3 simple tips learned about 60 years ago. Work on a soft white cloth (keeps parts from rolling away), fold cloth over work piece if danger of springs flying about, never try to catch a small screw / part - you may knock it far away - just watch where it goes.
In regards to HDR .50 power upgrades this is the most valuable/helpful video on RUclips. You should edit the title to include "valve removal" because it took me a long time to find this video (among all that I have downloaded) to remember which one talked us through "removing the valve block." Keep manning your post and providing this most valuable service. Michael in San Francisco.
You boast because you think you live somewhere cool. Don't you, Mister San Fran Temazipan man. Well, gargle my gherkin, I'm from L.A.... Little Altcar., Merseyside . Look where you leap, mate.....
Hi, thank you for posting the video, I’m struggling with getting the screws out, there quite small and the screws can easily round off when I try to get them out, any thoughts on what screwdriver works well?
First of all, I really want to thank you for putting this video up. 1 point of difference though, I think the firing pin should be secured with threadLocker. There is a tremendous amount of force on those threads, and they will loosen over time and potentially become damaged from the vibrations. Not using thread locker will risk the long-term integrity of the part.
wow that thing is asuch a farce.. mt bloody paintball gun is a bigger profectile cranked to 8.6 pounds,, has 250 rounds....and is full auot,,,, you got 6 shots.... pffff, og ps my gun was CHEAPER at $260... lol can just imagine how much more affective 12 pepper balls a second would be........ lol choke! bitch
When I started pistol shooting in 1979, 50 rounds of factory 0.45 ACP was £20. That was a weeks wages, I quickly learned to cast my own heads and reload ammunition. HDR 50 is not expensive.
*Congratulations friend, thanks for the video. Here in BRAZIL we are forced to go through endless bureaucracy to have a firearm to protect ourselves and we are resorting to this type of "weapons" but I am happy that there is the possibility of improving it.*
Hi Dog. Nicely done. What I find very very good is to keep the stock barrel and buy chrome steel balls 12.7mm 8.3g. But you need to tune the magazines. The power is brill. And because the stock barrel is just right for the balls, great accuracy at 10-15 yards. If you like a certain ammo, tune the magazine chambers to that ammo. It makes a hell of a difference. And save £100. So "Heavy Metal" not different size "grippy plastic/silicon". Can send you an example.
@@bucks09 Hi mate. Just make a sandpaper cigar and lightly sandpaper the chambers so that the balls feed in from the front. Just a light press fit. Snugg not tight. Enjoy.
Only thing left now is to upgrade to an aluminium trommel. Another 3-5 joules as an estimation of gain. And, a squirt of the ole sillycoonspray never hurts lol. Good video Andy, and your right about that little trigger spring, they don't half fly. Lost mine during the 'fettling' and came up with a novel solution. Metal guitar string, wound into a spring shape, works a treat.
@@jimithesaintkl hello Jimi, if i recall correctly it was either the bottom e or the one above it. Took a few goes to get it right length,and try using a drill bit to wind the coil. I think it has made the action a little smoother. 36/46 gauge.
Good steady upgrade Ben - not something that should be rushed with all those 'lively' springs involved 🤣🤣 nice result. Thanks for taking the time to film it all, I know it takes much, much longer than the end video length to produce this 😉💥
Thanks for the video! After an accident I am at home the next time and so I decidet to buy a HDR50 and a power kit, the tuning barrel arrives the next days and than I ll install the parts. Your video was the last I want to know before to start the job. Specially to left the pin which is glued was in my thoughts the biggest problem, a burner could be an option 👍 I hope everything will work fine and than I ll have some fun with the gun and maybe for homedefense too 😉
Nice job, thanks. I'm late to this new game. I had wish that you'd have kept using the smaller weight ammo so a metric was established with only the upgrade being different.
I should have watched this video till the very end! I bought the tuning barrel without watching any videos on it., I have a HDR.50. The tuning barrel I received was for HDP.50 ...Company mistake but the Pistol barrel and the revolver barrel are very different. But the pistol barrel will work if played with in the revolver!
Thanks buddy! Good info! You could now put a HPA adapter on and use a 13c tank! I bet the joules would increase a lot more! And wouldn’t be affected by weather conditions.
I remember my dad buying me all kinds of mechanical toys ( electric cars, trains etc. ) and after a few days he would find them in pieces and question me, what happened to the toys? My response would always be, " I got tired of playing with them and so I decided to take them apart to see what made them work ".
A slight sugestion. Here at Ramstein AFB we use Tetra Gun (not an endorsement, I just have some at hand) fluoropolyner grease and with your thump if you evenly coat the sliding surfaces of the barrel and action (not the trigger assembly) evenly and lightly not only will your TDR50 cycle like velvet but you may obtain an additional 0.5~1.0 joules and a few extra MPS average velocity due to the extra gas sealing. Don't worry about cold thickening as this grease has a working range of -73°C to 398°C (-100°F to 750°F). Any fluoropolymer of this type will do with the same temperature range and thickness and they also work great on pew-pew and real steel slides also. Use less thick lubricants on finer areas as these greases tend not to migrate into tight areas. With new guns if Glock copper factory grease is used first for about 500 rounds then the other with standard use any wear in the future will be very minimal. But beware, Glock Copper makes a horrible mess so use it very sparingly. Unless of course you want everything around you to be copper colored. We do this with both our pew-pew's and real steel's at Ramstein-Meisenbach AFB and rarely if ever have we had a seizure due to wear. Lack of lube is a different matter. And always remember! "Once the bullet leaves the barrel there's no calling it back!". 👉🤪💨 To the Honor of my Ancestors, Capt. Tamre' Colby USAFE/NATO CAS/AS
@@slaughterx8934 Sure, I'm already gone. I'm in Norway now. Are you happy you boneheaded twit? Look you Ruskie troll, quit attacking other nations and there wouldn't be a need for NATO. You want NATO to leave you alone then you leave the world alone. You pathetic little Putin puppet.
@@onazram1 Thanks f marz! It's always a pleasure to have someone's compliment. I just hope I haven't lost the Edge when I get home. LOL! Ta! Ta! Tamre' (Edit: Ouch! That was a bad joke, I fly an Edge 540, sorry... 🤪👍)
umarex recommends to put 1 drop of RWS silicone oil on the tip of every co2 canister... RWS silicone oil is very expensive, can I use something alternative, what is your opinion of this
Looking back I see my statement was rather vague. What I meant was, can I use alternative brands of silicone oil or must it be only umarex brand RWS for umarex t4e, is RWS simply a marketing gimmick?
just an idea, when you pull the metal parts apart, you could do it inside a bag, just so you dont have springs flying all over. -i have done so when modifying airsoft guns. liked you video, cheers mate :)
So just removing the valve block on the 11 Joules version would probably make some difference but Awsome Video and I see the difference with the tuning barrel
Hello, have you ever had any issues with a Umarex weapon/shotgun/revolver? On Amazon, I read that some people experienced the weapon exploding, with the CO2 bursting out. Best regards, Lars
You need a Vice, my friend! even just a small one from Amazon, its not a man shop until you have a vice! Good job, I am going to do mine next thanks for showing everyone
I do have a vice, just waiting to sort my workbench out, the materials of which are being used as a platform for building the block wall at the back of the garage.
Am I missing something ? The "7.5 Joule" (which I've just ordered) shoots at 3.5J out of the box ? - less than 1/2 advertised power ?? That's shocking! I know different ammo gets different efficiencies, but that seems like grounds to send the thing back!
It’s very rare to really get out the advertised power on whatsoever airguns… Worst I’ve encountered was the SIG MCX CO2 pellet sprayer* (*because so inaccurate), It’s bragged a 12joules, but, on a hot summer day, just measured 5.8 J… And I bought even two of them, both the same, so I didn’t just get a lemon to be sent back !…
heat effects c02 quite a lot, warmer days more power, colder days less power. high pressure air conversions fix the problem but that's a whole other ball-ache to mod the the gun to work with a different power source.
well produced. thanks. what about the torpedo by mercury rise? is it any good? are there kits for it? much to learn, and don't know where the discussions take place. any advice from anyone who can refer me.
Thanks for the videos I see how expensive it is to shot this ammo but I do reuse them and shot at target that does not damage the ammo. Why not try this?
me 2, i also use them again if not damaged. but the main use of this gun, is not to target shoot for fun, but defense, so the cost of ammo is not a factor imo. cheers :)
It sucks that we can't get tuning barrels in Greece. But what are they other than an extra cm. of threads? A smoother bore? A snugger bore that saves on leakage?
@@Maddogairguns Thank you. Since that's the case, it shouldn't be hard to have one machined at any shop. Come to think of it, it'll probably be cheaper too, eliminating shipping costs.
Really useful video..of course be interesting to know the difference just the tuning barrel makes on its own in the 7,5 joule..if you get the time lol ..great vid!
Great video content- keep it up! Hey what exact ammo were you using both them if you don't mind. Ive got the same thing fully done... Love to hear the comparison.... Thanks brother!
Hello! Thanks for your amazing videos. I have a question that I cannot solve. I want to buy Umarex HDR 50 11 joules for home protection. But I want to make this revolver more powerful. I watched a lot of videos, but I didn’t fully understand which of the options for increasing power is the most optimal? A revolver is needed specifically for home defense, and not for training or entertainment. I beg you, tell me a real way to increase the power of HDR 50.
I would suggest a 38 Special revolver then? If you already live somewhere where these high powered air guns are legal, a real gun should not be a problem?
most places where airguns have no limit and only require you to be 18 to buy them have severe restrictions on real firearms, you may be able to buy them with a "sports" use permit, but a carry permit is difficult or impossible, carrying an airgun even would also for a defensive purpose be illegal in most places! and although you are allowed to defend yourself, doing so even in your home with a legally owned firearm you need to be extremely careful to not end up serving a long prison sentence for it, your really need to be facing certain death and be able to prove it! your word that someone came at you with a knife might not cut it, actual stab wounds might be required to convince a court of law! a non lethal option might be better if it is capable of actually stopping someone but either way it will be a gamble! of course different countries have slight variations... imo a fully automatic high round pr second hpa driven bb gun with a 1000 round plus magazine might also be better for stopping an intruder than a 6 shot paintball gun... regular 68 cal paintball guns on a field are around 13 joules, so even if you double that you just might make an intruder really angry with 6 shots. a steady continuous stream of a 1000 plus 0.177 steel bbs to the face i think would be a better deterrent! but if you absolutely want this revolver then a 13c hpa tank conversion using 12.7 mm steel ballbearing balls would probably give the best result... hpa can easily be tuned to much higher pressure than co2, but then might become lethal at some point if you hit someone in the right/wrong place. edit: there is also the hdr68, a 16 joule 68cal 5 shot version. but i assume they are the same gun as the 50cal 6 shot 11 joule with just a bigger bore and the same potential for tuning and power. and im not sure but i think the 50cal might "hurt" more as the projectile travels faster and impacts on a smaller area, assuming they can be tuned to the same joule...
@@ralphbooger4756 not allowed to defend your own family or self? that is insane, good ol'AR-15 in 50Beowolf and the bad guy can not testify against you
Thank you for this test Mad dog. Much appreciated. Is there some way you could diesel the ammo such as add vaseline to diabolo type of ammo like devastators? Would be very interesting to se if you get any effect and if so, by how much.
Hi Ben, can you do a video where you compare the modified 11j against this modified 7.5j? Doesn't seem to be much, if any difference from this test. It would be interesting to see them compared apples for apples. Many thanks
Amico fratello inglese ciao io sn italiano e ti seguo da tempo ormai .. anch'io ho 2 HDR 50 umarex,. 1 da 11joule ed 1 da 7.5 joule e sono ottime armi da difesa nelle corte distanze. Perle distanze più lunghe ti consiglio la pistola urticante più potente di mondo la jpx jet protector piexon svizzera, con colpi all impatto a 685km/h 😮😮 credimi una vera e propria potenza garantisco io che sono guardia giurata italiana!!😊😊 ... Ciao my brother
@@Maddogairgunsthat's considered a firearm? Poor bastard. I was just in France for two weeks. I wouldn't want anything less than 9x19 for defense. Not a children's toy.
Hello... Congratulations for the well detailed videos... I wanted to ask you a question, to increase the power, is it sufficient to remove the reduction in the valve, or is it essential to assemble the kit they sell online?
@@Seabass1206 Thank you very much for the reply...so you don't even need the pin that goes into the three hole valve? But what diameter should the piece of the co2 can have? Can you please give me some clear measurements? Or a link where they show this?
@@williamtabare8376 i would recommend starting at 1mm diameter 1.5mm max, the pin really doesn’t do too much and quite honestly the valve extension not so much either. if you want max power you need to run hpa and then you can remove the co2 restrictor disk completely and have it wide open
So this is very interesting i bought a gen 1 and a gen2 hDr50 and TR50 both dont hae any type of valve up the co2 chamber? so do the upgrade kit just push up there?
The kit has a pin and a CO2 restrictor disc. If you don't have a restricted disc you need one. The Gen2 HDP50 is 17-20 J out of the box, no upgrade parts needed😊
With PCP I mean the Dutch meaning which is: pressurized air guns with either a co2 or oxygen bottle (not talking 12 or 88g here but more 15 kgs and more) or a pump to take it to the Maxxxxx....
Many thanks for this, I'm down grading from .357 mag to air comprime, I'm also in France I would like to buy off the shelf ready to go, up to 20j is legal here, can you suggest a source pls, thanks in advance, goog info vid.
Sorry, I don't know of anywhere in France that sells 20 joules off the shelf, but I have got all mine from here and tuned them myself: www.toro-distribution.com/
Does that mean the 7.5j version with its powerkit, is the better buy as it carries more power than the 11j version with its part removed in your other video?
I think that was a myth flying about at one time, that a modded 7.5joule version would put out more power than the 11 joule. I have modded both and they come out pretty much the same.
@@Maddogairgunsthanks bruh, I'll watch your mod of the 11 joule video. If you could point me in that direction that would be great. I guess im concerned that i wont be able to shoot with pepperballs if i remove the block in my 11 j version
There are a few videos where I mod the 11 joule version, as I didn't do all the mods at the same time, with this video I did all the mods in one video, only difference with the 7.5joule version, is that you have to insert a disc into the CO2 chamber, the rest is exactly the same.
I might just go for the 11j version. Yes, it is more expensive, but with my hands containing 5 thumbs each, I know I will screw it up. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea if you have the 7.5j version, and you do make the change look easy, but, going back to my hands of thumbs, easy or not, it will be a big challenge for me. Besides, increasing the joules by that much, and I'm only guessing here, it could change it from a non-lethal gun to a lethal gun. For those of us who don't want to kill an intruder and face court time, it might be best not to do the conversion. Just saying. Great video.
If you get the 11 joules version, you can just remove the valve block restriction for an extra 3-4joules. That is really easy, no need to mess with the springs in the trigger mechanism. Just split the case, take out the block and put i back together again.
ruclips.net/video/UYOBz4avQ14/видео.html This is about 13J+ Hdr 50,stopping power still insufficient. So you need this for home defend，you must use pepper ball.
It's making good power with these upgrades.
Ah I thought that All guns are banned
@@DanielBrosman08211986 band where in good old England 🤣🤣🤣🤣😄😄
How many shots per co2 cartridge are you getting now with all of these mods in place?
@@samfletcher93 Normaly goes back to 7.5 joule after 5-7 clips, so 5-7x6
I do not understand why it is saying 9 joules extra at the beginning of the chrono test. Are you saying that the stock one only outputs 3 joules? Lol
3 simple tips learned about 60 years ago. Work on a soft white cloth (keeps parts from rolling away), fold cloth over work piece if danger of springs flying about, never try to catch a small screw / part - you may knock it far away - just watch where it goes.
I have actual gun cloths so there all yellowish brown but I agree with everything you said
Wow I’m about to do this upgrade thanks for the advice!
I was taught that from experience lol
but in Swiss the normal version has 11 joule, no need for that??
Lol very 👍 nice!
In regards to HDR .50 power upgrades this is the most valuable/helpful video on RUclips. You should edit the title to include "valve removal" because it took me a long time to find this video (among all that I have downloaded) to remember which one talked us through "removing the valve block."
Keep manning your post and providing this most valuable service. Michael in San Francisco.
You boast because you think you live somewhere cool.
Don't you, Mister San Fran Temazipan man.
Well, gargle my gherkin, I'm from L.A.... Little Altcar., Merseyside .
Look where you leap, mate.....
@@godsrighthandfull well I'm from Horseshoe Bend, so la di da! 🤪
@@vimanaboy im from Tewkesbury so boo yaaa
Hi, thank you for posting the video, I’m struggling with getting the screws out, there quite small and the screws can easily round off when I try to get them out, any thoughts on what screwdriver works well?
First of all, I really want to thank you for putting this video up. 1 point of difference though, I think the firing pin should be secured with threadLocker. There is a tremendous amount of force on those threads, and they will loosen over time and potentially become damaged from the vibrations. Not using thread locker will risk the long-term integrity of the part.
Thanks very much for taking the trouble to break down the results for the different stages,very informative.
By far the best tutorial on the 7.5 J upgrade! Thanks!!
Hey, can i ask you where you got your upgrade kit?
@@narayankirk2036it’s from home defense 24 bro it’s a German website i think
wow that thing is asuch a farce.. mt bloody paintball gun is a bigger profectile cranked to 8.6 pounds,, has 250 rounds....and is full auot,,,, you got 6 shots.... pffff,
og ps my gun was CHEAPER at $260... lol can just imagine how much more affective 12 pepper balls a second would be........ lol choke! bitch
was it not like 16/19J in the end on the meter?
Danke!
Damn it looks so easy when you do it. I've done stuff like this before. But the springs makes me paranoid. Great video and informative!
When I started pistol shooting in 1979, 50 rounds of factory 0.45 ACP was £20. That was a weeks wages, I quickly learned to cast my own heads and reload ammunition. HDR 50 is not expensive.
*Congratulations friend, thanks for the video. Here in BRAZIL we are forced to go through endless bureaucracy to have a firearm to protect ourselves and we are resorting to this type of "weapons" but I am happy that there is the possibility of improving it.*
In Germany its the same😢❤
Amigo, conseguiu importar a devastator?
Nossos governantes nos odeiam.
@@rodrigojose2096 eu tbm queria saber se vale a pena
Would you rather be illegally alive or legally dead
@@Luke-h9e good one AHA
Hi Dog. Nicely done. What I find very very good is to keep the stock barrel and buy chrome steel balls 12.7mm 8.3g. But you need to tune the magazines. The power is brill. And because the stock barrel is just right for the balls, great accuracy at 10-15 yards. If you like a certain ammo, tune the magazine chambers to that ammo. It makes a hell of a difference. And save £100. So "Heavy Metal" not different size "grippy plastic/silicon". Can send you an example.
Hey Jeff, what do you mean by tune the magazine?
Many thanks
@@bucks09 Hi mate. Just make a sandpaper cigar and lightly sandpaper the chambers so that the balls feed in from the front. Just a light press fit. Snugg not tight. Enjoy.
@@jeffsmith50001 understood. Thanks Jeff👌
Its 500 for 30 quid ish. sorry. Still good.
Only thing left now is to upgrade to an aluminium trommel.
Another 3-5 joules as an estimation of gain. And, a squirt of the ole sillycoonspray never hurts lol.
Good video Andy, and your right about that little trigger spring, they don't half fly. Lost mine during the 'fettling' and came up with a novel solution. Metal guitar string, wound into a spring shape, works a treat.
what gauge please?
@@jimithesaintkl hello Jimi, if i recall correctly it was either the bottom e or the one above it.
Took a few goes to get it right length,and try using a drill bit to wind the coil. I think it has made the action a little smoother. 36/46 gauge.
@@danceswithbadgers4024 I bet those shots really sing! lol
The spring from a retractable pen is the perfect size.
This reminds me of raking my first remote control car apart. The more you watch the more you think he will not get this back together!
Good steady upgrade Ben - not something that should be rushed with all those 'lively' springs involved 🤣🤣 nice result. Thanks for taking the time to film it all, I know it takes much, much longer than the end video length to produce this 😉💥
Thanks for the video! After an accident I am at home the next time and so I decidet to buy a HDR50 and a power kit, the tuning barrel arrives the next days and than I ll install the parts. Your video was the last I want to know before to start the job. Specially to left the pin which is glued was in my thoughts the biggest problem, a burner could be an option 👍 I hope everything will work fine and than I ll have some fun with the gun and maybe for homedefense too 😉
Nice job, thanks. I'm late to this new game. I had wish that you'd have kept using the smaller weight ammo so a metric was established with only the upgrade being different.
I should have watched this video till the very end! I bought the tuning barrel without watching any videos on it., I have a HDR.50. The tuning barrel I received was for HDP.50 ...Company mistake but the Pistol barrel and the revolver barrel are very different. But the pistol barrel will work if played with in the revolver!
Nice video Ben. In warmer weather you will get closer to 30 joule 😃
Sinceramente un gran trabajo muchas gracias amigo, ahí va una cerveza.
Thanks buddy! Good info! You could now put a HPA adapter on and use a 13c tank! I bet the joules would increase a lot more! And wouldn’t be affected by weather conditions.
In an upcoming video, I have the adapter and bottle, so will give it a go.
Yes HDR50/TR50 can go "beyond multiverse" with hpa. Extremely powerful with hpa. Not only that, much cheaper to shoot with hpa and hand pump.
You a genius sir,great video
I remember my dad buying me all kinds of mechanical toys ( electric cars, trains etc. ) and after a few days he would find them in pieces and question me, what happened to the toys? My response would always be, " I got tired of playing with them and so I decided to take them apart to see what made them work ".
me too
A slight sugestion. Here at Ramstein AFB we use Tetra Gun (not an endorsement, I just have some at hand) fluoropolyner grease and with your thump if you evenly coat the sliding surfaces of the barrel and action (not the trigger assembly) evenly and lightly not only will your TDR50 cycle like velvet but you may obtain an additional 0.5~1.0 joules and a few extra MPS average velocity due to the extra gas sealing. Don't worry about cold thickening as this grease has a working range of -73°C to 398°C (-100°F to 750°F). Any fluoropolymer of this type will do with the same temperature range and thickness and they also work great on pew-pew and real steel slides also. Use less thick lubricants on finer areas as these greases tend not to migrate into tight areas. With new guns if Glock copper factory grease is used first for about 500 rounds then the other with standard use any wear in the future will be very minimal.
But beware, Glock Copper makes a horrible mess so use it very sparingly. Unless of course you want everything around you to be copper colored.
We do this with both our pew-pew's and real steel's at Ramstein-Meisenbach AFB and rarely if ever have we had a seizure due to wear. Lack of lube is a different matter.
And always remember! "Once the bullet leaves the barrel there's no calling it back!".
👉🤪💨
To the Honor of my Ancestors,
Capt. Tamre' Colby USAFE/NATO CAS/AS
Thank you for the advice Capt. Tamre'.... Btw your flying skills are quite extraordinary!
@@slaughterx8934
Sure, I'm already gone. I'm in Norway now. Are you happy you boneheaded twit? Look you Ruskie troll, quit attacking other nations and there wouldn't be a need for NATO. You want NATO to leave you alone then you leave the world alone. You pathetic little Putin puppet.
@@onazram1
Thanks f marz! It's always a pleasure to have someone's compliment. I just hope I haven't lost the Edge when I get home. LOL!
Ta! Ta!
Tamre'
(Edit: Ouch! That was a bad joke, I fly an Edge 540, sorry... 🤪👍)
umarex recommends to put 1 drop of RWS silicone oil on the tip of every co2 canister... RWS silicone oil is very expensive, can I use something alternative, what is your opinion of this
Looking back I see my statement was rather vague. What I meant was, can I use alternative brands of silicone oil or must it be only umarex brand RWS for umarex t4e, is RWS simply a marketing gimmick?
thanx and hi from France
just an idea, when you pull the metal parts apart, you could do it inside a bag, just so you dont have springs flying all over. -i have done so when modifying airsoft guns.
liked you video, cheers mate :)
That's what that is. An airsoft toy.
So just removing the valve block on the 11 Joules version would probably make some difference but Awsome Video and I see the difference with the tuning barrel
Nice work, easy to watch.👌👌👌
Great background music picked up !!!! (A la Orilla del Mar By Tanel Sra )
Great video with lots of info. Thanks.
That thing is kicking ass
Hello, have you ever had any issues with a Umarex weapon/shotgun/revolver? On Amazon, I read that some people experienced the weapon exploding, with the CO2 bursting out.
Best regards,
Lars
Damn near like rebuilding a 21 Jewel watch!
Ohhhhh it's a co2 pistol. I thought it was an actual fire arm for a second
You need a Vice, my friend! even just a small one from Amazon, its not a man shop until you have a vice! Good job, I am going to do mine next thanks for showing everyone
I do have a vice, just waiting to sort my workbench out, the materials of which are being used as a platform for building the block wall at the back of the garage.
While it was apart I would have removed the trigger assembly and polished and lubed all the metal to metal surfaces.
I need one of these
Great video mate thanks👍
good man u know your stuff
Nice information, nice power too, thanks!😁✌️
Wouldn't it make sense to do a Carbine conversion with a longer barrel , maybe a foregrip or stock?
Great Video Sir.
Thanks.
Am I missing something ? The "7.5 Joule" (which I've just ordered) shoots at 3.5J out of the box ? - less than 1/2 advertised power ?? That's shocking! I know different ammo gets different efficiencies, but that seems like grounds to send the thing back!
It’s very rare to really get out the advertised power on whatsoever airguns… Worst I’ve encountered was the SIG MCX CO2 pellet sprayer* (*because so inaccurate), It’s bragged a 12joules, but, on a hot summer day, just measured 5.8 J… And I bought even two of them, both the same, so I didn’t just get a lemon to be sent back !…
heat effects c02 quite a lot, warmer days more power, colder days less power. high pressure air conversions fix the problem but that's a whole other ball-ache to mod the the gun to work with a different power source.
Thanks Ben, that little disc you put in the co2 chamber? Is it the same size across the whole t4e range please? Would if fit the hds and the hdr?
Hi😀 a video reminder for new owners😎 of the very popular Hdr50💪
well produced. thanks. what about the torpedo by mercury rise? is it any good? are there kits for it?
much to learn, and don't know where the discussions take place. any advice from anyone who can refer me.
So why is the 7 Jule better to up grade than an 11 Jule...?....Great videos..
They say it is because the co2 chamber is larger on the 7.5joule version. But it might not make much difference.
@@Maddogairguns its true mate !!! :)
Thanks for the videos I see how expensive it is to shot this ammo but I do reuse them and shot at target that does not damage the ammo. Why not try this?
me 2, i also use them again if not damaged. but the main use of this gun, is not to target shoot for fun, but defense, so the cost of ammo is not a factor imo. cheers :)
great vid MDA
Great vid bro
CHEERS fr Monterey
Cal..
What would be the range of this now? Thanks in advance!
wow great tips. in this way is more power than a cal 22
Love this
It sucks that we can't get tuning barrels in Greece. But what are they other than an extra cm. of threads? A smoother bore? A snugger bore that saves on leakage?
The tuning barrel is made of steel, so harder wearing. It is also a snug fit for some ammo, making as you say less leakage of the co2.
@@Maddogairguns Thank you. Since that's the case, it shouldn't be hard to have one machined at any shop. Come to think of it, it'll probably be cheaper too, eliminating shipping costs.
Good Video. You Did Some Good Upgrades. How Much Does it Cost?
Can't remember off hand, but there are links in the description for the parts I used.
@@Maddogairguns I Mean The Gun
Great vid thank you
Really useful video..of course be interesting to know the difference just the tuning barrel makes on its own in the 7,5 joule..if you get the time lol ..great vid!
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Great video content- keep it up! Hey what exact ammo were you using both them if you don't mind. Ive got the same thing fully done... Love to hear the comparison.... Thanks brother!
Sorry I missed it where you said the ammo 😢😅😂
Id love to have one😮😢
2 seconds in i hear the english accent...And guns, i subscribe, same as me, born and bread 43 yrs...
Secondo te riesco a togliere il blocco solo smontando la scocca e valvola per poi tirarlo fuori con delle pinze a becco??! grazie
What kit do I use for the gen 3 13 jelous Lazer model
Amazing content , how can i know what version i have ?
If it has an F stamped on the gun, usually inside a pentagon, then it's a 7.5 Joule version.
Try and keep everything in the frame as it makes it easier to follow what you are doing 🙂
Hello! Thanks for your amazing videos. I have a question that I cannot solve. I want to buy Umarex HDR 50 11 joules for home protection. But I want to make this revolver more powerful. I watched a lot of videos, but I didn’t fully understand which of the options for increasing power is the most optimal? A revolver is needed specifically for home defense, and not for training or entertainment. I beg you, tell me a real way to increase the power of HDR 50.
I would suggest a 38 Special revolver then? If you already live somewhere where these high powered air guns are legal, a real gun should not be a problem?
@@penedrador I have a residence permit in this country, and I cannot buy a normal pistol yet.
most places where airguns have no limit and only require you to be 18 to buy them have severe restrictions on real firearms, you may be able to buy them with a "sports" use permit, but a carry permit is difficult or impossible, carrying an airgun even would also for a defensive purpose be illegal in most places!
and although you are allowed to defend yourself, doing so even in your home with a legally owned firearm you need to be extremely careful to not end up serving a long prison sentence for it, your really need to be facing certain death and be able to prove it! your word that someone came at you with a knife might not cut it, actual stab wounds might be required to convince a court of law!
a non lethal option might be better if it is capable of actually stopping someone but either way it will be a gamble!
of course different countries have slight variations...
imo a fully automatic high round pr second hpa driven bb gun with a 1000 round plus magazine might also be better for stopping an intruder than a 6 shot paintball gun... regular 68 cal paintball guns on a field are around 13 joules, so even if you double that you just might make an intruder really angry with 6 shots.
a steady continuous stream of a 1000 plus 0.177 steel bbs to the face i think would be a better deterrent!
but if you absolutely want this revolver then a 13c hpa tank conversion using 12.7 mm steel ballbearing balls would probably give the best result... hpa can easily be tuned to much higher pressure than co2, but then might become lethal at some point if you hit someone in the right/wrong place.
edit: there is also the hdr68, a 16 joule 68cal 5 shot version.
but i assume they are the same gun as the 50cal 6 shot 11 joule with just a bigger bore and the same potential for tuning and power.
and im not sure but i think the 50cal might "hurt" more as the projectile travels faster and impacts on a smaller area, assuming they can be tuned to the same joule...
@@ralphbooger4756 not allowed to defend your own family or self? that is insane, good ol'AR-15 in 50Beowolf and the bad guy can not testify against you
You need a CO2 restrictor disc and a valve block removal for power
Is your velocity in feet per second? If so it's only making 1.35 ft/lb which is well below the 6 ft/lb we're allowed in the UK.
If I have it set to read joules, it's metres per second.
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Thank you for this test Mad dog. Much appreciated. Is there some way you could diesel the ammo such as add vaseline to diabolo type of ammo like devastators?
Would be very interesting to se if you get any effect and if so, by how much.
Not sure it will work, I plan to give it a go at some point.
Would you be able to tell us the specific tools we need I had the HDR 50 turn up today and ordering power kit Friday but need the right tools
Basic hand tools, you can see what he's using in the video
The confusing thing is the part that goes up the co2 chamber so it just pushes in? on the 7.5 jouls version?
It has to be screwed in
Can the kit and barrel be used on the 68 cal also? If so is the process the same?
Yes, you can get the same kit for HDR68, and fitting it is exactly the same.
It’s not as easy to get the thread lock off tho is it
Hi Ben, can you do a video where you compare the modified 11j against this modified 7.5j?
Doesn't seem to be much, if any difference from this test. It would be interesting to see them compared apples for apples.
Many thanks
I’m hearing now, that there might not be much difference between the two, I’ll try to sort out a comparison video.
@@Maddogairguns cheers Ben, that'd be great. It certainly seems that way from your videos so far.
Yeah I'm really interested as well the differences between the two. Modded and unmodified as well as light simple mods
If you replace the same parts then they will shoot exactly the same
@TaylorG-n1u I did. And it does 😊
Would just fitting the tuning barrel alone make any difference to the power.
UK gun law is insane
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Would you do an upgrade if I sent you the pistol?
Sorry, I don't offer this service. Mainly due to me being in France, shipping and customs, that police local laws when it comes to guns.
@@Maddogairguns ok thanks. Waiting for a 13j to be in stock again in uk
@@Maddogairgunsthat's considered a firearm? Poor bastard. I was just in France for two weeks. I wouldn't want anything less than 9x19 for defense. Not a children's toy.
Hello... Congratulations for the well detailed videos... I wanted to ask you a question, to increase the power, is it sufficient to remove the reduction in the valve, or is it essential to assemble the kit they sell online?
you can drill out co2 restriction disk to 1mm then the power kit is pretty much useless
@@Seabass1206 Thank you very much for the reply...so you don't even need the pin that goes into the three hole valve? But what diameter should the piece of the co2 can have? Can you please give me some clear measurements? Or a link where they show this?
@@williamtabare8376 i would recommend starting at 1mm diameter 1.5mm max, the pin really doesn’t do too much and quite honestly the valve extension not so much either. if you want max power you need to run hpa and then you can remove the co2 restrictor disk completely and have it wide open
@@williamtabare8376 i forgot to mention removing the valve block but thats easy
@@Seabass1206 I have already removed the valve block but in this way I can only make 4 strokes at full power😢 mine is the 7.5 joule version
So this is very interesting i bought a gen 1 and a gen2 hDr50 and TR50 both dont hae any type of valve up the co2 chamber? so do the upgrade kit just push up there?
The kit has a pin and a CO2 restrictor disc. If you don't have a restricted disc you need one. The Gen2 HDP50 is 17-20 J out of the box, no upgrade parts needed😊
What would be the difference when upgrading the 11j version?
The 11 J version should already have a restricted disc
Odd question...does a silencer exist for this?
Yes it does
got mine, chuffed with it ???
Hiya is there a PCP conversion?
With PCP I mean the Dutch meaning which is: pressurized air guns with either a co2 or oxygen bottle (not talking 12 or 88g here but more 15 kgs and more) or a pump to take it to the Maxxxxx....
thank you for clearfyinng if i had the 11 jl version do i need the cap
Did you do any more upgrades on these ? So you’re saying buy the 7 jule one is stronger than the 11 jule even if they both been modified?
If you're going to have the same Parts in each then they will be equal
Is it possible (I'm assuming it is) to do only the tuning barrel change and still get a power increase without doing the power kit change?
If you want Power you need to remove the valve block and have the appropriate restrictor disc
Hiya Dog..great informative vid....why France mate?
Why France? The old dears moved here in 2003, and when I split with my ex I came out too.
@@Maddogairguns Cool...love France meself....stay safe Bud
so i working foot pounds as live in the states now. thats like 4 foot pounds of energy from a projectile the weight of a 22LR ?
Is this ideal for home defense?
If you can’t have anything else, then yes it might work in some scenarios.
Well it is called a home defense revolver so.........
Can you put an extender on an 11 joules to increase output?
Which direcetion do i put the restricter back in? is it in the handle? but what direction?
What are you going to do with that thing
Probably throw it at someone.
Why is the little gas upside down?
Because it just is
Good video. Not sure why you were only getting just over 3joules. My 7.5j version is always around the 7 joules mark.
It was fairly cold, which might explain the low readings.
@@Maddogairguns aww OK, makes sense.
Ben, did you replace the co2 for each test? Great video mate. Im uk based so mine standard but it's great fun.
Yes, I put fresh CO2 in each time.
I think hdr 50 has 7.5 joule why your gun have only 4joule?
I’m getting 18.7 j from the HDR with steel/rubber balls available online.
Many thanks for this, I'm down grading from .357 mag to air comprime, I'm also in France I would like to buy off the shelf ready to go, up to 20j is legal here, can you suggest a source pls, thanks in advance, goog info vid.
Sorry, I don't know of anywhere in France that sells 20 joules off the shelf, but I have got all mine from here and tuned them myself: www.toro-distribution.com/
@@Maddogairguns Ok thanks, what part of France are you? you can see where Iam
Does that mean the 7.5j version with its powerkit, is the better buy as it carries more power than the 11j version with its part removed in your other video?
I think that was a myth flying about at one time, that a modded 7.5joule version would put out more power than the 11 joule. I have modded both and they come out pretty much the same.
@@Maddogairgunsthanks bruh, I'll watch your mod of the 11 joule video. If you could point me in that direction that would be great. I guess im concerned that i wont be able to shoot with pepperballs if i remove the block in my 11 j version
There are a few videos where I mod the 11 joule version, as I didn't do all the mods at the same time, with this video I did all the mods in one video, only difference with the 7.5joule version, is that you have to insert a disc into the CO2 chamber, the rest is exactly the same.
could you mod a brodax ,Too get more velocity sir.
I might just go for the 11j version. Yes, it is more expensive, but with my hands containing 5 thumbs each, I know I will screw it up. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea if you have the 7.5j version, and you do make the change look easy, but, going back to my hands of thumbs, easy or not, it will be a big challenge for me. Besides, increasing the joules by that much, and I'm only guessing here, it could change it from a non-lethal gun to a lethal gun. For those of us who don't want to kill an intruder and face court time, it might be best not to do the conversion. Just saying. Great video.
If you get the 11 joules version, you can just remove the valve block restriction for an extra 3-4joules. That is really easy, no need to mess with the springs in the trigger mechanism. Just split the case, take out the block and put i back together again.
Hi,even though 50J+ still difficult fatal，Do not worry.
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This is about 13J+ Hdr 50,stopping power still insufficient.
So you need this for home defend，you must use pepper ball.
@@Maddogairguns do you have a video on this?