Well Buddy you did your do diligence! Thanks for all your hard work. The bad design for the breech magazine works horribly and the barrel crown looked terrible. I would be at my Amazon return drop off tomorrow morning. LOL
@@gmanneod8085 Thanks! I wasn’t stoked about troubleshooting this airgun. Once I saw how the magazine interfaced with the breech I saw there was no hope for it. That’s a CO2 BB pistol design that has no place on a $150 air gun. Once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. What a shitty design! I already filled out the return form on my Amazon app and will be printing off the return label at work. Bye bye Synergis.
I don’t like working with anything plastic in the cold. I’m from Edmonton alberta and deal with plastic 8 months a year. Enjoy your channel. Thankyou. Kevin.
Sounds about right for an Umarex, in my experience they look and feel good but don't last any time. I've already been burned a couple times by them and it seems this rifle shows they're not changing any time soon Great video!
Thanks! I stayed away from the first gen due to poor reviews. I was under the impression this one was better… nope! It’s a piece of garbage that’s best to be avoided.
that was cool you brought out the daisy 880 . l just got me a brand new daisy 880 last week hand picked at wal-mart for 54.00 dollars. l am really impressed with the power at 10 pumps sound's like a .22 short rimfire and the quality was outstanding looks like they improved some ares on the gun mine is a 2024. but very happy with this daisy 880 my older one from 1974 is very nice also so now l have a new one and a older one. but the power on the new one has to be over 700 fps is has alot of power.
I’m thinking I should put a scope on mine and use it as a baseline reference for any new gun. If it can’t shoot better than an 880 at 20 yds then what benefit does it provide?
10 minutes into this video and the postman arrives with a parcel I bought from ebay, the start of my next project gun. It's the piston and slide for a BSA Goldstar airgun, a 10 shot, magazine fed underlever from the 90s, and it has what that Umarex should have, a probe on the slide which pushes a pellet from the magazine into the breech. In fact, the patent for this design must have expired by now, so I don't see why it hasn't been copied, the Theoben SLR88 and SLR98 also used the same design, all three rifles sadly discontinued long ago. Jealous of your snow btw.
Years and years ago the concept of a repeating break barrel popped into my head and I started researching if anything like that existed. I believe I ran across your model in my searches but it was no longer in production. Now repeaters are commonplace but with varying degrees of success. I’ve owned a few different brands and the only one I kept is my $105 remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet.
I had the .22 version of the Synergis Elite and I too had some pellets break upon firing. The skirt would sometimes expand and jam in the magazine while the dome of the pellet broke off and shot out at what sounded like supersonic speeds. In my case the skirt evenly expanded and stuck in the mags to where I couldn't push it out without tools and significant effort. The velocity dropped drastically after this happened a few times (and before I realized what was going on) likely due to the piston breaking, similar to as if I had dry fired the rifle multiple times. The rifle was sent back for warranty and luckily Umarex was willing to let me pay the difference and get a Notos in return instead of another Synergis.
It was so weird and I’m glad it got caught on video. I’m also happy to hear I’m not the only one to have this happen to them. I filled out the return form to Amazon last night and will be sending it back for a refund on Monday. I’ve had other instances where the gun dry fired and now that I’m more familiar with it, I think it was due to the magazine failing to advance and firing on an empty cylinder. I’ve never owned a Umarex rifle before, the CO2 guns I own from them have been great. I can’t recommend this piece of trash though. I’ll be glad to be rid of it.
I agree with you completely with the crown issue and I do NOT like the way that mag essentially is part of the breach. I will stick to a single shot underlever. Thanks for posting this. Send it back!
@@dannyarmata8878 it looks like it is on or against the bell but there is a small amount of clearance. I looked at it when I mounted the scope. Also, it shot like shit with the factory Umarex scope as well. No difference.
As frustrating as this Umarex synergist Elite has been and how I wanted to send it back I think I may have found a pellet that it actually likes I've tried every 177 pellet I have from 7 to 16 grains but I bought these pellets for a different gun and I tried them in here and they're the JSP exact monster Diablo redesigned 13.43 grain they do seat very tight in the magazine so you have to well.... seat them..... I have got almost hole in hole accuracy at 20 yards and the bonus to seating the pellet is that they don't fall out.
My guess is the quality control on these guns is all over the place. Still, I have zero confidence that this pattern of airgun will remain to function properly over time. The metal on metal wear of removing and replacing the magazine will create loose tolerances at the breech and lead to binding and air leakage.
Right!? 😂 “Who’s this gun for?” A gift suggestion to the wife of some jerk who you can stand. “Here’s a great gun, you should get it for him at Christmas” 😈
Not that it really matters. You should set up the target at 5 yards, put the rifle in a holder (to take you out of the equation), and see if the groups shrink. If it still can't tighten up the group, then it's a design flaw.
@@rquest3059 It’s unfortunate as the gun looked good on paper and the repeater under-lever concept was appealing. Today when I was examining the breech are I realized that once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. The pressure tube port is made from brass. The breech is steel and the magazine cylinder is steel. The action of sliding the mag in and out every 10 shots will cause wear and loose tolerances and the gun will basically be worn out. Seeing that future issue caused me to not even look into trying to fix the lack of a muzzle crown. I think that was likely a big contributor of its inaccuracy.
I'm convinced that manufacturing costs and quality have become so poor, I hesitate to invest in any modern air guns off the shelf.. Every Gamo, Umirex and others, and unless you spend like 500 bucks or more on something like an HW90, they're all trash anymore. I really love your channel. You have saved me time and money and most of all frustration, thanks!
Thanks! It’s good to hear the videos are helpful. This was the first set of videos that felt like a job to me. I didn’t like the feeling. I just need to avoid the temptation of buying anymore plastic fantastic Chinese airguns in this price range.
Last year I bought a Umarex Notos, when I tried to attach the stock after taking It out of the box I stripped one of the screws, I called Umarex Customer Service to see if I could get a few replacement screws and they were totally unhelpful and downright nasty! I eventually managed to find the right screws and attach the stock. Thankfully My Notos Is a great shooter but I'm a little skittish about buying anymore Umarex Products!
Dang that sucks! That’s honestly why if I have a leak in my air guns I don’t even contact the company it’s just better to fix it yourself plus they take like 2 months to fix a single oring
@@airgunsofalaska Apparently the Issue I had with attaching the stock screws Is a common Issue, I wasn't ready for the nasty response from Umarex and to top It off I offered to pay for the screws and shipping! I do like the Notos but like I said I'll probably shy away from Umarex products In the future!
thank you for your great and very honest review of this gun. Already have a multi-pump (880), a CO2 (Fusion 2), a break barrel (NitroVenom .22) and a PCP (AT-44-10 Long), and starting to look for a underlever to add to the collection. But for me, if it aint accurate ..... its not interesting. lol I will stay away from this Umarex. Sad, cause their Fusion 2 is brilliant with the H&N Barracuda Match 10 gr domed. * shrugs *
@@CoyoteAndRentalCoffee101 Thanks for checking out my channel and video! I think buyers are best served by avoiding this model. The breech/magazine interface will eventually lead to a worn out breech and a then useless gun.
I would take any of the Crosman break barrel rifle’s for the price and accuracy. Never heard much good about Umarex. I don’t have money or time to waste on inaccurate and unreliable guns. Thanks for the review good or bad. Riddick likes the Trevox pistol. Maybe a good choice for cheap break barrel plinker.
Hello, I own the Umarex Synergis Elite, and did you read your owner's manual. 1. put gun on SAFE and pulldown cocking lever to release mag and vice versa in a nutshell. By shoving the magazine in like a Gamo (I have a SWARM DX), you're screwing up the mag, gun mechanisms, and shaving your pellets. Another tip, insert your magazine with the gun pointed down because the mag doesn't have the 1/4 slide hold of the gamo mag. All scopes on these guns are trash, and make sighting difficult as well.
Another good and very fair review. In my experience anything that doesnt put the pellet d into the breech can and probably will not be accurate. And that depends on what you call accurate. 20yds is 2nd sighting in for me. Crowning the muzzlw doesnt seem like an aftermarket option to me. I try stick to barrels where you can get to the muzzle, even if you hav eto pull off the plastic no use muzzle cover . thanks agin. Send it home !! Keith
Agreed! Twenty yds isn’t very far out and 2” groups at that range is not acceptable for my expectations. The way the one piece shroud is constructed a guy can’t access the crown. I don’t know if that would have made a big difference but I don’t think it would have hurt anything. This is the first set of videos I did in an airgun that felt like a job. I don’t know how the sponsored YT channels can stand testing guns & products you’re not passionate about? Usually when I get a problem gun I’m interested in wanting to make it work better. Aside from the repeater concept of this underlever there was nothing else redeeming or special about it. Then it turns out the repeater system is garbage.
I bought the Umarex Ruger NXG APX 177 Caliber pump Air Rifle at Walmart the other day, and I'm hitting the same hole 🕳 or a dime, but it's a little weaker than the Daisy 880. And it's made even cheaper.
@@meathead2676 The 880 platform is a very good and inherently accurate design. I’m not a huge fan of my Chinese 880 as it looks and feels noticeably cheap compared to my 80’s and 90’s 880. But wow! I didn’t know they could make an even cheaper version.
@gboutdoors5198 I didn't use the scope that came with it. I never would use the scope that came with it.. I put a 4x32 scope..it's about all it really can handle. Anything else would be useless because it doesn't have enough power for good long distance. Good for 30 yards though.
@@meathead2676 Yea I like mine alot but I did not even have a big scope on it I used a trueglo 4x32 scope and I guess the weigh and pumping motion was to much on the dinky plastic scope rails
That muzzle break is weird. Probaly causing issue it’s like a couple inches of plastic rifling at end of barrel looking. Can see how it would cause issue.
What a bummer! I really like the looks of it but it looks like a hard pass for me. I have the gen 1 Synergis in .177 and it is very accurate. Weighs a ton though! Subbed! Happy Shooting 🔫
My last shoot I got 10 rounds inside of 1.5” at 20 yards right on target. Once I got the scope adjusted it’s been on target. Does the magazine need a drop of lube on it? Mine hung up on mine 3-4 times while retracting the cocking arm. I still haven’t figured out why yet. I have the .22 and I don’t have any indication of pellets coming apart. Will be running a bunch of pellet through it later this month. Will let you know if I run into any issues. My Hatsan 95 is more accurate though.
@@swift10falcon I don’t see any harm coming from adding a drop or two of oil. 1.5” is likely the best this gun will do at 20 yds without recrowning the barrel. It just isn’t very accurate in stock form, particularly for an under lever. I think you could get some improved accuracy by cleaning up the muzzle crown with a conical grinding stone on a cordless drill. The trick will be removing the plastic muzzle shroud without damaging it.
@ you can get in there with an oversized drill bit and take that edge of by hand. This is my first pellet gun in 50 years. I really didn’t know what to expect for accuracy. This will certainly take out the rats out back. They are all over the place here in TX. I have 3 air guns now. Maybe I am developing a problem . Ha. I see your problem with shipping it back to Arkansas. Probably cost more than the gun. You’re the guy likely to solve the problem on these. Send Umarex a bill when you do.
@ I ordered mine through Amazon so it was easy to return it for a full refund. I didn’t try recrowning the muzzle as my grinding stones wouldn’t reach. But I bet your drill bit idea would work. The crown on my gun looked terrible. I have to be really careful where I order guns from as return shipping from Alaska is cost prohibitive for me to send if back on my dime.
Daisy 880 can do better than that at 20 yards, as in MUCH better! So can the Daisy 822, which I also have and it's awesome with the power up parts installed. Have you done that upgrade to your 822? I should ship mine to you for a review and test, it will not fail to impress I guarantee it.
@@trevorjameson3213 yeah, I know it can. 👍 Like I said in the video, I just grabbed it, it wasn’t sighted in for that range and I used cheap pellets with open sights. The fact it easily out shot a scoped gun that costs well over twice as much was hilarious to me. Even with no sighting in it still put three pellets so close together they touched. I’ve not messed around with my 822 for a long time. I will, just have too many other projects ahead of it.
@@airgunsofalaska I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear when I said the 880 can do “better than that”, I meant it can do much better than that sorry umarex you were showing lol. It’s totally expected to get the group you shout with the open sights of course!
I believe the Chaser uses the same pattern breech and magazine as my Seneca Dragonfly Mk1. One viewer told me that higher quality metal magazines are available from Krale. I’ve only been using the single shot tray in mine and haven’t even tried the magazine.
You need grape fruit and lemons to demonstrate the groups, maybe a Frisbee. 😂 Lol About the crown, this worked for me in a fit of controlled rage in a couple of situations. Check to see if you have a long philips screw driver bit that fits into the muzzle. Chuck it in a drill and go to town and take the hard barrel edges down. Lol
Yeah 2” groups are not impressing anyone! 😂 I think anything someone did to the crown would be an improvement. But, because I’m returning it for a refund I didn’t want to potentially damage it.
@airgunsofalaska I was thinking that you were going to return it but I wasn't sure. Besides, they might get a better gun back than what they sold you. 😂
The UX brand is generally used for the cheapest Unmarex guns . Basically the ones which are mainly plastic, sorry ballistic polymer!, and the lower quality end of the range.
That’s good to know! I wasn’t familiar with Umarex rifles and bought it as I thought a repeating underlever would be really neat. Hopefully my reviews will save other guys the headache of buying one of these pieces of garbage.
I had one,sent it back. Umarex sent me another one. I smacked it around a hickory tree. Bought a hatsan flash pcp and a hand pump never looked back. I would never own another springer or gas piston air gun. Now i own several other pcp airguns. My favorite is my fx dreamline.
I’ve got a few PCP’s but for the way I shoot I don’t like how the hand pumping interrupts my flow. I’ve had quite a few bad experiences with both springers and gas ram guns in the under $275 price range. Generally they all have a few things in common: 1. Made in China 2. Shrouded in plastic 3. Repeaters I think this experience is the straw the broke the camel’s back and I’m done taking chances on these types of airguns.
@@airgunsofalaska I bought a 74cf tank from pyramyd air. .You usually can get them on sale at the end of the year. I also bought a yong heng pump to fill my tank. Total investment was prolly 700. I had a rws 34 it shot good but broke several scopes. Id like another springer but it will be a air arms.
@@MangustificationGaming That’d be pretty funny. 😆 Maybe my channel will grow so large in the future that I’d do something like that as losing out on $150 wouldn’t be a big deal. Right now I want that money back so I can put it towards something high quality and European.
Your shooting it off a bag, I did that at first and accuracy was crap, started freehanding artillery hold and got a quarter size group at 40 yards. It’s not the gun it’s the bag you’re resting it on.
That muzzle end looked rough as guts. Minimum effort put into making this thing. I'm a bit surprised at the breach/mad design. It could work with the best materials and engineering but that does seems to be lacking here.
My initial impression was the magazines were very robust and well made. But they are finicky, prone to issues and after discovering the sides were made from plastic my opinion of them lowered. Their inface with the beech and air port will be the source of problems as the mating surfaces wear. It’s a bad design.
I was wondering why I wasn’t seeing videos about this gun. I suspect everyone was so burned my the gen 1 Synergis they were unwilling to take a chance. Let some other chump buy one and review it. Arrgghh… 😡 I don’t like being that chump. I think Umarex made in China QC is so bad that it’s likely you’ll get a turd.
@@JohnLong-ch1mc Yeah, it looked good on paper and I liked the repeater concept. Once I saw how the magazine interfaced with the breech I saw there was no hope for it. That’s a CO2 BB pistol design that has no place on a $150 air gun. Once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. The magazines are not as robust as they first appeared and were already getting finicky after only 250 shots. I ended up spending way more time and effort on the gun than I wanted. It felt like work. I bought it with the idea it’d be accurate at 20 yds and with the repeater feature it’d make a great pest control gun. It’s not accurate enough for that kind of use.
Wow what a disappointment you definitely can shoot you have proven that many times and you certainly gave it a honest try with all the pellets you put though it, I have seen BB guns do as well, lol I just got to the point in the video that you got out the daisy pumper.
@@jimstewart5008 It definitely was a disappointment. I’d have figured out a way to clean up the crown but I saw no point to do so after examining how the magazine interfaced with the breech. That’s a good way to look at it. If a guy just wants an underlever repeater and is fine with BB gun accuracy, this gun will fill that role nicely. If a person only shoots cans and large objects at around 10 yds they’ll probably be content with it. Problem is, there are other repeater style pellet guns that can easily do that and more for a lot less money. I’m bummed I didn’t listen to my gut and cancel the 2nd order while it was sitting for days waiting to ship. I’d canceled it the 1st time I ordered the gun.
Woah sounds like Umarex is kinda pushy, they'd have been better off consulting you during development than pretending it's good now. Yeah blowing the pellet through the mag with no chambering sounds so off I'm not surprised it doesn't work.
I don’t know if davehimlin2374 is a Umarex employee or someone in the airgun industry who financially benefits from sales on this gun? But his comments are over the top enthusiastic about the gun. He sounds like a total shill. Ever since I called him out and he gave me a smart ass reply I’ve not heard from him again. 🤔 That’s pretty suspicious. This gun is a junk show and best to be avoided.
OK first thing first, there are NO breach seals ... you will never get any type of accuracy, second that looks alot like the Crossman Mag-Fire mag... and we all know how those work... (those of us that have had one...) minus the air probe... Enough said... Big C out...😎
@@nightwolf357. Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hang on a minute there buddy… I don’t think you understand the unfettered genius behind this design. If, and that’s a big IF, a guy were to get a leak with the metal on metal contact of the breech and air port surfaces, the fix is super easy. You simply pull the magazine, slide an entire brand new gun underneath and reinsert the magazine. Just throw the old gun away and you’re good to go! 👍🤣😂
@@airgunsofalaska LOL I think I just pissed myself laughing to hard... Guess you do not have to have an engineering degree in pneumatics to get hired on with you know who...😆😅🤣😂😜🤪😝 Big C out...😎
So basically typical umarex product, looks good but not dependable. Cheaply made, high dollar. Might be better off with the original. But very disappointing
@@tfranke6011 I’m not familiar with their original model Synergis but I read/saw many negative reviews about it. This revised model isn’t worth buying either. Too bad, I like older the Umarex CO2 pistols I have.
Nothing more than an expensive doorstop, I enjoy your vids bud
@@vernonjjf Thanks and totally agree!
Well Buddy you did your do diligence! Thanks for all your hard work. The bad design for the breech magazine works horribly and the barrel crown looked terrible. I would be at my Amazon return drop off tomorrow morning. LOL
@@gmanneod8085 Thanks! I wasn’t stoked about troubleshooting this airgun. Once I saw how the magazine interfaced with the breech I saw there was no hope for it. That’s a CO2 BB pistol design that has no place on a $150 air gun. Once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. What a shitty design!
I already filled out the return form on my Amazon app and will be printing off the return label at work. Bye bye Synergis.
I don’t like working with anything plastic in the cold. I’m from Edmonton alberta and deal with plastic 8 months a year. Enjoy your channel. Thankyou. Kevin.
Thanks! I think a good rule of thumb can be if it’s shrouded in plastic, that’s a red flag to stay away.
It would be U shaped already at my range.
@@johnnybbgunner2136 Ha ha!
Mine did get u shaped. around a hickory tree.😂
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I have the Umarex Emerge .177 I need to wrap around a pole or tree and post a video of me doing it.🤠🇺🇸☕️
@ That’d be fun to watch!
😂🤣😃😄😆
Sounds about right for an Umarex, in my experience they look and feel good but don't last any time. I've already been burned a couple times by them and it seems this rifle shows they're not changing any time soon
Great video!
Thanks!
I stayed away from the first gen due to poor reviews. I was under the impression this one was better… nope! It’s a piece of garbage that’s best to be avoided.
Thanks for sharing this, I was thinking of getting one but now I know there's better options at that price
Thanks! It was a total and complete disappointment. I’d recommend avoiding it.
that was cool you brought out the daisy 880 . l just got me a brand new daisy 880 last week hand picked at wal-mart for 54.00 dollars. l am really impressed with the power at 10 pumps sound's like a .22 short rimfire and the quality was outstanding looks like they improved some ares on the gun mine is a 2024. but very happy with this daisy 880 my older one from 1974 is very nice also so now l have a new one and a older one. but the power on the new one has to be over 700 fps is has alot of power.
I’m thinking I should put a scope on mine and use it as a baseline reference for any new gun. If it can’t shoot better than an 880 at 20 yds then what benefit does it provide?
@@airgunsofalaska l like your idea let the daisy 880 lead the way.
Yep...The Daisy 800 might be a cheaper model air rifle nowadays, but they still choot pretty straight 👌
10 minutes into this video and the postman arrives with a parcel I bought from ebay, the start of my next project gun. It's the piston and slide for a BSA Goldstar airgun, a 10 shot, magazine fed underlever from the 90s, and it has what that Umarex should have, a probe on the slide which pushes a pellet from the magazine into the breech.
In fact, the patent for this design must have expired by now, so I don't see why it hasn't been copied, the Theoben SLR88 and SLR98 also used the same design, all three rifles sadly discontinued long ago.
Jealous of your snow btw.
Years and years ago the concept of a repeating break barrel popped into my head and I started researching if anything like that existed. I believe I ran across your model in my searches but it was no longer in production.
Now repeaters are commonplace but with varying degrees of success. I’ve owned a few different brands and the only one I kept is my $105 remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet.
I had the .22 version of the Synergis Elite and I too had some pellets break upon firing. The skirt would sometimes expand and jam in the magazine while the dome of the pellet broke off and shot out at what sounded like supersonic speeds. In my case the skirt evenly expanded and stuck in the mags to where I couldn't push it out without tools and significant effort. The velocity dropped drastically after this happened a few times (and before I realized what was going on) likely due to the piston breaking, similar to as if I had dry fired the rifle multiple times. The rifle was sent back for warranty and luckily Umarex was willing to let me pay the difference and get a Notos in return instead of another Synergis.
It was so weird and I’m glad it got caught on video. I’m also happy to hear I’m not the only one to have this happen to them. I filled out the return form to Amazon last night and will be sending it back for a refund on Monday.
I’ve had other instances where the gun dry fired and now that I’m more familiar with it, I think it was due to the magazine failing to advance and firing on an empty cylinder.
I’ve never owned a Umarex rifle before, the CO2 guns I own from them have been great. I can’t recommend this piece of trash though. I’ll be glad to be rid of it.
I agree with you completely with the crown issue and I do NOT like the way that mag essentially is part of the breach. I will stick to a single shot underlever. Thanks for posting this. Send it back!
@@flashgordon99999 I already printed off my UPS return label. 😀
@airgunsofalaska 🤣👍
Scope ring in the front of hammers is lil too far up. The mount being on or against the AO bell will affect accuracy
@@dannyarmata8878 it looks like it is on or against the bell but there is a small amount of clearance. I looked at it when I mounted the scope.
Also, it shot like shit with the factory Umarex scope as well. No difference.
As frustrating as this Umarex synergist Elite has been and how I wanted to send it back I think I may have found a pellet that it actually likes I've tried every 177 pellet I have from 7 to 16 grains but I bought these pellets for a different gun and I tried them in here and they're the JSP exact monster Diablo redesigned 13.43 grain they do seat very tight in the magazine so you have to well.... seat them..... I have got almost hole in hole accuracy at 20 yards and the bonus to seating the pellet is that they don't fall out.
@@gumbystown That’s really cool you found something that works. How does it do at longer distances?
I have the elite in 22 and no problems yet. Found that 14.3 grain shoot very well through it
My guess is the quality control on these guns is all over the place. Still, I have zero confidence that this pattern of airgun will remain to function properly over time. The metal on metal wear of removing and replacing the magazine will create loose tolerances at the breech and lead to binding and air leakage.
That’s a gun you give to someone you really don’t like
Right!? 😂 “Who’s this gun for?” A gift suggestion to the wife of some jerk who you can stand. “Here’s a great gun, you should get it for him at Christmas” 😈
@@airgunsofalaska lol!
Not that it really matters. You should set up the target at 5 yards, put the rifle in a holder (to take you out of the equation), and see if the groups shrink. If it still can't tighten up the group, then it's a design flaw.
@@rquest3059 it’s not me bud. The gun is a piece of garbage.
@airgunsofalaska I was fairly sure it was junk just from watching you shoot it, in this video and the previous one.
@@rquest3059 It’s unfortunate as the gun looked good on paper and the repeater under-lever concept was appealing. Today when I was examining the breech are I realized that once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. The pressure tube port is made from brass. The breech is steel and the magazine cylinder is steel. The action of sliding the mag in and out every 10 shots will cause wear and loose tolerances and the gun will basically be worn out. Seeing that future issue caused me to not even look into trying to fix the lack of a muzzle crown. I think that was likely a big contributor of its inaccuracy.
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I'm convinced that manufacturing costs and quality have become so poor, I hesitate to invest in any modern air guns off the shelf.. Every Gamo, Umirex and others, and unless you spend like 500 bucks or more on something like an HW90, they're all trash anymore. I really love your channel. You have saved me time and money and most of all frustration, thanks!
Yes don’t mess with 150 dollar air guns lol
Thanks! It’s good to hear the videos are helpful. This was the first set of videos that felt like a job to me. I didn’t like the feeling. I just need to avoid the temptation of buying anymore plastic fantastic Chinese airguns in this price range.
I don’t understand the magazine craze on break barrels. Pellet guns are like a bow, it’s a single shot weapon in my view.
While I like the concept of a break barrel or under lever repeater, it’s execution is often flawed.
Last year I bought a Umarex Notos, when I tried to attach the stock after taking It out of the box I stripped one of the screws, I called Umarex Customer Service to see if I could get a few replacement screws and they were totally unhelpful and downright nasty! I eventually managed to find the right screws and attach the stock. Thankfully My Notos Is a great shooter but I'm a little skittish about buying anymore Umarex Products!
Dang that sucks! That’s honestly why if I have a leak in my air guns I don’t even contact the company it’s just better to fix it yourself plus they take like 2 months to fix a single oring
Dang, that’s too bad. I’ve read and seen many good things about the Notos. It’s unfortunate to hear their customer service was not helpful.
@@airgunsofalaska Apparently the Issue I had with attaching the stock screws Is a common Issue, I wasn't ready for the nasty response from Umarex and to top It off I offered to pay for the screws and shipping! I do like the Notos but like I said I'll probably shy away from Umarex products In the future!
thank you for your great and very honest review of this gun. Already have a multi-pump (880), a CO2 (Fusion 2), a break barrel (NitroVenom .22) and a PCP (AT-44-10 Long), and starting to look for a underlever to add to the collection. But for me, if it aint accurate ..... its not interesting. lol I will stay away from this Umarex. Sad, cause their Fusion 2 is brilliant with the H&N Barracuda Match 10 gr domed. * shrugs *
@@CoyoteAndRentalCoffee101 Thanks for checking out my channel and video! I think buyers are best served by avoiding this model. The breech/magazine interface will eventually lead to a worn out breech and a then useless gun.
I would take any of the Crosman break barrel rifle’s for the price and accuracy. Never heard much good about Umarex. I don’t have money or time to waste on inaccurate and unreliable guns. Thanks for the review good or bad.
Riddick likes the Trevox pistol. Maybe a good choice for cheap break barrel plinker.
@@franbrinda This gun was a giant disappointment and I sent it back with UPS today. Maybe Riddick’s .22 cal was better. I thought mine sucked.
Almost bought one, thank you for the info
Mind pointing me in the right direction for adding a good underlever to my collection?
Hello, I own the Umarex Synergis Elite, and did you read your owner's manual. 1. put gun on SAFE and pulldown cocking lever to release mag and vice versa in a nutshell. By shoving the magazine in like a Gamo (I have a SWARM DX), you're screwing up the mag, gun mechanisms, and shaving your pellets. Another tip, insert your magazine with the gun pointed down because the mag doesn't have the 1/4 slide hold of the gamo mag. All scopes on these guns are trash, and make sighting difficult as well.
@@tyvanderburg2027 Did you even watch this video before making a comment? If you did you’d realize how wrong you are on all accounts.
Another good and very fair review. In my experience anything that doesnt put the pellet d into the breech can and probably will not be accurate. And that depends on what you call accurate. 20yds is 2nd sighting in for me. Crowning the muzzlw doesnt seem like an aftermarket option to me. I try stick to barrels where you can get to the muzzle, even if you hav eto pull off the plastic no use muzzle cover . thanks agin. Send it home !! Keith
Agreed! Twenty yds isn’t very far out and 2” groups at that range is not acceptable for my expectations.
The way the one piece shroud is constructed a guy can’t access the crown. I don’t know if that would have made a big difference but I don’t think it would have hurt anything.
This is the first set of videos I did in an airgun that felt like a job. I don’t know how the sponsored YT channels can stand testing guns & products you’re not passionate about? Usually when I get a problem gun I’m interested in wanting to make it work better. Aside from the repeater concept of this underlever there was nothing else redeeming or special about it. Then it turns out the repeater system is garbage.
@@airgunsofalaska couldnt put it better myself. Keith.
I bought the Umarex Ruger NXG APX 177 Caliber pump Air Rifle at Walmart the other day, and I'm hitting the same hole 🕳 or a dime, but it's a little weaker than the Daisy 880. And it's made even cheaper.
@@meathead2676 The 880 platform is a very good and inherently accurate design. I’m not a huge fan of my Chinese 880 as it looks and feels noticeably cheap compared to my 80’s and 90’s 880. But wow! I didn’t know they could make an even cheaper version.
I’ve got one and it shoots pretty good all I can say is the scope rails fell or like dude all they where connected by where like some plastic pegs
@gboutdoors5198 I didn't use the scope that came with it. I never would use the scope that came with it.. I put a 4x32 scope..it's about all it really can handle. Anything else would be useless because it doesn't have enough power for good long distance. Good for 30 yards though.
@@meathead2676 Yea I like mine alot but I did not even have a big scope on it I used a trueglo 4x32 scope and I guess the weigh and pumping motion was to much on the dinky plastic scope rails
That muzzle break is weird. Probaly causing issue it’s like a couple inches of plastic rifling at end of barrel looking. Can see how it would cause issue.
@@franbrinda I keep meaning to show how nice the crown is on this gun. The muzzle shroud isn’t causing any interference with the pellets.
What a bummer! I really like the looks of it but it looks like a hard pass for me. I have the gen 1 Synergis in .177 and it is very accurate. Weighs a ton though! Subbed! Happy Shooting 🔫
@@bigjsoutdoorsairguns9007 Right on, thanks! 😄👍 It was disappointing as I was expecting more from it as well. It’s gone now, I sent it back last week.
My last shoot I got 10 rounds inside of 1.5” at 20 yards right on target. Once I got the scope adjusted it’s been on target. Does the magazine need a drop of lube on it? Mine hung up on mine 3-4 times while retracting the cocking arm. I still haven’t figured out why yet. I have the .22 and I don’t have any indication of pellets coming apart. Will be running a bunch of pellet through it later this month. Will let you know if I run into any issues. My Hatsan 95 is more accurate though.
@@swift10falcon I don’t see any harm coming from adding a drop or two of oil. 1.5” is likely the best this gun will do at 20 yds without recrowning the barrel. It just isn’t very accurate in stock form, particularly for an under lever. I think you could get some improved accuracy by cleaning up the muzzle crown with a conical grinding stone on a cordless drill. The trick will be removing the plastic muzzle shroud without damaging it.
@ you can get in there with an oversized drill bit and take that edge of by hand. This is my first pellet gun in 50 years. I really didn’t know what to expect for accuracy. This will certainly take out the rats out back. They are all over the place here in TX. I have 3 air guns now. Maybe I am developing a problem . Ha. I see your problem with shipping it back to Arkansas. Probably cost more than the gun. You’re the guy likely to solve the problem on these. Send Umarex a bill when you do.
@ I ordered mine through Amazon so it was easy to return it for a full refund. I didn’t try recrowning the muzzle as my grinding stones wouldn’t reach. But I bet your drill bit idea would work. The crown on my gun looked terrible.
I have to be really careful where I order guns from as return shipping from Alaska is cost prohibitive for me to send if back on my dime.
Nibs has a Crosman 101 multi pump and that gun is 100 or close to 100 years old and at 20 yards it shoots so much better than that piece of crap
Those Crosman 101’s are very nice guns!
This gun’s “accuracy” at 20 yds is unacceptable. Piece of crap is an excellent descriptor of it.
@@airgunsofalaska Yea they are I want one so badly! that guns accuracy is dookie!
Interesting, a Chinese lemon. And I was led to believe that umarix had upped thier game as of late!
Me too...I was hoping more from this rifle..
This one was definitely disappointing.
Daisy 880 can do better than that at 20 yards, as in MUCH better! So can the Daisy 822, which I also have and it's awesome with the power up parts installed. Have you done that upgrade to your 822? I should ship mine to you for a review and test, it will not fail to impress I guarantee it.
@@trevorjameson3213 yeah, I know it can. 👍 Like I said in the video, I just grabbed it, it wasn’t sighted in for that range and I used cheap pellets with open sights. The fact it easily out shot a scoped gun that costs well over twice as much was hilarious to me. Even with no sighting in it still put three pellets so close together they touched.
I’ve not messed around with my 822 for a long time. I will, just have too many other projects ahead of it.
@@airgunsofalaska I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear when I said the 880 can do “better than that”, I meant it can do much better than that sorry umarex you were showing lol. It’s totally expected to get the group you shout with the open sights of course!
Really 😮 how under my expectations. All my Diana Chaser magazines have lost index and only feeds a few shots.
I believe the Chaser uses the same pattern breech and magazine as my Seneca Dragonfly Mk1. One viewer told me that higher quality metal magazines are available from Krale. I’ve only been using the single shot tray in mine and haven’t even tried the magazine.
You need grape fruit and lemons to demonstrate the groups, maybe a Frisbee. 😂
Lol About the crown, this worked for me in a fit of controlled rage in a couple of situations. Check to see if you have a long philips screw driver bit that fits into the muzzle. Chuck it in a drill and go to town and take the hard barrel edges down. Lol
Yeah 2” groups are not impressing anyone! 😂
I think anything someone did to the crown would be an improvement. But, because I’m returning it for a refund I didn’t want to potentially damage it.
@airgunsofalaska I was thinking that you were going to return it but I wasn't sure. Besides, they might get a better gun back than what they sold you. 😂
The UX brand is generally used for the cheapest Unmarex guns . Basically the ones which are mainly plastic, sorry ballistic polymer!, and the lower quality end of the range.
That’s good to know! I wasn’t familiar with Umarex rifles and bought it as I thought a repeating underlever would be really neat.
Hopefully my reviews will save other guys the headache of buying one of these pieces of garbage.
I had one,sent it back. Umarex sent me another one. I smacked it around a hickory tree. Bought a hatsan flash pcp and a hand pump never looked back. I would never own another springer or gas piston air gun. Now i own several other pcp airguns. My favorite is my fx dreamline.
I’ve got a few PCP’s but for the way I shoot I don’t like how the hand pumping interrupts my flow.
I’ve had quite a few bad experiences with both springers and gas ram guns in the under $275 price range. Generally they all have a few things in common:
1. Made in China
2. Shrouded in plastic
3. Repeaters
I think this experience is the straw the broke the camel’s back and I’m done taking chances on these types of airguns.
@@airgunsofalaska My Hatsan 95 is a great rifle imo.
@@SlingAndStones I’ve also got a 95 in .25 cal.
@@airgunsofalaska I bought a 74cf tank from pyramyd air. .You usually can get them on sale at the end of the year. I also bought a yong heng pump to fill my tank. Total investment was prolly 700. I had a rws 34 it shot good but broke several scopes. Id like another springer but it will be a air arms.
@@airgunsofalaska how do you like it?
Bad design for sure. I would return this one.🤠
@@johnnybbgunner2136 Totally agree! I’m done wasting any more time on it.
If you can send it back🤷♂️
"Yeah it's a repeater.. whatever" 😂
Cheers!
@@Indiana424 I guess these videos on this Synergis worked out to be public services announcements on what not to buy. 😆
@airgunsofalaska Anytime you drop I watch that simple, goo the bad, and the ugly! Cheers!
If you can't return it, use it as a target in a future video. 😁
@@MangustificationGaming That’d be pretty funny. 😆 Maybe my channel will grow so large in the future that I’d do something like that as losing out on $150 wouldn’t be a big deal. Right now I want that money back so I can put it towards something high quality and European.
It would not be that difficult to convert it to single shot but I would mean permanent alterations, but hey what have you got to lose
Your shooting it off a bag, I did that at first and accuracy was crap, started freehanding artillery hold and got a quarter size group at 40 yards. It’s not the gun it’s the bag you’re resting it on.
@@adamrichie741 ha ha ha! You didn’t shoot a quarter sized group off hand at 40 yds with this piece of garbage. Good one! 🤣😂
@@airgunsofalaska...😅..I'm definitely not buying this rifle now..
@@meathead2676 Good move! It’s a turd 💩, best to stay far away from it. 😆
funny thing, when an airgun shoots sh.. it will soon be available in the country i live in.
That muzzle end looked rough as guts. Minimum effort put into making this thing. I'm a bit surprised at the breach/mad design. It could work with the best materials and engineering but that does seems to be lacking here.
My initial impression was the magazines were very robust and well made. But they are finicky, prone to issues and after discovering the sides were made from plastic my opinion of them lowered. Their inface with the beech and air port will be the source of problems as the mating surfaces wear. It’s a bad design.
Glad I didn’t buy one of those!
Yea nibs it looks like garbage!
I was wondering why I wasn’t seeing videos about this gun. I suspect everyone was so burned my the gen 1 Synergis they were unwilling to take a chance. Let some other chump buy one and review it. Arrgghh… 😡 I don’t like being that chump. I think Umarex made in China QC is so bad that it’s likely you’ll get a turd.
To bad. Seems to be a bad design. I think you've your best to give it every chance in the world.
@@JohnLong-ch1mc Yeah, it looked good on paper and I liked the repeater concept. Once I saw how the magazine interfaced with the breech I saw there was no hope for it. That’s a CO2 BB pistol design that has no place on a $150 air gun. Once the mating surfaces wear on the breech face and pressure tube port the gun will bypass air on every shot. The magazines are not as robust as they first appeared and were already getting finicky after only 250 shots.
I ended up spending way more time and effort on the gun than I wanted. It felt like work. I bought it with the idea it’d be accurate at 20 yds and with the repeater feature it’d make a great pest control gun. It’s not accurate enough for that kind of use.
It is good for tin cans at 5 yards!
@@flashgordon99999 yeah 🤣👍 that’s all it can do.
@@airgunsofalaska 🤣
Man I own one umarex and it's in pieces it's piece of s***
My 10+ year old, made in Taiwan Umarex CO2 pistols have been great. This Umarex rifle is complete trash.
Wow what a disappointment you definitely can shoot you have proven that many times and you certainly gave it a honest try with all the pellets you put though it, I have seen BB guns do as well, lol I just got to the point in the video that you got out the daisy pumper.
@@jimstewart5008 It definitely was a disappointment. I’d have figured out a way to clean up the crown but I saw no point to do so after examining how the magazine interfaced with the breech.
That’s a good way to look at it. If a guy just wants an underlever repeater and is fine with BB gun accuracy, this gun will fill that role nicely. If a person only shoots cans and large objects at around 10 yds they’ll probably be content with it. Problem is, there are other repeater style pellet guns that can easily do that and more for a lot less money.
I’m bummed I didn’t listen to my gut and cancel the 2nd order while it was sitting for days waiting to ship. I’d canceled it the 1st time I ordered the gun.
Woah sounds like Umarex is kinda pushy, they'd have been better off consulting you during development than pretending it's good now. Yeah blowing the pellet through the mag with no chambering sounds so off I'm not surprised it doesn't work.
I don’t know if davehimlin2374 is a Umarex employee or someone in the airgun industry who financially benefits from sales on this gun? But his comments are over the top enthusiastic about the gun. He sounds like a total shill. Ever since I called him out and he gave me a smart ass reply I’ve not heard from him again. 🤔 That’s pretty suspicious.
This gun is a junk show and best to be avoided.
OK first thing first, there are NO breach seals ... you will never get any type of accuracy, second that looks alot like the Crossman Mag-Fire mag... and we all know how those work... (those of us that have had one...) minus the air probe... Enough said... Big C out...😎
@@nightwolf357. Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hang on a minute there buddy… I don’t think you understand the unfettered genius behind this design. If, and that’s a big IF, a guy were to get a leak with the metal on metal contact of the breech and air port surfaces, the fix is super easy. You simply pull the magazine, slide an entire brand new gun underneath and reinsert the magazine. Just throw the old gun away and you’re good to go! 👍🤣😂
@@airgunsofalaska LOL I think I just pissed myself laughing to hard... Guess you do not have to have an engineering degree in pneumatics to get hired on with you know who...😆😅🤣😂😜🤪😝 Big C out...😎
that thing is hot garbage. I'll take option 2...the 880 with a quality scope 😂😂
Right!? I thought it was funny how the 880 is way cheaper AND more accurate.
So basically typical umarex product, looks good but not dependable. Cheaply made, high dollar. Might be better off with the original. But very disappointing
@@tfranke6011 I’m not familiar with their original model Synergis but I read/saw many negative reviews about it. This revised model isn’t worth buying either. Too bad, I like older the Umarex CO2 pistols I have.