Getting More Power Out Of A 5.0L Small Block Ford - Engine Power S2, E9
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2019
- On this Engine Power episode, the team tests the limits of Ford's 5.0L block with big compression, solid roller cam, and 8000 RPM dyno runs.
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Air Flow Research: Cylinder Heads, Competition Porting, Aluminum, Assembled, 58cc Chamber, 195cc Intake, Ford, Small Block, Pair
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1764
Cometic Gasket, Inc.: Head Gasket, Multi-Layer Steel, 4.030 in. Bore, 0.027 in. Compressed Thickness, Ford, 289, 302, 351W, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1773
Eagle Specialty Products: Engine Rotating Assembly, Competition,(ESP)Forged Crank, Forged Mahle Pistons, H-Beam Rods, Ford, Small Block, Kit
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1768
Edelbrock: Intake Manifold, Super Victor, Single Plane, Aluminum, Natural, Square Bore, Ford, 289/302, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1770
Edelbrock: Intake Manifold, Victor Jr,, Single Plane, Aluminum, Natural, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Ford, 4.7L, 5.0L, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1766
Hooker Headers: Headers, Super Competition, Full-Length, Steel, Painted, Ford, Mercury, 5.0L, Pair
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1772
Jesel Inc.: Rocker System, Full Roller, 1.7 Ratio, Shims, for AFR 165-225cc Outlaw Cylinder Heads, Ford, Small Block, Kit
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1774
Lunati: Cam & Lifters, 351W, V292HR10
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1765
Lunati: Camshaft, Mechanical Roller Tappet, Advertised Duration 279/285, Lift .624/.640, Ford, 5.0, 5.8L, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1776
Lunati: Lifters, Mechanical Roller, Vertical Link Bar, Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Set of 16
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1779
Lunati: Valve Springs, Dual, 1.550 in. Outside Diameter, 551 lbs./in. Rate, 1.150 in. Coil Bind Height, Set of 16
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1777
Lunati: Tool St Retainers 1.437 10 DEG
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1778
Moroso: Street/Strip Oil Pan, Ford 289-302, Kicked-Out Sump, Front Wet Sump, 7-quart capacity, 8" Depth, Black Powdercoated finish
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1769
Quick Fuel Technology Inc.: Carburetor, Black Diamond Q-Series, 750 cfm, Mechanical Secondary, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Drag Race, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1767
Quick Fuel Technology Inc.: Carburetor, Black Diamond Q-Series, 950 cfm, Mechanical Secondary, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Drag Race, Each
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1771
Summit Racing: Engine Block, Cast Iron, 2-Bolt Mains, 4.030 in. Diameter Bore, 1-Piece Rear Main Seal, Ford, Small Block, 302
More Info: pntv.us/pn_pt_1763
Bakers Auto Machine & Supply: Auto Machine Shop in Franklin, TN
Race-Gas.com: Race Fuel Concentrate, Qt
The Industrial Depot: Industrial Depot - Fasteners, Hardware, And Shop Supplies 
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I’m I’m sure the audience would love to see a bolt on fuel injection system on this engine for a test
PowerNation i need that engine for my 71 F100..... 😬
THESE ENGINES WON LEMANS IN 1964 IN THE 289ci FORM IN THE GT-III CLASS AND BEAT FERRARI BY ALMOST 40 MINUTES. A YEAR EARLIER A FORD AC 289ci FIRST RACED AGAINST FERRARI WAS 20 MILES AHEAD WHEN IT BLEW AN OILER COOLER. IN THE COBRAS THEY SLAUGHTERED THE CORVETTES AND WERE NO COMPETITION. THESE ENGINES ARE A TERROR AND THE REASON YOUR LS TODAY IS BASED ON THE FORD WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK. JUST PUT YOUR FINGER INTO THE INTAKE PORT OF A LS AND YOU WILL SEE THEY CURVE INTO THE INTAKE VALVE AND IDENTICAL DESIGN TO THE WINDSOR WHICH IS A SPIRAL INDUCING COMBUSTION CHAMBER, WHICH ALSO THE HIGH RISER FORD 427 RAISED PORTS WERE USED BEING A FORD THEORY OF ENTERING THE CYLINDER AT A STRAIGHTER SHOT INTO THE CYLINDER GIVING IT BETTER FLOW. THIS IS THE REASON LS HEADS CAN GIVE YOU BIG BLOCK FLOW NUMBERS. CHEVY IS A JOKE. AND THE CAMARO IS IN BIG TROUBLE AGAIN, SLATED TO BE CLOSED DOWN A SECOND TIME BY THE MUSTANG. WHY DON'T YOU DO A EPISODE ON THE PURE STOCK COYOTE NMRA RACING. WHERE 425HP STOCK OFF THE FORD ASSEMBLY LINE ENGINES WITH COLD AIR INTAKE AND HEADERS ONLY WITH FORD'S TUNE COMPUTER. IN 3000LBS FOXBODY MUSTANGS ARE GOING 9.80'S ON PUMP GAS AND 9.40'S ON RACE GAS AND OUTLAW TUNE. THIS GOES BEYOND MIND BOGGLING HOW A 425HP COULD GO SO FAST. THE REASON FOR THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THESE OVERHEAD CAM COYOTE ENGINES CAN REACH THE POWER BANNED EXTREMELY QUICK, WHERE AS A STANDARD PUSHROD ENGINE REQUIRES MORE TIME TO GET INTO THE POWER BAN. SO IN THESE HORSEPOWER COMPARISON BETWEEN THE LS AND THE COYOTE WHERE THE LS WINS MEANS NOTHING. WITH LESS HORSEPOWER THE COYOTE WILL TAKE DOWN AN LS QUITE EASILY. THE NEW COYOTE ENGINES WITH THE 460HP ARE GOING EVEN QUICKER. WITH THE OLD 425HP COYOTE IN A 2500LBS CAR, WOULD THEORETICALLY GO 8.90'S. YOU SHOULD BUILD A NMRA PURE STOCK COYOTE AND RACE IT. THIS WOULD MAKE A GREAT EPISODE.
Saw that sweet air powered valve spring compressor I Want one please ? Where can i purchase one ?
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under 350 cubes and 566 HP..... gotta love that Ford HP.
ACPHOTO Check out Chevys straight 6s from the 70s with turbos making 2,400 HP and doing 7.10 quarter mile times.
@@chloehennessey6813 Why the fuck would we care. Ford has the Barra.
@@chloehennessey6813 the barra is better.
Unkle t0m When I see a Barra with stock block stock pistons, rings I’ll believe in Ford being built tough like these Chevy straight sixes doing sub seven second passes.
Brandon Smith Oh I thought you were racers-not fan boys. My mistake.
When racing we just like to go fast and don’t really have a preference on Ford, Chevy, Dodge. It’s just whoever sponsors us and let’s us race on the weekends. 🤷🏼♀️
Id be happy with the stage 1 with the bigger headers and carb for 532hp sweet
Funny how they didn't use that comparison. Probably because they spent an extra $3k to make 30hp.
@@superkillr right?? AND you have to use race gas. I'll take the 532hp on pump gas any day.
@SquishBangBlow They have to help their sponsors sell their shit but were not stupid aye
@@superkillr it's not just 30hp though, it's power all the way to 8k rpm. That is what you'll need if wanting more strip versus street
Yeah, these are infomercials...
This is literally my favorite stuff to watch on youtube!
Would be really cool to see a comparison between the stroked 302, and a stock 351 bottom end with the same top end setup.
I’ll take the stage 1 version for sure! Thanks so much guys for this recipe in parts!!
Awesome job! I know my Foxbody guys are loving this! Maybe we should try a similar combo
Yessir! Maybe spray the bags off it with a lil giggle gas as well! 👍🏻
Picking up some build knowledge along the way.
Keep finding you all over YT, you sure you have a day job? Lol
I wanna see what the most power that is streetable na on pump gas.
@@stevenminix i had an old mustang mag where they sprayed one and made all the way up to 650hp.
I’m working on taking stage 2 a touch further
+1 for indexing those spark plugs
I can hear the webbing in that block cry from here. Making that kind of power with a stock block albeit wearing a girdle is amazing.
Dude has half his tool box in his shirt front pocket!
😂😂😂
Lol, McGyver
Somebody needs a small box.
Pat has probably forgot 95% MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW RICHARD
I installed a 347 Stroker from Probe Industries in my 1994 Mustang GT. It made 440HP on pump with 14 degrees. 347 Stroker, AFR 185's, Comp Custom Cam .542 / .562 Split Duration (94-95 ECU), Holley Systemax Intake with port match 700 for a 70MM Throttle Body, Pro-M 80MM MAF, 30 pound injectors, MAC 1-3/4" Ceramic Long Tube Headers with 3" Collector, MAC 3" Prochamber, MAC 3" Catback exhaust.
I drove Mustangs in the 70s, all 302. We were glad to have h/p exceeding cubic inches. Your numbers on the 1994 are amazing. Do you still drive this car and if so, what needed your attention to keep it running.
@@dalewier9735 I now have a 2020 GT with a Procharger making 800hp. If you click on my username you can see more if you’re interested. My 94 was is still my favorite out of the 6 Mustangs I’ve owned though just because how easy it was to work on.
Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland 😂 Windsors nice but the Cleveland note is just the sweetest 😍😍 Great work PowerNation loving this content
Father had an old souped up Cleveland that would rev like that.
What can i say,i'm a mechanic and i'm not easily impressed but these guys managed to impress me with their knowledge and resources
You mean availability of parts.
I’ve watched this show for years and I love it thanks for putting it on RUclips
... If you have to tell someone NOT to bang the Piston against the screw they shouldn't be doing this.
lol yep
Still good to tell those that are learning hands on... learning from RUclips videos ain't illegal... some are watching this in school...
@@MRGF78 I today understand that but if you're learning in school then they're also teaching you things like that are measured in thousandths and dinging a Piston would be a bad thing. Idk lol I just think that's sort of obvious.
They are speaking to a learning audience. I respect that. Not everyone is just a professional mechanic over night.
@@jacobbrettner1995 OMG...I am NOT a master mechanic, that is my father. I just think you REALLY would have that kind-of common sense working on engines and anything that works with that much precision.
That's super impressive. That's a combination that shouldn't be forgotten
What's up Pat?!!!!! This is Shaun from The School of Automotive Machinists back in 2007! You walked me through the School the first time I visited there! Awesome.
1.5x per cube is pretty dang good. I have pretty much the same combo but it's a Chevy rod, 302 piston, stock crank deal,357 Windsor. I ported some shit procomps , I spec'd a cam, solid roller 243, 257 @.050 .650 lift 110 +4. Put a thin gasket on it. It Dyno like 430 or so to tires through c4 on motor. But on the juice it fuckin gets it! Been a 1.21 60' and 12x mph in the 1/8th. It's about to go faster with a nitrous controller and electric wp and few other mods.
Ya know he probably won’t see this right...
Love this series, looking forward to episode 3
Imagine this kit on a 4.125 big bore! That 363 would be a giant killer!
I am building a 363 canted valve solid roller motor should be in the 600 + hp range on pump gas at 7,000 + RPM but if you want more go higher compression on race gas
Good job fellas 👍 thanks for the hard work and making the video.. very much appreciated
Man I love this show I learn so much big thanks from Australia.
Stage 1 and done . Stick it in my Crown Vic with a hipo manual trans. Dream.
Nice tip on finding tdc without dwell
Great build and great education!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!! I learned so much!!!!!
i like to watch them because your learning something from them so when something breakes down or something then i can fix it on my own
Man this is motivation love this show
Man it’s so nice to hear people talking very clearly lol, some people suck at explaining and getting their point across.
Sounds beautiful when you crank the motor
Thanks for doing this build. This is pretty much the same combination I did for a 347 I put into my Cobra Kit Car. I never dynode it, but my calculations said it should make about 535-550 HP. FYI - I went to a 650 carb and you could tell driving the car that the power picked up. So your dyno pulls more or less confirmed my numbers.
Awesome build guys. Very detailed
Love the show guys, keep up the great work!!
Loving the Ford stuff!!! I want one for my 🦊
What a nasty setup. Cool to see.
Awesome vid .yeah stock blocks dont like 7000rpm all the time. i have just found that out.
Check out that manicure. I’m going back to watching uncle Tony’s garage. I don’t have 50 grand for another motor
@David F Decker
Fast
Cheap
Reliable
You can only pick two.
Great stuff, guys!
I would have liked to see the 2" super sucker carb spacer that was used on stage 2, used on the stage 1 setup. I've found those spacers to be worth as much as 24 hp alone on some builds we've done. Nice work fellas.
Ford power!
Great Video thanks for posting it. Love the revvy little Windsor V8's tricked up!! 7000 is plenty for quick street for me. Older I get the more "real world" I'm becoming lol. But great video & knowledge you guys!
Damn that’s a nice little motor
Man that thing sounds good!
Awesome video can’t wait for stage 3
Started blowing away the 289's, 302's, 351's when I bought and ran the '87 Buick Regal's GNX's all day long with their 3.8's with an upgraded Garret Turbo ;)
Jack Makinson
Awesome! I used to beat up on those Regals all the time with a small block Ford 🤘🏻
Stock block, I'm impressed!
With a light weight piston and relatively short stroke it isn't as bad as a big inch stroker - but yes - it's pretty nice.
Well done fellas.
Nice job go ahead
thanks for the explanation
nice video thanks for great work
That's insane power out of a 302 block
4:52
Stage 2 8K RPM for my '94 GT vert sounds like the one for me no high tech nothing just ol school screaming V8
Super cool guys
Would have loved to see the AFR intake manifold and a Parker Funnel Web intake tested with this combination.
That was awesome!
Im happy to see you guys using eagle parts, because i want to buy an eagle rebuild kit for my 94 lt1 firebird.
So I'm curious, if you were to follow this build part for part, except not building a stroker and keeping it a 302, how high would it rev? Less rotating mass should mean higher redline to a point right?
Get ready to see that block split right down the middle in the next episode.
Did you not hear him say there going with a aftermarket block???
I don't see any reason why it would... The 302 is capable of quite a bit more power on the stock block. You don't need to go billet with the 302 until 950 hp or more.
@@anonymousanonymous9991 Stock 302 engines start to crack in the lifter valley around 600HP.
@@traeheck3614 In this 347 it might but anything between 302 and 331 won't crack until much higher. The 347 can be saved with different heads.
@@anonymousanonymous9991 302, 306, 331s have split around 500-550 hp. 347 is bored .030, which is basically what you would take a 302 to make a 306, you just increase the stroke by .40 to a 3.40 stroke over the stock 3.00 but that is made up in the rods and crank. There are plenty of vids and forum posts where people have split stock 302 blocks at just a little over 500hp. That's why they are going to a aftermarket block for Stage 3
Back before they had all this modern day technology, we would install a modified/massage at 351 Windsor heads on the 289 302. That was quite a few years ago before your aluminum heads were ever thought of.
That sure beats the stock 150 horsepower EFI 302 in my 87 thunderbird
Back in the eighties I loved leaving the stop light with 5.0 fords of all types my chevy 350 4 speed would do 6000 rpm shifts and by third gear the fords would just give up, the cam and holley double pumper was the secret combo I just loved dumping the clutch and getting rubber in the first three gears those poly glass tires hooked like fly paper when burning hot!
A pushrod v8 that revs up 8k should be in a road racing car, not in drag car. In my opinion, that is, of course.
Underpaid Racer Your opinion is wrong, as usual. Drag cars spend all day at high rpm. Road race cars do not...
@@alexcorona why'd you assume that I am always wrong? Do you know me or something? And RR cars have engines that make power linearly. If you look at the dyno figure of this engine, you'll see that it's quite linear. And so all I did was shared my opinion.
@@driffbro3380 These small block Ford Windsors were used in racing with great success. In the 289ci form Shelby used them in Cobras and GT350's.
@@alexcorona agreed
You guys are awesome
That’s one rowdy sounding power pumping SBF
For thoses who dislike this video please give a reason why is love to see just how educated and smart you are.
I didn't dislike the video, but it's probably because they could or they dislike every video they watch or maybe they voted for Clinton.
I love this show. Just shows how much $$ it takes to make power. You can grab an LS or MOD motor with any blower and make more for less.. great builds on this show
great video thanks cheers
I'd love to have the stage one in a Mercury Capri bubble back.
Bryan Jones a 351 Windsor that’s a mild 450 horsepower motor is definitely fun in a 1979 Mercury Capri
Savage power that would be one fun car.
This is my favorite car channel.
@northlander I watch every one of his Videos too. I love his channel even though I'm not really a Mopar guy lol!
@northlander He sure is. You guys are cool cats aswel. You have any vids on the Pontiac 455? That's my all time favorite engine along with the 327 ;)
Hot rod put out a formula years ago to get 400hp out of 302ci w/o alot of voodoo or special parts , I built three or four of them , they were a blast , didn't need hardly any special parts , just needed to take 2/3 weeks and learn how to Port cast iron heads of the right vintage to the max , then have them flow benched.
Great numbers
I have 347 Stroker made 330 hp to the wheels!! I need to build a real 347 like this one.. Thank you for the information
These 347's will make a LOT more power! Ours is around 800 hp na on pump gas. And will spin WELL over 8000 rpms. Our shift light don't come on till 8600 and there is plenty after that. Get those heads professionally ported and better headers. Then you will be snapping blocks in half like we did. (5 in total) then got a aftermarket dart block.
CowsGo Moo lol. We picked up well over 100hp. Just got to know how to do it.
Damn those guys are having real fun 😐
How often do you now have to adjust the value clearance? How long before the solid lifters start performing at the same level as the old hydraulic lifters ?
I got a 67 for galaxie 500 with ah 390 and got the engine rebuilt but still have time to put a bigger Cam and intake any suggestions on the best Cam i can install as far as performance without having to change the anything major on the motor?
WOWWWWWWW, THATS SERIOUS POWER
Tbis was back in the day when N/A was popular. Now you build that 347 with 9 to 1 like phase 1 and put a vortec or procharger on it and be done lol
OK. Can these types of HP/torque improvements be achieved with a different top end, i.e., an Extrude Honed Trickflow or Edelbrock intake and a high flowing injection system?
There was some talk about the wall thickness of 85-86 5.0 blocks allowing a bore of 4.125”. I would probably go to 4.100” and stroke that. I already have too many projects, though. Like a 393 roller cam Clevor stroker.
Wow, not bad with a stock block! But I hear, if you line hone the cam journals and the mains in the block, keep a good tune, they hold up pretty good! I’m trying to mock Joe Sherman’s 347 with roller cam, he got 530hp with the AFR 185cc heads, guy did same build but used the AFR 205cc heads and got close to 600hp! Those little Fords can wind out the power!
You left a valve cover nut loose on the driver side center. You can see the washer bounce around in the stage 2 dyno pull
Nice build. not a chevy guy but i think smb get same hp numbers with les parts. You guys tray to build ford clevo👍
Also, how about do more dyno runs with the motor in the car with all accessories in & running
Awesome 👍
Love the small block Ford engines. There’s a reason Shelby used these style type small blocks on the early Cobras. And it all started with the little 260,289,302,351W. When Ford put the 302 roller engine on the early Fox bodies, it was a great engine but was just lacking horsepower. But when they figured it out it was a little BEAST.
I remember my first ride in a 1988 LX 5.0 Mustang 5-speed. First time I had been to 140 mph. Even at just 225hp it felt and sounded mean as hell!! Felt much faster than any Mopar or Chevy at the time. Most Camaros and Corvettes in the 80s were auto transmission cars which were joy killers back then. Even if you did stumble across a stick shift Chevy they were still lacking that beautiful exhaust sound 5.0s are known for.
I'm planning my Cobra project. Is either the Stage 1 or Stage 2 available as crate package from Summit yet? (I'm leaning towards Stage 1). Love this motor! It's very close to the original / authentic Cobra 427SC, but in a 302 block!
Sweet power out of a small package sweet video hope you guys dont sale out like motortrend channels
Id love to see this same set up for stage 1 and 2 with fords big bore 363 stroker
I would be totally happy with stage one with the bigger headers
What do you guys do with the first set of heads after and do you sell the engines or used parts ..I would love to get my hands on some of it
keep an eye on Summit Racing's clearance section. They will sell entire Short blocks and Long Blocks from previous builds. Just have to catch them at the right time.
Aren't y'all worried about splitting the block, they're notorious for it apparently around 400-500 hp
Will Morales lol, I’ve seen 302/347 stroker motors that were twin supercharged that made over 1000 horsepower reliably. Check out a guy by the name of Craig Radovich, he was a true Ford guy
AltoAnimal109 Ball they weren’t the two bolt main production blocks, Craig was running a ford performance four bolt main block in that car, or a dart block, yes you can make over 500 in them and be somewhat reliable with the right block prep, and main girdle naturally aspirated, but throw in power adders and that gets risky, over 700 it’s a bomb waiting to blow and will split right through the China rails and lifter valley all the way down to the mains. Could someone have pushed 1000 horses through a production 2 bolt main block yeah miracles can happen but I can assure you it was short lived and very very ugly when it went south
AltoAnimal109 Ball not stock he didn’t not for longer than one pull... Chris Watson has some big numbers and while it’s possibly twin superchargers?
What was the runout on the intakes of those AFR heads? Around nine thousands straight out of the box.
I wonder if you leaned out the Jets in the 950 on the "stage 1" a little bit you may be able to squeeze out a bit more too
I built basically the identical engine as the stage 1 first before they beefed it up more.its in a ranger with a 5 speed.i had a big carb and the old timer that helped me assemble it kept saying that I had too much carb. I put the truck on the dyno and I wasn't super happy with the 436 hp. I called the old guy and he was there with a Holly 650 with vacuum secondaries.i just shook my head,but in 3 hours we put it on the dyno and after him jetting it and playing with the timing and after 4 dyno passes he said that is all you are gonna get and I looked at the screen and 482 hp at 6700 rpm. He won't sell it to me,but he swears 3 to 400 hp street cars,they are the best carb ever built.he said bolt them on and go.but I have no clue what is done to the carb,but he has me sold on them.
Have you guys ever used a efi pro Flo system, are they any good. I have a 302 and want to get it rebuilt
Would this be a good motor to spray?
8000 rpms thats crazy 566 hp on stock block not bad
How long will the block hold up if running daily?
That was very impressive. to bad I can’t put that in my Ranger. LOL.
I would love to see this motor with p38 heads
Watching dis at school
Yay...a Ford ! I always thought it was better to not have 2 middle ports close together like Chevy.
And distributor is in the right place
Buff Barnaby its still a junk ford with the distributor in the dumbest place possible
And it must really hurt knowing if you spent half this Budget on an LS it would eat this ford
They're all awesome. LS, coyote, sbf, sbc, big blocks.. mopar. Just enjoy the episode. FFS
@@stewartwilliams5652 I couldn't imagine limiting myself to one manufacturer. Could you imagine how sour your life would have to be?
@@stewartwilliams5652 I agree but the $ per hp buy in for LS is about the cheapest it has ever been. Now old SBC Nos parts might be cheep too but I doubt it
this puppy would handle a procharger/nitrous combo with ease !!!
Compression might be too high for forced induction on pump gas. They already had to up the octane.