Small Block Chevy Build Stage 3: 383 Becomes A 406 To Make Mega Horsepower - Engine Power S3, E14
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- On this episode of Engine Power, we start and finish Stage 3 of our Small Block Chevy build. In Stage 3 of our small-block build, our 383 becomes a 406 and gets a centrifugal supercharger to make mega-power.
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FAST: FAST EZ-EFI Self-Tuning Fuel Injection System
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Federal-Mogul Corporation: Fel-Pro Conversion Gasket Set
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Meziere Enterprises,Inc.: Mopar 300 Series Electric Water Pump 55GPM Black
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Mr. Gasket: Hot Rod Calculator
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MSD Ignition: 6 HEMI Ignition Controller
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Comp Cams: Custom Grind Billet Roller Camshaft
Goodson Shop Supplies: Powered Ring Filer with Integral De-burring Wheel
The Industrial Depot: Fasteners, Hardware, and Shop Supplies
My uncle Randy used to do stuff like this all the time, he always had 2 engines he was building on at all times, one in his basement and one in his garage. He used to do model cars with me when I was real little, then when I turned 12 he started teaching me how to repair, rebuild, and refurbish engines and transmissions. I'm 28 years old now and I am ASE certified on powertrains(auto and manual systems), I hope to be a master and have my own shop one day.
@clickity777 hey bud, its been three years since your comment and i really hope you doin well and got a little closer to your master and maybe the own shop? Keep it up, greets from germany!
I had a Vortech SC 383 in my 88 Camaro in the early 90s. I programmed the DFI ECU myself. It had a Lingenfelter box-ram. No intercooler and was set up for what they now call Pro Tour. I was 20 years ahead of the curve. 3.23 rear end and would still not get traction with slicks. You could melt the tires at 60MPH. I transplanted a T-56 Six speed into it. Centerforce had to design a new Kevlar disk to hold the power. It ran low 11s on pump gas without intercooler and 10 lbs. boost.
I think it would of been cool to see the stage one with the supercharger that way you see a street combo and pump 91 only to show what a guy at home can do
The 383 had forged rods/pistons/ 4 bolt mains. It would have been fine at 1k. That new build could handle closer to 2k. Ive had a stock block forged piston/rod 3800 v6 doing 1k for 7 years.
You have an axe. You replace the head. You replace the handle.
It’s not the same axe.
Especially if I get to sharpen it.
What he means is it's no longer the same engine. At this point it's a complete diffrent all new components
My thoughts exactly. No reason to tear down the stage 2 - just build another motor.
Jim Anderson exactly
373s
Pat Topolinski once carved a camshaft with his leatherman because he had some time to kill.
Outstanding!! Pat and Mike, you guys are the gold standard in video engine techs!!
Uhhhhh Frieburger, Bruhle, and Dulcich disagree...
Thanks for your hard work making these videos. I'll take the 406 with EFI...and no blower.
Miles Rains nope.. carb way easier to tune and fix if something goes wrong. I had an efi and I hated every bit of it .
16:28 James get the nitrous (Cleetus fans would know lol)
Hell yeah brother
These guys play it too safe 😂
This is why I hire a professional to build my boosted engines. I can build an NA engine okay/ still need some practice. But I can slap a 572 together pretty quick. I did what you guys did but I ordered the engine prebuilt from BluePrint set up for boost. I’m also using the F1A procharger.
Makes 1,219 to the wheels. I haven’t turned it all the way up- not ready for it yet. Maybe Summer nats I will.
Wow sweet setup! What power adder engine did you get from blue print? How is it holding up to this day as I see your comment is from 4 years ago? Cheers!
Dudes pocket pins are on point
We all need to up our pen game to keep up with him.
Wild Bill lol
That's a really killer set up guys thanks for sharing that one with me love them prochargers
NA with 9.2:1 compression ratio still making well over 500 horsepower at the crank, you could run this thing on 87 pump gas and still be dominating at the track!
With that much head and cam I'd be surprised if they didn't make over 500hp even with 7 to 1 pistons.
i wouldnt run 87 octane in my lawn mower nowadays its like terpentine
the aluminum heads would help with detonation, but there's a ton of blown 350 cid out there making this power number and needing $12 a gallon race fuel
It did not dibble the power like he said it would, ran great with out boost just put in some 12.5 to 1 pistons .
Exactly which class would you dominate with 550 hp STP?
You 2 guys together are the Best!!
17:00 Hey dude, you gotta pen?
He has more ink than a Miami tattoo shop
Dude you're set for the school year
John
Peterson
Put some NOS on it. You'll hit 1000hp in no time and blow it up.
Stage 1: $4,000 ... Stage 3: $20,000.
Its nice. I'd like to get a LS 427 for about the same price if not a little more for 96 z28.
@@nickd920 Ah yeah I love that 427 but this motor will hold more power. No replacement for full aftermarket.
@@_winter7745 Junkyard LS will hold 1400hp crank, with enough fuel, boost, ring gap and cold copper plugs and retarded (12 degrees by 4000rpms) timing.
@@DarkLinkAD Yes, for a couple pulls. You can't just triple the factory horsepower on a stock engine and expect to be much more than a disposable dyno queen or something you make that power once on a dyno then detune it for the street while telling everyone you have a "1400hp" motor. To do it right takes a little more than just slapping a 1500hp turbo on a truck engine.
@@177SCmaro He actually daily drove his Colorado, once the fuel problems were sorted, it was solid.
Nice Intake
I wish I had their money and contacts... lol
I thought you meant the blunt looking doobie on the tool box until I saw his pocket !😂😂😂
I wish I did too
Me too
Right 😂😂
No sh*t
Love the sound how that air releasing 😍😍😍🔥🔥🔥
That’s a brutal 406.
The engine looks beautiful and the noise its awesome.
You can make an awesome extra SBC with all of those parts removed !
You know that guy knows his stuff cause his glasses are on his nose and he have his phone in a velcro case🤣😭
He'll never know as much as armchair quarterbacks, though.
@@sleazoid99 lmaoooo 😭😭
He have his phone hu? Grammar much?
Cool show guys, but I wonder: "Do you guys think the older guy has enough pens and utensils in his nerd wallet? Hell he even has a pen with eraser!"
“We did it because we can”
Hell yeah! Builders choice!
At 7:11 Bus grease Monkey would be proud. Now it looks like a 671 Detroit. Hey! it's still a GM color. LOL
Yes he would proud 👍
I run the car maintenance RUclips channel in Korea. I'm always learning such a great ideas on your channel. I hope we have a chance to be together. Thank you.
Most youtube info is not really factual like this
You run THE car maintenance RUclips channel in Korea? You mean North Korea, yes?
I would like to see them build a small block 351 stroked out to a 419??
Blown is ALWAYS better!!! Good tutorial on rings and ring gap from Pat. A lot of builders I've seen don't put much thought into this areas of building. Btw... where's Joe Elmore?
Awesome video love all the build stages such a crazy small block !
this build would've been cool in the 90's
TheSteelhead15 it’s cool right now
You know when you have found a good engine builder when he has 25 different things in his pocket protector shirt pocket.
its like a Chevy 350 Small block with a Modified Crankshaft from a 400 block to fit the Chevy 350 small block with modified bores for increased displacement... in the mean time messing with cylinder heads, effecting the Compression Ration for Higher Camshaft Intake and exhaust duration while retarding the Valve intake and exhaust timing for these alterations all for high 550-1,100 Horsepower with Timing Chain/Ignition Timing Chain altered 6 degrees counter-clockwise for advanced degree angle on the cam to crank gears already preset by the grinding down around the cylinder/pistons/bores.. but yet don't want to stick with the 383 stroke which was the modified camshaft out of the 400 block because you want to cut down on the .27 inches on it? what really made it a 383 was the camshaft modified. reminds me of Chevy's, CT400. oh well eventually they all are molds from each other modified so much and then added to. but anyhow Chevy's small blocks are really 350 with everything else altered in so many different directions, then went large while still working with 350's.
Man keep that thing NA and have a bullet proof motor for life!
Add a methanol and water injector to cool the combustion chamber prior to ignition it should give you the ability to run more total spark advance or make the power without adding timing by promoting a more complete and faster burn with the improved combustion characteristics achieved from just the right amount of water vapor.
I built a version of this motor after seeing this 4 years ago for about 6800$ minus the dart block. It was a turbocharged s488 383 gen 1 w/ gen 3 ecu and coil over plug ignition tuned with HP tuners. Scat forged Assembly wiseco pitons a set of dart knock off clone heads and single plane 4150 efi throttle body. Fun little motor . I want to add a dart block wiseco rods and another s488 one day.
One shot every time Mike says the word now.
Good to know I can turn one of my 383’s into a 406.
Redline Racer the video seems to imply that the same engine can be changed from a 383 to a 406. ANYONE with ANY sbc experience knows that it doesn’t work like this. It is a silly video, one that earned a “dislike” from me.
So I cant turn my 355 into a 496 big block?
All you needs a 2300.00 block snd 799 set of pidtons lol
Redline Racer actually a 350 can be made to a 406 but not something I recommend someone tries if you didn’t know this can be done. .060 bore, 4” stroke crank and 6” rods. This requires knowledge and block shaving and correct pistons to help clear rods as well.
Dumb dumb dumb. 383 is a smaller bore 400 is all it is. For guys who can’t find 400 blocks. Same stroke at 3.75. The 3.75 crank went back into the bigger bore 400 block. Which actually has a .030 bore equalling 4.155. You can do that with a stock 400 block not a aftermarket like this. Just need a .030 over 400 block.
Great video guys! Keep it up
It would've been lovely if it reached a thousand😀
@@bigboreracing356 Or just spec the cam correctly and run a better intake. Could easily benefit from the 235 head as well.
112 LSA
Wilson Vic Jr. ported manifold
AFR 235 heads
There's your 1050 hp pull with more low end torque.
We all need just the right gap... 😝👍
Good choice in color!
I would really like to see this run on standalone efi like holley or fuel tech I bet with cop knock detection and individual cyl trims for both fuel and ignition they could have made 1000hp
Great fun stuff video .
A piston and a file will do the same thing as all those high dollar tools for adjusting ring end gap.
True. But the high dollar tools are much faster and sometimes more precise. You get what you pay for.
Yep. And when you have all that blow-by, you are wondering where you went wrong. That is until the burr on the end of the ring tears everything up.
Curious why you stopped at 11-1 compression on the 383. Once your past the point of running pump gas why leave power on the table by not going 12-1 or more? I noticed your power levels are down from the 377 and 383 small blocks we were building 30+ years ago....It's not the heads , so it has to be the lower compression....
BOOST..............
@@throttlebottle5906 You clearly know nothing about compression or boost.
I would take that any day of the week. Build sheet and part sheet needed for sure.
There's a few things you might want to change.
Foot pound damnit!!!!
If you take the 383 and get the same components as the 6.0 383 will cost more but make way more power components being degree heads and 2/3 7/4 swap cam
Ls comes with more technology
"We won't be using the engine part of the engine but this is just a lil rebuild"
Hard to tell but looking at those plugs it looks to be running a touch lean. Ran your specs through a cheap dyno program it was requiring 1100 cfm carb or injection system.
Love the degree wheel you used in this video! What brand is it?
Color is nice!! Good work!
What you guys dont mention is that crank is internal balance on the front so you can use any nuetral balancer
you need a boost timing control and some AF info or YOU WILL frag that motor.. capable of much more power if you tune it right
Why did you get rid of the AFR plastic intake? Is it not good for blown applications?
I noticed u said nothing about the oil ring clearence, is it fine the way they come or do they need attention too?
Umm I'm no rocket scientist but if you remove the block isn't it a whole new build?
they reused timing chain and push rods.
@@BigEightiesNewWave
Ya well that's like baking a cake and instead of using flour you use corn meal ya it's still the same cake but it's different ingredients.
Easy to build a badass engine when it's not your money!....A turbo on that combo will get you over that 1000 mark with the same boost.
Man wish i had that for my 58 Chevy truck looks good guys
I'll Take one for Christmas
I'd like to see a similar build to Stage 3 N/A only with a Dart 434 SB. I have one in my 84 Vette here in Australia, running a set of Dart 230cc heads, 1-7/8" headers, edlebrock pro flo XT intake that has been widened and port matched to the heads and is running 65lb LS3 injectors. I am running a 90mm LS throttle body and this should flow at around 1100 CFM. The heads are 230cc 2.08" intake/ 1.6" exhaust 72cc heads, should bring the compression to mid 10's. Also running 1.6:1 ration Comp Magnum rockers, but cam is on the light side 113 LSA around 0.600" lift with the 1.6:1 rockers.
You could use bigger headers. At least 2"
Small block makin some power
awesome video to make it better you could add in the tuning on the carbs next time
Why would one install a new cam with assembly lube on the bearings, and not lube the lobes??
Not what I would've done.
@@lenagdyfigpkhhmossuto9623 that does nothing for the cam lobes
You guys Rock!
QUESTION on the ARP studs on motocross bikes you tighten the stud in the cases and/or not super tight but snug. What is the TORQUE putting in ARP studs is it the same? thanks
Same motor but we're changing the block?
I wish the military paid me high enough to put this in my 71 cutlass
Take out a loan.
Love the oil pan!
So why not use the composite intake again?
Really nice video and timing tips. thanks
Ponyiscgrofotssle
I want this same exact set-up!!!!
So what do y’all do with all the parts you take out of the motors y’all build / tear down ... sell them???? I’m looking to buy lol
I cant count how many 2 bolt main blocks i put studs in and boosted it and all live still. My current 468 2 bolt main block studded is running 12 lbs from a pair of turbos on it.with a hydraulic roller cam. Daily driver
I have a 406 in my 81 camaro now, but when that engine goes I am just going with a LS engine. Friend has one in his 79 camaro and for $5000 total including wiring and any other parts he is putting down 700 hp to the wheels with his 6.0 ls engine. And for anyone interested, he is running stock bottom end with stock heads, this is just bolt on power including a turbo.
I dig the block color.
Seems as though this might just be a huge commercial disguised as an engine build video...??? HHHMMMMMMM....
That's what power nation is lol. They gotta make money to give us a free high quality engine build videos. I imagine the companies that sponsor them pay a pretty penny.
Nothing like dynoing a fresh built engine with not even the break in cycle done haha
Exactly!!!!!!!!
How many guys ordered parts from summit in the hopes of building this thing.
I'm sorry but this is a whole new engine!
@@anastyb just for fun nice job
Dale Gastv it’s called editing. They’re not going to show you something so boring as that.
No way you could see over the hood with that ginormous plumbed carburetor on the boosted version.
Your 7 H.P. was as easy as removing that restricted AIR FILTER !
Why was boost numbers never even talked about during the dyno session? I would believe it's kind of relevant?
@Mr. Morningstar Yes, but that isnt during the dyno part of the video. They never mentioned what it hit for peak boost or anything of that sort, idk if im asking too much but i think that might be interesting. Maybe even a comparison of power from 5-10-15 pounts would have been nice :)
Great video
Nicely dude gents!
And you can build this engine for a little as 35 grand so it won't hurt your wallet
Cast steel crank? 35k?
If they wanted to make over 1000hp without doing the obvious smaller pulley, remove that under sized air filter. Should gain at least 50hp at that power level. Also 4.5" pulley on that blower is just getting started if the crank pulley is a 7.65" which pretty sure it is by the boost pressure.
Why will they not give a list of parts with part numbers?
@@grandmasmalibu the links take you to summit racing. It doesn't give you specific part numbers, just general info
Thought dart always recommended not using high pressure pumps due to the priority main oiling
Guys are strapping a turbo to 150k truck engines and make 700hp.
And how long do those live before blowing up
Wild Bill a surprisingly long time lol
@@bmstylee not long
@@bmstylee check out cleetus McFarland and see for yourself lol, he ended up making 900hp on a 5.3 ls all stock besides cam, this guy is nuts
They don’t live that long. The difference is one engine will last many many years with some minor maintenance and one will run 50 passes before it scatters all over the track.
i often wonder what kind of daily driver Pat Topolinski and Mike Galley drive in .... must be thousand horses+ for sure :)
By the way great video.👍
Great video!
Any where we can see a list of parts used?
Good Luck keeping a drive line together with that kind of power! Yee ha.
🐔chicken's need not apply.
Why the hell did you just hit a electric motor on that water pump with a hammer?
Right!?! Wtf...
They dont pay for it
Saw that too, but hey it's free to them
can we please please pleaaaaase have a sister channel to this one with diesel engines? do you want me to beg? i'll do it!! love this show btw, not complaining at all.
If I had unlimited funding, like these guys, why wouldn't I start with an LS platform?
They don't have unlimited funding, and a $25,000 SBC holds a lot more power than a $17k ls7 or $22k lsx
87 octane also
William Landen And you base that on what? Even if that were true which, it isn't, the six bolt skirted LS block is objectively stronger than the dinosaur sbc. Meaning, it is better designed to handle high output to start with. You can say the same thing about the rods and even the LS1 cathedral port head will outflow the dinosaur double hump. My point is the only thing left of the sbc was the block, so why not just start with a superior block? And yes that is a rhetorical question so go to your favorite 1950's diner and think about that before you say something even more stupid.
why not a video on how to boost a 4.3 v6 (the shaker motor)
2:43 hey the hammer hit the wrong spot you were pointing at lol.
I would love to have this
Find someone that looks at you the same way Pat looks at the power curve on the boosted runs