2005 mustang gt, was having every issue possible. P0012 and P0011 codes, replaced the vct solenoids, not much better, still codes. So I watched a lot of you videos on all of these problems, replace the timing chains and found a chain tensioner on the pass side that was blown out, thought replacing it would maybe help the issue but still, nothing. After lots of time and money and frustration, I ordered two phasers and the high flow oil pump he recommends and the car runs better than it ever has. At 104k miles I was having this issue but the motor looked very clean, goes to show the reliablity of the original ford parts, replace with the revised stuff not aftermarket!!! Thank you for all the quality information you post
Can you please do a complete engine rebuild video? You're the only mechanic on RUclips that I trust and I'd like to see you do a complete tear down and rebuild.
Oh my goodness! You saved me so much grief and money. I lost timing on my 05 f150 while removing the right head with broken exhaust studs. I set up timing like i was suppose to in your other videos. Right cam phaser also had an L mark? I set timing to that. Truck was way off. Now i see to use the other mark for the right side! I was 180 deg off. Was at my end. Had scheduled to take it to the dealership. Now i can fix my problem. Thanks!
You've been posting a lot of camshaft phaser and solenoid stuff lately.... XD but if it wasn't for you my car wouldn't be running perfectly right now so THANK YOU!!!
Great vid...greatly appreciated...I understood the concept behind the phaser but have never seen someone explain what to physically look for maintenance.
Awesome video Brian, Thank you. I have followed your videos in the past wile doing the cam phaser/timing R&R and also spark plug R&R. All took some time but went very well with the help of your instructions. Very much appreciated! I wonder if you could tell me if you see phaser failure happen often with lack of oil pressure. My 05 F150 has recently died wile in motion and wile it will start (occasionally) it runs very rough for seconds then dies. After further inspection it seems I may have had an oil leak at the front cover where meets the oil pan. Is it possible that lack of oil caused the phaser to fail, throw off timing and causing the truck to, now, not start/run? or should I be considering other avenues? Thanks in advance!
Thank you very much for the time you take to make our life easier and make us save money. I have a question, can I use the camshaft of a 2004 for crown Victoria 4.6 in a 2007 f-150 even though the lobes from the 2004 are lower by around .025 in ? thank you very much and please keep educating us with your amassing videos.
I seen where they make kits to block those. From advancing. And I have seen them fixed the top of heads with a line boring machine. And the only thing you have to do is replace the bearings for just like connecting rod bearings. They're just a lot smaller
Awesome video. I have learn so much with you that I really, really thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know it has been 7 years ago when you posted this video so I dont have high hopes of getting and answer but maybe I will be lucky. My 2004 Ford 150 has started developed a sound like a little piece of metal being tossed around at the passenger valve cover, right where the phaser is or the upper part of the timing chain cover. It is not a regular noise but an erratic one exactly as I said, like a piece of metal being tossed around at random. It started after I left my truck parked in my driveway for 4 days. It was a cold day in NY when I started the engine and I felt a weird noise. After that, this noise appeared. It will be present with the engine cold or hot. When I saw this video I though that maybe one of those roll pins came out and is being tossed around. Could this be the cause of the noise in my truck? By the way, much before that I plugged a scanner and I saw the passenger bank was retarded 20 degrees at iddle while the other was at zero. I have a pending code P0010.
I wish someone had told me to check the oil before diagnosing cam phaser problems. Once The crank case was full of good motor oil, the cam phasers started working perfectly. I didnt realize that the engine was low on oil and needed to be changed also. This caused the cam phasers to knock and rattle and I was about to spend $900 and my next couple weekends to change the timing set.
Thanks Brian ... Awesome series of videos. I need HELP with 2005 F150 5.5L 3V Phasor. Watched all your videos and am changing all of the timing components. I ordered two genuine Ford timing parts and phasers. One arrived OK and the second arrived in three pieces!!! Reluctor, spring and sprocket assembly. Snow is on its way and I am screwed unless I can put this second phaser back together ASAP. I have positioned the spring correctly but am not sure where to position the reluctor base into the square spring end and how many turns to rotate it so the reluctor ends up in the correct position. Cant afford to get this wrong and put the engine back together.
Your videos are great and you have so much knowledge with the timing system on this engine. I pulled up to a stop one day and the engine was shaking erratically and caused the cabin to shake as well. Have you ever seen a case where the phasers would be at fault for this symptom? This only occurs when the oil starts to get hot when you drive it for a while. It’s is also gaveling symptoms of roughy idle and you can smell the fuel being burned which I’m assuming is poor fuel economy. Please help I’ve looked all over and I’m just not sure about this one. Replaced the plugs and vct solenoids. Also there is a code coming up for a rich bank 1 would a phaser be to blame for that as well?
Fordtech, i have watched most of your cam phaser vids. Thanks. I had my engine rebuilt at 145k. After market parts but melling pump. Ran poor when i got it back, replaced vct solenoids w oem ford and it has run well for about 20k miles. I am at 195k now, i put new oem chain guides and tensioners...still stalls at lights. What are your thoughts on phaser lock out? I am not convinced ford phasers will solve this now terribly discouraging motor issue.
5 years later, I'm back here ma man. I still have the same 2008 GT. Tried to go out to McDonald's yesterday morning and the engine cold started just fine, then random started running super rough as I was exited my drive way and engaging my clutch at low rpm. My engine has 210k miles and I have retimed it twice, replacing chains, sprockets, phasers, vct solenoids, but I have never replaced all lash adjusters or followers (only a couple that have failed followers here and there) so I wonder if thats it. Timing chains and guides look fine from looking down from the top of the engine (valve covers removed). I hope I didn't spin a bearing or have a follower bend a valve or something crazy. Or maybe my car just had an electrical issue and went into limp mode. Not sure but I'm still doing some diagnostic tests. I'm about to use the follower tool to pull out all 24 followers and inspect them. I'll also check the lash adjusters. If its bottom end stuff, I might have to take it to a mechanic
Thank you so much for the informative video, I have 2012 ford expedition 5.4L, mileage is 200KM. It has the P0024 code with "check engine on" for over 2 years now, I have changed the The Oil Control Valve (OCV) to the bank 2, but it did not fix the P0024 code. do you think using the "Cam Phaser Lockout" can fix the problem. note1: there is no knocking noise sound, the sound of the engine is good. note 2: mileage per hour is always around 12mpg. note 3: I am using 5W30 full synthetic engine oil. Thank you.
Really Awesome Video. couple questions - If someone did take all the screws off the reluctor ring, (1) is it hard to reset the phaser spring back in the housing? (2) Is there a special procedure to align the marks? lastly, if we look at the tone ring and gear sprocket locations - (3) how much off is allowed to "perfectly" aligning up the gear tooth to tone ring tab? Is there allowance at all when matching up the center of the gear tooth to center of the tone ring tab? The reason I ask that and I know that is a used phaser but when I look at the tab on the tone ring in the video, it didn't seem to align exactly with the center of the gear to the center of the tone rings tab.
Hey man, your videos are the best. I'll be in Chicago for work next spring. Wish I could take my truck out there from Denver. My question for you is and i may post this on multiple videos to hopefully hear back. Although i know your super busy and despite your best intentions you can't get back to everyone. Anyway my question is, i put 12v to both my VCT solenoids. When I put 12v to the drivers side the engine runs smoother although not perfect. Still doesn't sound right. When i put 12v to the passenger side VCT solenoid the engine runs worse and almost dies out. Can you tell which phaser has failed based on that diagnosis? To back up, my engine recently started running terrible on my way down from the mountains. Code said cam position sensors. Which obviously wasn't the problem. I changed them anyway and of course my engine still tumbles and misfires and nearly dies no matter what rpm i am at. Thanks for all the great videos and help. I love your channel the 5.4 engine and my Ford's. Thanks
I've heard of people "blocking out" the cam phasers. It's suppose to keep them at base timing and give these engine more longevity and of course horsepower would suffer. It requires programming of course. How do you feel about this procedure?
Im having issues with the phasers a mechanic recomended me this procedure of blocking , did you did something similar, or do you have more info on this ?
I'm in the process of doing the phasers now and I have the old one from the driver side in front of me. The center tab that aligns with the L is slightly right of the L. The left edge of the tab is perfectly aligned with the L. My question Is, is that correct? Because the new ones are the same way. Just wondering if that's right or if the center tone ring should be directly centered to the tooth. Just dont want to put in defective parts. Any insight from anyone that knows would be helpful. Btw the old one I took out was either an original or one of the older parts. No R on it! But I have an 04 with 200 on it! so it could have been done once before. FordTechMakuloco I watch alot of your videos and have learned a ton about my motor. Thanks for the info. Keep doing the good deed man!
You said can be used left or right… so those 3 tone rings for timing mark doesn’t matter for the right side has 2 you said can be used for the other side?????
I replaced a cam on my 5.4l. When I put in the new bolt and tightened it the last 90 degrees the cam rotated slightly. So I had to tighten a little more. When I did, it gave way slightly feeling like the bolt was failing. The engine runs fine and is quiet. Have you ever felt this when changing this bolt? Thanks for the videos.
Completed my timing job by following your videos. First problem I had was my truck would shut off at stops. And then I developed a knock. I removed the valve cover and Phaser on that side and found my new oem Phaser broke. I reinstalled one of my ld phasers in and the knock came back while doing the idle relearn. Any ideas.
That’s causes Ruff idle and makes the vehicle stall and shut off right I have this issue on my mustang if I take a little longer can it damage my motor
great videos! I have a 2008 Ford Expedition. I have changed the camp phasers, timing belts, oil pump, vct, tensioners and changed the oil. Runs good but knocking noise has not gone away. it's louder when it's on low idle. Any idea what else I can do to fix it?
So I'm new to all of this "cam phaser" stuff, and most certainly NOT very mechanically inclined. I'm looking at a used 2005 f150 FX4, with the 5.4L. Dealer says that they have "fixed" the cam phaser issue (first time I'd ever heard the phrase, which led me to your video on RUclips!)...what should I be looking for when I look at the truck? What questions should I ask him about the "fix"? Thanks in advance for any reply!! :-)
Brian, is there a way to pull off and put on the brake booster vacuum tube that connects to the back of the intake manifold without pulling the intake? This tube made it a real PITA pulling the driver side VC. With this tube in the way I found it easier to pull the passenger side VC without discharging the AC. 2007 F150 5.4
I know you always recommend the Ford OEM, but where i live i can't easily get them. How about Melling? I believe they are an OEM supplier to Ford anyway. thanks
In my truck I have a timing gauge. My timing bounces around all over the place, going anywhere from +3 to +18 at idle, I'm assuming this isn't normal. Is this a definite sign of the phasers about to go out? VCT solenoids recently failed on both sides and were replaced, this timing issue has been happening for months. Thanks for the input
I haven't torn my engine apart yet, but I have replaced both camshaft sensors. It runs GREAT for about half an hour then it starts idling rough again. Sensor one ,(left one) had oill on it, sensor 2 (right one) was clean. Blown Gasket? It was burning rubber when I first replaced the sensors. Now its losing power. I also have a Performance chip installed in it, I just installed it to see if it would help with the power output. Any suggestions? I really don't want to tear part my engine because I need my truck for work, I am a contractor, I'd put it in the shop but I'm afraid it'l going to cost me an arm and a leg and I'd possibly have to loan my wife out for a few hours, but that alone should allow me to keep my arm and leg, considering she's a 9.8/10.
That is probably the timing chain and their guides and tensioners if you hear a rattle for 3 seconds or less. They quiet down when the oil starts flowing. My Mustang does it with no problems. Eventually you may need to replace the timing chain guide and tensioners, Ford made them out of plastic for my Mustang for some reason. They will get worn out faster if you run your car low on oil for a long while.
Hi Brian .. thanks for your video I did everything according to your videos. I have a 5.4 triton but I used the locking kit of kinda triangler shaped pegs that fits between the spines. I was just wondering if there's a difference weather or not the locks are put into the left side of the spine or the right side ? Reason is because I did everything required as per changing the camshaft and position sensor and I also made sure it was secured properly, but I'm still getting P0011-FF and P0021-FF and it idles ruff and I get power loss as , And has a high smell from the exhaust system.
Hay thank for the info on them phafers I got to save my money now.but you think it b wise if I replace the tenchenier and the guides.i don't know if that failed since I have it apart that is??
I have a similar problem with a 4.6 3v and cannot pinpoint the source of my problem... I'll be short and to the point, my problem is rattling under the timing cover, pulled valve covers and right bank chain was flopping around. When cranked over manually the chain will tighten then loosen. Cam phasers look ok from a visual standpoint. Has anyone ever run into this? The other thing I notice that I feel is worth mentioning is that driver side bank has normal oil staining on cylinder head etc for having 130k, passenger side looks clean like almost new.... any help would be appreciated as I'm fairly stumped.
Hey Makuloco! thanks for all the info you provide, I'm Auto Tech as well , but i has being working with German Cars for long time, question is there a way to fix the cam phasers? thank you!
hello i have 2007 for mustang 4.6 did almost everything to it. my phasers are after market auto zone. i'm still getting timing codes p0022 and 12 timing retarded. only when warmed up and under load. soon and i give it little gas engine feels like it will fall apart. Any tips thanks either way. and thanks for the great videos.
@@FordTechMakuloco when do you recommend putting the melling oil pump on ? My expedition is making the same sound consistent with a phaser knock but it starts as soon as engine turns on
Could a persistent p0340 & p0344 code signal an issue with the phaser? Alternator & both sensors replaced at dealer and they checked all wiring and cannot figure out why it's still throwing these codes.
I tried to install one of these on a ford 5.4. I went to 30 ft lbs, then 90°.. I made it 45° and the tone ring snapped right off. Cheap Dorman crap. I didnt even do anything wrong. It was lined up straight and everything, it just failed on me HARD.
@@countryjoe3551 Exactly. Only Ford knows how to make these right. I warned my foreman before I started, tried installing cam followers and somehow broke and dropped a valve down a cylinder. And the piston was almost at BDC, so it didnt hit that. I dunno. I'm confused. Now I'm cleaning the head and my boss hands me a 60 grit Roloc pad to clean the head surface. Uggghhh 🤦♂️He is an idiot, I'm an intermediate mechanic.. so since he doesn't know how to do the job he pushes it on me. And I make $15/hr.
I'm throwing in the towel on this motor, new oil pump,timing set,phasers,VCT solenoids, it was quiet for a month then started to gradually rattle on start up and now when it gets warm it retards itself and dies at idle. My first ford and it's a junker.
Hello, I have a problem with a 2008 F150 5.4L 3V. First problem, when in cold and starting the motor sound a chain noise, the technician said that is a CHAIN TENSIONER on the passenger side. Second problem, it thrown a P0022 code (INT CAM POSITION TIMING OVER RET BAN 2), its misfiring the passenger side and the technician said maybe is a phaser... The truck was repaired of a time chain kit 2 months ago... those problems I have sounds awful and the motor starts to vibrate... I saw a lot of videos on youtube that adjudicates the problems to VCT Solenoids... and maybe could be those, but I´m not sure... What do you think? Could those Phaser Locks help to solve my problems??? For what are those made for??? What are they improvement for the motor or what is the benefits? Hope you can help me with this!! Thank you!
Hi Sir I got a 2010 Ford F-150 The problem is in this truck when the engine gets hot the engine shaking and it is not running perfectly so I watched your video about This problem and I replaced the two timing Phaser and timing kit I bought it from Ford dealer with two solenoid all of them from dealer but it is still the same when Engine gets hot Engine shaking And also before when I want to change the timing kids I change the oil 2 times and I put BG on the oil and I flushed it.Can you help me what should I do right now? If you can I appreciate it.Thank you. Sorry my English writing is not good I hope you understand what I mean. thank you again
Do you happen to have specs on type of steel used and dimensions of the fins? It wouldn't be hard at all to make new fins if that is the primary internal failure point. Unless, they take out the groove they ride in. Then, it might not be a viable option.
i dont mean to be so offtopic but does someone know a way to log back into an instagram account?? I stupidly lost my login password. I would love any help you can offer me
@Giovanni Gannon Thanks for your reply. I got to the site thru google and im trying it out now. I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
I have a 2003 5.4 and to my understanding that's a 2v motor. But it has the symptoms of a failing cam phaser. Starts that tapping or ticking noise once the engine is hot, doesn't make a sound when it's cold. Any ideas??
2008 F150, 5.4 4x4. When downshifting from overdrive going up a grade, I get what seems like a backfire out of the exhaust. I'm stumped, unless some of the anti-seize got into the electrodes of the sparkplugs when I changed them. it seems like a secondary ignition problem, but I thought I'd ask. could a failing phaser exhibit similar symptoms?
I replaced the timing chains, phasers, guides and crank gear on a 2007 ford expedition. The job was quite simple thanks to your video. after installation was complete the truck cranks up fine idles fine and drives with no issues however it runs for about 30 min then starts running rough and dies. it will not crank up after that. it turns over and acts like it is out of time. i can let it sit for a couple of hours and then it will crank up and run fine again. the is no check engine light or codes. I have changed the cam position senors out, this has me and my mechanic stump. just wondering if anyone has had this issue.
Hey Brian, I am rebuilding my entire timing setup (with the help of your videos, YOU ARE **THE** MAN), however, I am also installing phaser lockouts with a custom tune. Should I replace my VCT solenoids even though the lockouts will theoretically render them useless? Or should I replace them since I'll be in there?
I believe one or both sticks occasionally. It will chug, sputter, and it sounds exactly like the truck you demonstrated in your "sticking VCT" video. I also have chain noise on startup, so it's getting the whole nine yards, Melling 10340 pump included. I really can't thank you enough for all your help, I feel like we all owe you more than a few beers!
I've changed both phasers, both chains, both tensioners, oil pump and both VCT solenoids on my 06 f150 5.4. My truck will start and run fine but as soon as I accelerate, my truck will die at idle. Any idea what's causing this?
so i just bought a set of camshaft phasers i talked to a mechanic and he stated that there was a new style of phasers with a new design that make them not be able to be noisy. like the oem ones that end up clicking any insight on or what they did to fix them.
Thanks for the video by the way. Getting ready to tackle that dreaded timing on the 05 5.4. What are the best can phasers out there and do you recommend cloyes timing kit
off the subject dp ypu have a video of DTC P0125? i can t sem to rid the mil light replaced coolant sensor, thermostat, topped of rad, and still same code appears.
How do you feel about cam phaser lockout kits such as those made by Livernois Motorsports? Is this a good long term solution to cam phaser issues or would you suggest replacement?
1st off great job on your videos FordTechMakuloco this as well as your other videos are great and helpful videos. If you have a engine that has been poorly taken care of and has timing failure from crap oil this video will sure help.. A good long term solution is stop using crap oil. There are lots of these trucks with a half a million miles and more on them that have never been apart but each one of them use good oil. Then there are folks who insist on running Poison oil and put chains and tensioners and phasers in them every 60k to 80k. almost every oil you see on Tv will give you timing problems with these engines and they cost more than good oil lol they get you lured in with there tv commercials. I can only think of 3 brands of oils you see on Tv that are mid range oils and don't make buildups in your engine and Poison is not one of them how ever it keeps folks buying parts every 60k lol.pretty much if you have a timing problem under 500k your running crap oil that spends its $ on advertising not oil quality now think of what that oil is doing to the rest of the engine your fuel economy the list goes on. And they bend these folks over with a smile every oil change some every 3k miles so bad that these folks tell there friends how great the product is and even sport stickers in there windows. And Ford sits back and laughs thinking great keep running that oil we will sell you parts for life. Ford built the consumer a engine that will last a million plus miles untouched and the consumer blotched it up by running junk oil in it it even makes me laugh you can google Million Mile Gasoline Engine Teardown yet not many folks do.
2005 mustang gt, was having every issue possible. P0012 and P0011 codes, replaced the vct solenoids, not much better, still codes. So I watched a lot of you videos on all of these problems, replace the timing chains and found a chain tensioner on the pass side that was blown out, thought replacing it would maybe help the issue but still, nothing. After lots of time and money and frustration, I ordered two phasers and the high flow oil pump he recommends and the car runs better than it ever has. At 104k miles I was having this issue but the motor looked very clean, goes to show the reliablity of the original ford parts, replace with the revised stuff not aftermarket!!! Thank you for all the quality information you post
Can you please do a complete engine rebuild video? You're the only mechanic on RUclips that I trust and I'd like to see you do a complete tear down and rebuild.
Thanks for showing a bad phaser! I have seen a bunch of videos showing how to replace them, but none, showing what a bad phaser looks like.
Oh my goodness! You saved me so much grief and money. I lost timing on my 05 f150 while removing the right head with broken exhaust studs. I set up timing like i was suppose to in your other videos. Right cam phaser also had an L mark? I set timing to that. Truck was way off. Now i see to use the other mark for the right side! I was 180 deg off. Was at my end. Had scheduled to take it to the dealership. Now i can fix my problem. Thanks!
THX FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEGE BY TIPS ON THINS TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION ON EVERY ASPECTS.
You've been posting a lot of camshaft phaser and solenoid stuff lately.... XD but if it wasn't for you my car wouldn't be running perfectly right now so THANK YOU!!!
THIS IS MUCH BETTER THAN READING MAGAZINE OR BOOKS. THIS GUY IS GREAT
Great job!! You really are making the difference for us DIYs, infinite thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Great vid...greatly appreciated...I understood the concept behind the phaser but have never seen someone explain what to physically look for maintenance.
Awesome video Brian, Thank you. I have followed your videos in the past wile doing the cam phaser/timing R&R and also spark plug R&R. All took some time but went very well with the help of your instructions. Very much appreciated! I wonder if you could tell me if you see phaser failure happen often with lack of oil pressure. My 05 F150 has recently died wile in motion and wile it will start (occasionally) it runs very rough for seconds then dies. After further inspection it seems I may have had an oil leak at the front cover where meets the oil pan. Is it possible that lack of oil caused the phaser to fail, throw off timing and causing the truck to, now, not start/run? or should I be considering other avenues? Thanks in advance!
Thank you very much for the time you take to make our life easier and make us save money. I have a question, can I use the camshaft of a 2004 for crown Victoria 4.6 in a 2007 f-150 even though the lobes from the 2004 are lower by around .025 in ? thank you very much and please keep educating us with your amassing videos.
This video is great , thank you for sharing your knowledge and the the tips on here .
Can you please do more videos of the 4.6L 2 valve engines ? All i've been seeing are the 5.4L 3 valve engines with the phasers videos! 😭
I seen where they make kits to block those. From advancing. And I have seen them fixed the top of heads with a line boring machine. And the only thing you have to do is replace the bearings for just like connecting rod bearings. They're just a lot smaller
Awesome video. I have learn so much with you that I really, really thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know it has been 7 years ago when you posted this video so I dont have high hopes of getting and answer but maybe I will be lucky. My 2004 Ford 150 has started developed a sound like a little piece of metal being tossed around at the passenger valve cover, right where the phaser is or the upper part of the timing chain cover. It is not a regular noise but an erratic one exactly as I said, like a piece of metal being tossed around at random. It started after I left my truck parked in my driveway for 4 days. It was a cold day in NY when I started the engine and I felt a weird noise. After that, this noise appeared. It will be present with the engine cold or hot. When I saw this video I though that maybe one of those roll pins came out and is being tossed around. Could this be the cause of the noise in my truck? By the way, much before that I plugged a scanner and I saw the passenger bank was retarded 20 degrees at iddle while the other was at zero. I have a pending code P0010.
I wish someone had told me to check the oil before diagnosing cam phaser problems. Once The crank case was full of good motor oil, the cam phasers started working perfectly. I didnt realize that the engine was low on oil and needed to be changed also. This caused the cam phasers to knock and rattle and I was about to spend $900 and my next couple weekends to change the timing set.
Thanks for the video I have a question is there any oil supposed to come out of the back of the cam phaser only at one point? Thanks again
Guys make sure you get oem ford parts, I put two sets of Dorman on before I learned. Its defiantly worth the extra nickel.
Thanks. Changed out passenger side still making noise at hot idle. Going to change the driver's side
Brian, what would cause the return spring to break? I just had this happen to me on the drivers bank.
Thanks Brian ... Awesome series of videos. I need HELP with 2005 F150 5.5L 3V Phasor. Watched all your videos and am changing all of the timing components. I ordered two genuine Ford timing parts and phasers. One arrived OK and the second arrived in three pieces!!! Reluctor, spring and sprocket assembly. Snow is on its way and I am screwed unless I can put this second phaser back together ASAP. I have positioned the spring correctly but am not sure where to position the reluctor base into the square spring end and how many turns to rotate it so the reluctor ends up in the correct position. Cant afford to get this wrong and put the engine back together.
Your videos are great and you have so much knowledge with the timing system on this engine. I pulled up to a stop one day and the engine was shaking erratically and caused the cabin to shake as well. Have you ever seen a case where the phasers would be at fault for this symptom? This only occurs when the oil starts to get hot when you drive it for a while. It’s is also gaveling symptoms of roughy idle and you can smell the fuel being burned which I’m assuming is poor fuel economy. Please help I’ve looked all over and I’m just not sure about this one. Replaced the plugs and vct solenoids. Also there is a code coming up for a rich bank 1 would a phaser be to blame for that as well?
Fordtech, i have watched most of your cam phaser vids. Thanks. I had my engine rebuilt at 145k. After market parts but melling pump. Ran poor when i got it back, replaced vct solenoids w oem ford and it has run well for about 20k miles. I am at 195k now, i put new oem chain guides and tensioners...still stalls at lights. What are your thoughts on phaser lock out? I am not convinced ford phasers will solve this now terribly discouraging motor issue.
5 years later, I'm back here ma man. I still have the same 2008 GT. Tried to go out to McDonald's yesterday morning and the engine cold started just fine, then random started running super rough as I was exited my drive way and engaging my clutch at low rpm. My engine has 210k miles and I have retimed it twice, replacing chains, sprockets, phasers, vct solenoids, but I have never replaced all lash adjusters or followers (only a couple that have failed followers here and there) so I wonder if thats it. Timing chains and guides look fine from looking down from the top of the engine (valve covers removed). I hope I didn't spin a bearing or have a follower bend a valve or something crazy. Or maybe my car just had an electrical issue and went into limp mode. Not sure but I'm still doing some diagnostic tests. I'm about to use the follower tool to pull out all 24 followers and inspect them. I'll also check the lash adjusters. If its bottom end stuff, I might have to take it to a mechanic
your videos are awesome dude ! i really appreciate your channel very informative !
Thank you so much for the informative video, I have 2012 ford expedition 5.4L, mileage is 200KM.
It has the P0024 code with "check engine on" for over 2 years now, I have changed the The Oil Control Valve (OCV) to the bank 2, but it did not fix the P0024 code. do you think using the "Cam Phaser Lockout" can fix the problem.
note1: there is no knocking noise sound, the sound of the engine is good.
note 2: mileage per hour is always around 12mpg.
note 3: I am using 5W30 full synthetic engine oil.
Thank you.
Really Awesome Video. couple questions - If someone did take all the screws off the reluctor ring, (1) is it hard to reset the phaser spring back in the housing? (2) Is there a special procedure to align the marks? lastly, if we look at the tone ring and gear sprocket locations - (3) how much off is allowed to "perfectly" aligning up the gear tooth to tone ring tab? Is there allowance at all when matching up the center of the gear tooth to center of the tone ring tab? The reason I ask that and I know that is a used phaser but when I look at the tab on the tone ring in the video, it didn't seem to align exactly with the center of the gear to the center of the tone rings tab.
Changed out passenger side cam phaser on my 2009 still making same noise. And changed cvt
Hey man, your videos are the best. I'll be in Chicago for work next spring. Wish I could take my truck out there from Denver. My question for you is and i may post this on multiple videos to hopefully hear back. Although i know your super busy and despite your best intentions you can't get back to everyone. Anyway my question is, i put 12v to both my VCT solenoids. When I put 12v to the drivers side the engine runs smoother although not perfect. Still doesn't sound right. When i put 12v to the passenger side VCT solenoid the engine runs worse and almost dies out. Can you tell which phaser has failed based on that diagnosis? To back up, my engine recently started running terrible on my way down from the mountains. Code said cam position sensors. Which obviously wasn't the problem. I changed them anyway and of course my engine still tumbles and misfires and nearly dies no matter what rpm i am at. Thanks for all the great videos and help. I love your channel the 5.4 engine and my Ford's. Thanks
Hey Brian do you know if Ford has improved the quality or design of this part?
I'd like to know as well. Is there an improved aftermarket piece available yet??
Thanks i pick about 1a year of those, maybe a year in Canada.Always makes me think of star trek and I wanted to open one to see what it looked like .
Could you please do a video on locking out the phasers from start to finish..I've seen other people do it but don't trust them
I will never use them.
I've heard of people "blocking out" the cam phasers. It's suppose to keep them at base timing and give these engine more longevity and of course horsepower would suffer. It requires programming of course. How do you feel about this procedure?
Im having issues with the phasers a mechanic recomended me this procedure of blocking , did you did something similar, or do you have more info on this ?
Will the chatter happen because of weak springs? All else is good
Is this the same cam phaser design for the new ecoboost 3.5 and 2.7's? I wonder if we will see the same issues with the newer trucks
Is there a way this can delete or a some kit for “fixed position”??
If I'm planning of locking out the phasers, do you recommend using aftermarket phaser?
I'm in the process of doing the phasers now and I have the old one from the driver side in front of me. The center tab that aligns with the L is slightly right of the L. The left edge of the tab is perfectly aligned with the L. My question Is, is that correct? Because the new ones are the same way. Just wondering if that's right or if the center tone ring should be directly centered to the tooth. Just dont want to put in defective parts. Any insight from anyone that knows would be helpful. Btw the old one I took out was either an original or one of the older parts. No R on it! But I have an 04 with 200 on it! so it could have been done once before. FordTechMakuloco I watch alot of your videos and have learned a ton about my motor. Thanks for the info. Keep doing the good deed man!
You seem to know lots about these engines. Thanks for all the info. I have a recurring miss on mine. Is there a common cause there with these engines?
Is the phaser in the link still the latest version? Just wanna make sure I'm buying the latest and greatest.
You said can be used left or right… so those 3 tone rings for timing mark doesn’t matter for the right side has 2 you said can be used for the other side?????
I replaced a cam on my 5.4l. When I put in the new bolt and tightened it the last 90 degrees the cam rotated slightly. So I had to tighten a little more. When I did, it gave way slightly feeling like the bolt was failing. The engine runs fine and is quiet. Have you ever felt this when changing this bolt?
Thanks for the videos.
Completed my timing job by following your videos. First problem I had was my truck would shut off at stops. And then I developed a knock. I removed the valve cover and Phaser on that side and found my new oem Phaser broke. I reinstalled one of my ld phasers in and the knock came back while doing the idle relearn. Any ideas.
I was told by dealer when I bought my 09 Mustang GT to use 5-30 synh oil its better for cam phasers and thus engine then the 5-20 you agree?
That’s causes Ruff idle and makes the vehicle stall and shut off right I have this issue on my mustang if I take a little longer can it damage my motor
great videos! I have a 2008 Ford Expedition. I have changed the camp phasers, timing belts, oil pump, vct, tensioners and changed the oil. Runs good but knocking noise has not gone away. it's louder when it's on low idle. Any idea what else I can do to fix it?
So I'm new to all of this "cam phaser" stuff, and most certainly NOT very mechanically inclined. I'm looking at a used 2005 f150 FX4, with the 5.4L. Dealer says that they have "fixed" the cam phaser issue (first time I'd ever heard the phrase, which led me to your video on RUclips!)...what should I be looking for when I look at the truck? What questions should I ask him about the "fix"? Thanks in advance for any reply!! :-)
I never have the facer in my hands to see if the tone rings rotate if can be used on the right hand side the has 2 tone rings!!!
Brian, is there a way to pull off and put on the brake booster vacuum tube that connects to the back of the intake manifold without pulling the intake? This tube made it a real PITA pulling the driver side VC. With this tube in the way I found it easier to pull the passenger side VC without discharging the AC. 2007 F150 5.4
I know you always recommend the Ford OEM, but where i live i can't easily get them. How about Melling? I believe they are an OEM supplier to Ford anyway. thanks
Can u put in some phaser lock out on a bad phaser??
What about locking the phasers?
In my truck I have a timing gauge. My timing bounces around all over the place, going anywhere from +3 to +18 at idle, I'm assuming this isn't normal. Is this a definite sign of the phasers about to go out? VCT solenoids recently failed on both sides and were replaced, this timing issue has been happening for months. Thanks for the input
Fordtechmakloco what do u think about adding lock outs to the phasers
I need to know as well
I haven't torn my engine apart yet, but I have replaced both camshaft sensors. It runs GREAT for about half an hour then it starts idling rough again. Sensor one ,(left one) had oill on it, sensor 2 (right one) was clean. Blown Gasket? It was burning rubber when I first replaced the sensors. Now its losing power. I also have a Performance chip installed in it, I just installed it to see if it would help with the power output. Any suggestions? I really don't want to tear part my engine because I need my truck for work, I am a contractor, I'd put it in the shop but I'm afraid it'l going to cost me an arm and a leg and I'd possibly have to loan my wife out for a few hours, but that alone should allow me to keep my arm and leg, considering she's a 9.8/10.
Getting a hard raddle at startup, do the phasers rattle hard or soft tick when they go bad?
That is probably the timing chain and their guides and tensioners if you hear a rattle for 3 seconds or less. They quiet down when the oil starts flowing. My Mustang does it with no problems. Eventually you may need to replace the timing chain guide and tensioners, Ford made them out of plastic for my Mustang for some reason. They will get worn out faster if you run your car low on oil for a long while.
I notice you have a link to amazon for the Dorman Cam Phasers.
So you are ok with Dorman Phasers?
Thanks for your time and Videos.
Trev
No. Doorman is garbage.
Hi Brian .. thanks for your video I did everything according to your videos. I have a 5.4 triton but I used the locking kit of kinda triangler shaped pegs that fits between the spines. I was just wondering if there's a difference weather or not the locks are put into the left side of the spine or the right side ? Reason is because I did everything required as per changing the camshaft and position sensor and I also made sure it was secured properly, but I'm still getting P0011-FF and P0021-FF and it idles ruff and I get power loss as , And has a high smell from the exhaust system.
If the phasers fail will it cause a bank to drop out on relative compression? And or /cause a crank no start condition?
Hay thank for the info on them phafers I got to save my money now.but you think it b wise if I replace the tenchenier and the guides.i don't know if that failed since I have it apart that is??
I have a similar problem with a 4.6 3v and cannot pinpoint the source of my problem... I'll be short and to the point, my problem is rattling under the timing cover, pulled valve covers and right bank chain was flopping around. When cranked over manually the chain will tighten then loosen. Cam phasers look ok from a visual standpoint. Has anyone ever run into this? The other thing I notice that I feel is worth mentioning is that driver side bank has normal oil staining on cylinder head etc for having 130k, passenger side looks clean like almost new.... any help would be appreciated as I'm fairly stumped.
if you use the lockouts does your truck have to be reprogramed? will this bypass the vct soid. in the valve sovers?
True or False. I have heard that Ford has a different design phaser, possibly used on other engines ?
Hey Makuloco! thanks for all the info you provide, I'm Auto Tech as well , but i has being working with German Cars for long time, question is there a way to fix the cam phasers? thank you!
Hey man are you MA
If the cam phaser is bad can it throw off the timing?
hello i have 2007 for mustang 4.6 did almost everything to it. my phasers are after market auto zone. i'm still getting timing codes p0022 and 12 timing retarded. only when warmed up and under load. soon and i give it little gas engine feels like it will fall apart. Any tips thanks either way. and thanks for the great videos.
Do you recommend changing both phasers if only one is bad? And aslo when do you recommend putting in the melling oil pump?
Oh yes for sure.
@@FordTechMakuloco when do you recommend putting the melling oil pump on ? My expedition is making the same sound consistent with a phaser knock but it starts as soon as engine turns on
Replace it whenever you do a timing job.
Do you ever perform a locking up the phasers?
never
you cant slack on oil changes with these engines..ive got a 08 and have never had an issue. use the correct weight.
Could a persistent p0340 & p0344 code signal an issue with the phaser? Alternator & both sensors replaced at dealer and they checked all wiring and cannot figure out why it's still throwing these codes.
I tried to install one of these on a ford 5.4. I went to 30 ft lbs, then 90°.. I made it 45° and the tone ring snapped right off. Cheap Dorman crap. I didnt even do anything wrong. It was lined up straight and everything, it just failed on me HARD.
That's why you don't use the Dorman parts.
@@countryjoe3551 Exactly. Only Ford knows how to make these right. I warned my foreman before I started, tried installing cam followers and somehow broke and dropped a valve down a cylinder. And the piston was almost at BDC, so it didnt hit that. I dunno. I'm confused. Now I'm cleaning the head and my boss hands me a 60 grit Roloc pad to clean the head surface. Uggghhh 🤦♂️He is an idiot, I'm an intermediate mechanic.. so since he doesn't know how to do the job he pushes it on me. And I make $15/hr.
I'm throwing in the towel on this motor, new oil pump,timing set,phasers,VCT solenoids, it was quiet for a month then started to gradually rattle on start up and now when it gets warm it retards itself and dies at idle. My first ford and it's a junker.
Hello, I have a problem with a 2008 F150 5.4L 3V. First problem, when in cold and starting the motor sound a chain noise, the technician said that is a CHAIN TENSIONER on the passenger side. Second problem, it thrown a P0022 code (INT CAM POSITION TIMING OVER RET BAN 2), its misfiring the passenger side and the technician said maybe is a phaser... The truck was repaired of a time chain kit 2 months ago... those problems I have sounds awful and the motor starts to vibrate... I saw a lot of videos on youtube that adjudicates the problems to VCT Solenoids... and maybe could be those, but I´m not sure... What do you think? Could those Phaser Locks help to solve my problems??? For what are those made for??? What are they improvement for the motor or what is the benefits? Hope you can help me with this!! Thank you!
Hi Sir I got a 2010 Ford F-150 The problem is in this truck when the engine gets hot the engine shaking and it is not running perfectly so I watched your video about This problem and I replaced the two timing Phaser and timing kit I bought it from Ford dealer with two solenoid all of them from dealer but it is still the same when Engine gets hot Engine shaking And also before when I want to change the timing kids I change the oil 2 times and I put BG on the oil and I flushed it.Can you help me what should I do right now? If you can I appreciate it.Thank you.
Sorry my English writing is not good I hope you understand what I mean. thank you again
Is it possible to just swap the phasers for a pair of solid cam gears?
Do you happen to have specs on type of steel used and dimensions of the fins? It wouldn't be hard at all to make new fins if that is the primary internal failure point. Unless, they take out the groove they ride in. Then, it might not be a viable option.
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I have a 2003 5.4 and to my understanding that's a 2v motor. But it has the symptoms of a failing cam phaser. Starts that tapping or ticking noise once the engine is hot, doesn't make a sound when it's cold. Any ideas??
2008 F150, 5.4 4x4. When downshifting from overdrive going up a grade, I get what seems like a backfire out of the exhaust. I'm stumped, unless some of the anti-seize got into the electrodes of the sparkplugs when I changed them. it seems like a secondary ignition problem, but I thought I'd ask. could a failing phaser exhibit similar symptoms?
I replaced the timing chains, phasers, guides and crank gear on a 2007 ford expedition. The job was quite simple thanks to your video. after installation was complete the truck cranks up fine idles fine and drives with no issues however it runs for about 30 min then starts running rough and dies. it will not crank up after that. it turns over and acts like it is out of time. i can let it sit for a couple of hours and then it will crank up and run fine again. the is no check engine light or codes. I have changed the cam position senors out, this has me and my mechanic stump. just wondering if anyone has had this issue.
thanks
Hi. Thanks for video, but do you know a torque, of 5 torx screw. Need assembly phaser back.
thanks in advance, looking forward to your next video.
thank you very help ful i liked your video. it answer some of my doubts that i had. thank you very much.
Can a bad cam phaser cause a misfire I’m the 5.4 triton ? I just had my could m plugs replaced a few months back. Now I have another misfire
Hey Brian, I am rebuilding my entire timing setup (with the help of your videos, YOU ARE **THE** MAN), however, I am also installing phaser lockouts with a custom tune. Should I replace my VCT solenoids even though the lockouts will theoretically render them useless? Or should I replace them since I'll be in there?
+Kasey Rienstra if you suspect they are stuck the yes still change them
I believe one or both sticks occasionally. It will chug, sputter, and it sounds exactly like the truck you demonstrated in your "sticking VCT" video. I also have chain noise on startup, so it's getting the whole nine yards, Melling 10340 pump included. I really can't thank you enough for all your help, I feel like we all owe you more than a few beers!
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My 07 5.4 triton 5.4 3V XLT won’t go over 3000RPM n barley over 15mph what could that be?
5.4 and 4.6 use the same phasers?
I've changed both phasers, both chains, both tensioners, oil pump and both VCT solenoids on my 06 f150 5.4. My truck will start and run fine but as soon as I accelerate, my truck will die at idle. Any idea what's causing this?
so i just bought a set of camshaft phasers i talked to a mechanic and he stated that there was a new style of phasers with a new design that make them not be able to be noisy. like the oem ones that end up clicking any insight on or what they did to fix them.
+MrSeductive1234 I have no idea what he is talking about unless he can give me specifics.....
Some people hate on Ford, but I'm not phased !
What do you think about putting in a Cam Phaser Lockout
Never
If the cam phasers go out will the engine light come on ?
Would these cause the ticking noise? It is common all over youtube 05 mustang gt ticking noise
Thanks for the video by the way. Getting ready to tackle that dreaded timing on the 05 5.4. What are the best can phasers out there and do you recommend cloyes timing kit
off the subject dp ypu have a video of DTC P0125? i can t sem to rid the mil light replaced coolant sensor, thermostat, topped of rad, and still same code appears.
what is vvt base timing?
Thank you for that excellent explanation. Thumbs up!
How do you feel about cam phaser lockout kits such as those made by Livernois Motorsports? Is this a good long term solution to cam phaser issues or would you suggest replacement?
+KlueBat I suggest phaser replacement other have tried and had concerns with power and or fuel economy then end up going back to stock.
1st off great job on your videos FordTechMakuloco this as well as your other videos are great and helpful videos. If you have a engine that has been poorly taken care of and has timing failure from crap oil this video will sure help.. A good long term solution is stop using crap oil. There are lots of these trucks with a half a million miles and more on them that have never been apart but each one of them use good oil. Then there are folks who insist on running Poison oil and put chains and tensioners and phasers in them every 60k to 80k. almost every oil you see on Tv will give you timing problems with these engines and they cost more than good oil lol they get you lured in with there tv commercials. I can only think of 3 brands of oils you see on Tv that are mid range oils and don't make buildups in your engine and Poison is not one of them how ever it keeps folks buying parts every 60k lol.pretty much if you have a timing problem under 500k your running crap oil that spends its $ on advertising not oil quality now think of what that oil is doing to the rest of the engine your fuel economy the list goes on. And they bend these folks over with a smile every oil change some every 3k miles so bad that these folks tell there friends how great the product is and even sport stickers in there windows. And Ford sits back and laughs thinking great keep running that oil we will sell you parts for life. Ford built the consumer a engine that will last a million plus miles untouched and the consumer blotched it up by running junk oil in it it even makes me laugh you can google Million Mile Gasoline Engine Teardown yet not many folks do.
what oil do you recommend?
Are the 2006 explorer 4.6 3v phasers different because when I look up your # on amazon and enter 06 exploder it says does not fit my vehicle.
P00021 P00011 ? Could those codes be related to the phasers ??
What do I look for on a cheap phaser to a good phaser ?