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WOW !!!!!!!...What an Amazing Interview with this Truly Wonderful Woman...I feel terrible for what they have gone through. But happy that they are doing so well despite everything...It's going to be okay
Our Father in heaven is a Loving Being and anything that can cause any type of negativity is not of our Father for our Father is pure Love. It is of the enemy to be of any thing negitive. If it can cause hate, it's of the enemy. I believe that there is a good in all religions, but I will only follow the Father only through Christ in me.
God was still there with you. It was Satan who led you down that path, he's known as the great liar. Sad thing is she doesn't see that yet. Satan's first time in the bible he told a lie. Why would she blame God? All she needs now is to ask God to guide her, now.
I knew Tammy personally. She was such a kind person. Never once did she say an unkind word of anyone. It saddens me that this has happened to such a good person.
I adore this womans strength, im blown away by how emotionally intelligent she is. This is the kind of woman who breaks generational curses and leaves the world a better place
I want the Honorable Charles Vallow to never be forgotten in this terrible tale. He was a man and no one listened to him. He tried so hard. He likely would have been killed anyway but anyone in a contentious divorce or separation should hand off kids in a very public place.
💯💯💯💯 agree with this comment, maybe if Charles had lived things might not have been able to progress to the murders of Tylee and JJ. Charles would have been a torn in Lori's side and Heather would have been a torn actually was to her best of abilities a torn in Chads (slug's) side maybe just maybe 🤔 with the two of them working together they could have exposed Lori and Chad the slug for all their lies and maybe 🤔 could have stopped these pointless horrible murders. Just my opinion as Charles and Heather were on the same page and could see through those lunatics 🐂 bull shit!!!!!!
@@Objection_23and1 Lori is sitting in the pokey in AZ for his death and the attempt on Brandon, right? Hopefully Maricopa county jails aren't air conditioned. The temps are rising in AZ and it should be close to miserable soon.
This is a mother. This is the type of mother we should all strive to be: putting our children above anything else. Contrast that with Ruby Franke. what a stark difference.
This is one interview I didn’t want to end. Heather is so well spoken and so honest and raw she was pretty amazing. Not being involved in all the MSM interviews just made her even more believable. The pain these people have caused is so widespread and there are just so many victims involved.
I raised devout LDS children and then left in my 40's. My children stayed in the church for awhile and then left for their own reasons one by one over the next 12 years. I felt like the church wasn't really about Famlies can be together forever. It was about separating families. Only certain families could be together forever, and it wasn't mine. I knew my child was gay long before they did. I left knowing they would come out eventually. I left realizing church history had been misrepresented. I live a good, honest life but I am happier and more at peace without religion in my life.
What a blessing that her son felt safe enough to be able to share his heart with his parents. Heather didnt try to change him to fit into the religion. Seeing her sweet son showed her the church through new eyes. Her son was able to embrace a new level of freedom. This opened a door for Heather to find her own liberty. She was in captivity and didn't even realize it. When she began to investigate she found her own voice-her freedom. How terrifying to walk away from the security of all she had ever known and blaze a trail into new territory. This women is as brave as she is beautiful.
Beautifully said 👏 Hearing her speak about her son and her acceptance of him brought me to tears. It's a testament to what a good mother she is and what a good, moral human she is with or without religion. She's so strong and willful and emotionally intelligent and inspirational.
Heather, it is April 2024. I’ve just listened to your full interview for the first time. Your transparency touched on so many important topics in this unbelievably difficult topic. First and foremost, my heart does go out to the extended Daybell Family. One person’s choice is not the definition of the whole. Your insight into your brother in law character explains why you are on the defence witness list and that won’t be call. The fact that you chose to spoke to Lauren and Dr John indicates that have huge love of your whole family, wanted to give an interview where church terminology is explained and understood, have love for your community and want healing. I do hope throughout all this and your faith transition, your community and former church has been kind and gentle to your family. I hope you and your family are ok during the current trial.
I’m watching this after the first week of Chad’s murder trial. I feel so bad for Heather, her husband, and family. I am grateful that she agreed to do this interview. To the family and friends of all of the victims…..I’m so sorry, and sending prayers for strength and healing.
I admire Heather for speaking her truth so publicly. As a former, born & raised LDS Church member, who left over 20 years ago, I think Heather shows Chad & the "priesthood holders" she interacted with, tremendous grace. Too much grace in my opinion, but I do respect where she is at on her journey leaving the church. It is true that when you leave, every relationship & interpersonal dynamic in your life is disrupted. There is a lot of loss & grief experienced on the road away from the LDS church. Her journey out is still very early, & I do think she will receive consequences from the church for speaking out so authentically. I wish her the best & admire her courage as she charts her own path forward.
TRUTH…those of us who left early were vilified while we gave ultimate grace to all of our “programmers” whom we didn’t recognize as such. I know…after all of my years being a “pioneer of exiting” that the grace I gave to my programmers was necessary for ME in my process, but undeserved by them as my abusers (even if they were unaware of the abuse they heaped upon me). They were given grace because of MY benevolence and character, NOT because they were worthy of it. I proved my ultimate character and worthiness by granting them grace despite the coercive control and emotional abuse they heaped upon me as a woman trying to strive for “perfection” in their distorted version of reality, where “perfection” was never really attainable as a female…because ultimately, no matter how perfect you were as a woman ….you were/ are ALWAYS less than the most imperfect man in the patriarchy.
I watched all 3 parts of the interviews with Heather. These had been some of the best I've ever watched. Amazing woman and mom! Stay strong, you've got this Heather
I feel like she was me talking in this episode. Like her, I spent the pandemic reading and studying and praying and wrestling with all of this. It has been so hard! Once you know the Church's history, once you recognize how you were being treated, once you realize why you have been so angry and depressed, you cannot unlearn it. I just cannot go back to being a believing member. I feel so betrayed! I miss my community! I spent so many years with only LDS friends. It has been so hard to find a new community. Thank you, Heather Daybell, for being willing to be so open and honest and sharing your true feelings. And, thank you for being true to yourself. Thank you Hidden True Crime for bring these episodes to us!
Big YES! To Heather Daybell. You call yourself agnostic and I believe you think that is true, but you have walked through fire and you are still ministering to those who are suffering. That’s what Jesus did. He walked away from the many to minister to the few. No perfect human will ever walk this earth, but you are truly a blessing. Thank you for sharing your story. It is both horrifying and inspirational.
I didn’t know of your existence before tonight but thank you for sharing. I am not religious but did have some exposure to others who were LDS in a structured group setting several years ago and appreciate the allure of the companionship offered by the LDS community. Thank you for sharing the reality of your experience as a woman w/in this church. Your testimony is powerful. I was most moved by your unconditional love for your son. So many parents in your position have rejected a previously beloved child who came out to them as lgbtq+. Thank you for valuing and loving your child. I hope your experiences will light the way for others.❤
I commented on the first video what an amazing woman Heather is, then I heard what she did for her son who is gay and then heard about how she thoroughly researched the church and came to the difficult conclusion that it was all BS. It takes major guts and integrity to be her. And I really commend you Heather for being an intelligent, caring mom, whose willing to do whatever is necessary to honor yourself and your family while remaining kind and humble. I hope you’ll continue to share your REALLY powerful story!! I’m not even Mormon or religious for that matter but I was GLUED to this podcast. Listened to it for the 6 hours I was at work today. Thank you again! ❤
@MOM23KITTIES I totally agree! Would definitely want/need Heather in MY corner! What an amazing Woman, Wife & Mother! I don’t understand this “religion” and no offense but I wouldn’t WANT to! KUDDOS TO HER! ❤
The fact that her marriage and family are still holding together thru all of this fiasco ... say a great deal about their love for each other. I hope Matt can face the Truth.
“The values that Christ taught, I have been able to understand better and actually live that way better, having stepped away from the church.” That literally brought tears to my eyes. Thank you so much for telling your amazingly genuine and authentic story, you have clearly done a lot of work to get to where you are.
Can you imagine if an LDS woman's husband died suddenly for no apparent reason and then SHE remarried in two weeks? Does anyone think she wouldn't be scorned and ostracized?
I thought of this as well If the kids had not gone missing AND found in Chad's backyard he would still be free today and Tammy would not have justice. I actually believe that Tammy is not the only wife of an LDS man that has been murdered, it can happen just like dowry murders in India. My cousin was married to a bishops son and suddenly shot herself. The circumstances were very sketchy to me but it was not investigated. This was in Utah. I don't know if it the Morman men dont have discernment or just dont care. Heather you were right to leave the church. I was raised in that area. I have a picture handing on the wall of my poligumous grandmother from the 1800s. I was never part of that church. Learned early on they were cruel. This interview and the sphinxes I have gotten from it will stay with me for a long time. Thanks to Heather and Hidden Crime. I have so much to say. I drank this up like a tall glass of long awaited water in the desert.
My LDS husband beat me and left me for my best friend. The ward spoke to him and wouldn’t visit me in the hospital after he nearly killed me. Then they ignored me in church and wouldn’t sit on the same pew.
I can relate to Heather. It's like being under a spell that once you step out, that curse is broken, you become awakened, then you ask "how did I believe that"
I love this woman. I'm glad she's happy, I'm glad she's okay with removing herself from a controlling institution, and I wish her and her family all the happiness.
Truly amazing woman. Did not want this 3 part series to end. Her true life struggles, compounded by Chad and Lori’s actions, are so fascinating. Kudos to you guys for letting her words be heard
@@kookietherapy9398definitely 100% I am not a Mormon and have always wondered how this church worked more I than what I knew. Heather was so insightful about the LDS church.
Heather is an amazing woman. Glad she got out of this cult. I am sorry. But after learning so much about LDS there is no doubt that these people are wicked! I really hope her husband and sons realize this as well. I am shocked that so many people have fallen for these ridiculous teachings.
It takes an incredibly intellectually and emotionally honest person to do what Heather did. That level of introspection of lifelong core beliefs is so difficult. I really respect people like Heather.
As a non-denominational Christian, I have never felt the constraints of being a member of a legalistic church organization. I can only imagine how difficult it would be to leave the religion and church culture she has been in since birth. Much respect to Heather for having the courage to be true to herself. She seems like a very intelligent and strong woman.
As a Christian that went to a non-denominational church for 18 years, I very much resonated with Heather’s experience (her’s was just much, much more extreme). Patriarchal systems are sadly not just within systems like the LDS.
I watched/listened to all of her interviews twice and I disagree with your perspective. But even if it was the case that she “gave up” as you say- I would STILL give her a standing freaking ovation! I think it’s also incredibly freeing for her that she’s sharing her personal journey which requires zero approval from any of us. Go Heather, GOOOO!!!!❤️
@Nanci D Can you really "KNOW" the truth when the Mormon church intentionally misled people on their history and founding? When they refuse to disclose their finances despite building them on tax-free donations? When they fail time and time again to protect children when their policies are designed to protect the Church at the cost of victims?
@@nancid5265 The LDS denies the deity of Christ. It is a demonic UNBIBLICAL works cult. You are dead in your sins and lost my friend. You have been indoctrinated and brainwashed. Unless you repent you will perish. Warnings against False Teachers 1Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.… Matthew 24:5-12 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many… 2Tim 4: 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.
I am in awe of how Heather and her husband have conducted themselves during this horrific ordeal. I am a in active member of the LDS church, my father was a Bishop and Stake patriarch, and 5 years ago my husband and I began to research Joseph Smith and we came to the same conclusion as Heather regarding the church, we left for the very same reasons, my records are still in the church, but my husband forced his excommunication. He never leaves anything in said, or with no doubt in how he feels. Lol. I also felt Chad resembled characteristics of Joseph Smith and watching part 3 of this great interview with Heather was like listening to my own journey of leaving the church. I hope you continue to heal and grow and you are a wonderful example of a what a true loving mother and wife can be. And last but not least, I have to say, No wonder Chad didn't like you, he knew you saw right through his bull shit.. God Bless
I love this woman. Total class act. Great interview and so much respect for her as a mother, wife and human.Thank you Heather & Hidden True Crime for this series of interviews.
This description “I want to shout it from the rooftops and also never speak a word of it” is maddeningly accurate. As someone who left the church last year I relate so much to this, thank you.
Sadly, while watching her interviews, I realized that I left church the same time Tylee is believed to have been murdered. I came home from church Sunday, September 8, 2019 & didn’t think I could go back. I told my best friend at the time that I didn’t think I could raise my kids in the church. I had committed to reading the CES letter the next day, while my husband was at work. He had already read it and had left the church 2 years prior to me. So Monday, September 9, 2019 I spent the day reading it and decided I was done. And it’s so crazy and surreal to think back now on what was happening to Tylee while I had this Epiphany.
I went through many traumas caused directly by the church leaders. I am so proud of Heather. I left the church for the very reasons Heather is giving. Good job.
Heather is just a phenomenal person and personality. She chose her son. Good for her! So very poised, articulate, smart, empathetic, beautiful and classy. I believe everything she said. Very kind, even though, people have given her a hard time. What a great interview. Great job. FYI - I watched all three! ❤
Thank-you Heather xx You helped me.. I'm nobody special.. Just a mother in Western Australia, struggling with boundaries for my own self preservation/protection and finding the strength to do so. You have helped me Heather.. I wanted you to know.. A hug sent across the sea to you from me xx Lynda
As a fellow Ex Mormon who left in 2020, thank you so much for your words. You said so many of the things I've wanted to say but cannot vocalize. And this has been the best interview in this case! I'm h oping the other podcast you're going to speak on is Mormon Stories. Thanks again for sharing. I know it's hard!
Left the church years ago and Heather is an inspiration! My esteem for her is huge! A Happy agnostic. That’s me too! Heather is brave strong smart and beautiful! Hope to see her on Mormon stories with John Dehlin next.🤞🧡
I can't believe how controlled you all were and feeling so guilty. God is all about love not control. You can do whatever you want in life and be whoever you want, just be kind, caring and loving and the world will be your oyster! ❤️
Heather, you are the Anti-Chad. You had the true intuition while he made up his own. I believe he feared you as the powerful woman you are. I applaud your bravery in all of this. Thank you for sharing your journey. Thank you to Lauren for remaining a wonderfully objective interviewer. Both amazing women! 👏 💕
OMG! At first I thought you called her the Anti-Christ. Not your fault - it’s my cognitive issue. Then I read the rest and went back read “Chad.” Yes, love what Heather had to say.
As an atheist, I have respect for people who have faith in their lives, as long as they practice what they believe. I don’t want to be preached to by anyone and I will shut it down the moment someone tries, but as a nurse, I’ve seen how helpful faith is to people’s comfort and healing, and I have always supported my patients in anyway I could. I would ask if they need a chaplain, or a rabbi, a priest or Imam, or whatever they need. I don’t pray but I’ve offered to hold my patients hands while they pray. I don’t believe you need to believe in a deity to be a good person, but if you believe in a deity, it shouldn’t be weaponized.
As an atheist of 70 years l,m interested in religions. I also have a married gay daughter. Any negative comments on equality ,l am annoyed to hear. We have progressed to 2024 with arms open to everyone who struggles with identity .
@@krisbest6405 absolutely, I have a trans nephew and grew up with a gay aunt and uncle (out of 5 siblings). My uncle was my favorite because he didn’t give a crap what anyone thought about him and he was the least judgmental of that entire family. I’m right there with you as an ally!!!! 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️💗💗 and, I do find the subject of religion super interesting because it has such a huge impact on different cultures and societies, but I can’t support using religion as a weapon against people who live and believe differently.
Really loved this interview. I can relate on so many levels. What Heather said at 56:44 about being a better human since leaving the church was exactly my experience, too. It is a huge identity crisis, especially when you've built decades of your life upon it, but the liberation, relief, and empowerment are worth it. I have immense respect for her. It is through people like her that abuses are exposed and ended. Her struggles have a purpose. Wishing her and her family all the best. ✨❤️🌱☀️ Thank you for hosting her.
You & Heather were living in conflict of your faith. When we are always told don't question the belief system, it will all work out, does nothing but require the individual person to suppress their logical & critical thinking. Constantly going to "temple" does nothing to settle the spiritual heart & mind of the person! Heather's husband is wonderful & to give her the freedom to go on her own journey is absolutely amazing!
@@janetcampbell9286 Yes, well said. I was in conflict with my authentic faith, which I had suppressed, along with my critical thinking, indeed, which I had once valued highly. Thankfully, my husband also gave me the room to explore, and he supports me in my choices. Otherwise, I would have found it necessary to divorce in order to save myself, and that was an additional crisis I wanted to avoid. Instead, we have a better relationship for the changes.
Heather is the male dominated LDS' worst nightmare. She is intelligent, well spoken, a critical thinker, a detailed researcher and someone who isn't afraid to question and then challenge patriarchal based expectations and demands of the LDS and their "doctrines". This is the very reason Chad feared her and attempted to gas light others concerning Heather's motives and agenda. Matt and Heather's children are lucky to have such a bright, articulate, thoughtful and loving wife and mother.
This interview was way more compelling than I expected. Kudos to her for being so honest and vulnerable about her life. I think this will be very helpful to many who face family issues, catastrophes, and crises of faith. Thank you ❤
What a remarkable human!!! Thank you, Heather! Parts one and two were devastating... Part three? Inspiring and Uplifting. As a gay woman and a woman of faith, I have come to realize that faith in God is way different than adhering to man's religious denominational doctrine.
Watching her interview for the 3rd or 4th time. Thank you Heather. This interview led me to look deeper, open my mind more, and broaden my understanding. Thank you Heather and thank you Lauren and the Good Doc for sharing with all of us. It has profoundly impacted my life. Thank you for shedding light on this community.
Been where Heather is…I can say it gets better the longer you are away from the programming. I, like her, was devout and left the church when members of my family were in prominent leadership positions and speaking at General Conference. I said my truth, got a divorce, and spent the next few decades DEprogramming and learning to value myself as a woman. You are beautiful, strong, and loving. Live YOUR truth girl! Keep supporting your gay son, your mission- serving son, and all of the kids in between. LOVE is the universal language. And you have an abundance of that!
I love hearing stories like yours, they give me hope. My dad was in the quorum of the 70 and our navigation of this has been brutal. It helps to know things can get better. ❤
@@ernweist Hang in there….they will get better. The hurt, anger, and betrayal of “what could have been,” took me a while to get over, but eventually you start realizing how NONE of their coercive, small-minded patriarchal thought-processes have any meaning or validity in your life and it becomes a nonissue. You burst from your cocoon, a beautiful, incredibly intelligent woman who doesn’t give a sh$& what the patriarchy and their enablers think about you…it’s marvelously freeing! 💖
Thanks so much @Hidden True Crime for allowing Heather this platform, and allowing people to speak their differences in an open and respectful manner. I'm truly impressed.
I am hoping that after this trial Heather can do another interview. Would love to know how her journey and healing has gone. How things may have changed and how you have navigated through the last few years. Also, how your business is doing. You're an amazing amount of strength. I do hope the last few years have found you piece in your journey.
Heather Daybell made it out from the other side and narrates her story with such a thorough understanding of the process. She is a very impressive woman and holds the power in her life. She was born at the right time to teach others.
I truly believe Chad systematically closed Tammy off from everyone knowing what was going to happen to her. Once him and Lori met they knew what they wanted, and that was for it to be just the two of them. The truly heartbreaking thing to me is how Tammy was seen as indifferent and not nice by those Chad did not want her talking to. He emotionally abused her. When everyone else who knew her outside of Chads grips said what a sweet warm person she was. The picture he painted of her tainted her legacy IMO. How sad. It leaves questions in peoples minds who did not know her. I didn’t know her, but I know the good Lord does and I know she is at Peace away from the devil. I hope her boys learn from how their father treated there Mother and doesn’t do the same.
but the people he didn't have contact with and Tammy had relationships with, knew her to be wonderful, kind, etc. Proves his manipulative behavior. She must have been very lonely.
I agree. I thought it was interesting she pointed out, Tammy had depression, but didn’t validate her day to-day existence. She was beat down, did all the house work, took care of the kids, all of Chad‘s needs, and then worked outside of the home on top of it. Throughout this talk Heather mentions how they worked so hard for their home, and lifestyle. I don’t dispute that. There are other families, who work equally as hard, who don’t have the same disposable income. It was shown that Tammy went through a bankruptcy , she was hanging on by her teeth. On top of it she was told to be the good little wife. Her five kids also served missions. I believe that she was devout as well. There’s no way she couldn’t have been. Something is wrong with the Tammy narrative.
Heather Daybell, My name is Becky & I need you to know that you have moved me to tears. I am bawling listening to you describe your fierce advocacy & support for your son. I am an LGBT member. I don't want to leave the people in my ward because the Stake President's family is so good to me & I love them. But, yes some of the doctrine is painful to hear. I have heard members vociferously denounce 'homosexuality' & same sex marriage on Fast Sunday. You should be an advocate for us! We need your strength! Thank you so much for this testimony, you are a bonafide Hero, ma'am! 🤗😇🤗😇🤗😇
I hope you can find the love and acceptance that you deserve without the painful doctrine. Good luck in your future. I am so sorry this world is still so harsh. I thought America was getting closer to realizing its potential a few years back but hate still reigns in too many hearts to allow that.
Part 3….. we just went through allllllll of this. Thank you SO MUCH for being a voice for those of us that did our research and learned how wrong this all was….. 💔
The only difference for us is that we fully trust God. We feel like He opened our eyes to all of this cult practice. We no longer subscribe to religion, because that is a box that tells you what and how to have faith. We go off of our own intuition and only subscribe to the bible…..
@@thejollygreengiant9698That book has some very negative info in it and it’s archaic. You should know how to be a good person without burying yourself in that book.
Not all hero’s wear capes!! I’ve admired you since I was little in our neighborhood, as I still do to this day. So well spoken, raw and powerful, delivered in the most respectful way possible. Thank you for standing tall. I admire your teachings of what love is.
My dad just passed away at 96. He and his 8 siblings were raised in a patriarchal Italian Catholic home. They were weekly devout church goers. Several years ago, my dad told me that the family was at church, and the priest started talking about women obeying and submitting to their husbands. He also was preaching that practicing any kind of birth control was a sin. He said his mom (a 4'11" mother of 9) stood up and started protesting against what the priest was saying. They called the police on her, and she was hauled out of church and put in an institution for two years. During her stay there, they gave her shock treatments. The kids were all put into foster homes because their dad couldn't work and take care of them all at the same time. After she was released and returned home, 7 of the 9 kids came home to the family. The two youngest stayed with their foster families for 8 and 13 years, eventually returning to the family home as teenagers. There was nothing wrong with my grandma. She was not interested in having any more children and being submissive to her husband. The Catholic Church just didn't like that she was speaking out against their b.s. patriarchal religious doctrine. She was not allowed to return to church. When my dad told me this, it made me feel sick to my stomach.
Holy cow! What a story. Both sets of my grandparents Italian and Irish were also devout Catholics. My poor grandma would beg the priest for birth control as through each of her 8 labors she nearly died and once did and they had to bring her back. 3 day + labors. Horrible. At 32 while at work she passed out in the bathroom. Coworker found her in a huge pool of blood passed out cold. She had hemorrhaged from her most recent birth a couple weeks prior. She had an emergency hysterectomy… I get that patriarchal shit from my Italian side most. Now that my grandfather is gone all my aunts now defer to whatever my dad says (which is usually off kilter). Your poor grandma. Religious abuse is a real thing. ETA. Those lil Italian women may never reach 5’ like all of mine but they sure are feisty. I wish she was heard instead of abused.
Wow that’s just awful listening to your stories. I’m a RMN and thank god mental health has moved on.....my heart goes out to you for having that happened in your family. The. Church has a lot to answer for......
@Vanessa Conti oh my gosh, how sad and another horrific story re: the Catholic Church. Thank you for sharing your grandma's story. Yes, they were definitely feisty! My grandma died when she was 92, and I was in my early 20s. She was a firecracker, for sure, clear minded until the day she died, and she loved her Anisette!
OMG! That's horrific! They're s bunch of psychopaths, crazy corrupt guys, they are the ones that need to be send to the loony house. That's the kind of crazy that have kept me away from the church, I will never surrender my right to be a free thinker & extend my children the same benefit. Sorry for what your family had to endure.
@0723Trinity Thank you. Your comment is exactly how I've lived my life and raised my kids! This blind faith, loyalty, and devotion to organized religion speaks volumes to what is going on in this crazy cult like political climate we are living with today. People need a good dose of free thinking! Practicing religion/spirituality doesn't mean you blindly sell your soul, morals, and ethics for it!
Losing your religion is a painful but liberating experience. You’re doing a great job modeling true unconditional love for your kids and family. Stay strong Heather ❤
Much respect for putting your son's well-being, and TRUTH, above church dogma. Kudos on the awareness, and courage to leave the LDS cult. I'm sure it's been a difficult, painful process. 💔
I'm rewatching these 3-part interviews to remind myself of the things that only Heather knew about Chad, now that his trial has started. Really good info. I hope all your fans watch these videos again. I can't wait to hear Heather's testimony on the stand. I hope the questions are as thorough as these interviews have been.
I could listen to Heather talk forever, she's a force to be reckoned with and I would argue she's the one with the discernment and it is a gift that is strong within her.
Heather has a beautiful spirit that has helped to restore my faith in humanity. There is already so much darkness and ugliness in our world. To see a woman that felt called to remain true to her beliefs despite the cost warms my heart. Thank you for such a meaningful and beautiful interview. I’m sending oodles of love to all of you 💜
My heart goes out to Heather on so many things. From being scapegoated, going above and beyond to accept a calling, the bravery and courage,deep sincerity and openness. Hugs❤️❤️❤️❤️
Heather, I watched the first two parts of this interview and didn’t know there was a third. I am so glad I found this interview. you are such a wonderful person and mother. There are those out there who have disowned their child after learning of that child’s truth. I too am a happy agnostic. I believe in a higher power, not in any one of the many written bibles. Every religion states that their bible is the true bible. Coming to this realization is a true blessing. You will do well in your life.
Thank you for telling your story Heather. 💔 42 years ago I left a patriarchal Christian cult where I was taught not to trust myself. Life has only gotten better, not easier, but better. Much respect for your journey. ❤
This was me in 1996. The greatest agony of my life. I lost my family, my job and for a season my sense of purpose. I fortunately did not blame God. I confronted the men and women who supported the lie. To this day I cry when I hear another who has suffered in this way. I am so sorry Heather. Thank you for sharing, I hope many others are open to look at the truth.
What a beautiful, loving mother. I just ran across your channel and watched all 3 of Heathers videos . She loves her son more than an organized religion that rejects him ❤.
Best 3 interviews I've ever watched!! Heather is such an amazing woman and human!! Sending love and healing vibes to her and her family! Thank you for giving us your insight Heather!❤❤
I had Respect for Heather before but now hearing her truth in part 3, I have a new found respect for her. Thank You Heather for Loving Your Child Unconditionally ❤ 💯 Love Wins
Incredible interview! Thank you Hidden True Crime for giving this amazing woman Heather Daybell the platform to speak her truth. After the many different layers of betrayal that Heather has been through in such a short amount of time after a lifetime of believing she has been able to come through the other side of her journey shining bright. Heather's integrity, intelligence & wisdom were able to guide her & discern her situations having the courage to step away with grace while allowing her loved ones to forge their own path according to their beliefs. It takes a woman of God to tell her story without judgement of others while showing unconditional love! 😊❤
At one point Heather said "this discernment thing isn't real". I believe discernment is real and she had it completely during her feelings about Chad. She knew he was icky and that something was wrong. Bless you Heather.
Heather is a beautiful example of a woman who stepped back from organized religion and retained her spirituality. Heather, keep doing what you are doing because you are helping your community heal and be stronger
Heather’s tattoo reminds me of something my mother said on her deathbed when she was asked what she thought about the hear after. She said “I don’t know what will happen, but whatever it is, it will be what it is supposed to be.”
I think a lot of men are attracted to the LDS religion because they are made to believe they hold all the power. My kids and I are victims of a man who abandoned our family to join with an LDS fringe polygamist group. My ex-husband spouted so many similar doctrines taught by the LDS faith, the Vallows, Daybells Frankes, and Jodi Hildebrandt. These cases have been extremely triggering, but weirdly comforting knowing that I'm not the only one that has had to deal with religious extremism. These extreme doctrines tear families apart and destroy lives.
This is my favorite interview I’ve watched on this channel so far. It was an interesting, engaging, and beautiful conversation. Thank you all for sharing it with all of us.
Heather you’re a hero. Thank you for bringing this to us. You should write a book. God revealed himself to you to see through the lies of mankind and that’s why you are where you are today. I’m so happy I watched this. Your children are so fortunate to have you as a mother.
Heather you are a STRONG HONEST COURAGEOUS WOMAN!!! . Thank you for telling us your story. Im honored to have been able to hear about your journey, and I wish you and your family all the best. Telling it will help you heal.!!! 💖💚💛. Love is the universal language., .it heals the heart, and the soul. . Sending you light and love . 💕💕
I found the interview fascinating and I learned a lot about Chads family dynamic. Thank you Heather for coming forward to shed a little perspective on Chad's life first hand. This case has been beyond bizarre and it is full of pain for so many people. I respect Heather and her thoughts and feelings. I am stronger in my testimony than ever before and I appreciate the respect she is showing to those who believe. In the end LOVE is all that matters.
I was brought up a devout Roman Catholic. My family had high hopes for me becoming a priest. I began doubting the Church, the clergy and the faith itself when I was a teenager. Finally I became a devout non-believer. I do believe in Christian values though. To me they are the values that a good person holds. None of what happened with Chad and Lori, a lot of what happens in Churches, which are power structures, has anything to do with those values. Heather Daybell, I admire you - your struggle shows you are a good person, who stood up for her son, for women, for yourself.
I would love to have you expound more about what it means to you to be a devout non-believer. Church attendance? Prayer? Study? Devoted to what exactly? Love to hear more.
Brave, strong, beautiful, intuitive Heather! Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. I’m LDS, currently RS president. Have 6 children and one son who is gay. I love him dearly and he is an amazing person. My husband left the church about 5 years ago. He then passed away a couple of years after that leaving me wondering about our lives together after I die. The Lord has told me in my heart that everything will be ok. I feel strong, happy, at peace, and greatly loved. I know that the Lord is proud of you too and that you will be ok. You are greatly loved as well. 😇❤️
This interview is groundbreaking. Not just for LDS members but for free thinkers and people that are loving and contemplative…..Heather is an amazing woman
This interview was impeccably done, incredibly powerful, & very thought provoking. Heather reminded me of the phrase, “The truth is like a Lion, you don’t need to defend it. Just set it free.” Her words were also a reminder that our faith shouldn’t be in men or institutions as they’re fallible. It should be in God alone because He is not. My heart goes out to the families. I pray they are able to find peace, healing, & obtain justice. I genuinely appreciate how honest, & vulnerable so many family members have been in sharing their stories, knowledge, experiences, & even their pain. I believe by helping to educate others using their experience it can & likely will save lives. I believe their courage, determination, goodness, & strength is something Tylee, JJ, Charles, & Tammy would be proud of & being honored through.
Oh, this has been so well done! As usual, your compassion and understanding are so evident. I’m so glad that Heather has come out of this like a true warrior ❤
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WOW !!!!!!!...What an Amazing Interview with this Truly Wonderful Woman...I feel terrible for what they have gone through. But happy that they are doing so well despite everything...It's going to be okay
Our Father in heaven is a Loving Being and anything that can cause any type of negativity is not of our Father for our Father is pure Love. It is of the enemy to be of any thing negitive. If it can cause hate, it's of the enemy. I believe that there is a good in all religions, but I will only follow the Father only through Christ in me.
Look into so many religions and you will find they a lot of them have hurt. That is of the enemy. God is pure Love and that's what Christ taught.
God was still there with you. It was Satan who led you down that path, he's known as the great liar. Sad thing is she doesn't see that yet. Satan's first time in the bible he told a lie. Why would she blame God? All she needs now is to ask God to guide her, now.
@@katherinewillie9776 - please seek professional help, you’re clearly not well…
I knew Tammy personally. She was such a kind person. Never once did she say an unkind word of anyone. It saddens me that this has happened to such a good person.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine the pain so many people are suffering because Tammy is gone.
🙏🙏🙏
💔
😢heartbreaking ❤ justice for Tammy.
I’m sorry for your loss
I adore this womans strength, im blown away by how emotionally intelligent she is. This is the kind of woman who breaks generational curses and leaves the world a better place
Who is turning herself inside out to deny her son’s fate
@@Talletc do what?
I agree, she’s remarkable.
@@Talletcyou’re brainwashed by a cult. But that’s your CHOICE. Enjoy being miserable.
💕
I want the Honorable Charles Vallow to never be forgotten in this terrible tale. He was a man and no one listened to him. He tried so hard. He likely would have been killed anyway but anyone in a contentious divorce or separation should hand off kids in a very public place.
I absolutely agree with you, I feel like often times his death is overlooked and forgotten 🥺
I agree. 100%
Couldn't agree with you more! I feel like he is the one adult in this sh#t-storm of a case that grossly gets overlooked.
💯💯💯💯 agree with this comment, maybe if Charles had lived things might not have been able to progress to the murders of Tylee and JJ. Charles would have been a torn in Lori's side and Heather would have been a torn actually was to her best of abilities a torn in Chads (slug's) side maybe just maybe 🤔 with the two of them working together they could have exposed Lori and Chad the slug for all their lies and maybe 🤔 could have stopped these pointless horrible murders. Just my opinion as Charles and Heather were on the same page and could see through those lunatics 🐂 bull shit!!!!!!
@@Objection_23and1 Lori is sitting in the pokey in AZ for his death and the attempt on Brandon, right? Hopefully Maricopa county jails aren't air conditioned. The temps are rising in AZ and it should be close to miserable soon.
The world needs more people like Heather Daybell.
This is a mother. This is the type of mother we should all strive to be: putting our children above anything else. Contrast that with Ruby Franke. what a stark difference.
This is one interview I didn’t want to end. Heather is so well spoken and so honest and raw she was pretty amazing. Not being involved in all the MSM interviews just made her even more believable. The pain these people have caused is so widespread and there are just so many victims involved.
I agree. Heather is amazing! The bravest heart. 😁
I agree with everything you said ❤
Heather Daybell needs to write a book!
I had a family member get upset with me for a LDS people being involved in all this. They are not members.
This has been an eye opener, heather has been so brutally honest! Fantastic interview .
I raised devout LDS children and then left in my 40's. My children stayed in the church for awhile and then left for their own reasons one by one over the next 12 years. I felt like the church wasn't really about Famlies can be together forever. It was about separating families. Only certain families could be together forever, and it wasn't mine. I knew my child was gay long before they did. I left knowing they would come out eventually. I left realizing church history had been misrepresented. I live a good, honest life but I am happier and more at peace without religion in my life.
You can be right with the Lord, without being in an organized religion.
Same here
I wholeheartedly agree
Me too ❤
Good for you. You don’t need to be part of any religion to be a good person.
What a blessing that her son felt safe enough to be able to share his heart with his parents. Heather didnt try to change him to fit into the religion. Seeing her sweet son showed her the church through new eyes. Her son was able to embrace a new level of freedom. This opened a door for Heather to find her own liberty. She was in captivity and didn't even realize it. When she began to investigate she found her own voice-her freedom. How terrifying to walk away from the security of all she had ever known and blaze a trail into new territory. This women is as brave as she is beautiful.
Though she believed in the church, she believed in her children more and they knew it. I am so happy for her son that he does not have to live a lie.
Beautifully said 👏 Hearing her speak about her son and her acceptance of him brought me to tears. It's a testament to what a good mother she is and what a good, moral human she is with or without religion. She's so strong and willful and emotionally intelligent and inspirational.
That's a damn good mama
Heather, it is April 2024. I’ve just listened to your full interview for the first time. Your transparency touched on so many important topics in this unbelievably difficult topic. First and foremost, my heart does go out to the extended Daybell Family. One person’s choice is not the definition of the whole. Your insight into your brother in law character explains why you are on the defence witness list and that won’t be call. The fact that you chose to spoke to Lauren and Dr John indicates that have huge love of your whole family, wanted to give an interview where church terminology is explained and understood, have love for your community and want healing. I do hope throughout all this and your faith transition, your community and former church has been kind and gentle to your family. I hope you and your family are ok during the current trial.
I’m watching this after the first week of Chad’s murder trial. I feel so bad for Heather, her husband, and family. I am grateful that she agreed to do this interview. To the family and friends of all of the victims…..I’m so sorry, and sending prayers for strength and healing.
I admire Heather for speaking her truth so publicly. As a former, born & raised LDS Church member, who left over 20 years ago, I think Heather shows Chad & the "priesthood holders" she interacted with, tremendous grace. Too much grace in my opinion, but I do respect where she is at on her journey leaving the church. It is true that when you leave, every relationship & interpersonal dynamic in your life is disrupted. There is a lot of loss & grief experienced on the road away from the LDS church. Her journey out is still very early, & I do think she will receive consequences from the church for speaking out so authentically. I wish her the best & admire her courage as she charts her own path forward.
The church does not deserve Heather.
@@Herewearenowentertainus 🖐 I'll second that 👍
@April Does I'll 'third' that!
TRUTH…those of us who left early were vilified while we gave ultimate grace to all of our “programmers” whom we didn’t recognize as such. I know…after all of my years being a “pioneer of exiting” that the grace I gave to my programmers was necessary for ME in my process, but undeserved by them as my abusers (even if they were unaware of the abuse they heaped upon me). They were given grace because of MY benevolence and character, NOT because they were worthy of it. I proved my ultimate character and worthiness by granting them grace despite the coercive control and emotional abuse they heaped upon me as a woman trying to strive for “perfection” in their distorted version of reality, where “perfection” was never really attainable as a female…because ultimately, no matter how perfect you were as a woman ….you were/ are ALWAYS less than the most imperfect man in the patriarchy.
Sounds like what happens when you leave a cult
I watched all 3 parts of the interviews with Heather. These had been some of the best I've ever watched. Amazing woman and mom! Stay strong, you've got this Heather
Heather you have saved yourself. Remember all the human "church" members are only humans and not God.
I feel like she was me talking in this episode. Like her, I spent the pandemic reading and studying and praying and wrestling with all of this. It has been so hard! Once you know the Church's history, once you recognize how you were being treated, once you realize why you have been so angry and depressed, you cannot unlearn it. I just cannot go back to being a believing member. I feel so betrayed! I miss my community! I spent so many years with only LDS friends. It has been so hard to find a new community. Thank you, Heather Daybell, for being willing to be so open and honest and sharing your true feelings. And, thank you for being true to yourself. Thank you Hidden True Crime for bring these episodes to us!
Me too
Ditto
Big YES! To Heather Daybell. You call yourself agnostic and I believe you think that is true, but you have walked through fire and you are still ministering to those who are suffering. That’s what Jesus did. He walked away from the many to minister to the few. No perfect human will ever walk this earth, but you are truly a blessing. Thank you for sharing your story. It is both horrifying and inspirational.
I didn’t know of your existence before tonight but thank you for sharing. I am not religious but did have some exposure to others who were LDS in a structured group setting several years ago and appreciate the allure of the companionship offered by the LDS community.
Thank you for sharing the reality of your experience as a woman w/in this church. Your testimony is powerful.
I was most moved by your unconditional love for your son. So many parents in your position have rejected a previously beloved child who came out to them as lgbtq+.
Thank you for valuing and loving your child. I hope your experiences will light the way for others.❤
Me too!
I commented on the first video what an amazing woman Heather is, then I heard what she did for her son who is gay and then heard about how she thoroughly researched the church and came to the difficult conclusion that it was all BS. It takes major guts and integrity to be her. And I really commend you Heather for being an intelligent, caring mom, whose willing to do whatever is necessary to honor yourself and your family while remaining kind and humble. I hope you’ll continue to share your REALLY powerful story!! I’m not even Mormon or religious for that matter but I was GLUED to this podcast. Listened to it for the 6 hours I was at work today. Thank you again! ❤
I am happy she supports her son and he trusted his mom with the biggest secret of his life shes an awesome mom.
Everyone needs a Heather in their life, she has such grace, guts and love. This is the most in depth interview series, thank you for your bravery!
I hope Heather writes her story...I think it is very important. Thank you Heather for being willing to share this part of the story
Those people.listening will.write the story.
Heather is one amazingly strong woman. She is someone I would want as a friend!
Ditto to that!
Absolutely! Me too
@MOM23KITTIES I totally agree! Would definitely want/need Heather in MY corner! What an amazing Woman, Wife & Mother! I don’t understand this “religion” and no offense but I wouldn’t WANT to! KUDDOS TO HER! ❤
The fact that her marriage and family are still holding together thru all of this fiasco ... say a great deal about their love for each other. I hope Matt can face the Truth.
Me as well!!!
The degree of control within the entire organization is astounding!
“The values that Christ taught, I have been able to understand better and actually live that way better, having stepped away from the church.” That literally brought tears to my eyes. Thank you so much for telling your amazingly genuine and authentic story, you have clearly done a lot of work to get to where you are.
Can you imagine if an LDS woman's husband died suddenly for no apparent reason and then SHE remarried in two weeks? Does anyone think she wouldn't be scorned and ostracized?
Great Point!
👏👏👏 .. perfect question. no way would that be “allowed”
I thought of this as well
If the kids had not gone missing AND found in Chad's backyard he would still be free today and Tammy would not have justice. I actually believe that Tammy is not the only wife of an LDS man that has been murdered, it can happen just like dowry murders in India. My cousin was married to a bishops son and suddenly shot herself. The circumstances were very sketchy to me but it was not investigated. This was in Utah. I don't know if it the Morman men dont have discernment or just dont care. Heather you were right to leave the church. I was raised in that area. I have a picture handing on the wall of my poligumous grandmother from the 1800s. I was never part of that church. Learned early on they were cruel. This interview and the sphinxes I have gotten from it will stay with me for a long time. Thanks to Heather and Hidden Crime. I have so much to say. I drank this up like a tall glass of long awaited water in the desert.
@@user-di8hm2jl2u wasn't she excommunicated by then? Maybe not. She might have kept her fringe beliefs under the radar.
My LDS husband beat me and left me for my best friend. The ward spoke to him and wouldn’t visit me in the hospital after he nearly killed me. Then they ignored me in church and wouldn’t sit on the same pew.
I can relate to Heather. It's like being under a spell that once you step out, that curse is broken, you become awakened, then you ask "how did I believe that"
I love this woman. I'm glad she's happy, I'm glad she's okay with removing herself from a controlling institution, and I wish her and her family all the happiness.
Truly amazing woman. Did not want this 3 part series to end. Her true life struggles, compounded by Chad and Lori’s actions, are so fascinating. Kudos to you guys for letting her words be heard
Heather NEEDS to Write a Book !
@@kookietherapy9398definitely 100% I am not a Mormon and have always wondered how this church worked more I than what I knew. Heather was so insightful about the LDS church.
Even in her struggles, even as an agnostic, she is reaching out to others in pain. She is more Christlike than most people of any Christian faith
Do you know most people of any Christian faith? A bold AND ignorant statement.
DO YOU?
@@KittehNow you sound very insecure. If you don't realize how damaging christians are you are ignorant and probably hurting people
Heather is an amazing woman. Glad she got out of this cult. I am sorry. But after learning so much about LDS there is no doubt that these people are wicked! I really hope her husband and sons realize this as well. I am shocked that so many people have fallen for these ridiculous teachings.
@@Andy-lr6ld there's wicked within all religions!!!
It takes an incredibly intellectually and emotionally honest person to do what Heather did. That level of introspection of lifelong core beliefs is so difficult. I really respect people like Heather.
As a non-denominational Christian, I have never felt the constraints of being a member of a legalistic church organization. I can only imagine how difficult it would be to leave the religion and church culture she has been in since birth. Much respect to Heather for having the courage to be true to herself. She seems like a very intelligent and strong woman.
As a Christian that went to a non-denominational church for 18 years, I very much resonated with Heather’s experience (her’s was just much, much more extreme). Patriarchal systems are sadly not just within systems like the LDS.
I watched/listened to all of her interviews twice and I disagree with your perspective. But even if it was the case that she “gave up” as you say- I would STILL give her a standing freaking ovation! I think it’s also incredibly freeing for her that she’s sharing her personal journey which requires zero approval from any of us. Go Heather, GOOOO!!!!❤️
@Nanci D Can you really "KNOW" the truth when the Mormon church intentionally misled people on their history and founding? When they refuse to disclose their finances despite building them on tax-free donations? When they fail time and time again to protect children when their policies are designed to protect the Church at the cost of victims?
Wow
@@nancid5265 The LDS denies the deity of Christ. It is a demonic UNBIBLICAL works cult. You are dead in your sins and lost my friend. You have been indoctrinated and brainwashed. Unless you repent you will perish.
Warnings against False Teachers
1Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.… Matthew 24:5-12
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many… 2Tim 4: 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.
I am in awe of how Heather and her husband have conducted themselves during this horrific ordeal. I am a in active member of the LDS church, my father was a Bishop and Stake patriarch, and 5 years ago my husband and I began to research Joseph Smith and we came to the same conclusion as Heather regarding the church, we left for the very same reasons, my records are still in the church, but my husband forced his excommunication. He never leaves anything in said, or with no doubt in how he feels. Lol.
I also felt Chad resembled characteristics of Joseph Smith and watching part 3 of this great interview with Heather was like listening to my own journey of leaving the church.
I hope you continue to heal and grow and you are a wonderful example of a what a true loving mother and wife can be. And last but not least, I have to say,
No wonder Chad didn't like you, he knew you saw right through his bull shit..
God Bless
I hope you can heal and when you do, I pray you will find Jesus as he truly is. God bless you on your journey.
@@AC-gj4ze YES! That is what I told her too! Find JESUS!
Perfectly said!❤
when a "spiritual" guy doesn't like a spiritual woman...you KNOW in your spirit they are OFF!!!!
People responding to “find Jesus” are just as oblivious and abusive as the church we left. Stop spiritual coercion.
I could listen to Heather all day long.
I love this woman. Total class act. Great interview and so much respect for her as a mother, wife and human.Thank you Heather & Hidden True Crime for this series of interviews.
Loved this series. So enlightening ❤
This description “I want to shout it from the rooftops and also never speak a word of it” is maddeningly accurate. As someone who left the church last year I relate so much to this, thank you.
Yes!!! I left 3 1/2 years ago. That line really struck hard for me too!
Sadly, while watching her interviews, I realized that I left church the same time Tylee is believed to have been murdered. I came home from church Sunday, September 8, 2019 & didn’t think I could go back. I told my best friend at the time that I didn’t think I could raise my kids in the church. I had committed to reading the CES letter the next day, while my husband was at work. He had already read it and had left the church 2 years prior to me. So Monday, September 9, 2019 I spent the day reading it and decided I was done. And it’s so crazy and surreal to think back now on what was happening to Tylee while I had this Epiphany.
I went through many traumas caused directly by the church leaders. I am so proud of Heather. I left the church for the very reasons Heather is giving. Good job.
Heather is just a phenomenal person and personality. She chose her son. Good for her! So very poised, articulate, smart, empathetic, beautiful and classy. I believe everything she said. Very kind, even though, people have given her a hard time. What a great interview. Great job. FYI - I watched all three! ❤
Heather you are so intelligent, empathetic, strong willed and resilient. Thank you for this interview.
Thank-you Heather xx
You helped me..
I'm nobody special..
Just a mother in Western Australia, struggling with boundaries for my own self preservation/protection and finding the strength to do so.
You have helped me Heather..
I wanted you to know..
A hug sent across the sea to you from me xx
Lynda
Bless you! She has moved me too! Her story is very moving! Amazing woman.😊
This comment touched me. May you find the strength and protect yourself. Stay strong.
Wishing all the best for you.
Also a Mum from Perth WA, so hi☺️
As a fellow Ex Mormon who left in 2020, thank you so much for your words. You said so many of the things I've wanted to say but cannot vocalize. And this has been the best interview in this case! I'm h oping the other podcast you're going to speak on is Mormon Stories. Thanks again for sharing. I know it's hard!
John Dehlin is so worth listening to!
Good to know there is life after religion, wish you much happiness in the future✊♥️
Left the church years ago and Heather is an inspiration! My esteem for her is huge!
A Happy agnostic. That’s me too! Heather is brave strong smart and beautiful! Hope to see her on Mormon stories with John Dehlin next.🤞🧡
I can't believe how controlled you all were and feeling so guilty. God is all about love not control. You can do whatever you want in life and be whoever you want, just be kind, caring and loving and the world will be your oyster! ❤️
Why can you not vocalize?
Heather, you are the Anti-Chad. You had the true intuition while he made up his own. I believe he feared you as the powerful woman you are. I applaud your bravery in all of this. Thank you for sharing your journey. Thank you to Lauren for remaining a wonderfully objective interviewer. Both amazing women! 👏 💕
Well said!
Your son has an amazing mother. You know your truth. This reminds me of the the Muslim beliefs as well.
Heather had the goods on Chad.He couldn't fool her.I can imagine how Matt felt after this all came out & his wife was right about Chad.
OMG! At first I thought you called her the Anti-Christ. Not your fault - it’s my cognitive issue. Then I read the rest and went back read “Chad.” Yes, love what Heather had to say.
100%
As an atheist, I have respect for people who have faith in their lives, as long as they practice what they believe. I don’t want to be preached to by anyone and I will shut it down the moment someone tries, but as a nurse, I’ve seen how helpful faith is to people’s comfort and healing, and I have always supported my patients in anyway I could. I would ask if they need a chaplain, or a rabbi, a priest or Imam, or whatever they need. I don’t pray but I’ve offered to hold my patients hands while they pray. I don’t believe you need to believe in a deity to be a good person, but if you believe in a deity, it shouldn’t be weaponized.
Very well said!
As an atheist of 70 years l,m interested in religions. I also have a married gay daughter. Any negative comments on equality ,l am annoyed to hear. We have progressed to 2024 with arms open to everyone who struggles with identity .
@@krisbest6405 absolutely, I have a trans nephew and grew up with a gay aunt and uncle (out of 5 siblings). My uncle was my favorite because he didn’t give a crap what anyone thought about him and he was the least judgmental of that entire family. I’m right there with you as an ally!!!! 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️💗💗 and, I do find the subject of religion super interesting because it has such a huge impact on different cultures and societies, but I can’t support using religion as a weapon against people who live and believe differently.
Really loved this interview. I can relate on so many levels. What Heather said at 56:44 about being a better human since leaving the church was exactly my experience, too. It is a huge identity crisis, especially when you've built decades of your life upon it, but the liberation, relief, and empowerment are worth it. I have immense respect for her. It is through people like her that abuses are exposed and ended. Her struggles have a purpose. Wishing her and her family all the best. ✨❤️🌱☀️ Thank you for hosting her.
You & Heather were living in conflict of your faith. When we are always told don't question the belief system, it will all work out, does nothing but require the individual person to suppress their logical & critical thinking. Constantly going to "temple" does nothing to settle the spiritual heart & mind of the person! Heather's husband is wonderful & to give her the freedom to go on her own journey is absolutely amazing!
@@janetcampbell9286 Yes, well said. I was in conflict with my authentic faith, which I had suppressed, along with my critical thinking, indeed, which I had once valued highly. Thankfully, my husband also gave me the room to explore, and he supports me in my choices. Otherwise, I would have found it necessary to divorce in order to save myself, and that was an additional crisis I wanted to avoid. Instead, we have a better relationship for the changes.
Heather is the male dominated LDS' worst nightmare. She is intelligent, well spoken, a critical thinker, a detailed researcher and someone who isn't afraid to question and then challenge patriarchal based expectations and demands of the LDS and their "doctrines". This is the very reason Chad feared her and attempted to gas light others concerning Heather's motives and agenda. Matt and Heather's children are lucky to have such a bright, articulate, thoughtful and loving wife and mother.
Spot on!
And you have described her perfectly!
Ditto
Oh get off the feminist thing.
@@dsoule4902oh! Go make a sandwich!
Once you see truth…you can’t unsee it. You are truly a breath of fresh air.
This interview was way more compelling than I expected. Kudos to her for being so honest and vulnerable about her life. I think this will be very helpful to many who face family issues, catastrophes, and crises of faith. Thank you ❤
What a remarkable human!!! Thank you, Heather! Parts one and two were devastating... Part three? Inspiring and Uplifting. As a gay woman and a woman of faith, I have come to realize that faith in God is way different than adhering to man's religious denominational doctrine.
Watching her interview for the 3rd or 4th time. Thank you Heather. This interview led me to look deeper, open my mind more, and broaden my understanding. Thank you Heather and thank you Lauren and the Good Doc for sharing with all of us.
It has profoundly impacted my life. Thank you for shedding light on this community.
Been where Heather is…I can say it gets better the longer you are away from the programming. I, like her, was devout and left the church when members of my family were in prominent leadership positions and speaking at General Conference. I said my truth, got a divorce, and spent the next few decades DEprogramming and learning to value myself as a woman. You are beautiful, strong, and loving. Live YOUR truth girl! Keep supporting your gay son, your mission- serving son, and all of the kids in between. LOVE is the universal language. And you have an abundance of that!
Congratulations on finding your truth. It's very difficult and takes a lot of courage.
Yes,.... love is the true connection to the Divine.
I love hearing stories like yours, they give me hope. My dad was in the quorum of the 70 and our navigation of this has been brutal. It helps to know things can get better. ❤
@@ernweist Hang in there….they will get better. The hurt, anger, and betrayal of “what could have been,” took me a while to get over, but eventually you start realizing how NONE of their coercive, small-minded patriarchal thought-processes have any meaning or validity in your life and it becomes a nonissue. You burst from your cocoon, a beautiful, incredibly intelligent woman who doesn’t give a sh$& what the patriarchy and their enablers think about you…it’s marvelously freeing! 💖
So eloquently spoken!
Thanks so much @Hidden True Crime for allowing Heather this platform, and allowing people to speak their differences in an open and respectful manner. I'm truly impressed.
Heather has really used this horrific tragedy to grow. It's good to hear she's find peace & happiness.
I am hoping that after this trial Heather can do another interview. Would love to know how her journey and healing has gone. How things may have changed and how you have navigated through the last few years. Also, how your business is doing. You're an amazing amount of strength. I do hope the last few years have found you piece in your journey.
Heather Daybell made it out from the other side and narrates her story with such a thorough understanding of the process.
She is a very impressive woman and holds the power in her life.
She was born at the right time to teach others.
Heather is so refreshingly real and honest
I truly believe Chad systematically closed Tammy off from everyone knowing what was going to happen to her. Once him and Lori met they knew what they wanted, and that was for it to be just the two of them.
The truly heartbreaking thing to me is how Tammy was seen as indifferent and not nice by those Chad did not want her talking to. He emotionally abused her. When everyone else who knew her outside of Chads grips said what a sweet warm person she was. The picture he painted of her tainted her legacy IMO. How sad. It leaves questions in peoples minds who did not know her. I didn’t know her, but I know the good Lord does and I know she is at Peace away from the devil. I hope her boys learn from how their father treated there Mother and doesn’t do the same.
but the people he didn't have contact with and Tammy had relationships with, knew her to be wonderful, kind, etc. Proves his manipulative behavior. She must have been very lonely.
@@dianayount2122 yes and that makes me so sad. To think of what she must have been going through.
I agree.
I thought it was interesting she pointed out, Tammy had depression, but didn’t validate her day to-day existence. She was beat down, did all the house work, took care of the kids, all of Chad‘s needs, and then worked outside of the home on top of it.
Throughout this talk Heather mentions how they worked so hard for their home, and lifestyle. I don’t dispute that. There are other families, who work equally as hard, who don’t have the same disposable income.
It was shown that Tammy went through a bankruptcy , she was hanging on by her teeth. On top of it she was told to be the good little wife. Her five kids also served missions. I believe that she was devout as well. There’s no way she couldn’t have been.
Something is wrong with the Tammy narrative.
It's just horrible. I feel so sad for her. She was taught to go along with the man. BS! Going along with the man got her 6 ft under.
@Rescue Mom no it never does. Awareness people.
Heather Daybell, My name is Becky & I need you to know that you have moved me to tears. I am bawling listening to you describe your fierce advocacy & support for your son. I am an LGBT member. I don't want to leave the people in my ward because the Stake President's family is so good to me & I love them. But, yes some of the doctrine is painful to hear. I have heard members vociferously denounce 'homosexuality' & same sex marriage on Fast Sunday. You should be an advocate for us! We need your strength! Thank you so much for this testimony, you are a bonafide Hero, ma'am! 🤗😇🤗😇🤗😇
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I hope you can find the love and acceptance that you deserve without the painful doctrine. Good luck in your future. I am so sorry this world is still so harsh. I thought America was getting closer to realizing its potential a few years back but hate still reigns in too many hearts to allow that.
You don't have to be part of religion that that doesn't accept you! God if there is one is love.
Part 3….. we just went through allllllll of this. Thank you SO MUCH for being a voice for those of us that did our research and learned how wrong this all was….. 💔
The only difference for us is that we fully trust God. We feel like He opened our eyes to all of this cult practice. We no longer subscribe to religion, because that is a box that tells you what and how to have faith. We go off of our own intuition and only subscribe to the bible…..
@@thejollygreengiant9698That book has some very negative info in it and it’s archaic. You should know how to be a good person without burying yourself in that book.
Thank you Heather for supporting your son and for speaking truth about the LDS church beliefs and teachings.
Not all hero’s wear capes!! I’ve admired you since I was little in our neighborhood, as I still do to this day. So well spoken, raw and powerful, delivered in the most respectful way possible. Thank you for standing tall. I admire your teachings of what love is.
My dad just passed away at 96. He and his 8 siblings were raised in a patriarchal Italian Catholic home. They were weekly devout church goers. Several years ago, my dad told me that the family was at church, and the priest started talking about women obeying and submitting to their husbands. He also was preaching that practicing any kind of birth control was a sin. He said his mom (a 4'11" mother of 9) stood up and started protesting against what the priest was saying. They called the police on her, and she was hauled out of church and put in an institution for two years. During her stay there, they gave her shock treatments. The kids were all put into foster homes because their dad couldn't work and take care of them all at the same time. After she was released and returned home, 7 of the 9 kids came home to the family. The two youngest stayed with their foster families for 8 and 13 years, eventually returning to the family home as teenagers. There was nothing wrong with my grandma. She was not interested in having any more children and being submissive to her husband. The Catholic Church just didn't like that she was speaking out against their b.s. patriarchal religious doctrine. She was not allowed to return to church. When my dad told me this, it made me feel sick to my stomach.
Holy cow! What a story. Both sets of my grandparents Italian and Irish were also devout Catholics. My poor grandma would beg the priest for birth control as through each of her 8 labors she nearly died and once did and they had to bring her back. 3 day + labors. Horrible. At 32 while at work she passed out in the bathroom. Coworker found her in a huge pool of blood passed out cold. She had hemorrhaged from her most recent birth a couple weeks prior. She had an emergency hysterectomy…
I get that patriarchal shit from my Italian side most. Now that my grandfather is gone all my aunts now defer to whatever my dad says (which is usually off kilter).
Your poor grandma. Religious abuse is a real thing.
ETA. Those lil Italian women may never reach 5’ like all of mine but they sure are feisty. I wish she was heard instead of abused.
Wow that’s just awful listening to your stories. I’m a RMN and thank god mental health has moved on.....my heart goes out to you for having that happened in your family. The. Church has a lot to answer for......
@Vanessa Conti oh my gosh, how sad and another horrific story re: the Catholic Church. Thank you for sharing your grandma's story. Yes, they were definitely feisty! My grandma died when she was 92, and I was in my early 20s. She was a firecracker, for sure, clear minded until the day she died, and she loved her Anisette!
OMG! That's horrific! They're s bunch of psychopaths, crazy corrupt guys, they are the ones that need to be send to the loony house. That's the kind of crazy that have kept me away from the church, I will never surrender my right to be a free thinker & extend my children the same benefit. Sorry for what your family had to endure.
@0723Trinity Thank you. Your comment is exactly how I've lived my life and raised my kids! This blind faith, loyalty, and devotion to organized religion speaks volumes to what is going on in this crazy cult like political climate we are living with today. People need a good dose of free thinking! Practicing religion/spirituality doesn't mean you blindly sell your soul, morals, and ethics for it!
Heather is my hero. She has amazing grace, is insightful and her honesty is beautiful.
Your son is so lucky to have you and I’m sure you him.
This is a great interview. Heather, thank you for being honest and genuine
Losing your religion is a painful but liberating experience. You’re doing a great job modeling true unconditional love for your kids and family. Stay strong Heather ❤
Thanks for covering this. Says a lot about you guys for her to trust you ♥️♥️
Thank you Sleuthing Sandy. We are honored to earn Heather's trust.
Much respect for putting your son's well-being, and TRUTH, above church dogma. Kudos on the awareness, and courage to leave the LDS cult. I'm sure it's been a difficult, painful process. 💔
I'm rewatching these 3-part interviews to remind myself of the things that only Heather knew about Chad, now that his trial has started. Really good info. I hope all your fans watch these videos again. I can't wait to hear Heather's testimony on the stand. I hope the questions are as thorough as these interviews have been.
I like this woman. She is smart, strong, and caring.
I could listen to Heather talk forever, she's a force to be reckoned with and I would argue she's the one with the discernment and it is a gift that is strong within her.
Heather has a beautiful spirit that has helped to restore my faith in humanity. There is already so much darkness and ugliness in our world. To see a woman that felt called to remain true to her beliefs despite the cost warms my heart. Thank you for such a meaningful and beautiful interview. I’m sending oodles of love to all of you 💜
My heart goes out to Heather on so many things. From being scapegoated, going above and beyond to accept a calling, the bravery and courage,deep sincerity and openness. Hugs❤️❤️❤️❤️
Heather, I watched the first two parts of this interview and didn’t know there was a third. I am so glad I found this interview. you are such a wonderful person and mother. There are those out there who have disowned their child after learning of that child’s truth. I too am a happy agnostic. I believe in a higher power, not in any one of the many written bibles. Every religion states that their bible is the true bible. Coming to this realization is a true blessing. You will do well in your life.
Thank you for telling your story Heather. 💔 42 years ago I left a patriarchal Christian cult where I was taught not to trust myself. Life has only gotten better, not easier, but better. Much respect for your journey. ❤
Gosh, I found Heather's story fascinating. I feel she has so much to offer as both a speaker and writer.
Thank you, Heather. You have provided so much insight into Daybell family dynamics and the LDS church. Your strength is inspiring. I wish you well.
This was me in 1996. The greatest agony of my life. I lost my family, my job and for a season my sense of purpose. I fortunately did not blame God. I confronted the men and women who supported the lie. To this day I cry when I hear another who has suffered in this way. I am so sorry Heather. Thank you for sharing, I hope many others are open to look at the truth.
What a beautiful, loving mother. I just ran across your channel and watched all 3 of Heathers videos . She loves her son more than an organized religion that rejects him ❤.
Best 3 interviews I've ever watched!! Heather is such an amazing woman and human!! Sending love and healing vibes to her and her family! Thank you for giving us your insight Heather!❤❤
I had Respect for Heather before but now hearing her truth in part 3, I have a new found respect for her. Thank You Heather for Loving Your Child Unconditionally ❤ 💯 Love Wins
This is absolutely your best ever interview…so much food for thought and forgiveness
I applaud Heather and her courage to tell her story! I can see that this was not a decision she took lightly
Well god protected your family, and your discernment maybe came from God? No????
Incredible interview! Thank you Hidden True Crime for giving this amazing woman Heather Daybell the platform to speak her truth. After the many different layers of betrayal that Heather has been through in such a short amount of time after a lifetime of believing she has been able to come through the other side of her journey shining bright. Heather's integrity, intelligence & wisdom were able to guide her & discern her situations having the courage to step away with grace while allowing her loved ones to forge their own path according to their beliefs. It takes a woman of God to tell her story without judgement of others while showing unconditional love! 😊❤
At one point Heather said "this discernment thing isn't real". I believe discernment is real and she had it completely during her feelings about Chad. She knew he was icky and that something was wrong. Bless you Heather.
We've been calling it women's intuition for centuries. Men stole the idea, changed the name, and still couldn't get it right.
@@username.not.known2473such a good point!
Heather is a beautiful example of a woman who stepped back from organized religion and retained her spirituality. Heather, keep doing what you are doing because you are helping your community heal and be stronger
I absolutely love strong women like Lauren and Heather. I hope these women inspire some of you who are afraid. Always speak truth to power.
Heather’s tattoo reminds me of something my mother said on her deathbed when she was asked what she thought about the hear after. She said “I don’t know what will happen, but whatever it is, it will be what it is supposed to be.”
I always have said whatever is meant to be WILL BE 😊
@@djr5372 no
@@djr5372if you watched the video you would know. Do you always comment on stuff you haven’t watched?
I think a lot of men are attracted to the LDS religion because they are made to believe they hold all the power. My kids and I are victims of a man who abandoned our family to join with an LDS fringe polygamist group. My ex-husband spouted so many similar doctrines taught by the LDS faith, the Vallows, Daybells Frankes, and Jodi Hildebrandt. These cases have been extremely triggering, but weirdly comforting knowing that I'm not the only one that has had to deal with religious extremism. These extreme doctrines tear families apart and destroy lives.
Two different groups, LDS and FLDS not the same thing.
@@Marilisbeth1are they though?
FLDS were always LDS first.
This is my favorite interview I’ve watched on this channel so far. It was an interesting, engaging, and beautiful conversation. Thank you all for sharing it with all of us.
Heather you’re a hero. Thank you for bringing this to us. You should write a book. God revealed himself to you to see through the lies of mankind and that’s why you are where you are today. I’m so happy I watched this. Your children are so fortunate to have you as a mother.
Excellent interview. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing Heather’s story. Powerful. Could listen to her everyday!!
Heather you are a STRONG HONEST COURAGEOUS WOMAN!!! . Thank you for telling us your story. Im honored to have been able to hear about your journey, and I wish you and your family all the best. Telling it will help you heal.!!! 💖💚💛. Love is the universal language., .it heals the heart, and the soul. . Sending you light and love
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Thank you for sharing your story. After leaving the church I have found more love and acceptance than I ever did in the church
What a beautiful / balance lady. Healthy thoughts and a beautiful soul! Love to Heather!💛
I found the interview fascinating and I learned a lot about Chads family dynamic. Thank you Heather for coming forward to shed a little perspective on Chad's life first hand. This case has been beyond bizarre and it is full of pain for so many people. I respect Heather and her thoughts and feelings. I am stronger in my testimony than ever before and I appreciate the respect she is showing to those who believe. In the end LOVE is all that matters.
I was brought up a devout Roman Catholic. My family had high hopes for me becoming a priest. I began doubting the Church, the clergy and the faith itself when I was a teenager. Finally I became a devout non-believer. I do believe in Christian values though. To me they are the values that a good person holds. None of what happened with Chad and Lori, a lot of what happens in Churches, which are power structures, has anything to do with those values. Heather Daybell, I admire you - your struggle shows you are a good person, who stood up for her son, for women, for yourself.
I would love to have you expound more about what it means to you to be a devout non-believer. Church attendance? Prayer? Study? Devoted to what exactly? Love to hear more.
Brave, strong, beautiful, intuitive Heather! Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. I’m LDS, currently RS president. Have 6 children and one son who is gay. I love him dearly and he is an amazing person. My husband left the church about 5 years ago. He then passed away a couple of years after that leaving me wondering about our lives together after I die. The Lord has told me in my heart that everything will be ok. I feel strong, happy, at peace, and greatly loved. I know that the Lord is proud of you too and that you will be ok. You are greatly loved as well. 😇❤️
This interview is groundbreaking. Not just for LDS members but for free thinkers and people that are loving and contemplative…..Heather is an amazing woman
Amazing person. Makes you aware of the collateral damage that these things can cause family members. I think she should start her own podcasts.
This interview was impeccably done, incredibly powerful, & very thought provoking. Heather reminded me of the phrase, “The truth is like a Lion, you don’t need to defend it. Just set it free.” Her words were also a reminder that our faith shouldn’t be in men or institutions as they’re fallible. It should be in God alone because He is not. My heart goes out to the families. I pray they are able to find peace, healing, & obtain justice. I genuinely appreciate how honest, & vulnerable so many family members have been in sharing their stories, knowledge, experiences, & even their pain. I believe by helping to educate others using their experience it can & likely will save lives. I believe their courage, determination, goodness, & strength is something Tylee, JJ, Charles, & Tammy would be proud of & being honored through.
What a strong, intelligent, beautiful and soulful person.
Oh, this has been so well done! As usual, your compassion and understanding are so evident. I’m so glad that Heather has come out of this like a true warrior ❤
I admire this woman. Listened to all three parts twice over. Articulate and brave. Strong. Hope she's OK.
Really enjoy Heather Daybell. This is a rewatch must better understanding 2 time around hope after Chads court case we will hear from her again