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For those that are saying the tr50 less lethal revolver is not a good less lethal defensive weapon , I highly disagree with you. I carry the tr50 on me every single day as a personal defensive weapon. And I have it loaded with devastator rounds. I carry 3 full magazines loaded with this ammo. I recently had to use it against a guy that was charging at me with a knife in his hand. I shot him in the chest with 3 devastator rounds in quick succesion and he dropped the knife and ran away while actually crying. Oh and I have the 11 joule version that shoots between 450 and 470 fps.....
Wow... amazing how you've developed your channel with the camera angles, dramatic music, slow motion views, labeling of objects and you even seem to sweat less lol. I remember when you first started this channel and you've come a long way. Your videos are very entertaining and I want to thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this channel. Congratulations on your 25k subscribers 👏 🙌 Much ❤ and respect 🙏 Again thank you: Yankeerex
Oh man, you leave me without words! Thank you so, so much! And thank you for your support from the beginning! A lot has changed from that small narrow alley on the side of our house, blocked in the middle by that giant AC unit ahahaha! Thank you again so much!!
@alfonso7851 for me I think I prefer the Umarex a little bit more only because it seems easier to upgrade. Now the torpedo revolver may be able to be upgraded but I have yet to see anybody try it.
i am glad you approve and agree with me about that mercury rise. i do wonder if the 20 joules valve from the umarex will fit into the mercury rise, probably. enjoy
Alright mate 👍 gotta be honest was expecting it to be alot closer between them two guns. Gotta give it to the HDR out preformed the mercury in every test . As always keep up the good work 👍
I know right! Me too mate! Gotta give it to Umarex… anyway, let’s see what they’ll come up with next. Both brands. Thank you Stuart, wishing you a great week ahead mate!
Another great video! The comparison between the TRs was perfect, you showed the pros and cons of each gun very clearly. I get what you say about the lack of accuracy; the Mercury seemed better off in that aspect, although the Umarex was a little bit more potent. Loved the SpaghettOs bashing!😂 The intros are always a lot of fun! Great job, Gian!
I find it hilarious that people think these markers won't have an impact 🤣. I've been destroying my ballistic dummy bust with all sorts of markers and airguns and munitions. Very cool video my friend...keep em coming. They are both good markers with great potential 👍👍
Hahaha you still shooting that thing?! He must become a meatball by now! I need to come check out some of your latest work… Thank you as always my fellow Airgun dad, that also spreads science on the Tube
I think it's funny when people who can't own an actual firearm compare these to real weapons. A .22LR is likely more effective, let alone a .380 ACP, .38 SPL, 9mm-you get the point. Well, no, you probably don't 😅😂😅😂😅
I’ve been honing in the daisy slingshots… just for fun… with 1/2 hex nut it can often get through concrete board which is hard stuff. Truth be told sometimes it’s not about that sort of stuff lacking power, it’s about how you use it.
Thanks for making a new video. Your whole presentation and comportment are always enlightening. Disclaimer: This was a Dilettante Presumption Theorem: All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed do not necessarily reflect official positions or views or any other entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying endorsement of interpretations and factual statements.
Another great video! I'd say that the HDR 50 won that one! Also, on gas release I'm sure you know that once the power drops too much to shoot you can pull the trigger a few more times which makes pushing the red button in quite easy. I think that the torpedo revolver loses power because the mag is too long, the round has to travel the length of the mag before entering the barrel so uses more gas to shoot the round thus reducing the launch pressure.
When you talked about Umarex contracting parts for their HDR 50 to this company, it made me think of something else with Umarex. A bit over 2 years ago, they announced the Umarex Primal at ShotShow. It's a 20 gauge air shotgun they market primarily to shoot their proprietary slugs, although they claim it can shoot nearly anything. Well, they made their proprietary slugs available for order, at a whopping $46 for 10. Nearly $5 per shot. I wouldn't have been surprised if all the preorders were cancelled and they ended up cancelling the Primal. But it's still scheduled for release later this month. Well, how this relates. Their proprietary slugs are hardly proprietary. The slugs are actually produced by a US company. They market that slug design for reloading in a number of gauges for shotguns. If you buy from them directly, the slugs come in a box of 25 for $18.
Been watching you for some time now, Just subscribed. Owning and testing the Tr 50 for awhile now with different ammo, I can truly say the stock 11J version I have will hurt and/or potentially take your life is enough, to make me, as a Felon feel more armed if needed depending on the situation. Thank you for making the effort to create videos like this , It has helped me realize how well these launchers can be beneficial in alot of ways besides just Fun.......
Love the backyard range! Kinda resembles the set up I built for my godson for his birthday one year so he can properly train with his airsoft and proper air guns. He does have an archery set too.
Better videos every time, congrats! I think Umarex HAS to improove a lot several aspects but, at the end, the results are clear: concerning the power of destruction... Umarex wins. Salutacions des de Catalunya
Thank you very much Marc and you’re spot on! I much agree, despite everything - the numbers have spoken. Of course if the choice is between an Umarex 7,5 joules and a Torpedo, then I’d absolutely go for the Torpedo. Thank you again amigo!
Knife/gunfight lol. Your buddy that sent me here. A guy with braids and a cool little baby in his vid. Well. He shot a dude right in his tatoo in the leg with a 50 and devastator round. The metal went right in his leg. Bled instantly. Wild how in sunk right in. Not a gun but undoubtedly usefull to serve its purpose plus. Ive watched like ten of your vids so far. I forgot guys name but "thanks for the recommendation to this channel bud "
I’m impressed with how long the co2 held up. Yea the mercury rise is pretty slick. I might have to get that for Xmas. My godson needs some home defense
Man that was awesome! Such an informative video! Thanks for the shout out Gian! Btw with hdr type, its always a good idea to dry fire first before pressing the blow off button.. this can prevent breaking. Thanks again my friend 🤌🤌👌👊
Always a pleasure man! Keep up the good work! Totally agree on the dry firing, I just try not to where I live, to avoid the extra noise for my neighbors, whom are already enduring dozens of shots every time I film 😂
I own an HDR50 which I converted to HPA, longer barel and so on in order to make it a bit more powerfull.... Is this flexibility also possible on the Mercury Rise ?
Towards the end of the video I mention a great channel that can help you with that: “Umarex T4E….” I put the link to his RUclips page in the description of this video. He does incredible stuff on these launchers
Hey man thanks a lot! I really appreciate the upgrades the Torpedo Revolver made on the body: the safety, the better sites the gas release, eymtc. And I’m a huge fan of the enlarged magazine… I don’t know if this means I’m bias - but despite what I think, I always like to let the images speak :) thanks again my friend
I need to see both theseguns shoot the wood and cocunuts with the Zrams if thats possible??? Also i recently startd watching this channel... instantly suscribed and is probably my favorit airgun channel ,thsnx :)
Thank you so much Monsieur Gaston! I spoke to Mercury Rise yesterday and they’re already working on more powerful versions with longer barrels… we’re only at the beginning hahaha!
Good point roger… but I don’t think the issue is with the aim. You can aim perfectly, but often the projectiles take a trajectory of their own anyway hehe
@@AirgunAlley I'm setting up a cardboard box target soon so I can reuse my ammo so will see how accurate it is with the red dot, I guess that without rifling it will be as you say lol Looks great with it fitted and the lamp underneath though! Pity I can't seem to send pictures lol
Well done again my friend. No doubt, you put a lot of time and energy into this. As of now, I just have the Umarex T4E 11joule version, and after watching your comparison's, Ill probably just stick with that because they are so close in most areas. This Mercury Rising company is putting out some really good stuff, so I think theyll be around for awhile. Im looking forward to what they do next. I say all the time, its a great time to be an airgunner because the products are just so good and theres so much to choose from. Glad your ok buddy and thanks again for your work...its appreciated.
You always give excellent comments and inputs George, to not mention your profound kindness. I very much agree with you all around and as always, thank you so much!!! 🙏🏽
@@AirgunAlley thanks for asking , i am having some trouble with a nerve , still suffering daily but what ever doesn't kill me will just make me stronger LOL !!!
Great video as always :-) great comparison! I think after watching this that instead of getting a torpedo gun, I might just get some new barrels for my guns! Thank you for your great work and good videos!
And thank you for your support my old friend!! I just heard from Mercury Rise who’s working on a power tuning kit… things could get interesting again :) shall keep you posted. Thank you again!!
@@AirgunAlley also thank you for setting me up with Caleb over at Airgun Ballistics. Got a hdr50 with an extended barrel and barrel cover and it’s pushing 35j ! Great dude and good customer service.
I saw a video that said the Byrna was 'twitchy' & not 100% reliable; I would go with an Umarex HDR 50. Also there are valves/modifications to give the Umarex more power.
I purchased my T4E-50 three years ago, & am extremely pleased w/ its performance. I don't have it to be a killing weapon. I use mine as a blinding weapon of Gun-Jitsu. Much as I have boxer-pittie rescue dogs that guard my home. I'm not that "I have a firearm" home-defense guy. I do own firearms, but they're not my primary self-defense against would-be criminals. At 10-15' (or less), the T4E is plenty accurate enough to hit the bridge of the nose. Blinding/disorienting the target at least 5 seconds... at which point my dogs have a little somethin' they wanna say about it.
I recently bought an upgraded HDR 50. I like that the Mercury Rising CO2 bump doesn't require the allen key to tighten/loosen. Would that valve would fit onto the Umarex gun?
If you had used let’s sat, a Laser sight and was able to hit the can straight on you would have had very similar results. The first shot hit hard, but the remaining shots clearly (from what we could see in the video) were glancing shot.
I hit a person with with one of those that was attacking someone and they got hit with devastator rounds in the chest dude was high on meth and out of it and the devastator rounds bring him down to his knees
Hello! Yes absolutely, a longer barrel would help with speed and, above all, accuracy. And you can attach any standard laser to the rail under the barrel :)
@@AirgunAlley I've been in touch work mercury rise, regard UK distribution, I've got lots of projectile ideas, but I have trouble mounting my red dot on b my hdr 50,
Bought a HDR 50 times ago, had to tweak it a bit, luminescent paint on the sights to make them usable, new barrel for accuracy and slight power enhancement, restriction valve changed to get close to 18-19 joules, and "devastator" as ammunition of choice. It is now "OK" for non lethal defense up to 10 meters, with two full power 6 rounds barrels for 1 CO² cartridge, I store it with a mix of 3 "devastators" and 3 pepper balls in each barrel.
Awesome review and tests! Looks like the HDR50 is more powerful than the torpedo on your review. I just saw another review where the oppostie occured, the torpedo had a higher FPS than the HDR50.
Please consider reviewing the Mercury Rise MUB 50, my favorite LL weapon right now (though I still usually carry the Byrna LE because of the trigger pierce.
I agree with you. My tuned HDR-50 is not a precision gun. I have the barrel and Cylinder and tuning kit from Home Defense 24 in Germany. I have test my Gun with both Laser and Dot Sight. The down side of tuning are that the Gun use a lot of Gas 15-20 shots, and I have to change the Co2 patron. The upsides are better precision and very hard hits. I mold my own Slugs to save some money. Out of the box the HDR-50 is not a high quality Gun as my other Umarex Guns. My personal favorite gun is the Walter CP-88 it is high Quality and high price, but the Walter will last for a long time with metal parts an no Plastic parts. Thanks for your Interesting Channel for us Air Guns shooters. I am Norwegian, like Rune Rebel. 😏
I just upgraded my tr50 7.5 to the 11 joule.am I supposed to then take out the valve block out of my upgraded 11 joule to get even more power?? I appreciate any knowledge. Thanks
Good question my friend! I think the HDR 68 is decent. Surprisingly the HDS 68 I found to be quite accurate from around 30ft (10m). I just aline my eye with the barrel to aim 😂 But now that I’m also shooting PCP, I’m learning what real accuracy means… hehe
Gracias as always mi hermano from the north! I just heard from Mercury Rise who’s now working on a complete power tuning kit…. Will be interesting to see the results! Stay tuned my friend :)
I agree that it could work in a home defense situation. At close range it would penetrate skin and muscle, and as long as your house is small and you're close, then you've got them. I just wouldn't use it for general self defense while out of the house. However, the Mercury Rise does look like a cool gun and I definitely want one.
It would be great to have something like that, without the grips, that could be mounted under the magazine tube of a shotgun. It would be ideal for dealing with an intruder who doesn't pose a threat to your life, but you don't want to just run away. But you'd have the option of employing lethal force, if warranted.
I take that back on the torpedo about it being pathetic in power it is a little weaker than 11j umarex, but its like10 j on lightest while umarex is like 12+ which both are better that 7.5 j which wont even put crack in coconut.
I just bought one for 3 reasons . First I have plenty of actual pistols , shotguns, and rifles. Second for my job I have come across alot vicious animals this should do the trick without using lethal means. Which leads me to my 3rd a nonlethal platform for when I don't need a lethal option. And while writing this I thought of a 4th , fun . Even if it's not good for anything except training and playing with .😂
You raise a good point. Degassing the Umarexs like that is much the common way, but not sure if it’s the orthodox way. That’s def one thing that the Torpedo revolver got right, I mush say
cool i wasnt sure, , but that makes me wonder why the mercury rise showed as weaker, expescially when they claim to make the umarex parts. hmmm i do like the mercury rise case alot better and that safety, wonder if the internals from the umarex can be put into the mercury rise and or if the weaker energy level is from the different magazine and barrel lineup and how it fits together. haveing the deeper mag would take more air to fill the space and cause somewhat of the less energy output. hope that thinking helps in some way. personally though i gotta stick with my actually lethal 51 cal air guns. and i wish you had that option. wonder if a aea airgun put into a umarex t4e box would get past the customs guys. haha course then you would have an ilegal item and i wouldnt want to put ya in that situation. i do have a modded benjamin trail breakbarrel single shot .25 cal that i cut the barrel down to 10 inches and made the stock a pistol grip . it puts out about 20 f but ias only a single shot and then you gotta break the barrel and reload again so it is slow. but even at 20 fpe it is lethal. fits into a backpack too. haha everything else i have is at least twice as powerful upto 20 times as powerful. what are the exact laws you gotta follow. is a low powered air gun even acceptable there? @@dagger4146
@@AIRGUNZ_MILITIA There are no real restrictions on airguns here as they are not classified as firearms (Florida). On the safety aspect of things, if you live in high density housing there is a great risk of taking out an innocent person with a pass-through shot. There are several people serving lengthy prison sentences for that very reason, even though their intention was not to harm anybody but their intended target. I don't want to be 'that guy'. I have several airguns and this one just adds to the collection, plus it's fun to shoot !
well yeah i know that in florida bro, we have it good here in the states. now on that pass through note i have spent about 2k on making a inpenatrable backstop out of metal and rubber mulch about a foot thick , pretty sure it can stop aything uder 800fpe. and i dont allow firearms shot at it. my back stop is like almost 8ft high and 8 ft wide. and my shooting bench has wire to tell me where the backstop is and aint. believe me , i have been blind a dozen years now and have neighbors all around me and i do not want any of them hurt much less worse. so i am right there with ya. but if it comes down to a real situation, i gotta know what i have available to me will end a threat. even if that threat has a bullet resistant vest on. i stack bags of rubber mulch like sand bags, and have 50 gal trash cans filled with petrified wood and stone. and my own shed behind that filled with old furniture i want to turn to dust. i take the neghborhood safety to very high account. and the local pd is always invited to come point out any flaws in my setup. thanks for the concern . i think sometimes i am the only one in this neghborhood that even thinks of safety, i get people from both ends of my block sending projectiles that pass through the building i sleep in weekly. but i have not been able to catch any of them yet(the projectiles) so my backstop does doubl duty as my personal armor and personal safety. still a projectile going dink dink and telling me that it passed through my building a few feet overhead is troubleing. but the locals wont do anything unless i catch one of the projectiles , so they can run balistics. thanks againe d@@dagger4146
By the way, your dummy with the foam head attached, it has so much neck, it looks kinda like you're shooting a Kaminoan from Star Wars. Interesting thing to use as a target while comparing the HDR-50 to a clone...
Dude...its always a plesure to watch ur videos. Good idea to fix the plates that way. And gratulation to over 25 k subs Mate. Ure on a great way. I cant wait to see u shooting guns like the Huben rifle and Pistol and other great stuff. Thx 4 ur work. Btw...would the pepperballs even explode on soft surface like a thick jacket? Greetings
Marco!! Thanks so much as always for your kindness and support I truly appreciate it!! I guess it depends how fluffy the jacket is hehe I think if you shoot 6 pepperballs at someone wearing a heavy jacket, at least 2 or 3 should open up and disperse. Soft is not a problem, fluffy is more of an issue :)
I spent most of my life in developing nations documenting extreme poverty, conflict and devastation. I was referring to those countries, where there is basically no rule of law. Nothing to do with gun lovin Merica. Hope this helps
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For those that are saying the tr50 less lethal revolver is not a good less lethal defensive weapon , I highly disagree with you. I carry the tr50 on me every single day as a personal defensive weapon. And I have it loaded with devastator rounds. I carry 3 full magazines loaded with this ammo. I recently had to use it against a guy that was charging at me with a knife in his hand. I shot him in the chest with 3 devastator rounds in quick succesion and he dropped the knife and ran away while actually crying. Oh and I have the 11 joule version that shoots between 450 and 470 fps.....
@alfonso7851 I didn't know it could be modified up to a 20 J.
@alfonso7851 ok cool, I was already planning on buying the tr50 mercury torpedo. So that's good to know....
@alfonso7851 I have the Umarex Tr50 at 11 joules.
The new z-ram munition is the best for demage.
@@abcd-dl1qi I have seen the Zraams. I will be ordering a couple boxs of them soon.
Wow... amazing how you've developed your channel with the camera angles, dramatic music, slow motion views, labeling of objects and you even seem to sweat less lol. I remember when you first started this channel and you've come a long way. Your videos are very entertaining and I want to thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this channel. Congratulations on your 25k subscribers 👏 🙌 Much ❤ and respect 🙏
Again thank you: Yankeerex
Oh man, you leave me without words! Thank you so, so much! And thank you for your support from the beginning! A lot has changed from that small narrow alley on the side of our house, blocked in the middle by that giant AC unit ahahaha!
Thank you again so much!!
I have both TRs as well. My accuracy tests at 20 feet have been decent, but not pinpoint. Good enough for shot placement on a human torso,.
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@alfonso7851 for me I think I prefer the Umarex a little bit more only because it seems easier to upgrade. Now the torpedo revolver may be able to be upgraded but I have yet to see anybody try it.
can the TR be modified for mor power like the hdr can?
i am glad you approve and agree with me about that mercury rise.
i do wonder if the 20 joules valve from the umarex will fit into the mercury rise, probably.
enjoy
That’s a great question… check out the Umarex T4E channel I mentioned at the end. If I’m not mistaking Jeff already started opening them up big time 😁
Alright mate 👍 gotta be honest was expecting it to be alot closer between them two guns. Gotta give it to the HDR out preformed the mercury in every test . As always keep up the good work 👍
I know right! Me too mate! Gotta give it to Umarex… anyway, let’s see what they’ll come up with next. Both brands.
Thank you Stuart, wishing you a great week ahead mate!
Another great video! The comparison between the TRs was perfect, you showed the pros and cons of each gun very clearly. I get what you say about the lack of accuracy; the Mercury seemed better off in that aspect, although the Umarex was a little bit more potent. Loved the SpaghettOs bashing!😂
The intros are always a lot of fun! Great job, Gian!
Thank you so much Luiz!! I’m glad you find it so, mission accomplished :)
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I find it hilarious that people think these markers won't have an impact 🤣. I've been destroying my ballistic dummy bust with all sorts of markers and airguns and munitions. Very cool video my friend...keep em coming. They are both good markers with great potential 👍👍
Hahaha you still shooting that thing?! He must become a meatball by now! I need to come check out some of your latest work…
Thank you as always my fellow Airgun dad, that also spreads science on the Tube
I think it's funny when people who can't own an actual firearm compare these to real weapons.
A .22LR is likely more effective, let alone a .380 ACP, .38 SPL, 9mm-you get the point. Well, no, you probably don't 😅😂😅😂😅
I’ve been honing in the daisy slingshots… just for fun… with 1/2 hex nut it can often get through concrete board which is hard stuff. Truth be told sometimes it’s not about that sort of stuff lacking power, it’s about how you use it.
Thanks for making a new video.
Your whole presentation and comportment are always enlightening.
Disclaimer: This was a Dilettante Presumption Theorem: All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed do not necessarily reflect official positions or views or any other entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying endorsement of interpretations and factual statements.
Another great video! I'd say that the HDR 50 won that one!
Also, on gas release I'm sure you know that once the power drops too much to shoot you can pull the trigger a few more times which makes pushing the red button in quite easy.
I think that the torpedo revolver loses power because the mag is too long, the round has to travel the length of the mag before entering the barrel so uses more gas to shoot the round thus reducing the launch pressure.
thank you
When you talked about Umarex contracting parts for their HDR 50 to this company, it made me think of something else with Umarex. A bit over 2 years ago, they announced the Umarex Primal at ShotShow. It's a 20 gauge air shotgun they market primarily to shoot their proprietary slugs, although they claim it can shoot nearly anything. Well, they made their proprietary slugs available for order, at a whopping $46 for 10. Nearly $5 per shot. I wouldn't have been surprised if all the preorders were cancelled and they ended up cancelling the Primal. But it's still scheduled for release later this month.
Well, how this relates. Their proprietary slugs are hardly proprietary. The slugs are actually produced by a US company. They market that slug design for reloading in a number of gauges for shotguns. If you buy from them directly, the slugs come in a box of 25 for $18.
Been watching you for some time now, Just subscribed. Owning and testing the Tr 50 for awhile now with different ammo, I can truly say the stock 11J version I have will hurt and/or potentially take your life is enough, to make me, as a Felon feel more armed if needed depending on the situation. Thank you for making the effort to create videos like this , It has helped me realize how well these launchers can be beneficial in alot of ways besides just Fun.......
Love the backyard range!
Kinda resembles the set up I built for my godson for his birthday one year so he can properly train with his airsoft and proper air guns. He does have an archery set too.
Better videos every time, congrats!
I think Umarex HAS to improove a lot several aspects but, at the end, the results are clear: concerning the power of destruction... Umarex wins.
Salutacions des de Catalunya
Thank you very much Marc and you’re spot on! I much agree, despite everything - the numbers have spoken.
Of course if the choice is between an Umarex 7,5 joules and a Torpedo, then I’d absolutely go for the Torpedo.
Thank you again amigo!
@@AirgunAlley You can release the gas using the valve at the bottom of the handle, no ce bisogno di premere la penna🤙
Knife/gunfight lol.
Your buddy that sent me here. A guy with braids and a cool little baby in his vid. Well. He shot a dude right in his tatoo in the leg with a 50 and devastator round. The metal went right in his leg. Bled instantly. Wild how in sunk right in.
Not a gun but undoubtedly usefull to serve its purpose plus.
Ive watched like ten of your vids so far. I forgot guys name but "thanks for the recommendation to this channel bud "
Great video and testing. Thanks for the shout-out🙏. Cheers from your friend in Norway 😃👍
Thank you for teaching us so much about ariguns Maestro! Have a wonderful week! 🙌🏼
Thank you my friend. Have a wonderful week you also 😃@@AirgunAlley
I’m impressed with how long the co2 held up. Yea the mercury rise is pretty slick. I might have to get that for Xmas. My godson needs some home defense
Get a paintball marker and use glass marbles or steel balls. Get around 600 fps will a glass or steel ball will stop an attacker.
Man that was awesome! Such an informative video! Thanks for the shout out Gian! Btw with hdr type, its always a good idea to dry fire first before pressing the blow off button.. this can prevent breaking. Thanks again my friend 🤌🤌👌👊
Always a pleasure man! Keep up the good work!
Totally agree on the dry firing, I just try not to where I live, to avoid the extra noise for my neighbors, whom are already enduring dozens of shots every time I film 😂
@@AirgunAlley When near the end, no louder than farts...😯
The UmaRex came out with a new release valve. That all you have to do is turn the counterclockwise any releases all the air pressure.
I own an HDR50 which I converted to HPA, longer barel and so on in order to make it a bit more powerfull....
Is this flexibility also possible on the Mercury Rise ?
Towards the end of the video I mention a great channel that can help you with that: “Umarex T4E….” I put the link to his RUclips page in the description of this video. He does incredible stuff on these launchers
Great review, think you were a bit biased on the Yank version, didn't see much difference
on the accuracy stakes but all in all a great video !👍
Hey man thanks a lot! I really appreciate the upgrades the Torpedo Revolver made on the body: the safety, the better sites the gas release, eymtc. And I’m a huge fan of the enlarged magazine… I don’t know if this means I’m bias - but despite what I think, I always like to let the images speak :) thanks again my friend
I need to see both theseguns shoot the wood and cocunuts with the Zrams if thats possible???
Also i recently startd watching this channel... instantly suscribed and is probably my favorit airgun channel ,thsnx :)
I love my Umarex HDR 50, it's a really solid piece. 👍 good videos also, keep up the good work with the channel 🙂
And thank you again!! I really appreciate you 🙏🏽🙌🏼
I'm assuming you've tested it. I'm curious. Is he a really bad shot or is it just that inaccurate?
Excellent comparative video between these two very similar revolvers even if the HDR50 is a little more powerful.
Thank you so much Monsieur Gaston! I spoke to Mercury Rise yesterday and they’re already working on more powerful versions with longer barrels… we’re only at the beginning hahaha!
I've added a red dot sight to mine so sighting is more consistent, maybe you could try one and make a video showing the accuracy with a red dot sight?
Good point roger… but I don’t think the issue is with the aim. You can aim perfectly, but often the projectiles take a trajectory of their own anyway hehe
@@AirgunAlley I'm setting up a cardboard box target soon so I can reuse my ammo so will see how accurate it is with the red dot, I guess that without rifling it will be as you say lol
Looks great with it fitted and the lamp underneath though!
Pity I can't seem to send pictures lol
With my umarex tr50 with the black rubber balls I hit my mail box from my front porch 5 out of six times about 40 yards pretty good for me
Well done again my friend.
No doubt, you put a lot of time and energy into this.
As of now, I just have the Umarex T4E 11joule version, and after watching your comparison's, Ill probably just stick with that because they are so close in most areas.
This Mercury Rising company is putting out some really good stuff, so I think theyll be around for awhile.
Im looking forward to what they do next.
I say all the time, its a great time to be an airgunner because the products are just so good and theres so much to choose from.
Glad your ok buddy and thanks again for your work...its appreciated.
You always give excellent comments and inputs George, to not mention your profound kindness. I very much agree with you all around and as always, thank you so much!!! 🙏🏽
Yup, sticking with my HDR 50.
Thanks for a review ❤
Thank you my friend, it’s my complete pleasure!
Great video. In all tests that I've seen nobody seem to talk about the distance from the target. Was this test from 5 metres or less?
AWESOME SHOW MY BROTHER !!! I REALLY ENJOYED IT !!!
Thank you my Ninja!! Saw you wrote me, haven’t gotten around to open it yet… will do my man. Hope the hip is doing well!
@@AirgunAlley thanks for asking , i am having some trouble with a nerve , still suffering daily but what ever doesn't kill me will just make me stronger LOL !!!
idk ill use it as a self defense but tha is probably cuz im comfortable with a back up gun i love ones tha fire multiple calibers
Good video. Very informative and well presented.
Thank you so much!
Great video as always :-) great comparison! I think after watching this that instead of getting a torpedo gun, I might just get some new barrels for my guns! Thank you for your great work and good videos!
And thank you for your support my old friend!!
I just heard from Mercury Rise who’s working on a power tuning kit… things could get interesting again :) shall keep you posted.
Thank you again!!
Great video! Love how well the channel is doing!
Oh man thank you so much!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@AirgunAlley also thank you for setting me up with Caleb over at Airgun Ballistics. Got a hdr50 with an extended barrel and barrel cover and it’s pushing 35j ! Great dude and good customer service.
Very helpful review! I need to purchase this or a Byrna SD. Which would you recommend?
I saw a video that said the Byrna was 'twitchy' & not 100% reliable; I would go with an Umarex HDR 50. Also there are valves/modifications to give the Umarex more power.
Awesome video man thanks for the shout :)
Absolutely man! Hope you can be a beacon for all those lost souls looking for upgrades 🙌🏼
I purchased my T4E-50 three years ago, & am extremely pleased w/ its performance. I don't have it to be a killing weapon. I use mine as a blinding weapon of Gun-Jitsu. Much as I have boxer-pittie rescue dogs that guard my home. I'm not that "I have a firearm" home-defense guy. I do own firearms, but they're not my primary self-defense against would-be criminals. At 10-15' (or less), the T4E is plenty accurate enough to hit the bridge of the nose. Blinding/disorienting the target at least 5 seconds... at which point my dogs have a little somethin' they wanna say about it.
Do they make a pellet pistol with the pellet part of the gas. Like powder is to a bullet.
I recently bought an upgraded HDR 50. I like that the Mercury Rising CO2 bump doesn't require the allen key to tighten/loosen. Would that valve would fit onto the Umarex gun?
Dude these things are so much fun my brother and i have shoot outs all the time. Only head shots. Its a blast!
I see what you are doing here. I’m personally not laughing and anyone reading should absolutely avoid doing the stuff this person claims he does
Buen informe amigo cortito y conciso, excelente
Muchas gracias Mariano!!! 🙌🏼🙏🏽
If you had used let’s sat, a Laser sight and was able to hit the can straight on you would have had very similar results. The first shot hit hard, but the remaining shots clearly (from what we could see in the video) were glancing shot.
THANKS FOR THE HUMOR MY MAN !!!!!
Haha thank you for watching!!!
I hit a person with with one of those that was attacking someone and they got hit with devastator rounds in the chest dude was high on meth and out of it and the devastator rounds bring him down to his knees
Thanks so much for this testimony! It answers a lot of questions that I get. I hope many will read it 🙏🏽
Caleb- Airgun Ballistics (modifications)
You do the best reviews thank you
Oh man! Thank you so much!! I really appreciate it 🙏🏽
Since you don't want to modify, will you diesel your pellets/slugs? Or do you count that as a modification?
Really great review man!
Thank you so much! Truly appreciated
I want to know the bb calibre. It's only a .50 cal because of what amounts to a thick plastic sabot. Is the bb a .25?
Hey guys, forgive my ignorance, but how would one connect a red dot sight onto the rails on each, and would a longer barrel with shroud help?
Hello! Yes absolutely, a longer barrel would help with speed and, above all, accuracy. And you can attach any standard laser to the rail under the barrel :)
@@AirgunAlley I've been in touch work mercury rise, regard UK distribution, I've got lots of projectile ideas, but I have trouble mounting my red dot on b my hdr 50,
Ps like your delivery,
Bought a HDR 50 times ago, had to tweak it a bit, luminescent paint on the sights to make them usable, new barrel for accuracy and slight power enhancement, restriction valve changed to get close to 18-19 joules, and "devastator" as ammunition of choice.
It is now "OK" for non lethal defense up to 10 meters, with two full power 6 rounds barrels for 1 CO² cartridge, I store it with a mix of 3 "devastators" and 3 pepper balls in each barrel.
Awesome review and tests! Looks like the HDR50 is more powerful than the torpedo on your review. I just saw another review where the oppostie occured, the torpedo had a higher FPS than the HDR50.
Natural variance in production tolerances. So you can't choose on speed unless you try the guns first.
Is the Umarex TP50 better with accuracy ?
Please consider reviewing the Mercury Rise MUB 50, my favorite LL weapon right now (though I still usually carry the Byrna LE because of the trigger pierce.
I think you should have used the pointed ones for th coconut as well.
Excelente teste 👍🏻👍🏻
Muchas gracias!!!
I agree with you. My tuned HDR-50 is not a precision gun. I have the barrel and Cylinder and tuning kit from Home Defense 24 in Germany. I have test my Gun with both Laser and Dot Sight. The down side of tuning are that the Gun use a lot of Gas 15-20 shots, and I have to change the Co2 patron. The upsides are better precision and very hard hits. I mold my own Slugs to save some money. Out of the box the HDR-50 is not a high quality Gun as my other Umarex Guns. My personal favorite gun is the Walter CP-88 it is high Quality and high price, but the Walter will last for a long time with metal parts an no Plastic parts. Thanks for your Interesting Channel for us Air Guns shooters. I am Norwegian, like Rune Rebel. 😏
Hello my friend!! Thank you so much and very well said!! W Norway!! 🙌🏼
I just upgraded my tr50 7.5 to the 11 joule.am I supposed to then take out the valve block out of my upgraded 11 joule to get even more power?? I appreciate any knowledge. Thanks
What is the most accurate T4E that youve found?
Good question my friend! I think the HDR 68 is decent. Surprisingly the HDS 68 I found to be quite accurate from around 30ft (10m). I just aline my eye with the barrel to aim 😂
But now that I’m also shooting PCP, I’m learning what real accuracy means… hehe
I love my first hdx 68 rifle. Wow the power! I was surprised about how loud the rifle was. Yes, unhealthy food can be a great option as targets
Which version did you get, the 40 joules??
@@AirgunAlley the first one . She is great also😌😮💨😎 ruclips.net/video/HHwPImLat-U/видео.htmlsi=t0BrlqiVIi4uLXWp
@@AirgunAlley the one with 7.5 joules
What size backpack do you need to carry one of these?
I think any medium sized woman’s purse would easily carry these :)
Or there are great holsters made for them
The T4E HDR50 11J is very accurate at 20yds.(60ft.) w/3.8g aluminum balls.
Good job ! Enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much Jeff! Glad you like them!
rune rebel and the t4e channel cannot be found, bad link, but calebs works fine.
Thank you so much for this!!! I just fixed it. Really appreciated my friend
On the z, Rams, how many is in a package
I have a 25 Joule Umarex and I love 💗
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As always great video brother you know I am a HDR guy. The Mercury Rise looks cool and have great features but lack some power.
Gracias as always mi hermano from the north! I just heard from Mercury Rise who’s now working on a complete power tuning kit…. Will be interesting to see the results! Stay tuned my friend :)
I agree that it could work in a home defense situation. At close range it would penetrate skin and muscle, and as long as your house is small and you're close, then you've got them. I just wouldn't use it for general self defense while out of the house. However, the Mercury Rise does look like a cool gun and I definitely want one.
How much is the gun I want to buy one
Question... wouldn't it suffice for close encounters? Someone on your porch is still on the outside of your home..
Hi thank you for this conclusive test I prefer umarex and did you try to pierce the valve on an hdp? The results are bluffing 😉
Would you review a Grimburg Gavel?¿?¿?
Soon I hope!! :)
For this one, I've been waiting.
Hehe! Glad I finally got around making it. Hope it was satisfying…
Tanks for your test umarex win the battle it is more strong 💪
I have the 11 Jules version and I remove the valve block I'm getting about 500 FPS
witch one should i get the 68 revolver long knoes or the Umarex T4E TR50
It would be great to have something like that, without the grips, that could be mounted under the magazine tube of a shotgun. It would be ideal for dealing with an intruder who doesn't pose a threat to your life, but you don't want to just run away. But you'd have the option of employing lethal force, if warranted.
the HDR ha one minus, the open sights, on the HDP they are far better
Those Z-Rams look like fun 🙂
Another Fantastic Video, great details and testing! I learned a lot! Thank You So Much!
Glad it was helpful! And thank YOU!!
Very informative
Thank you!! I’m happy it could help :)
I take that back on the torpedo about it being pathetic in power it is a little weaker than 11j umarex, but its like10 j on lightest while umarex is like 12+ which both are better that 7.5 j which wont even put crack in coconut.
I just bought one for 3 reasons .
First I have plenty of actual pistols , shotguns, and rifles.
Second for my job I have come across alot vicious animals this should do the trick without using lethal means. Which leads me to my
3rd a nonlethal platform for when I don't need a lethal option. And while writing this I thought of a 4th , fun . Even if it's not good for anything except training and playing with .😂
That was really interesting to watch you. I have subscribed 😊
synthetic grease blob on end of co2 before install works better, less messy
Why can't they make a 24 gram co 2 . Cartridge. ?? Or install co2 rechargeable tube in the pistol grip?? Just saying. Though I like the Mercury..
I like airguns, but i'd rather take a crossbow or bow for home defense
Rico Suave is pretty cool. "Meet my little friend" ...
In every other test I have seen the Mercury Rise is more powerful. Because it has no restrictor valve. They are usually 12 to 14 jewels out of the box
Ineresting on the degassing technique I emailed Air guns Canada and Umerex and both said there was no way to degas
You raise a good point. Degassing the Umarexs like that is much the common way, but not sure if it’s the orthodox way. That’s def one thing that the Torpedo revolver got right, I mush say
@AirgunAlley at the time, all I knew was to dry fire to empty c02
is that the umarex that has all the mods?
i am sure you will enjoy doing all those mods on the mercury rise also.
It's the stock 11J version. I have one and no desire to mod it. Packs plenty of punch as it sits.
cool i wasnt sure, , but that makes me wonder why the mercury rise showed as weaker, expescially when they claim to make the umarex parts. hmmm i do like the mercury rise case alot better and that safety, wonder if the internals from the umarex can be put into the mercury rise and or if the weaker energy level is from the different magazine and barrel lineup and how it fits together.
haveing the deeper mag would take more air to fill the space and cause somewhat of the less energy output.
hope that thinking helps in some way.
personally though i gotta stick with my actually lethal 51 cal air guns. and i wish you had that option.
wonder if a aea airgun put into a umarex t4e box would get past the customs guys. haha course then you would have an ilegal item and i wouldnt want to put ya in that situation.
i do have a modded benjamin trail breakbarrel single shot .25 cal that i cut the barrel down to 10 inches and made the stock a pistol grip . it puts out about 20 f but ias only a single shot and then you gotta break the barrel and reload again so it is slow.
but even at 20 fpe it is lethal. fits into a backpack too. haha everything else i have is at least twice as powerful upto 20 times as powerful.
what are the exact laws you gotta follow. is a low powered air gun even acceptable there? @@dagger4146
@@AIRGUNZ_MILITIA There are no real restrictions on airguns here as they are not classified as firearms (Florida). On the safety aspect of things, if you live in high density housing there is a great risk of taking out an innocent person with a pass-through shot. There are several people serving lengthy prison sentences for that very reason, even though their intention was not to harm anybody but their intended target. I don't want to be 'that guy'. I have several airguns and this one just adds to the collection, plus it's fun to shoot !
well yeah i know that in florida bro, we have it good here in the states.
now on that pass through note i have spent about 2k on making a inpenatrable backstop out of metal and rubber mulch about a foot thick , pretty sure it can stop aything uder 800fpe. and i dont allow firearms shot at it.
my back stop is like almost 8ft high and 8 ft wide. and my shooting bench has wire to tell me where the backstop is and aint.
believe me , i have been blind a dozen years now and have neighbors all around me and i do not want any of them hurt much less worse.
so i am right there with ya.
but if it comes down to a real situation, i gotta know what i have available to me will end a threat.
even if that threat has a bullet resistant vest on.
i stack bags of rubber mulch like sand bags, and have 50 gal trash cans filled with petrified wood and stone. and my own shed behind that filled with old furniture i want to turn to dust.
i take the neghborhood safety to very high account. and the local pd is always invited to come point out any flaws in my setup.
thanks for the concern . i think sometimes i am the only one in this neghborhood that even thinks of safety, i get people from both ends of my block sending projectiles that pass through the building i sleep in weekly. but i have not been able to catch any of them yet(the projectiles)
so my backstop does doubl duty as my personal armor and personal safety. still a projectile going dink dink and telling me that it passed through my building a few feet overhead is troubleing.
but the locals wont do anything unless i catch one of the projectiles , so they can run balistics.
thanks againe d@@dagger4146
@@AIRGUNZ_MILITIA Yikes !!!
Merci pour les quelques mots en français que tu mets dans tes vidéos 👍👍👍
Hahahab de rien mon amie! I figured, since Umarex is largely French - to use a French voice :) 🙏🏽🙏🏽
HDR 😎👍
By the way, your dummy with the foam head attached, it has so much neck, it looks kinda like you're shooting a Kaminoan from Star Wars. Interesting thing to use as a target while comparing the HDR-50 to a clone...
i can attest to their customer service . it is very good . wish i can upgrade soon .!!!!
Thanks so much for that! Very important input. Thank you!
slap a small red dot on that and that thing is epic
Dude...its always a plesure to watch ur videos. Good idea to fix the plates that way. And gratulation to over 25 k subs Mate. Ure on a great way. I cant wait to see u shooting guns like the Huben rifle and Pistol and other great stuff. Thx 4 ur work. Btw...would the pepperballs even explode on soft surface like a thick jacket? Greetings
Marco!! Thanks so much as always for your kindness and support I truly appreciate it!!
I guess it depends how fluffy the jacket is hehe
I think if you shoot 6 pepperballs at someone wearing a heavy jacket, at least 2 or 3 should open up and disperse. Soft is not a problem, fluffy is more of an issue :)
Can I please get an explanation for why I am not civilized for carrying/owning firearms??
Just curious, maybe we can discuss this further 🤔
I spent most of my life in developing nations documenting extreme poverty, conflict and devastation. I was referring to those countries, where there is basically no rule of law.
Nothing to do with gun lovin Merica. Hope this helps
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW MANY EFFECTIVE SHOTS PER CO2 FOR GUNS YOU TEST ?????????????