HIDDEN HOUR: LIVE Q & A with ANNA. Ex-AVOW MEMBER, Friend of Chad Daybell, Julie Rowe, and others
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For those asking about Anna’s version of the “infamous Reddit/zombie email” instagram.com/p/CWUKzhEP0oA/?
I have a former brother in law that has a similar demeanor to Chad. He portrayed himself as a very humble guy, but in reality he was a narcissist. A name given to this is Covert Narcissist. He was in a bishopric and you would constantly hear people saying "he is So Humble!" He dressed like Chad because he thought it was vain to wear nice clothes. He had Chads awkward demeanor. He had extreme LDS beliefs and thought he was more righteous because of it. The ugly truth was he was a terrible husband and father. He was so strict and manipulative with the gospel that his Wife and Kids had no confidence. Eventually his wife got feed up and divorced him. When they separated he lashed out at the kids. He was charged with child abuse. After seeing my brother in law and watching Chad Daybells drama unfold, I have become wary of these soft spoken members, that come across as very humble, and are extreme in their observance of church rules. They can be a wolf in sheeps clothing!
Here's another term for a Chad Daybell type: Uriah Heep.
How awful. So sorry about your father ended up being so drastic. However, that type of personality exists across the board in all religions. Narcissistic
My mother was raised in the LDS religion. She married my father who was catholic. She became a catholic and raised all us kids in the catholic religion. My mother interpreted dreams, and was very superstitious, which we were raised on. My father went along with this behavior but I've never heard any of this at catholic teaching. When my father passed away my mother took us to the LDS religion. I struggled relating to their teachings and beliefs. Years later by my questioning religion and searching to make sense of all these religions l finally realized that i was not going to beat myself up about religion. My worst fights was over religion with family members. I was given a brain to think, eyes to see and nerves to feel. Anything beyond that is irrelevant. I'm a mother of five wonderful human beings with lives of their own. Non of them are in a religion but do have a belief in a higher power. Life is hard enough why go looking for trouble.
Well said!
In my mind, what a lot of this comes down to - a saying my mother always used: an idle mind is the the devil’s workshop. All these people seem privileged and bored. The Mormon housewives with their rich husbands and no jobs (or lazy Chad being supported by his unknowing wife). If all these people had to work full time jobs, or sometimes more than one job, I highly doubt they’d have time to sit around and think about ridding the world of zombies, having casting parties, energy work, having affairs, etc. Look at all these women- Lori, the Melani’s, Julie…. all bored with nothing better to do. Add in religious fanaticism and this is what you get.
Thanks for yet another great interview involving this crazy case! I can’t get enough!
No, we do Not need to respect everyone’s beliefs. I do not respect Chads and Lori’s beliefs, I do not respect Alex and Zulema’s beliefs, I do not respect Julie Rowes beliefs and all the other nuts that followed their teachings. I do not respect the beliefs of the IBLP group. Stand up, have a spine and use your brains, critical thinking has been thrown by the wayside. You don’t have to respect others beliefs.
I agree with you to a point. Respecting another person's belief as long as the belief respects Humanity, respects the rules of decency. Now to Julie Rowe. I do have experience with a very close relation who is Bi-Polar. Her behavior is exactly like that. I've read about people close to her and watched interviews of others. She is a classic Bi-Polar. Some of them are manic most of the time, even severley manic but rarely depressed and vice versa with serious periods of depression, while others are evenly split. This same behavior applies to Lori Vallow Daybell but not often severly manic who can turn, suddenly and become violent. Patty Duke was Bi-Polar and she allowed a movie about her life be produced, based on her book and her husband's input. At the time, her husband was John Aston, of The Adams Family.
Amen. What happened to merely tolerating beliefs? Now we have to respect and celebrate other’s beliefs. We all need to get back to having principles grounded in truth. There is still right and wrong. Morality exists.
I do not feel I need to respect people’s beliefs, however I resect their right to have them UNLESS their beliefs harm others. Then I will read them the riot act.
Car alarms went off at my mom's funeral...when a Harley went by
Exactly! People see visions after surgeries alot, it's called DRUGS. Ever see the videos of people coming out of anesthesia or nitrous after getting dental work done?
I believe, Melanie Gibb still believes this crap. I think she is one of the ones that doesn't talk about it, but, I believe, she still believes in Chad and Lori, too. I believe, Zulema still believes it, too.
100%. Melaniece too.
Chad didn't share his zombie light dark beliefs with Tammie or his kids because he knew she/they would see clear through his bull crap. Therefore I don't think Chad really believed it himself.
I agree Carolyn A. I think Chad simply seemed to be desperate for attention and to be estimed as important. Chad believes whatever gets Chad attention and positioning in his religious community. What are his children now thinking? How brainwashed were they or perhaps they weren’t fooled at all and are now deathly afraid of what really happened and keep silent. Wonder what Ann thinks.
I agree. I don't think he believed that crap. Now, only he knows if he had these dreams, so I don't even believe that, I think he just wanted to be important, and he wanted to be center of attention. He wanted to write books, because he saw that people, who wrote books, about this kind of thing, sold a lot of books, but he had no idea how to write. I don't think he believed any of it.
Excellent point! He knew Tammy was too intelligent to believe in his nonsense.
Great point! I’ve been trying to figure out if these crazies truly believed all that BS, but if they really did they would’ve been announcing it to the world. Not keeping closely guarded secrets.
@@corinnewinterrousset Agree. Lori, Alex, The Melanie's, Zulema and the few other cult members bought his BS. But you'll notice none of his kids were on the Zombie list or had past lives or even knew about zombies. Tammie only made the list when it was convenient for Chad to get rid of her.
It amazes me that people who read the Bible believe that the 144,000 are gentiles. Ther are the 12 tribes of Judah, of which 12,000 from each tribe are elected. Please read your Bible and ask Jesus for discernment, wisdom, and understanding of the scriptures. Verify everything man tells you with the word. If it doesn't line up, run!
It was said that Lori was trying to get Zulema and David Warwick together initially, so does that mean that Melanie and David were put together by Lori also? It seems that way. It also sounds like Chad and Lori were going to continue murdering people if they were saying spouses were going to die.??..Didn't know that Tammy and her five adult children were called zombies ??? Its amazing how mature people believed all these crazy teaching, and when you listen to 'whatever "over and over again" it's very possible you could dream about it...Its only a dream, nothing else...All this brainwashing and turning normal situations into something more is bizarre....I believe that there are So So many deluded, vulnerable people that will believe anything, and then their cynical people like myself ,that is skeptical about so much....Thankyou for this interview...Justice for Tylee, JJ, Charles, Tammy, and Joe 🇮🇪💚
I missed something. Who Is Joe?
@@catherinewinkeler8587 Joseph Ryan was Lories 3rd husband and Tylees father...Lori totally destroyed his reputation, saying he abused Tylees. There was no evidence found that he did this, and it was thought Lori influenced Tylee....In fact Joe got custody of Tylee....Lori made his life he'll ,moved to Hawaii...Beforehand, she has Alex, taser him, and he did time in Jail for it...Unfortunately Joseph Ryan was found dead in his bed some years later and his sister Annie wants to reopen his Case as its possible he was murdered also....Lori is a serial killer and narcissistic psychopath....Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
A thought for Lauren:
You asked if there's a connection between NDEs and visions. Here's my take on it. When one has an NDE, a lot of people report that the veil is a lot thinner. Hence, making people more prone to having visions after a near death event.
That being said, I feel like Chad Daybell and others may take advantage of claiming NDEs, and therefore making them more "credible" in sharing their visions. I highly doubt he has had these experiences.
When sharing these vulnerable and sacred experience, you will often have a captivated and solemn audience who will hang on to every word you say as truth. Chad totally took advantage of this.
I don't believe in ANY near death experiences. It's a hoax perpetrated by charlatans who want to exploit others.
Super gullible from the already gullible. That was Chad's fan base.
I was shocked to hear how many people like Summer Shiflet, Janis Cox, Melani Boudreaux Pawlowski, and even the Bishop in Chad's ward "had faith" and were "trying to stay positive" after the kids disappeared. No, I don't have faith when a mother won't say where her kids are and sits in jail instead. Both spouses died. They get married within a few weeks and everyone is convinced that things will turn out fine based on faith in Lori's track record as a mom? Lori protecting them? It was despicable in terms of expressing faith in a person. Everyone else knew at a bare minimum that the kids were at risk and under distress, held incommunicado because their mother is paranoid, or worse, that she was involved in their kidnapping or death.
Charlatans…it’s just so awful 😣✌️❤️🌎
I use that word to describe them too!
Your hair and makeup tonight looks fabulous.
She looks like a young beautiful Loretta Swit from Mash.
She said Mike S. Wife passed away in car accident... I wonder if Chad got his idea of saying he saw visions of Tammy dying in car crash from hearing Mike say it or writing it.. Just A thought...
Yeah. He was thinking of cutting the brake lines. But then he figured out a way to kill her and not lose the car.
Going back and watching this again now while watching Chads trial.. amazing how far and big you have become in just 2 years!! I’ve been here since the beginning. Love this channel
I had an NDE as a 7 year old child, due to terrible physical trauma. What happened to me was this: I left my body and floated up. I was looking down at the scene below. I saw the little injured girl. I observed the entire situation. BUT it was as if I was there as a neutral witness. I felt no remorse, compassion, or horror. I didn't feel as if what was happening was good or bad. No fear or anticipation. It was nothing other than complete and unquestioned acceptance of EVERYTHING. It was just being, and nothing more.
I don't remember how long my recovery period was. I didn't tell anyone I had left my body until I was well into my 30s.
Having experienced this myself, as a child with no prior knowledge of such a thing, and much reflection about it over the years, I tend to disbelieve any "fantastic" accounts of what others claim to have had.
Mine very similar at 5 floating above and looking down and then the sensation of coming back down to my body
This Lady is quite the whacko herself.. sorry...
🛡Julie Rowe is wrong… I was Joan of Arch in my past life. 🥴🤣 BTW I’m still enjoying your interviews, especially with this beautiful lady. Thank you. 🥰
Ps: I’m an old double spacer after the period… looks good to me 😘😂
Right there with ya! Old habits die hard, and it's just automatic!
Chad may just get to realize a REAL DEATH
I had a near death experience after 2 surgeries, didn,t make me think I was special or a prophet or a leader of the 144000
Because you're not a narcissist.
Exactly. You probably thought- wow, it wasn’t my time. God bless ya!
Think Chad borrowed other peoples stories for attention. Another scam artist.
There are alot of people that believe in storing food ahead . Its not just in people Religious beliefs. I cant afford to store food but if I could I would just in case their was power outages from storms ect. Just look how the price of food is going up now. I do think many people believe something bad is coming and they won't to be ready when it does . However their beliefs are not all for same reasons.
I’m not very religious and have always had food storage. We have insurance for everything under the sun. Why not insure our food supply? I think it’s foolish not to if you have the means.
Anna, you are an especially clear-headed, rational, strong woman. Congrats on seeing the truth of the bizarreness that you got into and finding the courage to get out. Good job.
Thanks to Anna for coming on again. She seems like really nice gal. Actually has a knack for podcasts. Good strong voice. I know she is Mormon but kinda reminds me of Irish gal.🍀💕🍀💕🍀
I had a near death experience from a drug overdose and experienced such a great feeling of love as I was told to save myself. From that time on my life improved. I haven't had any kind of detailed dreams and visions but do know that we don't need to fear death for it is a mere step into pure love....that's all.
Anna,
I haven't watched this "live" yet, but am SO very happy you came back! I have listened to your interviews over and OVER again, and each time I get more insight out of it that I had not noticed before. Thank you for your bravery and honesty. On a side note, I am SO GLAD you never deeded your land parcel to Julie. Glad you saw THAT coming for the audacity of that request was so alarming to me especially when there is no documentation of where the money, resources, assistance etc went and seemed to be nonexistent (my opinion only)
My cousins husband had a bad heart attack. His heart stopped for 4 minutes. He was revived but he as a devout Catholic thought he would experience a near death experience. There was nothing! He was shocked.. He saw and heard nothing at all!!
Scary
People can and do survive 4 minutes without a heartbeat. He probably didn’t have an NDE. He had no brain damage (since he told you his story). It wasn’t his time 🙂🙏.
Are you sure the big white trucks were not just going stealing everyone's food storage?
The idea that giant white semi trucks are going to pick you up as legit, while reincarnation and energy work is a bridge too far. I really do not understand at all
You get rid of false beliefs by renewing your mind with God's word
Well said!
Science, logic, & reason are far more effective against cultish beliefs & superstition than more superstition. 🙄
Great interview! Thank you Anna for being willing to be so honest and representing The Church in Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in a true and respectful way.
Sad I missed the live…Could Lori’s incompetence actually be because the drs believe her belief in all this shows incompetence? After all you would HAVE to be crazy to continue to believe this? Will she have to show she realizes this is evil to be declared competent? That will never happen
I don't think so, no. To be legally incompetent means you're unable to understand the charges against you & assist your attorney with your defense. It's a very specific legal definition, not a general description of one's mental state. People can believe some cRazY stuff and still be able to participate in their trial process.
Well when Charles brought this up & they done an evaluation she snapped out of it & wham bam perfectly normal! I still do not think either one of them believed this garbage it was about lust & money! I also think Chad would have been Lori's next victim had they not been caught! He had been hitting on alot of Wemen & I think he was seeing Julie Rowe that's why she started speaking out!
Since my NDE I no longer fear death. I just felt calm and peaceful. The brain is a wonderful thing.😊
Spoiler,Lori was found guilty and got 3 life sentences. She's now in Arizona for her and Chad's trial. Lori is still deep in belief of Chad. She has visits from her dead children and Tammy,her "good friend."
Who sings Tylee knew too much so Chad had to write her dark to eliminate her. JJ was revenge on time.
I've listened to his stuff he came off as a creepy fake! Appealing 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Anna, it is so great to hear you again!! Thank you for gracing us with your presence and fantastic insight. It’s clear that you are very intelligent and yet so down to earth. I’d love to hang out and have a great conversation! Thanks again!
Why isn't the LDS Church canceling AVOw & excommunicating everyone still attached to it? Likewise Preparing a People?
THIS IS THE BIG QUESTION!!
Please do not respect all beliefs. They are not all worthy of respect. Respect the *person* and respect beliefs that stand up to reason, reality and morality.
Melanie was giving a class when she met Lori. I'd say Melanie WAS the in crowd .
My neighbour and family are absolutely devout and gone nuts at the moment ..?????
When I hear people talk about near death experiences it makes me INSANE. I am an ICU nurse and a big portion of our population are people who have “survived” CPR after their heart stopped. News flash people, the majority of those who survive CPR either do not survive, or if they do they are profoundly neurologically damaged. They will never be able to do any of the things they enjoyed and if kept alive will be on a ventilator for the rest of their life or a very serious brain injury. It’s not like TV. It is horrific most of the time. Only about 40ish% of people who are resuscitated after CPR come out with good to MODERATE neuro outcomes. All of these folks are delusional and live in the land of make-believe.
Nobody holds a monopoly on good or evil. As Solzhenitsyn said so perfectly:
"The dividing line between good and evil cuts through the heart of every man."
She would have had to have known that multiple probation was a thing. Different Prophets taught this. Also, Adam was on another world before this one before he helped organize the Earth according to Mormon cosmology. Tammy most likely was taught this growing up.
No. It wasn't another life or probation. No the bible teaches we are born of spirit first. Adam lived with God in the Garden before he late the forbidden fruit and was cast out. So it wasn't his first probation.
So glad to hear from you again, Anna! Learned a lot from you this evening.
WOW, Anna is very real and captivating! I so much appreciate all three of these and her description of how difficult it is to let go of "beliefs" was extremely accurate and honest.
I think all these NDEs are mostly hallucinations due to heavy medication and(or) anesthysia durind and after surgery.
Or in Chad's case: the effects of a belly flop and getting water up your nose. 🤣
@@tarajh he's so dramatic🤣
This session truly touched my soul. Anna is amazing.
I was chocking on a piece of meat . I couldn't breathe. My husband did the Heimlich Maneuver 2 times,then I was up on the refrigerator watching us down below. It was very peaceful and I thought so this is what it's like to die. Very peaceful,not afraid, 26:28 detached. Suddenly,he did the Heimlich again & suddenly the meat flew out. I could feel the edges of the sink and my stomach and ribs hurt. I could breathe again. I didn't see a white light,or go to heaven,or saw beyond the veil . I think it's a function of the brain,protecting the person so one doesn't panic. When I could breathe again, I felt everything,sore throat,sore ribs, painful stomach from pressing against the sink. So.....
Sad how these people only claim NDE to make money. I believe people who have them but it is not wide spread as people claim.
You look lovely tonight Lauren. Thanks for responding to my email and helping me.
Wow first 😂 What a great interview
Is anyone else thinking this "camp"is nothing more than a concentration camp and they separate you from your supply of food!? And then ratio your supply of food to you!
I was always under the impression that the reason the mormons prepared food storage and supplies needed for at least a year was not just for an emergency for their personal family but for their local community needs. In case someone who was the family bread winner in their church became injured, ill or died, the people who had their storage could all pitch in and keep the family afloat until the suffering family could recover financially enough to get on their feet again. I always admired that about the Mormons. I never heard about it being some kind of supplies and tents to prepare for the second coming until this Chad Daybell - Lori Vallow crazy crap.
You had it right the first time. The rest is as fringe as chad day bell.
I met the Mormons in 1978 and they always prepped, even back then. It helped for many reasons. I learned a lot and it came in handy many times.
I learned that the year's supply of food was for the 2nd coming shortly after arriving in UT in 1984.
I learned they are call Latter Day Saints because they believe in the End Times, the later days . The food storage is for the end of days.
I was raised Mormon in the 1970's and 80's. We were told it was for the end times, which were right around the corner. Even then they had offshoots who said stuff like Lori and Chad. As soon as one group was banned another got started.
Thanks Anna for sharing with us. I don't believe in the patriarchal view of the LDS Church but I don't judge anyone's religious beliefs. To each their own. I think when this all came out and to think that they could still go to Temple made many people think it was LDS supported. That these people who killed family members and still had temple recommend was baffling to those not LDS.
My beliefs are reincarnation, energy work like reikis, that we all part of the source (God) and we can all practice manifestation, I believe that you can get messages from your soul family that helps you through your life. I believe in an eternal conciseness and that we are all one and connected……but my beliefs are about love, not death, money, greed and lust 🤷🏻♀️
She is fully competent. She is fully faking it to avoid facing the charges. Period.
If this were true don't you think that they would be talkin to you about it in your church and not this side group avow wouldn't the church be totally aware of it and wanting their congregation to know about it but no it comes from some side group called a vowel
Re. the car alarms, years ago I was at an holistic fair in N Ireland, it was in the lower ground floor of of an hotel. There were various clairvoyants there offering readings, and some energy therapists. Early on in the day the lights went out, firstly in the function room, then the whole hotel, followed by the entire electric in the hotel, as we left the function room I heard a staff member say to someone "this happened the last time there was an holistic fair here too". On top of this, the car alarms went of continuously throughout the day. At the time I felt uneasy about it, and the more years that have passed, the more I feel that it was a really bad omen, and I should of run for the hills.
Love all you do to help others, thank u
I never had visions, just the feeling and heard a voice telling me to call an ambulance for myself. I wasn't revived and I didn't go through the veil.
Many native American and First Nation tribes also believe in dreams and visions.
Let's face it. Anybody with FOMO can claim to have had a vision.
Why do you need food storage god says never want for nothing he will provide u with food..
The people that fell for Chads teaching sadly were insecure with tribulations in their lives..
Your experiences wernt real cuz mormonism isnt real
The lady you talked to the other day who drove truck with her husband seemed much more logical than this lady
Sorry I missed this live. Anna seems like such a lovely person and I commend her for being so humble and vulnerable, yet willing to share her insight and experiences. Many thanks to both of you ladies!
Lauren, I would like to find out how many aliases Chad and Lori used. I would also like to know how often Chad and Lori had prior 'mortal probations' where they didn't use alias names, but did talk about their connection or marriage to other people, living or dead in our time. Where would be a good place to look for these?
Lauren I really enjoy this podcast but please stop saying "Thank you for sharing that ", after the guest answers the question 99% of the time. She is here to answer questions.
It really was a lot in this one…
God bless you,Anna!
A question I'd like to ask: Chad only started writing about near death experiences until after Julie Rowe's books were a hit. He never mentioned a near death experience until the books....
Chad is a liar. He never had a NDE.....period. I'm not sure Julie ever really had one or not, but I can tell you this, if you want to become deceived, just become a follower of someone who is sharing sacred things outside their stewardship. Those who do that are quickly identified by lucifer as someone who will spread his lies and they begin receiving all kinds of deceptive spiritual experiences.....and......they share them. I believe Chad is a flat out liar, Julie may have had an experience, I don't know, but she shared it, got a following, got prideful because of it and down the dark path she went .Lori Vallow is a flat out liar as well. Be leary, very leary of anyone sharing sacred experiences outsid their own personal stewardship, which is their own family.
Speaking to food storage - when I was an LDS convert for a short time the church taught me that food storage was to be prepared for the unforeseen, like a job loss, etc, and to try to always have a minimum of 6 months worth. Never once were the “end times” mentioned. So it made good sense to me. Is it standard practice keeping this a secret so as not to frighten off a newbie?
No what you were taught is what food storage is for by LDS teachings. The Prepper movement is independent of LDS, many people of different faiths can be preppers. However, those with LDS background who subscribe to the prepper lifestyle, use food storage as their prepping.
No, the church teaches that food storage is for the unexpected life challenges that come like illness, job loss, etc. And you should have a 72 hour kit in the event of a natural disaster. There are some people that take it to extremes, and they are preparing for end times or other calamities. Lots of people are preppers and they are not UT all affiliated with the church. I had a neighbor who is an evangelical that believes in a zombie apocalypse and he was way into prepping. Very fringe and strange beliefs.
I think you're right! They know which beliefs to put up front for new converts and which ones to keep more hush cause they could be off-putting. It's the same all throughout the belief system - for instance you can learn the full truth about Joseph Smith and e.g. polygamy from official LDS documents, but you really have to go looking for it and they'd never tell you unless you ask straight up!
Well she got out of the extreme cult but doesn't seem to realize that the Mormon/LDS cult is not much better - based on the fiction of one man.
When did Chad declare his wife and kids as zombies? First time I’ve ever heard this.
I wonder how his kids feel about that? (They'll prob blame Alex)
I also have never heard this
It was in the redacted email on Reddit
I heard Melanie Gibb and David Warwick have already divorced.
I truly believe what you are saying about grace and respect for others beliefs, but there's a fine line. Not all beliefs are safe and of good intention., ie. cults are not safe.
Raymond Moody in his book Life after Life coined the term Near Death Experience. He was at the U of Virginia where psychologists, psychiatrists and medical doctors study this phenomenon scientifically. Documented cases.
Regarding Mike Stroud - I know quite a bit about what happened there. He was my seminary teacher, and my parents are close friends with him still, both of my parents are still active faithful members, and things are not quite as many people believe in that situation, nor is he actually associated with the daybells and julie rowe and such. I asked him directly. he said he was simply invited to speak at some of the same events, and rarely did them. I'm not someone associated with AVOW or any of these groups - in fact, I'm close friends with Suzanne Freeman, whom you've interviewed. She is how I found your channel.
Isn’t it expected that people would downplay their role or connection to Daybell, after this tragedy...? I’m not surprised.
@@soude85The gullibility is astonishing. A religion should not be so isolating.
No we shouldn’t “respect people’s beliefs”. You no longer respect the beliefs of these murderous people so let’s not pretend that we should respect other bad beliefs. Should we grant some grace to others? Yes absolutely -face to face in real life. But on the internet with strangers-let’s take some time to call out false beliefs and let’s get more people to question their own positions. I can respect a person’s humanity and how they have been led to false beliefs through no fault of their own necessarily but the belief itself? Hell no- I mean there are people who believed in child sacrifice. That is a false belief. And a bad belief! This interviewee Anna still holds beliefs that she should question but she refuses because it pushes too hard against her whole community. The Latter Day saints is on the whole a bunch of nice people-not any crazier than any other group. Most people do try hard to do the right things. But large organized religions all have corruption at their central cores and people should reject that. If Mormons could get beyond the peer pressure and admit the truth about how unfulfilling their temple experiences are and how awkward their sexual trauma made them-that’d be a big step forward. They are trying so hard to be pure in heart and motivated to do good that they ignore big red flags which should make them throw away their gullibility. And yes as far as prepping goes-fear is a huge motivator...but fear and excitement live right next to each other in the brain stem. The other thing that lives there is sex. And there should be a caution taught to teens about those things being easily confused and overlapped. Fear can turn to excitement and that to sex and fear overlaps sex in things like “what if we get caught?” moments which leads to more risky behavior which leads to fear and more excitement. But the fear can start with something non-sexual such as government overstep and economic collapse. The whole excitement about Near death experiences and the fear of the unknown about death obviously was added to these other fears at these conferences. Power is also exciting. It’s a great mixing pot of fears and excitements. Of course people are gonna have sexual feelings after all that. It is completely predictable. Smart con artists will ride that wave. Less attentive people will follow along. Skeptical people can avoid the trouble altogether. Be skeptical. Question all your assumptions. Question religion, question the core beliefs of religion. You can still choose to believe in a deity without the human corruptions of organized religion-that’s fine and I can respect you. I don’t have to respect these corrupt religions or beliefs and cannot.
Chad’s sister-in-law stated that he never said anything about seeing his grandfather or anything of that sort until he met Julie Rose and saw how much money she was making on her near death experiences. I have a tendency to believe that.
NDE. My thoughts. I really believe someone who is in the hospital or needing emergency help people do die. It’s flatlining. If that person mentioned an experience I would believe them. So many of the ones we hear about don’t happen in a medical facility.
She thinks Chad started out lying about it, and he said that lies so many times he halfway believes it
You can believe all these things and still be found competent. NOW THAT IS SCARY.
Fastasic show tonight! So insightful.
She has been found competent. I just started watching this channel very good info and guests. So today is April 30th Sat. I believe the trial starts in October. I'm not sure if her and Chad are going to sever their trials but she wanted to be called Mrs. Daybell in front of the judge this week.
What's "translated"?
Okay, I dream about people and events all the time. I’m a big dreamer ❤️. Never once did I think my dreams of “falling off a building in Legoland” or my husband “losing his face and frantically looking for it” were visions or prophecy. I’m pretty sure it’s because I stepped on a Lego (and it hurt like hell), and my husband didn’t shave yesterday. What is with these people? FYI-my husband has always had and still has his face 🤪😂.
I had an auntie who thought she was clairvoyant. Nothing she predicted ever came true but that didn't stop certain people from believing in her, including herself especially! To me, dealing w/the here and now is a full-time job that deserves my attention. Que sera sera.
It came out later in Chad's trial that Tammy told a friend at work shortly before her death that Chad told Tammy she was a zombie.
People are always looking for someone who knows the mysteries of heaven. Chad claimed to and Julie claimed to. It had nothing to do with charisma. They claimed to have hidden knowledge from God and people crave that. They worked upon peoples desire to be special....ie) their pride. They would stroke peoples ego by telling them they were this or that is past lives. They took advantage of peoples pride and ego. AVOW always talked about meat verses milk. The prideful there believe they are ready for meat when everyone else could only handle the milk. Those meat eaters are the ones falling for this stuff and I now seeing them falling away from the church left and right, because they have been deceived. If you want meat.....satan will give you all the meat you can eat.
Acts 2:17(Holy Bible). "And it shall come to pass in the last days," saith God, "I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and daughters shall prophecy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams."
About NDEs, I agree...sells books!
People please study the scriptures know who God really is so you can know false teaching when you hear it! God was never a human He's uncreated pre-existent and people will never ever ever be as He is.
My ex is a narcissist. Watching this trial has made me wonder just how many WTF events that happened in our married life could have been actions plan and motivated by him to pissibly cause chaos and long term irreversible changes in mine and our childrens lives. Trust me, I am in a unfavorable state as I brew about this.
I realky like what Anna said about we are all human and we all have different beliefs, yet not to look down on other people because of their beliefs. (I am paraphrasing what I took out of this interview.
My neighbours think am the devil
Girl on fires "Ex" husband? Did I hear that correctly? Interview I listened to here they had came out stronger
Does anyone have link to girl on fires videos, I'd love to listen to them
Great interview, thanks for coming back, Anna! Genuine question for everyone to consider: do you respect Chad and Lori's religious beliefs? I get the kumbaya at the end and I certainly believe in treating people with empathy. But my mind churns and churns on the idea of "respecting" all beliefs, even bad ones. And if you say, "well, of course not the bad ones", then I wonder, who decides? Who decides which beliefs are bad and which are ok? At what point do they tip on the scale from being unusual but harmless, to awful? How do we quantify these things? Because if i asked Chad, we'd prob disagree on whether his beliefs were bad or good or deserve respect. And I myself have believed things I now consider harmful and awful, and I would guess Anna feels the same about some of her former beliefs. I'd love to hear people's philosophies on how they deal with this conundrum.
I would amend it slightly to say that we need to respect people, but not necessarily their beliefs. If beliefs are harmful, it would be inconsistent for me to respect them. IfI believe they are harmful, I can’t simultaneously respect tbem .
This is where you need to listen to the still small voice inside
@@lynnpayne9519 but don't you think Chad believes he is listening to the Spirit? And don't you think Lori also prayed for confirmation and received it in the affirmative? And all the others in avow and preparing a people? If you can't differentiate the still small voice from a fraudulent voice, how does someone identify with certainty who they're "hearing"?
I actually have similar thoughts & concerns about the Catholic church. I was raised, as most Christian religions are, that their religion is the expression of what true followers of Christ should believe. Then you hear of hundreds of years of abuse of women and children, not only in the US but in Ireland with unwed mothers and you have a current church that continues to try to sweep all these transgressions under the rug. But if I got divorced I'm no longer able to take communion, but thousands of church hierarchy abuse, rape, and murder and they're just moved from parish to parish and the abuses are denied over and over again until there is undeniable proof and then it's let's pay a small 'restitution' and swear everybody to secrecy...but by gawd don't let two women marry and raise healthy happy children for it is a sin. Eff that BS. One thing I see, as a skeptical person, with LDS beliefs, where common folk can have visions and such, is this opens the way for a loooooooooot of gullibility making Chads and Loris rise to the status they achieved fairly easily.
@@purpleslurple5149 i think you've hit on the real question. The still (דמ) voice isn't some deep thought that pops into your head. It's actually an audible voice. You can hear it clearly, but it's as if someone whispered in your ear using only breath rather than vocal cords. There are a variety of spiritual gifts. I can't speak about all of them, but visions became my gift when I was young. I didn't ask for it and it certainly surprised me. Nothing I've heard from these people resembles the gifts of God. If they have called on spirits, it's most likely that evil spirits responded. The word "John" is from the Hebrew יענה and it is "the beginning of the response of God." It is experienced by those walking very close to Jesus. Sometimes he answers your questions.
Are there other people who still have and shared his beliefs? Heck yes, all his children!!
Anna is definitely one of our favorite guests
my favorite nutjob