I own a 2.3 hpp manual and I can assure that this car leaves no frustration...I can match 5.0's all day on drags, sometimes I win (if they are manuals as me), most of the times I lose, but it's always close and not embarrassing at all, quite the opposite BTW, ppl get impressed how powerful this mustang can be...you won't get the heavenly sound of the v8, that's true. But if u can live with that, the HPP is a perfect daily drive in my opinion. On top of that, I can endure a whole week before hitting the gas station, and I like to push it on straight lines and dragging on the lights (when it's safe, lol)...anyways, it's not a fight, it's more like choosing whats the best fit for you buck and need! They're both amazing cars and deserve respect for what the brand mustang represents. Peace yall!!
Hey how is the shifter feel? I’m also thinking of a m/t but I seem a review and the guy said the shifter sucked 😫 Also they say it’s slow and not that fast
@@SWEETVENOM100 can't say it's the best in the world...but it's far from bad. If you like dragging and quick starts you probably will want to work on a better one, but if it's a daily drive and you just want to put some miles on it every once in awhile, than the hpp m/t is ready for you.
@@SWEETVENOM100 about the speed, don't know you are talking about the transmission response or the car...but I can tell you none of them is slow... just a friendly reminder we are talking about a 315-340 HP's machine...don't expect a Shelby GT performance, but you definitely won't miss the power when you hit the highway.
@@cezarbolado I meant I’ve seen online folks say that this car is slow. About the shifter, how does it feel? Is it nice and crips? Fun to row thru the gears?
@@cezarbolado what cars can it pull on? I want something a lot quicker than what I have, which is a ‘22 Si I used to own a FBO+hybrid turbo FiST and just miss having the power to pull
Well, I did 6000 km in Mustang Ecoboost 2023 and I must say it's a hell of a car. Fast, it gets attention, it looks, it's great to drive and fuel consumtion is around 26-27 mpg (9-10 l/100 km). Is it slower than GT? Yes! Is it having a half of cilnders of GT? Yes! But... it's still Mustang that gives you chills everytime you enter the car and turn the engine on. ;) Love it for every highs ans lows!
Now this guy is the type of drivers that we all need to be following on RUclips. None of these Matt Farrah, TJ Hunt, or Stradman guys. Why? Because this guy can actually DRIVE REALLY WELL!
Amen... Intelligent useful commentary backed up with driving skill. I cant stand all the youtubers that dont bring anything of actual value to the video. We jist nees Top Gear to let Chris Harris go back to his old show.
Just ordered a California Special. Not interested in taking it on the track. Ordered the Mageride though. I feel if I bought the 4 cylinder I would always regret not getting the V8.
Congrats! What color? I have a 21 GT/CS Fastback in Velocity Blue with MT82 and love it. Mine is not going to the track either. I've been a V8 guy since the 70's and jsut couldn't get past the sound of the 4 banger exhaust! Nothing against the ecoboost...I have it in my 2020 explorer and it has great pickup for a explorer. Just can't do it in a Mustang when V8s are still available....
@@uncle_salty_3675 the engine and power is exactly the same as the GT. It has 10 less HP this year, regardless what model you order. 10 HP is negligible, it's not gonna bother me!
Mine is due to arrive in April with a manual and MagneRide, apparently you cannot order a manual anymore in the EU/UK so I am lucky. I drove an auto version for 10 days a few years back and it's no way as fun and a bit irritating at times.
i just got my 2022 ecoboost high performance with handling package in a ten speed automatic. I absolutely love it. is all the car ill need for autocross, easier to push on a street without causing a scene, and i saved the extra 10k to get a similar trim on a v8.
the 2.3 in the mustang is hardly a high performance compared to the 2.3 in the mk3 rs. mustang 300hp and 400nm of torque mk3 rs of the fpm 375 which most are is 378hp and 500nm of torque and in a car so capable as the rs platform its a night and day difference. that is also shown in the times of when the cars - mustang v8 and focus rs did the nurburgring mustang v8 8min7 seconds the mk3 did it a second and a half faster. in standard trim 345hp and 470nm of torque its great the sound of the v8 but its not that good and knowing the potential of how both cars can be modified the rs still comes out on to as a track focused car.
@@fugginrambo the motor is completely fine on track the only issues ever seen is lspi which on track is irrelevant and the incorrect head gasket issue also irrelevant .
The Coyote engine weighs less than 50 lbs more (closer to 30) than the 2.3 turbo and makes a lot more power (460 hp/420 lb ft) from the factory. It also has a lot more performance potential than the 4 cyl. Really no compelling reason to go with the 2.3L. Ford doesn't make the Focus anymore and that's not a bad thing. Mustang v8 time on the ring is faster than the Focus RS too (7:58 compared to 8:06). The v8 will also still be working long after the 2.3 is worn out.
@@StefBelgium Carexpert drove both the Mustang and Supra (250kw version) around Queensland Raceway, with the Supra coming out on top. I'd rather follow the results of a proper racing driver than some... RUclips amateur driver.
Right lol. My Taurus SHO has the Twin turbo 3.5 V6 and it is a beast of a sedan. If that engine was in a mustang I bet it would outperform the GT model
It is, I bought one a couple of weeks ago and so far I love it. I traded a 2021 California Special because I needed better mileage driving to and from work, a 70 mile daily commute.
I was o n the fence between the 2.3HP and the 5.0. I wound up ordering a 2021 GT/CS with 5.0 Happy I did. Nothing like the sound and feel of the 5.0 V8.
Always get the V8 and you will never be disappointed….. down the road… supercharge it for 700 ponies and STILL reliable…. Keep adding boost and mods to a 4 banger…. Reliably drops. Ask me how i know😂😂😂😅🙄🙄
sorry almost forgot to say 3 cheers for the driver , he was pretty damn good on a technical track and it shows real talent to talk while driving like that
Great review and comparison. I own a 2016 Mustang GT in the States that I bought used, and it already had an intoxicating Roush exhaust on it, which sold me. With the right wheels and suspension setup, it holds its own in the corners pretty well too!! Definitely hard to beat for the price.
There is no comparison between the V8 and the Ecoboost. But I drive a mildly tuned Ecoboost, it's reasonable and fun when I need it to be. It's been said, but the concept of it being more like an s13 descendant does it more justice than comparing to V8 cars. I would love a V8 car, but as a middle class car guy, the Ecoboost just makes a lot of sense on multiple levels.
I'd buy both if I could. I currently have a 2016 ecoboost mustang. I love that its peppy and not as expensive. Feels like a luxury gokart with heated seats lol
@@ermagerdmuffins gets unfairly hated on, because its not a v8. 300hp, RWD, offered in manual, better fuel economy, i dont get why its so bashed in the car communities online
@@eyecontrol4900 Because you can’t hear it before you see it. That holds no appeal for me. The guy who lives across from me has a V8, and it’s really annoying when he leaves or arrives. I also have a 2008 Mazdaspeed3. Again, pep without the noise.😁
It's amazing that the Ecoboost is only 1 to 1.5 seconds off cars far more powerful and expensive. Especially when you're talking about an RTR Mustang and RCF Track Edition. With a few boltons and some suspension mods. You could easily close that gap some if not erase it.
Its really just the tires. A good set of tires would make all the difference on a tight track like that. Any normal sized track though the extra power on the GT would really show the legs.
@@ryanpetree6475 That's what I was saying to myself the entire video. Tires... on the same tires... the 2.3 may beat the V8 in track time... But it's not a mustang unless it has a V8...
Lexus is a luxury barge with a chassis from 2007 (I have the GS460, where it came from, lots of suspension still swaps over xD), as much as it tries to be not a luxury sports barge, it's in a different bracket to a 2 door stang..
I had a '19 GT and don't think they sound good at all. I ended up trading in the '19 for a GT350R. The Coyote needs headers to make the flathead firing order sound better.
I have a 2011 GT 5.0. Wonderful car to drive. Acceleration strong at all speeds. I never drive in track conditions. V8 resale will be better. One second difference per lap really adds up.
Have a Kon Blue GT, just brilliant fun, looks amazing, not the best performer, but for the money you can’t find a car with a more amazing and characterful engine and with that much personality all around
Nice driving while giving good commentary. Great audio of cars during hot lap. I'm an old guy in USA and a long time Mustang fan. Kinda surprised I got such a great comparison review on them all the way from Australia. Happy to subscribe and check out more of your content.
I've owned multiple Mustangs. Everything including a 2020 EcoBoost HPP, a V6, and 5.0 so I know a little about all the engine options. Have you ever heard of the Lightning Lap at Virginia International Raceway where all the manufacturers do lap times to compare them to other cars? Well the 2020 EcoBoost HPP has a faster lap time than the Mustang GT 5.0.
yes, both were around 5 sec over the 3 min mark but the GT didn't get a fair shake (it was the first build 2015, the 2018 GT would be much closer to the supra time of the 3 min mark)
Sorry but....team V8 - got one. If I want to drive a 4-cylinder Turbo I would buy a hot hatch!!! And why the V8?.....simply press the engine start button !!!
Haters going to hate, but its tough to match the bang for the buck performance of a Mustang GT with the PP2 option. Faster around the track than many and faster in a straight line than most...and a limitless aftermarket for guys that just love to blow money on their car. lol
Great driving! All around the chassis on this gen Mustang is very impressive. The V8 is just amazing but I live in Southern California where our self-serving politicians and our President have really hiked up the price of gas. The irony is that we have some really fantastic driving roads over here. Because of that, for me and my money it would be the 2.3 High Performance Package with the Handling Package with a 6-speed manual. I think the 6-speed manual really suits the character of this engine and the money I save in gas means I can drive more. Also, I don't know if there is a difference between the exhaust between the 2.3 High Performance here in the States and in Australia, but the 2.3 HP over here actually sounds pretty good, and it does have crackles and pops. I am impressed so much with this car I am trying to add it to the collection. Thanks, and keep up the great work.
When I was on the Mustang forums you'd hear all the time of EB guys trading off quickly for GTs.... Never heard of guys with GTs trading in for EBs....
I had an 11 5.0 and loved it, kept it almost 10 years, no issues except recalls. Just got the 2.3L HPP with handling package, in large part due to this video and a few others.
This is about to be me soon. Although, after owning the EB for 8 years. Genuinly don't have too much bad to say about it other than the GT is more of everything. I will miss the theatrics of a turbocharged car though, and the MPG and maintenance costs of the smaller motor.
I'm surprised the weight difference isn't bigger... I would never limit myself like that. For another 12-15k you could put a big supercharger on the v8 and be running low 9's high 8's with some drag slicks... the turbo would need an engine rebuild for that
Yes, people have this misconception that modern V8s are heavy pig iron lumps like old.. My LS3 is lower CoG and very similar weight to the F20C it replaces, makes many times the torque, double the power, lasts longer with bores not going out of round.. costs less.. easier to work on, is more efficient LOL Oh yeah and +30kg for that benefit (almost all in trans), retains 50:50, there is no downside.
And that's just the initial price! The yearly costs of maintenance, insurance, and gas for the Gt are $thousands more a year. Not for me. I'd rather have a still very very fun turbo 4cylinder with beautiful mustang body style, and use that saved money for vacations, amazing dinners, and gifting to friends and family :)
Good balanced review. I think at the end of the day the GT is the most desirable option, especially on the track. As a daily driver though the 2.3 might be more justifiable (albeit still a compromise) especially as the GT is such a revy engine whereby you can break the speed limit in 2nd gear (where the fun is). One would be tempted to shorten the diff in this case to enjoy more high revs at road speed. The useable low end torque on the 2.3 will be utilised on road. It's just such a pity they haven't nailed the noise of the 4 pot, maybe there's some good aftermarket exhausts around or opportunity to refine next ford upgrade as the did with the V8 in last update. Ideally the old 5 cylinder RS motor would have been awesome as the 5 cylinder sound is so unique and would of absolutely set it apart from everything else. I suppose that motor was retired in the focus for good reason ( prob emissions). Anyway great review would be awesome to have a "daily driver" comparison review to see if the gap between lessens, Cheers.
@@SamSabin I was just about to comment this lol. I have the MBRP Race and it makes a world of difference. Adds a deep rumble to it and gets better with time.
@@GodFirst090 100% I wished this came on the car from factory the race version quickly let's you know when you are an eco and when you are in boost no need to look at the gauges 🤣🤣🤣
My 1st car was a 1964.5 Mustang that my Grandma bought new in 64.5. What a lucky kid I was. Miss that car. My dad sold it to a friend of my uncle who restores Mustangs! At least I know it went to a good home.
It's sad and/or just that the mentality of cars like the Mustang needing V8's will lead to these cars not being the fastest and eventually not existing at all.
The gratuitous drifting is a requirement for RUclips videos, no matter how annoying some of us find them. No surprise he wasn't "steering with the throttle" when it was time to go fast.
I bought a new Mustang 2.3 18:20 Ecoboost 10-speed auto convertible in 2019, after renting one for a two week touring holiday with my wife in New England. Every morning we would open up the roof, put on our Ray-Bans, get Steely Dan on the stereo and aim for the next town along the coast. Taking in the scenery with my elbow on the door and the aircon chilling the seat was such a cool way to travel, and with a 55mph speed limit there was no point in rushing, not that I wanted to. When I came home, I made straight for my local Ford Dealer, and I’ve never regretted it. So do these track comparisons mean anything to me? Do I need to shave a second off my quarter-mile? Would there have been any point in paying extra for Magnaride? Sorry, no. If you want the convertible, and like me you will be driving in the real world, the Ecoboost is all the car you need. IMHO, of course!
I have a 2016 A6 Ecoboost and my best friend has a 2019 A10 GT. He bought his first, and it was me riding shotgun that made me miss my 95 Trans Am. I found my car, and picked it up with my last car being a 2010 Speed3. For me, the EB is like all of what I liked about my old Trans Am and Speed3 molded into one.
The thing about the ecoboost is, not 1 will stay unfettered with. You buy a COBB and JUST with the stage 1 with no other mods and the car is transformed. You do intercooler with just a K&N panel filter with an E30tune which is cheap as chips and the thing is near on 380hp and still much lighter. it really does put the engine part back above the Focus RS position and give the car that bit of character. WHich imo is not as much a charmer as the GT on the streets but something that you will enjoy more on track and on a windy mountain road. mid gear pull on a decent E30 tune will pin you back hard. very hard.
That car is a base one. It does not have the handling package with magna ride. You can tell by the rims. The handling package has the performance pack 2 front rims.
Had the gt, would pick it over Hp eco boost every time. But I do see the benefits and I sell the appeal. It’s just not for me. I currently have a Wb scat. Will always be a v8 man
I drove a couple of Challengers one was older. It felt ok to me, it just felt heavy. I'm more of a Ford guy these days and I just felt more at home in a Mustang. I ended up getting a 2009 GT over a 2013, mainly because the 2013 was an auto. I enjoyed the 2009 music alot better as well. The 4.6 just sounds better to me than the Coyote. I ended up not really getting to enjoy it much and we "needed" a truck so it got traded in for a 2010 f150 Supercab. I know I'm sticking to older cars/trucks but my vehicle budget is half what my wife's is. She has a 2018 Grand Cherokee with the V6 and it is every bit as fast as that 2009 GT.
The HPP is no slouch, half the cylinders and a hair over 2 seconds slower than it's big brother is splitting hairs, yes there's the sound, but I'll take the lower insurance and cost of ownership for nearly the same experience...I had a Shelby GT350 owner stop me at a light to tell me how nice my car was, shocked me for sure...lol
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of compliments on my HPP (handling pack, black on black, possibly illegal tint lol). Nobody in real life actually cares that it's a 2.3 and not a 5.0... May be just because how good the car looks (especially having quad tip exhaust and the rear diffuser), the HPP rear looks great compared to a standard Ecoboost.
NA ALL DAY. Traction improvement is due to laggy crappy turbo power curves, its easier to traction control an NA V8 also power pulses are 2x more per revolution = more spread out = less tyre stress/peak load.
Far out these Turbo Charged Mustangs are quick as hell when compared to the V8. Looking at the V8 numbers you would think the performance would be heaps better. But when we see Mercedes making a 4 Cylinder with 425 HP makes you think technology has advanced a lot.
These comparisons/arguments always seem strange to me. If the larger capacity engine powered car, happens to be a V8, also had forced induction there would be no contest.
one word: price , you see....obviously the V8 is the better model, but it costs more, these "comparisons/arguments" exist because people want to buy a Mustang and want to know if the cheaper option is good enough.
Honestly I'd love to see them build one with the 3.5TT but they probably don't want to cannibalize GT Sales. Still, for those of us who remember them, SVO!
Both cars gave a good showing. V8 obviously sounds better. Also noticed that the Michelin tires were much quieter than the Pirelli's, which screamed in torture the entire circuit. Had the GT had the magnetic dampers, it might have even beat that Supra.
I know what's wrong with your mustangs the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car. Lol. Got a 2020 gt love it and not bad on fuel mileage either when you drive it normal
I'm full team turbo, but pushing more boost. Scott does a great job driving. Good vid. Since you were running for several laps before your big lap, the intercooler would have been smoking hot and you'd be making nothing for power.
Give me the 2.3. I enjoy engineering. And it's not as embarrassing to say I have a 2.3 turbo as it is to say I got the V8 and the 2.3 is still on my ass.
I’ve owned both cars. A 2017 6MT Ecoboost and a 2021 6MT GT. The Ecoboost is good but the GT is more then twice the car and the torque is intoxicating.
After having two ecoboost and test driving the v8 yea don't play yourself get the v8 i really see what people mean now tho the ecoboost is a wonderful car and makes for a great first sports car
Normal people:"oh cool a 2.3 liter high performance Ecoboost vs a coyote V8!" Me, an idiot: "how on earth is 2.3 horsepower going to compete with a V8?"
Getting excited for my 5.0 GT, its due to turn up (UK) mid April and ordered last August. I have MagneRide and the best bit, it's a manual. I have been told its one of the last Mustang manuals to come into the EU/UK due to a change in noise legislation Ford have dropped the option. I've had the RS and ST with the 2.3 Turbo and its a lovely engine. However I wanted a naturally aspirated V8 with manual before they these lovely engines get legislated out of the EU/UK and looks like I left it to the last minute to order. I'm going to be finding any reason to go on a long drive over the summer.
I imagine the 5.0s arnt too common in the uk or even the mustang in general. Should hold its value well as v8s become less common, might even go up in price. Congrats and enjoy the car.
Mustangs are born to be powerful. Can’t compare the barking 2.4 vs the roaring V8. Its like the Rock on extreme diet losing his muscles and then put him on a costume simulating his muscles. Engineers, you can’t made better what’s already the best. It is what it is. American cars are made to be powerful and thunderous, so…..don’t steal their soul. If you want to be creative, get a Ecosport and do something crazy. Mustangs, Camaro’s , Corvettes, Cadillacs and many others should remain V8. Other than that…..nice counterfeit cars.
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I own a 2.3 hpp manual and I can assure that this car leaves no frustration...I can match 5.0's all day on drags, sometimes I win (if they are manuals as me), most of the times I lose, but it's always close and not embarrassing at all, quite the opposite BTW, ppl get impressed how powerful this mustang can be...you won't get the heavenly sound of the v8, that's true. But if u can live with that, the HPP is a perfect daily drive in my opinion. On top of that, I can endure a whole week before hitting the gas station, and I like to push it on straight lines and dragging on the lights (when it's safe, lol)...anyways, it's not a fight, it's more like choosing whats the best fit for you buck and need! They're both amazing cars and deserve respect for what the brand mustang represents. Peace yall!!
Hey how is the shifter feel? I’m also thinking of a m/t but I seem a review and the guy said the shifter sucked 😫
Also they say it’s slow and not that fast
@@SWEETVENOM100 can't say it's the best in the world...but it's far from bad. If you like dragging and quick starts you probably will want to work on a better one, but if it's a daily drive and you just want to put some miles on it every once in awhile, than the hpp m/t is ready for you.
@@SWEETVENOM100 about the speed, don't know you are talking about the transmission response or the car...but I can tell you none of them is slow... just a friendly reminder we are talking about a 315-340 HP's machine...don't expect a Shelby GT performance, but you definitely won't miss the power when you hit the highway.
@@cezarbolado I meant I’ve seen online folks say that this car is slow.
About the shifter, how does it feel? Is it nice and crips? Fun to row thru the gears?
@@cezarbolado what cars can it pull on? I want something a lot quicker than what I have, which is a ‘22 Si
I used to own a FBO+hybrid turbo FiST and just miss having the power to pull
Well, I did 6000 km in Mustang Ecoboost 2023 and I must say it's a hell of a car. Fast, it gets attention, it looks, it's great to drive and fuel consumtion is around 26-27 mpg (9-10 l/100 km). Is it slower than GT? Yes! Is it having a half of cilnders of GT? Yes! But... it's still Mustang that gives you chills everytime you enter the car and turn the engine on. ;) Love it for every highs ans lows!
Now this guy is the type of drivers that we all need to be following on RUclips. None of these Matt Farrah, TJ Hunt, or Stradman guys. Why? Because this guy can actually DRIVE REALLY WELL!
This dude can drive for sure
Amen... Intelligent useful commentary backed up with driving skill. I cant stand all the youtubers that dont bring anything of actual value to the video. We jist nees Top Gear to let Chris Harris go back to his old show.
This has to be the stupidest comment I've seen on here
TJ hunt cant drive????? 😂😂
Yes, yes I will subscribe.... that is what I will do...
Just ordered a California Special. Not interested in taking it on the track. Ordered the Mageride though. I feel if I bought the 4 cylinder I would always regret not getting the V8.
Yup, you would have. Enjoy your new Pony!
Congrats! What color? I have a 21 GT/CS Fastback in Velocity Blue with MT82 and love it. Mine is not going to the track either. I've been a V8 guy since the 70's and jsut couldn't get past the sound of the 4 banger exhaust! Nothing against the ecoboost...I have it in my 2020 explorer and it has great pickup for a explorer. Just can't do it in a Mustang when V8s are still available....
@@fordguy3032 I ordered Mischievous Purple and Magneride. I'm in Australia BTW.
I believe you would. If I ever got one the v8 is the only way.
@@uncle_salty_3675 the engine and power is exactly the same as the GT. It has 10 less HP this year, regardless what model you order. 10 HP is negligible, it's not gonna bother me!
I have a GT and enjoy the manual gearbox going 30 mph. I just like shifting through the gears and hearing the noise.
manual just sucks racing when ur in higher gears, thank god i switched to the auto. not as fun that’s for sure but the car has less chinese parts
@@s58xeno Yeah, I imagine the auto is a drag machine for sure. I don't race but just enjoy fun driving. Cheers!
@@wg8290 respect to you! hope Ford has another good final GT in the making for 2023!
I have the same...GT 5.0 manual. Pure fun.
Mine is due to arrive in April with a manual and MagneRide, apparently you cannot order a manual anymore in the EU/UK so I am lucky. I drove an auto version for 10 days a few years back and it's no way as fun and a bit irritating at times.
i just got my 2022 ecoboost high performance with handling package in a ten speed automatic. I absolutely love it. is all the car ill need for autocross, easier to push on a street without causing a scene, and i saved the extra 10k to get a similar trim on a v8.
I just got my 2021 Ecoboost in December. It has the exact colors as the GT in the video. It such a fun car! I love how the car handles.
more of the 4 cly sits behind the front centre ' axle ' line.. better handling
The 2.3 liter HP engine is impressive but the V8 is too good to pass up, it loves revving to red line and sounds great while doing it.
the 2.3 in the mustang is hardly a high performance compared to the 2.3 in the mk3 rs. mustang 300hp and 400nm of torque mk3 rs of the fpm 375 which most are is 378hp and 500nm of torque and in a car so capable as the rs platform its a night and day difference. that is also shown in the times of when the cars - mustang v8 and focus rs did the nurburgring mustang v8 8min7 seconds the mk3 did it a second and a half faster. in standard trim 345hp and 470nm of torque its great the sound of the v8 but its not that good and knowing the potential of how both cars can be modified the rs still comes out on to as a track focused car.
@@laurahunt5146 The Ford Focus RS is notoriously unreliable and likes to blow head gaskets. It's 2.3L engine is overstressed.
@@laurahunt5146 The RS is a cool and capable car on paper. The motor and brakes just can't take the pounding dished out on a real track.
@@fugginrambo the motor is completely fine on track the only issues ever seen is lspi which on track is irrelevant and the incorrect head gasket issue also irrelevant .
The Coyote engine weighs less than 50 lbs more (closer to 30) than the 2.3 turbo and makes a lot more power (460 hp/420 lb ft) from the factory. It also has a lot more performance potential than the 4 cyl. Really no compelling reason to go with the 2.3L.
Ford doesn't make the Focus anymore and that's not a bad thing. Mustang v8 time on the ring is faster than the Focus RS too (7:58 compared to 8:06). The v8 will also still be working long after the 2.3 is worn out.
That V8 is sweet, I would take that over a supra any day for the same level of track performance, and I say this as a lexus owner! Nice review!
The Mustang is close, but isn't quite as good as a Supra around a track. Minus points for the terrible interior but the sound is undeniably better.
@TJ Pass a Supra is a z4 with a Toyota badge bro
@TJ Pass It definitely doesn’t lol
@@davidnguyen9409 Throttle House did a hot lap faster by one second with a Mustang GT PP2 vs a BMW M2 competition...just saying.
@@StefBelgium Carexpert drove both the Mustang and Supra (250kw version) around Queensland Raceway, with the Supra coming out on top. I'd rather follow the results of a proper racing driver than some... RUclips amateur driver.
The Answer should be... a V6 Ecoboost 3.5L Turbo. Period
No, V8 Turbo.
Right lol. My Taurus SHO has the Twin turbo 3.5 V6 and it is a beast of a sedan. If that engine was in a mustang I bet it would outperform the GT model
I have an HPP right now, but if the motor blows (after warranty of course), I want to swap a Raptor 3.5HO into it.
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@@pimpovic2if you go that route give it a supercharger or at least twin turbo it…
The 2.3l high performance eco looks very fun to drive
It is, I bought one a couple of weeks ago and so far I love it. I traded a 2021 California Special because I needed better mileage driving to and from work, a 70 mile daily commute.
@@MRAMX390 I feel that. I hate how much money I spend on gas. These cars are gas hogs
@@5point0h67We pay the price for looking good and fun driving but would we rather be in an econbox turd ? Nope !
I was o n the fence between the 2.3HP and the 5.0. I wound up ordering a 2021 GT/CS with 5.0 Happy I did. Nothing like the sound and feel of the 5.0 V8.
BTW...mine has the hated MT82 six speed and I love it! :)
I got the GT/CS as well in race red and I’m loving it. Mine is the 10 speed auto.
@@fidelis3123 I was trying to find an inconspicuous color! :) Wanted the rapid red but felt it would attract too much unwanted attention :)
Always get the V8 and you will never be disappointed….. down the road… supercharge it for 700 ponies and STILL reliable…. Keep adding boost and mods to a 4 banger…. Reliably drops. Ask me how i know😂😂😂😅🙄🙄
@@fordguy3032 T56 mag XL swap it when it dies, don't pay to rebuild the POS, cost is very similar.
sorry almost forgot to say 3 cheers for the driver , he was pretty damn good on a technical track and it shows real talent to talk while driving like that
It's the v8 that makes a mustang a mustang the echo boost is a focus RS in a mustang shell
Focus RS' are cool cars. That's not really a knock on the car lol
Great review and comparison. I own a 2016 Mustang GT in the States that I bought used, and it already had an intoxicating Roush exhaust on it, which sold me. With the right wheels and suspension setup, it holds its own in the corners pretty well too!! Definitely hard to beat for the price.
There is no comparison between the V8 and the Ecoboost. But I drive a mildly tuned Ecoboost, it's reasonable and fun when I need it to be. It's been said, but the concept of it being more like an s13 descendant does it more justice than comparing to V8 cars.
I would love a V8 car, but as a middle class car guy, the Ecoboost just makes a lot of sense on multiple levels.
I'm team save the manuals!
That's a pretty decent time from both of them. Would be interested to see how the Mach 1 goes round in comparison with all it's track focused upgrades
I Dont really like the way the Mach 1 sounds I feel a regular mustang GT 2018-22 with after market catback Sounds Much Better !!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
@@Texas_C8 as if you can’t put an exhaust on the Mach1 it is literally the same engine and exhaust as a GT.
faster than a m4 comp around Laguna according to car and driver
@@cmdrdredd 🤣🤣🤣
check out the comparison they did on the Carexpert channel.
I'd buy both if I could. I currently have a 2016 ecoboost mustang. I love that its peppy and not as expensive. Feels like a luxury gokart with heated seats lol
Exactly. I bought a 2016 Ecoboost last year. It’s the perfect mix of muscle and luxury for me.
@@ermagerdmuffins gets unfairly hated on, because its not a v8. 300hp, RWD, offered in manual, better fuel economy, i dont get why its so bashed in the car communities online
@@eyecontrol4900 Because you can’t hear it before you see it. That holds no appeal for me. The guy who lives across from me has a V8, and it’s really annoying when he leaves or arrives. I also have a 2008 Mazdaspeed3. Again, pep without the noise.😁
@Erica Lelle went from a 2014 v6 to a 2020 ecoboost just to hear turbo noises lol also there are GTs everywhere I look
@Erica Lelle went from a 2014 v6 to a 2020 ecoboost just to hear turbo noises lol also there are GTs everywhere I look
It's amazing that the Ecoboost is only 1 to 1.5 seconds off cars far more powerful and expensive. Especially when you're talking about an RTR Mustang and RCF Track Edition. With a few boltons and some suspension mods. You could easily close that gap some if not erase it.
Its really just the tires. A good set of tires would make all the difference on a tight track like that. Any normal sized track though the extra power on the GT would really show the legs.
@@ryanpetree6475 That's what I was saying to myself the entire video.
Tires... on the same tires... the 2.3 may beat the V8 in track time...
But it's not a mustang unless it has a V8...
Lexus is a luxury barge with a chassis from 2007 (I have the GS460, where it came from, lots of suspension still swaps over xD), as much as it tries to be not a luxury sports barge, it's in a different bracket to a 2 door stang..
@@the_algorithm The original mustang had a straight six...
The 2.3 EB is great but I'd want the V8 with a manual just for the sound!
I had a '19 GT and don't think they sound good at all. I ended up trading in the '19 for a GT350R. The Coyote needs headers to make the flathead firing order sound better.
@@wade998 you need an exhaust. The 5.0 with the active exhaust sounds amazing
Great video👌👌so good see a Aussie Car Journo actually having fun in car instead of yapping on about the interior and Apple car play etc for 30mins
I have a 2011 GT 5.0. Wonderful car to drive. Acceleration strong at all speeds. I never drive in track conditions. V8 resale will be better. One second difference per lap really adds up.
Have a Kon Blue GT, just brilliant fun, looks amazing, not the best performer, but for the money you can’t find a car with a more amazing and characterful engine and with that much personality all around
Nice driving while giving good commentary. Great audio of cars during hot lap. I'm an old guy in USA and a long time Mustang fan. Kinda surprised I got such a great comparison review on them all the way from Australia. Happy to subscribe and check out more of your content.
I've owned multiple Mustangs. Everything including a 2020 EcoBoost HPP, a V6, and 5.0 so I know a little about all the engine options. Have you ever heard of the Lightning Lap at Virginia International Raceway where all the manufacturers do lap times to compare them to other cars? Well the 2020 EcoBoost HPP has a faster lap time than the Mustang GT 5.0.
You buy the Eco only if you cant afford the V8
yes, both were around 5 sec over the 3 min mark but the GT didn't get a fair shake (it was the first build 2015, the 2018 GT would be much closer to the supra time of the 3 min mark)
Sorry but....team V8 - got one. If I want to drive a 4-cylinder Turbo I would buy a hot hatch!!! And why the V8?.....simply press the engine start button !!!
i have a GT and sometimes i still wish i would've got a HPP. they're super cool.
You can really tell how much more he was smiling when driving the V8 compared to the eco boost.
Haters going to hate, but its tough to match the bang for the buck performance of a Mustang GT with the PP2 option. Faster around the track than many and faster in a straight line than most...and a limitless aftermarket for guys that just love to blow money on their car. lol
Great driving! All around the chassis on this gen Mustang is very impressive. The V8 is just amazing but I live in Southern California where our self-serving politicians and our President have really hiked up the price of gas. The irony is that we have some really fantastic driving roads over here. Because of that, for me and my money it would be the 2.3 High Performance Package with the Handling Package with a 6-speed manual. I think the 6-speed manual really suits the character of this engine and the money I save in gas means I can drive more. Also, I don't know if there is a difference between the exhaust between the 2.3 High Performance here in the States and in Australia, but the 2.3 HP over here actually sounds pretty good, and it does have crackles and pops. I am impressed so much with this car I am trying to add it to the collection. Thanks, and keep up the great work.
When I was on the Mustang forums you'd hear all the time of EB guys trading off quickly for GTs.... Never heard of guys with GTs trading in for EBs....
I had an 11 5.0 and loved it, kept it almost 10 years, no issues except recalls. Just got the 2.3L HPP with handling package, in large part due to this video and a few others.
This is about to be me soon. Although, after owning the EB for 8 years. Genuinly don't have too much bad to say about it other than the GT is more of everything. I will miss the theatrics of a turbocharged car though, and the MPG and maintenance costs of the smaller motor.
I just love the V8 Mustang GT of course because I have one thank you for your great show
I’m shocked that the Mustang GT beat the Audi RS5. The RS5 is a beast!
Wow I didnt know that fact !!! Amazing ;) Love my 2018 mustang GT More !!!
yeah me to , that RS5 is triple the mustang price in NZ
What a driver!👏 he was literally talking throughout the vid and driving at the same time nice!
Vanilla Ice wasn’t rollin’ in a 4 cylinder, nor would I.
"it doesn't really have the power to overcome itse.... OH There we go" @7:30 had me🤣
I'm surprised the weight difference isn't bigger... I would never limit myself like that. For another 12-15k you could put a big supercharger on the v8 and be running low 9's high 8's with some drag slicks... the turbo would need an engine rebuild for that
Yes, people have this misconception that modern V8s are heavy pig iron lumps like old.. My LS3 is lower CoG and very similar weight to the F20C it replaces, makes many times the torque, double the power, lasts longer with bores not going out of round.. costs less.. easier to work on, is more efficient LOL
Oh yeah and +30kg for that benefit (almost all in trans), retains 50:50, there is no downside.
And that's just the initial price! The yearly costs of maintenance, insurance, and gas for the Gt are $thousands more a year. Not for me. I'd rather have a still very very fun turbo 4cylinder with beautiful mustang body style, and use that saved money for vacations, amazing dinners, and gifting to friends and family :)
Love those taillights! Wish they came like that in the U.S.!
They do its on a limited package they came out with and it cost more then just getting aftermarket ones
@@hotballer02 I saw a pair that look stock. But when turning on the blinkers, the lights change to amber. It’s so unique.
Some countries have different rules for taillight colors.
Turbo 4 with an auto on the track? Gross.
2020 gt convertible. Black on black. Gets a ton of attention wherever I go. Love this car.
Good balanced review. I think at the end of the day the GT is the most desirable option, especially on the track. As a daily driver though the 2.3 might be more justifiable (albeit still a compromise) especially as the GT is such a revy engine whereby you can break the speed limit in 2nd gear (where the fun is). One would be tempted to shorten the diff in this case to enjoy more high revs at road speed. The useable low end torque on the 2.3 will be utilised on road. It's just such a pity they haven't nailed the noise of the 4 pot, maybe there's some good aftermarket exhausts around or opportunity to refine next ford upgrade as the did with the V8 in last update. Ideally the old 5 cylinder RS motor would have been awesome as the 5 cylinder sound is so unique and would of absolutely set it apart from everything else. I suppose that motor was retired in the focus for good reason ( prob emissions). Anyway great review would be awesome to have a "daily driver" comparison review to see if the gap between lessens, Cheers.
mbrp race catback or tomei titanium totally fixes the soundtrack of the ecoboost i have tried both and stuck to the mbrp simply for the cost
@@SamSabin I was just about to comment this lol. I have the MBRP Race and it makes a world of difference. Adds a deep rumble to it and gets better with time.
@@GodFirst090 100% I wished this came on the car from factory the race version quickly let's you know when you are an eco and when you are in boost no need to look at the gauges 🤣🤣🤣
i just recently bought a 2022 ecoboost manual and this is the most fun ive ever had in a car.
My 1st car was a 1964.5 Mustang that my Grandma bought new in 64.5. What a lucky kid I was. Miss that car. My dad sold it to a friend of my uncle who restores Mustangs! At least I know it went to a good home.
Mustang Turbo PP2 shows the prowess of a modern performance fire, Camaro Turbo 1LE shows the performance of the chassis.
I want both of those cars.... and a Shelby.
Dude this guy can DRIVE!!!
It's sad and/or just that the mentality of cars like the Mustang needing V8's will lead to these cars not being the fastest and eventually not existing at all.
If it’s a toy buy the V8, if it’s your daily driver buy the 4 cylinder, the V8 is very thirsty and the insurance is more expensive.
If your paying the insurance best to have the V8. Love the sound.✌️
The V8 will always provide more smiles per miles.
Keep this guy away from my tires.... someone who knows how to drive is able to go fast while saving their equipment
The gratuitous drifting is a requirement for RUclips videos, no matter how annoying some of us find them. No surprise he wasn't "steering with the throttle" when it was time to go fast.
@@carlhansen9512 I completely agree with you.
I bought a new Mustang 2.3 18:20 Ecoboost 10-speed auto convertible in 2019, after renting one for a two week touring holiday with my wife in New England.
Every morning we would open up the roof, put on our Ray-Bans, get Steely Dan on the stereo and aim for the next town along the coast. Taking in the scenery with my elbow on the door and the aircon chilling the seat was such a cool way to travel, and with a 55mph speed limit there was no point in rushing, not that I wanted to. When I came home, I made straight for my local Ford Dealer, and I’ve never regretted it.
So do these track comparisons mean anything to me? Do I need to shave a second off my quarter-mile? Would there have been any point in paying extra for Magnaride? Sorry, no. If you want the convertible, and like me you will be driving in the real world, the Ecoboost is all the car you need. IMHO, of course!
congrats on 20k guys
I have a 2016 A6 Ecoboost and my best friend has a 2019 A10 GT. He bought his first, and it was me riding shotgun that made me miss my 95 Trans Am. I found my car, and picked it up with my last car being a 2010 Speed3. For me, the EB is like all of what I liked about my old Trans Am and Speed3 molded into one.
Ford to do something, sales were way down, enthusiasts and consumers were rejecting the 4 cyl.
This dude casually doing a rundown while rippin' on the track... turning with 1 hand and shit.
5.0 all day.
Yeah I'm team turbo V8. Hellion Turbo to be precise.
Hellions trash you either procharged it or whipple it
A set of summer tires drastically improves the grip and handling of these cars.
I like the off center front badge and smaller rear badge on the Ecoboost...has nothing to do with owning a 2018 pp1.
The thing about the ecoboost is, not 1 will stay unfettered with. You buy a COBB and JUST with the stage 1 with no other mods and the car is transformed. You do intercooler with just a K&N panel filter with an E30tune which is cheap as chips and the thing is near on 380hp and still much lighter. it really does put the engine part back above the Focus RS position and give the car that bit of character. WHich imo is not as much a charmer as the GT on the streets but something that you will enjoy more on track and on a windy mountain road. mid gear pull on a decent E30 tune will pin you back hard. very hard.
The tires alone are worth seconds in lap time. Pirelli’s are trash the PS4 are twice the tire and you can hear the difference alone.
That car is a base one. It does not have the handling package with magna ride. You can tell by the rims. The handling package has the performance pack 2 front rims.
Had the gt, would pick it over Hp eco boost every time. But I do see the benefits and I sell the appeal. It’s just not for me. I currently have a Wb scat. Will always be a v8 man
I drove a couple of Challengers one was older. It felt ok to me, it just felt heavy. I'm more of a Ford guy these days and I just felt more at home in a Mustang. I ended up getting a 2009 GT over a 2013, mainly because the 2013 was an auto. I enjoyed the 2009 music alot better as well. The 4.6 just sounds better to me than the Coyote. I ended up not really getting to enjoy it much and we "needed" a truck so it got traded in for a 2010 f150 Supercab. I know I'm sticking to older cars/trucks but my vehicle budget is half what my wife's is. She has a 2018 Grand Cherokee with the V6 and it is every bit as fast as that 2009 GT.
Man the tyre squeel from the Pirellis is enough to make the decision of which car to take!
Amazing video bro, great camera work, you said no non sense. I swear your appearance is deceiving. SUBSCRIBED.
Neither since they are both Automatics..
Great, honest reviews. Thank you!
So disappointed the cars had different tires. Probably the entire difference in lap times.
and 100 hp ... 😅
I'm considering a Mustang because I'm looking for a V8..
V8 sound is cool 🐎🐎🐎❤️❤️❤️❤️
Would of performed better if the steering wheel was on the other side 😂
The HPP is no slouch, half the cylinders and a hair over 2 seconds slower than it's big brother is splitting hairs, yes there's the sound, but I'll take the lower insurance and cost of ownership for nearly the same experience...I had a Shelby GT350 owner stop me at a light to tell me how nice my car was, shocked me for sure...lol
Yeah, I've gotten a lot of compliments on my HPP (handling pack, black on black, possibly illegal tint lol). Nobody in real life actually cares that it's a 2.3 and not a 5.0... May be just because how good the car looks (especially having quad tip exhaust and the rear diffuser), the HPP rear looks great compared to a standard Ecoboost.
NA ALL DAY.
Traction improvement is due to laggy crappy turbo power curves, its easier to traction control an NA V8 also power pulses are 2x more per revolution = more spread out = less tyre stress/peak load.
Far out these Turbo Charged Mustangs are quick as hell when compared to the V8. Looking at the V8 numbers you would think the performance would be heaps better. But when we see Mercedes making a 4 Cylinder with 425 HP makes you think technology has advanced a lot.
Great review, enjoyed every minute of it.
That looks so funn. Not a blue fan but i’d consider this it looks so good.
The auto doesn't drop boost between shifts.
These comparisons/arguments always seem strange to me. If the larger capacity engine powered car, happens to be a V8, also had forced induction there would be no contest.
one word: price , you see....obviously the V8 is the better model, but it costs more, these "comparisons/arguments" exist because people want to buy a Mustang and want to know if the cheaper option is good enough.
The 5.0 is unthinkable here in Portugal(100k vs Eco 50k...taxes), but finally you can own a Mustang here, beginning to save for one...
Not sure how the Capri was like.
But imagine Ford makes a sport coupe like 86 and put the eco boost engine in it, that would be super fun.
Focus RS had it, true it's a hatchback, but it wouldn't make much of a difference compared to a coupe.
@@jonathanisenhour7923 yeah but the 86 is rwd
@@jonathanisenhour7923 we have enough hot hatches in the market. Need more compact rwd
2.3 😝 garbage. Bring back the 3.7 cyclone with a turbo.
Honestly I'd love to see them build one with the 3.5TT but they probably don't want to cannibalize GT Sales. Still, for those of us who remember them, SVO!
@@SOHCGT96 I bet that's why they killed off the Cyclone because it was probably cannibalizing GT sales. It was a bad ass little V6.
Looks like a really fun go cart track.
V-8 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Both cars gave a good showing. V8 obviously sounds better. Also noticed that the Michelin tires were much quieter than the Pirelli's, which screamed in torture the entire circuit. Had the GT had the magnetic dampers, it might have even beat that Supra.
I know what's wrong with your mustangs the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car. Lol. Got a 2020 gt love it and not bad on fuel mileage either when you drive it normal
Nitto 555 grip good on my 2019 Ford Mustang GT over the Michelins..less slip in second gear with 10 speed 10R80 automatic
V8 just for the sound alone
I'm full team turbo, but pushing more boost. Scott does a great job driving. Good vid.
Since you were running for several laps before your big lap, the intercooler would have been smoking hot and you'd be making nothing for power.
Give me the 2.3. I enjoy engineering. And it's not as embarrassing to say I have a 2.3 turbo as it is to say I got the V8 and the 2.3 is still on my ass.
I’ve owned both cars. A 2017 6MT Ecoboost and a 2021 6MT GT. The Ecoboost is good but the GT is more then twice the car and the torque is intoxicating.
Great show mate I must say and a BRILLIANT drive thank you
After having two ecoboost and test driving the v8 yea don't play yourself get the v8 i really see what people mean now tho the ecoboost is a wonderful car and makes for a great first sports car
Normal people:"oh cool a 2.3 liter high performance Ecoboost vs a coyote V8!"
Me, an idiot: "how on earth is 2.3 horsepower going to compete with a V8?"
Getting excited for my 5.0 GT, its due to turn up (UK) mid April and ordered last August. I have MagneRide and the best bit, it's a manual. I have been told its one of the last Mustang manuals to come into the EU/UK due to a change in noise legislation Ford have dropped the option. I've had the RS and ST with the 2.3 Turbo and its a lovely engine. However I wanted a naturally aspirated V8 with manual before they these lovely engines get legislated out of the EU/UK and looks like I left it to the last minute to order. I'm going to be finding any reason to go on a long drive over the summer.
I imagine the 5.0s arnt too common in the uk or even the mustang in general. Should hold its value well as v8s become less common, might even go up in price. Congrats and enjoy the car.
save up a few grand if you intend to keep it for long time, because the magnetic ride shocks for all cars are damn expensive.
Should have used a HPP/HP(HandlingPackage). Better suspension, brakes, tires.
And Ford should have given them a better intercooler to match.
Mustangs are born to be powerful. Can’t compare the barking 2.4 vs the roaring V8. Its like the Rock on extreme diet losing his muscles and then put him on a costume simulating his muscles. Engineers, you can’t made better what’s already the best. It is what it is. American cars are made to be powerful and thunderous, so…..don’t steal their soul. If you want to be creative, get a Ecosport and do something crazy. Mustangs, Camaro’s , Corvettes, Cadillacs and many others should remain V8. Other than that…..nice counterfeit cars.
Should have a cheaper 2.0 Ecoboost and the 2.7 twin-turbo V6 for the Mustang since Falcon Ecoboost and Falcon XR6 Turbo respectively.
It would be nice if you did a horse power and foot pound torque conversation I didn't understand your power numbers .
lmao, not everyone uses the imperial system, bro
Around the corner the ecoboost has it all day but when they reach a straightaway that 2.3 is done for