Concerning the recent release of Melanie Gibb's interview with Chandler police, did anyone but me hear her disparage Tylee by making a point of telling the police about her "love of fast food and eating"? The tone of utter contempt she had while saying this sent shivers down my spine and made me nauseous. This is a grown, "Christian" woman taking obvious delight in putting down young Tylee. Melanie "Fib" is so much more involved, complicit & responsible for the deaths of Tylee and J.J. May she reap what she has so generously sown.
Lori was pumping Tylee with fast food since she was a baby she was even having health problems (see interview with Joe Ryan’s lawyer) fast food was probably one of the few comforts she had
As an adult survivor of a violent narcissistic mother I think that poor Tylee was in a constant state of fear of being rejected by her mother, who was the one constant in her life. She was likely threatened frequently with being sent to live with her father Joe Ryan, a man she barely knew and of whom Lori had taught her to be afraid and suspicious; Tylee cared deeply for JJ and would have worried for him had she been sent away by Lori. It is possible that Tylee was tortured mentally by this arrogant woman and constantly put down, demeaned and threatened with passive aggressive verbal attacks. The fact that the poor young thing was a tad overweight while Lori was obsessive about her figure and appearance would have led to more bullying by her mother who would have called her names. This poor little girl was pushed and pulled from pillar to post by a completely self interested narcissist with a God complex. The number of times my own mother could have killed me even just accidentally is outrageous and keeping Tylee away from other sensible adults is part of the control package. Throw in some God squad and the poor girl had no chance. Lori Vallow needs to pay for what she did to this poor child her entire life.
Something that always stood out to me is the relationship (or lack there of) between Tylee and Melanie Gibb. Melanie spoke about Tylee in neutral to negative tones, and spoke about how they did not at all have a relationship. What must it had been like for Tylee to have a Mom with friends who were around the house all the time and that looked at her with such coldness.
One of the things that kept running through my mind during Tylee’s interview was that the person I’m sure she was forced to blame would have probably happily given his life to keep her and JJ safe, and the two people she was protecting would go on to murder them just a couple months later. It’s so sad. Also, I knew the song she was humming sounded familiar but I couldn’t place it. I love Moana. Now whenever I hear that song I’ll think of Tylee.
I think your right @Luv2LuvEm it really is sad that Tylee had no one to protect her, clearly she was that for JJ (as best she could). When Lauren read the lyrics I cried, it pretty much summed up where Tylee’s heart was coming from. I’m so glad you dedicate that song to Tylee, I think that is a great tribute and is also helpful to me, I’m really struggling with my anger for what they did to Tylee. Seems to me if Tylee found comfort in that song when she needed it, I will honor her by doing that, too. Thank you for your kindness.
This is so sad….so hard to watch. This poor girl. Protected the mother who ultimately betrayed her in the worst way possible. I have a feeling she suffered for many years. Breaks my heart.
You're right - there's more going on than Tylee alone in a room. There's the issues of what the actual heck the police were doing leaving a minor who'd just witnessed her stepfather being killed was LEFT ALONE IN A ROOM for half an hour. What a disgrace.
It's a standard practice to let a pers8n who is about to be interviewed to sit alone for sometime. It's actually part of the interview to be able to observe and assess behavior.
I remember the deep hopelessness of being the child of a psychopathic parent. I recognize that sadness in Tylee’s face in the pictures with Lori. Tylee very well may have known that things weren’t going to end well for her.
Me too! My sister is a psychopathic too! I did not connect the dots till I was 55 years old, 2 years ago. I can go back and see all the destruction she did to my family and no one knew the truth of what happened. Just like Lori she lied and manipulated everyone.
Mel Gibb testified that at one point when Mel was talking to Lori on the phone! Lori made a comment re Tylee being a dark spirit! & Mel heard Tyler in the background yell! "Not me mom". Imagine how afraid she was knowing Charles was killed due to becoming possessed by an evil spirit. Imagine how much anxiety Tylee was experiencing if you now realized her mom now considered her to having become "dark".
And Mel gibb lied 3 times about that incident. In her interview with Nate Eaton, on the stand, and in her police interview. She said that when she was one the phone with Lori that it was around may 2019 and before Charles was killed. Now we’re learning it was after and during the time the moved to Rexburg. Also Melanie Palowski said when she visited Lori before she too moved to Rexburg that Lori had the kids room all made up with their things like a lovong parent would. Now we’re hearing when Melanie gibb visited that all of Tylee’s things were gone.
@@glennjones6574 I know!!! If she knew and could break away she would have. I believe Charles would have continued looking after Tylee if they'd all been able to separate from Lori
I had understood in the very beginning of the coverage of this case, that Tylee had applied for Emancipation pre-18 years old. If someone can find the documents of application and the people involved, we might discover why? If this is confirmed, Lori may have been fighting this too. If Tylee had become emancipated, she would be free to leave with the money from her father’s social security. I think there’s a key to Lori’s additional motives and competency to be able to plan all of this… thoughts?
Tylee had an additional target on her back when she witnessed Charles murder, I’m sure Lori and Chad were looking to tie up lose ends, add in the fact Chad didn’t want any outside influences or to raise another mans child or to share Lori. It’s disgusting psychopathic behavior and I’m heartbroken for Tylee, Charles, JJ and Tammy, individually they were worth 10,000 times more than Chad or Lori, combined and we are all less for the loss. I’m major pissed and after listening to Adam cox describe his sister I’m more prone to think Lori is faking to avoid the consequences and if she did have a psychotic break...tough. Force the meds and let her answer for her actions. This is harsh but I’m serious as a heartbeat. RIP sassy, beautiful Tylee, I’m sure you are caring for your brother in heaven...and I know your dad and Charles are there to give you the love you couldn’t get here on earth.
You can never be harsh enough about Chorihor! It's especially awful considering they had an easy out if they just wanted no child responsibilities: give JJ to Kay & send Tylee with him to help out. You're right though that Tylee had witnessed too much. Plus Lori wanted to steal the Social Security survivor benefits Tylee got after Joe's "natural" 🙄 death.
@@OGMsVixen I wonder if she didn’t kill JJ to punish Kay, Larry and Charles for thwarting the big payout she was expecting. Kay wanted JJ she could simply have given him to her, yet she chose murder? That’s some serious evil. I had to look up korihor or Chorihor because I’m not LDS but I do recall Lori having a meltdown when MG called her that in the recorded phone conversation. Wonder if MG thinks of herself as some sort of Alma? This all seems so ridiculous to me, it’s like dungeons and dragons for the offshoot Mormons. And before anyone reads this and takes offense, I’m not dissing the Mormons or LDS faith, I’m dissing these crazy cult followers who’ve twisted these stories beyond anything recognizable for their own self interest. Dangerous stuff, for sure. A LOT less fantasy and a bit more critical thinking would have been very helpful.
Hope there is a heaven. ‘Lord I believe, help my unbelief. ‘ I think it was Saint Ignatious Loyola said this. I have someone very precious who died tragically. It kept me going and keeps me going to believe he’s close by and we will meet in the next life. 👼 👼
@@heleneocleary5888 hi Helene, 😊 here’s my thought on heaven. Nobody truly knows for sure but doesn’t it feel nicer to have hope verses none? Let’s you and I hope together!! (I sense there is just for the record) I’m very sorry hear of your loss, hang in there. 💜
I have bad anxiety, and see that so obviously. But I also see discouragement despair and hopelessness/depression, even more so. Imagine if she says the wrong thing, knowing she might become a zombie. It is unrealistic to think she hadn't overheard some conversations between her mother and friends. 😢
If not mistaken, I believe Tylee overheard Lori say Tylee was either “ a zombie”, or “ she was dark”, and Tylee was heard saying “ not me mom”… so she had to know what that terminology meant! So sad there weren’t any close friends allowed in Tylee’s life to get her away from her mother!
Lauren, thank you for your ongoing coverage of this case and your immense compassion for Tylee, JJ and the family who is left mourning their senseless loss. I'm coming back to rewatch this video as I feel an eerie connection to Tylee ...that could have been me. I have recently been struck bu the fact that I am living the freedom she needed and was so close to. I grew up with a woman (mother) a lot like Lori. I felt that exact depression and despair at feeling like the never good enough daughter. My mother also believed she was destined for the 144,000. We were not mormon, but I grew up in a very small end of days cult (under 50 people living in a home together). I have so much lasting trauma from believing I was going to be left behind because of the way my mother talked to me about it. The way she warped and abused scripture to control and oppress me. But I got out. I got free. I got my happy Moana ending
Tylee wasn’t mature enough to realise what her “mother “ was doing . Not realising what lengths her “ mother “ would go . Who wants to think the “mother” you love is damaging you life and may end your life ?
Lauren And Dr John, I wasn’t able to join the live chat but I did view the podcast about an hour late. Thank you for (once again) putting your heart and knowledge into this, for championing for the victims and their families, and helping many of us to understand. Knowledge IS power and heart reigns supreme. Lauren when you read the lyrics Tylee was humming, I broke down. I understand now. I get why you’ve been frustrated with the church for not recognizing Tylee. I can’t imagine how much you and John must be struggling with helping each other and all of us make sense of all this. Too much leadership is lacking today and social media is a double edged sword. I’m here for this project and will continue to support you and John’s work. This IS the way we make a difference. The Hidden Crime family is some of the best I have seen on social media. The ripple effect is taking hold. Thank you, both. I, like many others here have come to love you guys.💜
You are two of the best people who take a logical look at people's faults and causes with compassion and honesty in sharing your feelings and knowledge. It is so good to see people talk about what seems to be the reality of a person then the sensational.
I find myself grieving for people I don’t know personally but it’s the children that really touch my heart. It breaks my heart that they suffer as they do and fall victim to their very own parents. I grew up with a family full of alcoholics. Life never felt safe to me. I thought once that I might die at the hand of my father but I didn’t. But to kill your own children. I can’t even wrap my mind around this. What is going on that so many children are falling by the hands of their parents. It’s unfathonable. . My heart aches for these children.
She can hear her mother being interviewed while she is sitting there. I tried the other night to watch both interviews to time Tylee’s reactions & expressions to things Lori was saying. If you watch Lori’s interview you can hear the point at which Tylee begins her interview, Lori sits very still and quiet while listening to what Tylee is saying to the interviewer. At one point, they both sit cross legged in the chair the exact same way! I saw mimicking traits by Tylee of Lori, which is not uncommon. There difference here is, Tylee was dependent totally upon what her mother “ needed her to be”. It appears to me she stuck beside her mom like glue, trying to meet her mother’s approval of her. I have seen this a lot with young women/ teenagers, seeking the approval of mom. I am sure up until the moment she was being killed, she never dreamed her mom and Uncle Alex would be the ones to do it! …. or Chad and Uncle Alex! ( which I am still waiting to see the evidence, and details of that day, and I know they are “ innocent until proven guilty by a court of law”, but we all know one thing for sure: Someone, or multiple someone’s killed those babies! ( Yes, Tylee was just fixing to start being a young woman, but was still a child that had little to no experience of life as an adult independent of parental influences. The saddest part to me is that apparently a mother wanted her children out of the way, so she could live her life independent of her children, and the responsibility that goes along with it! 💔
Thank you for honoring this beautiful girl. I cried with you in the beginning of this video. Tylee deserved so much more. I often think of who she would be now.
Dear Loren & Dr. John, I did catch the live yesterday! I’m. always impressed watching RUclipsrs learning new tech stuff! I’m always calling on my two daughters who live close to me to check my devices especially after I install updates. So sorry to hear about Ana! 🙏🏻ing for her quick recovery! Dearest Dr. John your emotion wasn’t lost on me. It was great to see your loving humanity, freely shared. As a mother, who has had the privilege of being a mother to four wonderful and accomplished daughters & now the grandmother of 8 grandchildren ( 5 boys & 3 girls - oldest is a boy in his senior yr.of HS.. He had a perfect SAT score-he & my daughter visited many colleges this spring/summer! The next two are my granddaughters both starting their first year of HS ). Seeing that video (previously, watched when it first came out) it was heartbreaking then but having you Dr. John & Loren breaking down Tylee’s demeanor just had me in tears! I would have taken that young girl in a heartbeat! By the end of the live I was in such grief, I cried for so long! When anyone follows certain RUclipsrs you really feel that you have a “personal” relationship with who you are following. I like hearing your psychology “take”. One of my twins has her PhD in Philosophy/Psychology. She is a professor at Goddard University, teaches in a local Community College, and has a counseling office with one of her housemates in Emerald Isle, NC. I find that she thinks like you and has a wealth of information because she has the ability to retain so much and can relate things in a relatable way. She recently sent me a signed book that she edited! The title of the book is Full Circle New Beginnings - authored by Vanessa M. Stretch, PhD. Edited by Greta Enriquez, PhD. / Forward by Liz DeBetta, PhD
This hit extra hard tonight. I think it’s been a little while since I experienced the full weight of these crimes. But seeing her sitting there waiting to be interviewed, just being a teenage girl trying to comfort herself, the humanity of little everyday self soothing gestures… I am bawling. I don’t even know what true justice would look like in this case. It’s just so sad.
😢 I haven’t cried like this over this case for some time. Feels like we have all gotten caught up in the chatter about the fringe religious aspects or the degradation of all of the followers under Chad n Lori. Our focus should always be these victims. It’s about Tylee, JJ, Tammy and Charles. You guys did a wonderful job making Tylee the focus on this video. She was the victim of the worst tragedy of them all. And Kay’s sentiment at the end is absolutely right. No one, not one adult!, stopped in their tracks at any point to say things were wrong until those children were found and where. I am sure if they didn’t find them in the Daybell’s yard, more of them would still be championing their leaders.
I feel like I’m the only one who finds Tylee’s behavior NOT anxious. On the contrary she seems extremely relaxed before the interview and during - bored almost. Having anxiety myself, I see nothing in her that speaks to the tragedy that happened only hours earlier. I took this possibly as being desensitized to drama after 16 years living with Lori. Otherwise it could mean direct involvement, but I have difficulty believing that. My belief is that Tylee knew Charles was intentionally murdered - but only after the fact - and was coached to lie about it (although she comes across incredibly truthful in the interview and completely calm). I truly believe Tylee was murdered after threatening to tell the truth later on in September. She likely didn’t like what was going on with the religious crap, moving to Rexburg, and possibly even didn’t want her mom to marry Chad. That’s why I believe her murder happened so quickly out of the blue - and then JJ had to follow as he was simply in the way. It’s definitely disturbing watching the video knowing she only has a few months left to live…
Thank you, John and Lauren for the empathy you always bring for these victims. Thinking back to my own teenage years, it's rough even when you have a loving family that's rooting for you. She was so close, and you're right--she would have gone on to outshine Lori in all the ways Lori couldn't even comprehend. I wish so badly that Tylee could have crossed that line. I have always wondered how Tylee said, "Not me, mom," when Lori called her a zombie. To know they were yelling and emotions were high, Tylee feeling neglected and ignored by her mom... that's really painful to hear. And then, of course, Lori gives herself the power to turn Tylee into a zombie, and then she is the only one who can "cure" her of that final malady.
I wonder how they could have expected her or “wanted” her to loose weight when they were possibly poisoning her and making her sick. Who wants to eat right and move your body when you don’t feel good. They tortured the poor girl on so many levels. 💔
Lori seems to revel and delight in her own toxicity. May all the innocents rest in peace. Dreadfully sad. Again, my deepest condolences to their loved ones. The song just shattered me completely. Thank you so much, you two...
Hope you and Dr John are doing well! Praying for you guys and any life challenges that you may be going through. And praying for your guy’s success and happiness in life! You both are truly strong and profound people, thank you so much for opening up and being a voice to all the victims and their families through your podcast. You have both made a big difference in the True Crime Community. Thank you for opening our eyes to things that are Hidden 🧡
I used “body armor” as a child after being molested. My mom always focused on my sister and I and our weight too. She backed off me because I was sassy and very popular in high school. Once my mom went to nursing school her behaviors improved and the abuse diminished. I still use “body armor” as an adult in my troubled marriage!! Love your insights….it is painful to watch this and know Tylee will be brutally murdered in a couple of months.
Oh my Dr. John and Lauren. I'm in tears for watching your pain and thanks for sharing with how hard it has to be to watch the horrific break down and knowing the outcome! You both are amazing and You truly help these beautiful souls live on and help just one other child or young person to be saved! Love You both and what you stand for! May God bless Your lives 😘
As I watch this I can't help but wonder why no one checked up on her to ask if she needed anything like they did with the others. It just seemed like she had to sit alone for such a lengthy period of time. Then I wonder if this was done purposely to watch how she would act when no one was coaching her. I noticed that Lori never really took many photos of Charles and Tylee together like she did with herself and Tylee and Tylee with JJ or with Alex.
Rest In Peace sweet girl! You are absolutely perfect and I have to believe you are doing all the amazing things you wanted to do! Thank you @Hidden True Crime for sharing all your vulnerability with us. The work you’re doing doesn’t go unseen! 💙💜
Omg, that song is beyond heartbreaking, not sure how you read that without sobbing. There are so many times I want to turn back time and get these young victims to safety, Tylee has a special place in my heart even though I didn't know her. I have daughters and it's just unfathomable any mother would do anything to harm their babies. My heart just breaks for her 😥
Great video. Such helpful information. None of us are perfect, but being able to recognize complex issues, lives can be saved. Thanks for you expertise!
I grew up with in a Borderline family. One of the best books that helped me process what my siblings and I went through was Understanding the Borderline Mother: Helping her children transcend the intense, unpredictable and volitile relationship by Christine Ann Lawson. I have read this book twice then threw it out both times. Which is crazy bc its expensive and i have to keep buying it every time I feel I need to read it again. So my mom didn't commit murder although she is a self proclaimed prepper, I think about myself at this age....and ugh it kills me to see another child going through this. As I listen to Dr John talking about his impressions of Tylee being anxious and depressed....that was me. I thank God that I was able to be away but yhe healing still goes on and I am almost 46. She doesn't know what to say that won't make her mom get upset with her. If anything she says causes her mom to switch into witch mode, she knows there will be hell to pay. You do everything you can to not be put in the embarrassing bad kid category.
I can relate. My mother would never let me get heavy. I’m lucky I never developed an eating disorder. I did develop an obsession with exercise though. My mother is a narcissist. My dad was an alcoholic. A funny and fun alcoholic but it wasn’t good for any of us. My mom drank too much to. My friend who took his life 5 years ago lead me to trauma therapy and support groups for 5uicide loss. I stayed in therapy for 4 years. One book he had me read was Codependent No More. I’ve yet to make it through that book. I get pissed and put it away. I see why I do the things that day but it makes me so mad how it developed. My parents are great. Still married. My dad got sober long ago when I was in my 20’s. I’m 53 now. I can’t confront my parents with my anger. It seems wrong but my mother is still a narcissist and can trigger the heck out of me.
Thank you so much for the insights. I learned some new things and felt increasingly love and empathy for Tylee. I hope that Melanie Gibb and the other people that were critical of Tylee will watch this and will understand Tylee more. I hope that everything is ok with you two! Much love to you both! 💕
There was just such instability in Tylee’s childhood and adolescence. Just the number of times this family moved has my head spinning. I can’t imagine how emotionally damaging it is for a child to not have a safe home base, to always be making new friends and having to say goodbye to others. So many people say that Lori was such a good Mom. But as a mom myself, for me the measure of a good parent is to maintain a healthy, stable, chaos-free home, and to raise up your children to be loving, empathetic, confident and independent. I don’t see a good Mom at all. I see an agent of chaos and the children were just drug through the mess of Lori’s life.
I have seen moms like this… they put on a good show when it is convenient for them….. That is not being a good mom, that is a good manipulator ! You are right, instability and chaos aren’t what makes a good home, nor a good mom!
I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH Dr John and Lauren for these vids addressing this topic that I NEVER SEE ANYWHERE ELSE. This is so vitally important that ppl understand these dynamics.
Thankyou Doctor John this was heartbreaking knowing what was to come for that poor girl Tylee! You showed her more compassion and respect in her short life than was shown to her by the people who were supposed to love and protect her. 😪😪💔💔
Agree. Her extended family had an opportunity to step in and failed. I think her uncle did his best to intervene and was silenced. Feel bad for that uncle and cousin who tried.
Dr John, I have really enjoyed your professional observation on this case! You and Lauren have such classy ways of explaining everything! Your channel is one of the very best on RUclips!!!💜❤️💙
This has been an awesome live, Lauren and John. Your critique of Tylee’s interview was very interesting and for what I do know, which is not that much, I am very much in agreement with all that you said. Thank you guys for the time and dedication you put into your into your videos.
Maybe tylee’s alone time in that room was spent with tylee overhearing her mother’s interview in the next room. Because there is obvious chatter/noise infiltrating the silence!
I watched your this a nd I cried, literally sobbed when Dr John explained that Tylee probably "intuited" her fate, while posing f or the intagram photos with Lori. Tylee's sense of despair and loneliness, felt as if it overcame me. How sad for this poor girl.
Thank you to Dr. John for agreeing to be a part of your show, on a regular basis. I really enjoy hearing his professional point of view. I think his analysis is fascinating & I hope he continues to be a part of the show!
Thank you thank you Lauren and Dr john! I come here to learn from you all because you are about real investigation and deep exploration of everyone in this situation. It has enlightened many many people about cults and mental illness.
So glad someone finally brought up the question about Tylee's weight. It seems she was always a little bit on the bigger side even in photos from when she was a really young child. I think that was just her body type (in addition to any issues around eating may have been in play that made it worse) & I've always wondered if Lori felt differently about her because of it. If Lori was perpetually disappointed in her no matter the fact that Tylee was a beautiful person inside & out. It is something I have always thought. I have always wondered if Lori was not happy to have had a blonde blue eyed daughter who might compete with her for attention. Everything you guys said about this are things I have been thinking since I started following this case but never wanted to address it because I didn't want it to come off as criticism of Tylee. I'm glad someone did finally address it
When she stops humming she's reliving what she just witnessed in the house and everything else that her mother has put her through between the things with her father and just everything there's so many things that we probably don't even know. And that's why when she saw her brother walk in Colby she broke down the second he walked in the door. I just wish and would hope that Colby doesn't feel guilty that he wasn't able to pick up on what his mother was actually doing and didn't have a way to save at least Tylee. I'm sure he would want to save JJ too and I don't think Tyler would have left JJ even if Colby did try to get her away from her mother. Imagine what this poor girl was going through when her mother and her uncle were literally beating her to death and it was a very slow death and it was also terrible how they literally chopped her up. And like Reverend Donna serafina said that Lori seem to have no problem shopping her daughter up where Alex had no problem with the act itself he was just more grossed out by the blood and the guts and the gore of it but not because it was his niece. And that was why they didn't dismember JJ as they did Tylee. This little girl protected her mother so much and even if she did threaten to say something it was probably just teenage bicker with her mother and her mother just didn't see it that way and turned on her. But Tyler would have backed her mother 1,000% I believe not because she was evil kind of like how it was with Leticia Stauch and her daughter Harley Hunt. I think that if Harley would have said things like that to Leticia that Leticia would have turned around and did the same thing to her daughter
I feel so bad for tylee, jj too but tylee had to know something bad was coming, she knew mom was calling her a zombie and just killed her step dad, she was probably so stressed and imagine what she must of been thinking when alex or Alex were killing her. Isn’t it speculated that tylee was shot though? Because of chad saying he shot a raccoon around when tylee was murdered and neighbor said they heard the shot. I just hope she didn’t know what was happening and didn’t go through any pain
So sad for Tylee. When I watched this interview I thought she was humming the song from Moana. Thank you for reading the lyrics, so powerful when considering Tyler's circumstances. Poor girl. 😢
I wonder if the "I'm your only rescuer" message was in play in the Cox household as well. For both Lori and Alex to be sociopaths, there must have been something toxic in their childhood home. This seems generational
so evil. I live in Boise Idaho and was shocked when we heard the kids were missing then the story started to trickle out. Tylee had 16 years of instability before Charles then Lori wouldn't let him be a Dad. Lori remained in full control of her kids .I see that Charles had a good heart and was the rare gentleman who would provide for his family and see to their needs even when things were very rocky with the wife losing her sanity and plotting to kill him.
You can here Lori been interviewed next door, Tylee would be aware that her mother will here her also... This has to be the most difficult podcast you both have done in this Case so far... You can see the visible upset on you both also.... Its just cruel what Lori has done... Lori took everything from Tylee... When you here all these people saying Lori was a great mother... No she wasn't, feeding her kids fast food, no bed in their rooms... Lori the narcissist has the double bed, mirrors in the lounge for her dancing ... Crazy... Thanks you so much for you dedication... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪💜💙💜💙💜
Dear Dr. John and Lauren., I hope you see this comment. You honor Tylee, Jj, Tammy and Charles every day. You do this through hard work and ethical reporting. You bring home the human factor in this tragedy. This is what drew me to your channel way back when. I recently subscribed snd I’m happy I did you are the only channel I am subscribed to. Lots of love to you and your family! Love and respect from New York City Kathy
Although I've been following this case from day 1, along with HTC, I'm just diving in to Beyond the Veil. Dr. John really helps in his professional perspective. Many questions I've asked myself, he answers. I've always known that Tylee's account of what happened in that house, when Charles was murdered, was a lie. But now I understand how she was so manipulated, and probably very afraid. For anyone believing the Cox family, that Lori was normal: Nothing was normal about this family.
Really loving Doctor John's insight into this family and your discussion. What a fab team. Also enjoying how this information is so helpful for real life and real characters and family dynamics we can experience. Am a recent discoverer of your channel and am loving gorging on your previous videos. Thank you for the great content 👍
I also felt she didn’t have her phone and teens don’t know what to do if have No phone, plus I have never seen someone pop all their fingers and toes Wow
Lori actually took JJ off his meds AND got rid of his dog for his last few weeks alive, just to make it more horrific for him. The personification of evil- although I wouldn't feel right about bringing that up without mentioning that the only thing more cruel and horrific than Lori's behaviour is the police and their handling, or rather their I GNORING of Charles' please for help and ignoring his murder just weeks later, after he TOLD THEM how she had cleaned out his bank account after canceling his flight reservations home, then hiding the truck he'd left at the airport forcing him to somehow get a cab home with no money, then changed the locks on him forcing him to hire a locksmith- ALL of which he had told them about prior to telling them about her threats to MURDER HIM- and then upon finding him murdered BY LORI'S BROTHER just weeks later they didn't even have the interest they would give picking out a donut with thier morning coffee..So maybe next time you are told a spouse has gone nuts & is threatening murder, howz' about maybe.... oh, gee, I dunno...when they show up murdered weeks later by THAT SPOUSES BROTHER, you TAKE HIM IN AND ACTUALLY INTERRIGATE HIM- and maybe ACTUALLY take in that spouse for that 72 hour hold, EVEN IF they giggle cute and tell you they take care of their kids? 😉💕
I think that moment she was staring off into space @ 16:44 was also her realizing that Charles is really dead and she almost has tears in her eyes but she fights it back.
my mom was constantly on the phone when I was a toddler. she scared me ti ask for what i needed by yelling , "DONT TALK TO ME WHEN IM ON THE PHONE!!" I never have been able to ask for what I need from the play pen I to Adulthood. I get it, Tylee.
Thank you for this video about Tylee. Hope whatever was on your hearts today has been resolved. Your sorrow is almost tangible. Tylee. My heart just breaks.
I feel Dr John you are saying that Lori was jealous of Tylee .My Mom was jealous of me too .I dont understand this , never have , why your own Mom would be jealous ?
Maybe Dr John will answer and give better insight but I believe my mom and stepmother were jealous of me as a teen. I didn't realize what was happening at the time but thinking back on it now I think they wanted to be able to relive those years and be beautiful, young and carefree again. They weren't happy in their lives and wanted to run around and have fun like I was doing. There's probably more to it in this sad story with Tylee but I think jealousy is fairly common for dysfunctional families.
I really love you two. You both are a bright light in our Universe. Thank you so much for opening your heart and soul with us. It is a true honor to be a subscriber. RIP Tylee...I feel better knowing you are now with your Dad and JJ.
Can you imagine what it was like for JJ when Tylee disappeared? All the anxiety and questions about where she is etc. Tylee was his person! He must have been in utter turmoil.
Thank you for your coverage of this case. I'm just coming to these videos now having watched your coverage of Lori's trial. Have you done any videos about the police forces involved and if they were thorough enough in their investigations from the start? Poor Charles wasn't listened to and there were so many missed opportunities it seems. My heart goes out the the family & friends of all involved, and especially Kay &Larry 🙏❤
It's soo horrible to think what Tylee went through when she realized they were going to kill her & her mom was a part of that! I truly believe the police could have saved Charles, Tylee, & JJ had they done the right thing & believed Charles' desperate cry for help to put Lori in a mental institution & locked her up right away after what she did to him prior to all this. I was so upset when I saw that video when she took his truck & stole his money then locked him out of his own home & the police did nothing to arrest her! Thanks...(fr.. L.O.)
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Concerning the recent release of Melanie Gibb's interview with Chandler police, did anyone but me hear her disparage Tylee by making a point of telling the police about her "love of fast food and eating"? The tone of utter contempt she had while saying this sent shivers down my spine and made me nauseous. This is a grown, "Christian" woman taking obvious delight in putting down young Tylee. Melanie "Fib" is so much more involved, complicit & responsible for the deaths of Tylee and J.J. May she reap what she has so generously sown.
Lori was pumping Tylee with fast food since she was a baby she was even having health problems (see interview with Joe Ryan’s lawyer) fast food was probably one of the few comforts she had
Not surprised. She’s always acted like she disliked the kids
My understanding was that Lori was addicted to junk food - when she ate that is.
@Arwen Hardy Melanie was jealous. Remember she was Lori's daughter calling her mom.
@@nohandle830OMG sibling rivalry 🤯 Plus MG is a hypocritical and callous POS.
Dr. John's insight and sensitivity were heartwarming. Honoring Tylee and the place where she was emotionally were most important. Thank you.
As an adult survivor of a violent narcissistic mother I think that poor Tylee was in a constant state of fear of being rejected by her mother, who was the one constant in her life. She was likely threatened frequently with being sent to live with her father Joe Ryan, a man she barely knew and of whom Lori had taught her to be afraid and suspicious; Tylee cared deeply for JJ and would have worried for him had she been sent away by Lori. It is possible that Tylee was tortured mentally by this arrogant woman and constantly put down, demeaned and threatened with passive aggressive verbal attacks. The fact that the poor young thing was a tad overweight while Lori was obsessive about her figure and appearance would have led to more bullying by her mother who would have called her names. This poor little girl was pushed and pulled from pillar to post by a completely self interested narcissist with a God complex. The number of times my own mother could have killed me even just accidentally is outrageous and keeping Tylee away from other sensible adults is part of the control package. Throw in some God squad and the poor girl had no chance. Lori Vallow needs to pay for what she did to this poor child her entire life.
How can they comment on her weight when she was obviously suffering as a young girl in this crazy family
Poor tylee may have been obese directly caused by evil Lori.
Dr John is top drawer. I love his deep deep understanding and his kind way of teaching us. 💕
Something that always stood out to me is the relationship (or lack there of) between Tylee and Melanie Gibb. Melanie spoke about Tylee in neutral to negative tones, and spoke about how they did not at all have a relationship. What must it had been like for Tylee to have a Mom with friends who were around the house all the time and that looked at her with such coldness.
Just came to say that Annie Cushing is doing her very best, to be a voice for Tylee, in spite of not having seen her often. Now I will watch.
I've always respected her for coming forward to be a voice for Tylee when there were so many others who should have been and weren't.
@@Zsuh-Zsuh-Boo-Boo Agreed 100%
Awesome 👍 thank you for this comment, as she is Tylees voice.
AGREE!!! JUSTICE FOR TYLEE!
Adam Cox is the ONLY voice of reason in his family. Thank goodness, he is talking to whomever will listen.
@@ajordan1976how? Do tell
One of the things that kept running through my mind during Tylee’s interview was that the person I’m sure she was forced to blame would have probably happily given his life to keep her and JJ safe, and the two people she was protecting would go on to murder them just a couple months later. It’s so sad.
Also, I knew the song she was humming sounded familiar but I couldn’t place it. I love Moana. Now whenever I hear that song I’ll think of Tylee.
I think your right @Luv2LuvEm it really is sad that Tylee had no one to protect her, clearly she was that for JJ (as best she could). When Lauren read the lyrics I cried, it pretty much summed up where Tylee’s heart was coming from. I’m so glad you dedicate that song to Tylee, I think that is a great tribute and is also helpful to me, I’m really struggling with my anger for what they did to Tylee. Seems to me if Tylee found comfort in that song when she needed it, I will honor her by doing that, too. Thank you for your kindness.
@@robynB424 Agreed, 🌹🙏😇🙏🌹
This is so sad….so hard to watch. This poor girl. Protected the mother who ultimately betrayed her in the worst way possible. I have a feeling she suffered for many years. Breaks my heart.
Oh my the emotion in doctor Johns voice had me crying bless him and you Lauren for covering this sad subject x
Dr. John, I felt all of that with you. Thank you for sharing your wisdom AND heart. 🙏🏽🤍🙌🏼
You're right - there's more going on than Tylee alone in a room. There's the issues of what the actual heck the police were doing leaving a minor who'd just witnessed her stepfather being killed was LEFT ALONE IN A ROOM for half an hour. What a disgrace.
Very good point. And should have received counseling and removed from mother's care for the short term at least.
It's a standard practice to let a pers8n who is about to be interviewed to sit alone for sometime. It's actually part of the interview to be able to observe and assess behavior.
Really appreciate the care toward shown by you guys toward Tylee.
I remember the deep hopelessness of being the child of a psychopathic parent. I recognize that sadness in Tylee’s face in the pictures with Lori. Tylee very well may have known that things weren’t going to end well for her.
Same. Very relatable to me, as well.
Me too! My sister is a psychopathic too! I did not connect the dots till I was 55 years old, 2 years ago. I can go back and see all the destruction she did to my family and no one knew the truth of what happened. Just like Lori she lied and manipulated everyone.
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My thoughts as well. She feared her mother. How tragic to fear your mother.
Mel Gibb testified that at one point when Mel was talking to Lori on the phone! Lori made a comment re Tylee being a dark spirit! & Mel heard Tyler in the background yell! "Not me mom". Imagine how afraid she was knowing Charles was killed due to becoming possessed by an evil spirit. Imagine how much anxiety Tylee was experiencing if you now realized her mom now considered her to having become "dark".
And Mel gibb lied 3 times about that incident. In her interview with Nate Eaton, on the stand, and in her police interview. She said that when she was one the phone with Lori that it was around may 2019 and before Charles was killed. Now we’re learning it was after and during the time the moved to Rexburg. Also Melanie Palowski said when she visited Lori before she too moved to Rexburg that Lori had the kids room all made up with their things like a lovong parent would. Now we’re hearing when Melanie gibb visited that all of Tylee’s things were gone.
She should have gotten into her jeep and drove away. She was getting 2 grand a month. I know it's hard for a 16 year old to think that way.
Melanie Gibb is just as responsible for these murders
@@glennjones6574 I know!!! If she knew and could break away she would have. I believe Charles would have continued looking after Tylee if they'd all been able to separate from Lori
I had understood in the very beginning of the coverage of this case, that Tylee had applied for Emancipation pre-18 years old. If someone can find the documents of application and the people involved, we might discover why? If this is confirmed, Lori may have been fighting this too. If Tylee had become emancipated, she would be free to leave with the money from her father’s social security. I think there’s a key to Lori’s additional motives and competency to be able to plan all of this… thoughts?
Tylee had an additional target on her back when she witnessed Charles murder, I’m sure Lori and Chad were looking to tie up lose ends, add in the fact Chad didn’t want any outside influences or to raise another mans child or to share Lori. It’s disgusting psychopathic behavior and I’m heartbroken for Tylee, Charles, JJ and Tammy, individually they were worth 10,000 times more than Chad or Lori, combined and we are all less for the loss. I’m major pissed and after listening to Adam cox describe his sister I’m more prone to think Lori is faking to avoid the consequences and if she did have a psychotic break...tough. Force the meds and let her answer for her actions. This is harsh but I’m serious as a heartbeat. RIP sassy, beautiful Tylee, I’m sure you are caring for your brother in heaven...and I know your dad and Charles are there to give you the love you couldn’t get here on earth.
You can never be harsh enough about Chorihor! It's especially awful considering they had an easy out if they just wanted no child responsibilities: give JJ to Kay & send Tylee with him to help out. You're right though that Tylee had witnessed too much. Plus Lori wanted to steal the Social Security survivor benefits Tylee got after Joe's "natural" 🙄 death.
@@OGMsVixen I wonder if she didn’t kill JJ to punish Kay, Larry and Charles for thwarting the big payout she was expecting. Kay wanted JJ she could simply have given him to her, yet she chose murder? That’s some serious evil. I had to look up korihor or Chorihor because I’m not LDS but I do recall Lori having a meltdown when MG called her that in the recorded phone conversation. Wonder if MG thinks of herself as some sort of Alma? This all seems so ridiculous to me, it’s like dungeons and dragons for the offshoot Mormons. And before anyone reads this and takes offense, I’m not dissing the Mormons or LDS faith, I’m dissing these crazy cult followers who’ve twisted these stories beyond anything recognizable for their own self interest. Dangerous stuff, for sure. A LOT less fantasy and a bit more critical thinking would have been very helpful.
I have to agree. Shes a skilled operator and justice needs to be served.
Hope there is a heaven. ‘Lord I believe, help my unbelief. ‘ I think it was Saint Ignatious Loyola said this. I have someone very precious who died tragically. It kept me going and keeps me going to believe he’s close by and we will meet in the next life. 👼 👼
@@heleneocleary5888 hi Helene, 😊
here’s my thought on heaven. Nobody truly knows for sure but doesn’t it feel nicer to have hope verses none? Let’s you and I hope together!! (I sense there is just for the record) I’m very sorry hear of your loss, hang in there. 💜
I have bad anxiety, and see that so obviously. But I also see discouragement despair and hopelessness/depression, even more so. Imagine if she says the wrong thing, knowing she might become a zombie. It is unrealistic to think she hadn't overheard some conversations between her mother and friends. 😢
If not mistaken, I believe Tylee overheard Lori say Tylee was either “ a zombie”, or “ she was dark”, and Tylee was heard saying “ not me mom”… so she had to know what that terminology meant!
So sad there weren’t any close friends allowed in Tylee’s life to get her away from her mother!
@@ValorWarrior5258 They never stayed in one place long enough.
Lauren, thank you for your ongoing coverage of this case and your immense compassion for Tylee, JJ and the family who is left mourning their senseless loss.
I'm coming back to rewatch this video as I feel an eerie connection to Tylee ...that could have been me. I have recently been struck bu the fact that I am living the freedom she needed and was so close to. I grew up with a woman (mother) a lot like Lori. I felt that exact depression and despair at feeling like the never good enough daughter. My mother also believed she was destined for the 144,000. We were not mormon, but I grew up in a very small end of days cult (under 50 people living in a home together). I have so much lasting trauma from believing I was going to be left behind because of the way my mother talked to me about it. The way she warped and abused scripture to control and oppress me. But I got out. I got free. I got my happy Moana ending
Tylee wasn’t mature enough to realise what her “mother “ was doing . Not realising what lengths her “ mother “ would go .
Who wants to think the “mother” you love is damaging you life and may end your life ?
Exactly
Lauren And Dr John, I wasn’t able to join the live chat but I did view the podcast about an hour late. Thank you for (once again) putting your heart and knowledge into this, for championing for the victims and their families, and helping many of us to understand. Knowledge IS power and heart reigns supreme.
Lauren when you read the lyrics Tylee was humming, I broke down. I understand now. I get why you’ve been frustrated with the church for not recognizing Tylee. I can’t imagine how much you and John must be struggling with helping each other and all of us make sense of all this. Too much leadership is lacking today and social media is a double edged sword.
I’m here for this project and will continue to support you and John’s work. This IS the way we make a difference. The Hidden Crime family is some of the best I have seen on social media. The ripple effect is taking hold. Thank you, both. I, like many others here have come to love you guys.💜
You are two of the best people who take a logical look at people's faults and causes with compassion and honesty in sharing your feelings and knowledge. It is so good to see people talk about what seems to be the reality of a person then the sensational.
I find myself grieving for people I don’t know personally but it’s the children that really touch my heart. It breaks my heart that they suffer as they do and fall victim to their very own parents. I grew up with a family full of alcoholics. Life never felt safe to me. I thought once that I might die at the hand of my father but I didn’t. But to kill your own children. I can’t even wrap my mind around this. What is going on that so many children are falling by the hands of their parents. It’s unfathonable. . My heart aches for these children.
She can hear her mother being interviewed while she is sitting there. I tried the other night to watch both interviews to time Tylee’s reactions & expressions to things Lori was saying.
If you watch Lori’s interview you can hear the point at which Tylee begins her interview, Lori sits very still and quiet while listening to what Tylee is saying to the interviewer.
At one point, they both sit cross legged in the chair the exact same way! I saw mimicking traits by Tylee of Lori, which is not uncommon.
There difference here is, Tylee was dependent totally upon what her mother “ needed her to be”. It appears to me she stuck beside her mom like glue, trying to meet her mother’s approval of her. I have seen this a lot with young women/ teenagers, seeking the approval of mom.
I am sure up until the moment she was being killed, she never dreamed her mom and Uncle Alex would be the ones to do it!
…. or Chad and Uncle Alex! ( which I am still waiting to see the evidence, and details of that day, and I know they are “ innocent until proven guilty by a court of law”, but we all know one thing for sure: Someone, or multiple someone’s killed those babies! ( Yes, Tylee was just fixing to start being a young woman, but was still a child that had little to no experience of life as an adult independent of parental influences.
The saddest part to me is that apparently a mother wanted her children out of the way, so she could live her life independent of her children, and the responsibility that goes along with it! 💔
Thank you for honoring this beautiful girl. I cried with you in the beginning of this video. Tylee deserved so much more. I often think of who she would be now.
Dear Loren & Dr. John, I did catch the live yesterday! I’m. always impressed watching RUclipsrs learning new tech stuff! I’m always calling on my two daughters who live close to me to check my devices especially after I install updates. So sorry to hear about Ana! 🙏🏻ing for her quick recovery!
Dearest Dr. John your emotion wasn’t lost on me. It was great to see your loving humanity, freely shared. As a mother, who has had the privilege of being a mother to four wonderful and accomplished daughters & now the grandmother of 8 grandchildren ( 5 boys & 3 girls - oldest is a boy in his senior yr.of HS.. He had a perfect SAT score-he & my daughter visited many colleges this spring/summer! The next two are my granddaughters both starting their first year of HS ).
Seeing that video (previously, watched when it first came out) it was heartbreaking then but having you Dr. John & Loren breaking down Tylee’s demeanor just had me in tears! I would have taken that young girl in a heartbeat! By the end of the live I was in such grief, I cried for so long!
When anyone follows certain RUclipsrs you really feel that you have a “personal” relationship with who you are following. I like hearing your psychology “take”.
One of my twins has her PhD in Philosophy/Psychology. She is a professor at Goddard University, teaches in a local Community College, and has a counseling office with one of her housemates in Emerald Isle, NC. I find that she thinks like you and has a wealth of information because she has the ability to retain so much and can relate things in a relatable way.
She recently sent me a signed book that she edited! The title of the book is Full Circle New Beginnings - authored by Vanessa M. Stretch, PhD. Edited by Greta Enriquez, PhD. / Forward by Liz DeBetta, PhD
This hit extra hard tonight. I think it’s been a little while since I experienced the full weight of these crimes. But seeing her sitting there waiting to be interviewed, just being a teenage girl trying to comfort herself, the humanity of little everyday self soothing gestures… I am bawling. I don’t even know what true justice would look like in this case. It’s just so sad.
😢 I haven’t cried like this over this case for some time.
Feels like we have all gotten caught up in the chatter about the fringe religious aspects or the degradation of all of the followers under Chad n Lori.
Our focus should always be these victims. It’s about Tylee, JJ, Tammy and Charles.
You guys did a wonderful job making Tylee the focus on this video. She was the victim of the worst tragedy of them all.
And Kay’s sentiment at the end is absolutely right. No one, not one adult!, stopped in their tracks at any point to say things were wrong until those children were found and where. I am sure if they didn’t find them in the Daybell’s yard, more of them would still be championing their leaders.
I feel like I’m the only one who finds Tylee’s behavior NOT anxious. On the contrary she seems extremely relaxed before the interview and during - bored almost. Having anxiety myself, I see nothing in her that speaks to the tragedy that happened only hours earlier. I took this possibly as being desensitized to drama after 16 years living with Lori. Otherwise it could mean direct involvement, but I have difficulty believing that. My belief is that Tylee knew Charles was intentionally murdered - but only after the fact - and was coached to lie about it (although she comes across incredibly truthful in the interview and completely calm). I truly believe Tylee was murdered after threatening to tell the truth later on in September. She likely didn’t like what was going on with the religious crap, moving to Rexburg, and possibly even didn’t want her mom to marry Chad. That’s why I believe her murder happened so quickly out of the blue - and then JJ had to follow as he was simply in the way. It’s definitely disturbing watching the video knowing she only has a few months left to live…
I have the same opinion!!!
Also thinking similar….
Boredom means she had already given up.
She obviously lied for her mother, which would make her indirectly involved.
Thank you, John and Lauren for the empathy you always bring for these victims. Thinking back to my own teenage years, it's rough even when you have a loving family that's rooting for you. She was so close, and you're right--she would have gone on to outshine Lori in all the ways Lori couldn't even comprehend. I wish so badly that Tylee could have crossed that line. I have always wondered how Tylee said, "Not me, mom," when Lori called her a zombie. To know they were yelling and emotions were high, Tylee feeling neglected and ignored by her mom... that's really painful to hear. And then, of course, Lori gives herself the power to turn Tylee into a zombie, and then she is the only one who can "cure" her of that final malady.
This poor girl at such a vulnerable age where she needed guidance and love.
I wonder how they could have expected her or “wanted” her to loose weight when they were possibly poisoning her and making her sick. Who wants to eat right and move your body when you don’t feel good. They tortured the poor girl on so many levels. 💔
Lori seems to revel and delight in her own toxicity.
May all the innocents rest in peace. Dreadfully sad.
Again, my deepest condolences to their loved ones.
The song just shattered me completely.
Thank you so much, you two...
Hope you and Dr John are doing well! Praying for you guys and any life challenges that you may be going through. And praying for your guy’s success and happiness in life! You both are truly strong and profound people, thank you so much for opening up and being a voice to all the victims and their families through your podcast. You have both made a big difference in the True Crime Community. Thank you for opening our eyes to things that are Hidden 🧡
Amen
April 2023. I’m invested in the trial and am going back to these interviews. Sweet children murdered and thrown away.
I used “body armor” as a child after being molested. My mom always focused on my sister and I and our weight too. She backed off me because I was sassy and very popular in high school. Once my mom went to nursing school her behaviors improved and the abuse diminished. I still use “body armor” as an adult in my troubled marriage!! Love your insights….it is painful to watch this and know Tylee will be brutally murdered in a couple of months.
Oh my Dr. John and Lauren. I'm in tears for watching your pain and thanks for sharing with how hard it has to be to watch the horrific break down and knowing the outcome! You both are amazing and You truly help these beautiful souls live on and help just one other child or young person to be saved! Love You both and what you stand for! May God bless Your lives 😘
As I watch this I can't help but wonder why no one checked up on her to ask if she needed anything like they did with the others. It just seemed like she had to sit alone for such a lengthy period of time. Then I wonder if this was done purposely to watch how she would act when no one was coaching her. I noticed that Lori never really took many photos of Charles and Tylee together like she did with herself and Tylee and Tylee with JJ or with Alex.
Rest In Peace sweet girl! You are absolutely perfect and I have to believe you are doing all the amazing things you wanted to do!
Thank you @Hidden True Crime for sharing all your vulnerability with us. The work you’re doing doesn’t go unseen! 💙💜
I’ve watched the 3 interviews - just the interviews but I find it so much more insightful with Lauren and Dr John commenting ❤
My heart hurts for this sweet girl. So heartbreaking to see her hurting so much 😢
Watching this 2 years later and knowing everything made me cry and broke my heart for Tylee!
Omg, that song is beyond heartbreaking, not sure how you read that without sobbing. There are so many times I want to turn back time and get these young victims to safety, Tylee has a special place in my heart even though I didn't know her. I have daughters and it's just unfathomable any mother would do anything to harm their babies. My heart just breaks for her 😥
Tylee...Gone to the Line Where the Sky Meets the Sea. Let your Soul be Free to Find What You Are Meant to Be...💙💙💙
Great video. Such helpful information. None of us are perfect, but being able to recognize complex issues, lives can be saved. Thanks for you expertise!
I grew up with in a Borderline family. One of the best books that helped me process what my siblings and I went through was Understanding the Borderline Mother: Helping her children transcend the intense, unpredictable and volitile relationship by Christine Ann Lawson. I have read this book twice then threw it out both times. Which is crazy bc its expensive and i have to keep buying it every time I feel I need to read it again. So my mom didn't commit murder although she is a self proclaimed prepper, I think about myself at this age....and ugh it kills me to see another child going through this. As I listen to Dr John talking about his impressions of Tylee being anxious and depressed....that was me. I thank God that I was able to be away but yhe healing still goes on and I am almost 46.
She doesn't know what to say that won't make her mom get upset with her. If anything she says causes her mom to switch into witch mode, she knows there will be hell to pay. You do everything you can to not be put in the embarrassing bad kid category.
I can relate. My mother would never let me get heavy. I’m lucky I never developed an eating disorder. I did develop an obsession with exercise though. My mother is a narcissist. My dad was an alcoholic. A funny and fun alcoholic but it wasn’t good for any of us. My mom drank too much to. My friend who took his life 5 years ago lead me to trauma therapy and support groups for 5uicide loss. I stayed in therapy for 4 years. One book he had me read was Codependent No More. I’ve yet to make it through that book. I get pissed and put it away. I see why I do the things that day but it makes me so mad how it developed. My parents are great. Still married. My dad got sober long ago when I was in my 20’s. I’m 53 now. I can’t confront my parents with my anger. It seems wrong but my mother is still a narcissist and can trigger the heck out of me.
Thank you so much for the insights. I learned some new things and felt increasingly love and empathy for Tylee. I hope that Melanie Gibb and the other people that were critical of Tylee will watch this and will understand Tylee more.
I hope that everything is ok with you two! Much love to you both! 💕
Melanie G. will never change her feelings towards Tylee, JJ or anyone else she thinks she's better than.
There was just such instability in Tylee’s childhood and adolescence. Just the number of times this family moved has my head spinning. I can’t imagine how emotionally damaging it is for a child to not have a safe home base, to always be making new friends and having to say goodbye to others. So many people say that Lori was such a good Mom. But as a mom myself, for me the measure of a good parent is to maintain a healthy, stable, chaos-free home, and to raise up your children to be loving, empathetic, confident and independent. I don’t see a good Mom at all. I see an agent of chaos and the children were just drug through the mess of Lori’s life.
I have seen moms like this… they put on a good show when it is convenient for them….. That is not being a good mom, that is a good manipulator ! You are right, instability and chaos aren’t what makes a good home, nor a good mom!
I think it was all a show in which Tyler had to participate.I think those kids lived with continued chaos.🥲
I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH Dr John and Lauren for these vids addressing this topic that I NEVER SEE ANYWHERE ELSE. This is so vitally important that ppl understand these dynamics.
Thank you, Lauren and Dr. John. I love these nights when it's just the two of you....
Thankyou Doctor John this was heartbreaking knowing what was to come for that poor girl Tylee! You showed her more compassion and respect in her short life than was shown to her by the people who were supposed to love and protect her. 😪😪💔💔
Tylee extended family failed her. They knew Lori was losing her mind & when Charles was shot she should’ve been rescued by then
Agree. Her extended family had an opportunity to step in and failed. I think her uncle did his best to intervene and was silenced. Feel bad for that uncle and cousin who tried.
They were lucky to make it out alive. I'm sure they were next.
Dr John, I have really enjoyed your professional observation on this case! You and Lauren have such classy ways of explaining everything!
Your channel is one of the very best on RUclips!!!💜❤️💙
This has been an awesome live, Lauren and John. Your critique of Tylee’s interview was very interesting and for what I do know, which is not that much, I am very much in agreement with all that you said. Thank you guys for the time and dedication you put into your into your videos.
Lori had just been interviewed. When they went to interview Tylee, Lori was able to hear Tylee’s interview from another room.
And if you saw Lori's interview, she was listening intently.
Maybe tylee’s alone time in that room was spent with tylee overhearing her mother’s interview in the next room. Because there is obvious chatter/noise infiltrating the silence!
I watched your this a nd I cried, literally sobbed when Dr John explained that Tylee probably "intuited" her fate, while posing f or the intagram photos with Lori.
Tylee's sense of despair and loneliness, felt as if it overcame me.
How sad for this poor girl.
This was heartbreaking 💔! Thanks Dr John & Lauren for doing this.
Dr John you are such a great Dr.; So professional and very spot on!
Thank you to Dr. John for agreeing to be a part of your show, on a regular basis. I really enjoy hearing his professional point of view. I think his analysis is fascinating & I hope he continues to be a part of the show!
You went down a rabbit trail and did not get to the Tyler interview. I was so disappointed.
Thank you thank you Lauren and Dr john! I come here to learn from you all because you are about real investigation and deep exploration of everyone in this situation. It has enlightened many many people about cults and mental illness.
So glad someone finally brought up the question about Tylee's weight. It seems she was always a little bit on the bigger side even in photos from when she was a really young child. I think that was just her body type (in addition to any issues around eating may have been in play that made it worse) & I've always wondered if Lori felt differently about her because of it. If Lori was perpetually disappointed in her no matter the fact that Tylee was a beautiful person inside & out. It is something I have always thought. I have always wondered if Lori was not happy to have had a blonde blue eyed daughter who might compete with her for attention. Everything you guys said about this are things I have been thinking since I started following this case but never wanted to address it because I didn't want it to come off as criticism of Tylee. I'm glad someone did finally address it
I consider this a TRIBUTE TO TYLEE John and Lauren. NO ONE as far as I know has ever given a tribute to TYLEE. God bless both of you.
Check out Annielytics channel. She’s Joe Ryan’s sister and she has been quietly involved in this case since the beginning. Her time lines are amazing.
Thanks John and Lauren for keeping it classy.
Thank you for your compassion and empathy, handling such grievous topics. I appreciate your intelligent insights.
i have just started listening to this sad case. i know nothing and so grateful i can learn about the case from y’all Tylee was gorgeous ❤
The 2 of you are such amazing people and your content is above and beyond professionalism and accurate informative dialogue!
When she stops humming she's reliving what she just witnessed in the house and everything else that her mother has put her through between the things with her father and just everything there's so many things that we probably don't even know. And that's why when she saw her brother walk in Colby she broke down the second he walked in the door. I just wish and would hope that Colby doesn't feel guilty that he wasn't able to pick up on what his mother was actually doing and didn't have a way to save at least Tylee. I'm sure he would want to save JJ too and I don't think Tyler would have left JJ even if Colby did try to get her away from her mother. Imagine what this poor girl was going through when her mother and her uncle were literally beating her to death and it was a very slow death and it was also terrible how they literally chopped her up. And like Reverend Donna serafina said that Lori seem to have no problem shopping her daughter up where Alex had no problem with the act itself he was just more grossed out by the blood and the guts and the gore of it but not because it was his niece. And that was why they didn't dismember JJ as they did Tylee. This little girl protected her mother so much and even if she did threaten to say something it was probably just teenage bicker with her mother and her mother just didn't see it that way and turned on her. But Tyler would have backed her mother 1,000% I believe not because she was evil kind of like how it was with Leticia Stauch and her daughter Harley Hunt. I think that if Harley would have said things like that to Leticia that Leticia would have turned around and did the same thing to her daughter
I feel so bad for tylee, jj too but tylee had to know something bad was coming, she knew mom was calling her a zombie and just killed her step dad, she was probably so stressed and imagine what she must of been thinking when alex or Alex were killing her. Isn’t it speculated that tylee was shot though? Because of chad saying he shot a raccoon around when tylee was murdered and neighbor said they heard the shot. I just hope she didn’t know what was happening and didn’t go through any pain
So sad for Tylee. When I watched this interview I thought she was humming the song from Moana. Thank you for reading the lyrics, so powerful when considering Tyler's circumstances. Poor girl. 😢
I wonder if the "I'm your only rescuer" message was in play in the Cox household as well. For both Lori and Alex to be sociopaths, there must have been something toxic in their childhood home. This seems generational
Thank you so much from Finland!
so evil. I live in Boise Idaho and was shocked when we heard the kids were missing then the story started to trickle out. Tylee had 16 years of instability before Charles then Lori wouldn't let him be a Dad. Lori remained in full control of her kids .I see that Charles had a good heart and was the rare gentleman who would provide for his family and see to their needs even when things were very rocky with the wife losing her sanity and plotting to kill him.
When lyrics were read, I cried for Tylee, again.
You can here Lori been interviewed next door, Tylee would be aware that her mother will here her also... This has to be the most difficult podcast you both have done in this Case so far... You can see the visible upset on you both also.... Its just cruel what Lori has done... Lori took everything from Tylee... When you here all these people saying Lori was a great mother... No she wasn't, feeding her kids fast food, no bed in their rooms... Lori the narcissist has the double bed, mirrors in the lounge for her dancing ... Crazy... Thanks you so much for you dedication... Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪💜💙💜💙💜
Dear Dr. John and Lauren., I hope you see this comment. You honor Tylee, Jj, Tammy and Charles every day. You do this through hard work and ethical reporting. You bring home the human factor in this tragedy.
This is what drew me to your channel way back when. I recently subscribed snd I’m happy I did you are the only channel I am subscribed to.
Lots of love to you and your family!
Love and respect from New York City
Kathy
Although I've been following this case from day 1, along with HTC, I'm just diving in to Beyond the Veil.
Dr. John really helps in his professional perspective.
Many questions I've asked myself, he answers.
I've always known that Tylee's account of what happened in that house, when Charles was murdered, was a lie.
But now I understand how she was so manipulated, and probably very afraid.
For anyone believing the Cox family, that Lori was normal: Nothing was normal about this family.
Really loving Doctor John's insight into this family and your discussion. What a fab team. Also enjoying how this information is so helpful for real life and real characters and family dynamics we can experience. Am a recent discoverer of your channel and am loving gorging on your previous videos. Thank you for the great content 👍
Yaaay ! So glad to see Dr John. Really enjoy your input.
Thanks for this. Just excellent!
I also felt she didn’t have her phone and teens don’t know what to do if have No phone, plus I have never seen someone pop all their fingers and toes Wow
I noticed that too. Compulsive behavior.
I feel so emotionally connected watching you two, and thinking about your beautiful son. Prayers for your precious family.
Great video. It was muted when y'all muted from Adam cox. Great video, love yall !
Lori actually took JJ off his meds AND got rid of his dog for his last few weeks alive, just to make it more horrific for him. The personification of evil- although I wouldn't feel right about bringing that up without mentioning that the only thing more cruel and horrific than Lori's behaviour is the police and their handling, or rather their I GNORING of Charles' please for help and ignoring his murder just weeks later, after he TOLD THEM how she had cleaned out his bank account after canceling his flight reservations home, then hiding the truck he'd left at the airport forcing him to somehow get a cab home with no money, then changed the locks on him forcing him to hire a locksmith- ALL of which he had told them about prior to telling them about her threats to MURDER HIM- and then upon finding him murdered BY LORI'S BROTHER just weeks later they didn't even have the interest they would give picking out a donut with thier morning coffee..So maybe next time you are told a spouse has gone nuts & is threatening murder, howz' about maybe.... oh, gee, I dunno...when they show up murdered weeks later by THAT SPOUSES BROTHER, you TAKE HIM IN AND ACTUALLY INTERRIGATE HIM- and maybe ACTUALLY take in that spouse for that 72 hour hold, EVEN IF they giggle cute and tell you they take care of their kids? 😉💕
I think that moment she was staring off into space @ 16:44 was also her realizing that Charles is really dead and she almost has tears in her eyes but she fights it back.
Thank you both for your dedication to your audience.
my mom was constantly on the phone when I was a toddler. she scared
me ti ask for what i needed by yelling , "DONT TALK TO ME WHEN IM ON THE PHONE!!"
I never have been able to ask for what I need from the play pen I to Adulthood.
I get it, Tylee.
Thank you for this video about Tylee. Hope whatever was on your hearts today has been resolved. Your sorrow is almost tangible.
Tylee. My heart just breaks.
Listening to the song lyrics is heartbreaking as you think of Tylee. Sweet, beautiful girl. 🙏🏼
Ordered some shirts last week!! Can't wait for them to come!!
I feel Dr John you are saying that Lori was jealous of Tylee .My Mom was jealous of me too .I dont understand this , never have , why your own Mom would be jealous ?
Maybe Dr John will answer and give better insight but I believe my mom and stepmother were jealous of me as a teen. I didn't realize what was happening at the time but thinking back on it now I think they wanted to be able to relive those years and be beautiful, young and carefree again. They weren't happy in their lives and wanted to run around and have fun like I was doing. There's probably more to it in this sad story with Tylee but I think jealousy is fairly common for dysfunctional families.
@@Sara-hy1ru Thank you !
I think narcissistic people don't like having attention taken away from them. Good example is Mariah Carey and her mother, Pat.
I really love you two. You both are a bright light in our Universe. Thank you so much for opening your heart and soul with us. It is a true honor to be a subscriber. RIP Tylee...I feel better knowing you are now with your Dad and JJ.
Your partnership is very inspiring,l never met a man with brains .
I so enjoy listening to y’all!
I love you guys. Hope all is ok. Listening to you has helped me a lot. Thank you
Can you imagine what it was like for JJ when Tylee disappeared? All the anxiety and questions about where she is etc. Tylee was his person! He must have been in utter turmoil.
Thank you for your coverage of this case. I'm just coming to these videos now having watched your coverage of Lori's trial. Have you done any videos about the police forces involved and if they were thorough enough in their investigations from the start? Poor Charles wasn't listened to and there were so many missed opportunities it seems. My heart goes out the the family & friends of all involved, and especially Kay &Larry 🙏❤
Wow! Great insights - thank you!
Happy to see someone speak up for her. It seems like no family has spoken up for her.
It's soo horrible to think what Tylee went through when she realized they were going to kill her & her mom was a part of that! I truly believe the police could have saved Charles, Tylee, & JJ had they done the right thing & believed Charles' desperate cry for help to put Lori in a mental institution & locked her up right away after what she did to him prior to all this. I was so upset when I saw that video when she took his truck & stole his money then locked him out of his own home & the police did nothing to arrest her! Thanks...(fr.. L.O.)
Very upsetting and a beautiful tribute! 💜💜💜💜
She could probably hear her mother being questioned, you can hear them in the background.