with F1. To change the sound on each layer, lock it and press Exit. This takes you back to voice selection for the layer you locked. To limited velocity range, scroll ALL the way down the many Voice pages until you find VelHi and VelLo. These set the ranges of the voices individually.