How to Check Cam Phaser Noise On A Ford 5.4 3V Triton Engine
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Quick tutorial on how to check to see if your ticking noise is caused by the cam phasers on your Ford 5.4 3V Triton engine. Cam phaser ticking noise is usually heard at idle/low rpm and normally in a drive-thru. When raising rpm to move forward the ticking seems to quiet down or go away.
Phasers can be replaced without taking the front cover off, just the valve covers need to come off and use a wedge tool to keep chain tight and in place.
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Nailed it. 5.4 with 205k. Exactly what was wrong with it.
You Don't need to remove everything to just change a cam phaser. These videos out there that show how to line up your camshaft lobs, mark your timing, then using a wedge tool, lock out your chains then R&R your phaser. " FordTechMakuloco" has some great videos.
I'm getting quotes for 3-4 k to replace my cam phasers. I'm so screwed
@@JMac85Xyear later but it shouldn’t be that much I got quoted 2K for my 2010 5.4 f250 cam phaser bulletproof kit
Thank you!!! Helpful at diagnosis of what I’m dealing with
i got a 2008 f150 5.4 mine was making knocking noise and running like junk till i unplugged the solenoids now it runs better
So u unplugged the solenoids then reconnect them and it fixed the issue
Mine too I replaced with the updated vct solenoids and knock is gone but tick is still there but minor
I had a camphaser problem on my truck. I solved my problem with the EDGE EVOLUTION programmer, increasing the idle speed and tuning it to work with a stronger gasoline and a thicker oil. I was able to keep my truck with the same engine for 5 years without any other problem. The problem of the camphaser is the oil pressure at low speed and with the heat, it is too liquid to work. Changing the camphaser, does not solve the problem because the problem is the furrows or pass the oil to go to the cam phaser. I put 5w40 oil, ride with a high-octane gasoline, and bought an EDGE EVOLUTION program to increase the idle and put the pre-adjusted program for high-octane gasoline. I never heard his tractor noise again. Good luck to all of you.
Dombo1969 i changed about everything i possibly could except oil on my 2004 f150. My pickup still throws the p0340 code and sound like a model t when at stop lights and the motor is hot. Any ideas?
I think you have the same problem I had. If you do exactly what I did, the problem should be solved. Gas with more than 91 octane, 5 w40 oil and increase the idle with a edge evolution. My edge evolution is currently for sale on ebay, if you are interested. Announcement on ebay, type 232800466875 good luck.
Increasing your rpm is basically activating the phasers and not solving the issue. You can't tune for thicker oil. The engine is built and requires a specific weight and type, so when the wrong oil is used, you cause issues down the road. The main issue that causes the phasers to fail is lack of maintenance and wrong oil type, which wears the engine. The issue isn't normally the cam phaser but it causes the phaser to go bad. Thicker oil is only putting a band aid on the real issue which is lack of oil caused by tolerances increasing from engine wear which is usually caused from lack of maintenance and wrong oil type. The correct way to solve the issue is to increase the volume of oil and/or oil pressure by installing a hvhp oil pump. This vid is on how to check your phaser to see if they are bad. If I had time, I'd make videos explaining exactly what the cause of all the issues are but most of the issues are again caused by lack of maintenance/wrong oil weight/type.
I visited 2 Ford dealership, The 2 told me that I had to change the engine, which I did not do, I increased the rpm +100 rpm, so rose to 700 rpm in idle and put thicker oil. Even if it was not ideal, the engine never made its noise tractor and I kept it 5 years more.
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My 06 had the hot idle knock I replaced vct solenoids with the new updates ones The knock went away right away and feels more reponsive Now I noticed the hot idle tick more now and that seems to be about it but also in a echo area I hear a kind of quick clank when I release foot of the gas when going slow through neighbor hood Other than that it runs good and strong I’m wondering if those noises are a big deal ? I’m thinking the clank noise sounds like the chain loosening possibly cause of the chain tensioners being bad Idk
This is interesting, but I have the opposite problem- quiet at idle, and then loud ticking at about 1200 RPM and in gear. Replaced the solenoids and the old ones acted just like the new ones- they weren't faulty. I'm guessing the phasers themselves are kaput?
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Thank you for your service first and for most. Also for helping people with crazy problems like these. I have one I was hoping you could steer me in the right direction. My only 2 issues I have atm on my 06 5.4 230k miles are a short to ground on my ccw line for the shift motor (I'll figure that out np) but my main concern is at 40mph while gently going up in speed my truck will jerk and jerk up to 60mph. If I gas it harder it'll stop. If I gas it pretty decent from below 40 it won't jerk at all. I get no codes unless I purposely slow boat up to 45mph and not give it extra gas I just stay steady and let it rattle for about 10 seconds. Then it throws the 0340 cam sensor code. Old sensor is good but tried a new one in right side (passenger) anyway. No change. Original owner swore the timing kit was done along with a new high flow oil pump at 170k. Any suggestions where to start? I'm a commercial/roadway electrician so I do not mind getting dirty. Tysm happy memorial Day and good bless 🙏
Also I def have the diesel tick. I'm leaning towards I was lied to about the timing kit and I'll check in the a.m. per your video. This just started about 4 weeks ago when I was stuck in sugar sand but I didn't beat my tranny or truck up. I gently shifted while driving forward and back. Once I got fully stuck I didn't retardedly spin my tires or beat on my truck. Got out dug up my tires and chopped down a few trees and drove off. I doubt it was the cause but this started the next day. Worth mentioning I assume. Thanks again brother
Sounds like maybe a few issues. Hard to tell without looking at it in person though. I've seen a lot of cheap timing kits that people buy off the net for a couple hundred. The problem is just that, they're cheap and don't last long. That could be one issue. Another issue could be damage from re-using and not replacing the cam phaser bolts. Some people don't replace the vct solenoids when doing a timing set, but they are common problems. I'd look at the oil pump also. If cheap parts were bought, a cheap pump may have been put on also. It really needs a high volume oil pump. High flow sometimes means high pressure but not neccessarily high volume, depending on the manufacturer. The oil pickup tube in the pan could be full of debris and not giving the engine proper oil flow. Also the heads could be needing rebuilt. Try using 5w30 oil instead of 5w20 and see if you have any change. Check and make sure the timing is correct and not off a tooth, I've seen lots that were not timed right. Hopefully this info helps you a little, let me know how it turns out.
Absolutely. Thank you sir 👍 will delve into this soon and see what I can find. So far it's not CPS or vct. The timing set was either not done or as you said was done improperly or cheap. It needs to be redone. I'm suspecting my problem is going to be a bad COP so going to ohm them out as soon as my son takes a nap. Also there are multiple problems at this point I need to address besides the COP if that is my current problem. I am looking to sell this truck and get something better on gas for the next 2 years with my long distance job but I will not pass on my problem to someone else. That is just disgusting to me.
@@bikerboysrus1 I usually check the coils and plugs when I diag a vehicle. Coils can test good but be bad. I always carry a few spare coils with me in the truck because I haul heavy loads and they can go out at any time. Good luck and let me know what you figure out.
Well I did diagnose a bad cylinder 5 COP. Was omw to AutoZone to buy a new set when I blew a hole in the valve cover. The hole is exactly in line with the timing chain as if it bored a hole in the cover but my guess is that it jumped timing and threw the chain into the cover. Looks like I will be trying to find a shop that can replace it with a used 5.4 or 4.6 if the engine is toast. Hoping it will be the timing components and maybe boring the cyclenders and replacing the Pistons etc. Either way 3k is more than I can afford as a single dad so wish me luck sir. I appreciate your help. Truth is I work 70hr weeks and I should have taken a few days off to remove and inspect everything. It will be a great reminder to be smarter next time 👍 thanks again man. God bless.
Quick question, I can duplicate my noise which is a “clacking” by putting the truck on a slight incline and giving it very little throttle to creep up and the clacking will start and continue until I rev past 1k-1.5k then it smooths out. I tried your method of unplugging the VCTs and with them unplugged the noise will not happen. I expected the noise and it not to smooth out but it won’t make it at all with the VCTs unplugged. Should I still go after the phasers or can this be a solenoid issue? Thanks
I'd like to know what you found out please! thanks.
Joshua Norris Hey man I have not tore into it yet but am planning on a timing set from freedom racing. I am going to do the full kit because I plan to keep it so that includes VCTs and phasers. It’s one of the two. Last, if you want to try VCTs first you don’t have to remove valve covers just use a screw type puller and you can change it through the cover. The VCT I got comes with a new valve cover seal.
@@chrisgraves6403 Thanks man! I'll check it out.. My noises just became so much more frequent and vicious! Not 100% sure what to do just yet as money is real tight and I drive almost 200-300miles daily.
I have 2009 f250 5.4L with
the same problem, it only makes that noise when the engine is hot with a slight rpm above idle. I have disconnected both VCTs and noise goes away, but not sure if it’s the solenoids or the cam phasers.
J Lopez what did you find out?
If you just unplug the passenger side and it stops is it the solenoid?
I put a new intake passer gear on my turbo Sentra 2.5 and it still rattles on start up. I have to unplug the injectors to prime it first every time. I believe it close the intake valve late for emissions but I’m so tired of this I want to know if I can just lock it?
Mine goes away at idle and rattles at 5-30MPH, stops at 40MPH...
What if the ticking is constant? It ticks in idle and the ticking gets faster the more the truck accelerates?.
Check your spark plugs. 5.4 3v are known for having spark plugs shooting out and just getting loose.
Happened to my step dad. He had to put a helicoil in to thread the spark plug. It was much louder than just a tick
Also could be a roller follower
Same for a 1999 f150 4.6?
my fríend you talking to fast.,i’m trying to learn english and fix my own cars.!
thanks for the video you help us a lot..
It's a normal speed for a native american speaker
I have an 07 F150 with a drivers side cam phaser. I've been quoted $3-4,000 to fix it by multiple mechanics. Sucks.
Sounds like they are quoting to replace the whole timing set. I charge well under that to replace the whole timing set along with oil pump with oem Ford parts. You may need to keep looking for a Ford mechanic that has experience with these engines and not a mechanic shop that "hates" Fords.
I have the knock, I know they're bad, but now when I go up hill or under a load, it's begun to make sort of a rattling or grinding noise, but goes away when I let up on the gas pedal. Are they getting ready go completely?
Have you had it looked at to make sure that's where the noise is coming from? When you let off the gas, the chains go laxed, and if your guide are worn or broken, you'll have a rattling sound. When you push on the gas, one side of the chains will flop if your guides are worn or broken. The phasers can make all shorts of noise depending on what stage failure they're in. Is it a 4wd? Sometimes people mistake the noise that could be coming from a bad 4wd actuator or vacuum leak. They are vacuum operated and when vacuum fluctuates they could be trying to engage. The actuators are also known to try and engage under load or going up hills usually caused from a vacuum leak.
Check the CV axle.
Good video
ok vet, thanks for making this video. If my cam phasers just started being a little noisy would changing just my oil pump to a high volume oil pump possibly correct the issue? Or should I just plan on replacing the cam phasers and the VTC solenoid and oil pump all at once?
Really depends on the condition of everything. It's best to replace everything including the timing set once it starts making noise. It's a matter of time before it all will need replaced anyway. You have to remove the chains to change the oil pump so the labor cost is once instead of twice if you do it at one time. You may try to use 5w30 oil and see if that helps any also. Hope this helps.
The front does not have to come off
What would a job like this cost? Generally
Okc vet I need your help on diagnosing my trucks problem it has loss of power sputtering popping and backfiring O2 sensors cam sensors 10 or more codes before I tear this motor apart I want to know if you could give me any ideas have what may be the problem
It's really hard to diag without looking at it in person. Cam sensors will cause running issues like your describing. If it was the crank sensor, it prob wouldn't run. The timing set/phasers will cause different issues also. Have you had it worked on lately? Anything replaced and how has it been running? Did it suddenly start running bad or is it a problem gradually getting worse?
Replace the water pump too
Basically! 😁
My truck rattles like crazy. I've been told its the cam phaser. He wants to change the cam phaser and solenoids and is trying to charge me 2500 CND. What would you recommend I replace. Thanks
It really depends on if you trust the mechanic and their diagnosis is correct. Phaser issues and chain rattle are two different problems, that may or may not be caused from the same issue. The cam phasers are not always bad, but when they are, they can cause the chains to jerk and do other damage like break the guides. The chains can be rattling without the phasers being bad also. There's multiple scenarios to what could actually be wrong but I normally recommend changing all the timing components while your in there, including installing a high volume oil pump. Here in the US, for 1900 (2500cdn=1891 US currently I believe)I can change all timing components with aftermarket parts. Using oem factory it runs right around 2300 and that's with parts, a new oil pump, antifreeze, labor, etc. If I were to only change the phasers, and use OEM factory parts, I would charge approx 1k, which is 1322 Cdn at the current rate. If the phasers are the only parts being replaced, the valve covers are removed, not the whole timing cover. I don't know how labor rates are up in Canada or what parts cost so that may be a factor to why they are charging what seems like too much to me, unless I misunderstood your question. I believe you asked about cam phaser replacement. If your engine is rattling like mad, the chains/guides most likely need replaced also. Hopefully the mechanic your using is honest and able to properly diagnose the issue. Hope I helped and thanks for watching!
@@okcvet1st hey local mechanic told me he can install the livernois lockout kit. Said he installed 6 of those and no problems. What's your thoughts on the lockout kit.
Ok but how does that determine what the issue is? How do you know if it's just the vct?
Its needs to be properly diagnosed to know what is going on. Test can show if the vct solenoids or the phasers are working properly. Over 50% of the engines I repair need new timing sets installed. Lack of maintenance/wrong oil/filter & low quality aftermarket parts are the leading causes of failure in any engine. If your engine is running fine and it just rattles, it can be fixed so don't let anyone tell you the engine needs replaced, which I hear that very often.
@@okcvet1st thank god. I was worried
No were it's the noise 😅
One video I saw guy says it was a spark plug blew out !!!
My truck having these issues and i need a good mechanic, I would try it myself but dont want to mess up. Going by your name are you actually in the oklahoma city area.
Yes. Search my name on cl services.
@@okcvet1st i found your number on cl and called a couple weeks ago, never got a response. Is there some other way to get in touch with you
if you put thick oil in it they won't do that
My issue is there isn’t a ticking noise until I accelerate. No problems when I’m stopped.
You need to have it properly diagnosed by an honest, experienced mechanic. Most repair shops tell people they need a new engine when they don't. I've even heard several dealers say they'd rather replace then fix. Most issues are caused by lack of maintenance and wrong oil weight/type.
Check your exhaust manifold ... if it ticking when u hit the gas then could possibly be your manifold leaking out would most likely be on your passenger side behind tire ... put your head there & listen carefully or have some one rev the engine & listen
Have you seen this happen on the 3.5 EcoBoost?
That engine is nasty. Drove an Expedition as a rental and was quite impressed.
The 3.5 eco is a good engine but also has issues with heavy use like towing, just like every engine out there. The 5.4 or 5.0 are preferred gas engines for towing over the 3.5 eco. Just my opinion from experience.
Can a OBD scan too detect and diagnose a bad cam shaft phaser?
I use a snap-on scanner to diagnose. I'm able to see cam/timing degrees along with other data. A "code scanner" will not show you what you need to know to properly diagnose. You can get an idea by doing this test, but to pinpoint you have to use a capable scanner and know what the data means. The cam phasers do not have any electrical parts. Failure usually points to other issues like oil, maint, or how they were installed if replaced already.
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Great video but the whole front of the motor does not have to come off if you just want to replace the cam phasers. here is a video showing step by step how to do that. ruclips.net/video/UBQHQmm2RMs/видео.html
Yes, the front cover doesn't have to come off to replace the phasers and I have vids posted for that procedure. Guess I shouldn't have said it would be a good idea to replace the timing set and oil pump while your in there because it all has to come off for that anyway, not referring to cam phaser replacement only. What I should have said to make it more clear is, you can replace the cam phasers alone without taking the timing cover off but if you decide to replace your timing set, you'll have to remove the cover and would be a good idea to replace the oil pump while your in there. Thanks for watching!
Hold the camera steady. Can't even see where plug you pulled
Sorry you feel like that. I just looked at the vid again and don't see what your talking about. Thanks for watching!
you think you could talk a little faster
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That’s not a 5.4 . Its a 4.6
I'm interested in knowing why you think it's a 4.6 but it is a 5.4.
I might be wrong but early models came with a different intake boot/hose and was completely different next year. The only thing I could see that would make me think it's not a 5.4 but with more than a quick glance that is Def a 5.4... look closer bud 👍 think before you speak.
stop saying "go ahead" !
I said "basically" more then "go ahead," which after I watched it myself thought it was annoying, lol. Sorry.
Why bother id you aren't going to demonstrate?
If I tried to demonstrate, I'd get comments saying you couldn't hear me because the engine was running, so I did my best at the time. Basically, if the noise changes with the vct solenoids plugged up, then the phasers are locking in, which stops the noise. When not connected, they don't lock in and continue to rattle as you raise the rpm. If the rattle continues with the vct plugged in and rpm raising, the next step would be looking to see if the vct solenoids are faulty. Sorry if the video didn't help. May browse through my other videos that talk about the timing.
OK but you didn't show the noise itself so this video is basically usless