LIVE Hidden Hour--LORI VALLOW POLICE INTERVIEW ANALYSIS WITH DR. JOHN, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST
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Dr. John Matthias is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with twenty-five years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He has performed over 500 forensic and psychological evaluations and risk assessments for the courts since 1996, assessing the risks for violent and sexual recidivism for both adults and juveniles. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and he has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. He is a certified court evaluator in several Western states, and he has forensic evaluation contracts with the federal government. He recently started a podcast, Hidden: A True Crime Podcast, with his journalist wife, Lauren, to present forensic psychology to a broad audience. The current season of the podcast explores the psychological dynamics behind the Vallow/Daybell case.
In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims of abuse and trauma, including with survivors of the Las Vegas shooting massacre in 2017. He also received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling from the University of Southern California and he has worked with hundreds of families, couples and children over the years. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work.
Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. He received his doctorate from the University of Southern California.
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It is so strange, that the detective(s) did not follow up either Alex or Lori’s statement to ask, ‘You killed Charles because you thought that, in his efforts to retrieve his phone from Lori, he posed a threat to you. Why didn’t you take the non-lethal, de-escalating option of giving him his phone back?’
In this case, the police are effectually condoning theft of property, followed by murder.
Weird also how the officers wouldn't wonder if they were erasing incriminating evidence off the phone-which she had no right to be holding or asking him what he was hiding(surely a lie anyway). According to Adam Cox, Charles planned to video tape the pick up since he was afraid of Lori. She had to explain why she had the phone-she was probably erasing their texts and the video.
That was the worst interrogation ever. Where in the world was that detective trained? Baffling that us non law enforcers had better questions and concerns than this actual detective. SMH.
@U. Synlig
I agree, it all seemed strange to me from the beginning. I've wondered if the initial law enforcement handlers were truly that incompetent or was there a method behind the ludicrous actions both done and not done. I've learned that it's not a very detailed or thought provoking process to graduate police academy, and many get through not even knowing current statutes, and especially lack knowledgeof constitutional rights. (I believe at some bare minimum there should be accurate and direct knowledge of people's rights as declared in the Constitution)
The majority of their learning focuses around self defensive techniques and safety for the officers.
And the police let them go home ! Like sounds like it was justified to me ! You can run from a bat but not a gun
It’s Arizona 16:08
Lori is so infernally cheerful throughout the interview that it lends credence to the idea that she is a complete psychopath.
Like all of you, I really look forward to Dr John’s analysis, it’s uncanny how spot on he is! We don’t have anybody out there like him doing podcasts!. I don’t know of a Forensic Psychologist doing this type of work on a platform like this. How cool would it be for all of us to be more educated on this stuff to the point we could actually avoid some of these tragedies? And Lauren does some of the best interviews I’ve ever seen, my husband calls her the “Journalist Whisperer”. 😂
One-Two punch TEAM! I love Hidden True Crime, I always walk away learning something, this is great work guys, TY!
Another thing about the damn phone-
Why in the hell did she (Lori) even care what was on Charles’ phone if she didn’t want to be married to him anymore and didn’t love him?
I’m shocked the investigator didn’t call her out on her BS!!!!!
It was because Charles and her brother Adam were planning to do a intervention and talk to the church elders about her beliefs . They, Adam and Charles were texting each other and she found out . Her mother Janice Cox and sister Summer Shiftlet had told her about it two days before July 11 .
Yeah her brother and her husband were still talking to each other her whole family knew what was on his phone texts emails before she gave it back to police there isn't anything in this case that makes any sense she just talks and talks and talks
Her grabbing his phone was as excuse to start a fight
@@dustycrum crazy Janis threw Adam and his son out of ther her house for supporting Alex how is it that Janis isn’t on the witness stand she knows all about the prolonged persecution of Charles she was part of it
Under no circumstances does she have a right to look at his phone. His phone is his, and it is his choice to let her have access to it. I don't believe her story about the phone; it never happened. It's all part of her feeling entitled to do whatever she wants.
I feel like the detective is automatically treating the situation like it WAS self defense. It's crazy!!
The room this interview was in is not an interrogation room. It is a victim’s interview room. Tylee is in a similar room. Alex was in an interrogation room, although he was treated better than he deserved too.
I hope they were fired, or back to school for more training. Think of how this could have ended everything.
This should be a video example of how NOT to interrogate. The detective (?) Is so bad. Terrible. Hopefully there is a lawsuit against the department so they can shape up.
@@ajordan1976 what did she flash?
@@ajordan1976 oh! Totally missed that! Lol
Sloppiest police/detective work I have ever seen!
@@ajordan1976 🤢🤮🤢 So unprofessional!
Keeping positive thoughts for a good outcome of your medical tests, Dr. John 🙏🏻
I sure hope that the Chandler Police Dept has implemented some sort of training program for their officers and how situations of a “self defense”death may need to be looked at differently-if they had just taken it seriously and did their jobs- they had plenty of evidence that something was wrong here. Those children would have been spared - I would be interested to know how these officers feel now.
Hoping Dr. John’s results come out okay. Waiting is the worst part. 🙏🏻❤️
Results of what?
@@u.synlig Lauren mentioned in a previous live that Dr. John had a MRI on his back that revealed a new tumor, so they wanted to do MRIs on his neck and brain. They haven’t received the results for those scans yet.
@@ashleyleibel Oh! Thank you for informing me. I will join you in wishing him well!
Prayers for Dr John 🙏🙏. Wonderful Soul!
@@suemaxwell5226 Amen
Narcissists are the best investigators in cases against themselves. They solve the mysteries for us because every story they tell us a projection of themselves. It tells us what they did, what they want to do, what they are thinking, etc.
That is so true.
Unfortunately, too many cops and courts are fooled by the narcissists, and the innocent end up blamed and guilty, never mind being slandered crazy. They sincerely NEED BETTER TRAINING !
She couldn't have been that afraid of him or she would have given him his phone back.
Exactly. If I were the detective I would have had q light bulb moment here. The entire altercation could have been avoided if Lori had just given Charles back his phone. She is so awful!
Or if Charles was so frightening angry, she could have easily just dialed 911. The phone was supposedly IN HER HAND!!! Why has that not been brought up, Wtf???
At the 29.15 mark when Lori mentioned she was expecting an ambush - I think she slipped and was talking about the intervention she knew Charles & Adam were planning. At the 1 hour mark the interviewer is just feeding Lori words & answers to a greater extent than before, doesn't even pause to see what Lori would say on her own. It's interesting how since Alex called it in as self defense the police just accepted that narrative without question. The long period of time when Lori sits with her eyes closed I think she is "communicating" with Chad or her angels or whatnot. The momentary nodding off movement often happens when a person is in a deep meditation. The (in)actions of that police department on this day is the poster child of what not to do.
Why didn’t the interviewer ask, “why didn’t you just give him his phone back to de escalate the situation?Isn’t that what he wanted?”
Yes! Agree.
Or, 'You said you didn't like him and were separated, what gives you the right to take his phone to begin with?' 'What makes you think you're entitled to see any of his personal texts when you're separated and headed for divorce?'
@@windblowncat totally agree with you there.
Right? I also think I would have kept asking why didn’t you dial 911, right away? Another question I would have asked in addition to not giving him his phone back is, why not have your daughter drive your son to school and start CPR?
In Melanie Gibbs first interview she states several times that Lori took the phone from Charles car, not that he left it inside and went back in to retrieve it. So many lies!
What I find interesting is that she is trying to sell everyone in her little group that Charles is a zombie named Ned. Yet, not one word about that to the cops. Lori is incompetent when it suits her.
Absolutely agree! I also feel she's smart enough, and manipulative enough, that she's spearheaded this whole debacle with her therapist... and lap dog Means is following behind her on his leash like the good boy he is.
@un petit je ne sais quoi
Agree! And if (according to the text transcripts now released) LV and Alex are both in the “translated” stage of “being” at this time per her and CD’s self-proclamation, why didn’t they just call upon their special spiritual “powers” to handle Hiplos/Charles that day?
LV turning her “spirituality speak” on/off, depending on who she is speaking to, shows me her “beliefs” are merely tools of manipulation meant to disguise her true motives.
@@windblowncat My suspicion also. “The best defense is a good offense” tactical maneuver, which also puts Means on the clock for payment.
Exactly. She plays the crazy card when it suits her.
It’s interesting to me that she doesn’t seem emotionally capable of even faking empathy/sympathy or anything remotely human. She’s complaining like one would to a friend on the phone.
Seriously, how did these two walk out of the police station that day?
That is a great question 🤔
Prayers and positive thoughts to Dr John to get great test results later this week. ❤️🙏❤️
the phone struggle reminded me of schoolyard bullies, like when they snatch your homework and toss it to the other bullies so you can't get it back
Omg her whole presentation .... such an off putting affect....just odd 😳
Building such a case against Charles !!!!
😢
And: Projection! She is the one who has moved her children around. Charles was the one who begged for stability for JJ when she disappeared for 2 months. Ugh
Lori reveals so much about herself and her thoughts in this interview. Thankyou for your breakdown. This is the first time watching her interview I've been dreading to watch it. You make it easier for me to digest.
So uncomfortable to hear that they wouldn't desperately try to get Charles help. In my mind, I'm thinking "why wouldn't they call for help seconds after he was shot!?". It's a human life!
Why would they desperately call for help if they had killed him in cold blood? Even driving thru for fast food afterwards!
Guaranteed the detective is nodding her head, agreeing with everything you’re saying here, Dr. John. (Even the critiques of her approach and questions.) Great analysis.
Can’t wait for the news (announcement) next week! I’ve followed the podcast from the beginning and I knew the opportunity of expertise being encouraged and showcased by the gorgeous talented Lauren was quite special. I have a feeling you’ll no longer be “hidden” gems. Either way, I’m blessed from what you both share!!! Thank you.
At the end Lori is thankful that the interview is over…she knows she is going to be walking out the door…..not one bit of sorrow or remorse. She is so happy!
The. She went on to kill 3 more people I wonder if this cop interviewing her regrets her sloppy interview
Why would 16 yo Tylee hate her stepfather of 14 - 15 years? Could it be that her mother was exploiting natural teenage angst and molding Tylee’s feelings?
One thing stands out to me - she never says anything about how Charles was a GREAT provider. And he was.
Another thing that pisses me off is when weaseling women pull a bogus “sisterhood” schtick on me to excuse their own bad behavior. Although normally they aren’t trying to excuse homicide. Lori Cox pulled this shit to excuse her attacks on Joe Ryan, too.
To me, listening to Lori here, sounds more like she is venting how much she despises Charles and almost giving an excuse for why Charles was really shot and killed! What do you think?
@usakiwi1986 Agree! My former SIL, whose DV criminal trial will be held next month, gave the same responses to both family and LE after she brutally attacked my brother, who was 26 yrs her senior and suffering from stage 4 prostate cancer.
I agree
Seems like every thing Lori accuses other people of ,is actually what she has been doing....
💯!!!
Yes it’s called PROJECTION. Narcissists do this all the time.
Which is what narcissists do.
Yes, I noticed this pattern in an abusive prior relationship I was in with a deeply personality disordered person. I came to recognize that his out-of-nowhere accusations towards me were nothing more than “confessions” of what he was actually doing. It seemed to me a very strange phenomenon when I encountered it in that relationship, but apparently it is VERY common in people with NPD and/or BPD. It’s a form of projection.
This has always driven me crazy: why didn’t law enforcement ever ask why she didn’t just give him his phone back????
If you listen to Melanie Gibbs first interview, she states several times that Lori told her she took the phone from Charles car, not that he went back into the house to retrieve it. Major discrepancy!
Exactly! And right before this, Lori was claiming she just wanted Charles to leave. If she wanted him to leave, why wouldn’t she give him his phone so that he COULD leave?
For a zombie he was a pretty nice one to rent this nut a house with a pool. This cop does not take control of this interview! She lets her ramble on about poor me and a man is dead. If it was about the phone, why didn’t they look at phones messages right away and see who players are. Why doesn’t the cop stop loris rambling and ask her questions relevant to the shooting instead of bad mouthing I’m and laughing .
She sets herself up to be the victim! Errrr
The way she is talking about Charles makes me sick.
And how could they ignore the fact that she seemed so unaffected by the death of Charles? Heartbreaking.
I am horrified at this interrogation.
She puts words in her mouth, agrees with leaving the scene, and saying her questions are crazy! WTH
Is anyone else infuriated about this?
She lets Lori run this conversation and doesn’t get the info thats needed!
These police at this PD are the worst I've ever seen her brothers story of self defense doesn't even meet the standards of self defense he should have been in jail that day when he said he went to his room to get his gun and came back that right there blows his story to self defense out of the water and the cops know it yet they let him remain free
@@copper4441 If the danger was so dire how did he " get away" to go get the gun? Because it was murder, not self defense! And clearly planned & incited by Lori as she took his phone! Who would try to get their phone back? Is it self defense if someone is trying to retrieve their stolen property?
It’s gross incompetence! I wonder if they ever had to answer for the their track record here.
Everyone sucked in by her face
The room is not an interrogation room. It looks like a room for interviewing victims.
I hate how Lorawhore says he's always about JJ never about Tylee. Well Lori Charles didn't kill Tylee you did so apparently nothing was about her, it was about you
She does seem to project….
“Lorawhore” 🧡
👍👍🙌🙌. Exactly!!!
Tylee had also left school (GED), is working part-time, and has $2k in spending money a month.
Yes the 6 year old requires more attention.
I agree with Lauren about how Lori seems like she cares for Tylee. And then with in two months she killed Tylee. Grrrrrrrrrrr😡😡😡 Makes me sick to my stomach.
Thank God there are not many Mums like Lori. I can’t listen to her. It’s unfortunate as I can’t listen to the analysis much then. She just speaks so fast and she’s so full of untruths.
Tylee struck me as a very sad & lonely young girl! Lori was all talk!
So glad to see you both!! Continuing prayers for Dr. John 🙏🏻❤️
I've been waiting to hear Dr John's thoughts on this one 😳
"Tylee's been through so much" actually translates to "don't press her too hard for information, or she'll tell you what actually happened." She's only dressing it up in socially acceptable terms
I'm a true believer in the power of prayer! So many of us are here and praying for you! Much love and prayers from Maryland!
It is very telling to me that Lori, Alex or Tylee never shedded a single tear during or after the murder of Charles. AND the police never questioned that or the 3 conflicting stories.
Those are not real tears.
My only comfort with that is hearing the phone call, I believe with Larry & Kay, where the detective assures them that they aren't buying the story and are trying to piece the puzzle together. That at least shows they weren't completely bamboozled even if they didn't get anything accomplished before the kids were murdered, unfortunately.
That interviewer had already made up her mind before this interview. Giving Lori every chance to easily get through this interview. Lori talks as if SHE is the 17 year old.
Lori portraying herself as a great mother, talking about Tylees grades,walking into the interview, makes me sick... Manipulating psychopath....How dare she take Charles phone and read his texts, they were separated, how does she feel she is entitled to do that??? Then the hands clenched and the continous blinking, I think there's rage there..Lori Continually saying "Or whatever" .She is taking about her husband that has been murdered a few hrs ago, but totally trivialising it....Lori always seems manic to me, the fast talking etc... When she sits up on the chair, Lori thinks she has got out of this and the detective believes every word she has said??? Great to see you both Dr John and Lauren ... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪💚💜💙💜💙💜
Praying for positive outcome for Dr. John. I love your open minds and frank talk. Keep up the great work!
Dr. John makes a good point, that the investigator’s opening words set the tone for, and give shape to the succeeding interview. Her initial laxity provides no guardrails for the subject’s journey of memory: she even says, “Start where it makes most sense _to you.”_ That could be a useful tactic, if she wants to gauge the depth of her subject’s association to the current event; it may reveal intent, deliberation even - if the homicide was not an unintended necessity [for defense] of the moment.
But, I can see two indicators that the investigator’s overture was not made with that strategy in mind:
1) The subject (Lori Vallow) was not being interviewed as “a murder suspect,” as Dr. John suggested; she was not mirandized (or reminded of a Miranda warning given earlier) before the interview, and the detective interviews her _alone._ Lori was seen and treated as just a witness to events.
2) The detective’s soft-opening interview might have had strategic value, were it just the first of a pair - or a series - of evidence-gathering interviews with the same subject. Having ascertained the dimensions of the incident’s meaning in the subject’s own mind with this first interview, the detective’s partner could subsequently re-interview the subject with a more focusing prompt - for event detail.
But, since this was the only interview conducted with Lori Vallow post-incident, it was evidently just a perfunctory, witness-statement gathering exercise.
I wonder if the reason Lori was avoiding answering the question about seeing the shooting is because the kids saw it. She said in the beginning that JJ had been taken to the car and later Tylee after the bat incident. After avoiding responding to the question she states yet again, that she had to ask the kids to get in the car after the incident. Kinda weird. Why would she need to get them in the car after the shooting? They were in the car!
I thought the same thing. They probably saw it, and Lori may have even warned threatened Tylee about talking to police.
I'm catching up on the things I missed the last few days and I have a couple of comments. First and foremost I want you to know I'm praying for Dr John's health as well as strength for you as a family to weather this storm. Also you guys have done a phenomenal job with this channel and delving into this case. It's def top 5 in the ones I've listened to and I assure you there are many of them. Thank you for all the hard work
The amount of times she says "whatever" ... that's where she's spinning her story.
Just like Melanie G, she says whatever alot and laugh unnecessarily...
Wow I'm just a little late, yeah !!! Dr John you are in my thoughts and prayers 🙏. The news on Cleo is wonderful and amazing.
I'm on live but it won't let me make comments
She wasn't being interrogated tho. She's was the poor DV victim at this point in time.
She is all over the place cause she is like a magician...look everywhere else but here...
Takes her down rabbit holes and paints him as the bad guy...like look over here and then a jab at Charles at the same time. Anything but what the question is
She is like the typical socio
You ask one plus one equals? And they say the yard is purple because they are jerks.
Yes. 100% correct
And got out of there totally empowered to continue on…….
I didn’t see Lori’s irrelevant information she was giving was evidence of illness, but rather of manipulation and thinking if she “distracts” the police just enough, they might just let her slide. She’s smarter than all of them. Remember, in her mind she’s a God.
Lauren, bless you for all the work you put in trying to figure your technology out on the fly. You handle the stress so gracefully, I couldn't be so cool, calm, and collected! Kudos to Dr John for your patience, too. :o)
My thoughts, regarding Lori's tears at the end of her chit chat with the detective, is that she think she's succeeded at convincing the detective that there was nothing untoward going on and she was, in her mind at the time, days away from being a millionaire. I'm overly skeptical by nature, though, so having watched her behavior enough I can't give her credit for legitimate human emotions.
Also, did the detectives ever try to talk to JJ? While I know he was reported to be very behaviorally challenged with his autism, who is to say that he couldn't contribute in a meaningful way. I'm the guardian to an adult with disabilities who functions at the level of an 8 year old, and she can do math in her head faster than I can using fingers and toes. He may not be capable of providing details but when a man has been killed shouldn't an attempt be made at the very least?
Also, who puts two witnesses next door to each other where they can hear the other being interviewed? Listening to Tylee's interview it seems like you can hear Lori pretty clearly next door, wouldn't you want to separate them so that Tylee isn't being 'fed' their story from the next room?
Love your content! I listen all day while I work :) As soon as I heard you mention BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) I was glued in to what you were saying. I have BPD and nearly 50 so I have some real life experiences with this lovely personality disorder. I was thinking the same thing about Lori based on what I've watched and read. It's a possibility. Sorry if this is long.
Yes, emotions can be void. I don't understand the mourning process at all. My father passed years ago and I still haven't "properly" mourned his passing. Unable to understand emotions that people are feeling can be frustrating and I can sense that in her. She can't feel the appropriate emotions. That likely frustrated her during the interrogation and lead to the reason for the tears when the person left the room. I do this all the time because like you said, I don't want to be seen as weak.
Yes, manipulation is an everyday thing! I only became aware of my own manipulative behavior when my brother said "In the end she's going to get what she wants and do what she wants. Rules don't apply to her." Of course I thought he was a ahole at the time but being older I see it now. Lori has to manipulate everything/one around her because (if she has BPD) she thinks in absolutes. Once a thought is in her mind that's it, it's happening! She has her own rules. Nothing, I mean nothing will stop her. If you step on her (absolute) ideas she's done with you. As if no relationship ever existing. Because of the absence of the proper emotions it's like nothing for her.
Love/Hate - Come/Go etc - Wrong/Right... there's no shades of grey.
Thank you again for the amazing content!
Your channel has been the most in-depth coverage of this case that I've found. Thank you for your amazing podcast!
She disappeared from JJ for 58 days. No thought of him at all. She is despicable.
Hoping all the best for you all John, Lauren and Banks
This is the video of the interview that led me to your channel
I’ve been watching your videos over the last few days almost to the deficit of anything else!
they are so very informative
When I saw you had posted this assessment I clicked so quick
Now just 40 odd minutes in and l feel I’ve watched 4 different people
One who is quiet complacent and inquisitive
One who is determined has a harsh voice, harsh facial features and doesn’t use any body gestures
One who talks and expresses like a teenager that seems dominant to me
The little child and little girly voice ‘Alex’
Now we have an actress with full on facial and body gestures and very expressive with arms flying legs kicking around
She is acting a part repeating a script that comes across as blatant lies
She’s 16 acting like a 16-year-old, sitting cross legged in the chair and accusing her deceased husband of behaving like a 16-year-old Oh my gosh
Which one is she, who is she?
It’s subtle yet I do believe it’s there
Thank you Dr. John! Opening with “I know this sounds silly..” is the weakest move on earth and it makes it clear this detective is a total rookie!
1. She’s being interviewed in the victims/kids room, designed to be less intimidating and make the individual feel comfortable and safe
2. Did the detective ask for her cell phone (standard procedure)?
3. They should have had all three independently draw a map of where they were in the room throughout the altercation.
4. The detective asks leading questions and helps here finish her thoughts! Stop it! She doesn’t question anything.
5. Why didn’t the detective ask Lori why she started the altercation if she was afraid of Charles - why would she set him off if this was true?
6. Why did Lori et al only have to tell their story once? For a homicide, investigators usually have them repeat it several times, verbal and written, sometimes even ask them to tell the story backwards. At the very least, they should have been brought in several times to repeat their story to look for discrepancies. Yet they were never questioned again as far as I know.
7. Lori’s non-answers, avoiding questions and unnecessary information are all huge red flags for even the greenest detective, yet she lets them go unchallenged?
8. Charles told officers several times Lori had threatened to kill him - did they not look at their histories?
9. Long hair should always be pulled back in a bun, it’s a major officer safety issue and basic requirement. Shows lax policies, procedures, etc.
I don’t believe this murder would have been looked at again if it wasn’t for the shooting at Brandon B. They didn’t give a F. Terrible.
Wow, really great points. You must be in law enforcement or related.. thanks
Lori absolutely saw the shot. A better interrogation question would be to act curious & clueless and ask her what did the shot look like? Then, she can’t simply reply yes or no; she then has to reply with first correcting me and also that she didn’t see it & why she didn’t see it. These ppl /police department were too inexperienced. 🤷🏻♀️
Surprising that the police didn't take the clothes Alex and Lori were wearing to test for GSR. Nor did they swab Lori's hands for GSR to confirm the story that Alex was the shooter.
If that Det. had done her job, Tylee and JJ would still be alive.
Great analysis, as usual. I can't usually watch live because I'm putting 2 kids to bed, but I still like to weigh in, even though it's after the fact. I agree that it seems pretty clear that Lori's emotion at the end is relief from the stress of being interrogated for murder (even though it didn't feel too much like an interrogation for us). There is zero emotion about her husband being gunned down and lying in a pool of blood on her dining room floor.
Also, I can sort of see why she would want to get JJ to school, just because trying to manage his special needs and need for routine while dealing with this aftermath would be impossible. But there is no reason in my mind that she couldn't have had Tylee take JJ to school. She needed to get Tylee away from there and buy some time so they could get their story straight. Tylee may have seen more than they had intended, and Lori needed to make sure she knew exactly what to say.
Another thing, about her "ambush" slip. I think she was expecting Charles and Adam to confront her, which they were planning. But it's interesting that she didn't mention why they were conspiring to confront her. She conveniently leaves out the fact that she knows her husband is actually a zombie named Ned Schneider who she has threatened to murder. I think it was a double slip on that word. One, that she was going to be ambushed by them for reasons that she realized she could not divulge, and two, she knows that she and Alex are actually the ones who planned this ambush on Charles.
One last thing about, "Tylee's been through so much. " Yes, Lori has put her through hell her whole life.
Thank you for all the analysis and work you both put into this. Praying for Dr. John and your precious little family.
Praying all will be good for you Dr. John!
The fact that the detectives involved just took things at face value is mind boggling. Stories didn’t add up BEFORE comparing them (which I doubt ever happened). This department enabled three more murders!
Such a frustrating thing to watch. In Chandler, AZ, if someone "is mean & you don't like them anymore" it's perfectly reasonable to shoot them in the chest. 🙄 and be treated as a victim instead of suspect from minute one.
Also, in police body cam at the scene, the paramedics AND officers state there are 4 shells, they count them off. & say "they shot the s**t out of him" The PD has never explained this discrepancy.
This sounds like a therapy session with Lori ranting away rather than an actual police interview. The lack of interrogation by the detective here is baffling and disturbing. The complete lack of remorse by Lori and Alex should have been A HUGE RED FLAG!! What is going on with Chandler PD!! Why didn’t the detective ask Lori why she didn’t just give Charles his phone back?!? After hearing this interview I have more questions than answers! That is a PROBLEM! Guess the detective didn’t feel that way. WOW. Just wow.
I was just about to say that the tears were a sign of relief then John said it.
About the word “ambush” - 1) she knew that Adam and Charles were planning an “intervention” and she considered that an ambush.
I replayed this again because you read Lori perfectly. I enjoyed it so much.
Wow! I hope that the detective who interviewed Alex was much more experienced. In my opinion she swallowed loris story hook, line & sinker & with what unfolded after, she should be embarrassed for the way she conducted this interview. Like you guys said, they need more training.
Thank you for your analysis Dr. John
My guess about tears - the detective showed her compassion, treated her like a victim, was kind to her . It moved her, she felt like a victim for a minute, imagined these emotions. It made her feel something in the same way you would be moved for a minute when you are watching a touching scene during a film.
That was a great observation so true
My thoughts are first and foremost with you two, and I hope all goes well medically.
Godspeed Dr. John.
Secondly, the detective was THEE worst interviewer I've ever seen!! Period.
This might be the worst interview ever! So many missed opportunities! I wonder about the training in this department. Just horrible in my opinion. She should have said, so......why didn’t you just give him his phone!
Agree...it will be #1 of what NOT to do when interviewing in a possible murder investigation. Does she not have even abit of instinct that Lori is actually acting upbeat rather than even mildly distraught....after witnessing her husband lying shot in the chest on her living room floor by her brother. She's clueless.
I’ve been binging on all ur vids to catch up with everything you two do. Your vids are UNPRECEDENTED. The very best to both of you.
Agreed relief Dr John, then a huge deep breath!! Then sort of in a meditation state as in gratitude. So 100% relief!
I just discovered you guys weeks maybe a month ago. When I saw this last year I felt the same as a layman, this was relief! Again that huge deep sigh after a few seconds of tears then nothing again. Yup relief!
I wasn't able to make it to the live show, bur Dr. John, but my thoughts are with you. My husband is struggling with Cancer. Even if your tumors are benign, prayers to us all.
I’m a Christian woman, but I can’t help feeling the anger and disease this person projects. Evil just emanates from her whole being..my disdain for her is not a good feeling in my soul…😔 PS..she has NO conscience.. horrible human being..
I so remember this video! Way back when. May Justice be served!
Why does the detective keep giving her “outs!” With her questions ?
She’s a good cop...making Lori feel comfortable and almost being the opposite of interrogating....the cops have to keep Lori talking this cop is doing a great job....she doesn’t want to pressure Lori too much she wants to be gentle and almost non confrontational...so Lori doesn’t get scared or mad or angry or just walk out because I don’t think at this point Lori has to stay there. She’s not under arrest.
@@JewelySandollar They should have put her in a freezing cold actual interrogation room with a competent detective , begin with the niceties, then go at her hard. She’d get so flustered if she had no control over the environment or the detective. I think I could have done a better job that this detective… 🙄
" The Reed Technique" is a way to interview that has specific tactacle behaviors one of which is confrontation and that definately is not in the beginning of the interview.
"I just needed the kids out of the way..." 😳 I think it's interesting how she says "right" a lot after her statements, which the interviewer doesn't know the background or full context to confirm their validity. Also "blah blah blah" over and over through crucial moments and details to back up her accusations.
If Lori were afraid of Charles being angry and abusive, she wouldn't taunt him by taking his phone. She was trying to make him upset.
I think that the detective saying to tell her the story was a great idea: I'm listening to all Dr. John was able to pull from the conversation.
It seems like every narcissist I know can't answer questions. They go on tangents, dismiss the original question, confuse the issue... all to create confusion, chaos and maintain control of the conversation. They always have something to hide even if it's something small and benign, just to have control over the other person. And they add in some unnecessary passive aggressive comments in the middle of it because they always need to make sure they are the victim or someone else is bad... in every freaking conversation.
"Yeah, "proficient" with guns. Thanks Officer! Let's put that in the record."
The Officer gives Lori the idea that she can say Lori didn't know when Alex had the gun.
This doesn't sound like a casual conversation. It sounds like a cop unfairly "helping" someone instead of conducting an investigation.
Guaranteed a different person would be treated differently by the cops.
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It was HIS damn phone.Not once do any of these cops say 'Why didn't you just give him his phone back?'Not once.Its unbelievable....and she laughs and giggles more than any witness to a murder I have ever seen.Let alone your husband of 14 years.smdh.
Thank you both!! I saw this interview earlier, but it was so enlightening with Dr John's analysis of the interaction between the LE officer and LCD. Great podcast. Once again, Lori managed to manipulate authorities. It's just AWFULl to hear L brag to the detective about T as she enters the room! Yikes!
This just breaks my heart. If Charles arguing with Tylee all the time is true at all. Tylee grew up with a crazy, self centered Mom; a biological father who abused her, a step dad who didn't love her and made her life hard; and a lurking, evil step dad to be who goaded her mother and uncle into killing her. I so hope Lori is just painting Charles as a jerk, but that he did have some tenderness and care to spare for Tylee, otherwise this child's life was so starved of true affection, parental love and safe people.
So glad to see Dr John!!!!
Hi from Australia..I've been following this case from the beginning. I just wanted to say thank you for your insights and physiological analysis of this case. Dr John babe you are awesome! As far as this interview I am so frustrated that stealing Charles phone, using it to antagonize him, then stealing his hire car and fleeing a crime scene at least should have brought some type of charges. In my opinion I feel that perhaps if this had happened the children might be alive today. So many red flags..dissociation of the children calling them her and him, lack of empathy and admissions about instigating the argument that led to his death. Going back when Lori and Mel b with Tylee at a previous interview yet again Loris admission of stealing from Charles. If a charge had been laid perhaps Charles would still be alive....
I agree with Dr. John they are tears of relief.
Do you know if your brother had the gun , had to go get the gun? Lori says “I don’t know” Interviewer says “this probably happened in a couple seconds.” WTF? This is not the first time I have watched these interviewers ask questions and then provide an answer for the interviewee rather then asking additional clarifying questions. It makes these three interviews with Lori ,Tylee and Alex difficult and frustrating to watch when your expecting a logical next question and the interviewer just answers their own question and then goes on to something else
Exactly!! Fudge it’s so frustrating!
They have a bad habit of that don't they . Ask a question and then if they can't come up with a quick answer they answer it for them . Did it with Alex and Tylee too.
I think that this positive interaction with LE empowered Lori & Alex to go on to murder Tylee JJ & Tammy. They were treated as victims right from the start of this interview. Alex & Lori. were given such empathy & compassion by LE - just unbelievable, I feel so disgusted watching these interviews. Yes I agree, Lori was crying tears of relief - she just got away with murder of poor Charles.
100%!
A thousand blessings to Dr. John! The spinal nervous system is as gnarly as a Daybell groupie, but less malignant by far.
And she STILL had Charles' phone! The detectives we're looking for it and when she came back to the house later they asked her and she said she found it in the car and gave it to them....so ....odd
Let’s play a drinking game….take a shot every time Lori says “whatever.”
Lori in late 40's still likes to talk like a ' valley girl' in her junior year of highschool.
Very interesting interview..surprised they didn’t question more, differently etc. great coverage! ❤️
LOVE Dr. John and Mrs. Lauren!
Your perspective and experience, your knowledge is refreshing and eye opening!!
So happy that you are feeling well today
The behavior panel RUclips channel did an excellent analysis of this very interrogation. I highly encourage anyone to watch it. The detective uses a strategy btw.
@@angieblove Same video, different approach. Both compliment each other IMHO. My favorite comment that summarized the Behavior Panel session: Watch EXTREME REACTION to Interrogation from 'DOOMSDAY MOM' Lori Vallow Daybell "Re: interrogator describing last question as "2nd stupid question". Was as though she was actually asking " what do u WANT me to believe? (Cuz I will - I'm gullible)." Lori gets TOO confindent then and pretty much tells that she started it. Ending with a description of the victim as a rabid dog that HAD to be put down. ?"
I think the detective never thought of Lori as a suspect, just Alex. I think she was just trying to get a witness statement.
I realize this recording is a year old but I just wanted to address one of Dr. Johns comments. I have huge respect for him and think his opinions are amazing . When empowering the 'suspect' during questioning , it is a common technique. I think they call it Reed technique but I could be wrong. It encourages a comfort level so they feel free to talk. They get good results that way often.
Excellent live! Thanks to my favorite duo💓
It IS relief that the detective believes her story.