Being Gay In A Post-Communist Country | Introverts | What It's Like Living Here
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2021
- A lot of people have been asking us to tell you more about gay life in our region. We thought it could be also interesting to compare some differences between the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Enjoy!
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In the U.S., we hear little of the Czech Republic or Slovakia, so learning about gay life there is especially interesting. By going online and being public with your lives, you are pioneers in a way. I've also enjoyed seeing Brno, your country house, and other places you've shown us.
Thanks, James. We're glad you found the topic interesting and we're always happy to show you guys what our part of the world is like 😊
I read today that there was a vote in Czech on marriage equality, and the voting was a success. There will be marriage equality in Czech👏👏👏
It's funny they were discussing it in the parliament today just as we released this video 😃 Unfortunately they didn't vote about passing same-sex marriage but only about not rejecting it. Some conservative parties were trying to cancel the efforts and the parliament voted against it, which means the discussion will continue in the future.
@@tommyandpeter can you please tell me how can I find a gay events in Prague? I have been there and it is like they do not understand me... :(
PRIDE shows "the color of life", that's a beautiful way to describe it. Nice one Peter
Just like our flag 🏳️🌈 😊
You mentioned the different attitudes toward gay couples between cities and small towns. Do you feel comfortable as a gay couple with your neighbors at your country house?
That's a good point! We feel quite comfortable with our neighbors and they know we're gay. The only weird people in our vicinity are construction workers on the neighboring property with all the animals who were also building their fence there recently. They're from the "real" Eastern Europe 🤭
An interesting discussion. Always grateful that I live in Australia. ❤️
Glad you liked it! There are certainly worse countries than Australia to live in 😉
Hi Tommy and Peter 💙 this was a very interesting video and you guys were amazing choosing the topic. Times are changing every day and it is elot better than it used to be 👍. Sure is good to see you guys again 💙 and love your haircut Peter you look so handsome 😆 Tommy did a good job 👍 thanks for sharing this video 💙 love you guys and till next time be safe and healthy ♥️🤠
Thanks Bob, we're glad you enjoyed this topic. A lot of you had asked for it so we finally decided to give you what you wanted 😁 I'm relieved Peter's haircut looks good so I don't have to fix it 😊
Howdy Boyz!! I hope that you never have to face the thing that I lived through in my time. I'm better than 25 years your senior & remember that harrassment was the least you had to worry about. Men were beaten to death for being gay! I sincerely hope that in your time, you will never see the pure hatred that I lived through. May the two of you be blessed with more wonders from the universal constant. Mega Hugs from America!!!!! MUAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Ken, we're sorry to hear what you had to live through. We complain about silly little things in comparison to what things were like back then. On a more positive note, it's quite impressive to see the progress people have made since then. Let's hope things will continue to improve in the future ❤️
Boys, I am addicted to your videos. Keep going : you make the world better.
Aww, thanks Marc, that's very sweet of you 🤗
Thanks guys. Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it, Andrew 😉
Thanks again for sharing your lives! I look forward to these reports from the Czech Republic. I have to admit, however, that I kind of miss Czechoslovakia --- but only because I was the only kid in my class who could spell it correctly on the first try.
That's why we split up, to make it easier for people to spell the names of our countries 😎 But it didn't help, people still don't know how to spell "Czech" 😃
Good job cutting Peter's hair, Tommy! It looks great. Thanks for sharing information about gay life in your home countries. I enjoy hearing about life elsewhere. Be well.
Thank you, now I don't have to worry about cutting Peter's hair again for a couple of months at least, I hope 😁 Glad you enjoyed the video.
Loved the video. Your hair is perfect 👌 very cute 🥰
Thanks guys! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊
Very interesting. We can only hope for overall acceptance of all people over time. Loving your hair Peter.....well done Tommy 🥰
Thanks! I'm just happy I didn't ruin Peter's hair 😄
This reminds me when I was on high school graduation trip in Prag, when I was 17 yo, in 2004. We saw from our bus ( which was stopped in some parking lot or something like that) two guys kissing, and we all started staring and we were astonished by what we saw, because we never saw something like that before. I think it was even more surprising for me because I am gay to, and I thought I was the only one in the world, back than. Nowadays, in Croatia, you still cannot see something like that on the street. Maybe in capital, I am not sure, but in my town not for sure. So, Chech Republik is advanced I think. Good for you :)
That's a great story 😁 If my class went to Prague at that age and we saw two guys kissing, everybody would stare as well since we wouldn't see that in our small town. Prague is very different compared to the rest of the country, it's very liberal and international. It would be probably the best place for gay people in this country to feel free.
@dora in zagreb yiu can see itm in pula too, rijeka too, my dad had a heart attack almost few weeks ago at train station when 2 guys in early 20ties kissed, hell i even kissed my ex last year in the middle of a square. but then again i was the one who was part of organising first pride so i dont know, maybe i am rebelious one, or maybe i reached the age where i dont give a crap anymore about anything..
@@boredutopia good for you. Yes, things are starting to change, especially in some liberal towns and areas
@@dorakranjc8361 well it was about darn time to be honest, i dont know i am one of those kids who lived thru war, was a refugee in west europe and when i came back i just did not fit, like many other and was so screwed coz og PTSD, coz of darn 3 months siege, shit wich happened after vukovar fall some of them are still blocked somehwere in my mind, others resurfaced during time, most never left my brain. then to be hit by granade in 1992 or early 1993 and bshifteto eland, coz my dad could not bare to loose one more child, coz we had no idea where the hell my brother is, last time we saw him was in velepromet where they gathered us like a fckn cattel and sorting by nationality, by name, by gender, by age, we saw brother for just short time before he was separeted and put with other men coz he had darn zenge on his feet, someone was yelling he is only 16, but nope they took him, so i was sent to iceland, after granade hit me, had no idea wth is going back home with dad, did he trace where brother is, nothing, so i continued my life, when i got back, the things wich were hapening, all that religious crap going to point of extremism, it was so fucking same, then protest for radio 101 happened and they ordered to send tanks on us. so i dont know i was fckn tired and had enough that i was rdy to die that day, when minister refused the order i said darn it i am staying and i am going to be part of changing machine even if i have to turn the wheels by myself. then i joined the support group, bunch of us was in it, from bosnia, some people i even knew from vukovar, so one day one guy describes the torture, the rapes,he is talking about one particular person, i think in myself same name as my brother, later that same guy approaches me and tells me you remind me of someone and then both of us realise that i just listened the torture of my own brother. who survived, just to take his own life in 2016... so yeah sometimes i think that eerything is vain coz we keep doing same shit over and over...
@@dorakranjc8361 oh njesra, sorry dora, ja sam malo u banani, 11ti mjesec i prosinac me uvijek shebu.. pogotov pred bozic, na badnjak se buraz ubio 2016te.. zanemari prošli koment..
love the new haircut and color, brings out the color of your eyes more
Thank you 🥰 It was fun to be blonde while it lasted.
@@tommyandpeter indeed, it did suit you 😄
Another great video Gentlemen. When I first saw Peters hair, I thought to myself that he had another "run in" with the new lawn mower. LOLOLOL
It looks like RUclips didn't like my joke as my previous reply disappeared! Ok RUclips, I promise I won't use our lawn mower to cut Peter's hair.
@@tommyandpeter Stupid RUclips. I am sure I would have loved your original comment. lol
hey het tommy n peter love your channel frank talking down to earth introverts like me
Thanks! We're happy to hear that. Always happy to see another introvert like us 😊
Fortunately, mentalities are changing, and they are opening up more and more about this and other themes, which refer to minorities. Because as Peter said, people are no longer afraid to come out, and I think that PRIDE, continues to show that, and should continue to show, that the differences exist and we all have to respect! Great video guys! Maybe we´ll can see you, married for real, one of this days!💕💕
We're very fortunate to live at this time, we have it much easier than the generations before us. Glad you enjoyed the video! We're waiting for that real marriage 😊
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Love the hair 👍
I also wouldn't like holding hands while hiking, but I would do it anywhere else. It's so sad that you're not free to do that.
Yeah, sadly sometimes world is not fair...
Always interesting hearing how things are different there. It is very unfortunate that y'all have less rights there...but there is always hope that things will improve. Not into going out and that lifestyle either so I totally understand. Glad that your work colleagues make it easier...but in the end you have each other and that is beautiful.
You are right, we are lucky to have each other 😊 We'll see what happens in the future with all the laws and stuff 😁
Hopefully more and more countries will move forward with a more open mindset soon! It was interesting to listen to you guys. I'm from Hungary and people are very conservative there as well.
Unfortunately it seems to be something all our post-communist countries share. But things are slowly improving (in most places) so fingers crossed 🤞
Love the hair Peter and thank you both for the discussion about gay life in Czech Republic and Slovakia . We live in Massachusetts, the first state to have gay marriage, 2004, we got married that year. Love you guys !!
Glad you enjoyed the topic. Didn't know Massachusetts was the first, you chose your state well 😊
Sending you Love from the USA you guys are awesome!😀
Thanks, Mark ❤️
Loving the new haircut.
Thank you 😊
I just found your channel and subscribed.
I love to know how things are going in Czechia (is it called "Czechia" now, isn't it?).
Hello and welcome. The longer name is the Czech Republic or shorter is Czechia 😉
Thank you guys for this video. I was wondering how gay life in the Czech Republic and this video answered those questions. The Czech Republic is a country where I would consider to live in. I am somehow more introvert and I think maybe I would fit in. Is it difficult to make (gay) friends in the Czech Republic? Does it take time? I have been there once and the people seemed to be polite and friendly, but reserved. Is that right? Thanks in advance for answering. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Hi Marcio, it's a difficult question for us because we are such introverts, so we don't seek out people 😀 But we would say you are right about the fact that Czechs are usually friendly but quite reserved. We know gay couples from Poland for example that moved to the Czech republic (because of Poland being very homophobic) and they like it here. It's probably the easiest to make friends at work. Not sure about gay friends but in Prague there are gay clubs and everything so if you are into that it's no problem. There are also various groups that you can find on the internet, for example gay hikers that go on trips every weekend 😉 Generally speaking Czechia is an ok country for lgbt people, it's safe and quite liberal (or people don't care). But why would you move here from the Netherlands?
Guys you are too funny. Gay life here in the states is by far different, yes but we still have a long way to go. We always look forward to your videos. Thanks for sharing parts your life with us.
We're glad you enjoyed the video! There's still work to be done everywhere.
Eng: I’m really happy to see some good LGBT video with my country in it aswell :)
I myself am part of the LGBT community and it really makes me happy to see that there are other people in my country that are part of it or support it ^^
When ever I search up LGBT slovakia it always gives me just homophobic videos and with politicians talking meanly about the LGBT community and it makes me so mad I can’t even explain how much and it just sickness me….
Thanks for taking your time making this great video :)
Sk: Som veľmi šťastný, že vidím aj dobré LGBT videá s mojou krajinou :)
Ja sám som LGBT a som veľmi šťastný že aj ďalší ľudia zo slovenska sú LGBT alebo to aj podporujú ^^
Pretože vždy keď si vyhľadám LGBT slovakia/ LGBT slovensko tak vždicky vidím homophobické videá alebo videá s politikmi ktorý ohovárajú alebo proste nadávajú na LGBT komunitu
Ďakujem Vám, že ste si zobrali ten čas natočiť toto super video :)
Ahoj, tak to sme radi, že sa ti naše video páčilo 😊 Na Slovensku to bohužial nevyzerá moc dobre, ale snáď sa to aj tam časom zmení.
@@tommyandpeter aj ja dúfam. Ale zatiaľ ľudia ktorí sú okolo mňa ma akceptujú a aj používajú moje prounouns a aj meno s ktorým som spokojný :) aj keď situácia není úplne najlepšia na Slovensku som rád že sú aj dobrí ľudia ktorým nezáleží na tom aké pohlavie má rád niekto alebo ako sa identifikuje. Som rád že mám to šťastie že mám super kamošov :D
a ďakujem za odpoveď na môj komentár ^^ prajem pekný deň!
Tak to je super, že máš okolo seba fajn ľudí, tak to má byť 😊
As my gay son and his husband say, "Love is love, whether between a man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman." Tommy and Peter you are so cute together talking about your life. Thanks for sharing.
Aww, thank you 😊 Exactly, love is love ❤️
Peter nice hair cut. Looks very good. My partner and I are like you guys as we don’t go to the Gay Pride parade for the same reason you gave and downtown Chicago were it’s held is huge. Hope things relax so you can feel more comfortable. Chicago does have a long street that all of the shops and restaurants are 99% gay owned and operated. It’s nice to visit but we haven’t done in a long time. Have a great weekend 🥰
Thanks, John! We don't have any "gay streets" here, I wonder what it's like. I suppose you can hold hands there in public without worrying what other people will think 😊
What an interesting topic to cover in this video. Nearly every country or area has it's issues to overcome when it involves a same sex relationship or marriage. I worry a little for you two with just a "registered partnership" when it might come to health issues (if one of you were hospitalized) - would the other have any say in the treatment or medical decisions or even be allowed in the hospital as a partner? And even more concerning if something (God Forbid) should happen to the other, are their any legal documents in your country that can be drawn up (such as a Last Will and Testament OR Trust Agreement) where the other's assets would automatically go the the partner rather than to a "next of kin"? Thank you as always for your straight-forward (and often amusing) video topics. All the best to you both.
We talked all about what's missing from registered partnership as compared to marriage that we forgot to say anything about the rights we gained by "registering" 😃 When it comes to medical treatment, hospital visits or inheritance, we have the same rights as married straight couples. That's why we went for the registered partnership, to get these rights in case we ever needed them 😉
Hi Tommy and Peter it was a very interesting video ! My brother is gay and in my country, France, it was not easy in the 80s, he and my brother in law have been hit several times (once by three men with baseball bat) in Paris where they lived in that times. I was so afraid and worried so much for them 😢...Then they decided to live in the country to be quiet and safe...Nowadays there is legal marriage and it is safer but there are still people who think bad about that...My idea is that it would be good to learn to children just to respect differences about weight, color of skin, nationality etc...for a better society and future. Still happy and in love ❤❤❤
Hi Marie, sorry to hear it was bad for your brother in the past. Luckily it's getting better eveywhere. It's similar here. And you are definitely right! It's important to teach children to be tolerant 🙂
Another fantastic video. Just love you guys so much. As for pride, I agree with Peter that it is absolutely important. I feel as I get older I don’t really attend them however when I recognize my sexuality, it was important for me to be around others celebrating their sexuality. I think that’s what pride is all about; celebrating yourself!
Thank you 😊 That's a good point about prides, it might be different for young people and people who have recently realized they're gay. We might not need them ourselves but others might find them very useful.
I have more comments after thinking about some of your comments. We take so much for granted being gay here in the north east of the USA . We are fortunate to live in a liberal part of our country. As you may know some areas in the US are not as liberal , some gay folks living in this country are faced with some super religious areas which tend to be narrow minded towards gay folks. Of course we find this all over the world. Many European countries were way ahead of the US regarding gay marriage, adoption, etc.. Your sharing has made us consider what we have and what take for granted, so again thanks for sharing, and lots of love to you guys!
Same here, actually! Reading back other people's comments we should still be grateful we live in a pretty liberal country and we don't have to worry about our safety unlike gay people in other parts of the world.
Tommy made a good job, Peter got a nice haircut!! I like better short hairs.
Thanks! I also think Peter looks much better and younger with short hair 😊
A very interesting video. You have touched on the gay life in your city before, but I was happy that you elaborated on the subject. I live in a rather conservative area and gays are not really accepted, however in the cities there are usually areas that are predominately gay and the show of public affection is quiet natural. New Orleans for example has a very large gay population and most gays live in a specific area. The smaller towns do not have that and gays are frowned on. Affection in public places is usually frowned on, especially if the gay couple flaunt their gayness. The larger towns usually have at least one gay bar where gays can meet. I find that the Czech Republic is very progressive and more than likely gay marriage will become a reality in the near future. Did not realize that Poland was so anti gay. I always thought that most European countries were very much ahead in accepting all things, more so that the US. You all explained the partnership agreement very well, but there is one thing I have a question about. In your current situation, what would happen to the country house and property if one of you should die? If the property was bought together, would either of you be able to claim it? If it is in one partners name only, what happens then? I have mentioned before that I visited the Czech Republic but failed to mention another town I visited that was very beautiful and enjoyable, that was Telc. Spent and afternoon there. Today am awaiting needed rain for most of the afternoon. Again thanks for the video. Take care of yourselves. Tony
PS Forgot to mention your laws about gays adopting children. You made an excellent point about gay singles being able to adopt but not gay couples. I think that is just stupid politics in action, they pass a law and forget or don't care about previous laws they enacted. Politicians are not very practical and are more concerned about how they relate to the public and their fellow members. It's called self interest. Thanks.
What I find interesting is that it's so common in US cities to have minority neighborhoods like a neighborhood where gay people live, neighborhood for black people etc. We don't have that here, even in big cities there are no gay parts, we all live integrated. I suppose it can have its pros and cons.
Europe is kinda like the US, there are differences between European countries just like there are differences between American states. Some countries are more liberal than others, there are big differences in the number of religious people as well. Czech Republic is one of the least religious countries in the world while our neighbor Poland is an opposite extreme.
Inheritance for registered couples works the same way as for married couples. We each own a half of the house so if I died, Peter would keep his half and he would inherit 50% of my half. Since we don't have children, the other 50% would be split between my parents. So Peter would own 75%, my mom 12.5% and my dad 12.5%. If my parents didn't live anymore, Peter would get everything. If I owned the house alone, Peter would get 50%, mom 25% and dad 25%. Of course that's assuming we wouldn't have a will.
We've never been to Telč ourselves but we hear it's a very beautiful town. We'd like to visit it one day. It's closer from our country house than from Brno so maybe a day trip there would be nice.
You're probably right about the adoption laws, now it's being discussed together with same-sex marriage so maybe within a few years gay couples will be allowed to adopt as well.
@@tommyandpeter Thank you for explaining that to me. Apparently it's pretty much the same in the US, however some states differ in some ways. Louisiana is probably the most different as all of our laws are based on the Napoleonic Code because the French were here for such a long time.
Hi friends,
My comment sent yesterday has once again disappeared although the like worked. So here it is:
Hi friends,
Once again, congratulations for your 3000th subscriber. Thank you for this video. It was interesting to learn that your two countries are totally different. So that's why Peter took the CZ nationality. Maybe the marriage will come after this health crisis which is more important for the government. In France, the surviving spouse is entitled to half of the salary of his or her husband and I think also to a reversionary pension depending on his or her income. If the spouses have not made a marriage contract, all property acquired by both spouses during the marriage is common property and goes to the survivor. France has been long to adopt gay marriage and homophobic attacks are on the rise. It is easier to be gay in the city than in the country. I was even surprised to see that there was a gay porn site in CZ! See you soon for news from the country house. Kisses to you both.
Hi Musu, your prediction was spot on! You said 3000 subscribers by the end of the month and here we are 😃 I read that same-sex marriage is legal in France since 2013 which is great. It's too bad to hear that even in your country there are still homophobic attacks. I guess it's not perfect anywhere. There are probably many porn sites in CZ, a lot of gay porn is filmed in the Czech Republic (mainly in Prague of course).
Hi - I wonder what language you speak with each other. Czech and Slovakian are said to be quite similar, I wonder how that works. I hope for you that all this will change quickly all over “central” Europe…but the Czech Republic is on the more modern side. 👍🍀
Hi, we speak a mix of Czech and Slovak 😁 Czechs and Slovaks understand each other no problems, so it's easy.
We hope so too - it's still not ideal even in the Czech Republic but at least it's ok.
Listening to what you were saying, it's reminds me of what it was for me and my husband when we lived in the states. Everything changed when we moved to Canada and got legally married. Unfortunately my husband passed away two years ago. I know exactly what you were saying about your situations in Czech and Slovakia... it's what the states were like.
We're sorry about your husband. We're glad you got to get married in Canada. We often hear about huge differences between the states, it really is like countries in Europe except everyone speaks English.
Isn’t the C.R. a part of the E.U? Would same sex marriage be a factor in joining? I’m from the USA so uncertain of the requirements of considerations for participating in the union.
Yes, our country is a member. There is no requirement for EU countries to allow same-sex marriage. All the countries (and candidates) are however not allowed to discriminate people based on their sexual orientation, for example at work.
Here (Netherlands) the marriage is non-discriminatory for 20 years now (don't call it gay marriage: the goal is one kind of marriage, just without discrimination against same-sex relationship) so the first to strike the discrimination. Adoption from foreign countries is still a thing I believe, but otherwise, all is equal.
It was done in a time period where lots of social issues were solved: abortion and euthanasia also allowed (under restriction).
Nowadays -with more/different religious people speaking up/being part of the debate- the last 2 changes even part of a plan to take away. Luckely they are a small minority, so the progress done two decades ago is still upheld.
Personally never have the urge to be married, although it would be more practical to do so: like straight people, marriage is also a practical step in the relationship, a way to formalize things. Civil union is a way to smoothen the surface to get ready to open marriage.
Benelux was always very progressive and I remember reading when the Netherlands (and then Belgium) were the first countries in the world to allow gay couples to get married 🥰 Unfortunately there will always be people opposing absolutely everything. There is no topic in the world where 100% of people would agree, no matter what it is. So it's not surprising there are a few people against marriage for same-sex couples in the Netherlands as well 😉
So I was searching for some info about what it feels like to be generally queer in Central Europe, as I'm actually considering moving to one of these countries. I think it would be also interesting to know how it is to be trans in one of these countries. Unfortunately, for the things you're saying about having to hide, the manipulation of the media or the less recognition of gay couples is why Pride is STILL important. Because of many economic interests of big companies (at least in Western Europe), the Pride is being "kidnapped" somehow, this is why in some places we celebrate "critical" Pride, which is the one that reminds the violences we still suffer, specially we trans people, who created the Pride originally. So I think it would be interesting if you have any trans friend to show their experience in both Czech R. and Slovakia, as I heard lately they are putting more cons for medical health care, for example. Very interesting view anyway. Send you hugs and kisses from Spain🏳⚧🥰
Hi, thanks for watching and commenting. Sadly we don't have any trans friends (we don't have many friends in general), so we don't really know how it is. We just know that being gay here in the Czech Republic is quite fine, most people are usually relaxed about it. Of course as everywhere there are conservative people that can have a problem with it, but in general we haven't encounter any problems. Not even in a tiny village where we have our country house and where we spend a lot of time 😊
In Slovakia it's far worse, we don't recommend moving there at all, the government is quite anti LGBT and the general atmosphere in the country is not good.
And you are right about pride! Greetings to Spain (we also have videos from Tenerife and Madrid, which we visited at the end of February this year) 😉
Very nice video! 💓✨ I'm brazilian and I'm moving to bratislava in a few weeks. Gonna stay there for one semester and I was kinda worried about being latino and lgbtq+ in Slovakia... I hope I can find at least a few queer friends there 😆🤞🏽
Bratislava should be no problem 😉 How did this happen? You going to Slovakia from Brazil 😁
@@tommyandpeter I got a scholarship there, it's something similar to Erasmus 😊 and I'm relieved that Bratislava will be no problem 😂
I am still surprised that anybody knows about Slovakia's existence 😁 Yeah, it will be ok, Bratislava is a normal European city 🙂
@@tommyandpeter what? 😂😂 A lot of brazilians know about slovakia existence lol slovenia and slovakia are getting pretty hyped on internet here these last weeks 😆😆
They are? Wow!! 😀 I hope you'll have a good time 😉
WOW...that was unexpected. I thought all of Europe was one big gay bath house or something (yes I'm kidding). You mentioned something about the media and Gay Pride parades that I have experienced. When I was younger, the media always pointed the camera only at the most outlandish people. I was afraid to go to my first gay bar for that reason. As time goes on, these things will change. I know that introversion is a personality trait, but for gay people in American it was more prevalent in the past. In fact some of that generation now are going to nursing homes, and jump back in the closet because they are afraid of reprisals from the staff. I am glad to hear that your country is on the right track, and hopefully the idea of marriage will be brought up again to your government. Love you guys!
Haha, unfortunately there are big differences between European countries, just like between American states. Media influence a lot of people which is why we wish more people were able to think for themselves and make their own opinions. We can only hope that by showing people around us that we're gay and we're not necessarily like the gays on TV, they'll be able to see that we're just like them and we deserve the same rights.
@@tommyandpeter I would agree with you there. I live in a mountainous rural area of Georgia (USA), they aren't to keen on homosexuality. They are slowly coming around.
It is very sad. That you can't live as you wish. We have only had gay marriage for a few years here. I hope your not going anywhere for a long long time. We would miss you both. We love being apart of your journey.thank you for sharing with us. There is still a lot of homophobia here in Australia too.. I don't like showing affection in public. I am a very affectionate person totally agree with you.I don't like the madi gras gay pride parades.like what you said what you do in the privacy of your own home. I agree with everything you are saying it is difficult to discuss things .im a private person. People don't need to know my business. Thank you for sharing and it quite amazing we all have the same concerns no matter where you live. 👬❤️🇦🇺
We hope our country will join Australia in the same-sex marriage club soon! Unfortunately homophobia is everywhere, I'm afraid we will never have 100% support from the general public. But we have the majority and that's what matters.
Peter, the new look great (very hot). Tommy did a good job with the hair.
Thanks! We're BOTH happy it worked out 😁
Thanks for sharing what life is like for a gay couple there. I think the experiences of rural vs urban is similar in the USA. We are both from small towns and now live in a liberal area, so we have seen both extremes. I also don't really care for the gay bar experience. It is too noisy and crowded. I prefer hikes in nature and small events with friends. I hope full marriage equality comes to your country soon. There are important rights with marriage which will be useful as you age. :)
I guess differences between cities and villages exist everywhere, not just in acceptance of homosexuality but many other things as well, including voting preferences :) Gay hikes are much better than gay bars 🙌😁
Yes in many countries it's true. I would say that in Sweden, even in tiny towns and so on... People are quite open here. I have been to Czechia, it was 2019 and I stayes in Prague. I felt very safe there. I also think the nordic countries in general are very open and including, however there are like everywhere homophobic people. There are a few places with lot of immigrants where it could be harsh to be open gay in Sweden. However, in small villages and in the cities no. 🏳️🌈🇪🇺
Hi friends. So esquisite and so so real as always. And everything related with such tranquility. Good for you boys!!!
Ten years ago Argentina was the first country in Latin America to aprove the same sex marriage with the same rights and effects than the straight couples.
Have you seen the film AND THEN WE DANCED? It shows how difficult is to be different in the country of Georgia and in the inside of georgian's ballet.
Hate and discrimination allowed the great genocides of the humanity.
Always waiting your interesting videos. See you.
Hi Liliana, it's nice to see Argentina on the list of countries where same-sex marriage is legal. You're ahead of many "traditional" European countries in this aspect 😊 We haven't seen the movie, thanks for the recommendation!
Please don’t die, guys! I’d miss you sorely 🥺
I’m your gay friend as well, Peter!
It's a good things we're not planning to die anytime soon, as Peter said 😄
Thanks for being here with us 🤗
How can love be bad
Our thoughts exactly ❤️
Tommy, you are so like another Tommy...
Thomas Tuchel, the Chelsea Manager.
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I haven't heard of him before but now that I see his pictures on Google, I can see the resemblance myself 😃
@@tommyandpeter I guess you do not know him, as you are not a football fan. Last night Chelsea beat Real Madrid 2-0 to go to the final of the Champions League at the end of the month
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@@MrAcook61798 No, we're not football fans. In our country gay guys don't watch sports 😄
How did you two meet? :D
We have a video about that but it's more than two years old when we were just beginning here on RUclips so just to warn you, it's not very good 😀 If you want to, you can still watch it here: ruclips.net/video/WK8c8h_ZNKQ/видео.html
aquí Uruguay. Vivo en Montevideo. Cerca de mi casa han venido dos chicos gay de República Checa e instalaron un restaurante con el nombre "Che-k-affé"....Saludos!
Hi, that is so interesting. On the other side of the world 😊 Greetings to Montevideo 😉
It was very interesting to learn about the current state of affairs in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
So different from country to country but so much work needs to be done world wide it’s quite sad.
You're right, Tom. We're still quite lucky to be living here, there are many other countries in the world where the situation is much worse. I don't think the work will ever be over.
You are a beautiful couple🙂
Thank you 😊
Hugs from Mexico 🤗.🇲🇽. Gosh you have hundreds, even thousands of friends. 🥰 The video is great. We hear what Tommy is saying about Pride. In Mexico City we have a huge Pride. We think it is a celebration for folks to be out and proud, celebrate differences.💃
We see in the comments that Czechia is moving towards marriage. 👨❤️👨. That is great news. Here civil unions were introduced in Mexico City also in 2006, and in 2010 the Supreme Court ruled that they had to be recognized in the whole country. Same sex marriage was approved in 2013. They have to be recognized in all states, but it is a state option whether to provide them. The majority of states have marriage, but some states do not, but have to recognize them from other states.
So Czech Republic is very advanced. 🇨🇿 We are lovink you guys so much. 💌
Mexico sure has made a lot of progress! It's very impressive that same-sex marriage has been in place already since 2013, two years before the US. Even though we were the first post-communist country to have civil union, a lot of countries now caught up with us so we need the same-sex marriage to soon to jump ahead again 😁
Czech Republic I immediately think Bel Ami or Czech Hunter, how stereotypical am I?! Afterwards I complain of stereotypes about my country
Haha, people often mention that, especially Czech Hunter. We don't mind, we think it's funny 😀
i agree that pride has lost its meaning in that it has become more of a party than a protest however in country's in central/ eastern europe, asia and the americas that are still essential as not many country's are fully safe and or equal for the lgbt community and yes the media does kina make pride out to be something it isn't.
Yeah, it is necessary to keep showing that we exist and equal rights for everyone are needed 🙂
Hello! I live in the southeastern part of the US, it is known for being conservative and closed-minded. My close friends know about me, and my 12-step family knows. But otherwise I keep to myself. Like you I am introverted and do not prefer the clubbing scene. Same-sex marriage has been legal here since 2015. I am glad to hear the Czech Republic is more liberal than most! ❤️
Hi James! We hear there are big differences within the US even though it's one country. The south is known here for being very conservative. We're glad same-sex marriage became legal in all states. One day it will be here as well 🙂
@@tommyandpeter This is true, in larger cities people generally do not care. It is perfectly fine to be out in San Francisco, New York, or even Dallas. But I live in a conservative, mostly rural state. People here are not generally accepting. 🙂
That's sad to hear. There are differences here between cities and villages as well, people in the cities are generally more liberal and as you said - they don't care about you as much. Villagers tend to stick their noses where they don't belong 😀 But fortunately when it comes to LGBT rights, it's not that bad.
@@tommyandpeter I have news! I visited our local farmers market earlier today. I purchased a large bundle of green onions and asked the salesperson about chives. She said that chives were in the same family but they were not the same thing. Apparently the roots of chives are not good to eat, and should only be harvested above ground. This is not so with green onions.
@@Aerykian Thanks, good to know. So cool that you asked :)
The big differences between Slavic nations is always shocking for most people.
Yeah, for many people we are all the same but there are really big differences.
Slavic/Eastern (don't get upset!) European men are the most beautiful in the world. When I visited Prague and specifically the gay scene, it was like paradise, LOL.
Haha, nice to hear you were enjoying what you saw here 😁
Plan to go to Europe one day thanks
You're gonna have a blast!
Exactly, problem with different is so crazy especially in Slovakia. The thing people hate on me in Slovakia in Western Europe they love it and I get good job and respect but in Slovakia is opposite. Just crazy.
Yeah, it's sad that it's like that in Slovakia. Hopefully it will get better over time...
You know I find it interesting that your from Czech republic and your from Slovakia I remember when Czech and Slovakia were once one country
It was and the countries are still very close but there are definitely differences, like in the civil union area - Slovakia is more homophobic and there is no civil union or anything which is quite sad...
Yeah I wish to see one day when both Slovakia and Czech republic legalize same sex marriage
@@englishmuffin2893 So do we 😉
im slovak in gay relationship with thai living in thailand , together for 4-5years now
To je veľmi pekné, nech sa vám darí 😉 All the best!
kukal som aj petrov coming out, no teda podobne, az na to ze moja matka je singlemother , alkoholik otec zomrel davno (typicka "tradicna" slovenska rodina, kde zrazu zmizli #ochrancoviaTradicnejRodiny? ). A teda moja mama ani len nechapala ze jak dvaja chlapy mozu mat sex, tak som vysvetlil, ze "if there is a hole, there is a way" a ona ze fuj :D .
A moja mama je tiez "moderna" a atheistka tak tiez som cakal viac pochopenia, so starou mamou to je to iste, a viacmenej to odsudzovali lebo im zalezi na nazoroch susedov a kolegov viac nez na mojom, a nedajboze sa to ostatni dozvedia a potom sa jej budu vysmievat v praci/v okolii. Tak jak Peter utiekol do Prahy, ja som utiekol do Azie (thajska), pracoval som na internete takze som mohol z hocikadial a thajsko je lacne.
No jo, je to tak. Načo potom zostávať na zaostalom Slovensku.
Našťastie moji rodičia sa umúdrili a teraz je to všetko ok, dobré vzťahy, ale aj tak je mi ovela lepšie v Česku.
@@tommyandpeter pocul som od kamosa slovaka co je gay, a stale tam zije, ze vraj vlada podala navrhy zakonov anti-lgbt na zakazanie propragandy lgbt, zmeny pohlavia atd... no treba predsa nejak odtiahnut pozornost ludi od dolezitejsich problemov a vsetkych mafianskych zlocinov ktore vlada robi.. :)
treba predsa ochranit tradicnu rodinu s otcom alkoholikom a s rozvodmi nad 50%+ :))
Well I am sending you all the love, I hope you get more rights!
Thanks, we hope so too 😊
Wow, Czechoslovakia couple🤗
Hello, welcome to our channel 😊
it is very hard to generalize anything because there will always be exceptions; when gay marriage was legalize in the US back in 2013 (i had to think about when the year was) a gay person could get married on the weekend but return to work on Monday and be fired for being gay, that is because many states doesn't have equal protection clauses in the state's constitution. There might be some protections on the federal level, recently the supreme court ruled in the Bostock Decision that sexual orientation & sexual identity was covered under the 1964 civil rights legislation, but many people probably have no idea that many people still do not have equality. Adoption was one of the rights that gay people in the US could do but ironically Europe has been late to that, but still there is some organizations in the US that tries to forbid it.
The problem with gay pride, Heritage of Pride does the most popular parade in NYC, is all the corporate sponsors that limits the people's access to the parade. That is why two years ago the Queer Liberation March was started, a popular slogan at that first march was "get off the sidewalk and into the streets".
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You're right, it is possible to generalize to some extent but it's important to realize that there are always exceptions and that whatever you say never applies to everyone. We know that quite well because we feel like we never belong to any category 😃 We're happy for the US and the possibility to get married in all states now, although we imagine in some of them people won't probably feel as comfortable being gay as in others. There's still work to be done all over the world.
Its interesting how given they used to be one country how they go off into two different directions. I hope you can get same sex marriage there. Should start a petition for a vote! I agree with Peter, I don't get the 'I don't mind it as long as you don't show it', and yet straight people can be so sexual on TV and even in public and everyone's just fine with it. For me its important to show affection but I get that some people won't feel safe in some places.
Even though we used to be one country, we were a federation so Slovakia still had a partial autonomy with its own parliament etc. I guess it was a bit similar to the UK where things might be different in Northern Ireland as opposed to England. You're of course right, the argument from straight people makes no sense and we need to keep reminding them that we're all around them 😊
@@tommyandpeter Oh right, yes I see what you mean. Yeah the different parts of the UK do have their own powers.
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if i move to cz lets hope by the time in 25 gay couples can adopt but with spolu i don't really have any hopes haha
We think it will happen eventually, but it can take a long time (hopefully not decades)...
LOL. Everything you said is true here in the US. Every gay should visit a gay bar at least once...loud music, diluted drinks, and terrified boys testing the waters of the gay experience. I agree gay pride parades are usually shown on the news showing the biggest exhibitionist. I must say the one gay pride parade I attended was in San Francisco, mother of gay pride parades. It gave a real cross section of the gay world. I have to admit being shocked (I am from a small Southern town) seeing a group who called themselves "Dykes on Bikes:" These out and proud lesbians were riding Harley motorcycles bear breasted down the street. Could only happen in a large city like San Francisco. As an introvert myself I really don't need to know my straight friends sex life nor do they need to know mine.
That sounds like a very memorable pride to attend! We visited San Francisco in 2016 but didn't encounter any public nudity surprisingly 😁
@@tommyandpeter it was many years ago I saw that parade. SF has changed a lot sadly. Not as gay as it once was.
@@Flanole Didn't know that! I thought it was still the gayest city in the world.
@@tommyandpeter LOL still is the gayest city in US but not like it was back in the day at its zenith. Times change sadly. There is still the heart of gay in the Castro District.
@@Flanole I haven't been to SF in 10+ yrs, but even then I thought it wasn't very gay, even in castro. Lived in DC and New Orleans - both gayer than SF in my opinion.
That was interesting. Ireland used to be very conservative and religious / Catholic, but the sex scandals of the Catholic Church put paid to that and the pendulum swung the other way. Since 2018 there has been marriage equality. However, Northern Ireland (which remains part of the UK) is rather like Slovakia, remaining ultra conservative. It’s society is dominated by religious zealots, mainly evangelical Protestants. My husband and I would tend to match the views you both share about not seeking attention in the public arena. Sometimes though we might hold hands in public if we feel very safe and comfortable, or steal a kiss in public. We like to think we are doing a small thing to normalise the visibility of gay relationships. Same too with the “gay scene”, it’s not something we really enjoy, so we never venture out. Thanks for sharing your story. Oh, Peter...you look much better with shorter hair. Don’t hide that handsome face under such a barnet! Best wishes from Ireland, Stefan x
Thank you 😊 We actually find it admirable when a gay couple hold hands or kiss in public - as you said, it hopefully helps normalize these things. As long as it's decent, we wouldn't want to see a straight couple French-kissing in the middle of a street either 😃 It's impressive to see Ireland make such big progress, it gives hope to other religious countries.
Quite an interesting video. In my country, the constitution is somewhat liberal, so gay marriage is allowed, but, ironically, most folks are very homophobic.
My country is waaay more religious than Czechia, unfortunately.
It's interesting that Brazil allows same-sex marriage despite people being religious and homophobic. It's still great to get that legal recognition though and have the necessary rights in case something unexpected happens.
@@tommyandpeter Indeed
Czech Republic is mostly known for its gay-for-pay porn studios, isn't it ?!
Prague is the gay porn capital of the world! I guess they need so many "actors", there are not enough gay guys to cover the demand so straight guys had to step forward to save the industry 😄
I agree with Tommy with the pride parades I find some pride parades are getting too inappropriate and sexual you know what I mean I'm a closeted gay and I like pride month but I find some pride parades are all about partying and drinking and I agree it has lost it's meaning
Sometimes it can be too much...
I totally think same sex civil union/ partnership only for same sex couple is very discriminatory like it's very stressful for same sex couples to go on with there everyday life at a legal point of view you are denying two consenting adults these important life stuff I going to be honest if gay people have to get civil union but the civil union have all the same benefits as marriage I'm okay with it
Yeah, we agree!
funny thing, you kinda talkig about things i kinda expirenced, wich are fmmiliar, for long time i thought it is coz we are post communistic/socialistic countries, but i am not so sure.. during 80ties in former yugoslavia there were gay non offcial bars, clubs, gthering places (even thou sodomy law was on), open gay couples, even lot of families were accepting in a way we know but we dont disscuss it. sodomy law in most countreis no one forced, you could end in trouble in plaes like kosovo, monte ne**ro,rural parts of serbia, bosnia, croatia, but cities were melting pot of diversities. so i cant speak for rest of ex yu, only for croatia from1996 or so, coz around that time i returned from iceland back home and i was 16/17 around that age, plan was to finish high school and stay. but for someone ( and many others who were younger or little older than me and spend more than 2 years in west as refugees during critical formative puberty and teen years) that return was a torture. country was mostly lead by church, people still had (mostly generations of our parents and older people, people born from 1946 to late 60ties and generaions of their parents), they were still set on that mode you fit, you need to fit into mold, you do as told, you dont ask questions, you obey, you praise the goverment, you behaive like a man or womanor what ever mold offical society put you in, or else. even as a kid before war in 1991 i had glimpses of concquences of that o else, my own fther when i was 5 or 6 was arested under charges for owening banned book ( pretty sure my hard core communistic grandfather reported him when i look back, he had that insane tough love thing, i know best and i do everything to teach you, type of person), when dad got back after 3 or 4 days he was swollen, his face was swollen,nose broken, body filled with bruises and hematoms, so at very early age i kinda figured out that you must fit and then in 1991 war broke and whole set of new rules was applied, opposite one, like you need to go to church, you need to change your name if it is not croatian enough, not chatolich enough, you need to baptise if you are not, you need to go to religious classes and being in a city wich was under 3 month siege and flaten with ground and having a name like mine and suddendly your own family calls you by nickname coz they are affraid to use your real name, but then when city felt and suddendly everyone you knew calling you by your name so loud that every darn JNA soldier can hear it. then again it was fit,fit into mold, adapt or else..suddendly both my sister and brother are called by a nickname.. so 2 years later coz of various reasons you find yourself in a country completly different, still you are different, stil you expirence shit coz you are from central europe, you are primitive part of europe, you are barbaric etc but still you can develope, slowly you make friends and before you know it 5 years passes. and you realise you dont fit in a mold, you dont have to fit coz it is ok not to fit, you are free to be who ever you are, so yeah i had liberty to explore my own sexuality on my own terms, to fogure myself out in my own pace and boom, back to a place where you need to fit again, but someting is different, there is bunch of people like you in your school, in clubs, games, where you go people your own age are same, the ones who stayed whole time still fit or try to fit coz they are programed to do it. but you and many others start to push wheels little by little in same time you fight with dmeons of the past, traumas, but you push that in the corner of your being and sudendly you are part of group, group becomes a movement and before you know it, you are planing first pride, you question authorthies, you go to protest with other 100 000 young people for a radio who dares to oppose to goverment, to president who is an old fa**t with god complex who decides to send tanks on you and bunch of others, so it is democrasy but state lead by old far*** who are over 60 stil operates on a way fit or else. your own mother literly tries to lock you in a house so that you miss a train and miss whole protest, literly drags you by the sleeve and yells dont go dont go, they wil kill you, dont oppose the govermnet, they will lock you up they will beat you. you still go, in a middle of protest where 100 000 people who thinks like you, wants a country be shaped same as you want you find out that there is order issued to send tanks and for short moment you think is it worth it, should i fit, but then you rember the things you went thru in 1991, 1992,1993 and realise that same brhaviour led to those things and you think in yourself screw it, i will rather die than live in a country wich denies free opinion, wich will dictate what i will listen, read, wach, with who i will sleep. and than there is one small light of hope when news broke out that minister of defence refused to apply the order of president, for the first time there is hope, there is a fckn chance for change and to get rid of chains of past system. and thaz how it started, next i know w are called cattel, green and red satans, corrupted youth by west immorals, corrupted youth wich does not know what they want and what is good for them.. ad church into a mix and you have society deeply deeply screwed up coz everyone follows every rule every order without a question, coz bible say so, coz god says so, so communizm was replaced with religion for shrort time. but we spent so much time on the west, had so much contacts, that so many of us knew who to contact in iceland, germany, nederland, norwa, finland and suddendly we had international support and we embraced it. they made a pressure on their govrments, they mad epressure on our. and then the old far*** is dead, there is a chance to change consitutiion to limit for how long someone can be president, wich age he cant be and how little power he can have. and we pushed it... next thing you know it is 2002 and we are marching for the first time, just few hundreds of us, marching till 2022 and now is less than 10 000 but more than 5000 marching. many of us left between 2005 and 2010 to seqarch ourselves again coz counry witch brought us just was not right, we were no where we were between west and east. many of us romaed thru west europe trying to get back lost time and that feeling of being free and not tense, to just live without worries, i personaly went back to iceland, then uk, then norway, nederland then i came back, still dont know why. then my personal struggel begun with my own family when they found out and when i came out, but still so many people is still wraped in that fit mode, just fit dont stick. i think tha is a part of a problem in post comunistic countries, older people are affraid of changes, coz when they go to change things end bad, so they mold their kids same way, so when someone is out of mold it is almost a catastrophy. but new generations born in 2000 are different i see it in my own country, maybe coz they are raised by people who are my age, so real changes will come when we will be in 60ties and those kids in their 20ties and 30ties and have their own kids. it is better than it was in early 2000 we have domestic partnership and civil union, supreme court ordered the state in favour of gay couple, state must allow them tofoster and adopt a child (not to mention in croatia is almost 2000 kids in systems and there is only 1500 foster couples and orphanges are full and new kids are coming) i dont know, i think big issue and part of problem is a mentality of generations born till 70tiesm they had rebelious times but at the end they would bend and fit. in my country we were first who refused to bend and obey..
Wow, this is by far the longest comment we have ever received 😀 You are right about older people only knowing how to fit in, that is their mantra, never stick out and never be different. Luckily the times are slowly changing. In Croatia it seems they went from one extreme to another, communism switched to religious madness... Oh dear.
@@tommyandpeter and i do applogise for the comment being long, my problem is tat often when i get into this wired state my thoughts just flow and i dont even realise that and i cant stop myself until everything is out. i often have shorten them on some other places... p.s. croatia and its neighbours (minus slovenia, austria and maybe hungary) only know for those two lol, middle when it comes to country is unknown unless we are ruled or have srong influence from outside, thaz why i am glad we are part of EU. otherwise we would be clerical church led state and i would probably or move out or have a melt down.
In Serbia the things are terrible.
Wast majority of people are very homophobic, chauvinistic, xenophobic... Why are Slavic people like this, its so sad...
We're sorry to hear that, unfortunately it's not very surprising 🙁 There are worse places in the world to live in but we hope things will also start improving in Balkan.
Why did I get this in my notifications I’m not cock smith !
Are you sure? Why else would you click on the video? Surely not only to tell us you don't wanna be here.
Your country’s adoption rule is illogical and I would add ignorant. Two parents are obviously better than one, regardless of gender. There always seems to be narrow minded haters sticking their noses into other people’s lives, no matter where you go in the world, especially with regards to gay issues. Much of it is promoted by various organized religions, using some random quotes from the Christian Bible in this country, ignoring the general theme of being kind to others and not being judgmental. If everyone were like you and us, the world would be a better place, with less hate imposed on minorities via the legal system, and more people minding their own business, like we do.
Yes, the adoption conditions are stupid and don't make any sense. You can adopt but suddenly when there's another gay with you in the household, you're not good enough anymore. We hope it will change soon for those who'd like to adopt. The good news is that public supports marriage for everyone and adoption by same-sex couples (over 60% approval rate) so it should be just a matter of time.