I left AVOW when the guy who went by the pseudonym Coyboy was ousted by Parrett. That was a very long time ago, but clearly not much has changed over there. It’s kind of embarrassing. Christopher still sends out his “highlights” emails, the latest panic items and doom and gloom he’s trying to use to drag people back in. The last one was literally copy and pasted from TheDrudgeReport. All the same stories in all the same order. I remember some poor lady over there saying how she’d sold her wedding rings to buy food storage, and her husband was so hurt over that. It’s just sick and wrong. Plus Parrett used to read people’s private messages (there’s a not-so private messaging function at AVOW). He’s the king of the full-scrub. He can make any detractor disappear off the forum at any time, along with every post they ever did. He removes all competition and criticism. There was a lot of revisionist history happening there after Chad started to look guilty. In a couple years, those poor subscribers will not even remember what went on.
Wow, it's even more toxic and inward looking than previously thought. Thanks for sharing, what stops others, why isn't this destructive nonsense outed and discussed in the open. Breeding ground for future catastrophe, pain suffering and tragedy in real time not some fanciful future. If only one thing is learnt from the child and adult deaths in the Daybell debacle it must be to speak up when you know or feel something is wrong or rotten,. Speech can save lifes and this is the real work God put us on the this earth to do. Too much of this darkness is driven by personal greed.
Sounds like their belief of having eternal life/salvation is based solely on one's food storage which boils down to financial abilities and not based on a personal relationship with Jesus....what a SLAP on our Dear Saviors Face...that we don't need His sacrifices made for each one of us and our Salvation/Eternal LIFE depends on SELF...the amount of food we have stored. Why can't they see HOW WRONG these teachings are....is NOT WHAT the Holy Scriptures teach. And cans of corn, veggies, sack of beans, rice, flour is what gets you into Heaven and what took place on the cross, Jesus ultimate sacrifice is worthless....but these people are so blinded by Satan's deceptive powers that there's no WAY for them to return to the TRUTH as they may have crossed over the point of no RETURN...unless they STOP and repent w a contrite and humble HEART...but we don't SEE ANY of THEM repenting or being humble...instead are FULL of pride, SELF appointments as THE LEADER that others must obey and worship them. We too got caught up in END TIMES trauma drama...we emptied our wallets almost left us financially ruined bcuz we were convinced that time was too short AND was OUR DUTY to HELP save as many people as possible...we gave our time, resources and every ounce of energy instead of just enjoying life itself...my son and other family members got ignored as I was too busy with our "godly" duties of spreading the scary, terrifying warnings of WHAT was about to happen. Many nights, I'd weep and sob my heart out, unable to sleep as I worried about soon to come "The END TIMES and the Time of Trouble" Our lives were totally focused of the impending doom... Deadly earthquakes, fires, pandemics and financial ruin....i was so terribly unhappy I contemplated ending my life because I was too afraid of what was about to take place... I secretly despised my faith and my view of God wasn't any better..He was a mean and most cruel entity to be feared by ALL BCUZ if we didn't GET ready, God would torture and punish us AND THEN we'd burn in HELL. We were young mid 20s, invested and saved wisely, owned a beautiful home on several acres, a hilltop w most beautiful view. It was east San Diego County always hot and I wanted an inground swimming pool as well as beautiful refurbishing for our fabulous home..but because of OUR crazy End Time beliefs we sold that home, my dream home..and moved further out in country...instead of getting nice furniture, we got used stuff, sold the nicer things..my son a gifted music prodigy did not get the grand piano he'd begged for, instead we got an old upright clunker piano and used the money on END TIMES ... This was mid 70s, almost half century ago and we became disillusioned, discouraged that we gave up on our faith thinking why bother? We look BACK and FEEL the painfully obvious of foolishness we'd learned believed....the financial loss is heartbreaking....but we're ok...the leaders of this belief benifited from our giving while they enjoys THINGS we only dreamed of having...it took us years to go back to church..now fully engaged..but RECENT writings in the church publications alarmed us....END TIMES, GLOBAL PANDEMIC, VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS, EARTHQUAKES, FORCED VACCINES, LOSS OF OUR RIGHTS, CIVIL UNRESTRAINED, MARSHALL LAW...FOR SURE IS END TIMES.....sigh....yawn yawn..am I cynical? Angry? Bittet? You bet! I think these prepper and AVOW people WILL one day wake the HELL up and come to their senses and conclusions that THIS belief is SELF SERVING and WILL see Chad and Lori as nothing more than 2 horny murderers who lead them far out in the thicket and abandoned them all when they see the TRAIL and they're sitting in prison cage locked up until they're dead..then WHO WILL they turn to as their new gawd? Melanoma Gibberish? Maybe so but there's a few others who aren't as CRAZY and WILL beat her off her white throne! 🚽 and toss her jeweled 👑 in the PET cemetery along w a dead raccoon!
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags Don't punish yourself, these are skilled manipulators with both self interest and the silent complicity of the Church of the Latter Days Saints. You have come into the real light of God, your future with Him will be happy and secure. Thank you for having the courage to share, it will help others currently betrayed and misled by dark forces currently still at work in the Western States of the US. IMO.
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags hugs to you. The one priceless treasure we must have is Jesus Christ and His salvation. He is Love, and His presence is worth much more than any earthly things we may have or lose.. I'm sure that those who knowingly mislead and take advantage of His children will stand judgement before His throne.. I'm so glad that you know this. ❤
It seems like Chad noticed that Julie was becoming popular, and gaining a following, and getting rich, so he decided to start saying his books were true in the hopes that he too could become popular and rich.
Chad Daybell disgusts me. My heart breaks for Tammy.She did everything for her family for all those years. And he killed her ( or planned to do so ) to live the good life with Lorie and the money of Tammys life insurance policy. What kind of a person does that?! 😞😢
An 😈 evil, prideful monster who lusts for money and a fake azz goddess! A man who is so full of 💩💩💩, he doesn't believe a word of the crapp that comes out of his mouth! A demon posessed "zombie"!!! That's who!
When will Julie Rowe build up the courage to allow Lauren and Dr. John (akaBabe) to interview her? If she has nothing to hide or be ashamed of then an interview should be no problem right? Mad respect for Anna!
If you look at her RUclips channel people have been extremely rude to her , I think she was very upset on one of her shows , she really believes in this and folks were calling her crazy ,I am sure she was hurt. Maybe that’s why she only goes with her body guards..
Julie has mental problems, and I really don't think she will go over well with the general public. I also don't think she needs any more focus, there are still a lot of people she could influence. One would be too many.!
This question is for Anna: Based upon the totality of your experience with both Julie Rowe, Chad Daybell, AVOW and any other LDS prepper group....do you think that Julie knows that she's a fraud, is she aware that she's lying compulsively and taking advantage of people's fears....taking advantage of people with weaker minds and people who've been beat up by life? Do you, and I'm just asking for your opinion as I know that you can only speak for yourself, do you believe that Chad is aware of what a fraud he is?
I think while Chad was waiting in his truck while ghe FBI, and police were searching his property; the enormity of what she and he had done hit him! That's why he started stuttering and couldn't tell Lori that she could call him later! Anybody that was getting dark, has anyone checked to see if they had recently increased life insurance? Did they think they were not going to be caught, or they seriously thought God waz going to protect them??
IMO When you make up near death experiences and saying that you have seen God. I feel they all know that they are making up BS to proclaim they are a profit and take peoples money. I honestly believe that God will take care of julie rowe and let the entire world see her for who she really is!
That makes so much sense now. Chad and Lori were both money hungry, and this just proves it. Chad saw Julie making a fortune and decided he'd get in on that, meanwhile Lori had a well-off hubby with life insurance. Greed wins over everything. Even family 😔
It's all about greed it's all about greed and money you need to take the basic stupid religious thing and realize these people were duped there's no end of the world there's no Doomsday you live life there's no out to that so just live your best life
@Leesaloves WE know chad never had a full time job. He was a sexton it wouldn't have paid much. He was an opportunist that preyed on women. And far too many stupid women believed him
It really goes to say that Chad was nothing without Tammy...He wasn't a good writer ,no imagination and had to make it up to have his books sold...Lori always seem to have everything,beautiful homes,holidays away, no shortage of money. Lori would have got so fed up of Chad if they had stayed together and got rid of him also.. Chad Daybell is such a weak sinister individual and both himself and Lori are psychopaths and serial killers....Justice for all the innocent victims. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪 💚💜💙💜💙💜
Not true Lori lived above her means she filed for bankruptcy 2 times I think I know at least once. She was a hair stylist she didn't have money and she killed her cash cow. She thought she was getting his life insurance. Little did she know he is smart and noticed and reported that she was going crazy and changed her as a beneficiary. Charles had the money and she left Charles for Chad. Your right about her getting over Chad quickly she would have been out of there but then again she is a nut case so who knows.
I wish no one had been killed so chad and Lori could have spent their miserable lives together because they totally deserved each other. Charles and Tammy were far too good for these human monsters.
@@kathydevries6513 Agree Kathy, hopefully they will both get exactly what they deserve the DP, and while waiting for that, they will remain locked in their cages until that day....Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
My mind is blown. I've been a member all my life. I'm old enough to be a grandma. I never heard any of this insanity until the whole missing kids situation was on the news a few years ago. And I've learned some more since. But this interview taught me a lot. Maybe I've been living under a rock because I didn't know what AVOW was, and still really don't except for what's in this interview. I hadn't heard of Chad or Julie or about of these people before the news reports. I did have a friend recommend the book visions of glory so i ordered it on audible. But I've never listened to it. I just now remembered about it because she had said it was about a near death experience so this triggered my memory. I don't think I'll be listening to it. Maybe it has nothing to do with this but I don't even care. It's all so weird. These people are crazy. And I'm a believer in food storage. But this is nuts. I've been listening to the trial because I'm a true crime fan and wow, there aren't even words. I can't believe these people. 🤯🤯🤯
Sadly it had everything to do with it. When you set out to get rich by claiming you are special or better than others in the eyes of God, it is evil and it spreads like oil on water. So folks drink that greasy water and some of them (like Chad) copy the idea.
A co worker tried to give my the book, Visions of Glory! She tried to put the book in my hands, I put my hands behind my back. Something told me No! It was too off beat for me and I am a Mormon!
I love this lady's interview so much. She's so self-aware and able understand her imperfections, evaluate and then correct it. That's really admirable because that's hard for a lot of people.
Once again my mind is blown by all the new people you interview, Lauren! Every detail was riveting. I can’t wait for Part 2! All my love to you and Dr Babe (harhar).
Agreed, we are fortunate to hear such a broad but very detailed narrative of Chad and Lori's exploits, through the eyes of the people around them at that time. Lauren and Dr. John have done an outstanding job! Can't wait for part 2!! 😊
This was fascinating. Based on the information that comes out in this interview, it seems that for years Chad was writing “end-times” books and saying they were fiction. During those years his books weren’t making much money, and he and Tammy had serious money problems, including a bankruptcy. He then began publishing Julie Rowe’s books, which she claims contain non-fiction predictions of the “end-times.” Her books became very popular and sold a lot, which made money for Chad since he was Julie Rowe’s publisher. Additionally, the popularity of Julie Rowe’s books led to her doing several well-attended (and expensive) speaking engagements, where she made a lot of money. Chad could now see two ways that he could increase his own income: 1) write books about the “end-times” and claim that they contain your “true” visions of upcoming events. 2) Once you’ve created some “buzz” and interest in your books, use that as a jumping off point to do speaking engagements where you can charge people to hear you speak about your supposed visions. The fact that Chad suddenly started telling people that his fiction books were really non-fiction visions, dreams and predictions of the future, just when he saw Julie Rowe making a lot of money doing the same thing….this leads to the conclusion that he probably saw the monetary opportunities in scamming people by exploiting their desire for spiritual knowledge. What a con artist. Additionally, he and Julie Rowe followed a very similar playbook as they both continued their scam…they both groomed people who seemed particularly easy to manipulate, and they would eventually go to those people and ask for money, favors, etc….in exchange for being told by Chad or Julie that they were “special and chosen.” In the police interviews I’ve seen with Chad/Lori’s followers, their followers seem to fall into 2 categories: 1) So many of them seem emotionally very immature for being in their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s. They really seem to be operating at the level of about a teenager, and are very easily manipulated; very needy for validation and someone to “tell them what to do.” It is a kind of deep immaturity and irresponsibility to allow yourself (as fully an adult) to just be told what to do without engaging in any critical thinking or analysis of the merits of what you’re being told to do. These people just swallowed whole everything Chad/Lori would tell them, without challenging any of the strange, dangerous things they were being told. 2) A small number of the police interviewees actually seem intelligent and a bit more mature, but their downfall is that they were seeking for deeper and deeper meaning in their religious study and worship, to the point where they eventually “looked beyond the mark,” as the scriptures call it. The simple, sweet truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ were not “enough” for them, and they ended up going into strange pseudo-doctrinal estuaries and paths which took them further and further away from the actual teachings of the church. Over and over again the LDS church’s leaders have begged the members to “stay in the mainstream of the church.” In every interview I’ve heard so far from those who are/were followers or fans of Chad, Lori, Julie Rowe, AVOW, Preparing A People…those who are part of these groups and affiliations were involved in beliefs and practices that are not taught in the LDS church. They’re looking for something more, or beyond the teachings of the church, (looking beyond the mark), and in doing so they open themselves up to being deceived.
That was so we'll stated.I have followed this from beginning & I have same take on this mess.I was sickened by J Rowe scamming people .What does she do now?
@@michalhaddadlevy965 she wasn’t judging her, I feel as if it was heartfelt not humiliating Tammy, AT ALL, but genuine kind insight. So I disagree with your comment. Although you have a right to your opinion ❤
Very interesting timing when Chad "reveled" his books were true rather than fiction. Saw Julies success and wanted the same level of public adulation. This woman is lucky her kids did not marry into that family!
Wow-I'm 46 years old and have been a member of the church living in Idaho and Utah for my entire life. Imagine my surprise when I heard of AVOW for the first time today, lol! No, I haven't been living under a rock, but my hubby and I graduated from BYUI (Ricks), we go to work every day, have raised a happy family, served in our church callings, and had a ton of fun doing it. I guess we just stuck to the middle of the road and it sounds like that was a good idea. This stuff is nuts😂
I would say that the majority LDS people are not this gullible. It’s sad but it seem those that are extreme on the last days are the ones that make the news.
Dr. Babe and Lauren you are an adorable couple. I look forward to each and every video. One notable quote, "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.," Voltaire Their beliefs are absurdities and actions are atrocities. BRAVO Dr Babe and Lauren. BRAVO!
I suppose that one of Chad Daybell's predictions came to pass....the leader of and therefore the headquarters of "The Church of the Firstborn" is located in Rexburg, Idaho....the "head office" is a cell in the Freemont County Jail!
I was in the original professional cast of Saturday's warrior. I'm no longer a member of the church , But the other day a page from one of Chad's books was posted -by you I think Lauren-And I couldn't believe it. The last four lines on the page were copied right out of the music/lyrics score of Saturday's Warrior. Plagiarism, as good as it gets! From the song, "The Circle of our Love". You may not know the musical, but it was quite a phenomenon in the '70s. I couldn't help notice, because I'd sung that song a thousand times. (I took a screenshot of it).
Thank you so much Anna...everything you shared with us is confirming many of our research and hypothesis. Thank you to have also shared this sweet Tammy with us too. I can't wait to hear the rest of your testimony. xxx
It's my understanding that in order to have a near death experience you need to actually,you know, ALMOST DIE. That's how it went for me anyway. Chad Daybell is foul.
Right?! 🤣 I actually died on an operating table (during emergency surgery to fix a hemorrhage), documented by doctors & equipment. Chad... had a painful belly flop and got some water in his nose? Give me a break.
Full disclosure...ex-Mormon here. Left as a teen. Anna seems so sincere, honest and genuine. It just strikes me that it's a smaller step from LDS tenets such as food storage and secret knowledge which makes them Saints and special to going to the next step and now being the special of the special. Pride really is universal. I sure do agree with that and kudos to Amy for the self awareness.
I have to commend Anna on her humility. The vulnerability she displayed showed true sincerity. What was disappointing was to learn that Chad‘s kids are, in fact, drinking the Kool-Aid. Looking forward to part two! On a separate note - perhaps everybody who subscribes to the channel and/or Patreon should put the money together for a flight and we can get Julie Rowe to do a Q&A…😆 Hoping the Matthias family is well.
@@vickiesibley1340 I’m not sure what you mean. Being a RUclips subscriber is free. HTC makes additional content available on the paid subscription platform, Patreon. Julie Rowe charges a bunch of money for nonsense (if only she’d take her meds…). But, nobody has charged me any money that I didn’t actively seek out to pay. HTC isn’t like that, and Julie Rowe is likely terrified of Lauren, as she seeks out any exposure possible but repeatedly declines the opportunity to have Lauren interview her. Mine was more of a tongue-in-cheek remark, in response to Anna’s family paying for Julie Rowe’s airfare, providing her accommodations, and providing (however many) bodyguards.
@@vickiesibley1340 There is no charge for subscribing to a youtube channel. You really should correct your comment, so as not to put HTC viewers from subscribing to this excellent channel. You certainly wouldn't want to mislead people.
@@mbd6054 I was asking in a statement kind of way I am not a very tech savvy person I was genuinely curious if they charged to subscribe I don't know and don't care to know any more computer shit
@@mbd6054 another question what is HTC I had no intention of misleading people I genuinely was curious and why should what I said stop anyone from subscribing? And how do u think u know what I want?
Chad doesn't have brains,it's so evil that for a good sex,destroy his family and became a killer,now the people must understand how many years ,were talking with the devil. Keep reading the Bible, erase from your mind the evil of the books of Chad .be smart and pray for sanity of your soul.
Bankruptcy, substandard clothes/shoes, financial hardship... but by God, they were probably still tithing 10% of whatever they had to the Billionaire church complex that absolutely does NOT need their money. It's disgusting and predatory.
Dave Ramsey who is not a member of this church says tithing is good for you. It helps you to be frugal and learn how to save money and think of other people besides yourself. I know this is true. You don’t give to support a church. You give for your own benefit.
@@c.l.888 I know several people who believe in and practice the law of tithing. For example a friend has a You Tube channel and she donates 10% of what she earns to charities surrounding childhood hunger....other friends support the Humane Societies.....I donate to The Sheldrick Wildlife Trust and HERD because elephants bring so much joy to my life....so yeah I agree tithing is a good thing, it just doesn't have to go to a multi billion dollar church/corporation!
Ya know I grew up in Boulder Colorado and we have so many spiritual groups that do things like crystal healings and mind reading, dream analysis. I think what caused issues for these people is that their own church is so against going outside the taught doctrines, which is why people have been so reluctant to talk about these meetings. Then you have these two people who met at these events and planned such evil things. However, murder, greed and lust were really what was pushing this ship to the dark side. It was not about crystals or dream analysis it was about lust, greed and murder.
Absolutely fascinating interview. I'm on the edge of my seat at parts that concern Tammy and their children. Knowing little too nothing about their lives living with mad Chad, it's extremely interesting. I feel such sorrow for how this impacted Tammy and their children. Tammy paid the ultimate price for Chad's passion's, but her life was worth so much more. I hope Mad Chad pays with his life, either by forfeit or confinement. Rest in peace sweet, precious Tammy 💗
Yep, fear of death.That this is all there is. Folks always want more. A redo. Doing the "smart" thing, that others not in the know can think to do. Give me all your money to save your immortal soul. You can't take it with you...
I didn’t know that, everyone has been pointing towards David Warwick via Melanie! Does this mean she released it in AVOW before mainstream or it escaped?
@@marionrosannaanna4590 I'd give ANYTHING to know exactly WHAT Warlock thinks of his precious 'bridezilla sweet melanoma" wifey now days...wondering WHY they SPLIT the sheets so soon after their wedding. I swear, those culties sure make the rounds with their loins'a'fire...honestly, I'm embarrassed AND ashamed I believed Miss Gibberish was a chaste and wholesome truth teller...and I bought her BS lies of how her and David weren't bumping uglies like worldly folks'n' horny animals....but then she spills the beans about her and Warlock sharing the holy mattresses moaning hours after their "Holy-Smatterings" podcast...Then I did more reading and learned about how GOD lead her out of her last marriage, leaving behind 4 devastated boys, one w special needs ALL bcuz SHE had special needs too...sickening...I don't understand HOW any mother, especially one having close relationship with God who HATES, DESPISES, divorce unless is for abuse...we know THAT wasn't the case and Melanoma Gibberish just wanted a change of venue! Sorta like changing undies...just do it!...and do your OWN thang!
Thank you so much, Lauren, for this insightful interview with Anna. She seems like such a straightforward person, who can illuminate parts of this story in such an important way. I felt for Tammy in the anecdote about her worn shoes, and was flabbergasted by Chad taking over the combined family night with his "visions." And had to laugh at Julie Rowe not having much food storage of her own after all that hoopla.
Yes...Thank You because the People I trust who are rooted in this like myself are looking backwards as well. Backwards in time to understand how Those Who Murdered Got to That Place. IMO As Always
The best!! First and only channel I’ve ever been a member to! They truly deserve it for all of the time Lauren spent sitting on a court bench thru both of these trials, and the interviews she has done, and having a forensic psychologist to chime in and try to explain all of the craziness going on in the minds of Chad and Lori, and how Chad was able to convince others that he could actually protect or remove protection, and all of his other powers, it’s always easier when you’re on the outside, looking in. I personally wonder if Manson took over Chads body! He needed to complete his mission to the DP 🤔
Anna is so right about the pride aspect of falling into heresy and fringe belief systems. It is also the one characteristic of conspiracy theorists that is constant through every conspiracy theory…flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, 9-11 truthers- all feel they are special because they know “facts” the general public ( sometimes referred to as sheep) don’t know or are too stupid to believe. It also took a good deal of humility for Anna to see that she had fallen into the sin of pride and even more to share it with us. Thank you.
No, actually the "sheeple" are those who believe the narratives propagated just for them by those who seek to control and dominate. No matter who does it. And your blanket term "conspiracy theorists" shows a lack of understanding for people with critical thinking skills. Your conflation of such broad subjects and the assumption that people who study them are automatically wrong is arrogant and presumptuous on your part. So much for humility. Or intelligence. Good luck with that.
There are worse sins. However, the narcissist Chad and Julie Rowe know intuitively that people in general want to feel special. Everyone who works in the ad industry knows that. That’s part of their manipulation of the masses to buy, buy, buy.
@@jdr9419 have to disagree with one point-the sin of pride through narcissism is what led to all of this murder. Lori’s two dead exes, her two dead children, and her dead brother, as well as Tammy and the neighbor guy (I’m counting the ‘pulmonary embolism deaths-because when half the folks you know die from one cause like that, it’s sus) are all dead because Chud and Lousi have huge egos and pride. ✌️
As a longtime member of AVOW and as someone who met Julie a handful of times I want to be absolutely clear about Julie’s motivation about bodyguards: it was “sex.” All of these people were extremely horny. They were also extremely LDS. They sought intimacy in whatever way they felt was justifiable. This intimacy often was as awkward and dumb like being a bodyguard for Julie. The split happened not because of Chad and Lori’s visions but because Lori convinced everyone that they were being dumb and should just go ahead and have sex rather than settling for a shoulder rub from Julie or whatever.
Oh My GOd. for sane logical people, this is a red flag. seriosly. I listen to the bodyguard story, i was like.. REALLY!!?? like who on earth fall for this scam. It is so clear cut obvious sexual harrassment. Gosh!
So sad for Tammy. She wasn't important to Chad. She worked to take care of the things a family needs to survive while Chad decides to do what he wants regardless of his wife or children. MidLife crisis. How embarrassing for Tammy in a small and very Mormon town to have her husband do the very least to build a solid home and future for Tammy/kids 😪🤮
I'm sorry I don't wish to up set anyone but my opinion of Julie Rowe isn't a very good one. When they first came out looking for the children Julie started to surround herself in this case. First she was a good friend of Chad's and she has said in her own words that she herself saw Tammy dying at an early age from a car accident and their own way she said she told that to Chad, I feel like she is the one who planted that bug in Chad's ear, now on dateline she says Chad was saying that and she totally detached herself from ever saying it and agreeing with it Red Flags for me ! She also said that Chad had also told her that they were married in a past life . Now she dogs him like it's all Chad and never her ! Also I never heard of her until the news broke out and now she wants to surround herself around this case I think her only reason is that she's trying to make money off of the death of JJ Tammy and Tylee , in short I think of her as a lying con artist, out there to get fame from this diabolical cult and she is no better than the rest of them. In short I think she's a piece of dirt !
I think they adored their mom and still do. Hopefully they will come around. It will be so painful to find out what their dear old dad is really made of.
@@Laura-ch7fl They must be living on another planet when two children where dug up on their land and now evidence that their mother was murdered and daddy dearest married two weeks after their poor mothers death.
I thought Tammy had the most loving heart ❤️ and gorgeous smile. Chad had been blessed with Tammy by his side.🙏🏻 Like too many men mid-life, Chad gave away the golden treasure in his life… for an empty vault. 😞☹️😒
Anna, thank you so much for sharing your story. It’s so important that those like you are helping us understand how we got here. By speaking out, despite your own fear, shows your support for the victims and their families!
Chad’s decision to describe his life changing experience as “his veil being torn” 😂😂😂 kills me EVERY TIME!!!!! Super random but so funny to me…. Like someone taking a massive sh** 💩, walking out the bathroom 🚽 and exclaiming “that was a doozy, I’m pretty sure my veil is torn after that one”. 😂😂😂😂 Chads a puss. You can tell.
You know he’s a complete wuss when you hear his “near death experience” 😂 jumps off a cliff… nearly died. Hit by a “rogue wave” near death!! How did anyone buy this garbage?!?
I truly hope Anna knows how appreciated she is for giving this interview. It cannot be easy! So thank you Anna! Do you think that she would or could come on a do a live Q&A? Or the Girl on Fire?
I was sucked in to JR’s books too. My family book club started buying all these supplies and tents and getting ready, some went wayyyy overboard after reading all these books. I listened to her podcasts and when she started saying not even our prophet knew what she knew I ran from it FAST!
@@sunnylilme This is late, but this is a mormon sub group (AVOW), so when they say prophet, they're referring to the president of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. The president is also believed to be the prophet of God here on earth. There are also apostles and a quorum of seventy men who lead in various capacities. When the current president/prophet dies he's succeeded by one of the current apostles who takes his place. Much of these teachings aren't supported bchurchy the mainstream mormon . The food supply is supported, as church members are encouraged to have the means to be self sufficient in a crisis situation, but these camp visions that Julie Rowe was preaching that she saw were not. She was essentially saying that she was being given visions that the prophet of the church was not, which was basically setting herself above their head honcho, which was a no-no. I'm not sure if she was excommunicated, but these types of things were definitely kept hush from the legitimate leaders of the church. A group that encouraged and helped people collaborate and share info about food storage would be fine, but a woman claiming to have visions that their prophet had not seen and Chad and his whole claim that he was a prophet who could see people that were 'dark' and became zombies were not mainstream teaching. I think most of that wackiness was kept from this group. These requests, like what Anna was speaking about (to deed over property to Julie), were affinity fraud. The original members of the church did have a more communal setup, where they shared resources while they built a church. Even now the prophet/president of the mormon church controls vast funds and property that have been given to the church in the form of tithing paid by members. Julie was essentially setting herself up as an alternative prophetess. It's amazing to me that it took something this crazy to make some people realize it's shady AF but hearing her talk, I can sort of understand how initially it was innocent interest, but slowly the cuckoos started emerging. For the most part, members of the mainstream church are very good people that want to do good in the world. Unfortunately, that desire to be good, helpful people, and being generally trusting make them targets. Utah has one of the highest rates of affinity fraud in the country. Sorry, I didn't mean to write so much.
@@mel720 I can relate to the naive thing. I was raised sda. Always sda private school, and boarding academy. I'd never known a non sda till I was 18. I was like a 14 year old Disney princess, a lamb at the slaughter. It's not healthy to raise kids like that, it makes them weak, vulnerable, submissive. Is that why all the girls in loris orbit have baby talk voices, blonde, stepford wives? Makes more sense. Ty
@@sunnylilme Yes, absolutely it leads to a dangerous naivete. When you mention Disney princess, that is a very real thing. Mainstream mormon girls are expected to get married "in the temple," which is closed to members generally until they either: for girls, get married, which is conducted in a mormon temple to a closed temple worthy audience, in which they take out "endowments" just before the marriage ceremony, which essentially is a secretive (they say sacred) ceremony different from what most people think if as a marriage ceremony. The temple session they participate in prior is when they begin wearing "garments" (the long mormon underwear) under their clothes. For men, they usually either do their endowments before their church mission (that they serve at age 18), or when they marry. The most devout Mormons kind of expect their sons, if not their daughters, to serve a mission. For most girls, the temple marriage is the first time they're exposed to the temple ceremony, which, if you've seen pictures of mormon weddings, the temple picture is highly valued. The bride is in her princess (wedding) dress and the temple looms in the background like the castle. Because people don't talk about what happens in the temple, girls have such a build up about the day without really knowing what the ceremony entails. Many are left feeling confused. Young mormons put such a huge focus on the temple marriage that I think it's fair to say a lot rush into the marriage (many marry within months of meeting), yet temple marriage means you're eternally married. I've had many friends struggle when they realize they've married someone they hardly know and now they have to make it work, or they've failed their earthly purpose. Over my lifetime things have relaxed quite a bit, but the undercurrents are there and if you're devout you believe and I've seen so much inherent guilt as a result. The mainstream mormon church has a modern outer appearance, and in fact a lot of the women get plastic surgery to fit an ideal. The schism that happened in 1930 created the offshoot fundamentalists. They still practice polygamy. They're the ones you may have seen in prairie dresses and braids. They do talk in whispery voices and were in the media a lot when Warren Jeffs was wanted and captured by the FBI. Those women are cut off from modern society and live in a VERY patriarchal society where wives and children are treated as property and if a man crosses their prophet they have their entire family taken away and reassigned to a "worthy" man. Mainstream mormons don't support most of the fundamentalist practices (anymore) and as Utah becomes more socially diverse the church struggles to be seen as a modern mainstream church while still exerting control over its members. It's been interesting to experience. I'm glad that you have grown past your upbringing. I hope you know that you're not bad for questioning and growing beyond. Personally, I think strict religions are a control mechanism and it's hard to fully shake off the shackles and not have recurring guilt, or a voice in your head that questions. Sometimes it's hard to separate intent of the individual from the constricting teachings of an institution. I try when encountering members that want to judge. Usually their heart is in the right place, but they're viewing it through a lens we don't share. Just my 2 cents. Which I realize is more like a dime, lol.
I appreciate your vulnerable admission about feeling prideful! It's a difficult thing to do, especially on a large platform like this. I can understand feeling not only special but also relieved to be part of something that would protect you and your family in the worst case scenarios. Whether someone is LDS or any other faith, or no faith, we live in scary times, and I think it's natural for all of us to feel uneasy about the future.
Coming from Europe, it's very difficult to understand the 'pride' issue. If I sincerely believed in an imminent threat to my community, I would get together with my neighbours and friends, and do everything in my power to protect everyone possible from that threat. It would never occur to me to look after my own family only, and leave everyone else to their fate. If I did abandon my community, I would feel deep shame, not pride in being special. Is this where cult thinking reverses normal instincts? Or is it simply a matter of differing philosophies?
@@mbd6054 No, I think you're spot on, which was precisely the point of the admission of her shame in feeling as though she was somehow more special than others, since she was given such information and made to feel as though she had been "chosen." It's true that if we all knew trouble was coming, we would do everything in our power to protect our immediate family and those around us, including our neighbors, community, etc. The pride issue didn't come from our natural desire to protect those we love and those around us, it came from placing someone on a pedestal (by believing Julie Rowe, et al, was more important and more spiritual, etc), and allowing that person to manipulate you by convincing you that you are special and needed and part of "the inner circle," so to speak. Julie Rowe, and others like her, are able to scam and manipulate people into willingly giving them money, land, other valuables (or their unquestioning service, as was the case with Alex Cox for Lori, and eventually Chad, even to the point of murder), by honing in on the human's natural desire to feel special, or more important than others. They prey on the ego of others. It has much less to do with our natural desire to protect, and far more to do with our desire to feel important and better than others, i.e., pride. (This happens a lot with teenage girls, also. Just watch the movie "Mean Girls," and you'll find a perfect example of childish manipulation and gaslighting. The entire Vallow/Daybell inner group resembled nothing other than a clique of 8th grade girls, in my opinion.)
@@cherietillapaughhott1012 Cherie, thank you so much for your really interesting and excellent reply to my question. You have clarified a great deal for me. Indeed then, Anna is to be congratulated in having the courage and honesty to give her interview. The manner in which good people were drawn in and exploited by these truly vicious sociopaths, is deeply disturbing, and a warning to us all to beware of our allegiences, and to question those who seek influence over our lives. Thanks again, Cherie. I really appreciate your explanation. Keep well.
One more thing I married into the LDS and my step Mother is also LDS ( Mormon) my daughter was blessed Mormon and my experience with them has been nothing but Love and great memories. Every sense this case has broken out I find myself constantly standing up for the Mormon religion . Just because you have crazy people spinning a doomsday cult out of this, in my opinion are hurting the real LDS and what they really stand for and their true Faith in Jesus. Please who ever is reading this please don't judge the LDS church of latter Day saints for Jesus Christ the church is not these people !! They are good loving family orientated Church and they are big on taking care of the Temple which is your body, they watch what they eat and put into their bodies. A lot of them don't smoke, drink don't do drugs and they very much Love and honor Jesus Christ and family. You could meet a missionary and they welcome you with open arms even if it's not the church for you you will make life-long friends out of the real and I express real Church of latter-day saints
@@HiddenTrueCrime Hey I have to stand up for what I feel is Right . I didn't go to Mormon route but people that I love dearly are Mormon and ever since this case broke out people are coming to me and putting them down bad and it just isn't true so yeah I have to stand up for what's right
They seem kinda mean to me. They don't like gay people. They horde money. They are Republicans. They don't believe in saving the planet from climate change. They make women get married young. No thanks.
@@salishseas everything you said is false and stereotype. No, I was not forced to get married young. I was 24 and chose to get married. I know many democrats in my faith. I have friends who are gay and guess what , I love them for who they are. I could go on. We are all God’s children.
Great interview Lauren. Much thanks to Anna for sharing what she experienced and knows about Avow. *Is it too much to ask organized, Christian religions to stop telling their parishioners that they will live to see the “second coming” or “the end times?” This would do much to alleviate many of the real difficulties we as a species are facing. Would be better if religions emphasized the need to be care-takers of their fellow human beings and the planet we live on.
Fastest 54 minutes ..these ppl are bonkers..not that lady..and omg. Poor Tammy.. she probably bought nothing for herself ..probably always put everyone's needs before hers.. and Chad killed his wife for some evil lunatic.. they are all lunatics in this story .Julie row is bat#hit.
I honestly do not understand how anyone can believe any of the nonsense a human purports to have gleaned from an all-knowing being. If this all-knowing being were real, who in the eff would want to spend eternity with this arrogant child killer? Blows my mind.
Just because you have dreams and visions, doesn't mean you should use them to your advantage. It should humble you- not make you arrogant and manipulative.
Wow listening to her it makes sense how people gradually fall into this. Like anybody. Not just crazy people fell for it. And it makes us see how it happened. Thank you so much for sharing
Lori and Julie are crazy. I really thought only crazy people would by into their brand. But you're right, they weren't crazy at all. I can see now how they were eased into it by church people they trusted.
Sorry.... normal people do not “ fall into” this. If you have ANY sense of self or minimal introspection and critical thinking, you’d laugh at this nonsense. It’s ironic these people have a narcissistic sense of superiority yet are brainless and needy enough to swallow any of this insanity.
It is 21st century and people are believing in the idea that the world coming to an end and by buying 1 year supply they would be saved by God. Apart from being irrational how selfish is that?
If terrible times happen, wouldn’t it be hard for real Christians to not share with other Christian neighbors, church members, and family? All this hoarding and “single-unit survival plans” seem un-Christian and selfish to me.
Mainstream LDS believe in sharing with neighbors. Our humanitarian efforts worldwide feed, clothe, shelter and educate people around the globe every day.
I want to know about Julie Rowe and her ribbon twirling? I saw it and could not stop LAUGHING!! I was embarrassed for her, and I’m not LDS!!! What a KOOK!!!
Wow. This was great, Lauren. Can’t wait for part two. The cult like mindset was always a factor, like Julie understood how to prime people at every level around her. Fascinating. But. The last minutes about Garth were most impactful knowing what we have seen on TV, that the kids deny every single thing about their dad’s reality thinking he is a prophet. (Which also lent me to think Tammy believed it too. 😞)
As a Humanist who doesn’t hide under the guise of religion, it boggles my mind how these folks can get sucked in to following and believing this crap . Not sure if Jim Bakker is still doing it but he was peddling end of the world survivor kits. Entertaining story though.
When I was in high school in Utah in the 70s I studied the Mormons at length. LDS was never far me. The women were 100 yrs behind. They wore long Little House on the Prairie dresses with all the kids in tow. Wives couldn't go ANYWHERE without the kids. Men were in charge, no debating that.
The Mormon Church has a long history of racism as well. People with darker skin are considered lesser and sinners. If a dark skinned person was blessed or baptized their skin color would lighten because all of the sin they had was making their skin dark 😳😒. Only light skinned people could be considered “Delightsome” it’s disgusting what was written into their “bible”
Julie was collecting for "safe houses" for trafficked children. You'll never know if she's spending the money where she says because they're "safe houses". The locations can't be disclosed. Get it?
I'm stunned and speechless that anyone could believe this unbelievable tripe, you have food so ull get into this place and ull be saved, i think psychiatrists wouldn't go astray, i don't want to be unkind but is this woman operating on average intelligence,
Great interview! I am always thinking of the legal aspect of this case and praying these people don't get away with MURDER. I truly hope the prosecution is compiling a stack of sworn statements from people who Chad told his books were non-fiction. John Prior is definitely going to play the fiction card.
Anna, I appreciated how forthright you were in telling this story. It feels as though you and your husband have taken a hard look at your own involvement in AVOW, and the motives of the Speaker/Authors who were participating in what began as a innocuous group who would discuss preparation in -the-end-of-times. Your humilty is telling as you explain how this organization took form . Im looking forward for the second part, in this most important interview to date.
Not saying I believe all of this but when I was five, living in NZ, I followed my older sister and brother and my brothers friend, to this abandoned work site and we all climbed up a 30 feet ladder to a little lookout box, they all went back down and I wan too scared, then they said they were going to leave me, so I started climbing down and on the 2nd to top rung of the ladder, I fell but was immediately up in the trees watching myself fall! I was rescued by 2 men that were working on the site for the first time in 15 years! My sister held my head up to prevent me from choking on my own blood, was taken to the hospital and was pronounced dead, I was brought back and had to learn to talk and walk again. But something strange happened !
American exceptionlism, Mormon exceptionlism , Awos exceptionlism. Julie Rowe exceptionlism. Think about it. Julie Rowe is just following in the footsteps of Joseph Smith with his golden plates, 3 dollar bills and multiple wives, body guards and grift. My macaroni is almost ready and I plan to make it a saint and put it on top of my temple
Please tell Anna that I find her fascinating and I love the way she tells a story. I was riveted and can’t wait until the next part of the interview. I mean you could probably tell by the way you didn’t even have to ask that many questions. She seems like a really nice lady and at the end of it all I could think was I bet she’s really glad now that her son and daughter didn’t marry Garth and Emma. Lol I think this is one of your best interviews so far. I mean there have been others where we have found out some jaw dropping information but this one is fascinating just because it gives us so much background information. And also like I said, Anna is very good at telling a story. Thanks!!
How do these people, become so insecure in them selves , that they start following these cults . Do they forget the ten commandments. ? Thier is only one God . Amen
Just some general feedback for anyone. When you talk, don’t end your sentences with “right?” It sounds manipulative. You have more credibility by letting people have their space to decide if they agree with you or not. Not by you assuming they agree with everything you’re saying by ending your sentences with “right?” all the time.
I left AVOW when the guy who went by the pseudonym Coyboy was ousted by Parrett. That was a very long time ago, but clearly not much has changed over there. It’s kind of embarrassing. Christopher still sends out his “highlights” emails, the latest panic items and doom and gloom he’s trying to use to drag people back in. The last one was literally copy and pasted from TheDrudgeReport. All the same stories in all the same order. I remember some poor lady over there saying how she’d sold her wedding rings to buy food storage, and her husband was so hurt over that. It’s just sick and wrong. Plus Parrett used to read people’s private messages (there’s a not-so private messaging function at AVOW). He’s the king of the full-scrub. He can make any detractor disappear off the forum at any time, along with every post they ever did. He removes all competition and criticism. There was a lot of revisionist history happening there after Chad started to look guilty. In a couple years, those poor subscribers will not even remember what went on.
Wow, it's even more toxic and inward looking than previously thought. Thanks for sharing, what stops others, why isn't this destructive nonsense outed and discussed in the open. Breeding ground for future catastrophe, pain suffering and tragedy in real time not some fanciful future. If only one thing is learnt from the child and adult deaths in the Daybell debacle it must be to speak up when you know or feel something is wrong or rotten,. Speech can save lifes and this is the real work God put us on the this earth to do. Too much of this darkness is driven by personal greed.
Sounds like their belief of having eternal life/salvation is based solely on one's food storage which boils down to financial abilities and not based on a personal relationship with Jesus....what a SLAP on our Dear Saviors Face...that we don't need His sacrifices made for each one of us and our Salvation/Eternal LIFE depends on SELF...the amount of food we have stored.
Why can't they see HOW WRONG these teachings are....is NOT WHAT the Holy Scriptures teach. And cans of corn, veggies, sack of beans, rice, flour is what gets you into Heaven and what took place on the cross, Jesus ultimate sacrifice is worthless....but these people are so blinded by Satan's deceptive powers that there's no WAY for them to return to the TRUTH as they may have crossed over the point of no RETURN...unless they STOP and repent w a contrite and humble HEART...but we don't SEE ANY of THEM repenting or being humble...instead are FULL of pride, SELF appointments as THE LEADER that others must obey and worship them.
We too got caught up in END TIMES trauma drama...we emptied our wallets almost left us financially ruined bcuz we were convinced that time was too short AND was OUR DUTY to HELP save as many people as possible...we gave our time, resources and every ounce of energy instead of just enjoying life itself...my son and other family members got ignored as I was too busy with our "godly" duties of spreading the scary, terrifying warnings of WHAT was about to happen.
Many nights, I'd weep and sob my heart out, unable to sleep as I worried about soon to come "The END TIMES and the Time of Trouble"
Our lives were totally focused of the impending doom... Deadly earthquakes, fires, pandemics and financial ruin....i was so terribly unhappy I contemplated ending my life because I was too afraid of what was about to take place...
I secretly despised my faith and my view of God wasn't any better..He was a mean and most cruel entity to be feared by ALL BCUZ if we didn't GET ready, God would torture and punish us AND THEN we'd burn in HELL.
We were young mid 20s, invested and saved wisely, owned a beautiful home on several acres, a hilltop w most beautiful view. It was east San Diego County always hot and I wanted an inground swimming pool as well as beautiful refurbishing for our fabulous home..but because of OUR crazy End Time beliefs we sold that home, my dream home..and moved further out in country...instead of getting nice furniture, we got used stuff, sold the nicer things..my son a gifted music prodigy did not get the grand piano he'd begged for, instead we got an old upright clunker piano and used the money on END TIMES ...
This was mid 70s, almost half century ago and we became disillusioned, discouraged that we gave up on our faith thinking why bother? We look BACK and FEEL the painfully obvious of foolishness we'd learned believed....the financial loss is heartbreaking....but we're ok...the leaders of this belief benifited from our giving while they enjoys THINGS we only dreamed of having...it took us years to go back to church..now fully engaged..but RECENT writings in the church publications alarmed us....END TIMES, GLOBAL PANDEMIC, VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS, EARTHQUAKES, FORCED VACCINES, LOSS OF OUR RIGHTS, CIVIL UNRESTRAINED, MARSHALL LAW...FOR SURE IS END TIMES.....sigh....yawn yawn..am I cynical? Angry? Bittet? You bet! I think these prepper and AVOW people WILL one day wake the HELL up and come to their senses and conclusions that THIS belief is SELF SERVING and WILL see Chad and Lori as nothing more than 2 horny murderers who lead them far out in the thicket and abandoned them all when they see the TRAIL and they're sitting in prison cage locked up until they're dead..then WHO WILL they turn to as their new gawd?
Melanoma Gibberish? Maybe so but there's a few others who aren't as CRAZY and WILL beat her off her white throne! 🚽 and toss her jeweled 👑 in the PET cemetery along w a dead raccoon!
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags Don't punish yourself, these are skilled manipulators with both self interest and the silent complicity of the Church of the Latter Days Saints. You have come into the real light of God, your future with Him will be happy and secure. Thank you for having the courage to share, it will help others currently betrayed and misled by dark forces currently still at work in the Western States of the US. IMO.
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags wow Zelda Zelda thank you for sharing your story and personal experiences...
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags hugs to you. The one priceless treasure we must have is Jesus Christ and His salvation. He is Love, and His presence is worth much more than any earthly things we may have or lose.. I'm sure that those who knowingly mislead and take advantage of His children will stand judgement before His throne.. I'm so glad that you know this. ❤
Thank you for letting the interviewee speak without being interrupted.
So many youtubers interrupt constantly. You don't.
It seems like Chad noticed that Julie was becoming popular, and gaining a following, and getting rich, so he decided to start saying his books were true in the hopes that he too could become popular and rich.
BINGO!
Chad has demonstrated he has a deficit in original thinking.
That seems to be what happened
Wonder how many of these people would have followed Jim Jones , if he were alive ,and drink the cool aid to their death ?😢
Yes.
Chad Daybell disgusts me. My heart breaks for Tammy.She did everything for her family for all those years.
And he killed her ( or planned to do so ) to live the good life with Lorie and the money of Tammys life insurance policy.
What kind of a person does that?! 😞😢
An 😈 evil, prideful monster who lusts for money and a fake azz goddess! A man who is so full of 💩💩💩, he doesn't believe a word of the crapp that comes out of his mouth! A demon posessed "zombie"!!! That's who!
@@iffyangel3380 That's so true! What an evil,ruthless monster he is.😒
What kind of person does that? A man and woman with a bad case of spiritual neuroses and powerful All consuming loin fire. Narcissistic. Selfish.
Ruthless psychopaths.
Cults always want you to donate land and houses plus a certain percentage of your paychecks then as control goes up they demand more of your resources
When will Julie Rowe build up the courage to allow Lauren and Dr. John (akaBabe) to interview her?
If she has nothing to hide or be ashamed of then an interview should be no problem right?
Mad respect for Anna!
If you look at her RUclips channel people have been extremely rude to her , I think she was very upset on one of her shows , she really believes in this and folks were calling her crazy ,I am sure she was hurt. Maybe that’s why she only goes with her body guards..
@@blazefairchild465 I watched some of her videos last night and you're correct people were brutally mean....
She Julie has a tiktok page...
Julie has mental problems, and I really don't think she will go over well with the general public. I also don't think she needs any more focus, there are still a lot of people she could influence. One would be too many.!
Shady people think they can snow any interviewer. If she’s smart enough she won’t agree to an interview if she isn’t 100% invested in her own truth.
In the words of P.T.Barnum, "there's a sucker born every minute."
This question is for Anna:
Based upon the totality of your experience with both Julie Rowe, Chad Daybell, AVOW and any other LDS prepper group....do you think that Julie knows that she's a fraud, is she aware that she's lying compulsively and taking advantage of people's fears....taking advantage of people with weaker minds and people who've been beat up by life?
Do you, and I'm just asking for your opinion as I know that you can only speak for yourself, do you believe that Chad is aware of what a fraud he is?
I think while Chad was waiting in his truck while ghe FBI, and police were searching his property; the enormity of what she and he had done hit him! That's why he started stuttering and couldn't tell Lori that she could call him later! Anybody that was getting dark, has anyone checked to see if they had recently increased life insurance? Did they think they were not going to be caught, or they seriously thought God waz going to protect them??
IMO When you make up near death experiences and saying that you have seen God. I feel they all know that they are making up BS to proclaim they are a profit and take peoples money. I honestly believe that God will take care of julie rowe and let the entire world see her for who she really is!
Of course he does!
No way! He believes too highly of himself!
Hell yes he is aware !
That makes so much sense now. Chad and Lori were both money hungry, and this just proves it. Chad saw Julie making a fortune and decided he'd get in on that, meanwhile Lori had a well-off hubby with life insurance. Greed wins over everything. Even family 😔
I thought this all along.Greed is a way for Karma to take you down.
It's all about greed it's all about greed and money you need to take the basic stupid religious thing and realize these people were duped there's no end of the world there's no Doomsday you live life there's no out to that so just live your best life
I agree. Chad did not die during his accidents, so they're not NDE's. I don't believe he's had prophecies or visions. His books are horribly written.
The funny thing is that Lori and Chad would've killed each other after a year of marriage because of their greed.
Oh my God. I'm listening in May 2024. I am so broken-hearted for Tammy .
Tammy wearing her “Sunday best” just breaks my heart. I’m listening on May 25 2024.
The world is broken-hearted for Tammy.
I'm trying to listen but this woman is so all over the place it's tough...
@Leesaloves WE know chad never had a full time job.
He was a sexton it wouldn't have paid much.
He was an opportunist that preyed on women.
And far too many stupid women believed him
It really goes to say that Chad was nothing without Tammy...He wasn't a good writer ,no imagination and had to make it up to have his books sold...Lori always seem to have everything,beautiful homes,holidays away, no shortage of money. Lori would have got so fed up of Chad if they had stayed together and got rid of him also.. Chad Daybell is such a weak sinister individual and both himself and Lori are psychopaths and serial killers....Justice for all the innocent victims. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪 💚💜💙💜💙💜
Not true Lori lived above her means she filed for bankruptcy 2 times I think I know at least once. She was a hair stylist she didn't have money and she killed her cash cow. She thought she was getting his life insurance. Little did she know he is smart and noticed and reported that she was going crazy and changed her as a beneficiary. Charles had the money and she left Charles for Chad. Your right about her getting over Chad quickly she would have been out of there but then again she is a nut case so who knows.
I wish no one had been killed so chad and Lori could have spent their miserable lives together because they totally deserved each other. Charles and Tammy were far too good for these human monsters.
@@kathydevries6513 Agree Kathy, hopefully they will both get exactly what they deserve the DP, and while waiting for that, they will remain locked in their cages until that day....Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
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Well said
My mind is blown. I've been a member all my life. I'm old enough to be a grandma. I never heard any of this insanity until the whole missing kids situation was on the news a few years ago. And I've learned some more since. But this interview taught me a lot. Maybe I've been living under a rock because I didn't know what AVOW was, and still really don't except for what's in this interview. I hadn't heard of Chad or Julie or about of these people before the news reports. I did have a friend recommend the book visions of glory so i ordered it on audible. But I've never listened to it. I just now remembered about it because she had said it was about a near death experience so this triggered my memory. I don't think I'll be listening to it. Maybe it has nothing to do with this but I don't even care. It's all so weird. These people are crazy. And I'm a believer in food storage. But this is nuts. I've been listening to the trial because I'm a true crime fan and wow, there aren't even words. I can't believe these people. 🤯🤯🤯
Then why do you believe in all that nonsense? Those beliefs are insane and nonsense. Get a real life.
Sadly it had everything to do with it. When you set out to get rich by claiming you are special or better than others in the eyes of God, it is evil and it spreads like oil on water. So folks drink that greasy water and some of them (like Chad) copy the idea.
I am also a True Crime lover!
I heard too much about this!
A co worker tried to give my the book, Visions of Glory! She tried to put the book in my hands, I put my hands behind my back. Something told me No! It was too off beat for me and I am a Mormon!
You didn't get drug into it, because you're not a crazy fringe weirdo! You're a good soul! ♥️
I love this lady's interview so much. She's so self-aware and able understand her imperfections, evaluate and then correct it. That's really admirable because that's hard for a lot of people.
Once again my mind is blown by all the new people you interview, Lauren! Every detail was riveting. I can’t wait for Part 2! All my love to you and Dr Babe (harhar).
Agreed, we are fortunate to hear such a broad but very detailed narrative of Chad and Lori's exploits, through the eyes of the people around them at that time.
Lauren and Dr. John have done an outstanding job! Can't wait for part 2!! 😊
This was fascinating. Based on the information that comes out in this interview, it seems that for years Chad was writing “end-times” books and saying they were fiction. During those years his books weren’t making much money, and he and Tammy had serious money problems, including a bankruptcy. He then began publishing Julie Rowe’s books, which she claims contain non-fiction predictions of the “end-times.” Her books became very popular and sold a lot, which made money for Chad since he was Julie Rowe’s publisher. Additionally, the popularity of Julie Rowe’s books led to her doing several well-attended (and expensive) speaking engagements, where she made a lot of money. Chad could now see two ways that he could increase his own income: 1) write books about the “end-times” and claim that they contain your “true” visions of upcoming events. 2) Once you’ve created some “buzz” and interest in your books, use that as a jumping off point to do speaking engagements where you can charge people to hear you speak about your supposed visions. The fact that Chad suddenly started telling people that his fiction books were really non-fiction visions, dreams and predictions of the future, just when he saw Julie Rowe making a lot of money doing the same thing….this leads to the conclusion that he probably saw the monetary opportunities in scamming people by exploiting their desire for spiritual knowledge. What a con artist. Additionally, he and Julie Rowe followed a very similar playbook as they both continued their scam…they both groomed people who seemed particularly easy to manipulate, and they would eventually go to those people and ask for money, favors, etc….in exchange for being told by Chad or Julie that they were “special and chosen.” In the police interviews I’ve seen with Chad/Lori’s followers, their followers seem to fall into 2 categories: 1) So many of them seem emotionally very immature for being in their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s. They really seem to be operating at the level of about a teenager, and are very easily manipulated; very needy for validation and someone to “tell them what to do.” It is a kind of deep immaturity and irresponsibility to allow yourself (as fully an adult) to just be told what to do without engaging in any critical thinking or analysis of the merits of what you’re being told to do. These people just swallowed whole everything Chad/Lori would tell them, without challenging any of the strange, dangerous things they were being told. 2) A small number of the police interviewees actually seem intelligent and a bit more mature, but their downfall is that they were seeking for deeper and deeper meaning in their religious study and worship, to the point where they eventually “looked beyond the mark,” as the scriptures call it. The simple, sweet truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ were not “enough” for them, and they ended up going into strange pseudo-doctrinal estuaries and paths which took them further and further away from the actual teachings of the church. Over and over again the LDS church’s leaders have begged the members to “stay in the mainstream of the church.” In every interview I’ve heard so far from those who are/were followers or fans of Chad, Lori, Julie Rowe, AVOW, Preparing A People…those who are part of these groups and affiliations were involved in beliefs and practices that are not taught in the LDS church. They’re looking for something more, or beyond the teachings of the church, (looking beyond the mark), and in doing so they open themselves up to being deceived.
Spot on!
I noticed that Julie won't say how much $$ her "seminar" is for unless you sign up- all the way sign up to the point of giving your credit card no.
That was so we'll stated.I have followed this from beginning & I have same take on this mess.I was sickened by J Rowe scamming people .What does she do now?
This was a fascinating comment!! Incredibly well-written and thought out. 🤙🏽
What she said about Tammy not being able to afford shoes broke my heart
@@michalhaddadlevy965 she was not humiliating her, she was showing compassion to her in that situation
@@adamv4951 Really? 🙄
😢
@@michalhaddadlevy965 she wasn’t judging her, I feel as if it was heartfelt not humiliating Tammy, AT ALL, but genuine kind insight. So I disagree with your comment. Although you have a right to your opinion ❤
That's cuz her husband traveling trying to sell his books and trying pick up women in the way he only knew how too the slick dufus
Very interesting timing when Chad "reveled" his books were true rather than fiction. Saw Julies success and wanted the same level of public adulation. This woman is lucky her kids did not marry into that family!
Wow-I'm 46 years old and have been a member of the church living in Idaho and Utah for my entire life. Imagine my surprise when I heard of AVOW for the first time today, lol! No, I haven't been living under a rock, but my hubby and I graduated from BYUI (Ricks), we go to work every day, have raised a happy family, served in our church callings, and had a ton of fun doing it. I guess we just stuck to the middle of the road and it sounds like that was a good idea. This stuff is nuts😂
As an outsider. Nothing to do with LDS and not having grown up that way. These LDS people sound so incredibly gullible
I would say that the majority LDS people are not this gullible. It’s sad but it seem those that are extreme on the last days are the ones that make the news.
Dr. Babe and Lauren you are an adorable couple. I look forward to each and every video. One notable quote, "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.,"
Voltaire
Their beliefs are absurdities and actions are atrocities.
BRAVO Dr Babe and Lauren. BRAVO!
😄 Dr Babe . He's gonna giggle 😃
I suppose that one of Chad Daybell's predictions came to pass....the leader of and therefore the headquarters of "The Church of the Firstborn" is located in Rexburg, Idaho....the "head office" is a cell in the Freemont County Jail!
Dreams and visions don't make anything true. This is all bewildering
If you're LDS it makes your dreams and visions true.
I was in the original professional cast of Saturday's warrior. I'm no longer a member of the church , But the other day a page from one of Chad's books was posted -by you I think Lauren-And I couldn't believe it. The last four lines on the page were copied right out of the music/lyrics score of Saturday's Warrior. Plagiarism, as good as it gets!
From the song, "The Circle of our Love".
You may not know the musical, but it was quite a phenomenon in the '70s. I couldn't help notice, because I'd sung that song a thousand times. (I took a screenshot of it).
Omg!! Good for you!
I love Saturday's Warrior! It's cheesy but still my favorite. ❤
Thank you so much Anna...everything you shared with us is confirming many of our research and hypothesis.
Thank you to have also shared this sweet Tammy with us too.
I can't wait to hear the rest of your testimony. xxx
It's my understanding that in order to have a near death experience you need to actually,you know, ALMOST DIE.
That's how it went for me anyway. Chad Daybell is foul.
Right?! 🤣
I actually died on an operating table (during emergency surgery to fix a hemorrhage), documented by doctors & equipment.
Chad... had a painful belly flop and got some water in his nose? Give me a break.
Yeah, that seems to be a crucial missing component here.
@@tarajh That's exactly what I have when I hear his voice... A painful belly flop only it's BS that gets up my nose 🤣
All cults are foul.
Full disclosure...ex-Mormon here. Left as a teen. Anna seems so sincere, honest and genuine. It just strikes me that it's a smaller step from LDS tenets such as food storage and secret knowledge which makes them Saints and special to going to the next step and now being the special of the special. Pride really is universal. I sure do agree with that and kudos to Amy for the self awareness.
I have to commend Anna on her humility. The vulnerability she displayed showed true sincerity. What was disappointing was to learn that Chad‘s kids are, in fact, drinking the Kool-Aid. Looking forward to part two!
On a separate note - perhaps everybody who subscribes to the channel and/or Patreon should put the money together for a flight and we can get Julie Rowe to do a Q&A…😆
Hoping the Matthias family is well.
They charge u when u subscribe!?!? I had no clue for real
@@vickiesibley1340 I’m not sure what you mean. Being a RUclips subscriber is free. HTC makes additional content available on the paid subscription platform, Patreon. Julie Rowe charges a bunch of money for nonsense (if only she’d take her meds…). But, nobody has charged me any money that I didn’t actively seek out to pay. HTC isn’t like that, and Julie Rowe is likely terrified of Lauren, as she seeks out any exposure possible but repeatedly declines the opportunity to have Lauren interview her. Mine was more of a tongue-in-cheek remark, in response to Anna’s family paying for Julie Rowe’s airfare, providing her accommodations, and providing (however many) bodyguards.
@@vickiesibley1340 There is no charge for subscribing to a youtube channel. You really should correct your comment, so as not to put HTC viewers from subscribing to this excellent channel. You certainly wouldn't want to mislead people.
@@mbd6054 I was asking in a statement kind of way I am not a very tech savvy person I was genuinely curious if they charged to subscribe I don't know and don't care to know any more computer shit
@@mbd6054 another question what is HTC I had no intention of misleading people I genuinely was curious and why should what I said stop anyone from subscribing? And how do u think u know what I want?
I think Lori thought she was marrying a famous author; and Chad thought he was marrying a rich and beautiful woman.
Absolutely spot on!
Chad doesn't have brains,it's so evil that for a good sex,destroy his family and became a killer,now the people must understand how many years ,were talking with the devil. Keep reading the Bible, erase from your mind the evil of the books of Chad .be smart and pray for sanity of your soul.
Same!!
Haha! Jokes on them! So the idiots resorted to murder, thinking they would have a ton of $$$ for the rest of their lives! 🚨 WRONG!
Bankruptcy, substandard clothes/shoes, financial hardship... but by God, they were probably still tithing 10% of whatever they had to the Billionaire church complex that absolutely does NOT need their money.
It's disgusting and predatory.
It's very sad....its abuse really.
Dave Ramsey who is not a member of this church says tithing is good for you. It helps you to be frugal and learn how to save money and think of other people besides yourself. I know this is true. You don’t give to support a church. You give for your own benefit.
@@c.l.888 I know several people who believe in and practice the law of tithing. For example a friend has a You Tube channel and she donates 10% of what she earns to charities surrounding childhood hunger....other friends support the Humane Societies.....I donate to The Sheldrick Wildlife Trust and HERD because elephants bring so much joy to my life....so yeah I agree tithing is a good thing, it just doesn't have to go to a multi billion dollar church/corporation!
That's why we donate to St. Jude Hospital.
@@c.l.888 The LDS church is worth 100 BILLION dollars.
Poor Garth has drunk the complete pitcher of Kool Aide. He will likely be a defence witness for Chad.
Honestly, how many “near death” experiences can someone have??
Thank you Anna for sharing your experience with Hidden True Crime!
Dr John and Lauren both of you did a wonderful job on Dateline! Congratulations 🎉
Ya know I grew up in Boulder Colorado and we have so many spiritual groups that do things like crystal healings and mind reading, dream analysis. I think what caused issues for these people is that their own church is so against going outside the taught doctrines, which is why people have been so reluctant to talk about these meetings. Then you have these two people who met at these events and planned such evil things. However, murder, greed and lust were really what was pushing this ship to the dark side. It was not about crystals or dream analysis it was about lust, greed and murder.
This!!! Cut thru the fluff, the root of this lust, greed and unwanted children. And it didnt help that Lori has some underlying mental illness
Love the content on this channel... It's got substance unlike so many gossip channels in here... Peace and love to y'all.
Thinking that you're the chosen one to me is completely the opposite of the humble Jesus.
Absolutely fascinating interview. I'm on the edge of my seat at parts that concern Tammy and their children. Knowing little too nothing about their lives living with mad Chad, it's extremely interesting. I feel such sorrow for how this impacted Tammy and their children. Tammy paid the ultimate price for Chad's passion's, but her life was worth so much more. I hope Mad Chad pays with his life, either by forfeit or confinement.
Rest in peace sweet, precious Tammy 💗
Why do people believe this crap? To live your life afraid & scared is plain stupid.I hope this case wakes people up!
Yep, fear of death.That this is all there is. Folks always want more. A redo. Doing the "smart" thing, that others not in the know can think to do. Give me all your money to save your immortal soul. You can't take it with you...
I'm so glad you were smart and got out!♥️👏
Interesting that Anna’s husband had be helping edit the books, but wasn’t compensated for the work.
Anna was the infamous reddit email author. Waiting to watch this live with everyone! Cheers to Hidden and all they do!
I didn’t know that, everyone has been pointing towards David Warwick via Melanie! Does this mean she released it in AVOW before mainstream or it escaped?
@@marionrosannaanna4590 I'd give ANYTHING to know exactly WHAT Warlock thinks of his precious 'bridezilla sweet melanoma" wifey now days...wondering WHY they SPLIT the sheets so soon after their wedding.
I swear, those culties sure make the rounds with their loins'a'fire...honestly, I'm embarrassed AND ashamed I believed Miss Gibberish was a chaste and wholesome truth teller...and I bought her BS lies of how her and David weren't bumping uglies like worldly folks'n' horny animals....but then she spills the beans about her and Warlock sharing the holy mattresses moaning hours after their "Holy-Smatterings" podcast...Then I did more reading and learned about how GOD lead her out of her last marriage, leaving behind 4 devastated boys, one w special needs ALL bcuz SHE had special needs too...sickening...I don't understand HOW any mother, especially one having close relationship with God who HATES, DESPISES, divorce unless is for abuse...we know THAT wasn't the case and Melanoma Gibberish just wanted a change of venue! Sorta like changing undies...just do it!...and do your OWN thang!
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags Melanoma Gibberish!!! hahahaha
@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags change of venue is my new phrase for people who just up n leave family for Loinfires n last. LOL 😆 u like gibberish 2
Anna was the infamous reddit email author.
Thank you so much, Lauren, for this insightful interview with Anna. She seems like such a straightforward person, who can illuminate parts of this story in such an important way. I felt for Tammy in the anecdote about her worn shoes, and was flabbergasted by Chad taking over the combined family night with his "visions." And had to laugh at Julie Rowe not having much food storage of her own after all that hoopla.
how can people be so gullible..
Mind-boggling isn't it?
These people who followed avow and Chad and Lori and Julie, etc. habe ro be some of the most insecure folks. I hope they start ro realize it.
Yes...Thank You because the People I trust who are rooted in this like myself are looking backwards as well. Backwards in time to understand how Those Who Murdered Got to That Place. IMO As Always
oOoOO Thanks for that snip clip preview Lauren! Thanks to this Gal for coming to tell her side to You and this community as well! Can't wait!
I hear you speaking of Julie asking for everyone’s contributions, including land! Julie is now building herself a home. Hmmm
Are all the people in UTAH this gullible
NO! I’m not! Thank you very much! I think AVOW is weird! Congratulations Anna for getting out!
There are NO prophets today. Read your BIBLE.
I LOVE this channel ❤. They have great interviews, etc. on the Vallow/Daybell case!!
ME too...
Same🦅☀️🦅👵🏽👋🏾
The best!! First and only channel I’ve ever been a member to! They truly deserve it for all of the time Lauren spent sitting on a court bench thru both of these trials, and the interviews she has done, and having a forensic psychologist to chime in and try to explain all of the craziness going on in the minds of Chad and Lori, and how Chad was able to convince others that he could actually protect or remove protection, and all of his other powers, it’s always easier when you’re on the outside, looking in. I personally wonder if Manson took over Chads body! He needed to complete his mission to the DP 🤔
A lot can change in 2 years.
Anna is so right about the pride aspect of falling into heresy and fringe belief systems. It is also the one characteristic of conspiracy theorists that is constant through every conspiracy theory…flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, 9-11 truthers- all feel they are special because they know “facts” the general public ( sometimes referred to as sheep) don’t know or are too stupid to believe. It also took a good deal of humility for Anna to see that she had fallen into the sin of pride and even more to share it with us. Thank you.
Including the cult drumpf followers.
No, actually the "sheeple" are those who believe the narratives propagated just for them by those who seek to control and dominate. No matter who does it. And your blanket term "conspiracy theorists" shows a lack of understanding for people with critical thinking skills. Your conflation of such broad subjects and the assumption that people who study them are automatically wrong is arrogant and presumptuous on your part. So much for humility. Or intelligence. Good luck with that.
There are worse sins. However, the narcissist Chad and Julie Rowe know intuitively that people in general want to feel special. Everyone who works in the ad industry knows that. That’s part of their manipulation of the masses to buy, buy, buy.
I think the vax belief is a false conspiracy.
@@jdr9419 have to disagree with one point-the sin of pride through narcissism is what led to all of this murder. Lori’s two dead exes, her two dead children, and her dead brother, as well as Tammy and the neighbor guy (I’m counting the ‘pulmonary embolism deaths-because when half the folks you know die from one cause like that, it’s sus) are all dead because Chud and Lousi have huge egos and pride. ✌️
As a longtime member of AVOW and as someone who met Julie a handful of times I want to be absolutely clear about Julie’s motivation about bodyguards: it was “sex.” All of these people were extremely horny. They were also extremely LDS. They sought intimacy in whatever way they felt was justifiable. This intimacy often was as awkward and dumb like being a bodyguard for Julie. The split happened not because of Chad and Lori’s visions but because Lori convinced everyone that they were being dumb and should just go ahead and have sex rather than settling for a shoulder rub from Julie or whatever.
Lol “ extremely horny and extremely LDS” 🤣, So as Lori, MG, MP, Zulima , DaBall 😂😂
Oh My GOd. for sane logical people, this is a red flag. seriosly. I listen to the bodyguard story, i was like.. REALLY!!?? like who on earth fall for this scam. It is so clear cut obvious sexual harrassment. Gosh!
I felt special in kindergarten when I had the big box of crayons 😂
So sad for Tammy. She wasn't important to Chad. She worked to take care of the things a family needs to survive while Chad decides to do what he wants regardless of his wife or children. MidLife crisis. How embarrassing for Tammy in a small and very Mormon town to have her husband do the very least to build a solid home and future for Tammy/kids 😪🤮
I'm sorry I don't wish to up set anyone but my opinion of Julie Rowe isn't a very good one. When they first came out looking for the children Julie started to surround herself in this case. First she was a good friend of Chad's and she has said in her own words that she herself saw Tammy dying at an early age from a car accident and their own way she said she told that to Chad, I feel like she is the one who planted that bug in Chad's ear, now on dateline she says Chad was saying that and she totally detached herself from ever saying it and agreeing with it Red Flags for me ! She also said that Chad had also told her that they were married in a past life . Now she dogs him like it's all Chad and never her !
Also I never heard of her until the news broke out and now she wants to surround herself around this case I think her only reason is that she's trying to make money off of the death of JJ Tammy and Tylee , in short I think of her as a lying con artist, out there to get fame from this diabolical cult and she is no better than the rest of them.
In short I think she's a piece of dirt !
My heart breaks for Tammy, but it makes me smile to think that she had the love of her children. RIP Tammy 🦋
I think they adored their mom and still do. Hopefully they will come around. It will be so painful to find out what their dear old dad is really made of.
@@Laura-ch7fl They must be living on another planet when two children where dug up on their land and now evidence that their mother was murdered and daddy dearest married two weeks after their poor mothers death.
@@letitiakearney2423 Yes. They are willingly blind.
I don't think she has the love of her children they are standing by there dad that is sad to me
I thought Tammy had the most loving heart ❤️ and gorgeous smile. Chad had been blessed with Tammy by his side.🙏🏻
Like too many men mid-life, Chad gave away the golden treasure in his life… for an empty vault.
😞☹️😒
Wow your doctor is LDS; teacher is LDS; therapist is LDS; dentist is LDS: lawyer is LDS; realtor is LDS.
Anyone else seeing a problem here??
Rexburg is apx 95% LDS.
Sugar City, Idaho is 94% LDS. (Bedroom community to Rexburg)
Anna, thank you so much for sharing your story. It’s so important that those like you are helping us understand how we got here. By speaking out, despite your own fear, shows your support for the victims and their families!
Omg deed over 5 acres to her? Wow! Thank goodness you didn’t . I think JR. needs investigated for scamming.
Seriously!!!
Chad’s decision to describe his life changing experience as “his veil being torn” 😂😂😂 kills me EVERY TIME!!!!! Super random but so funny to me…. Like someone taking a massive sh** 💩, walking out the bathroom 🚽 and exclaiming “that was a doozy, I’m pretty sure my veil is torn after that one”. 😂😂😂😂 Chads a puss. You can tell.
You know he’s a complete wuss when you hear his “near death experience” 😂 jumps off a cliff… nearly died. Hit by a “rogue wave” near death!! How did anyone buy this garbage?!?
His veil will be toreIn jail i hope
@@dorislaws8485 😂😂oh definitely. You know he’s gonna be some big dudes bi*** 😂😂😂
I truly hope Anna knows how appreciated she is for giving this interview. It cannot be easy! So thank you Anna! Do you think that she would or could come on a do a live Q&A? Or the Girl on Fire?
It’s a great idea. I’ll put this idea out there.
I was sucked in to JR’s books too. My family book club started buying all these supplies and tents and getting ready, some went wayyyy overboard after reading all these books. I listened to her podcasts and when she started saying not even our prophet knew what she knew I ran from it FAST!
Wow. Interesting. Who was the prophet she was talking about? Are you meaning Jesus didn't even know what she knew?
Dispicable!!!
@@sunnylilme This is late, but this is a mormon sub group (AVOW), so when they say prophet, they're referring to the president of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. The president is also believed to be the prophet of God here on earth. There are also apostles and a quorum of seventy men who lead in various capacities. When the current president/prophet dies he's succeeded by one of the current apostles who takes his place. Much of these teachings aren't supported bchurchy the mainstream mormon . The food supply is supported, as church members are encouraged to have the means to be self sufficient in a crisis situation, but these camp visions that Julie Rowe was preaching that she saw were not. She was essentially saying that she was being given visions that the prophet of the church was not, which was basically setting herself above their head honcho, which was a no-no. I'm not sure if she was excommunicated, but these types of things were definitely kept hush from the legitimate leaders of the church. A group that encouraged and helped people collaborate and share info about food storage would be fine, but a woman claiming to have visions that their prophet had not seen and Chad and his whole claim that he was a prophet who could see people that were 'dark' and became zombies were not mainstream teaching. I think most of that wackiness was kept from this group. These requests, like what Anna was speaking about (to deed over property to Julie), were affinity fraud. The original members of the church did have a more communal setup, where they shared resources while they built a church. Even now the prophet/president of the mormon church controls vast funds and property that have been given to the church in the form of tithing paid by members. Julie was essentially setting herself up as an alternative prophetess. It's amazing to me that it took something this crazy to make some people realize it's shady AF but hearing her talk, I can sort of understand how initially it was innocent interest, but slowly the cuckoos started emerging. For the most part, members of the mainstream church are very good people that want to do good in the world. Unfortunately, that desire to be good, helpful people, and being generally trusting make them targets. Utah has one of the highest rates of affinity fraud in the country. Sorry, I didn't mean to write so much.
@@mel720 I can relate to the naive thing. I was raised sda. Always sda private school, and boarding academy. I'd never known a non sda till I was 18. I was like a 14 year old Disney princess, a lamb at the slaughter. It's not healthy to raise kids like that, it makes them weak, vulnerable, submissive. Is that why all the girls in loris orbit have baby talk voices, blonde, stepford wives? Makes more sense. Ty
@@sunnylilme Yes, absolutely it leads to a dangerous naivete. When you mention Disney princess, that is a very real thing. Mainstream mormon girls are expected to get married "in the temple," which is closed to members generally until they either: for girls, get married, which is conducted in a mormon temple to a closed temple worthy audience, in which they take out "endowments" just before the marriage ceremony, which essentially is a secretive (they say sacred) ceremony different from what most people think if as a marriage ceremony. The temple session they participate in prior is when they begin wearing "garments" (the long mormon underwear) under their clothes. For men, they usually either do their endowments before their church mission (that they serve at age 18), or when they marry. The most devout Mormons kind of expect their sons, if not their daughters, to serve a mission. For most girls, the temple marriage is the first time they're exposed to the temple ceremony, which, if you've seen pictures of mormon weddings, the temple picture is highly valued. The bride is in her princess (wedding) dress and the temple looms in the background like the castle. Because people don't talk about what happens in the temple, girls have such a build up about the day without really knowing what the ceremony entails. Many are left feeling confused. Young mormons put such a huge focus on the temple marriage that I think it's fair to say a lot rush into the marriage (many marry within months of meeting), yet temple marriage means you're eternally married. I've had many friends struggle when they realize they've married someone they hardly know and now they have to make it work, or they've failed their earthly purpose. Over my lifetime things have relaxed quite a bit, but the undercurrents are there and if you're devout you believe and I've seen so much inherent guilt as a result. The mainstream mormon church has a modern outer appearance, and in fact a lot of the women get plastic surgery to fit an ideal. The schism that happened in 1930 created the offshoot fundamentalists. They still practice polygamy. They're the ones you may have seen in prairie dresses and braids. They do talk in whispery voices and were in the media a lot when Warren Jeffs was wanted and captured by the FBI. Those women are cut off from modern society and live in a VERY patriarchal society where wives and children are treated as property and if a man crosses their prophet they have their entire family taken away and reassigned to a "worthy" man. Mainstream mormons don't support most of the fundamentalist practices (anymore) and as Utah becomes more socially diverse the church struggles to be seen as a modern mainstream church while still exerting control over its members. It's been interesting to experience. I'm glad that you have grown past your upbringing. I hope you know that you're not bad for questioning and growing beyond. Personally, I think strict religions are a control mechanism and it's hard to fully shake off the shackles and not have recurring guilt, or a voice in your head that questions. Sometimes it's hard to separate intent of the individual from the constricting teachings of an institution. I try when encountering members that want to judge. Usually their heart is in the right place, but they're viewing it through a lens we don't share. Just my 2 cents. Which I realize is more like a dime, lol.
I appreciate your vulnerable admission about feeling prideful! It's a difficult thing to do, especially on a large platform like this. I can understand feeling not only special but also relieved to be part of something that would protect you and your family in the worst case scenarios. Whether someone is LDS or any other faith, or no faith, we live in scary times, and I think it's natural for all of us to feel uneasy about the future.
Coming from Europe, it's very difficult to understand the 'pride' issue. If I sincerely believed in an imminent threat to my community, I would get together with my neighbours and friends, and do everything in my power to protect everyone possible from that threat. It would never occur to me to look after my own family only, and leave everyone else to their fate. If I did abandon my community, I would feel deep shame, not pride in being special. Is this where cult thinking reverses normal instincts? Or is it simply a matter of differing philosophies?
@@mbd6054 No, I think you're spot on, which was precisely the point of the admission of her shame in feeling as though she was somehow more special than others, since she was given such information and made to feel as though she had been "chosen." It's true that if we all knew trouble was coming, we would do everything in our power to protect our immediate family and those around us, including our neighbors, community, etc. The pride issue didn't come from our natural desire to protect those we love and those around us, it came from placing someone on a pedestal (by believing Julie Rowe, et al, was more important and more spiritual, etc), and allowing that person to manipulate you by convincing you that you are special and needed and part of "the inner circle," so to speak. Julie Rowe, and others like her, are able to scam and manipulate people into willingly giving them money, land, other valuables (or their unquestioning service, as was the case with Alex Cox for Lori, and eventually Chad, even to the point of murder), by honing in on the human's natural desire to feel special, or more important than others. They prey on the ego of others. It has much less to do with our natural desire to protect, and far more to do with our desire to feel important and better than others, i.e., pride. (This happens a lot with teenage girls, also. Just watch the movie "Mean Girls," and you'll find a perfect example of childish manipulation and gaslighting. The entire Vallow/Daybell inner group resembled nothing other than a clique of 8th grade girls, in my opinion.)
@@cherietillapaughhott1012 Cherie, thank you so much for your really interesting and excellent reply to my question. You have clarified a great deal for me. Indeed then, Anna is to be congratulated in having the courage and honesty to give her interview. The manner in which good people were drawn in and exploited by these truly vicious sociopaths, is deeply disturbing, and a warning to us all to beware of our allegiences, and to question those who seek influence over our lives. Thanks again, Cherie. I really appreciate your explanation. Keep well.
One more thing I married into the LDS and my step Mother is also LDS ( Mormon) my daughter was blessed Mormon and my experience with them has been nothing but Love and great memories. Every sense this case has broken out I find myself constantly standing up for the Mormon religion . Just because you have crazy people spinning a doomsday cult out of this, in my opinion are hurting the real LDS and what they really stand for and their true Faith in Jesus. Please who ever is reading this please don't judge the LDS church of latter Day saints for Jesus Christ the church is not these people !!
They are good loving family orientated Church and they are big on taking care of the Temple which is your body, they watch what they eat and put into their bodies. A lot of them don't smoke, drink don't do drugs and they very much Love and honor Jesus Christ and family. You could meet a missionary and they welcome you with open arms even if it's not the church for you you will make life-long friends out of the real and I express real Church of latter-day saints
Thank you for sharing this. Anna is LDS. 💞
@@HiddenTrueCrime Hey I have to stand up for what I feel is Right . I didn't go to Mormon route but people that I love dearly are Mormon and ever since this case broke out people are coming to me and putting them down bad and it just isn't true so yeah I have to stand up for what's right
They seem kinda mean to me. They don't like gay people. They horde money. They are Republicans. They don't believe in saving the planet from climate change. They make women get married young. No thanks.
@@salishseas everything you said is false and stereotype. No, I was not forced to get married young. I was 24 and chose to get married. I know many democrats in my faith. I have friends who are gay and guess what , I love them for who they are. I could go on. We are all God’s children.
LDS is just another cult. It controls your entire life. It’s a cult.
Great interview Lauren. Much thanks to Anna for sharing what she experienced and knows about Avow.
*Is it too much to ask organized, Christian religions to stop telling their parishioners that they will live to see the “second coming” or “the end times?” This would do much to alleviate many of the real difficulties we as a species are facing. Would be better if religions emphasized the need to be care-takers of their fellow human beings and the planet we live on.
100%.
You are correct!
Why dont you found your own religion then?
Amen
How many rabbit holes can one fall down.
Fastest 54 minutes ..these ppl are bonkers..not that lady..and omg. Poor Tammy.. she probably bought nothing for herself ..probably always put everyone's needs before hers.. and Chad killed his wife for some evil lunatic.. they are all lunatics in this story .Julie row is bat#hit.
I honestly do not understand how anyone can believe any of the nonsense a human purports to have gleaned from an all-knowing being. If this all-knowing being were real, who in the eff would want to spend eternity with this arrogant child killer? Blows my mind.
I would love Dr. John to do a show on why are Mormon's so gullible.
I think Lauren is LDS, I think all religious people are
@@gjh9299 maybe but with Mormons, you have the MLMs.
@@gjh9299Not all LDS PEOPLE ARE GULLIBLE! Most have their heads on straight and do well. Make a modest living. Etc.
Just because you have dreams and visions, doesn't mean you should use them to your advantage. It should humble you- not make you arrogant and manipulative.
The trouble with believing in fantastical things is, that you don’t know where to stop. Fact based information can be checked.
Wow listening to her it makes sense how people gradually fall into this. Like anybody. Not just crazy people fell for it. And it makes us see how it happened. Thank you so much for sharing
Not crazy, just gullible.
Lori and Julie are crazy. I really thought only crazy people would by into their brand. But you're right, they weren't crazy at all. I can see now how they were eased into it by church people they trusted.
Sorry.... normal people do not “ fall into” this. If you have ANY sense of self or minimal introspection and critical thinking, you’d laugh at this nonsense. It’s ironic these people have a narcissistic sense of superiority yet are brainless and needy enough to swallow any of this insanity.
It is 21st century and people are believing in the idea that the world coming to an end and by buying 1 year supply they would be saved by God. Apart from being irrational how selfish is that?
It's brainwashing
If terrible times happen, wouldn’t it be hard for real Christians to not share with other Christian neighbors, church members, and family? All this hoarding and “single-unit survival plans” seem un-Christian and selfish to me.
Agreed. The prepping you need to do is in your soul. God will provide worldly needs during the second coming.
Mainstream LDS believe in sharing with neighbors. Our humanitarian efforts worldwide feed, clothe, shelter and educate people around the globe every day.
Blows my mind how seemingly intelligent people fall for this utter BS
I want to know about Julie Rowe and her ribbon twirling? I saw it and could not stop LAUGHING!! I was embarrassed for her, and I’m not LDS!!! What a KOOK!!!
It sounds like Julie Rowe thought she was JLo! Six bodyguards! 😆
Wow. This was great, Lauren. Can’t wait for part two.
The cult like mindset was always a factor, like Julie understood how to prime people at every level around her. Fascinating. But. The last minutes about Garth were most impactful knowing what we have seen on TV, that the kids deny every single thing about their dad’s reality thinking he is a prophet. (Which also lent me to think Tammy believed it too. 😞)
"Beware of false prophets"!
As a Humanist who doesn’t hide under the guise of religion, it boggles my mind how these folks can get sucked in to following and believing this crap . Not sure if Jim Bakker is still doing it but he was peddling end of the world survivor kits. Entertaining story though.
I thank God I never got sucked into religion.
The capacity for self-delusion is not limited to the religious.
These people need better hobbies.
I'm so confused about the visions and predictions. I thought the bible says only god can know the future?? Does LDS not follow the bible?
No they don't. Like Muslims they only believe God's word the Bible when it benefits their beliefs.
Yes! We study the Bible. Although personally, I’m not well versed in it.
When I was in high school in Utah in the 70s I studied the Mormons at length. LDS was never far me. The women were 100 yrs behind. They wore long Little House on the Prairie dresses with all the kids in tow. Wives couldn't go ANYWHERE without the kids. Men were in charge, no debating that.
The Mormon Church has a long history of racism as well. People with darker skin are considered lesser and sinners. If a dark skinned person was blessed or baptized their skin color would lighten because all of the sin they had was making their skin dark 😳😒. Only light skinned people could be considered “Delightsome” it’s disgusting what was written into their “bible”
Julie was collecting for "safe houses" for trafficked children. You'll never know if she's spending the money where she says because they're "safe houses". The locations can't be disclosed.
Get it?
Beware of False PROFITS!
I'm stunned and speechless that anyone could believe this unbelievable tripe, you have food so ull get into this place and ull be saved, i think psychiatrists wouldn't go astray, i don't want to be unkind but is this woman operating on average intelligence,
It’s so sad that Julie Rowe used these people with deep religious beliefs for her own gain
These people who followed avow and Chad and Lori and Julie, etc. habe ro be some of the most insecure folks. I hope they start ro realize it.
Wow do any of these Mormons just watch a sitcom now and then?
Great interview! I am always thinking of the legal aspect of this case and praying these people don't get away with MURDER. I truly hope the prosecution is compiling a stack of sworn statements from people who Chad told his books were non-fiction. John Prior is definitely going to play the fiction card.
Anna, I appreciated how forthright you were in telling this story. It feels as though you and your husband have taken a hard look at your own involvement in AVOW, and the motives of the Speaker/Authors who were participating in what began as a innocuous group who would discuss preparation in -the-end-of-times. Your humilty is telling as you explain how this organization took form . Im looking forward for the second part, in this most important interview to date.
❤❤
Wow what a treat growing up with Julie or Chad as a parent, scaring you with all these doom stories. I would have been a wreck.
Not saying I believe all of this but when I was five, living in NZ, I followed my older sister and brother and my brothers friend, to this abandoned work site and we all climbed up a 30 feet ladder to a little lookout box, they all went back down and I wan too scared, then they said they were going to leave me, so I started climbing down and on the 2nd to top rung of the ladder, I fell but was immediately up in the trees watching myself fall! I was rescued by 2 men that were working on the site for the first time in 15 years! My sister held my head up to prevent me from choking on my own blood, was taken to the hospital and was pronounced dead, I was brought back and had to learn to talk and walk again. But something strange happened !
American exceptionlism, Mormon exceptionlism , Awos exceptionlism. Julie Rowe exceptionlism. Think about it. Julie Rowe is just following in the footsteps of Joseph Smith with his golden plates, 3 dollar bills and multiple wives, body guards and grift. My macaroni is almost ready and I plan to make it a saint and put it on top of my temple
The macaroni thing is the more logical than all this crap lol
BINGO
You people are so Gulliable
Please tell Anna that I find her fascinating and I love the way she tells a story. I was riveted and can’t wait until the next part of the interview. I mean you could probably tell by the way you didn’t even have to ask that many questions. She seems like a really nice lady and at the end of it all I could think was I bet she’s really glad now that her son and daughter didn’t marry Garth and Emma. Lol
I think this is one of your best interviews so far. I mean there have been others where we have found out some jaw dropping information but this one is fascinating just because it gives us so much background information. And also like I said, Anna is very good at telling a story. Thanks!!
She may be “nice” but she’s also weak-minded and gullible. To subject children to such dangerous cults is criminal.
How do these people, become so insecure in them selves , that they start following these cults . Do they forget the ten commandments. ? Thier is only one God . Amen
I never knew that there are so many willfully fools in America..
Just some general feedback for anyone. When you talk, don’t end your sentences with “right?” It sounds manipulative. You have more credibility by letting people have their space to decide if they agree with you or not. Not by you assuming they agree with everything you’re saying by ending your sentences with “right?” all the time.
As a religion aren’t we taught to have no fear?
Yeah😅 food storage how naive do you have to be.
Chad had all this money, but couldn’t buy Tammy some new shoes.
Couldn't =Wouldn't because he was selfish pig who thought he was the only one who "deserved" new clothes and shoes.