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Man o' man I'd love that in my '91 Fox. With my poor driving skills and ancient, rock hard tires, just think of the crowds I'd terrorize at my local Cars 'n Coffee!.
@@88_turbo_fox73 the average person can afford a lot of nice things if you have a decent job and don't saddle yourself with bad debt and other bad life choices.
@@downhilldaddy9346 I agree they could have turned it up to 50 psi and made 1000 hp but I was just poking fun at the show for making such a bold claim at the beginning and not delivering. Cheers!
Andrew Gallagher A hater will hate. And a dolt will stink. Perhaps you should do a show? You may want to tighten up your spelling and grammar before you have a go. It is quite infantile.
Johnathan Bachman , he was making light of the fact that this is a Summit advertisement. And your amateur psychological analysis shows that you go off half cocked and type before you think, and if you have the ability to reason?, do you?
older than you Cali Well Sir you have left no Doubt your I.Q. is between a rock and a plant. Sponsors, advertising and parts donation is why these programs are on television. If you or the other mental heavyweights do not like it turn it off or don’t watch. Posting your adolescent ignorance just proves you have no clue and enjoy trolling. The question good Sir is why would you leave no question your dealing with bad Meth habit. You post’s are seriously ignorant. Before you make anymore posts get your G.E.D. Ask your cell block officer how this can be accomplished.
stock Chevy blows apart at 300 hp so im guessing old Fords are good for 500 or so considering there;s nearly double the bolts on Ford...my old S10 with a mild 305 with about 275 hp used to eat oil pan gaskets
The cracks in the stock blocks actually develop opposite from what he said. They start at the mains and work up to the valleys before performing an impression of a banana split. Thats why the valley girdles developed for these blocks don't do jack.
@@bryanroupe8646 Block, lifters, pushrods, head bolts..and on and on.. Realistically speaking they've got 15 or 20k worth of new turbo engine, and less than four grand of it is "old" parts..
@@terrybaptist795 You can do it with a Ford Boss block too. Speed cost money that is not the time to cut corners. 300 hp N/A is plenty on the street. That said if you want to play in the big kids pool you better bring 500+ for 4 cylinders and 1000+ for V8's and larger, just the nature of things.
The scariest thing I've ever been in is an early 90's full cage mustang with a "twin" turbo 347. That thing put 1100 to the wheels on a bad day and I'm lucky to be here to tell you that kind of power has no place on the street! That car was just plain stupid powerful and ran 8.50's in the 1/4 mile. I can't remember the MPH, I just remember my fear factor every-time I got into that thing.... That car honestly scared the hell out of me!
600hp to the wheels in a fox body is rowdy on the street, assuming it still retains the chassis & suspension to be a nice driver and isn't predominantly a cantankerous track car. Such a setup on 295 drag radials won't hook up on every pavement surface until up into 3rd gear (3.73 rear gears). I think a lot of guys theorize and imagine how much excess they need and get carried away. Above the level I described, a 3200lbs Fox is really beginning to try to hurt you if some wise restraint isn't exercised. Busting tires loose at 60 mph can go bad really quickly
@@Resistculturaldecline: I don't remember the exact tire anymore, but skinnies up front and 10" in the rear. It was a built car, full cage, K member, frame connected, QA1 coilovers, ect. But yes, 3rd gear 60mph that thing just loved to go sideways! On the strip it would leave on 2 wheels, but on the street it always seemed like it was wearing 2 pairs of roller skates. It was a cool car, just friggin scary.
@@Finite-Tuning Sounds like probably a 275 tire, which isn't even beginning to hold back 1000+ hp, not even close. Like putting a bicycle tire on the rear of a Japanese sport bike
These guys need to watch Richard Holder's videos, he says build a good N/A motor then add boost, boost works no matter, I would of made it 10 to 1 then boost
if they had just replaced the block and added turbos it would have been a better build for sure. the new cam is very mild and it seems that they were only making 354 ft*lbs and 364 HP na with this combination.
Anthony Thomas my 93 now has 436hp* not 446hp on the dyno and 347hp at the wheels dynod. She’s a fun car can only imagine what 1,000hp on the dyno would be in a 3k pound car lol. I have every maximum Motorsports mid available now and she handles awesome. Would love to see how one of these Foxbody cars would do with this suspension work and that power. Super nice engine there
To leave those "gorilla glob" welds on that intake is a travesty. I'm all for helping the younger fellas (if you can find one that will actually work) learn and I certainly don't mind sharing knowledge and experience; BUT don't leave those welds like that! What you lack in welding ability, at least make up for it with grinding skills........ Good day
It would have been interesting to see how the manifold modified for efi and the throttle body worked on the first black and blue build before swapping to the Dart block and adding boost.
I mean...not hitting the number you were after is not a big deal when we are talking about missing it by 50 HP and TQ or somewhere around there. But Pat said he was looking for 1,000 HP AT THE WHEELS in his '63 Galaxie, so they were missing their desired number by about...THREE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER! They either had absolutely no idea what this kind of build would make and were just throwing out random dream numbers or something is seriously wrong with this build because that car is going to end up making AT BEST 700 at the wheels. Obviously that is nothing to sneeze at, but again, missing your number by at least 300 HP is a pretty significant miscalculation and the viewers (at least THIS viewer) would love to know why.
@@bigboreracing356 Nothing better than hopping down into the comments to catch some tech speak and realizing it's full of cock measuring contests. Put the f*cking rulers away and go print slips.
That 118 lsa and low compression is hurting the peak numbers. Both old school theories. At 10lbs of boost it barely made more power than the N/A version.
Uncle Tony's Garage and Nick's Garage for the old Mopars. Nick's garage will have more of a mix of muscle from all makes. Tony will surprise with something GM or Ford here and there. Both excellent channels. Ford guy but I watch other builds. Really got a kick out of Cleetus getting 1070 out of a GT500 engine. The Chevy engine I want to see is the 90-95 C4 ZR1 Lotus/Mercury engine in some kind of project. Someone had to have wrecked one. 375-425 NA
@@bigboreracing356 They are all good up to a point.....have run GM, Ford, and Mopar....you just gotta learn how to cuss in each language...GM, FORD, MOPAR...Keep the Faith
I would use Pennzoil 1000 times before I would use the royal purple junk they normally use. Still I wouldn't use ether one of them. Who knows maybe this new version of Pennzoil I the cats meow.
Not the biggest Pennzoil fan my self, But we just retired my uncles 1994 Olds Cutlass with 475k on the clock. He only used 10w40 Pennzoil conventional from day one.
Here I am running a measly 2.3 litre 131 ci straight 4 at 650 whp @ 6500 rpm with stock head, this is not crank but to the wheel, 9.5:1 cr, gtx 35 r at 22lbs on 92 octane with methanol injection on a bone stock block with forged rotating assembly.....surprised a stock 302 block can’t handle those numbers, makes me feel a little concerned.
High Compression is not always the answer with boost. Too much compression has diminishing returns. It depends on the boost level. Since this is an N/A engine originally you will benefit more from a drop in static ratio than an increase. This keeps the need for higher and higher octane fuels in-check as well.
This engine has 2019 spec alloy heads and pistons in it. Im 100% sure itll handle 10.0:1 or more on pump gas and turn 1k with far less boost than they are going to need with 8.8:1. I would understand if they were using factory original type pistons and cast iron heads but the alloys suck heat from the chamber.
Why? With a street car it needs to idle and be able to run in variable rpms just like stop and go traffic. In the dyno cell its wide open throttle to 6k then back to idle. On the street it's a different story. Personally, I dont like sitting at idle on the street at around 215 degrees on the coolant temp. After 215 degrees you start cooking oil. That's spells doom for a turbo when the oil starts to get above 225 degrees.
I'd say around 15-16 psi. My guess is they'll really hammer it on the chassis dyno with electronic boost control inside the Holley EFI system. 700+ on the wastegate is very good.
Back in 1983, I had a Boss 351 that had around 425 HP and spun a clean 8,200 RPMs. Could you build a Cleveland style engine with same style heads, same bore and stroke, and similar compression of 11.7:1, but no less that 11:1 putting out 500 HP and spinning a clean 8,200 RPMs for a canyon running engine that would rival a Ferrari V12? Naturally aspirated, but could have a fuel injection system without rails.
Douglas Hine There is no way a Cleveland would spin at 8200 rpm without serious mods. Those heads won't fit on a Cleveland. I had a built Boss 302 that wouldn't spin that high. I suggest you go back and watch Sesame Street
I bet with just bumping the compression up to 10:1 it would have made 1000 hp on about 12lbs of boost. Low compression boosted motors are pointless unless you're going to run something like 35lbs+.
@@codyslaughter4678 yep low comp is a thing of the past. With E85 everywhere its dumb not to go with 10:1 slot of guys are way higher than that with 20+ psi
Yall ain't exactly right with the overlap...the right amount of over lap will make the exhaust valve open for just a moment when the intake opens to fully get gasses out as fresh fuel and air comes in making each power stroke have fresh air and fuel to burn up making more power and efficiency. Everybody knows efficiency makes power reliably
Im only halfway through but I didn't hear them say that. I heard them say it'd hold in 1100 hp as they were talking about the beefed up internals they were putting in. I made it further into the video now. They said it was their goal to make 1000hp but didnt say it would
Them: We're installing all the accessories to mimic actual power that the car would make Also them: Runs the intake piping past the power steering pump so they can't put a belt on it for the dyno run Me: Ya ok
@@dj4monie why does it matter that I asked can I get the block donated to my build? No I can't go down to local pick & pull get it myself, and why does it matter to hate on someone comments about a used stock block?🤔
STREET RACER you are pretty dumb seems to me your a ford hatter and a Chevy fan boy so stick with your shit box Chevy and I’ll stick with my non bankrupt ford power and btw my truck has 447,558 miles on my 1998 Ford F-250 with 5.8 and never been rebuilt and let’s not forget same transmission as well but ford sucks haha get a life Chevy fan boy
Love the videos. Great information, details, tips and helpful. NOTE: this is not stage 3 of an engine build. Quote,"That means we're gonna have to change some parts but the majority of them are gonna stay". ....Define majority please. That would require 'at least' retaining the block. Fun to watch regardless
Ahhh I just got hooked watching these this morning and realized this one was only posted an hour ago! Now I have to wait to see big boost!!!! Great job guys!!
Why didn't they go to a 4.125" bore on the DART block for a 363? They bought new 4.03" pistons anyway... 347 is for OEM blocks... SMH And why use a DSS main support on a bulletproof 4 bolt main block?? Guessing that DSS was paying for the show.
So you've replaced the block, the headers, the pistons, the camshaft, intake, and carb... Trigger's broom springs to mind - ruclips.net/video/56yN2zHtofM/видео.html&t=98
347 cubes.....weird rotating assembly angle...bad news. And for 347 or 363..even worse..just silly not to start with a 351w....stock your 4 cubes more...maybe a few more blue printed....a simple .030 over and your already 357 cubes...Or stroker kit and go up to a safe , longer lived stroker engine...at 410-418 cubes, more durable, more torque..bolts in easily...very easy mods. Then I see this 347 with a single plane intake and the second cam is a huge cam and its street-able?? ...with good road manners...?? Possibly with roller valve train...as long as you have a 5 speed or auto with a 3800 stall converter and some 4.10 ..4.56 gears maybe... then bumping up the 347 compression on the second run.. sure seems like a helluva a lot of race gas mixed with 93 octane pump to do that..costly and I guess these shows are about selling parts to kids looking at dyno numbers more or less. Now a high buck DART block to boost the whole mess. Smh
I'm curious about the low power number per pound of boost. Atmosphere weighs 15 pounds per square inch so.....a 500 horse motor SHOULD make 1000 horses at 15 psi. They said they were trying to reach 1000hp to the tire. You need a 1200 horse motor to do that. There is a big difference between the 800 horses that they achieved an the 1100 to 1200 that they need/want. I would have went with heads with a larger intake port. Maybe the afr heads but.....I would probably use the kasse p38 heads. They flow VERY good numbers and are well vetted by jon kasse who is renowned for winning motors. He has won several engine masters challenges.
How long did it take for the alt pulley to eat up the alt belt ? Reason I ask is I had the EXACT same pulley belt setup on my 700hp NA 363 sbf (5 speed car) and it ate 3 beats in 2 weeks. Decided to call Jones and they stated the pulley/belt setup was wrong for a high amp alt same as you got. They send me a thicker pulley and belt and that did the job. No more eating belts.
Ya know why ford put the disturbtor in the front? There's a lot of 4'8" mustang drivers that cant reach a chevy dist.witch was put in the back so to keep tinkering hands off of it...now guys that's just for a laugh.cause I know ford guys has some pokes at chevy drivers too.yall have a good day
You too can build this motor for only 65K dollars. I bet 95% of the people (like me) watching these videos can never afford 10% of the parts they advertise.
I would of put it together with at least 10:1 compression then added boost I mean come on, and the normal guy can't afford 2,500 for a block 6000 for the turbo then another 5000 for internals and heads, I'm just jealous I guess
I'm still waiting to see the 1100hp run?!? WTF. These guys never fail to piss me off. Majority of the parts are going to stay. Yeah right. Stay in a corner of their shop in the parts bin. Gtfoh!
Why the hell does this show always zoom in and obscure run data??? They act like they have the market cornered with their 'awesome' engine combos. Oh, and real nice slapping that scored up crank back in that you could've easily polished out, lol.
sounds like a really expensive way to gain 300 horses... should've just gotten a big block... also, arp bolts on the oil pan? Really? Good attention to detail but absolutely unnecessary
Why does these stage 3 builds always have boost for more hp?. I mean there so much more you can do to get more power.,.make a stage four and show other formulas and stop all the off the shelf stuff..real racers get into the port work and valve angles and even longer strokes than what y'all show.. You guys are showing basic engine assembly of your off the shelf parts Wich I understand your in buisness to sell.. Just saying racers can enjoy the tricks that we all share and limits we push
It would be cool if it was stuff regular people can afford... then of course the host gets the motor to put in his car, Richard holder says to build a really good naturally aspirated then add boost. Screw that 8.9 compression ratio wtf... I'd made it 10 to 1 then add boost
Intake welds were not great looking. And personally not a fan of that carb hat. Might as well do a proper holley High ram for the power output. Cleaner setup makes more power with a throttle body and injector rails. Just my two bits.
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Build a boosted 434ci SBC with EFI just like this Ford build but try to get to 1500+hp
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Big fun stuff...Thanks a bunch...!
Once i found a pen in the lifter valley of a 305 chevy, pretty sure Pat worked on the motor after finding that.
best comment of the month.
Lol!
Left his calling card behind!
Man o' man I'd love that in my '91 Fox. With my poor driving skills and ancient, rock hard tires, just think of the crowds I'd terrorize at my local Cars 'n Coffee!.
tmmurphy you would be a legend
@@LA_Commander can you fit that same block in a fox with small hood scoop
Good one!
👎🏾
Not only from hitting crowds but blown tires from the 2-3 shift at 7500rpm
WTH, So basically stage 3 is a new engine around a turbo?
The rods , crank , and heads were reused . Lol
Yup.. and that turbo system is around 6I, so much for the average guy doing this
@@88_turbo_fox73 the average person can afford a lot of nice things if you have a decent job and don't saddle yourself with bad debt and other bad life choices.
@@bmstylee like a wife
@@3rd-eye-neenja563 That. Or a divorce with alimony and child support. As a guy you generally are going to get screwed on that front.
Beginning of the show: Watch this ford small block make 1,200 HP!
End of the show: We ended up at 800, don't talk about it...
Kyle Nelson he did say make power safely. There’s no doubt that little engine could be pushed harder. 800 hp in that galaxie is more than plenty
@@downhilldaddy9346 I agree they could have turned it up to 50 psi and made 1000 hp but I was just poking fun at the show for making such a bold claim at the beginning and not delivering. Cheers!
Kyle Nelson 10-4 I wasn’t trying to be mean mate🤙🏾
Much like the bold claim of reusing the parts the already had, which then turned into just using the crank and rods
Probably has something to do with the nearly 80% I:E ratio, and then making it more like 70% with 1.6s on the exhaust.
Yeh baby ARP bolts to bolt down that oil pan. She won't blow off now
Andrew Gallagher A hater will hate. And a dolt will stink. Perhaps you should do a show? You may want to tighten up your spelling and grammar before you have a go. It is quite infantile.
Johnathan Bachman , he was making light of the fact that this is a Summit advertisement. And your amateur psychological analysis shows that you go off half cocked and type before you think, and if you have the ability to reason?, do you?
older than you Cali Well Sir you have left no Doubt your I.Q. is between a rock and a plant. Sponsors, advertising and parts donation is why these programs are on television. If you or the other mental heavyweights do not like it turn it off or don’t watch. Posting your adolescent ignorance just proves you have no clue and enjoy trolling. The question good Sir is why would you leave no question your dealing with bad Meth habit. You post’s are seriously ignorant. Before you make anymore posts get your G.E.D. Ask your cell block officer how this can be accomplished.
stock Chevy blows apart at 300 hp so im guessing old Fords are good for 500 or so considering there;s nearly double the bolts on Ford...my old S10 with a mild 305 with about 275 hp used to eat oil pan gaskets
Andrew Gallagher Exactly, I never could figure that one out.
4:20 the crank looks scratched all to hell.
Anyone else notice the wear on crank journal when he measured?
@Bearded Clam You caught that too
saw that clearly
micro groove oiling system
yep and would have taken 1 minute to polish out.
wow, you guys aren't kidding. its real obvious. I mean, to a good engine builder
The oil is called Platinum Plus...
Also the local strip club😂
Oil could be used there as well.
The oil is synthetic...
...as is half the girls at Platinum Plus🤘
Allentown, Pa? 🤣
South Carolina
Manuel Garza yeah man
That’s a stout package 📦 great job!! That 5.0 & 5.8 Litre were the motor to have in the 90’s and still today 💯🥇❤️❤️❤️
The cracks in the stock blocks actually develop opposite from what he said. They start at the mains and work up to the valleys before performing an impression of a banana split. Thats why the valley girdles developed for these blocks don't do jack.
"we'll reuse most of the parts"
replaces most of the parts with new stuff...
uhm,... sure.
cam, pistons and efi is not "most of the parts."
@@bryanroupe8646
Block, lifters, pushrods, head bolts..and on and on..
Realistically speaking they've got 15 or 20k worth of new turbo engine, and less than four grand of it is "old" parts..
Street-able to me means it starts and runs
Low expectations?
Shouldn’t you be watching makeup vids
Nathan Nicholas Garcia 52 Performance Fishing If I should be watching makeup vids this means you should be watching gay porn. 🙄😐
Ahhhhhh, you roasting em. You like the strokers. Lol jk 😂
@@chloehennessey6813 oh lawd, I literally spit my drink all over my desk hahahahahah
pretty cool but very expensive way to make 800 hp.
Not when everything is donated lol.
@@bigboreracing356 true. Not many think about longevity. This engine will not only put out consistent 800hp, but it will do it for YEARS.
While those oem blocks Crack at higher levels, at one stage the 302w had the lowest number of warranty claims of any ford engine.
I'll take one of those for my fox PLEASE... 😎
Living that fox life.
Must have been in your recommendations too lol. Just finished watching about your 2nd gear t5 issue earlier
Sure if you want a dart iron eagle block. Your going have to pay to play.
@@terrybaptist795 You can do it with a Ford Boss block too. Speed cost money that is not the time to cut corners. 300 hp N/A is plenty on the street. That said if you want to play in the big kids pool you better bring 500+ for 4 cylinders and 1000+ for V8's and larger, just the nature of things.
You're coyotes faster
Every bit of this program sounds like you're talking to ten-year-olds.
Hey, are you trying to bring back the word "trick"?
Beats hearing him call them "Bullets" 🙄
The scariest thing I've ever been in is an early 90's full cage mustang with a "twin" turbo 347. That thing put 1100 to the wheels on a bad day and I'm lucky to be here to tell you that kind of power has no place on the street! That car was just plain stupid powerful and ran 8.50's in the 1/4 mile. I can't remember the MPH, I just remember my fear factor every-time I got into that thing.... That car honestly scared the hell out of me!
600hp to the wheels in a fox body is rowdy on the street, assuming it still retains the chassis & suspension to be a nice driver and isn't predominantly a cantankerous track car.
Such a setup on 295 drag radials won't hook up on every pavement surface until up into 3rd gear (3.73 rear gears). I think a lot of guys theorize and imagine how much excess they need and get carried away. Above the level I described, a 3200lbs Fox is really beginning to try to hurt you if some wise restraint isn't exercised. Busting tires loose at 60 mph can go bad really quickly
@@Resistculturaldecline:
I don't remember the exact tire anymore, but skinnies up front and 10" in the rear. It was a built car, full cage, K member, frame connected, QA1 coilovers, ect. But yes, 3rd gear 60mph that thing just loved to go sideways! On the strip it would leave on 2 wheels, but on the street it always seemed like it was wearing 2 pairs of roller skates. It was a cool car, just friggin scary.
@@Finite-Tuning Sounds like probably a 275 tire, which isn't even beginning to hold back 1000+ hp, not even close. Like putting a bicycle tire on the rear of a Japanese sport bike
These guys need to watch Richard Holder's videos, he says build a good N/A motor then add boost, boost works no matter, I would of made it 10 to 1 then boost
if they had just replaced the block and added turbos it would have been a better build for sure. the new cam is very mild and it seems that they were only making 354 ft*lbs and 364 HP na with this combination.
I'd love to see these guys build a 7.3l diesel powerstroke. See what they can get out of it.
No more than what others are getting out of them.
There are 10 million of those videos all over the internet.
Four our five hours....
Id love to see them not build a complete turd
Nunya Bidness I know a few guys who have built their 7.3s a 6.0 is a much better platform you can achieve much higher numbers
You drilled into your Victor jr when you could have just bought the EFI Victor jr intake...why?
I’d die for this engine in my 93 mustang. Serious power in the engine. Sounds so smooth too.
Start saving pennies. You can build up to 500whp on the stock 5.0 block, you'll crack it higher than that.
REF III I agree😂 I would’ve loved to have a motor like this in my 86 and would love to put one in my 93 now lol
Anthony Thomas my 93 now has 436hp* not 446hp on the dyno and 347hp at the wheels dynod. She’s a fun car can only imagine what 1,000hp on the dyno would be in a 3k pound car lol. I have every maximum Motorsports mid available now and she handles awesome. Would love to see how one of these Foxbody cars would do with this suspension work and that power. Super nice engine there
Garrettrocks98 that drive accessory kit 😍. This is a sick set up
REF III I agree! I said the same thing that accessory drive is sexy!
"We're keepimg most of the parts for this build.."
Proceeds to throw out everything but the crank, rods, & heads..
exactly!
And there goes about 30 grand....
Psst at least
Money well spent.
@@Crabbeshackyeaaaahhhhh no
Puts the girdle on a dart block that doesn't really need it , but didn't even have the girdle on the stock block to begin with. Lol.
This is just what i need for my 1990 notchback 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾pure HP
Engine stumbles, misses, then comes into boost.
Immediately after, “This engine has great manners right out of the gate”
Written by someone who has never started a rebuilt motor. You & 9 other dickheads know fuck all.
Right!! This video is absurd
By the look of those NASTY welds on the intake, I knew right away a professional did not do it
Nope, but giving a new generation a chance to learn some real world skills is great. Besides that, it doesn't have to be pretty, if it works.
To leave those "gorilla glob" welds on that intake is a travesty. I'm all for helping the younger fellas (if you can find one that will actually work) learn and I certainly don't mind sharing knowledge and experience; BUT don't leave those welds like that! What you lack in welding ability, at least make up for it with grinding skills........ Good day
you guys are so cool
After looking closely at the gasket surface I’m surprised that Intake even sealed
It would have been interesting to see how the manifold modified for efi and the throttle body worked on the first black and blue build before swapping to the Dart block and adding boost.
Wayne C engine masters done a build on this
I mean...not hitting the number you were after is not a big deal when we are talking about missing it by 50 HP and TQ or somewhere around there. But Pat said he was looking for 1,000 HP AT THE WHEELS in his '63 Galaxie, so they were missing their desired number by about...THREE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER! They either had absolutely no idea what this kind of build would make and were just throwing out random dream numbers or something is seriously wrong with this build because that car is going to end up making AT BEST 700 at the wheels. Obviously that is nothing to sneeze at, but again, missing your number by at least 300 HP is a pretty significant miscalculation and the viewers (at least THIS viewer) would love to know why.
Someone call wardrobe and get Mike a shirt that fits.
I used to think the same when I would watch this show years ago. Looks wierd.
Lots of hurt feelings only getting 800hp out of a 1000hp projection...
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Bearded Clam nah it’s just the guys runnin the show.
My nitrous engine will beat another engine without nitrous.....you don't say?
@@bigboreracing356 Nothing better than hopping down into the comments to catch some tech speak and realizing it's full of cock measuring contests. Put the f*cking rulers away and go print slips.
STREET RACER www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1404-kaase-p-51-heads-on-a-1014hp-basic-big-block
557 bbf makin 1014hp
You guys doing this show again is the best present anyone could want! Thanks guys!!
That 118 lsa and low compression is hurting the peak numbers. Both old school theories. At 10lbs of boost it barely made more power than the N/A version.
Who else feels this is slightly above their budget
@@josea5600 AFR Air Flow Research
I'm a Chevy guy and I like this episodes where they build Fords and Mopars, something new to learn
i like watching chev builds to and im a ford man
I'm a Mopar guy and I like watching Mopar builds so I can someday figure out how the actual fuck they work...
Uncle Tony's Garage and Nick's Garage for the old Mopars. Nick's garage will have more of a mix of muscle from all makes. Tony will surprise with something GM or Ford here and there. Both excellent channels. Ford guy but I watch other builds. Really got a kick out of Cleetus getting 1070 out of a GT500 engine. The Chevy engine I want to see is the 90-95 C4 ZR1 Lotus/Mercury engine in some kind of project. Someone had to have wrecked one. 375-425 NA
Yes...come to the dark side!!! Good....Goood!!!
@@pagosplace3065 We have milk n cookies!!
I'm a Ford guy but there ain't much Ford in that Ford.
@@bigboreracing356 They are all good up to a point.....have run GM, Ford, and Mopar....you just gotta learn how to cuss in each language...GM, FORD, MOPAR...Keep the Faith
I sure in the hell wouldn't use Pennzoil never seen anything good come from a taredown after it had that oil in it.. But thats just me...
True story , rebuilt many a engine , and always could tell when they used Pennzoil . Carbon Deposit out the Ass
I would use Pennzoil 1000 times before I would use the royal purple junk they normally use. Still I wouldn't use ether one of them. Who knows maybe this new version of Pennzoil I the cats meow.
@@gregertman6497 very true but im not paying 80 bucks to do a oil change with that purple shit either
Not the biggest Pennzoil fan my self, But we just retired my uncles 1994 Olds Cutlass with 475k on the clock. He only used 10w40 Pennzoil conventional from day one.
@@theoldguywalking5075 no shit!? Damn... Just lucky with that stuff then.... Or possibly regular oil changes help too...
I would love that engine in my 1960 f100.
Here I am running a measly 2.3 litre 131 ci straight 4 at 650 whp @ 6500 rpm with stock head, this is not crank but to the wheel, 9.5:1 cr, gtx 35 r at 22lbs on 92 octane with methanol injection on a bone stock block with forged rotating assembly.....surprised a stock 302 block can’t handle those numbers, makes me feel a little concerned.
Those bung welds on that intake look like trash
It drives me nuts that you say pound feet. It's foot pounds. Sorry but its driving me nuts!!
If you're going to run race gas in it, why not keep the compression higher?
High Compression is not always the answer with boost. Too much compression has diminishing returns. It depends on the boost level. Since this is an N/A engine originally you will benefit more from a drop in static ratio than an increase. This keeps the need for higher and higher octane fuels in-check as well.
This engine has 2019 spec alloy heads and pistons in it. Im 100% sure itll handle 10.0:1 or more on pump gas and turn 1k with far less boost than they are going to need with 8.8:1. I would understand if they were using factory original type pistons and cast iron heads but the alloys suck heat from the chamber.
Why? With a street car it needs to idle and be able to run in variable rpms just like stop and go traffic. In the dyno cell its wide open throttle to 6k then back to idle. On the street it's a different story. Personally, I dont like sitting at idle on the street at around 215 degrees on the coolant temp. After 215 degrees you start cooking oil. That's spells doom for a turbo when the oil starts to get above 225 degrees.
@@3800TURBO considering this show is more than 5 years old, i doubt it has 2019 spec anything
@@ericmccoy5038 considering this episode aired 6 days ago, I'd say it's pretty likely the stuff is modern enough to run 10:1 compression.....
Is it just me or did this thing fall around 400 hp short of the money spent? Makes a great case for an LS though if that was your intention.
What was the boost at on the final pull?
I'd say around 15-16 psi. My guess is they'll really hammer it on the chassis dyno with electronic boost control inside the Holley EFI system. 700+ on the wastegate is very good.
16 lbs.
Lol you can make 600 on a stock block ported heads and a cam with 16psi
look at all those cool parts, guarantee that motor costs more than my house, my daily driver, my pickup truck, and my hot rod put together
I bet they do
Kurt Benning only because they're Ford parts
Back in 1983, I had a Boss 351 that had around 425 HP and spun a clean 8,200 RPMs. Could you build a Cleveland style engine with same style heads, same bore and stroke, and similar compression of 11.7:1, but no less that 11:1 putting out 500 HP and spinning a clean 8,200 RPMs for a canyon running engine that would rival a Ferrari V12? Naturally aspirated, but could have a fuel injection system without rails.
Dandy Engines has a 2,000 hp Windsor block, Cleveland style alum head engine makes 2,500 hp, just did a 6 on 8 inch drag radials.
Nice. 500 HP is more than enough. It’s the 8,200 RPMs that matter.
Douglas Hine There is no way a Cleveland would spin at 8200 rpm without serious mods. Those heads won't fit on a Cleveland. I had a built Boss 302 that wouldn't spin that high. I suggest you go back and watch Sesame Street
wysetech2000 Why be so rude???
@@douglashine9638 I don't like it when people bull shit is why.
Why didn't you just buy a new Edelbrock EFI manifold all ready done .
This video is 5 years old...
Marcos messias brasileiro gostaria de ver um v8 biturbo no dinamômetro?
@16:00 with the goal of making 1000 hp at the tire, on the chassis dyno😆
Well. You don't need it in the car to tune it.
I wonder what this motor would do with some chi high port 3v heads
Damn, only 15k in parts...
I'll pay that
Is it illegal to show the entire dyno power curve screen?
Hell thats impressive power even naturally aspirated. Awesome job guys.
Is it me or crankshaft mains are scratched? :/
BTW, keep going guys, always a pleasure to see your vids ;)
boyou2 I don't think it was you as i saw that too. Cameras do funny things like making small defects appear more pronounced.
I bet 10:1 compression, cnc tfr highports, and E85 this thing would make 1000 not even sweating it
All bulshit try and build-it!
All bulshit try building one
I bet with just bumping the compression up to 10:1 it would have made 1000 hp on about 12lbs of boost. Low compression boosted motors are pointless unless you're going to run something like 35lbs+.
@@codyslaughter4678 yep low comp is a thing of the past. With E85 everywhere its dumb not to go with 10:1 slot of guys are way higher than that with 20+ psi
Ive got a 1979 351m that needs some love. Y'all want to send me some parts? I drive a 40 year old truck, I can't afford shiney stuff lol.
Get creative. You answer with low funds is nitrous oxide.
Just use junkyard turbo parts
no
doofus dumb
No need for torque plate honing on an aftermarket block .And the girdle is not needed.
These blocks come honed from the factory and at the 1000 hp level, I doubt the girdle is needed
Yall ain't exactly right with the overlap...the right amount of over lap will make the exhaust valve open for just a moment when the intake opens to fully get gasses out as fresh fuel and air comes in making each power stroke have fresh air and fuel to burn up making more power and efficiency.
Everybody knows efficiency makes power reliably
I thought their goal was to reach 1,100 HP? Did they only push 10psi and plan on going above that later?
Perma Frost I too was confused about this
They later said it in the video they are getting a base tune, and then pushing it for 1000whp once its in the galaxie.
Ooohh. I guess I missed that lol.
They bragging 1000 hp at the wheels..mmmm. Only 800 to show of....lol
Im only halfway through but I didn't hear them say that. I heard them say it'd hold in 1100 hp as they were talking about the beefed up internals they were putting in. I made it further into the video now. They said it was their goal to make 1000hp but didnt say it would
The big tune's going in when the engine's in the car. Damn got to wait again.👍
They have clean boost left on the table by the looks of things
Anyone else notice the power steering pump not hooked up? To get and I quote true dyno numbers when completed in the car.
What's Pat gonna do with 1,000 horsies? I mean he drives like a grandma LOL
Nuttin HP can't fix!!
1000 all day turbo ls with very little
Them: We're installing all the accessories to mimic actual power that the car would make
Also them: Runs the intake piping past the power steering pump so they can't put a belt on it for the dyno run
Me: Ya ok
So you're saying you're able to make more power on that small block Ford N/A than you could on the 350 SBC S/C?
STAGE 3?!?!?! Holy wowie wow! Many horse pressures will be created with this here stage three.
Can I get that stock block donated to my build?
Can't you run down do your local pick u pull on half off days and get one yourself?
Right bro they'll let them go for cheap. I once got a great cam upgrade from one for $20😂$250 value
@@dj4monie why does it matter that I asked can I get the block donated to my build?
No I can't go down to local pick & pull get it myself, and why does it matter to hate on someone comments about a used stock block?🤔
@@bigboreracing356 the stock 302 is fine for most applications, when you boost it over 550hp or so, you run into problems.
i need that engine for my ranger
Sounds like that bov isn't hooked up right....
They never set them up right lol theirs been like 4 turbo motors on here with the same deal.
Love it Ford power baby
Lol ford hater. ford first on race day
And another thing is If your going to mod your engine I’m a 100% sure everyone goes after market to make it worth your time
STREET RACER you are pretty dumb seems to me your a ford hatter and a Chevy fan boy so stick with your shit box Chevy and I’ll stick with my non bankrupt ford power and btw my truck has 447,558 miles on my 1998 Ford F-250 with 5.8 and never been rebuilt and let’s not forget same transmission as well but ford sucks haha get a life Chevy fan boy
Your wrong about the wide lobe centre needed for a turbo , its a myth
Nobody seems to get that. Lol.
Love the videos. Great information, details, tips and helpful. NOTE: this is not stage 3 of an engine build. Quote,"That means we're gonna have to change some parts but the majority of them are gonna stay". ....Define majority please. That would require 'at least' retaining the block. Fun to watch regardless
Yeah think they kept the crank lol
Them saying pound feet is driving me nuts. Im not saying its wrong but I've always heard and used foot pounds.
Lets get those turtles excited!!!
Ahhh I just got hooked watching these this morning and realized this one was only posted an hour ago! Now I have to wait to see big boost!!!! Great job guys!!
Why didn't they go to a 4.125" bore on the DART block for a 363?
They bought new 4.03" pistons anyway...
347 is for OEM blocks... SMH
And why use a DSS main support on a bulletproof 4 bolt main block??
Guessing that DSS was paying for the show.
Loved this show but I'm a MOPAR MAN AND SOME OF THE PARTS I WOULD NOT USE IN A MOPAR MOTOR. INDY CYLINDER WORK BEST FOR MOPAR👍💯
So you've replaced the block, the headers, the pistons, the camshaft, intake, and carb... Trigger's broom springs to mind - ruclips.net/video/56yN2zHtofM/видео.html&t=98
347 cubes.....weird rotating assembly angle...bad news. And for 347 or 363..even worse..just silly not to start with a 351w....stock your 4 cubes more...maybe a few more blue printed....a simple .030 over and your already 357 cubes...Or stroker kit and go up to a safe , longer lived stroker engine...at 410-418 cubes, more durable, more torque..bolts in easily...very easy mods. Then I see this 347 with a single plane intake and the second cam is a huge cam and its street-able?? ...with good road manners...?? Possibly with roller valve train...as long as you have a 5 speed or auto with a 3800 stall converter and some 4.10 ..4.56 gears maybe... then bumping up the 347 compression on the second run.. sure seems like a helluva a lot of race gas mixed with 93 octane pump to do that..costly and I guess these shows are about selling parts to kids looking at dyno numbers more or less. Now a high buck DART block to boost the whole mess. Smh
I'm curious about the low power number per pound of boost. Atmosphere weighs 15 pounds per square inch so.....a 500 horse motor SHOULD make 1000 horses at 15 psi. They said they were trying to reach 1000hp to the tire. You need a 1200 horse motor to do that. There is a big difference between the 800 horses that they achieved an the 1100 to 1200 that they need/want. I would have went with heads with a larger intake port. Maybe the afr heads but.....I would probably use the kasse p38 heads. They flow VERY good numbers and are well vetted by jon kasse who is renowned for winning motors. He has won several engine masters challenges.
How long did it take for the alt pulley to eat up the alt belt ? Reason I ask is I had the EXACT same pulley belt setup on my 700hp NA 363 sbf (5 speed car) and it ate 3 beats in 2 weeks. Decided to call Jones and they stated the pulley/belt setup was wrong for a high amp alt same as you got. They send me a thicker pulley and belt and that did the job. No more eating belts.
You mean, Foot pounds.
Ya know why ford put the disturbtor in the front?
There's a lot of 4'8" mustang drivers that cant reach a chevy dist.witch was put in the back so to keep tinkering hands off of it...now guys that's just for a laugh.cause I know ford guys has some pokes at chevy drivers too.yall have a good day
Put together a system that put 2HP per cubic inches!
The dart block can hold 700+ HP I have 694HP with out the 88mm turbo at 18 lbs of boost
I always called foul on these presentaions..However, now that I see Pat has a 63. I'am all in. Nice job fellows. LOL.
Where's the eleven hundred hp? Ford performance 347 stroker puts out 500hp so whats up with the 375hp you guys are talking about.
You too can build this motor for only 65K dollars. I bet 95% of the people (like me) watching these videos can never afford 10% of the parts they advertise.
I would of put it together with at least 10:1 compression then added boost I mean come on, and the normal guy can't afford 2,500 for a block 6000 for the turbo then another 5000 for internals and heads, I'm just jealous I guess
I'm still waiting to see the 1100hp run?!? WTF. These guys never fail to piss me off. Majority of the parts are going to stay. Yeah right. Stay in a corner of their shop in the parts bin. Gtfoh!
So for all that extra cash it only picked up a little over 200hp from the naturally aspirated? Far from 1200hp.
Why the hell does this show always zoom in and obscure run data??? They act like they have the market cornered with their 'awesome' engine combos. Oh, and real nice slapping that scored up crank back in that you could've easily polished out, lol.
sounds like a really expensive way to gain 300 horses... should've just gotten a big block...
also, arp bolts on the oil pan? Really? Good attention to detail but absolutely unnecessary
Why does these stage 3 builds always have boost for more hp?. I mean there so much more you can do to get more power.,.make a stage four and show other formulas and stop all the off the shelf stuff..real racers get into the port work and valve angles and even longer strokes than what y'all show..
You guys are showing basic engine assembly of your off the shelf parts Wich I understand your in buisness to sell..
Just saying racers can enjoy the tricks that we all share and limits we push
So was that an $8,000 build for $10 per hp? Never heard price of anything. Do we have to prove it all out ourselves? Great no info
Cracks develop at the front oil main galley from the oil pump then it works it's way back and up. Not from the Lifter galley.
Race motor and 800 hp. Stock coyote in boostedf150 is 900rwhp. What's missing here?
It would be cool if it was stuff regular people can afford... then of course the host gets the motor to put in his car, Richard holder says to build a really good naturally aspirated then add boost. Screw that 8.9 compression ratio wtf... I'd made it 10 to 1 then add boost
They need to put this in a fox with a 6 speed.
Manuals are too hard on the Turbo , specially when you shift
a 6 speed auto would be nice behind that.
He must not be able to drive a manual lol
Intake welds were not great looking. And personally not a fan of that carb hat. Might as well do a proper holley High ram for the power output. Cleaner setup makes more power with a throttle body and injector rails. Just my two bits.