Ford 5.4L 3v Triton Engines: Two of The Most Commonly Misdiagnosed Noises!
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- In this video we explain two very common engine noises associated with the Ford 5.4L 3v engines.
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You did the full timing, oil pump, roller followers on my 04'. Amongst other things over the last few years. 50k miles after the timing, truck still runs perfect. Thank you for being so good at what you do!
How much was all that work? Mine is starting to make funny noises!
My 2010 Ford F150 making a noise like this. Wonder what cost of timing job
Where is he located
The Melling high volume oil pump makes a big difference....and it's not expensive
Chicago@@TheChrismigz222
Brian your dedication is admirable, still making videos on the 5.4 after all these years
There are so many still on the road. I have 2014 exp with 190k burns no oil no noises. Only replaced belts and pulleys
I mean why wouldn't he? It's still paying the bills haha
I still have my 2004 with 370,000 miles. Replaced engine at 240,000 due to timing chain Rapid Unplanned Disassembly.
Great channel.
@@jasonlarsen3515 ditto! 2011 Navigator here w/140k miles. Change the oil every 3-4k and runs like a champ. Best value car I’ve owned will keep running it more reliable than 90% of the turbo made junk out there today
It’s because Ford produced millions of these engines since o3-04.
I bought a 2004 Lariat for $500 because "it needed a new motor" and fixed the motor following FTM's videos. I can't thank him enough.
I've been saying this for years. My wife says people don't want to know the details why their engine is making a noise. They just want it fixed. I'd say 95% of owners that go to the dealer or another shop instantly get told they need a new engine. I've lost business from telling people it just needs a timing set and an hv oil pump because they've been convinced by the other 3 shops that the engine is bad. I get told I don't know what I'm doing and no way I'm working on their vehicle. Just irritating when I hear someone say they spent $8k plus getting a new engine. Wish I could convince people to hand over money like that.
A couple of years ago, doing 5.4 3v timing jobs was my bread and butter. I still have several sitting that just need a timing set, from the owners insisting on a new engine. Shops don't have mechanics with experience to know what the issue is, so they just say needs a new engine. And shops go with the flow with other shops to make more money. Meaning, when a customer says the other shop said they need an engine, they say yep, it does.
I believe the 5.4 3v got a bad reputation for a few reasons. One, lack of maintenance or improper maintenance. Two, mechanics/shops shaking their head and saying needs a new engine. Three, people hearing stories about how bad their engine is.
Dude 5.4 3 valve is a horrible engine. MACK says so himself in a lot of these videos
@Johnson Bobo The 5.4 3v may be worse than other Ford engines in some opinions, but every one of them I've had has lasted over 200k. I can't say that for other engine brands. If they are properly maintained, they usually give a full service life. I don't work on just Fords. I work on anything that comes in the door, and that includes Dodge, Chevy, Honda, Toyota, BMW, VW, Peterbuilt, Cat, etc. Also Briggs and straton, tao tao, and anything else.
With all the hauling I do, the engine that caused the least issue was the 5.4 3v. In the military, I worked on mainly diesels, and I'd much rather work on a 3v than pretty much any other engine. To me, they are easy and not complicated at all. I never said he is wrong. I just know I use to do timing sets on them pretty often for customers, and everyone has told me they didn't have any other issues other than the filter adapter leaking, which was an easy fix also.
A timing set doesn't make an engine the worst one out there. And Ford is having issues with timing components just like every other manufacturer is. Timing jobs are apart of maintenance. I still have several 3v's myself that run fine with over 240k miles. I can't say that for anything else I've owned, and I currently have over a dozen personal vehicles of different makes sitting here.
I'm in the middle of a timing job on my 2005 5.4 3v with 240k miles. This is the first time its been done. I'm hoping for another 100k. Thank you for your dedication on educating everyone on this engine.
My 04 FX4 is sitting at 463,000kms and still going strong. Full timing was done around 220,000kms so you should have no issues getting another 200,000 miles out of your engine as long as you run full synthetic 5W30 P platinum high mileage and change every 5k miles or so 🙂
@@Powerstroke431 thanks for that tip. I’m buying my uncle’s 2008. He’s taken good care of it, only 135,000 miles. He only wants $4k, so I couldn’t turn it down. Have you done any upgrades such as oil pump? I want to address the weak points before I start driving it.
@Orange Manok no, oil pump is still stock. Install an external oil pressure gauge and if your hot idle oil psi is below 20 then upgrade, but if around 20 the engine should be fine as long as you use full synthetic 5w30, use motorcraft oil filters and change both every 5k miles.
@SaltLife you couldn't be more wrong....nor do I live or drive in a cold climate. I trust his expertise and my truck runs just fine... Everyone's receipe isn't the same. I truly expect another 200,000 from this engine!
@@orangemanok5800 Brian has recommended if/when you do the timing etc. to upgrade to a high volume oil pump. Perhaps he has changed his thinking on this but IDTS. He has a video to this effect somewhere on his channel. If he sees this maybe he'll link that. IMHO the cost for a high volume pump isn't that much more than a regular one so why not? If you take care of it you'll get a ton of miles from the engine. GL...nice of your uncle to give you a deal:).
I’ve had phaser”knock” for several years now on my 2006 Lariat with 270,000 miles. I think have detected the second sound as you said easing along in a drive thru. It’s a long trip from southwest Alabama to your place Brian. I guess I need to find a local guy that has some semblance of your knowledge and ability. Thanks for the info as always.
Follow his series of posted videos on this engine. They’re very insightful regarding using the Melling oil pump and OEM parts. We just did one in our shop with 205k. Owner was very happy with results and an extended life for his ‘09 F-150
Follow his series of posted videos on this engine. They’re very insightful regarding using the Melling oil pump and OEM parts. We just did one in our shop with 205k. Owner was very happy with results and an extended life for his ‘09 F-150
@@jamram9924 Thanks. I’ve watched every video he’s ever made period, not just those on the 5.4 3v. I went to 5W30 years before I found his channel. Biding my time on when and what to do. I have a local mechanic who is a former Ford dealership guy and I’m going to confer with him.
it's funny, I rarely see videos on the older 2 valve tritons except for sparkplug threads. I'm hanging on to my old 2 valve for as ling as it will run....
It's a shame there isn't more techs like you, we could use you on the Gulf Coast, for sure.
One can live comfortably on the earnings of repairing these 5.4 3-valve timing jobs. 🤣
Dude I’m shaking my head in agreement with you like we talking in person. Great camera interaction😂
I now what's cause it is 5W20 Water
Ya I put 10 40 in mine…. It doesn’t stop the noise it helps though
I have an '06 F-150 5.4 Triton 3 valve 200,000 mi I've been running 2050 for the last $150,000 mi year round and I don't have any of these problems full synthetic by the way it's purring.
5w20 or 5w30?
Good morning Brian has usual always great watching your video and learning in the process.Peace n Love bro ..
Your community is lucky to have you as their mechanic. From Deep South Texas.
Hole the line...i mean border lol
Thanks for these videos. It really helps to explain the things that I need to look out for with our truck! I believe we have a little of that phaser knock going on with ours but it’s nice to know that I don’t need to be horribly concerned about it. Thankfully we got an extended warranty with ours that specifically covers the timing system. We are at 95k miles and our warranty is good for another 40k miles or 4 years. We got a second car for commuting too so it’s most likely gonna go the full 4 years. God Bless!
Thank you Brian! Your videos are gold and your simplified explanations are amazing. God bless you.
Car Wizard should watch this, he's of the opinion every 5.4 3v needs to be replaced.
I’m glad I found your video’s...there very helpful. I’m a Audi VW mechanic that’s considering doing a timing chain job for my neighbor lady. I’m on the fence about taking on this job cause I’m not sure what the total labor time’s are&she’s a single mom that doesn’t have extra money to spend. Please lmk a aprox labor time&what brand of timing kit you use. I really appreciate your time&video’s. Aloha from Hawaii🤙🏽
what is your expert opinion on phaser lockout kits?
with new high flow oil pump
There is science behind auto repair, not just freaking changing parts and calling ourselves mechanics. Great video and well explained. I am ford all the way
This is exactly what’s happening to my 07 5.4 5:24
So happy we are getting these videos on the 5.4 3V still. My 2010 is at 257,000km with lots of short trips since I work 8km from home. Parts are still original and engine is running perfect and quiet. Think this summer I will replace the rocker followers to the new ones with the smaller hole. Don’t want to push my luck.
The problems only occur in 2004-2008 models. I think 2009+ are better engines.
My 06 is still going strong, thank you Brian for all the informative videos, I have gained substantial knowledge about this engine, and can be aware of issues before they become costly. (specifically..more costly than they have to be)
How many miles you got on yours? I've got an 06 as well
one day i will take my mustang to you your the man 2014 v 6 miss at idle not bad but annoying
so if I have the second of these (stumbling at low rpm / high load) with some noise and ticking at start up... is that more likely solved by a high volume oil pump to get better pressure at low rpm, or more like a timing job needed? TIA
I have a 07 F-150 Harley Davidson with one of the 711 made with the Saleen supercharger option. 86k on the clock, only 10k from when I bought it coming up on 4 Y. A. Any added precautions with the super charger. I am so damn afraid of the valve train and phasers. I live way to far away from you but mass respecs. I run Royal Purple 10w/40 high street performance full syn. I changed ALL the fluids when I bought including Saleen super charger oil. light darkening when drained. Aux. Trans cooler and after cooler. All the fluids is my standard on used. I did plugs and coils. front suspension.
My 09 has the same knock but the truck shakes normally coming to a light. If you give it a slight Rev about 1500 1800 rpm it will stop n is fine maybe for a day or next time I let off. Some days it never does it some days very time I let off the gas. No start up knock it has me confused.
Thanks for your videos. You are very helpful
Blah blah you need to change the phasers and put the new components and the updated solenoids then bam sounds amazing after. Great job 😅
not the point of the video.
Thanks to you, just completed the full timing job on my 07 f150. Ford everything , except Melling oil pump. Also did all lash adjusters & all followers. Also p/s pump & hoses, intermediate steering shaft. 192,000 miles & everything was original. Going for the long haul! Was not cheap, but w prices these days, I'm keeping it going! Thank you again! Btw, been using Mobil 1, 0w40 for the last 75k, and this engine loves it!
0W40? that works? my 04 Lariat is at 237,000 miles... and I live in the high desert in So CA. think that would work??
@@Butchcub75 definitely!
Hey
FordTechMakuloco , great stuff . Have you come across one of these 5.4 l 3 valve engines with p0420 , can't get engine light to go out or this code to go away. The cat's & o2sensors replaced . Fuel trims maxed out minus on bank one but bank 2 is normal. The engine light will go out at times on long trips. Had it to a very reputable shop here an they can't get it to go away permanently. ?
You might have an exhaust leak throwing of your o2 readings. After I replaced my manifolds the p0420 never came back
Very well explained video! A lot more people need to see this. So many people in the world are just clueless...
My knock goes away once I step on the gas.
Sounds like a clacking Diesel engine.
I have this sound on my 2000 F-150 4x4 V8. What needs to replaced to get rid of the sound? It’s super embarrassing.
I like to use 0w16 oil to keep them quiet.🤪
My 2006 F250 has 103,000 miles, just did the VCT solenoids. It’s running awesome and sounds better 🎉🔧🇺🇸👍
What mileage do you recommend a timing job on the 5.4L 3V? A mechanic at my dealership recommends 100k miles!
yup, same question, or do you drive it till you hear it
Look up his series of videos on the 5.4 3 valve engine. You’ll find them very informative. Our shop has done this job before and followed his recommendations and used all OEM parts except for the Melling HO oil pump. Last customer had 198,000 on his 2009 F-150. We replaced the rockers and lifters for a much complete result, the cams were fine. Customer was very happy!
I got 252,000 on mine. I just sold it but it needed the job done
I’m sure it has some to do with how you’re using your truck. It’s gonna vary
Brian. Been following you for a long time. Always wondered why your always against putting lockouts in the phasers, been running that set up in my truck for 10 years with no problems??? Just curious that's all
I never know what to think of these 5.4 engines. 😂. These videos make them look like the worst engine ever. There are millions of these engines on the road still and they haven’t put one in an f150 in 13 years. So Maby there are just 2 groups of owners. Ones that do maintenance and ones that don’t!! By the way I’ve got this engine in my 2008 plow truck with 235,000 miles and it still runs. It is getting more noisy but I think rust will take the truck before I ever crack the engine open!!! Great videos
My 5.4 made it to 297k on all factory internals. Roller follower seized..killed the block. Here's hoping the reman lasts a while. Number 8 exhaust valve dropped
All I know I change my 08 oil every 3k with full synthetic 5w-30 hopefully reach 300k with no problem!
You mentioned you have a video on stalling out. Could you help to find that video. I think this may be my issue. You do such a great job and I like to watch your channel. Thanks for your great content. Keep up the great work you do.
Mine is doing the exact same thing. No problems whatsoever. Then driving about 35 mins to an hr the engine just dies and won't restart for 5 minutes or so
I would like to see that video also. Mine is doing the same thing. I would like to know what repairs are required.
Is there any credible way to change the vct to a fixed cam timing for work trucks? Who needs this vct crap anyway?
Brian, you're the guru of the 5.4 3 valve... thanks for helping us!
Brian , I see your channel has grown now to an amazing 731K subscribers ……… me being one of them !
It Discovery’s and Motor Trend loss that they haven’t approached you to air your presentations on a larger platform.
Their Loss !
Enjoy all you do, wish I was closer to the shop !
On another note I have 2 ford engines a 1965 289 & a 2003 Mustang Gt 4.6 L
Would like your autograph on the valve covers !
Enjoyed the video, well done.
On another note, I have an 09 f150 4.6l , and my tpms is faulting, can this be programmed out of existence or am I stuck repairing the sensor problem Thanks. Howie
It can be programmed out, but a ford dealership will never do it. ( liability and breaking fed law ).
You can get 4 sensors from Bezos for 60$ ( MoreSensor is the brand I used ).
I bought a module a couple years ago, turned it on and threw it in my glove box. My TPMS light has been off ever since. I can't remember the exact name and Somebody drove my car today sorry. Just search "TPMS bypass" it's a small black box with a blue label
I have the warm Idol tick. Only 60k on the odometer. Done the complete timing with up graded parts and mellings 340 hv pump. None of my parts had any noticeable wear so I think it was all for naught. Super clean engine so I think it’s the exhaust manifold. I’m still happy I did the work myself on it. I does idol smoother. But the noise is still there. I’ll now drive it till it drops and ignore the noise. These 5.4s are not as bad as they say. I’ll take one over a multi displacement engine . Possibly a turbo as well.
Hey FordTechMakuloco ! -Just dropping in this youtube post of yours to say thanks for your videos on the ford escape hybrid, which I own; saved me a lot of frustration and work on my end. I'm not a big you tube watcher so wont subscribe; but cannot thank you enough for your ford escape hybrid videos !
Great video 👌🏾
I just bought an 06, and it has these exact noises, along with trying to die at low rpm after it's hot. Runs like a champ for like 10 miles, then as soon as it heats up, dies if I lift foot off the pedal. I just ordered all the parts Brian advised, will try to do this job this week.
Have you seen any of the new 'Godzilla' 7.3 engines dying from low quality lifters and cams? I've been seeing lots of videos on that lately. Seem to be failing around 30k and some way less than that.
I want to thank you sincerely for your help from the complete walk through videos you posted as I just completed the timing rebuilt. All new components including oil pump upgrade and all new oem valve train components. Adjusters, followers fasers, selinoids, plugs, coils ,chains, guides and chains. It was a real task but well worth it. You are a real gem and I really appreciate you. Started it up this morning and sounds like a brand new engine. More oil pressure, power and responsiveness.
Thank You Soo much.
Leon Wellwood
Hey man! Good morning and thumbs UP!
Alot of bad gossip about the 5.4 L from youtubers but from what you say its not bad. At what point though do you replace the engine?
This is exactly what going on with my 08 5.4 F-150. When it warms up, at idle it has that slight knocking noise, and only when its warm. . It is annoying but its good to hear it s not necessarily the end of the world. lol
This is the single most helpful diagnostic video I've seen yet. And you describe and show the sounds exactly. My 08 5.4 with 280k miles is making those exact noises, especially in the summer. I'm in the process of getting enough parts together to build a longblock to replace my engine using the links you have provided in several other of your videos.
I have two questions if you'd be willing to answer with your opinion.
1. In a completely fresh engine with the melling pump, do you still recommend the 5w30 oil?
And 2. Do you have a recommended source for new, bare, head castings with the 12mm plugs? You do a great job helping so many of us out. Thank you!
Any updates on your project?
@yiction Got the shortblock assembled. It's. 030 over, had to go .010 under on the crank to get good bearing clearances. Have Comp xe253 cams for it, and went with new, aftermarket bare head castings off ebay. I ordered the full timing kit recommended by Fordtechmakuloco along with the updated roller followers. Still have to assemble the top end yet though.
I know this is a long shot. I had these noises or sounded just like that. (Like a diesel knock) But when I changed plugs to Motorcraft from the E3 one someone else put in. The sound all but disappeared. Any ideas why?
In addition to my previous post, my engine has 235,000 miles and the oil and filter changes have been done faithfully.
I guess they say "Ahhh, it's just my truck going through a phase"...LOL 🙂
What's a normal injector sound like? I think my injectors are just loud, but I don't think it's a knocking
Your info relived stress about my truck and was very informative on what to look for.
Thankyou
Hi Bryan. Mine has the second symptom. Where after hot it throws errors P0012, P0022, P0300, P0303, P0305, P0340, P0344, P0345 and P0349. Whenever I clean the computer errors and go for a ride, once got the P0012 and P0022 are the first to come up. Would you be able to point me to one of your videos of what is the repair that I should do? I just bought this truck, 2010 F150 Lariat with 200k miles, paid really cheap and want to fix it. Thx!!
I rarely see the 5.4 roll into my bay anymore. The area you live in must be vastly different than mine. Ill definitely say you have that engine figured out.
Im not sure i understand your response. Im a dealer tech in ohio. Enjoybyour videos.
Thank you so much for your videos and taking the time to explain things. I wish you were closer I would love to have you listen to my truck. 09 F250 with 153K automatic. Only at hot idle. I didn't learn from the last F350 with 218K on it, it had phaser issues which I solved by installing new ones with the lock outs. This one may be headed the same way before I send it to sale.
Your the best mechanic to go though the time to explain everything in complete detail knowing the time it takes to own a shop I Appreciate it
I think you have bigger problems, there is a tire pressure sensor fault!
I have 2004 5.4 3v when it goes in overdrive it starts shuttering. Number 7 keeps misfiring and I've changed plugs, coils, injector and both connectors. I'm totally stumped and need some help please.
I came out the store and a 5.4 started. It's was click like crazy I told the guy it's a 5,4 ford. What do mean. The clicking. You will put time 2000$ in the front of the engine or more. He said it's bout it. I thought it the valves seal like a Chevy. I said. No no no. I said good luck. I said under my breath. Fuk FORD
I have fixed so many of these engines along with chevy dod systems it's crazy
My 2007 5.4L just started ticking as soon as I start it up and goes away after it’s warmed up or it’s been sitting in the heat for extended periods. What could it be? Has a diesel like sound.
Has anyone done the phaser delete kit? Does it run as well and is mpg affected?
Because of your channel I have steered completely clear of these 5.4 3 valve Triton engines/F-150 when I've had several opportunities to buy them on the cheap.......
Great choice
That's too bad. Did you see the video he just posted last week? Properly cared for these engines will last 300k--400k without any major issues barring the guides and timing stuff that he's outlined need repaired.
Always love and appreciate these 5.4 videos. Thanks for always making them for us!
5.4 3vs are total garbage just like most Ford engines over the last 20yrs. Yes, somebody's cousin had a 5.4 that had 200k with no problems but the vast majority of these engines were nothing but problems.
Makes me glad I got a 5L in my 2012 F-150. Keep up the good work, thanks much.
I have an 09 same motor
What if you hear it when you first start the truck? And still “knocks” when warm when idle or driving
I can rule out exhaust manifold as they were replaced
Only time I've got problems is when I'm at idle. New OEM timing components and all but it only happens when warm and at idle. Put it in neutral and raise RPMs up and release it all goes away.
So it's still happening with new components ?????????
So will that 2nd engine noise you described (timing related) set off any type of check engine light on dash?
2:15 so my 2004 is making this sound after 1000 miles on a cam phaser lock out/timing job when cold or hot…any ideas?
Neither of these noises are what I’m experiencing on my 09. Mine happens only for 10 seconds at start up.
I get really crappy gas mileage on my 5.4 could it be those phases or getting worn out and everything's not running efficiently?
this guy is great!! used his videos with great results!!! on my 07 Navigator
To be changing a engine on a 2017 Ford needs to step there game up.... Not to mention the labor involved to remove the engine i would never buy a FORD
Ok i got a question i have a 09 ford f150 4.6 liter with 293k miles and my engine does the same exactly thing , makes the same exact noise sometimes, latly it been doing it alot seems like especially since its so hot. But i took it to a auto shop , told the guy i need a timing chain he basically told me i need a need engine and he did not want to do a timing change cause he didn't want to make me spend all that money and if something else messes up and i need a new engine.
Ford knowingly saddled us with these defective engines. I’ll never buy another Ford again.
I believe I have this very same problem. Does this also cause the immediate response when switching to 4x4
You mentioned awhile back to switch to 5W-30 from the 5W-20 recommended for the 5.4 3V engine. My F150 is a 2004 new body style and has that phaser knock with my engine light on even after both of my VCTs were changed. Would changing my oil to the 5W-30 make a difference? I don’t remembering you mentioning anything about the higher viscosity in this video. Thanks
Make sure your oil pressure is good. Especially when hot
What injectors do you recommend on a 2001 ford f250 4x4 5.4l
I went to crank mimes if did a huged knock then it ran fine drove it home crunk it up the next day small tapping while driving
Do you have a rebuilt 5.4 w/4x4 transmission for sale? How much?
New friend sir. 😊😊
My 2007 F-150 5.4 has always had the phaser oscillation noise since I bought it with just over 40k. I've had an oil pressure gauge on it for years now and when it is "oscillating", the gauge shows a steady 40 PSI. In response to you saying it's because of a low oil pressure issue, I think that's strange because if that were true (in the case of my truck at least), I'd think it'd be a lot lower than that.
Sounds like a diesel 😳
it does, thats what i say as I have it on my 08 f-150, only when it warms up and at idle though.
@@PhilBender612 Just put a Power Stroke badge on the fender and call it a day💯🤣Seriously though thanks for the vid💯
@fordtechmaluloco are there known codes associated with these noises?
Really dont like the 5.4. Sell it and get a gm. You will be happy with reliability.
Already did a timing, job, tenoners, timing chain it costed 2,000
I got a noise jumpin. I think it’s the tensioners so far I only looked under once.
Got 293k on my engine and think i been driving it since like 230k with it making this noise
Nothing to do with...but mine has a noise on down throttle at about 2000 RPM