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The Commandment about the Sabbath distinctly states “the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.” It doesn’t get more clear than that. Everyone knows the calendar starts Every week with Sunday, then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So there is no confusion Saturday is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. History confirms that the Catholic Church and their Pope in the year 336AD changed the “Solumnity” (Sacred Emphasis) from the 7th Day to the (False Catholic Sabbath “Sunday”). So what more evidence do you need? Case closed SDA correct, Catholic (and all the denominations that honor the Catholic sabbath) WRONG!
Thank you both for this. I find it refreshing and respectful, solid and edifying. Just don't understand why I never knew of this RUclips site before, but I will share it.
Here’s one way to look at this.. ask yourself which scenario makes more sense? Let’s say the 7th day Adventist are wrong about keeping the 4th commandment and you actually didn’t Have to still keep the Sabbath , and it’s Judgment Day,…will God say “I know you were just trying to be obedient , but you did not have to keep the Sabbath. But since you rested one day and choose to worship Me that day , you are now Going to Hell “? Not likely… but on the other Hand, if the evangelical teaching is wrong , do you think God will say, even tho you chose To break my Commands, it’s ok, you can still come to Heaven”… not likely, because even the New Testament says “ he who says he loved God but does not keep the commandments is a Liar”.!I’d rather take my chances, trying to be obedient, the blatantly ignore Gods Commandments. The Bible says “obedience is better than Sacrifice 1cor 7:19 (and this is New Testament teaching btw)
It's amazing how people can take a simple very simple topic like that of the Sabbath and make it so complicated for nothing, the day Jesus said He is Lord of, because He gave it to Adam verbally and to Moses written on Stone. The consistency of the scriptures when studied diligently prayerfully is made clear. It still amazes me that so many who are so call Doctors of theology can't seem to see clearly the truth of the Sabbath; and not just the Sabbath, but other things such as the topic of Hell and preaching the false doctrines that there are and there will be forever people burning in Hell Fire. People have become dumber and dumber even with all the technology that we have. The minds of people have decline at an alarming speed, and of course with the help of demonic influences. If well presented, the Sabbath and all other issues are easily defended.
The alternative to keeping the Seventh day Sabbath has always been idol and image worship. Just look at the Nations that surrounded Israel, their worship practices and styles and you will find a pattern of heathen worship that continues even to this day. From the beginning of time until now the people of God have kept the Sabbath. Any interjection of any other day whatsoever and whenever during the course of human history was not sanctioned by God and is the result of human conjecture and speculation. All worship practices have roots. One worship day comes from the loving heart of God and the other days come from mere mortals who are motivated by the god of this world who hate God and his commandments. The alternative to keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath in the 4th commandment will always be the same. Idol worship means no worship and in vain men and women will try and worship God teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Catholics are very honest except this Catholic presenter , listen to what they say in their own book ✅✅Question: Which is the Sabbath day? ✅✅Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. ✅✅Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? ✅✅Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50♈️♈️
Edwin, it was an honor to stand by your side and defend the Sabbath Truth. May we all give our hearts to Christ Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)
ADVENTIST STONES DEATH The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7). The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love. John 13:34-35 [34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. [35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant. The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant. In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit . Ephesians 1:13 [13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Romans 8:9,14 [9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
ADVENTIST STONES DEATH The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7). The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love. John 13:34-35 [34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. [35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant. The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant. In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit . Ephesians 1:13 [13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Romans 8:9,14 [9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
@@komislattroblox1806 ADVENTIST STONES DEATH The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7). The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love. John 13:34-35 [34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. [35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant. The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant. In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit . Ephesians 1:13 [13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Romans 8:9,14 [9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
@@EricSaavy so, if someone shoots an innocent kid in. A drive-bye, that would be a sin right ? Because thou shall not nurse… but..if God (who jesus is ), says to kill a whole nation (as was done through the Old Testament), is that sinning because “tho shall not murder”? Of course not. So using that Sane logic, If we decide to work on our own account on the Sabbath ,then yes, that would be a sin for disobeying the 4th Commandment. But if Jesus (who is God) tells you to “work” on the Sabbath, it also is Not a sin. Furthermore , the disciples were not farming and harvesting on the Sabbath,. If u notice the context of what there were doin by picking of some wheat and eating it on the Sabbath , is the equivalion of walking by an apple tree and plucking off an apple on the Sabbath… that is hardly “Work”… therefore Jesus wasn’t defending them “working” on the Sabbath.
It is good to know that not the earth but the city of the New Jerusalem is the one that will have no need of the sun nor the moon because God's glory is greater than them (Rev. 21:23; Isa. 60:19, 20). Isaiah 24:23 clearly states that the sun and moon will be in their respective places but they will be confounded because of God's glory when He is reigning in Zion. A good analogy is when you light up a candle in the middle of the day when the sun is the brightest. Futhermore, Isaiah 66:23 tells us that every Sabbath day and every new moon day all believers will gather together to worship our King. These are clearly weekly and monthly cycles. God bless.
The good book also says that the sun will be seven times brighter and the moon will be as bright as the sun is now as stated in Isaiah 30:26. Praise GOD! I cannot wait for that day and eternity thereafter!
Is Sunday sacred? Yes. ALL days are sacred, because each day is a gift from God. A point that everyone, Catholic or not, seems to be missing in this debate is that the Apostles celebrated EVERY day of the week with worship and bread-breaking (see Acts 2:46). Throughout history, and even today, the Catholic Church has treated every day as holy by celebrating Mass every day, not just one day a week. So my point here is that, ALL days are kept holy by the Catholic Church; it's just that Sunday is the only day of the week (besides the special holy days set aside at certain times throughout the year) that Catholics are REQUIRED to attend Mass.
Worshiping and breaking bread on Sunday no mores Sunday sacred, anymore than Worshiping and breaking bread on Tuesday makes Tuesday sacred. God makes a thing holy by saying so, like He has done for many things, yet never for Sunday.
@@EricSaavy boy, you must really think you got me on this one! Robt, this is a very common argument I often see coming from Catholics in defense of Sunday sacredness, which has long been refuted from us crazy heretical SDAs and other faithful Sabbath keepers. First, let's talk about Pentecost. According to Acts 1:3, Jesus stuck around after His resurrection for forty days after His resurrection, which means His ascension took place on a THURSDAY. Luke 24:44-52 describes the disciples worshiping Him at His ascension on that very day. From the resurrection to Pentecost was 50 days, but from His ascension on Thursday to Pentecost was 10 days. Count those ten days from the Thursday ascension to Pentecost and you will find that there were two Sundays within those ten days. The Holy Spirit descends on the disciples on the SECOND Sunday of those last two Sundays, NOT the first Sunday. Why, if it was all about the day, did not the Holy Spirit descend on that first of the two Sundays? You might say that its because of the type and you'd be evidently correct. Obviously, it was NOT about the DAY, but about the fulfillment of the TYPE! That one, single Sunday was important only insofar as it pertained to the final fulfillment of the type, that was all. But that would not make every consecutive Sunday sacred anymore than Jesus' ascension on Thursday makes every consecutive Thursday sacred. Note that the Holy Spirit descended many times (Acts 4:31, 8:17, 10:44, 11:15, 19:6), and none of these texts describe it happening every time on a Sunday. Once the type met antitype, that one and lonely Sunday did it's job. Now it continued to happen spontaneously as the people made decisions for the Lord. Incidentally, we SDAs get accused of elevating the day above everything else. Catholics apparently make a thing about the day in this situation when the important thing was not the day, neither did this magically transform every consecutive Sunday as a sacred day. None of that is present in the text. Moreover, since when does the descent of the Holy Spirit make a day special? Not a single text says that the Holy Spirit's decent on that day, made that day sacred. And even if it did, that does not translate to every consecutive Sunday after that! To say so would be to input your own eisegetical interpretation into the verse. In history the method for calculating those 50 days to Pentecost depended on who you spoke to. The Sadducees calculated one way, the Pharisees calculated another way. Which ever way you chose to calculate determines whether Pentecost landed on every 50th "Sunday" once a year or simply every 50th day of any day in the week. The debate centered about the phrase "after the seventh Sabbath" in Lev. 23:16. Confirmation bias typically leads the way here. To avoid this, I argue from a different angle. Assuming Pentecost landed on every 50th Sunday previous to Acts 2, so what? God did not "sanctify" that day as He did the seventh day, and as you claimed above. Read the text carefully. Lev. 23:21 says "YOU shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you." God is in the details (not the devil). In Gen. 2:3, GOD HIMSELF proclaims the seventh day holy and sanctifies it. Here, God tells THEM to proclaim it. The PEOPLE were to proclaim it. What God did on the seventh day in Gen. 2:3 applies to ALL men (Mark 2:27, which we can debate as well). What God did in Lev. 23:21 applies strictly to the Israelites. The text clearly and carefully read, "is a holy convocation TO YOU" (verse 21). Therefore, when I wrote above "never on Sunday" I meant it. GOD never "sanctifies" a single Sunday. Sure He directed the Israelites to sanctify various days of the week, from the first day to the eight day, to the fourteenth and fifteenth day and even to the tenth day (Lev. 23:4-6, 26, 34, 39). But that does not compare to GOD setting aside the weekly seventh day as the day God ceased from His creative works from the foundation of the world, and purposely sanctifies and blesses it (Gen 2:2-3). Those various days were temporary ceremonial days ending at the cross (Col. 2:14-16, which I will respond to at your other post). But the seventh day remains sacred throughout eternity (Isa. 66:23, which I will be happy to respond to, but in open, LIVE video debate). Moreover, even if that Pentecost Sunday was sacred, that does not translate to EVERY weekly Sunday as being Sacred. This is a classic case of eisegesis on the part of the Catholics. You cannot use this to make every Sunday sacred because anciently this was a YEARLY, not a weekly thing. Even after the cross, the first of the two Sundays in those last 10 days after the ascension was skipped over. Evidently, the weekly Sunday was not suddenly considered as a weekly sacred day. Nor can critics appeal to 1 Cor. 16 as an example of weekly Sunday keeping, because the laying of goods aside to help the poor saints suffering famine in Jerusalem (verses 3-5, cf. Rom 15:25-26, Acts 11:28) was a temporary one-time deal, until their suffering was relieved, which by the way was to be laid personally "by him in store" (verse 2), and not in a church service. Robt, you placed yourself in an awkward situation when you wrote that Pentecost Sunday is a commanded Sabbath and Holy Day "AS MUCH AS THE WEEKLY SABBATH." Well, this must mean that you keep both the yearly Pentecost Sunday AND the weekly Sabbath. I suppose therefore that you are now a Sabbath keeper like the ones you claim CRUCIFIED the Lord! You made a thing about the Sabbath keeping accusers of Jesus being Sabbath keepers. Incidentally, Peter and the apostles were all Sabbath keepers also. So what's your point? Actually, Jesus' constant debate with those Sabbath keepers proves that they actually were NOT true Sabbath keepers. He corrects them constantly on how to TRULY keep the Sabbath. For example, He told that that "it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath days" (Matt. 12:12). Thus, they were not really keeping the Sabbath. He had to teach them HOW to keep it the right way. They were breaking the Sabbath with their legalism and rigid extra-biblical rules. So, evidently, it was not Sabbath keepers who accused Jesus, it was seventh-day keepers that accused Jesus. There is a big big difference. I have purposely refused to respond to your personal attacks (like when you addressed me, an SDA, as a bigot full of pagan superstitions and fables). It is very common for critics to engage in fallacies such as that one (ad hominem). But I will not entertain it. Why can't you see how unnecessary it is to address another individual in that manner? And why also can't you see that the texts you brought up have not been looked at deeper as they should have been? Let me appeal to you to have a real, personal bible study on these topics in a private video conference. What do you say? Because afterall, I am only going to respond ONE time in text and, more importantly, my life is at stake for believing in error. You do want to save me from error, don't you? Debating in text is way too time consuming and I am sure you would approve of my spending this time better with my family, yes? Video conference are much shorter and more productive. Let's do it. Meanwhile, I will reply to your other comments later on. This bigoted, superstitious, fable believing nut-job (as accused by your counterpart on another post) is going to church now with his unfortunately confused Sabbath keeping family. Blessings.
@@EricSaavy all this rambling and not a single reply to anything I wrote. So, I will not be getting into any new points, until you, point by point, address every argument I made in response to yours above. I will wait until thats done before moving on. You won't read any reply from me until then. And, I am asking you kindly to stop spamming all the posts on this video with book-length comments, and if I had the time and desire to tackle everything you have to say. Show some consideration for my time. Personally I think a LIVE public debate will do better here.
@@EricSaavy I'm done with you spamming and flooding all the texts fields, with your name calling and false accusations. You've annoyed me so much I could care less what you think of my removing you from here. I've repeatedly warned you to stop obnoxiously flooding the comments and you refuse to show even the slightest decency and respect. You have my email. If you want to have a real debate, contact me. I'm leaving this comment here for long enough until you see it. Then I'll be removing you from off this page. Think what you will. God will judge betwixt you and I on that great day. Edwin
After rising from the dead, Jesus celebrated His first Christian service (consisting of Him reading and explaining the Scriptures, then breaking bread, which is the outline of every Catholic Mass) on Sunday afternoon. See Luke 24:27-31. Why didn't he wait until the next Sabbath, if that is the correct day of worship for Christians?
The day of Jesus' resurrection also falls during the Feast of the Unleavened Bread IIRC. Even so Jesus celebrating two consecutive Sundays with bread breaking, is it written in the Bible where Jesus commanded to break bread every Sunday or that everyone should stop honoring the 7th Day?
Breaking bread, or in other words having a meal and doing a Bible study with his disciples is NOT Him sanctifying a new day, setting aside, or making holy the first day of the week. If you have that text, please supply book, chapter, and verse.
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@Mike Flanagan Make sure you copy and save this refutation of the adventists. I have a feeling their abrasiveness to "text debates" is an unfortunate extension of what happens when cognitive dissonance strikes.
@Mike Flanagan There was a gigantic text of evidence and argumentation you had made that I cant find now. I really wanted to screenshot it and save it but I think this channel removed it. Im wondering if their offer to discuss this with you via video conference is to save face for removing your other comment because a part of it is shown in my notifications but its not here in the thread.
@@ArcanicFire I purposely and unapologetically removed some of Mike's comments because they were rude and the claims within them were false. I prewarned everyone months ago that I would do this in my original post above. So it was not to save face. Rather, it was an attempt at sticking to my own policy of not tolerating those kinds of comments. Other comments however deemed not rude and false were left intact. You should know that Mike arranged with me via email to have a public debate and suddenly canceled, calling me a low life and sending me to hell. Who is saving face now? He was all high and mighty until it got real, then he bailed. This is the typical behavior of 99% of all critics I encounter. I will be writing an article about these kinds of critics for my website soon. Edwin
@@EricSaavy Thank you so much. All screenshotted. God bless. Im not guna bother respondong tondefense leagues reply to me. I have a degree in history where I studied the trajectory of european law and religious practices, the SDA "church" has a huge ignorance towards what the reality of biblical doctrine is via the Greek Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I recommend they check out a RUclipsr called Catholic Truth. He rips the SDA claims to shreds in multiple videos. He also doesnt delete comments of those who disagree with him. The truth will come out.
Is it ok raise objection during the presentation of the opponent especially when you see the presentation of the opponent was out of the topic? Thanks for your response.
Yes, it is ok, and I should have done that! Alvin was totally off topic and really scrambled all over the place. Next time, I will not allow that to happen. Thanks for watching! (and sorry it took me so long to answer your question). Blessings!
There are two questions that I wanted to ask SDA> 1. Where is Ellen white in the bible? 2. Going to church on Saturday is keeping the sabbath???? You can ask the help of SDA bible scholars if you cant answer them on your own!!! Good luck
Ellen White refuted her own denomination. She admitted that you won't find Sabbath keeping in the New Testament. It is only "assumed." " _The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed_ " From Counsels on Stewardship, p66 TithPG 10.3
The Seal of GOD, Sabbath 4th commandment, thank you Lord Jesus, has given the day for us, to remind us the Creator and be blessed and sanctified in it.
Hi Edwin, Just a somewhat “minor” point: The word “sabbath” in Hosea 2:11 refers to the ceremonial sabbaths of ancient Israel. There is quite a lot of evidence from the context, structure, language, etc., that virtually proves it irrefutably. By the way, this proof is included in the dissertation for my PhD on the topic of the word “sabbata” in Colossians 2:16, which I completed in 2018. God’s abundant blessings to you. Ron du Preez
Hi Ron, I recall reading that interpretation a few times especially in Andrew's "History of the Sabbath." What I read was brief and not so conclusive. I would be happy to read the evidence you provide though. Nevertheless, in either of the two cases (whether the weekly Sabbath or a yearly sabbath) the Sabbath of the fourth commandment remains unaffected. As an institution it continued to be observed by the southern kingdom even after it was "ceased" in the north when Israel was besieged and attacked. Thanks for sharing!
Exactly, to complement on the light thing, in the polars they go months without light, so is there no sabath there? Do only certain parts of the world have sabath?
Time can be found not just by the light of the sun, but also by the light of the stars and moon which reflect light from the sun. Voyagers have been doing it for centuries. And this is biblical: Genesis 1:14-16 KJV - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made TWO GREAT LIGHTS; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the STARS also. Here are a few relevant links: www.britannica.com/science/calendar/Time-determination-by-stars-Sun-and-Moon www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/tell-time-by-stars.html
The command as given by Moses in the Name of God to the Jews was that the sabbath, and not Saturday, should be kept holy. The word sabbath means rest. The law includes two elements; one essential, that one day in seven should be dedicated to God; the other ceremonial, that the particular day should be chosen. The Jews selected Saturday. (from Radio Replies, Volume 1)
@@AdventDefenseLeague Any evidence from the Bible from you that backs up the belief that the Bible is made up of 66 books? Three years after Christ's Ascension, there was no Bible to consult. Not one book of the New Testament had been written. There existed, however, the Church Christ founded; namely, the Catholic Church. With that said, here is some reading material for you taken from Radio Replies: Christ, of course, accepting the Old Law prior to fulfilling and perfecting it by His new revelation, observed Saturday. But He Himself prepared the way for the change of day. He defended His disciples when the Jews accused them of not observing the sabbath strictly in the traditional sense. Matt. XII., 1-8. He rebukes a too severe an interpretation of the sabbath law. Lk. XIII., 10-16; XIV., 1-5; Jn. V., 9-18; VII., 22. He shows His authority to do as He may please with the sabbath. Mk. II., 27-28. Nowhere does He re-assert the obligation of observing the Jewish sabbath. Never does He quote this Jewish Law. In marked contrast, the New Testament pays special honor to Sunday. Christ rose on Sunday, and appeared to His Apostles on Sunday. He chose the following Sunday to appear to them when St. Thomas was present. Fifty days later He chose Sunday for the bestowal of the Holy Spirit upon His Church. The first Christians themselves observed Sunday from the very beginning. "On the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread." Acts XX., 7. St. Paul rebuked the Galatians because of their tendency to revert to Jewish customs, and above all in their observance of Jewish days as if they were still binding. Gal. IV., 9-10. To the Corinthians he wrote, "As I have given order to the churches of Galatia, so do ye also. On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart . . . what it shall well please him" towards the collection on behalf of the Church. 1 Cor., XVI., 1-2. In Rev. I., 10, St. John tells us that he was in the spirit "on the Lord's day," i.e. on the day on which Christ rose from the dead, and which was already dedicated to Him as sacred in a special way.
@@AdventDefenseLeague Firstly, I see no answer from you for this: " Any evidence from the Bible from you that backs up the belief that the Bible is made up of 66 books?" Secondly, I do not know what you are referencing when you say "your initial comment". I need you to copy and paste the comment you are referencing.
@@AdventDefenseLeague Oh, it is accurate. I used to be a Sabbatarian for the first 28 years of my life so I have some experience. Now I am Catholic. The thing is, keeping the 7th day holy wasn't part of any covenant prior to Moses. Not Abraham, not Noah. It was given for a time until Christ.
@@markrome9702 your fallacy is anecdotal. If you wish to debate this live, contact us at the links provided in the pinned post. We do not get into text debates because the space here is circumcised and the task is tedious. Thank you for abiding by the rules.
@@AdventDefenseLeague My being a Sabbatarian may be anecdotal but my point about the Covenants is not. But I get it, you don't debate in comments. Remember, resting on the Sabbath is not worship. Sacrifice = Worship. The Jews sacrificed every day of the week, therefore worship wasn't confined to one 24-hour day. It was actually the priests who were sacrificing with bread offerings on the Sabbath while the people rested.
@@markrome9702 do you not understand how to respect rules, Mark? Yes, as for the first part of your comment, it is anecdotal, and as for the second part, I do not have the time nor patience to type away for hours in text. If you want a debate, contact me at the links provided in the pinned post, and we can set it up. Edwin
♈️✅I wish you understood what position a priest who has attained to cardinality or simply a Cardinal is means next Step is becoming Pope so this is more than a priest , anyways 👉👉✅♈️ “… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876♈️♈️
One thing the Adventists share with RCC is the belief in, and promotion of the heretical Trinity doctrine. There are many Adventists coming to the knowledge and truth of that our Adventist Pioneer's were not Trinitarian.
@@AdventDefenseLeague It's most certainly not off topic. It is extremely difficult to be critical of the Roman Catholic Church when the SDA Church, of which I am a member, subscribes to and promotes the Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine. Adventist's are disingenuous when they don't investigate the position of our early Pioneer's which regard to this heretical doctrine that outright denies the personality of the Son of God. Tell me, what good is it to have the right day all the while denying the personality of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ along with the personality of His dear Son? Are you in denial?
Again, what good is it, or will it be, to have the "right" day and the wrong God? The SDA corporate church teaches the exact same Trinity doctrine as the Roman Catholic Church and all the other nominal, apostate Protestants. Are you prepared to stand with The Father and His Son Jesus Christ along with our Adventist Pioneer's, yes or no?
I said Catholics are honest people 👉👉👉✅✅”Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.✅✅ “💕The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, 💕and to dispense with all things, 😂even the precepts of Christ. 😂The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ” (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop♈️♈️
Jesus was NOT crucified on the 6th day, but the 4th day. Wednesday as we know today. True BIBLICAL SCHOLARS know this. God Sanctified the 7th Day, (NOT "SATURDAY") as a symbol of "ETERNAL" Rest. (Thus the name of the day of the week is irrelevant) Christianity doest NOT argue the Sunday is "Sanctified" (Thus this is another mute straw man argument) The Law of Sabbath Day Observance wasn't given until Mount Sinai, unto ONLY the Jews of THAT TIME, IN THAT PLACE. (as Substantiated by) Deuteronomy 5:3 "The LORD made NOT this covenant with our fathers but with us even us who are all of us here alive THIS day" (so Adam, Noah and other pre Moses Fathers were never commanded to "Observe The Sabbath Day") Jeremiah 3: 8 clearly states that GOD divorced Israel of its covenant. "And I saw when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had PUT HER AWAY and given her a BILL OF DIVORCE..." Now draw your attention to how Romans 7: 2 & 4 explains how Israel is no longer bound to GOD'S law because She is considered to be DEAD to her husband's law. 2 "For the woman which hath and husband is bound by the Law of her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead she is loosed from the law of her husband. 4 " Wherefore my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God" Hebrews 9 reveals to us how, when a Will takes effect when someone dies, is exactly how the new covenant was put into action with Jesus's death. His death marked the transition from the "OLD Testament" to the "NEW Testament" one canceling the old obligations and accompanying sins and summoning the airs to receive the eternal inheritance that was promised through Abraham and not Moses. In this, God brought together The Jews and The Gentiles to become one people, "The Body of Christ" 9:16 " For where a Testament is there must also of necessity be the death of the testator" 2nd Corinthians 3:, The writer clearly states to us that the 10 commandments on stone were actually done away with. 7 "But if the administration of death written and engraven and stones were glorious so that the children of Israel could not step fastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance which glory WAS ( referring in reflection back to the time of Moses) to be done away with." 11 "(now present time reference) ... For if that which IS done away with WAS glorious, then much more that which remaineth (Jesus Christ's "Law Of Grace") is glorious." 13 " And not as Moses which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the END of that which IS ABOLISHED" (so clearly the 10 Commandments written on STONE was in fact ABOLISHED) 14 " But their minds were blinded, for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which vale is done away in Christ." 15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their hearts." 16 "Nevertheless when IT (the nation of people who still hold to the 10 Commandments) shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away." 17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (The New Covenant is refer to as The Law of Liberty, :consisting of 1,050 Laws by the way, and no 4th Commandment of a Ceremonial 7th day of the week observance law is ever Is reiterated, nor even made mention of not once) BE CAREFUL NOT TO DISREGARD AND OVERLOOK, Such very scriptures that are trying to save us from such demonic doctrinal theologies. Romans 14 explains that those who do not eat pork or shall fish, ect; or only view Saturdays or Sundays as a "Holy Day" unto God, are actually those who are the weakest in the faith of Christ. ... Because now that the 10 commandments have been abolished, and we are under a new set of commandments, (that do not mention anything about abstaining from "unclean meats" or resting/observing a particular day of the week as a holy day) we are now free to eat and worship as we see fitting unto the Lord. 1 "As for the one who is WEAK in Faith, welcome him still, but not to quarrel over OPINIONS". 2 "One person believes he may EAT ANYTHING, while the WEAK person eats ONLY vegetables" 3 "Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains, pass judgment on the one who eats. for God has welcomed him all." 4 "Who art thou that judges another man's servant to his own master..." (here the gentiles are referred to as the servants of another, being Jesus Christ, rather than the 7th Day Sabbath observance. Hence the very reason why he follows it up with this very next verse.) 5 "One man esteemeth one day above another, while another esteemeth every day Alike let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (that he is ONLY doing so by way of personal preference, and NOT a means of salvific Righteousness or obedience to God) SO REMOVE THE VEIL FROM OVER Y EYES ADVENTIST.
Too many arbitrary arguments in one post, most of which we've already covered in videos and articles on our channel and website. Just pick one and we can go from there.
So much eisegsis in one post, it was painful to read. The same watered down and poor hermeneutic arguments: texts ripped from their context are always a pretext to insert whatever you want above what God has said and commanded. ADL has addressed most of these non-contextual arguments.
The first words of this presentation are; "Do you want a closer relationship with God?" I can have a closer relationship with God by worshipping Him on sundays in a church equally as worshipping Him in a church on saturdays. Adventists always make a big deal about what day is right or better for worship. Absolutely nonsense!
It is God who made a big deal about the Sabbath, not Adventists. And "worship" should take place daily. David, the Sabbath keeper, worshiped "every night" (Ps. 92:1-2). But God commanded that "rest" take place once a week on the Sabbath day, a practice that continued in the NT (Luke 23:56), and He commanded that "holy convocations" also take place on that day (Lev. 23:3), again a practice that continued in the NT church (Acts 13:14, 42-44, 15:21, 16:13, etc). E, we do not get into text debates. If you want to debate, send us an email and we can set it up. ADL
@@EricSaavy as I already explained various times, those persecuting Sabbath keepers were not actual Sabbath keepers. Jesus consistently rebuked them for their LACK of true Sabbath keeping, at one point teaching them HOW it is to truly be done (Matt. 12:12). Second of all, it was the Sunday keeping, no day keeping, every day keeping and some day keeping PAGAN Romans who persecuted and MURDERED Our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. What say you about that?
@@EricSaavy I've already asked you kindly and politely to stop spamming these posts with all your pre-saved chunks of book-length texts. It is obnoxious and disrespectful. I understand that it's a tactic to overwelm your opponent like this. It doesn't really mean anything if you overwhelm me and I don't have the time to get to everything. It's just another sad tactic. Once more, stop spamming the text fields. Thank you.
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The Commandment about the Sabbath distinctly states “the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.” It doesn’t get more clear than that. Everyone knows the calendar starts Every week with Sunday, then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So there is no confusion Saturday is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. History confirms that the Catholic Church and their Pope in the year 336AD changed the “Solumnity” (Sacred Emphasis) from the 7th Day to the (False Catholic Sabbath “Sunday”). So what more evidence do you need? Case closed SDA correct, Catholic (and all the denominations that honor the Catholic sabbath) WRONG!
Thank you both for this. I find it refreshing and respectful, solid and edifying. Just don't understand why I never knew of this RUclips site before, but I will share it.
Thanks for sharing!
I thank you brothers for defending biblical facts.
Here’s one way to look at this.. ask yourself which scenario makes more sense? Let’s say the 7th day Adventist are wrong about keeping the 4th commandment and you actually didn’t Have to still keep the Sabbath , and it’s Judgment Day,…will God say “I know you were just trying to be obedient , but you did not have to keep the Sabbath. But since you rested one day and choose to worship Me that day , you are now Going to Hell “? Not likely… but on the other Hand, if the evangelical teaching is wrong , do you think God will say, even tho you chose To break my Commands, it’s ok, you can still come to Heaven”… not likely, because even the New Testament says “ he who says he loved God but does not keep the commandments is a Liar”.!I’d rather take my chances, trying to be obedient, the blatantly ignore Gods Commandments. The Bible says “obedience is better than Sacrifice 1cor 7:19 (and this is New Testament teaching btw)
It's amazing how people can take a simple very simple topic like that of the Sabbath and make it so complicated for nothing, the day Jesus said He is Lord of, because He gave it to Adam verbally and to Moses written on Stone. The consistency of the scriptures when studied diligently prayerfully is made clear. It still amazes me that so many who are so call Doctors of theology can't seem to see clearly the truth of the Sabbath; and not just the Sabbath, but other things such as the topic of Hell and preaching the false doctrines that there are and there will be forever people burning in Hell Fire. People have become dumber and dumber even with all the technology that we have. The minds of people have decline at an alarming speed, and of course with the help of demonic influences. If well presented, the Sabbath and all other issues are easily defended.
True, my job is easy. Incredibly easy. The Lord gets the credit of course.
Thanks for commenting.
The alternative to keeping the Seventh day Sabbath has always been idol and image worship. Just look at the Nations that surrounded Israel, their worship practices and styles and you will find a pattern of heathen worship that continues even to this day. From the beginning of time until now the people of God have kept the Sabbath. Any interjection of any other day whatsoever and whenever during the course of human history was not sanctioned by God and is the result of human conjecture and speculation. All worship practices have roots. One worship day comes from the loving heart of God and the other days come from mere mortals who are motivated by the god of this world who hate God and his commandments. The alternative to keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath in the 4th commandment will always be the same. Idol worship means no worship and in vain men and women will try and worship God teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Catholics are very honest except this Catholic presenter , listen to what they say in their own book
✅✅Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
✅✅Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
✅✅Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
✅✅Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50♈️♈️
Edwin, it was an honor to stand by your side and defend the Sabbath Truth. May we all give our hearts to Christ Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5)
Yes
ADVENTIST STONES DEATH
The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7).
The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love.
John 13:34-35
[34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant.
The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant.
In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit .
Ephesians 1:13
[13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 8:9,14
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
ADVENTIST STONES DEATH
The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7).
The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love.
John 13:34-35
[34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant.
The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant.
In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit .
Ephesians 1:13
[13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 8:9,14
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
@@komislattroblox1806
ADVENTIST STONES DEATH
The Ten Commandments are an old covenant law based on righteousness by works, for the law is not of faith. The Ten Commandments are called " the ministration of death ENGRAVED in STONES " for a reason (see 2 Corinthians 3:7).
The law of the New COVENANT is based on righteousness by faith of Jesus Christ , the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
The law of Christ is the law of the new covenant even the law of Love.
John 13:34-35
[34]A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
[35]By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Ten Commandments are not the law of the Spirit nor of the new covenant.
The only reason why SDA still clinging to the old covenant is because they claim the sabbath is seal of God which is not according to the new testament but an old covenant sign under the old covenant.
In the new covenant , the seal of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ is the Holy Spiritpirit .
Ephesians 1:13
[13]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 8:9,14
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[14]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
@@EricSaavy so, if someone shoots an innocent kid in. A drive-bye, that would be a sin right ? Because thou shall not nurse… but..if God (who jesus is ), says to kill a whole nation (as was done through the Old Testament), is that sinning because “tho shall not murder”? Of course not. So using that Sane logic, If we decide to work on our own account on the Sabbath ,then yes, that would be a sin for disobeying the 4th Commandment. But if Jesus (who is God) tells you to “work” on the Sabbath, it also is Not a sin. Furthermore , the disciples were not farming and harvesting on the Sabbath,. If u notice the context of what there were doin by picking of some wheat and eating it on the Sabbath , is the equivalion of walking by an apple tree and plucking off an apple on the Sabbath… that is hardly “Work”… therefore Jesus wasn’t defending them “working” on the Sabbath.
Great video!!!
It is good to know that not the earth but the city of the New Jerusalem is the one that will have no need of the sun nor the moon because God's glory is greater than them (Rev. 21:23; Isa. 60:19, 20). Isaiah 24:23 clearly states that the sun and moon will be in their respective places but they will be confounded because of God's glory when He is reigning in Zion. A good analogy is when you light up a candle in the middle of the day when the sun is the brightest. Futhermore, Isaiah 66:23 tells us that every Sabbath day and every new moon day all believers will gather together to worship our King. These are clearly weekly and monthly cycles.
God bless.
This is the correct interpretation. I made some of these same points in the debate and used a similar analogy. Thanks for sharing it here.
Edwin
The good book also says that the sun will be seven times brighter and the moon will be as bright as the sun is now as stated in Isaiah 30:26.
Praise GOD! I cannot wait for that day and eternity thereafter!
Is Sunday sacred? Yes. ALL days are sacred, because each day is a gift from God. A point that everyone, Catholic or not, seems to be missing in this debate is that the Apostles celebrated EVERY day of the week with worship and bread-breaking (see Acts 2:46). Throughout history, and even today, the Catholic Church has treated every day as holy by celebrating Mass every day, not just one day a week. So my point here is that, ALL days are kept holy by the Catholic Church; it's just that Sunday is the only day of the week (besides the special holy days set aside at certain times throughout the year) that Catholics are REQUIRED to attend Mass.
Worshiping and breaking bread on Sunday no mores Sunday sacred, anymore than Worshiping and breaking bread on Tuesday makes Tuesday sacred. God makes a thing holy by saying so, like He has done for many things, yet never for Sunday.
@@EricSaavy boy, you must really think you got me on this one! Robt, this is a very common argument I often see coming from Catholics in defense of Sunday sacredness, which has long been refuted from us crazy heretical SDAs and other faithful Sabbath keepers. First, let's talk about Pentecost. According to Acts 1:3, Jesus stuck around after His resurrection for forty days after His resurrection, which means His ascension took place on a THURSDAY. Luke 24:44-52 describes the disciples worshiping Him at His ascension on that very day. From the resurrection to Pentecost was 50 days, but from His ascension on Thursday to Pentecost was 10 days. Count those ten days from the Thursday ascension to Pentecost and you will find that there were two Sundays within those ten days. The Holy Spirit descends on the disciples on the SECOND Sunday of those last two Sundays, NOT the first Sunday. Why, if it was all about the day, did not the Holy Spirit descend on that first of the two Sundays? You might say that its because of the type and you'd be evidently correct. Obviously, it was NOT about the DAY, but about the fulfillment of the TYPE! That one, single Sunday was important only insofar as it pertained to the final fulfillment of the type, that was all. But that would not make every consecutive Sunday sacred anymore than Jesus' ascension on Thursday makes every consecutive Thursday sacred. Note that the Holy Spirit descended many times (Acts 4:31, 8:17, 10:44, 11:15, 19:6), and none of these texts describe it happening every time on a Sunday. Once the type met antitype, that one and lonely Sunday did it's job. Now it continued to happen spontaneously as the people made decisions for the Lord. Incidentally, we SDAs get accused of elevating the day above everything else. Catholics apparently make a thing about the day in this situation when the important thing was not the day, neither did this magically transform every consecutive Sunday as a sacred day. None of that is present in the text. Moreover, since when does the descent of the Holy Spirit make a day special? Not a single text says that the Holy Spirit's decent on that day, made that day sacred. And even if it did, that does not translate to every consecutive Sunday after that! To say so would be to input your own eisegetical interpretation into the verse.
In history the method for calculating those 50 days to Pentecost depended on who you spoke to. The Sadducees calculated one way, the Pharisees calculated another way. Which ever way you chose to calculate determines whether Pentecost landed on every 50th "Sunday" once a year or simply every 50th day of any day in the week. The debate centered about the phrase "after the seventh Sabbath" in Lev. 23:16. Confirmation bias typically leads the way here. To avoid this, I argue from a different angle. Assuming Pentecost landed on every 50th Sunday previous to Acts 2, so what? God did not "sanctify" that day as He did the seventh day, and as you claimed above. Read the text carefully. Lev. 23:21 says "YOU shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you." God is in the details (not the devil). In Gen. 2:3, GOD HIMSELF proclaims the seventh day holy and sanctifies it. Here, God tells THEM to proclaim it. The PEOPLE were to proclaim it. What God did on the seventh day in Gen. 2:3 applies to ALL men (Mark 2:27, which we can debate as well). What God did in Lev. 23:21 applies strictly to the Israelites. The text clearly and carefully read, "is a holy convocation TO YOU" (verse 21). Therefore, when I wrote above "never on Sunday" I meant it. GOD never "sanctifies" a single Sunday. Sure He directed the Israelites to sanctify various days of the week, from the first day to the eight day, to the fourteenth and fifteenth day and even to the tenth day (Lev. 23:4-6, 26, 34, 39). But that does not compare to GOD setting aside the weekly seventh day as the day God ceased from His creative works from the foundation of the world, and purposely sanctifies and blesses it (Gen 2:2-3). Those various days were temporary ceremonial days ending at the cross (Col. 2:14-16, which I will respond to at your other post). But the seventh day remains sacred throughout eternity (Isa. 66:23, which I will be happy to respond to, but in open, LIVE video debate).
Moreover, even if that Pentecost Sunday was sacred, that does not translate to EVERY weekly Sunday as being Sacred. This is a classic case of eisegesis on the part of the Catholics. You cannot use this to make every Sunday sacred because anciently this was a YEARLY, not a weekly thing. Even after the cross, the first of the two Sundays in those last 10 days after the ascension was skipped over. Evidently, the weekly Sunday was not suddenly considered as a weekly sacred day. Nor can critics appeal to 1 Cor. 16 as an example of weekly Sunday keeping, because the laying of goods aside to help the poor saints suffering famine in Jerusalem (verses 3-5, cf. Rom 15:25-26, Acts 11:28) was a temporary one-time deal, until their suffering was relieved, which by the way was to be laid personally "by him in store" (verse 2), and not in a church service.
Robt, you placed yourself in an awkward situation when you wrote that Pentecost Sunday is a commanded Sabbath and Holy Day "AS MUCH AS THE WEEKLY SABBATH." Well, this must mean that you keep both the yearly Pentecost Sunday AND the weekly Sabbath. I suppose therefore that you are now a Sabbath keeper like the ones you claim CRUCIFIED the Lord!
You made a thing about the Sabbath keeping accusers of Jesus being Sabbath keepers. Incidentally, Peter and the apostles were all Sabbath keepers also. So what's your point? Actually, Jesus' constant debate with those Sabbath keepers proves that they actually were NOT true Sabbath keepers. He corrects them constantly on how to TRULY keep the Sabbath. For example, He told that that "it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath days" (Matt. 12:12). Thus, they were not really keeping the Sabbath. He had to teach them HOW to keep it the right way. They were breaking the Sabbath with their legalism and rigid extra-biblical rules. So, evidently, it was not Sabbath keepers who accused Jesus, it was seventh-day keepers that accused Jesus. There is a big big difference.
I have purposely refused to respond to your personal attacks (like when you addressed me, an SDA, as a bigot full of pagan superstitions and fables). It is very common for critics to engage in fallacies such as that one (ad hominem). But I will not entertain it. Why can't you see how unnecessary it is to address another individual in that manner? And why also can't you see that the texts you brought up have not been looked at deeper as they should have been? Let me appeal to you to have a real, personal bible study on these topics in a private video conference. What do you say? Because afterall, I am only going to respond ONE time in text and, more importantly, my life is at stake for believing in error. You do want to save me from error, don't you? Debating in text is way too time consuming and I am sure you would approve of my spending this time better with my family, yes? Video conference are much shorter and more productive. Let's do it.
Meanwhile, I will reply to your other comments later on. This bigoted, superstitious, fable believing nut-job (as accused by your counterpart on another post) is going to church now with his unfortunately confused Sabbath keeping family. Blessings.
@@EricSaavy all this rambling and not a single reply to anything I wrote. So, I will not be getting into any new points, until you, point by point, address every argument I made in response to yours above. I will wait until thats done before moving on. You won't read any reply from me until then.
And, I am asking you kindly to stop spamming all the posts on this video with book-length comments, and if I had the time and desire to tackle everything you have to say. Show some consideration for my time. Personally I think a LIVE public debate will do better here.
@@EricSaavy I'm done with you spamming and flooding all the texts fields, with your name calling and false accusations. You've annoyed me so much I could care less what you think of my removing you from here. I've repeatedly warned you to stop obnoxiously flooding the comments and you refuse to show even the slightest decency and respect. You have my email. If you want to have a real debate, contact me.
I'm leaving this comment here for long enough until you see it. Then I'll be removing you from off this page. Think what you will. God will judge betwixt you and I on that great day.
Edwin
This was a really excellent presentation. Edwin and Christopher did great. They were calm and concise and they did a good job.
After rising from the dead, Jesus celebrated His first Christian service (consisting of Him reading and explaining the Scriptures, then breaking bread, which is the outline of every Catholic Mass) on Sunday afternoon. See Luke 24:27-31. Why didn't he wait until the next Sabbath, if that is the correct day of worship for Christians?
That is the truth,these people don't know what they say, they can't celebrate what Christ celebrated the eucharist.
The day of Jesus' resurrection also falls during the Feast of the Unleavened Bread IIRC.
Even so Jesus celebrating two consecutive Sundays with bread breaking, is it written in the Bible where Jesus commanded to break bread every Sunday or that everyone should stop honoring the 7th Day?
Breaking bread, or in other words having a meal and doing a Bible study with his disciples is NOT Him sanctifying a new day, setting aside, or making holy the first day of the week. If you have that text, please supply book, chapter, and verse.
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@Mike Flanagan hello, would you like to discuss Col. 2:16 over a video conference, either in private or in public? Let me know and we will set it up.
@Mike Flanagan Make sure you copy and save this refutation of the adventists. I have a feeling their abrasiveness to "text debates" is an unfortunate extension of what happens when cognitive dissonance strikes.
@Mike Flanagan There was a gigantic text of evidence and argumentation you had made that I cant find now. I really wanted to screenshot it and save it but I think this channel removed it. Im wondering if their offer to discuss this with you via video conference is to save face for removing your other comment because a part of it is shown in my notifications but its not here in the thread.
@@ArcanicFire I purposely and unapologetically removed some of Mike's comments because they were rude and the claims within them were false. I prewarned everyone months ago that I would do this in my original post above. So it was not to save face. Rather, it was an attempt at sticking to my own policy of not tolerating those kinds of comments. Other comments however deemed not rude and false were left intact.
You should know that Mike arranged with me via email to have a public debate and suddenly canceled, calling me a low life and sending me to hell. Who is saving face now? He was all high and mighty until it got real, then he bailed. This is the typical behavior of 99% of all critics I encounter. I will be writing an article about these kinds of critics for my website soon.
Edwin
@@EricSaavy Thank you so much. All screenshotted. God bless. Im not guna bother respondong tondefense leagues reply to me. I have a degree in history where I studied the trajectory of european law and religious practices, the SDA "church" has a huge ignorance towards what the reality of biblical doctrine is via the Greek Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I recommend they check out a RUclipsr called Catholic Truth. He rips the SDA claims to shreds in multiple videos. He also doesnt delete comments of those who disagree with him. The truth will come out.
Edwin Cotto did a great job.. I am thankul to the Lord and sir Edwin..God bless Seventh Day Adventist Family
Garbage
Is it ok raise objection during the presentation of the opponent especially when you see the presentation of the opponent was out of the topic? Thanks for your response.
Yes, it is ok, and I should have done that! Alvin was totally off topic and really scrambled all over the place. Next time, I will not allow that to happen. Thanks for watching! (and sorry it took me so long to answer your question). Blessings!
There are two questions that I wanted to ask SDA>
1. Where is Ellen white in the bible?
2. Going to church on Saturday is keeping the sabbath???? You can ask the help of SDA bible scholars if you cant answer them on your own!!! Good luck
Ellen White refuted her own denomination. She admitted that you won't find Sabbath keeping in the New Testament. It is only "assumed."
" _The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed_ "
From Counsels on Stewardship, p66 TithPG 10.3
did God speak in old testament that Saturday is official sabbath day?
Yes, Exodus 20:4 and Mathews 28:1
God said the 7th day we humans know the 7th to be called Saturday
I have quotes from Non-Adventist Modern Day Contemporary Sources that say that the Sabbath was Normative for the Early Church
Please share!
Maybe you should show the debate so we can hear from both sides
It's on our channel.
Im very sorry for the Adventist, im my self was one. I bless my lord Jesus Christ, because he had mercy on me
Was there something meaningful you wanted to add to the discussion of the video? Or are you here to merely express your feelings?
The Seal of GOD, Sabbath 4th commandment,
thank you Lord Jesus, has given the day for us, to remind us the Creator and be blessed and sanctified in it.
Hi Edwin,
Just a somewhat “minor” point: The word “sabbath” in Hosea 2:11 refers to the ceremonial sabbaths of ancient Israel. There is quite a lot of evidence from the context, structure, language, etc., that virtually proves it irrefutably. By the way, this proof is included in the dissertation for my PhD on the topic of the word “sabbata” in Colossians 2:16, which I completed in 2018.
God’s abundant blessings to you.
Ron du Preez
Hi Ron,
I recall reading that interpretation a few times especially in Andrew's "History of the Sabbath." What I read was brief and not so conclusive. I would be happy to read the evidence you provide though. Nevertheless, in either of the two cases (whether the weekly Sabbath or a yearly sabbath) the Sabbath of the fourth commandment remains unaffected. As an institution it continued to be observed by the southern kingdom even after it was "ceased" in the north when Israel was besieged and attacked.
Thanks for sharing!
@@AdventDefenseLeague; How can we connect directly -- so, I can perhaps be of help, so that you can strengthen your arguments regarding the Sabbath?
@@rondupreez372 send me an email: info@adventistdefenseleague.com
@@rondupreez372 your dissertation, is that the book "Judging the Sabbath?"
@@AdventDefenseLeague: No, that book came out about 10 years before I got my PhD (in 2018). I will email you soon.
Exactly, to complement on the light thing, in the polars they go months without light, so is there no sabath there? Do only certain parts of the world have sabath?
Time can be found not just by the light of the sun, but also by the light of the stars and moon which reflect light from the sun. Voyagers have been doing it for centuries. And this is biblical:
Genesis 1:14-16 KJV - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made TWO GREAT LIGHTS; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the STARS also.
Here are a few relevant links:
www.britannica.com/science/calendar/Time-determination-by-stars-Sun-and-Moon
www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/tell-time-by-stars.html
The command as given by Moses in the Name of God to the Jews was that the sabbath, and not Saturday, should be kept holy. The word sabbath means rest. The law includes two elements; one essential, that one day in seven should be dedicated to God; the other ceremonial, that the particular day should be chosen. The Jews selected Saturday. (from Radio Replies, Volume 1)
Any biblical verses to back any of this up?
@@AdventDefenseLeague Any evidence from the Bible from you that backs up the belief that the Bible is made up of 66 books?
Three years after Christ's Ascension, there was no Bible to consult. Not one book of the New Testament had been written. There existed, however, the Church Christ founded; namely, the Catholic Church.
With that said, here is some reading material for you taken from Radio Replies:
Christ, of course, accepting the Old Law prior to fulfilling and perfecting it by His new revelation, observed Saturday. But He Himself prepared the way for the change of day. He defended His disciples when the Jews accused them of not observing the sabbath strictly in the traditional sense. Matt. XII., 1-8. He rebukes a too severe an interpretation of the sabbath law. Lk. XIII., 10-16; XIV., 1-5; Jn. V., 9-18; VII., 22. He shows His authority to do as He may please with the sabbath. Mk. II., 27-28. Nowhere does He re-assert the obligation of observing the Jewish sabbath. Never does He quote this Jewish Law. In marked contrast, the New Testament pays special honor to Sunday. Christ rose on Sunday, and appeared to His Apostles on Sunday. He chose the following Sunday to appear to them when St. Thomas was present. Fifty days later He chose Sunday for the bestowal of the Holy Spirit upon His Church. The first Christians themselves observed Sunday from the very beginning. "On the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread." Acts XX., 7. St. Paul rebuked the Galatians because of their tendency to revert to Jewish customs, and above all in their observance of Jewish days as if they were still binding. Gal. IV., 9-10. To the Corinthians he wrote, "As I have given order to the churches of Galatia, so do ye also. On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart . . . what it shall well please him" towards the collection on behalf of the Church. 1 Cor., XVI., 1-2. In Rev. I., 10, St. John tells us that he was in the spirit "on the Lord's day," i.e. on the day on which Christ rose from the dead, and which was already dedicated to Him as sacred in a special way.
@@Channel-nq7eo ok, any OLD TESTAMENT scriptures then, which Christ and the apostles used, to back up what you wrote in your initial comment?
@@AdventDefenseLeague Firstly, I see no answer from you for this: " Any evidence from the Bible from you that backs up the belief that the Bible is made up of 66 books?"
Secondly, I do not know what you are referencing when you say "your initial comment". I need you to copy and paste the comment you are referencing.
Does anyone have the original debate?
ruclips.net/video/Q5GqkqTgdP4/видео.html
@@AdventDefenseLeague Video taken down brother
@@mrsir8094 thanks for the heads up. Not sure why they did that. I'll try and see who else recorded it and post a new link.
NEW LINK TO THE ORIGINAL DEBATE: ruclips.net/video/1W6wLkAlv-g/видео.html
@@AdventDefenseLeague Thanks brother! Much love
We are not bound by the Old Covenant. We are only bound by the moral commands. 7th day keeping isn't a moral command. Neither is circumcision.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, even though it is inaccurate.
@@AdventDefenseLeague Oh, it is accurate. I used to be a Sabbatarian for the first 28 years of my life so I have some experience. Now I am Catholic. The thing is, keeping the 7th day holy wasn't part of any covenant prior to Moses. Not Abraham, not Noah. It was given for a time until Christ.
@@markrome9702 your fallacy is anecdotal. If you wish to debate this live, contact us at the links provided in the pinned post. We do not get into text debates because the space here is circumcised and the task is tedious.
Thank you for abiding by the rules.
@@AdventDefenseLeague My being a Sabbatarian may be anecdotal but my point about the Covenants is not. But I get it, you don't debate in comments. Remember, resting on the Sabbath is not worship. Sacrifice = Worship. The Jews sacrificed every day of the week, therefore worship wasn't confined to one 24-hour day. It was actually the priests who were sacrificing with bread offerings on the Sabbath while the people rested.
@@markrome9702 do you not understand how to respect rules, Mark? Yes, as for the first part of your comment, it is anecdotal, and as for the second part, I do not have the time nor patience to type away for hours in text. If you want a debate, contact me at the links provided in the pinned post, and we can set it up.
Edwin
♈️✅I wish you understood what position a priest who has attained to cardinality or simply a Cardinal is means next Step is becoming Pope so this is more than a priest , anyways 👉👉✅♈️ “… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876♈️♈️
One thing the Adventists share with RCC is the belief in, and promotion of the heretical Trinity doctrine.
There are many Adventists coming to the knowledge and truth of that our Adventist Pioneer's were not Trinitarian.
This is off the topic of the video.
@@AdventDefenseLeague It's most certainly not off topic. It is extremely difficult to be critical of the Roman Catholic Church when the SDA Church, of which I am a member, subscribes to and promotes the Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine.
Adventist's are disingenuous when they don't investigate the position of our early Pioneer's which regard to this heretical doctrine that outright denies the personality of the Son of God.
Tell me, what good is it to have the right day all the while denying the personality of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ along with the personality of His dear Son?
Are you in denial?
The Papacy will eventually persecute Non-trinitarians.
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What I mean, is that you are off the topic of the video. Its about the Sabbath, not the Trinity. So, you are off topic.
Again, what good is it, or will it be, to have the "right" day and the wrong God?
The SDA corporate church teaches the exact same Trinity doctrine as the Roman Catholic Church and all the other nominal, apostate Protestants.
Are you prepared to stand with The Father and His Son Jesus Christ along with our Adventist Pioneer's, yes or no?
I said Catholics are honest people 👉👉👉✅✅”Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.✅✅
“💕The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, 💕and to dispense with all things, 😂even the precepts of Christ. 😂The Pope has authority and has often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ” (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop♈️♈️
Jesus was NOT crucified on the 6th day, but the 4th day. Wednesday as we know today.
True BIBLICAL SCHOLARS know this.
God Sanctified the 7th Day, (NOT "SATURDAY") as a symbol of "ETERNAL" Rest.
(Thus the name of the day of the week is irrelevant)
Christianity doest NOT argue the Sunday is "Sanctified"
(Thus this is another mute straw man argument)
The Law of Sabbath Day Observance wasn't given until Mount Sinai, unto ONLY the Jews of THAT TIME, IN THAT PLACE.
(as Substantiated by) Deuteronomy 5:3
"The LORD made NOT this covenant with our fathers but with us even us who are all of us here alive THIS day" (so Adam, Noah and other pre Moses Fathers were never commanded to "Observe The Sabbath Day")
Jeremiah 3: 8 clearly states that GOD divorced Israel of its covenant.
"And I saw when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had PUT HER AWAY and given her a BILL OF DIVORCE..."
Now draw your attention to how Romans 7: 2 & 4 explains how Israel is no longer bound to GOD'S law because She is considered to be DEAD to her husband's law.
2 "For the woman which hath and husband is bound by the Law of her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead she is loosed from the law of her husband.
4 " Wherefore my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God"
Hebrews 9 reveals to us how, when a Will takes effect when someone dies, is exactly how the new covenant was put into action with Jesus's death. His death marked the transition from the "OLD Testament" to the "NEW Testament" one canceling the old obligations and accompanying sins and summoning the airs to receive the eternal inheritance that was promised through Abraham and not Moses. In this, God brought together The Jews and The Gentiles to become one people, "The Body of Christ"
9:16 " For where a Testament is there must also of necessity be the death of the testator"
2nd Corinthians 3:, The writer clearly states to us that the 10 commandments on stone were actually done away with.
7 "But if the administration of death written and engraven and stones were glorious so that the children of Israel could not step fastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance which glory WAS ( referring in reflection back to the time of Moses) to be done away with."
11 "(now present time reference) ... For if that which IS done away with WAS glorious, then much more that which remaineth (Jesus Christ's "Law Of Grace") is glorious."
13 " And not as Moses which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the END of that which IS ABOLISHED"
(so clearly the 10 Commandments written on STONE was in fact ABOLISHED)
14 " But their minds were blinded, for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament, which vale is done away in Christ."
15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their hearts."
16 "Nevertheless when IT (the nation of people who still hold to the 10 Commandments) shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away."
17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
(The New Covenant is refer to as The Law of Liberty, :consisting of 1,050 Laws by the way, and no 4th Commandment of a Ceremonial 7th day of the week observance law is ever Is reiterated, nor even made mention of not once)
BE CAREFUL NOT TO DISREGARD AND OVERLOOK, Such very scriptures that are trying to save us from such demonic doctrinal theologies.
Romans 14 explains that those who do not eat pork or shall fish, ect; or only view Saturdays or Sundays as a "Holy Day" unto God, are actually those who are the weakest in the faith of Christ. ... Because now that the 10 commandments have been abolished, and we are under a new set of commandments, (that do not mention anything about abstaining from "unclean meats" or resting/observing a particular day of the week as a holy day) we are now free to eat and worship as we see fitting unto the Lord.
1 "As for the one who is WEAK in Faith, welcome him still, but not to quarrel over OPINIONS".
2 "One person believes he may EAT ANYTHING, while the WEAK person eats ONLY vegetables"
3 "Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains, pass judgment on the one who eats. for God has welcomed him all."
4 "Who art thou that judges another man's servant to his own master..."
(here the gentiles are referred to as the servants of another, being Jesus Christ, rather than the 7th Day Sabbath observance. Hence the very reason why he follows it up with this very next verse.)
5 "One man esteemeth one day above another, while another esteemeth every day Alike let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (that he is ONLY doing so by way of personal preference, and NOT a means of salvific Righteousness or obedience to God)
SO REMOVE THE VEIL FROM OVER Y EYES ADVENTIST.
Too many arbitrary arguments in one post, most of which we've already covered in videos and articles on our channel and website. Just pick one and we can go from there.
So much eisegsis in one post, it was painful to read. The same watered down and poor hermeneutic arguments: texts ripped from their context are always a pretext to insert whatever you want above what God has said and commanded. ADL has addressed most of these non-contextual arguments.
The first words of this presentation are;
"Do you want a closer relationship with God?"
I can have a closer relationship with God by worshipping Him on sundays in a church equally as worshipping Him in a church on saturdays.
Adventists always make a big deal about what day is right or better for worship. Absolutely nonsense!
It is God who made a big deal about the Sabbath, not Adventists. And "worship" should take place daily. David, the Sabbath keeper, worshiped "every night" (Ps. 92:1-2). But God commanded that "rest" take place once a week on the Sabbath day, a practice that continued in the NT (Luke 23:56), and He commanded that "holy convocations" also take place on that day (Lev. 23:3), again a practice that continued in the NT church (Acts 13:14, 42-44, 15:21, 16:13, etc).
E, we do not get into text debates. If you want to debate, send us an email and we can set it up.
ADL
@Mike Flanagan Let's debate the facts LIVE over video. Your so big behind the computer. Let's set it up. What do you say?
@Mike Flanagan we will have a formal debate. Send me an email and we will set it up. info@adventistdefenseleague.com
@Mike Flanagan enough talk. Email me,
@@AdventDefenseLeague did the brother end up emailing to set up a debate?? The trash talking was kind of amusing 😁
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@@EricSaavy as I already explained various times, those persecuting Sabbath keepers were not actual Sabbath keepers. Jesus consistently rebuked them for their LACK of true Sabbath keeping, at one point teaching them HOW it is to truly be done (Matt. 12:12). Second of all, it was the Sunday keeping, no day keeping, every day keeping and some day keeping PAGAN Romans who persecuted and MURDERED Our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. What say you about that?
@@EricSaavy I've already asked you kindly and politely to stop spamming these posts with all your pre-saved chunks of book-length texts. It is obnoxious and disrespectful. I understand that it's a tactic to overwelm your opponent like this. It doesn't really mean anything if you overwhelm me and I don't have the time to get to everything. It's just another sad tactic. Once more, stop spamming the text fields. Thank you.
Come on!!! This is a debate lol 😂
No, this is a REVIEW of a debate. To view the actual debate, click here: ruclips.net/video/1W6wLkAlv-g/видео.html