I gotta admit Nitro is a very balanced powerplant option: much less effort than pumping, no twang and less recoil compared to spring, much less fiddling than pcp, good balance of power and accuracy.
@@yoitired I’d likely be singing the praises of gas ram guns if it wasn’t for all the comments I’ve read about guy’s experiencing failures. But, I’ve also received a lot of comments from guys who’ve said they’ve experienced good reliability over time. I’ll end up finding out with this Gamo. It does shoot well!
This is the same experience I'm having with my .22 Maxxim. The grouping is more inconsistent with the magazine attached than without. What I discovered is that the depth that the pellets are seated at varies. The Crosman HP and domed pellets are seated much deeper than Gamo hunter impact. The spring that pushes the pin to load another pellet isn't strong enough to deliver that kind of consistency.
@@loadoneplays Oh wow! Thats really interesting, I’d not considered how the auto loader would affect pellet seating with different pellets. My Norica Omnia is really finicky with head size and I often have to use a pellseat to push some pellets in all the way flush. An auto loader wouldn’t have that ability.
Thank you, especially for the knowledge re: the ease of removing the auto-feed mag. I didn't realize it was so straightfoward to remove and replace it. Makes me much less leary of purchasing this "newer technology." Thanks again!
@@MichaelWhite-cx4ho you’re welcome and thanks for watching and commenting. 😀👍 I too was leary of it before I bought one as I had a Crosman Magfire Extreme and it was terrible. I returned it for a refund. I was shooting this gun the other day to sight it in with a different scope and it was working flawlessly again with the magazine. So far it’s been an excellent gun and its accuracy and performance has been superior to a number of more expensive airguns that I own.
I watched some YT guy who does metal silhouette shooting real serious, like in the standing non-support type shooting. He said a great gun for .177 is the Gamo Swarm. I know you are shooting .22, but that looks very impressive. That's two videos on this gun that are really good. I'll have to get one when I can. Thanks for yet another good video!
@@brianwilke592 Right on, thanks! Mine has been a really great shooter out of the box. It impresses the heck out of me considering it was remanufactured and so inexpensive yet still made in Spain. The only thing that has me wondering is if the point of impact has a tendency to shift. I’m going to switch scopes as that’s the most likely culprit. Then I can test to make sure nothing strange is going on. One thing I’ve noticed about this gun is that in the comments it seems like Gamos are either loves or hated. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground. I’m not in love with Gamo’s marketing, lack or parts support or their garbage warranty when purchasing off the website. But this gun performs very well and was extremely good on price. $105 shipped to me in Alaska.
I will need to try my Umarex Gauntlet with and without the magazine. It has a single shot loading tray in addition to the normal magazine. I am not sure if your results will transfer over to other design types but it will be interesting to see. Interesting video; thanks!
@@motorosso3349 That’d definitely be interesting to see. With this particular magazine design, an o-ring holds the pellets in place. My PCP magazines aren’t like that so I suspect they have less of a chance to cause any deformation.
@@rquest3059 I wasn’t quite sure what to expect either. It was really cool to see the difference. It wasn’t huge but when shooting targets out at 50 yds, the spread definitely get more pronounced.
@@airgunsofalaska Could the magazine system be affecting the barrel harmonics? Have you tried extracting pellets from the breech after they'be been loaded using the magazine to see if the pellets are distorted or damaged in any way? Maybe the skirt gets bent.
@ No, I’ve not tried that. I know the pellets can be difficult to fully seat into the magazine when it’s cold. The o-ring gets stiff and I reason that it slightly malforms the skirt. The plastic auto loading system mounts onto the breech block so it’s possible it could impact the harmonics but I suspect it’d be minimal. At the end of the day it’s not a fatal flaw, I like that I can remove the auto loader if I choose to. For pest control or hunting, I think having a repeater is more of a benefit than the slight decrease in accuracy. I like that you can carry a few loaded magazines in your pocket and that’s much more convenient than loading pellets signally by hand. I suspect it could be argued that loose pellets bouncing around in a pouch or pocket will likely get malformed as well when walking and hiking around in the field.
I never shot groups side by side like that, but I was chronographing it with the magazine on and was getting about 150 fps variation in velocity. The interesting thing about it was that the velocities were mostly predictictable and the variatio depended on which cylinder in the magazine they were feeding from. I tried three different mags and saw similar problems with all three. Some were better than others though. When I took the auto feed mechanism off, not only did the massive shot to shot variation vanish, but the peak velocities went up about 25 fps.
@@GR-cf4qh oh wow! That’s really interesting. I can’t help but think the pellet skirts are being slightly malformed in some fashion by running through the magazine that would account for the velocity differences?
@@airgunsofalaska I'm pretty sure you're right about that. Once I saw that removing the magazine eliminated the problem I never put it back on. To me it's kind of a Rube Goldberg mechanism. It really does a lot of moving and is almost entirely constructed of plastic. It starts out with the pellets in a vertical position, rotates them 90 degrees to the horizontal, feeds them, rotates them back and advances the cylinder. It would be tough to get that right with a precision machined mechanism and it's really amazing that it works as well as it does. The other thing that turned me off about it was how easy it made it to dry fire the rifle.
@ I’m not familiar with the two, newer auto loading systems. I remember reading something about how the magazine was flat on one of them. It sounds like more unnecessary complication. But I suppose they were trying to reduce the profile of the system in relegation to the sight line? Overall I’ve been very happy with the reliability of my Gen 1 system. It’s worked perfectly and I like that I can remove it when it finally wears out of breaks. The dry firing aspect is annoying. It seems like all the mag fed break barrel and under lever designs have that issue. I think it’s more of a problem when you switch back and forth across a number of airguns. If you used a mag fed gun all the time I suspect a guy would be able to keep better track of how many he shot and avoid dry firing by mistake.
I have always felt the same about these guns that they woudl be more accurate without the mag system attached So this was a really good test to do my friend.
@@airgunsofalaska I have always wondered it as well and funnny thing is I thought about making the same kind of video to answer the question but you neat me to it. lol! Good video though and it also proves that you do not always have to spend a fortune on an air rifle to get a good accurate one either. I have a gamo varmit hunter extreme I have had for over 10yrs and it is still going strong. It is a spring gun but I also have a benjamin trail nitro piston air riflfe that has a gas ram in it and I have had it for over 10yrs as well and it is still going strong as well. I prefer springs over the gas nitro piston stuff but I have a few gamo air rifle I have had for several years and all of them have the gas ram nitro pistons in them and have been doing just fine. Not sure how long one of those will last and I have heard guys on youtube talking about them failing on them a lot but so far I have not experienced that and I hope it stays that way knock on wood lol!
@@airgunsofalaska Ya man like I said I have had my benjamin trail nitro piston gas ram for over 10yrs now. Made a video with it a few months back title was some like the bejamin trail 10yrs later or something like that.
@@chriswedgworth it’s one of my favorites for sure! 👍 When guns like this perform so well I start questioning why I have to fiddle fart with pellet testing on more expensive guns that can’t shoot as well consistently.
I'm definitely stuck on the cons of an air piston. I have yet to have one last longer then 6ish years. I'm still shooting mechanical springers from the 80s and yet replaced a mainspring. Even on an expensive Theoben Eliminator the air piston has crapped out 3 times since the early 90's. Also, for the plastic breech block, I don't see it holding up especially due to the heavy spring detent wear and tear. Time will obviously tell but I still prefer the all steel.
@@michaelwthalman I’ve had and still have the exact same concerns you do about gas rams. I don’t see it lasting 39 & 40 years like the steel springs have in my RWS Diana Model 36 and Shanghai China 62 respectively. I’m not as concerned about the plastic shrouded steel breech although I’ve read mixed things about them. That’s interesting to hear about the Theoban gas piston. People seem to hold them in very high regard. But I’m not surprised to hear they also have reliability problems over time. Overall I’m quite impressed with the Gamo gun and I guess I just wanted to bring to light that guys could miss out on a good thing if they are unwilling to try new technologies. I’m totally a retro grouch so I understand where guys are resistant to guns that are not traditional in nature. But, that’s a cool thing about me creating my channel. It forces me to try new stuff and sometimes it is good.
@airgunsofalaska If Gamo would open their parts department to their actual customers, it probably would help. If I could simply order a spare piston and seal to have so I could replace them that would be a changer to some extent. When I buy an airgun I basically have a keep it for life mentality even if the gun is cheap. I guess I have never studied air pistons and probably should, but it is hard to keep pressurized air pressurized, just like keeping water contained in one spot. Eventually it finds the area of least resistance and breaks the dam so to speak. Obviously steel mainsprings break also, but they tend not to break if they aren't being used. From my experience an air piston will simply just decide to leak at any time with or without use. So Im not even sure if heavy use of an air piston correlates to a faster failure or not.
@ Excellent points! I’ve read about guys having gas ram guns fail just from sitting in storage. I’ve never had to replace a steel spring. I’ve not tried ordering any parts from Gamo but have read numerous times they don’t sell replacement parts. That’s garbage customer service as I’m like you, I don’t buy guns with a mindset they they are disposable. Gamo’s return policy for guns ordered off their website is terrible. I’m not a huge Gamo fan but this particular gun is a great performer. I’m curious to see how long it’ll last.
@@charlesoutdoors2424 I had Beeman do the repair. It was a Beeman Crow Magnum III which was the Eliminator. I regretfully had to sell it. Which I regret, after learning how to tone down the power, it shot .20cal pellets great. But, you bring up a good point. What do the folks who still have them do when they fail? I know Theoben is making air pistons to go into the HW90. I'm not sure if that is the same HE piston or not.
I have the same questions you do but this is cool and funny at the same time we just need to keep shooting and figuring it out lol. While i am 50 -50 on springer and piston leaning more springers
@@donoliver96 You can’t go wrong with a good quality European made steel springer. It’s my opinion that gas ram guns are so prevalent due to cost, not better performance, better longevity or better reliability. I bet some Chinese company can turn out gas rams for less cost than quality steel springs. I also suspect that gas rams are quicker and easier to install during the gun assembly process compared to a steel spring. I will say the gas ram design doesn’t have the annoying spring buzz and twang but they can easily and cheaply be addressed by the owner with some moly grease. I’m planning to avoid buying any new gas ram guns in the future.
@@cnjhendricks Me missing has happened more than once and a couple times a squirrel was running back and forth under my sawhorse that was sitting at 20 yds and I still missed while the squirrel was sitting still. I’m like WTF?! Now that I’m thinking about it. The POI shifted on this gun between my practice target and when I filmed. That’s probably the cheap scope not holding a perfect zero.sometimes all,the variables become a real hassle to work through.
@ I should swap the scope for something better. If that doesn’t cure it then I just figured out why I keep missing squirrels. If the POI is shifting then the gun is fatally flawed. Now I’m curious to find out! 😀
I totally agree with you, how can a manufacturer make and sell that product for 110 USD! amazing when you think about it. The gun is obviously giving them a profit, which has to be probably 40 bucks. How can a manufacturer make that gun for that kind of money? fantastic when you really think about it. As to gas ram being a modern technology, well, it's got to be at least 40 years since Theoben first came out with their first gas ram rifle. Weihrauch approached Theoben and made their own version which is still available and a lovely quality rifle (at a price of course) but as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. Side by side, you would appreciate the difference, even if only in quality difference of materials used. As to single pellets or magazine, again it's not that cut and dried. Target shooters tend to single load where accuracy is paramount. Target rifles being a dedicated type of gun. When I'm out hunting, I like a magazine so I can have a qick follow up shot should I need one (you never know). Again though, the type of magazine can make a huge difference. Most magazines have a spring inside to rotate the pellets, if you are using a thin skirted pellet, they can distort (the skirt that is) due to the spring tension required to rotate a full magazine. Other rifles use a system where the magazine is is not loaded under tension and is mechanically rotated, so no pressure is pushing on the skirt (as used in the Weihrauch 100 for instance). The magazines are usually less complicated (and usually cheaper). Horses for courses and budget of course. Loving your take on airgun shooters, really enjoying it so please keep the videos coming. This is from a airgunner of over 50 years and an owner of over ten air rifles 😊👍
@@brynybach7741 I’ve been very impressed by the accuracy this low priced Gamo is able to provide. It blows away my far more expensive Gamo CFX under lever. I agree about the benefits magazines fed repeater provide for hunting or pest control. It’s very nice to have a quick follow up shot available when dealing with pests. Plus it’s some much more convenient for the pellets to be held within the gun rather than rattling around in a pouch or pocket. I wasn’t aware that Weirhauch made any repeaters. I’m sure they are very nice AND pricy. 😆 I’ve read about the Theobian gas ram system but I’ve never seen one in person. Gas ram guns are new to me and I’m still not a 100% supportive of the technology but I won’t argue against the benefits it provides in smoothing out airguns. Thanks for watching and commenting on my video. It’s great to hear you are enjoying them. Cheers! 🍻
Really good again. I like gasrams a lot. Neater and feels quicker lock dow time. My experience is that the gamo rams can lose power as time goes on , but none gone below 11.5 fpe and I m OK with that. Did the same with my gamo Magnum x10 in 22 mag on and off.. Not alot of difference, but need to put more pellets through. I find Gamos good value, just maybe need to mess now and agin with them. Lost the e clip 2 nd day and its a piece of duct tape instead... Really nice offhand shooting. Keith
@@keithbarker-e4q Thanks! I’ll have to keep track of velocity of my gun and see how the gas ram does over time. I do like the lack of spring buzz and twang but I’m still on the fence regarding the longevity of the gas ram. Overall I really like this gun! It’s light and handy, accurate, easy to shoot and while I’m not a fan of it being shrouded in so much plastic, it does save me from obsessing about scratches, nicks and scrapes compared to a traditional wood and blued steel airgun.
I noticed on mine that shooting off The bag and holding freehand or leaning on a tree had totally different POI's. That may have been your squirrel problem! Would actually make a great video.
So many factors can influence accuracy such as the scope , ammo ( cheap or boutique ) , how its held the same for each and every shot , temperature , rested or freehand , wood stock or plastic . The Airgun Salesman had to admit (on air ) that a break barrel can be shot rested on a bag or bipods ? Kind of comical , like eating crow .🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have no problem loading single shot or using the magazine , but I do like like the convenience the magazine offers . My 2017 Maxxim .177 ( same power plant ) 💪 shoots very good with super cheap Winchester pellets 4.00 per tin . You should try the same test during warmer weather . I use a small amount of pellgunoil on the 0-rings that hold the pellets in place as well as every part that rotates . I don't see the CFX on Gamo's website any longer must be poor reviews .
@@joedokes8641 very good points about all the influencing factors. Kinda crazy when you think about it! I’ve noticed some of my gas ram guns or springers don’t really mind being rested on a bag. I played around a little bit resting on a bag with this Gamo while practicing and saw the POI changed between it resting on my hand or directly on the bag. I felt like I had a little bit more control of it jumping by holding the forearm lightly. I think they only due limited production runs of the CFX? The latest version I got definitely wasn’t winning anyone over with accuracy. 😆🤦♂️
I have 14 Gamo rifles, both springers and IGTs, half in wood stocks and half in polymer, some with steel breaches and lock ups some with the plastic, some were over 300 beans, some were under 100, none have failed me, all are very very accurate, unfortunately there is a lot of snobbery in this sport and people just wont except certain brands like gamo. I am very fortunate as a collector to have 59 rifles, various brands, Weihrauch, Air Arms, Diana etc etc included, but I regularly point out that at 25 to 30 mtrs, many of my gamos perform just as well. I unsubscribed from SPRF, nothing against Chuck, but his Gamo negativity was becoming too common in his videos. I donot hunt and target shoot only, I never use a magazine, testing like yours proved to me single shots were way more accurate, so I removed all swarms etc.
@@peterhickson1691 That’s really good to hear! I’ve noticed in the comments with this gun over the past 8 months that Gamo’s are kinda polarizing. It seems like guys either love them or hate them, not much in between. Airgun snobbery… 🙄oh yes, I know it well! I’ve had to mute a couple very vocal and snobbish commentators for reasons like that. I really don’t care that your $1000-$2000 PCP or finely crafted whatever can shoot aspirin tablets at 50-100 yds. Nothing I test is in that price range. I’m like why are you watching my video and crapping all over the gun I’m featuring? The vast majority of airgunners are never, in the history of ever, going to buy a boutique airgun in that price range. Besides, there are plenty of channels that feature content like that which caters to the top end models. I went down a rabbit hole one night and watched a bunch of SPRF videos and came away with “if you don’t own/shoot a Weirhauch, you don’t have anything”. Cool. For me there is more to life than shooting the same old, traditional type springer air rifle, over and over and over again, adnauseam. I’m not taking anything away from the design or saying they aren’t good or excellent, but again, the vast majority of airgunners are not going to buy a gun like that which starts at $300 shipped for a low powered version. This video is a good for instance. Most back yards are not huge. This Gamo is more than capable of accurately hitting pretty much whatever you need to within 20 yds. It’s likely that the vast majority of casual airgunners don’t need anything more and the airgun snobbery doesn’t seem to realize that. Whoa! I guess that concept got me a little fired up. Ha ha!
@@joelheusschen7972 Boy, I’ve got a few. I don’t know that I have one single airgun that is my all time favorite. For multi pump pneumatic it’s probably my Benjamin 342 or 397. For single pump pneumatic it’s my Daisy 753. For break barrel springer it’d be my Diana Mod 34. For break barrel gas ram it’d be my Gamo Swarm Hornet. For under lever… I hate to say it but probably my Gamo CFX even though my Xisico XS46 is more accurate. I think I need to keep shopping for under levers. 😆 For side lever definitely my Air King. For PCP my first generation Marauder. For pure sentimental value I’ve got too many and have featured all of them on my channel. Shanghai China model 62, RWS model 36, Crosman 2200 Magnum and Crosman 760 Powermaster.
Kindly, repeat the same test with and without the reloading mechanism on your gamo swarm, but this time use a reliable springer rated scope. I can assure you, your scope was wondering on your second grouping, and the proof is that the poi shifted and you got two separate hole in hole groups at your second grouping. You will be surprised that the groupings will be very and I mean very identical to each other.
calling BS on utube, my comment was removed- took url out, and couple other potental offensive bla bla, maybe thats the problems? "Glad I found your tube. 26F degrees, dang you could use an indoor 33 foot range LOL. Extremely interested in guts comparo between 54 and ZRS air ..., Hoping ZRS proves itself across .177 thru .25, tubes, units tested, and time. Near recoilless is a great training aid, as is Adjustable cheek weld, to grow from open to peep to optics. And carrying the ZRS slung all day is more realistic than 54. Cannot find specific manual for ZRS, but you referenced swapping a part every 3k of pellets. It sounds like Jose designed part to be easy to get at ... , and he reports over 8000 pellets on a prototype. ZRS system is a sea change, so my hope is Norica will produce quality accordingly. Looks are growing on me, at first I thought it was fugly, color helped me alot and kids will love colors I’m sure. I’m good with looks now.
@@notkingcharlemagne9282 Over the years I’ve had other viewers say they’ve had issues with their comments getting deleted by RUclips. I don’t know why that is? I’ve got my comments selection set to receive all comments as I don’t want RUclips doing any filtering. I can’t speak to the long term reliability of the ZRS system as I’ve not had it long enough. I really like it so far. I’ve noticed it’s pretty controversial with airgunners. Some guys are excited about it, some are very skeptical and some don’t like it at all. It’s different and innovative and extremely smooth to shoot. The smoothness is what I like best.
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Interesting video. Didn’t expect the group change at all. Thank you for the concept of doing this.
@@merliny This video went really well!
I gotta admit Nitro is a very balanced powerplant option: much less effort than pumping, no twang and less recoil compared to spring, much less fiddling than pcp, good balance of power and accuracy.
@@yoitired I’d likely be singing the praises of gas ram guns if it wasn’t for all the comments I’ve read about guy’s experiencing failures. But, I’ve also received a lot of comments from guys who’ve said they’ve experienced good reliability over time. I’ll end up finding out with this Gamo. It does shoot well!
This is the same experience I'm having with my .22 Maxxim. The grouping is more inconsistent with the magazine attached than without.
What I discovered is that the depth that the pellets are seated at varies.
The Crosman HP and domed pellets are seated much deeper than Gamo hunter impact. The spring that pushes the pin to load another pellet isn't strong enough to deliver that kind of consistency.
@@loadoneplays Oh wow! Thats really interesting, I’d not considered how the auto loader would affect pellet seating with different pellets. My Norica Omnia is really finicky with head size and I often have to use a pellseat to push some pellets in all the way flush. An auto loader wouldn’t have that ability.
Thank you, especially for the knowledge re: the ease of removing the auto-feed mag. I didn't realize it was so straightfoward to remove and replace it. Makes me much less leary of purchasing this "newer technology." Thanks again!
@@MichaelWhite-cx4ho you’re welcome and thanks for watching and commenting. 😀👍 I too was leary of it before I bought one as I had a Crosman Magfire Extreme and it was terrible. I returned it for a refund. I was shooting this gun the other day to sight it in with a different scope and it was working flawlessly again with the magazine. So far it’s been an excellent gun and its accuracy and performance has been superior to a number of more expensive airguns that I own.
I watched some YT guy who does metal silhouette shooting real serious, like in the standing non-support type shooting. He said a great gun for .177 is the Gamo Swarm. I know you are shooting .22, but that looks very impressive. That's two videos on this gun that are really good. I'll have to get one when I can. Thanks for yet another good video!
@@brianwilke592 Right on, thanks! Mine has been a really great shooter out of the box. It impresses the heck out of me considering it was remanufactured and so inexpensive yet still made in Spain.
The only thing that has me wondering is if the point of impact has a tendency to shift. I’m going to switch scopes as that’s the most likely culprit. Then I can test to make sure nothing strange is going on.
One thing I’ve noticed about this gun is that in the comments it seems like Gamos are either loves or hated. There doesn’t seem to be much middle ground. I’m not in love with Gamo’s marketing, lack or parts support or their garbage warranty when purchasing off the website. But this gun performs very well and was extremely good on price. $105 shipped to me in Alaska.
I will need to try my Umarex Gauntlet with and without the magazine.
It has a single shot loading tray in addition to the normal magazine.
I am not sure if your results will transfer over to other design types but it will be interesting to see.
Interesting video; thanks!
@@motorosso3349 That’d definitely be interesting to see. With this particular magazine design, an o-ring holds the pellets in place. My PCP magazines aren’t like that so I suspect they have less of a chance to cause any deformation.
It's interesting how the group opened up with the magazine attached. I didn't expect that.
@@rquest3059 I wasn’t quite sure what to expect either. It was really cool to see the difference. It wasn’t huge but when shooting targets out at 50 yds, the spread definitely get more pronounced.
@@airgunsofalaska Could the magazine system be affecting the barrel harmonics? Have you tried extracting pellets from the breech after they'be been loaded using the magazine to see if the pellets are distorted or damaged in any way? Maybe the skirt gets bent.
@ No, I’ve not tried that. I know the pellets can be difficult to fully seat into the magazine when it’s cold. The o-ring gets stiff and I reason that it slightly malforms the skirt. The plastic auto loading system mounts onto the breech block so it’s possible it could impact the harmonics but I suspect it’d be minimal. At the end of the day it’s not a fatal flaw, I like that I can remove the auto loader if I choose to. For pest control or hunting, I think having a repeater is more of a benefit than the slight decrease in accuracy. I like that you can carry a few loaded magazines in your pocket and that’s much more convenient than loading pellets signally by hand. I suspect it could be argued that loose pellets bouncing around in a pouch or pocket will likely get malformed as well when walking and hiking around in the field.
I had the se experience with my gamo speedster, great video man
@@GunGunnersItaly Thanks!
I never shot groups side by side like that, but I was chronographing it with the magazine on and was getting about 150 fps variation in velocity. The interesting thing about it was that the velocities were mostly predictictable and the variatio depended on which cylinder in the magazine they were feeding from. I tried three different mags and saw similar problems with all three. Some were better than others though. When I took the auto feed mechanism off, not only did the massive shot to shot variation vanish, but the peak velocities went up about 25 fps.
@@GR-cf4qh oh wow! That’s really interesting. I can’t help but think the pellet skirts are being slightly malformed in some fashion by running through the magazine that would account for the velocity differences?
@@airgunsofalaska I'm pretty sure you're right about that. Once I saw that removing the magazine eliminated the problem I never put it back on. To me it's kind of a Rube Goldberg mechanism. It really does a lot of moving and is almost entirely constructed of plastic. It starts out with the pellets in a vertical position, rotates them 90 degrees to the horizontal, feeds them, rotates them back and advances the cylinder. It would be tough to get that right with a precision machined mechanism and it's really amazing that it works as well as it does.
The other thing that turned me off about it was how easy it made it to dry fire the rifle.
@ I’m not familiar with the two, newer auto loading systems. I remember reading something about how the magazine was flat on one of them. It sounds like more unnecessary complication. But I suppose they were trying to reduce the profile of the system in relegation to the sight line?
Overall I’ve been very happy with the reliability of my Gen 1 system. It’s worked perfectly and I like that I can remove it when it finally wears out of breaks. The dry firing aspect is annoying. It seems like all the mag fed break barrel and under lever designs have that issue. I think it’s more of a problem when you switch back and forth across a number of airguns. If you used a mag fed gun all the time I suspect a guy would be able to keep better track of how many he shot and avoid dry firing by mistake.
Awesome!
@@WalnutandSteel Thanks! It felt good to be in the zone with my shooting today. 😄 Yesterday’s video was a bit disappointing.
I have always felt the same about these guns that they woudl be more accurate without the mag system attached So this was a really good test to do my friend.
It’s been something I’ve been wondering about and it was cool to be able to capture the difference on video.
@@airgunsofalaska I have always wondered it as well and funnny thing is I thought about making the same kind of video to answer the question but you neat me to it. lol!
Good video though and it also proves that you do not always have to spend a fortune on an air rifle to get a good accurate one either.
I have a gamo varmit hunter extreme I have had for over 10yrs and it is still going strong.
It is a spring gun but I also have a benjamin trail nitro piston air riflfe that has a gas ram in it and I have had it for over 10yrs as well and it is still going strong as well.
I prefer springs over the gas nitro piston stuff but I have a few gamo air rifle I have had for several years and all of them have the gas ram nitro pistons in them and have been doing just fine.
Not sure how long one of those will last and I have heard guys on youtube talking about them failing on them a lot but so far I have not experienced that and I hope it stays that way knock on wood lol!
@ it’s encouraging to hear that you are seeing long term reliability with the gas ram system.
@@airgunsofalaska Ya man like I said I have had my benjamin trail nitro piston gas ram for over 10yrs now.
Made a video with it a few months back title was some like the bejamin trail 10yrs later or something like that.
Very cool
Love it when you can get a budget gun to shoot that good
@@chriswedgworth it’s one of my favorites for sure! 👍 When guns like this perform so well I start questioning why I have to fiddle fart with pellet testing on more expensive guns that can’t shoot as well consistently.
@ Im looking at the Gamo Shadow Tactical Maxim GR-22 single shot at Gamos web site
Looks like the same barrel
I'm definitely stuck on the cons of an air piston. I have yet to have one last longer then 6ish years. I'm still shooting mechanical springers from the 80s and yet replaced a mainspring. Even on an expensive Theoben Eliminator the air piston has crapped out 3 times since the early 90's. Also, for the plastic breech block, I don't see it holding up especially due to the heavy spring detent wear and tear. Time will obviously tell but I still prefer the all steel.
@@michaelwthalman I’ve had and still have the exact same concerns you do about gas rams. I don’t see it lasting 39 & 40 years like the steel springs have in my RWS Diana Model 36 and Shanghai China 62 respectively. I’m not as concerned about the plastic shrouded steel breech although I’ve read mixed things about them.
That’s interesting to hear about the Theoban gas piston. People seem to hold them in very high regard. But I’m not surprised to hear they also have reliability problems over time. Overall I’m quite impressed with the Gamo gun and I guess I just wanted to bring to light that guys could miss out on a good thing if they are unwilling to try new technologies. I’m totally a retro grouch so I understand where guys are resistant to guns that are not traditional in nature. But, that’s a cool thing about me creating my channel. It forces me to try new stuff and sometimes it is good.
@airgunsofalaska If Gamo would open their parts department to their actual customers, it probably would help. If I could simply order a spare piston and seal to have so I could replace them that would be a changer to some extent. When I buy an airgun I basically have a keep it for life mentality even if the gun is cheap. I guess I have never studied air pistons and probably should, but it is hard to keep pressurized air pressurized, just like keeping water contained in one spot. Eventually it finds the area of least resistance and breaks the dam so to speak. Obviously steel mainsprings break also, but they tend not to break if they aren't being used. From my experience an air piston will simply just decide to leak at any time with or without use. So Im not even sure if heavy use of an air piston correlates to a faster failure or not.
@ Excellent points! I’ve read about guys having gas ram guns fail just from sitting in storage. I’ve never had to replace a steel spring.
I’ve not tried ordering any parts from Gamo but have read numerous times they don’t sell replacement parts. That’s garbage customer service as I’m like you, I don’t buy guns with a mindset they they are disposable. Gamo’s return policy for guns ordered off their website is terrible. I’m not a huge Gamo fan but this particular gun is a great performer. I’m curious to see how long it’ll last.
What part of the air piston failed on a Theoben Eliminator? How did you fix it?
@@charlesoutdoors2424 I had Beeman do the repair. It was a Beeman Crow Magnum III which was the Eliminator. I regretfully had to sell it. Which I regret, after learning how to tone down the power, it shot .20cal pellets great. But, you bring up a good point. What do the folks who still have them do when they fail? I know Theoben is making air pistons to go into the HW90. I'm not sure if that is the same HE piston or not.
I have the same questions you do but this is cool and funny at the same time we just need to keep shooting and figuring it out lol. While i am 50 -50 on springer and piston leaning more springers
@@donoliver96 You can’t go wrong with a good quality European made steel springer. It’s my opinion that gas ram guns are so prevalent due to cost, not better performance, better longevity or better reliability. I bet some Chinese company can turn out gas rams for less cost than quality steel springs. I also suspect that gas rams are quicker and easier to install during the gun assembly process compared to a steel spring. I will say the gas ram design doesn’t have the annoying spring buzz and twang but they can easily and cheaply be addressed by the owner with some moly grease. I’m planning to avoid buying any new gas ram guns in the future.
the $:fun ratio looks great. Must have been that squirrel's lucky day.
@@cnjhendricks Me missing has happened more than once and a couple times a squirrel was running back and forth under my sawhorse that was sitting at 20 yds and I still missed while the squirrel was sitting still. I’m like WTF?! Now that I’m thinking about it. The POI shifted on this gun between my practice target and when I filmed. That’s probably the cheap scope not holding a perfect zero.sometimes all,the variables become a real hassle to work through.
@@airgunsofalaska hopefully you figure out that POI shift or maybe she'll become a 15yrd plinker. 👍
@ I should swap the scope for something better. If that doesn’t cure it then I just figured out why I keep missing squirrels. If the POI is shifting then the gun is fatally flawed. Now I’m curious to find out! 😀
@@airgunsofalaska the plot continues!
@ you’ve got me thinking 🤔 now. 😆
I totally agree with you, how can a manufacturer make and sell that product for 110 USD! amazing when you think about it. The gun is obviously giving them a profit, which has to be probably 40 bucks. How can a manufacturer make that gun for that kind of money? fantastic when you really think about it.
As to gas ram being a modern technology, well, it's got to be at least 40 years since Theoben first came out with their first gas ram rifle. Weihrauch approached Theoben and made their own version which is still available and a lovely quality rifle (at a price of course) but as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. Side by side, you would appreciate the difference, even if only in quality difference of materials used.
As to single pellets or magazine, again it's not that cut and dried. Target shooters tend to single load where accuracy is paramount. Target rifles being a dedicated type of gun. When I'm out hunting, I like a magazine so I can have a qick follow up shot should I need one (you never know). Again though, the type of magazine can make a huge difference. Most magazines have a spring inside to rotate the pellets, if you are using a thin skirted pellet, they can distort (the skirt that is) due to the spring tension required to rotate a full magazine. Other rifles use a system where the magazine is is not loaded under tension and is mechanically rotated, so no pressure is pushing on the skirt (as used in the Weihrauch 100 for instance). The magazines are usually less complicated (and usually cheaper). Horses for courses and budget of course.
Loving your take on airgun shooters, really enjoying it so please keep the videos coming. This is from a airgunner of over 50 years and an owner of over ten air rifles 😊👍
@@brynybach7741 I’ve been very impressed by the accuracy this low priced Gamo is able to provide. It blows away my far more expensive Gamo CFX under lever.
I agree about the benefits magazines fed repeater provide for hunting or pest control. It’s very nice to have a quick follow up shot available when dealing with pests. Plus it’s some much more convenient for the pellets to be held within the gun rather than rattling around in a pouch or pocket.
I wasn’t aware that Weirhauch made any repeaters. I’m sure they are very nice AND pricy. 😆
I’ve read about the Theobian gas ram system but I’ve never seen one in person. Gas ram guns are new to me and I’m still not a 100% supportive of the technology but I won’t argue against the benefits it provides in smoothing out airguns.
Thanks for watching and commenting on my video. It’s great to hear you are enjoying them. Cheers! 🍻
Great pinpoint accuracy. Looks like half inch groupings!
@@greg4161 I think so on the no magazine target.😀
Closer to 3/4” on the magazine target.
I've got a number of Gamo's and you can't go wrong. Yes you got a good deal.
Really good again. I like gasrams a lot. Neater and feels quicker lock dow time. My experience is that the gamo rams can lose power as time goes on , but none gone below 11.5 fpe and I m OK with that. Did the same with my gamo Magnum x10 in 22 mag on and off.. Not alot of difference, but need to put more pellets through. I find Gamos good value, just maybe need to mess now and agin with them. Lost the e clip 2 nd day and its a piece of duct tape instead...
Really nice offhand shooting. Keith
@@keithbarker-e4q Thanks! I’ll have to keep track of velocity of my gun and see how the gas ram does over time. I do like the lack of spring buzz and twang but I’m still on the fence regarding the longevity of the gas ram.
Overall I really like this gun! It’s light and handy, accurate, easy to shoot and while I’m not a fan of it being shrouded in so much plastic, it does save me from obsessing about scratches, nicks and scrapes compared to a traditional wood and blued steel airgun.
I noticed on mine that shooting off The bag and holding freehand or leaning on a tree had totally different POI's. That may have been your squirrel problem! Would actually make a great video.
@@shawnsullivan7665 That’s interesting, I wonder if that’s what keeps happening to me?
So many factors can influence accuracy such as the scope , ammo ( cheap or boutique ) , how its held the same for each and every shot , temperature , rested or freehand , wood stock or plastic . The Airgun Salesman had to admit (on air ) that a break barrel can be shot rested on a bag or bipods ? Kind of comical , like eating crow .🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have no problem loading single shot or using the magazine , but I do like like the convenience the magazine offers . My 2017 Maxxim .177 ( same power plant ) 💪 shoots very good with super cheap Winchester pellets 4.00 per tin . You should try the same test during warmer weather . I use a small amount of pellgunoil on the 0-rings that hold the pellets in place as well as every part that rotates . I don't see the CFX on Gamo's website any longer must be poor reviews .
@@joedokes8641 very good points about all the influencing factors. Kinda crazy when you think about it! I’ve noticed some of my gas ram guns or springers don’t really mind being rested on a bag. I played around a little bit resting on a bag with this Gamo while practicing and saw the POI changed between it resting on my hand or directly on the bag. I felt like I had a little bit more control of it jumping by holding the forearm lightly.
I think they only due limited production runs of the CFX? The latest version I got definitely wasn’t winning anyone over with accuracy. 😆🤦♂️
I have 14 Gamo rifles, both springers and IGTs, half in wood stocks and half in polymer, some with steel breaches and lock ups some with the plastic, some were over 300 beans, some were under 100, none have failed me, all are very very accurate, unfortunately there is a lot of snobbery in this sport and people just wont except certain brands like gamo. I am very fortunate as a collector to have 59 rifles, various brands, Weihrauch, Air Arms, Diana etc etc included, but I regularly point out that at 25 to 30 mtrs, many of my gamos perform just as well.
I unsubscribed from SPRF, nothing against Chuck, but his Gamo negativity was becoming too common in his videos. I donot hunt and target shoot only, I never use a magazine, testing like yours proved to me single shots were way more accurate, so I removed all swarms etc.
@@peterhickson1691 That’s really good to hear! I’ve noticed in the comments with this gun over the past 8 months that Gamo’s are kinda polarizing. It seems like guys either love them or hate them, not much in between.
Airgun snobbery… 🙄oh yes, I know it well! I’ve had to mute a couple very vocal and snobbish commentators for reasons like that. I really don’t care that your $1000-$2000 PCP or finely crafted whatever can shoot aspirin tablets at 50-100 yds. Nothing I test is in that price range. I’m like why are you watching my video and crapping all over the gun I’m featuring? The vast majority of airgunners are never, in the history of ever, going to buy a boutique airgun in that price range. Besides, there are plenty of channels that feature content like that which caters to the top end models.
I went down a rabbit hole one night and watched a bunch of SPRF videos and came away with “if you don’t own/shoot a Weirhauch, you don’t have anything”. Cool. For me there is more to life than shooting the same old, traditional type springer air rifle, over and over and over again, adnauseam. I’m not taking anything away from the design or saying they aren’t good or excellent, but again, the vast majority of airgunners are not going to buy a gun like that which starts at $300 shipped for a low powered version.
This video is a good for instance. Most back yards are not huge. This Gamo is more than capable of accurately hitting pretty much whatever you need to within 20 yds. It’s likely that the vast majority of casual airgunners don’t need anything more and the airgun snobbery doesn’t seem to realize that.
Whoa! I guess that concept got me a little fired up. Ha ha!
Hello, what is your all time favorite best air rifle?
@@joelheusschen7972 Boy, I’ve got a few. I don’t know that I have one single airgun that is my all time favorite. For multi pump pneumatic it’s probably my Benjamin 342 or 397. For single pump pneumatic it’s my Daisy 753. For break barrel springer it’d be my Diana Mod 34. For break barrel gas ram it’d be my Gamo Swarm Hornet. For under lever… I hate to say it but probably my Gamo CFX even though my Xisico XS46 is more accurate. I think I need to keep shopping for under levers. 😆 For side lever definitely my Air King. For PCP my first generation Marauder.
For pure sentimental value I’ve got too many and have featured all of them on my channel. Shanghai China model 62, RWS model 36, Crosman 2200 Magnum and Crosman 760 Powermaster.
That's a lot. 👍 Thanks again
Kindly, repeat the same test with and without the reloading mechanism on your gamo swarm, but this time use a reliable springer rated scope.
I can assure you, your scope was wondering on your second grouping, and the proof is that the poi shifted and you got two separate hole in hole groups at your second grouping.
You will be surprised that the groupings will be very and I mean very identical to each other.
@@paulkarkorian6377 I can look into it but it won’t be until this spring or summer when it is warmer with more light.
Impresionante como agrupacese rifle gamo sin cargador....
I thought that was really cool to see as well! 😀👍
calling BS on utube, my comment was removed- took url out, and couple other potental offensive bla bla, maybe thats the problems?
"Glad I found your tube. 26F degrees, dang you could use an indoor 33 foot range LOL. Extremely interested in guts comparo between 54 and ZRS air ..., Hoping ZRS proves itself across .177 thru .25, tubes, units tested, and time. Near recoilless is a great training aid, as is Adjustable cheek weld, to grow from open to peep to optics. And carrying the ZRS slung all day is more realistic than 54. Cannot find specific manual for ZRS, but you referenced swapping a part every 3k of pellets. It sounds like Jose designed part to be easy to get at ... , and he reports over 8000 pellets on a prototype.
ZRS system is a sea change, so my hope is Norica will produce quality accordingly. Looks are growing on me, at first I thought it was fugly, color helped me alot and kids will love colors I’m sure. I’m good with looks now.
@@notkingcharlemagne9282 Over the years I’ve had other viewers say they’ve had issues with their comments getting deleted by RUclips. I don’t know why that is? I’ve got my comments selection set to receive all comments as I don’t want RUclips doing any filtering.
I can’t speak to the long term reliability of the ZRS system as I’ve not had it long enough. I really like it so far. I’ve noticed it’s pretty controversial with airgunners. Some guys are excited about it, some are very skeptical and some don’t like it at all. It’s different and innovative and extremely smooth to shoot. The smoothness is what I like best.
Good gun for sure...some of the cheaper guns are the best guns 🤷♂️
@@user-xj3bv1wg8dcyclone This one has been nothing but surprising and certainly an excellent performing gun. 😀👍