Stroking A 5.0L Small Block Ford to 347 C.I. - Engine Power S2, E8
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- On this episode of Engine Power, the team gets started on Project Black & Blue Stage I. They make big street/strip power on a budget by stroking a stock 5.0L small block Ford to 347.
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Air Flow Research: Cylinder Heads, Competition Porting, Aluminum, Assembled, 58cc Chamber, 195cc Intake, Ford, Small Block, Pair
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ARP: Assembly Lubricant, for Engine Assembly and Fastener Installation, Ultra Torque, 1 Pint, Each
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ARP: Harmonic Balancer Bolt, Chromoly, Black Oxide, 12-Point, Ford, V8, Each
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ARP: Oil Pump Driveshaft, Ford, 221-302, Each
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ATI Performance Products: Harmonic Balancer, Super Damper, Internal Balance, Aluminum, Steel, Ford, 289, 302, 351C, 351M, 351W, 400
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ATI Performance Products: Timing Pointer, Billet Aluminum, Black Anodized, Adjustable, Ford, Small Block, Each
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Dorman Products: Timing Cover, 1-Piece, Aluminum, Natural, Ford, Each
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Dupli-Color: Paint, Engine, Enamel with Ceramic Resin, Gloss, Ford Blue, 12 oz., Aerosol, Each
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Eagle Specialty Products: Engine Rotating Assembly, Competition,(ESP)Forged Crank, Forged Mahle Pistons, H-Beam Rods, Ford, Small Block, Kit
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Edelbrock: Intake Manifold, Victor Jr, Single Plane, Aluminum, Natural, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Ford, 4.7L, 5.0L, Each
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Federal-Mogul Corporation: FEL-PRO, Gaskets, Timing Cover, Cork/Rubber, Ford, Small Block, Kit
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Federal-Mogul Corporation: FEL-PRO, Gaskets, Manifold, Intake, Stock Port, Ford, 302/351W, Set
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Hooker Headers: Headers, Super Competition, Full-Length, Steel, Painted, Ford, Mercury, Pair
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Lunati: Cam & Lifters, 351W, V292HR10
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Lunati: Rocker Arms, Voodoo, Full Roller, Aluminum, Black, 3/8 in. Stud Size, 1.6 Ratio, Ford, Set of 16
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Lunati: Billet Timing Set 9-Key 302HO/351W
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Melling: Camshaft Thrust, Plate, Steel, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, 302, 351W, Late Model Style, Each
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Melling: Oil Pump, High-Volume, Ford, 221/255/260/289/302, Each
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Moroso: Street/Strip Oil Pan, Ford 289-302, Kicked-Out Sump, Front Wet Sump, 7-quart capacity, 8" Depth, Black Powdercoated finish
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Moroso: Oil Pickup, Bolt-In, Aftermarket Pan Style, Ford, 289-302, Each
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Moroso: Main Cap Girdle, Steel, Ford, 289/302, Kit
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MSD Ignition: Distributor, Pro-Billet, Magnetic Trigger, Mechanical Advance, Ford, 289-302, Each
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MSD Ignition: Distributor Gear, Aluminum, Bronze, Race, .466 in. Diameter Shaft, Ford, 289, 302, Each
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Quick Fuel Technology Inc.: Carburetor, Black Diamond Q-Series, 750 cfm, Mechanical Secondary, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Drag Race, Each
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Royal Purple: Assembly Lube, Max-Tuff, Synthetic, 8 oz., Each
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Spectre Performance: Extraflow Breather Black
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Summit Racing: Engine Block, Cast Iron, 2-Bolt Mains, 4.030 in. Diameter Bore, 1-Piece Rear Main Seal, Ford, Small Block, 302
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Summit Racing: Water Neck, Gasket, Steel, Chrome, 90 degree, Ford, Small Block Windsor, Each
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Summit Racing: Valve Covers, Tall, Die-cast, Aluminum, Black, 347 C.I. Stroker, Ford, Small Block, Pair
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Dake: Arbor Presses - Ratchet Leverage, 3T
Spectre Performance: Extraflow HPR Air Cleaner 14 In. x 5 In. - Black
The Industrial Depot: Industrial Depot - Fasteners, Hardware, And Shop Supplies
Unleashed Custom Machining: 1 Inch Lightweight Tapered Blend 4150 Carburetor Spacer
We'll continue to post these episodes here on RUclips. If you can't wait for the rest of the build, visit our site to binge-watch: www.powernationtv.com/shows/engine-power
What was the final build cost?....Is it less than a Ford Motorsports new performance engine?
Please build a stroked out 351W to 410 on fuel injection with twisted wedge heads
PowerNation would love to see a similar build done on a 302 with cleveland heads. The high revving little 302 is sweet music to my ears.
That's 225 hp and 300 torque. Get it right.
You should turn this into a clevor next . just to compair the power defrence between the heads.
Wow, That young amish man sure knows a lot about engines.
You should see him rise a barn.
can’t grow the matching mustache!🥸
😅
😂😂
Amish Mike
WOW, that might not be the most powerful motor I've ever seen, but it definitely is the BEST SOUNDING motor I've ever heard!
Forgot to mention the crank rear seal installation and they didn't check the clearance between the oil pickup and the bottom of the oil pan, a major fubar since this is very important to be sure the oil pan does not suck up to the pickup. The composite distributor gear would have been a better choice to use versus the Bronze gear. The bronze gear will need replaced after a while of use, where the composite gear will not wear like the bronze gear will. Lots of excitement getting 500hp, when for about the same cost you could have built a 408 stroker and easily exceeded 500hp.
I'm 45 and I finally learned you can girdle 2 bot mains.
Thanks.
Man, I remember Pat when I went to S.A.M. Great job
Nice numbers! Looking forward to stage 2.
16:00 that sound on deceleration. Nice.
Impressive hp per cubic inch!
@@mewrongwayKOCXF and any onther makes bulid would all be made by the oem manufacturer right... Yeah, dumbass.
That would be such a badass motor to put in my 66 coupe!!
great work guys
Great show
Nice job 😉💪💪🖒
5.0L HO block is the weak link
Yall forgot to mention the Torque Value on the main cap Stud Girdle . Other than that . Good Video . I'm Building a Short Block now on a Budget Build . I Pick up a set of AFR 205 for 900.00 Buck
Wow that thing is amazing
I'm lost? Yall said at the top of the show that you expected 450 to 500 horses doing the math. I thought by the way yall were jumping around on the first pull you topped 500. Great going.
Nice , that engine would look nice in my 72 ford f100
hell that would fit in my 2000 ranger I wonder if they would donate it to my cause.
@@thestumaji656 Nah, two built 460's for the Ranger. One in the front and one in the box.
Imo stock block 351w is far better build for your truck.
Amazing that new technology allows Ford to get 460 HP stock from a 5.0 now.
Valve springs shims were tearing apart making me lose oil pressure, I changed the oil pump 3 times before I figured it out lol
The only thing that I don't get is why I locked a distributor out then it's you know in a car it's fine for initial cold start but when they get hot they start really really hard
Buy a new block after market 363 cubes..reasonable price
I work on a sprintcar it would be cool to see uall build one of them motor it rans on method with doom Pistons ,I think our motor make 750 hp and 700 torque it would cool to see what u can make turn it 8500 to 9500
I get that you don't want to spend the extra money, but I would never trust the late model 302 blocks for hard use with 470-500 horsepower. They weren't inherently strong blocks. Yes, some people have gone way past that. Good tuning is imperative in protecting everything. But the risk is still high at that level, unless you're not ever pushing the motor - which, what's the point of having that much power if you don't ever use it?
When Ford Racing sold the short blocks and crate motors(I don't know if they still do, or if they've switched to just coyote motors and stroked 351w motors at this point), they rated the block safe up to 450 horse.
this a pretty aggressive cam, cylinder head. Is this gonna be a good or finicky street engine in a lightweight Falcon, Maverick, ‘66 Mustang with a manual tranny and 3:90 gearing?
we are dangerously close to cracking 500hp. I'm sorry I thought you said you were dangerously close to cracking the lifter valley with this think lol. 1st video I've seen of an engine build where you can actually hear it run on the dyno. We all want to hear how it sounds as well as how it runs. A lot of people build motors like this for streetcars and muscle cars. The sounds is important too. That's the redlight shock value guys with old mustang muscle cars look for. Sound doesn't mean a thing if it were a race engine but if it was a race build it would be a 363 or something else anyway. let us here how good the engines sound now and then
Thats alot of RTV on those china rails
I tell you something funny,Ive been around engines as long as i could walk and ive never heard anyone call them that,lol, learn something new every day, i myself love the little blue rubber gaskets that come in some kits,man those things are nice,cork gaskets suck bad.
Niceee
I clicked the link to Summit for the block it doesn't take you to it. Then went to Summit directly. The only bare block they have for $750 was a sbc . So what block is it really?? All those little details you point out sounds like it's a Dart block to me. I would really like the part number so I can order that block you show
Hey Chevy lover's.... Checkmate 😆😆😆😂🤣
Have you guys ever built a flat crank motor?
oh oh! Idea! A Ford 427 cammer with a flat plane! That would be epic..
@@1320crusier no.... just..... no
@@thedon3836 why not? a super light crank in an engine that already has a good rep.. YES PLEASE!
Add in some other luxuries like EFI, timing gears not chains, dry sump, try-y headers, etc... would be a yummy 10-11k rpm engine.
@@1320crusier no no it wouldnt. I'll explain. 1964-1966 427 sohc aka big daddy cammer engine was built off of the FE engine block family 427 side and top oiler engine blocks. They were super rev happy being over head cam and many blew up because they had no real tells that they were being over revved like pushrod engines do as it was. They were designed for racing and having gobs of boost added to them hence the 90° crank. Flat plain cranks do not fair well with boost they snap under to much cylinder pressure. Switching to a flat plain from a 90 degree would make it rev even faster sure but it would also make them over rev faster and you would only keep it na at that point and probably less compression and power over all. Timing gears pass damaging rotational harmonics into the very hard but very brittle cams and they would shatter over 6000rpm which is why you don't see timing gears in high rpm large displacement engines and mostly only see them in low rpm diesels. All that plus your talking about an engine stock that costs more then most people's homes and that's if you can even find one. So again what you are talking about is an under educated pipe dream. Sorry but that's the truth.
@@thedon3836 In dream land Comp Cams would be called on to make me some cams from modern materials.
But no one is expecting anyone to actually build this. Though.. someone should.
F1 engines and other race engines use gear drives.
Run what ya brung my ol 318, 2bbd Dart will show ya the tail lights, run ya for a 12 pack.😀🇺🇲
Yeah sure it will
I click on the link for the block at summit but nothing pops up..
yeah that deal gone lol
YA let me grab my TIG welder out of the sock drawer.
How much did this cost for everything?
Are they selling this as a crate motor yet?
I'ed like to pull out my GT 390 and drop one of these monsters in.
What's a gt390? The old FE?
How come no arp head studs
I LOVE PowerNation
FeORDS answer to the 327 small block hemi
Huh
“ we’re calling this build ‘Little Black & Blue’ because it’s going to be guilty of domestic violence against your wallet “
Show me a big power n/a Ford small windsor build that don't.
You think this build is expensive, try the same thing on a 318 mope ...I mean there is not a reason as the 318 and 360 are very close in hight. A 302 is a very short deck engine that's the reason for the stroker kit. So it cost a lot to play the displacement game. It's not like going forced induction is that much cheaper plus to build a small windsor to live a long life of being beat you need to make sure the machining and assembly are good even on a simple bolt on turbo kit. If you want to skirt some of the fancy things you can. I'd start with a 99-2000 explorer 5.0 and keep the edis ( electronic distributorless ignition ) run a crank trigger, use good heads , good nitrous cam and a msd box. Pill it till ya kill it and go get another junk yard block.
Rob Sorgdrager look at some of my old videos and you’ll see me rebuilding a Ford 5.0 using an old car tire as an engine stand.
Quit crying!! Try building a Mopar! I'll cost you twice as much, and with less than half of the parts availability!
Love my 347. But still pounding the dent out of my wallet. Lol. Great engine.
@@BustedWalletGarage dude, I've been a mechanic and carguy since 97...I'm also not rich😕. I've used come alongs and a tree to pull engines, I like using tires to rest engines and trans'es on. I did a engine swap out the bottom of a Ford focus with Jack stands, a floor jack on class 5 ...that one required many many beers. I feel ya holms a good mechanic is like a marine...get the job done using what's at hand. 😊
Built using off the shelf parts, $10k later. At least they had the decency not to call it a budget build. Nice motor though.
I had a 69' Mach 1 with a built 351 Windsor and that motor was pretty stout. Why not just throw the top end on a 351 without the expense of a stroker?
I run the car maintenance RUclips channel in Korea. I'm always learning such a great ideas on your channel. I hope we have a chance to be together. Thank you.
자동차의 모든 것[ Car & Man ] I’ll be in Korea in a few months, let’s collaborate 💪🏾
Thats creepy, do u wanna blow them
@@roberthusk3402 sounds like a love letter 💌
I love these little Fords. They are low deck, lightweight, and fit in a small engine bay. You can low budget one and get 300 - 350 horsepower with the stock heads. Use main cap studs or a girdle for high rpm. This is a cool build. Excellent job guys .
Just dont push them much past 500hp though I suppose that girdle helps
Jeff Weaver there are people using stock everything inside and outside these engines in stock eliminator class getting over 400 HP with a stock lift super long duration custom csm
1320crusier I would weld the girdle on after torqing it down to keep any slipping from happening
@@spankthemonkey3437 if youre twisting the girdled mains you have other issues.
1320crusier too much power
Such a small engine, but has a heart of a lion! Love Ford!
Me: "Wow 500HP 447FTLBS of torque naturally asperated."
Inner Me. "Now turbo it."
annnnddd... now you have 2 4 cylinder blocks..lol
Michael Benoit for real tonaaah
1320crusier yea he will turn it into two engines.
Nope not with a stock block 347 kit. A 331 sure, better rod angle better rotational harmonics etc but you don't wanna run even 650hp threw a stock HO block they have a tendancy of splitting in half at the lifter valley. With the poor harmonics and radical rod angle of a 347 in a stock block I dout you could run 5lbs boost or even 560hp at the crank before she split in half.
Turbo a v8? Disgusting
Put a blower and get better performance
I’ll take one for a donation for my 67 fastback just saying
DO A 4.9 LITER/300 INLINE 6 BUILD!!!!!!!
They did.
@@2012lucasb Are you thinking of the slant six? 4.9 isnt slanted and is a far far way better motor
Be interesting to see but man those motors were dogs.
@@black98rt Oh yeah I drive one everyday itd be cool to see one set up for performance by these two.
4 barrel holley. Duel pumper
Wow, the first 5.0 build in a while that invested in a girdle on a late 50 block. Smart move. Killer engine.
I wish i went to automotive school....i just watch and enjoy tinkering with engines for a hobby.....ive made good money for the last 13 years as an electrical lineman, but my heart has always been with engines and cars....
For a bunch of Chevy guys they seem pretty impressed with the ford. Was beginning to think this was a Chevy biased channel.
Chevy small blocks are cheaper , produce more power per dollar than any manufacturer , and dominate the track and strip with by far the most factory championships. It’s a actually not even close. So naturally it appears that most people are Chevy biased, when it’s not a bias. It’s what the market dictates.
@@Etruscan70 seems very opinionated lol
the total outright domination of Factory championships , and LS engines are the most swapped out power plants in the USA by far isn’t aren’t opinions Wyatt . They’re facts. Objective much? I have well Under 5k invested in an L92 that’s making a very street-able 600+ hp on a cam swap with mildly reworked heads. That’s hard not to notice.
@@Etruscan70 still opinionated responses. Go somewhere, what about the coyote? People aren’t making 2000 horsepower with ls blocks.
@@wyattyeary8050 yeah all those NHRA championships are my opinion lol 😆.. You’re right , nobody uses the the LS platform all , very rare to see people doing LS builds , and putting them into just about everything on four wheels. LS builds are definitely more expensive than Ford , or mopar , sure thing buddy lol. Anything you say 😂.
I like coyotes , but they only make real numbers when you strap air compressor’s on them, and how much do you think it costs to get 600hp out of one , let alone 1200hp ? You’re looking at well over 12k even if you do your own work.
I'm not really a ford guy, but that is pretty impressive.
Now this is why I’m Ford to the core💯 Check this out, 507hp on a 8.2 deck pump gas engine!! That’s something for your arsenal 💯💯👍🏻👍🏻💯💯
sbf are the shit
are you nut ?
caterpillar6nz no, i DO nut
Ford sux . Unless you build it yourself. All the new dohc is shit
This is aftermarket, not "Ford"...
Ignition timings sounded perfect. See how nice a V8 can run with the distributor at the front, 💥
Wow you guy's didn't degree the camshaft!!
Wondering if anyone's had an issue running the M68MV oil pump with this Moroso crank girdle? Lots of comments on Summit from people saying they had to grind and modify things to make clearance.
I'd love for you guys to purposely build an engine incorrectly to show what can possibly go wrong
Visit a junkyard.
Just ask toymota they do that all the time
That would be a very long video.
This engine dropped into a small bumper 1970-1972 Maverick would literally be SCARY!!
I REALLY want to own another Ford Maverick of any year before I put my tools down for the final time. Short wheelbase and 2800-2900 pounds from the factory with MANY areas to drop several hundred more pounds of weight. It's basically THE perfect drag car!
I love this show but.... They drive me crazy when it comes to ford stuff. Using studs for the intake but not mains or heads, spending thousands on high quality parts but not an adjustable timing set like they usually would on a chevy, using lunati with dog bone retainers instead of a good comp tie bar (yes I know they're a sponsor but so is comp) and spinning it to 6500? what is up with that, still wasn't nosing over. 400hp from a cam and head swap isn't a big deal with a regular 5.0 let alone spending thousands for 100 horse. So frustrating
It’s because it’s the stage 1 build
Baggerz Anonymous they have people getting over 400 hp with stock everything inside and outside the engine in stock eliminator class. Actually the cam is the only change it's a stock lift super long duration cam. Those 5.0 ho are good engines
Summit doesn't show that block.. they switch you to a 5K combo from this episode.. bait and switch!
I'm sure availability and pricing had changed over the years since this was aired.
All these parts new is over 5 grand now.
You can buy the 86-93 5.0 blocks all day long off craigslist, Ebay, etc. You just have to have a shop do the machine work.
@@allanb3222 I mean, it's only been 5 years.......
@@SOLDOZER block will split like a toothpick at this power level...
I would love to see what you guys could do with a 5.2 magnum 318
340 heads rv cam
400 HP 318?: www.hotrod.com/articles/318-small-block-build
There is a guy running 10.80s in his barracuda with a 318 fourspeed. The most underrated engine mopar ever buikt
Yeah! Sure... a weekending bro-dad and his TikTok 14 year old can slap this one together in no time!! SMH..
1 5/8 header was too small. 1 3/4 will pickup power , maybe over 15... also vict jr's are not very good out of the box... try a super victor instead, will also give you 15 more...
I bought the same rotating assembly so did they really make a make gap on piston rings or do the rings come already to proper gap? So you just put them on the piston?
A roller 351 would crush this engine for alot less money.
@Steve Hicks
Damn Hicks did you see how many grammar and spelling errors you spat out? That aint don't quiet werk fer mush in yer faver.
😡
I don’t know if the Engine Power guys read this, or if the PowerNation guys can let them know this, but can we possibly see a Hemi build at some point?
Next you should rebuild and upgrade a 305 5.0 gm block. I used to drive a 305 5.0 liter with a 750 cfm 4 barrel QuadraJet 3 speed automatic transmission 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais for about 4 years when I was working plumbing / new construction work in Arizona for few years.
Had a 305 no don't bother
Excellent job and approach guys, thank you very much for your show! :-) Part list for your builds are incredible addition to all of us who dream about assembling own engine :-) BIG Thumbs up! :-)
Sticking with a 332" (3.25" x 4.030") ends up making more power and being generally more durable than the larger 347" stroker due to the better rod to stroke ratio. I run custom length 5.5" rods in my 332", so the rod to stroke ratio is 1.69:1, which is what a stock 302 has. Longer piston dwell times and less piston side load on the cylinder walls means more efficiency and longevity. Also, when building a stroker, (or any high hp 302) the pre-1983(you can tell from the 2-piece rear seal vs 1-piece rear seal) 302 blocks weigh 120 lbs, whereas their newer counterparts only weigh 80 lbs. That extra 40 lbs of cast material was removed mostly from the main bearing support area of the block in the new castings, and Ford did that to help lighten the nose on the Mustang fox bodies for better handling. The end result is, a heavier older 302 block can "reliably" handle upwards of 800-850hp, while the newer 5.0 blocks can only deal with 450-500 before they fail.(that's assuming you run a billet steel main stud girdle)
p.s. The Race Demon carb series were tested on a dyno vs various performance fuel injection systems, and the Race Demons actually made more HP and much to the surprise of everyone, also outperformed fuel injection on low end torque too. Barry Grant knows how to build a carb. This is why I always suggest the Barry Grant RD carbs over any other Holley style carb.
Thanks for the info. Would you mind sharing more please?
I never could believe the 5.0 blocks could handle so little
Did u hear that engine sounded bad ass, wish I could fit this on my daily fuel efficient saturn sl1 95 it would be a sleeper
It would bend it in half. Don't do it ❌
I always thought you needed to degree a cam when doing a build and not to trust dot to dot.
Wow, what a nice video with attention to detail and the small block is really nice. Thanks
Of course this one is better then the earlier 260/289/302’s cause they weren’t roller engines just solid and hydraulic cams.
Those are not 205 heads
You are right had to rewind those are afr 195
There must be a mountain of split 302 blocks piled up somewhere.....because it seems that they will self-destruct at 500 horsepower. Has anyone here ever actually broke small block Ford themselves at that power level? Not just what you've heard or seen on the internet.....in real life.....let's hear the story.
But they can get 1000hp out of them.best ford V8 block is a nascar block it has thicker bores.& 4 bolt mains but they ain't cheap.over $3gran for bare block
Great to see as I'm in the middle of doing a 347 build. The "order up some pushrods they'll be with you next day" thing unfortunately not so easy if you live in the UK. More like three weeks. And then there's duty to pay on top of shipping before you can actually take delivery. (Expensive). We do have some really good helpful American speed parts stockists here in the UK but they can't stock everything a huge US company like summit can unfortunately.
Chas Evans yeah i know how you feel. Im in Oz and its the same hassles but you wait 2 months for stuff to get here, then its wrong and have to send it back. Plus its triple the price compared to US.
I have always wondered why it's better to stroke a 302 out to 347 instead of just starting with a 351, does the 347 have a longer stroke than a 351?
Because the 351W can be stroked out to a 427. That's why.
Never understood 347s...Just get a bloody 351W. It literally fits directly where a 302 goes. Don't even need swap mounts.
Parts are just as cheap since it shares alot of parts, blocks are plentiful and roller ready.
i was thinking that too. i like the 302 but if going for more cubes why not the 351?
it dosent always fit, depending on what you run
I love these small block Fords. That’s all I built back in the late 80’s-90’s. These little engines are Bullit proof that’s why Carol Shelby loved them on his cars.
This would’ve been a cooler project if they would’ve done an efi 5.0.
Carb was just easier to test on the Dyno, a 86-93 Mustang EFI system would net same results with a good tune, n maybe even more hp n tq with the longer "upper n lower" intake runners...
Step up to Holley efi management n numbers would definitely jump!
Naw it wouldn't sound as good as a carb. I'd miss it.
@@martingatavaski1351 Horsepower would probably come down a few points but it wouldn't increase. You wouldn't see the horsepower difference until it was boosted. EFI would have a definitive torque advantage.
@@senna138 If they used a more aggressive cam with 114 degrees of lobe separation and a high rpm intake manifold it would sound similar. I believe they build the motor for high RPM anyways, so it wouldn't change the performance much. Unless you mean the vacuum lines/distributor whirring. That cannot be replicated.
EFI is ghey.
Buy a Cleveland is 351 no stroking needed
Why would you not degree the cam to get that cam inline with spec.
This drives me crazy about this show. They do every trick in the book when it comes to a chevy. but they spend thousands on this engine and don't use an adjustable timing set. if It was a chevy they would have.
@@johnhamblin12201 the timing set has multiple keyways on the crank gear to adjust intake centerline. I'm positive this cam was put exactly where they wanted it.
The cam was 4 degrees advanced.
@@bigboreracing356 how do you know we build super late model engines for runing in nascar i have seen deg a cam put out up to 30hp.
@@bigboreracing356 For all we know they degreed the cam and didn't show us. It takes a little time to do.
Awesome results. I'd love to see you guys do a street/strip, more street, 393 Windsor with a stock block. My block is the slightly shorter deck height 9.480" version out of a 69 Torino. From what I understand the main girdle webbings are thicker too. I'm trying for 10.5 to 11 to 1 compression.
393stroker I did exactly that for my 68 Fairlane! She's a beast.
@@buckykattguitar What heads and induction did you end up going with?
good. job. for. 302 ,,347,,bad. hot. rod
I'm going to build a 347 stroker for my 66 Mustang. I just can't help myself.
Arp studs for the intake and oilpan but not for the heads or crank?
Luke Teverino it's all arp hardware
The heads of the studs on all the main caps and the girdle looked like arp
Using ARP studs is basically a given.
Nazty604 they used bolts not studs. Studs are stronger and should be used in places where they are needed more than the oil pan. Like the heads and crank
ricky Lawson they used bolts not studs. Studs are stronger and should be used in places where they are needed more than the oil pan. Like the heads and crank
Great motor build. But I’d liked to see a 347 build for the street where most of us guys would be driving....
Yes I'd like to see the torque horsepower ratings on that engine with initial timing and with the torque was lower RPMs
5.0 HO 🏁🏁🏁
5.0 LO
@@spankthemonkey3437 gay=you
@@ragimundvonwallat8961 That's not what your mom said you transexal Troll...
504 HP? So basically the same HP as a stock $500 junkyard 6.0 LS engine and a cam swap. And this stroker cost you $10K. Hahaha!!!
a junkyard 351 can do 1000hp with a turbo and live if you gapp the rings correctly. richard holdner just did a few weeks ago so there you go. an 8.2 ford block is limited
That is one sweet, smooth running engine. I could listen to it purr all day long.
I'm a mustang guy, and I never understood building a 302. Sell the engine and get a 351 and then invest the money into the stroker and end up with more of everything at about the same cost.
351 Windsor's aren't a drop in in Fox bodies. You need a new intake, a new oil pan, new oil pump, different headers, a new flywheel, and a new harmonic balancer. The aceesory brackets are different too. That's not counting sourcing a new core for rebuilding. You're probably looking at $1500+ before the rebuild even starts. $1500 isn't chump change.
Built Ford tough
What about checking the intake clearance between it and the 'China walls"? I had an issue with mine being too big, had to get .030 shaved off the intake runners to lower the intake into the wedge created by the cylinder heads. This was need due to the decking of the block (.010), which changed the geometry of the cylinder head placement relative to each other and the intake.
Overall, I wish I never took on building a Windsor 302. I thought it was a good motor until realizing its great deficiencies of main webbing strength (almost all stock blocks crack) and its small deck height creates major side-loading issues that prematurely wear out the cylinder bores in stroked applications. If you must build a stroker' Windsor, use the .030 pistons and a slightly less radical stroke than what the 347 requires to minimize side-loading. 347's require your piston compression height to be so small that your require a ring bridge to support the oil rings, makes you wonder about if exaggerating the stroke so much to get to 347ci is worth it long-term.
Loving the blue oval content!
I don't see this block on Summit
Need this motor bad!!!
Where is that block? I don't see anything on Summit's site.
This originally aired like 5 years ago. It's not on their site. Try calling 🤷♂️🤔
Yo... what about that 351 Cleveland love?! 😢
all that oil for the pressure fed hydraulic lifters and not one drop for the timing chain. dumb.
7k rpm runs + stock block + 500 hp/tq = kaboom
No it doesnt you idiot.
That was awesome. Something I am wondering...what is the run in procedure before you do the high rpm runs? How is that done?
will 5.0 split Factory H.O. block at over 500 hp
I was wondering that too. I’ve heard that it will (engine masters). I think they went with an aftermarket block for stage 2.