How To Properly Negotiate with Narcissists Feat Dr Ramani
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I can't wait to see you all there!🥰
Wow get rid of the Lawyer.. tactics
Thank you both! Great information!
Your program is excellent - my sister used it and she got everything she wanted in the settlement and got the self confidence boost that has resulted in multiple promotions at work! If you’re stuck with a narcissist- get the program - you need it!!
Wish i knew 20 yrs ago, that i was dealing with a very dangerous man, i didn't even know these people existed for years i felt guilt , pain and than i lost my kids to the Covert Narcissist..Thank goodness he cant help who he is so he turned on his own kids, now i had the chance to recover them. Its been a very difficult journey but i learned about parent alienation and i did what i had to do to save my now grown babies. I dont thinknill ever recover from all the abuse, ive just learn to live with my internal scars🙏❤
What a great meeting! I worked as a judge for over 30 years. At my point of view, every judge must know how to unmask narcissists - of course there are narcissistic judges.
There are narcissistic judges? No way
I cannot imagine what life would look like if all attorneys and judges knew what narcissistic Personality Dissorder looks like. Maybe Real Authentic Justice, sad that, that can only be hoped for or imagined!
I need to find an attorney who is educated about narcissists and has successful outcomes dealing with them. My current lawyer has only made ONE attempt to communicate with my NPD husband's attorney 6 weeks ago and he has not called her back. I don't think he respects her and might be a narc himself! I feel a sense of urgency to get another lawyer in the Puget Sound area if anyone knows a great one. 🙏🙏🙏
@@milliesecond102 A lawyer knows a manipulator but they don’t always under stand what a NARS is. I had no clue myself for a long time. Iam in a two year divorce with a NARS. You need to know your personal facts, financial facts to give to your lawyer, and guid and insist with your lawyer what you are dealing with. After spending 85K on lawyers for 2 years and 3 lawyers, am now representing myself. I have experienced all that is discussed in this video. My advise get educated with Dr. Ramani get strong and stay on course do not let the N get to your head. It take time to get away from them and get yourself back in order to fight back. Get people around you as sounding board people friends that understand a Narcissist to help you stay on track and strong. You have to develop a shield against their behavior, and stay on course get what you want. Fight and do the best you can if you go down you gave a good fight and you didn’t lay down for them. Call out everything important don’t hold back, be thoughtful and have evidence, always communicate with email no phone call calls, emails is good evidence of manipulative behavior.
Lucila, attorneys don’t spend years to become an attorney then become a judge to become a stay at home parent. Someone else is doing it! Perhaps why judges can’t relate to stay at home caregivers, and are narcissistic...
Finally after seven years I will soon be rid of the narcissist in 45 days I will finally be divorced and I'am going to have the biggest party on the block
Let freedom ring
woop whoop !!🎉
I am in 4 years now….he submitted false taxes, lies & im on my 3rd lawyer
Congratulations! Merry Christmas and may the new year bring you much peace and happiness.
I will be in mediation with a narcissist on Dec. 22 with my 3rd attorney. Today is our 30th anniversary. It will be the best anniversary gift I could get. I will soon be free.
You know it's a horrific thing to wake up 25 years later and realize a narcissists was the lead in your life...its difficult to accept sometimes...Like wasting a lifetime and still trying to heal simultaneously is a hard pill to swallow...Its sad 😔
Stay strong! ❤
I hear ya, it sucks. 13 for me.
It doesn’t matter , work with all the experience and knowledge that you have now and transform it in something beautiful , like you . Work in yourself to bring you back to life , you have a great chance, you’re breathing today !!
Absolutely… I wasted 44 yrs , only to figure out “he’s “ , narcissistic & has OCD …workaholic , addicted to weed
@adrianamonroy1201 Very much appreciated:) sending blessings 🙌
My two favorite narcissist experts…together! So excited to see both on one channel! Thank you!!!
This is a very old video.
@@LEM19284 I just watched the very interesting video and thought that something wasn't right, because they both look different now! 😊
@@LEM19284 the information is timeless
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Great, surprised to see these two. How wonderful 💖
I LOVE LOVE LOVE seeing you two anti-narcissist superpowers joined together.
It's like having a real-life Justice League at my back!
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There is no such thing as a happy narcissist.... Nailed it.
if they get money
@@Sunspot780 if they keep getting money.
@@smitha1867 seems the transaction/ money is the only satisfying especially to keep up their bs they like to arc around whoever is their supply.
Yes, very impactful. It can really help to internaise this, Many of us who have had the misfortune of having to deal with one or more narcissists can find some solace in this, that their "karma" is just being them, every single waking second, minute and hour.
Louder!
I realised how predictable the narcissist is, it has become second nature to observe them.
Totally agree!
It’s so predictable I foresaw my inevitable divorce. She discarded me when I started to stand up for myself.
I was not looking for a fight, but I knew a fight was inevevitable, and necessary in order to protect my children. So I got an awesome lawyer to help me to not only fight fair, but also to fortify my defenses. Whether you want a fight or not, with narcissistic folks, a fight is unavavoidable.
I did the same thing
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For a while now, when I go for walks I listen to Dr. Ramani instead of music.
Nice to see this collab.
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So glad to see you both teaming up on some level to educate people on this satanic sickness...🙏✝️👏🙌
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Coercive Control is now criminalised in Australia 🇦🇺
If the one thing most narcissistic ppl are afraid of is being exposed/their reputation, my question is would it make a narc settle out of court so it’s not public?
Great question I wonder what kind of leverage you need I don’t see that I have any he doesn’t care
Coercive control is criminal in australia now? Damn, you have all your politicians right where you want them then.
In my experience no. Theyset out to destroy your creditability wih lies to keep their reputation
@@michaelhord in theory you can. In practice it usnt acted on
Listening to how narcissists appear to be determined in crazymaking behavior is so disheartening. I hope I never have to be in this situation.
Totally agree!
How fantastic to see two of my guiding lights YouTubing together. Keep up the great work, ladies. You can’t even imagine how many people like me you help just get through the day. Thank you both.
Okay.....My Two FAVORITE Gals - RAMANI & ZUNG........I love, love, love this. Am currently going through a nightmare of a divorce with a narc who keeps changing the game, moving the goal posts, and pulling the Lucy and Charlie Brown football trick. It's expensive, stressful, and a horrific waste of time. These monsters LOVE playing with us. We need to cage them and leave them be.
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"when worlds collide" extremely an understatement with these two. "When worlds combine/collaborate!" All impossible becomes possible. The two super powers together!.....there is no words to describe how great this pairing is! Reality is that much easier to accept with these strong & very intelligent women! I'd be so proud to be a woman, if I was. Thank you ladies for all the dedication & love you put into your fields. You two have saved me! Initially I thought It was a fan made video seeing these two sit side by side. Thank you
Thank you! ❤
I think the main thing with a narcissistic person is that they need to get everything they want, its all in their favor; while at the same time play the victim that they are having to sacrifice more then the other person
Louder!
My observation also is that narcissists never worry about justification, they think all they need is their rationalisation. It's as if they make up the laws in their head, so they never worry about checking if the laws give them right.
"You didn't pay on time, so we have no contract."
"I broke into your flat because I asked you to let me in and you never responded."
That’s my experience they make up their own rules as the bulldoze through life
My narc stabbed me because she accused me of taking a bag of chips! She didn't believe she would go to jail because " it was only over a bag of chips".
@@robinantonio8870 She didn't believe she would go to jail because she is a she also.
@@robinantonio8870 Wow, I really hope you're healing well from this terrible event.
When I thought my vehicle had been stolen because he took it without asking or even telling me: "I took your vehicle because it was more convenient for me"
I'm so glad the two of you have teamed up to support the people who have to deal with the insanity of a narcissist. What an important work you are doing.
Thank you both.
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Even after you settle, the narcissist will violate court orders!
Writing down everything definitely kept my sanity! Thank you ladies… my divorce hearing is coming up in about 1 week! thanks to Dr. Ramani, thanks to you I was able to figure out what was going on in my life, and live my marriage. Thanks to Rebecca’s videos I was able to stay strong to negotiate on things.
I'm in the early process of divorce after 12 years of marriage, how did things turn out for you?
Once you no longer are an Asset...
You are a liability! So right to never lose sight of that!
OMG... the twin titans of narcissistic awareness.
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I instinctively knew that my now, X was invested in a big long fight... so I settled bcs I knew I didn't have any fight left in me, I took lesser of everything just to gain my freedom. My marriage made me physically ill, chronically in pain. I just accepted the fact that No one "wins", in a divorce but my freedom and life beyond was my win! Best of Wisdom and luck to all who are 1) coparenting with one and 2) divorcing these types. My best advice is get into trauma therapy, the sooner the better!
Proud of you! You got this ❤
An apology from a narcissist is worthless - less than the gum on your shoe. Lol very satisfying to hear this and very very true.
This is why you've got to focus on their actions other than their words. They'll say things like I don't do drama, I'm not looking for a fight but their actions will show very clearly if they deal with dramatic people - they obviously like to be in the centre of an argument because they like to know all the goings on and who's said what and they'll insert themselves in your business trying to provoke you to get a reaction because they want to fight you.
great reminder
Totally agree!
Dr. Ramani, thank you for bringing up the vulnerable narcissist's. Going through a divorce with a covert passive aggressive narcist with ADHD. I'm so tired of dealing with him.
She's so brilliant! ❤
Thank you from my heart dear ladies. You are doing such important work for so many of us 🙏💚🌹
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Wow : what a discussion !
Thanks
I follow you both
Your inputs are so clear
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@@RebeccaZungEsq basically the narcissist doesn’t want to lose.
They always move the target of the finish line.
I think I have to listen again this discussion but from the get go insights insights insights
Those videos both you do helps me to understand
what is the narcissist’s game and ploy because I am part of the unicorns that sees good in people and will find excuses. Maybe too sheltered from the bad and evils.
Unicorn is Dr Ramani’s term.
I’m not mystical
Thanks for future cross overs.
I learned law is not justice.
I love this...the two most amazing experts of "Drama, Trauma & Chaos" and "All things Narcissism" together!!! Could my day get any better???
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Great talk! Did you know that emotional abuse (coercive control) is now illegal in the uk? Ireland too, I believe.
i love ireland, i am humbled to be irish too.
Good, file suit against all of your politicians for what they did to you for 2 years.
Excellent advice. I dealt with a Narcissistic husband and went through a horrible divorce and actually implemented much of what you said by instinct and learning to set boundaries based on the advice and books from wonderful counsellors. Also the words from biblical scripture on how we should handle conflict and enemies. I was able to let go and move on with my kids and I. Healing has been immense. My sister, Dad and I are still dealing with another difficult situation with my mother who is not only severely narcissistic herself but suffers from what seems to be a severe case of histrionic disorder, alcohol abuse, paranoia, you name it. This was a very abusive situation for all of us and my Father finally left the abuse to stay in my care. This has is dealing with a lot of PTSD. last year this time we cut off all ties with her and that was heart breaking. All the things you speak about, flying monkeys, being gaslit, slandered, lied about, falsely accused, family saying we need to just get over it, or why after all these years is he leaving of it was really so bad … we dealt with it all. So trust me your advice is music to our souls and ears and hearts. The physical abuse as well as mental and emotional abuse was more than I can bear at times but I chose to love her all these years just to have to endure more and more. all I can do is pray for her and keep a distance because I DO love her in spite of everything
Thank you for this post, So insightful
I’m on the other part of the earth in Taiwan and going through the exact situations in a different cultural contexts. I am a follower of Jesus and I have prayers as my support and only support. My childhood PTSDs led me to the a point of possibly no return and thoughts of self-harm to be free of my deep pains. I am getting help and also spend time carved out for just myself to learn, educate myself with self love as God loves me. For some strange reasons your words gave me hope and thank you. I will persevere.
@@edamameedamame1202 same! I learned my self worth in Jesus. I’m so grateful for the God that comforts and guides me.
You got this ❤
Thanks for collaborating!
Stay strong! ❤
Parental Alienation is a huge issue with narcissists. They’ve been known to alienate the child/children from the other parent. Narcissist has been also known to brainwash the child against the other parent. So, you have the alienating parent (the narcissist), the targeted parent (the alienated parent) and the alienated child (usually brainwashed).
This is the dream team for slaying the narcissist !!
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I wish that I was sitting with both of you to share my story to both audiences what narcissism does to you, your children, your family, friends, community, your credit, your phone, your children’s phone, teachers, alienation, healthcare professionals and the list goes on... They stop at nothing! Ladies, both of you nailed it. Keep up this great work “together”. It’s more powerful. I would like to see new legislation from the two of you! Maybe more judges will listen and stand up to this domestic violence through the court system and post degree terror. (Although I remember my Ex telling me that Judges can’t relate to stay at home moms because they didn’t spend years to become attorneys and Judges to raise children. One judge said in the comment “judges are narcissistic too”).
Proud of you! You got this ❤
You both saved my life in a sense. I always assumed that these people are to busy with their own thoughts ... AND THAT'S WHY they won't accept proof that they're wrong sometimes.
But I was fooling myself.
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But to me more dangerous are covert narcissist , because they avoid any conflict and still manipulate. in the end you feel like you are the narcissist, because you get angry or do strange things out of confusion and emotional dependency
100% correct .
Stay strong! ❤
Thank you so much for this collaboration, as I have learned the most from you both the past 2+ years.
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THE DREAM TEAM
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What a treat!! Both of my favorites in one place! Love this!
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Chock full of excellent advice, based on years of experience, given (free) by two very articulate, sensible and empathetic people. We must pay attention.
Never fight a narcissist. Don't even try to put a scratch on their ego!
Totally agree!
Excellent, thank you! 👌🌷
Two of my 'go to' and most favorite people to learn about narcissism and all the chaos that comes with them!
Isn't this great! Narcissists would be shaking in their shoes...if they had self-awareness.
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I like Rebecca's expression which is: "Hey -- don't be taking any crap!!" Awesome. I just wanted to say this, with the agenda being about: not taking any crap.
I've often heard people say they dislike lawyer's,Dr's,and shrinks? I've never loved two of the sort more in my life than right now. 40 years, yes, 40 ,and we separated for several years. I even relocated,and guess who got sucked back in? I did not know what i know now . I'm learning yes at 63, exhausted, yet not giving up on myself. I see everything with clear knowledge More so everyday.Thank-you! I can not tell you how much you both mean to me personally ❤also lisa Ramano and Eric from Costa Rica ..... I've been lost for a very long time.
I wish this information was around 30 plus years ago when I divorced my narcissistic husband. When I stood up for myself, I was physically and verbally abused. When I went through post partum depression I was told I was "f'd" in the head. Having no family to support me, I struggled through this and continued to until about 5 yrs ago. A lifetime of pain and it continues with my children!!! I believe narcissism is a learned behavior and the ex and his new wife drove a wedge between me and my children. They taught them to treat their own mother and other women/people horribly if you disagree or don't give them supply. Thank you both for doing this video!!
Kim, you describe a very familiar scene. It is heart breaking situation.🫂💙 Hugs to you and hope for healing between you and your beloved children.
Thank you! You got this! ❤
Ladies, you are both the BEST in your field! Together, however, you are a force to be reckoned with!
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My favorites on narcissism, Dr. Ramani and Rebecca Zung.
The team up i did not know I needed until now 😮
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2 great female thinkers of the 21st century.
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Yes a covert Narcissist is the worst. No body believed me until my son moved in, and witnessed it. If I could afford to get out, I would. This economic situation makes it impossible.
They move the target! Spot on! They ARE looking for a fight to win (imho) but would NEVER admit it. Love this dialogue between you two with each of you giving so much value.
Totally agree!
You BOTH ARE WONDERFUL! This is great that the two of you came together to present Narcissism. Thank you and please make more videos together 🙂😌☺️
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Wonderful to see both of you together giving out necessary knowledge and wisdom.
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Would love to see more discussions with my two favorite mentors on dealing with COVERT Narcs. I love how you share your different viewpoints. The covert narc I'm entangled with has flipped the tables said I physically abused her which would be abuse of a disabled person and her friend pulled a knife out and came at me because I was there. So she was acting like I was stalking her but she monitors me and goes where she knows I will be and taunts me. She has gotten away with this before. Ugh what a nightmare. U two are helping so many people and educating. Thank you.
I find it really great to see a video with you both together like this - because im following both of you and am now (even more) convinced that the knowledge shared by both of you can be seen as valid sources 👍
Two superb brains working together.
This video has been amazing. Both these ladies know their stuff! I've listened to them separately over the years, but having them together discuss both sides (attorney + psychologist) is nothing less than invaluable information. I recently used Rebecca's "Crush The Negotiation" in my divorce. I highly recommend anyone going through divorce, or any type of situation where negotiation is a factor, to read it. But don't just read it, APPLY it. It works. And, the confidence that you lack because of dealing with that narcissist for so long will become one of your greatest strengths. Thank you Rebecca and Dr Ramani ❤
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Wonderful to hear these two powerful women together ❤
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My narc wife lied on a motion she signed and we caught her in that lie and more. Likewise, she alienated my children against me. What she has done has hurt but now that the court is seeing it, it feels like my efforts of documenting everything has been worth it. People don't understand just how abusive these people can be.
Two brilliant women!!❤❤
I want to say you two are the best keep exposing the narcisist,people need to know about these evil people thank you
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Really helpful. I love when you both do content together. It covers a lot of angles. Thank you.
We got cards from my MIL for Christmas today, even when we had said not to send anything anymore a couple years ago. When I see them I am still boggled that she did not see anything wrong or have any guilt for disrespecting me all those years. We explained over and over until I got to the point where I felt like of I saw her or heard her voice I was gonna throw a chair through the window. Makes me sound like the abusive one, but I was at the end. I finally thought, I can get divorced, this must be why people get divorced! I felt trapped into dealing with both her and my narc mother. Anyway, they both were always slighted by anything innocuous while blatantly sabatoging other people and they felt entitled to it!
Stay strong! ❤
I love Seeing you Two Together !!!!! / Please Do More Videos Like This****
Very useful even with narcissist family members as you settle any legal matters
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Excellent collaboration, these two ladies have been instrumental in my divorce, moving on and healing. Thank you for the work you do.
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@@RebeccaZungEsq The knowledge of the behavioural patterns. Once I started watching these videos I was able to accurately predict the narcissists next move. It went from me desperately trying to understand what was happening, to being able to figure out an action plan. When the hoover occurred, it was pathetic - predictable and easy to shoot down because I saw it for exactly what it was.
I can not thank you enough for this priceless information. Only 6 moths ago I found Dr. Ramani and it was an eye opener,life changing, absolutely an amazing discovery .15 years in narcissistic relationship and you can imagine what I went through. I am so grateful to have you ladies at least on the Internet helping so many women/ men educating about narcissism. you are angels sent on earth.
Thank you both🙏🏻
He would actually set things up to make me think he was cheating to get a rise out of me.
This is the best video on co-parenting that I have ever seen
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2 honest and courageous women! thank you!
Smart and yet Humble enough to share their knowledge with all of us ..
In march 2000 my x signed over all parental rights in exchange for no child support. In the state of Florida. It was more important for me to protect my children from abuse.
Stay strong! ❤
So good to see the 2 queens of narcissistic content on RUclips doing a delightful duet!
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Just Tuning in for the help prepare myself for the nightmare of the divorce process that has just began after 12 years married to a monster that I didn't know he was.
OMGolly! My two faves do know each other I’m so excited!
Love seeing (hearing), you two working together.. we are really blessed 'your audience'.. thank you both.. don't stop...
Seeing you and Ramani, and Ramani and other insightful (ie with lived expertise) people, who cannot be so easily discredited as 'us', has restored me to my sanity and mission to BE love, in my life, for me, today. Thank you for your work in our toxic, alienated, alienating, hostile, anti-human, world today. THANK YOU!!
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This was a power packed session, thank you beautiful ladies, much appreciated ❤️ 🙏
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I've lived with so many narcs throughout my life, listening to podcasts like yours helped me realize what or whom I've been dealing with.
Two legends in one frame 🙌🏻
It struck me as odd Crossed arms' is perhaps the most common body language gesture that we come across in our day-to-day lives. Crossing arms across the chest is a classic gesture of defensiveness. This defensiveness usually manifests as discomfort, uneasiness, shyness, or insecurity.
Way to go Becky ! Very informative and interesting! ❤
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This conversation is worth a million dollars. I’m traumatized by narcissists husband. I want sorry and thank you from him. And 50/50. How come this is not fair to narcissists
Oh wow, I love you both!! Thank you for all you do guys!!
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Thankyou so much... This is a life saver
Thank you Ladies for your great advice on narcissists and dealing with them.
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Awesome! With Dr. Romani !
Great meeting!!!❤ My favourite experts!
omg the two brilliant ladies that i listen to!
Love how Rebecca clarifies legal definitions verses perception
Wooow our two favourite ladieesss!!! 😍🤩👍👍💞
Many judges think like normal people and don’t understand how narcissistic behavior works!!!!!
If the narc is proven to be a blatant liar in court, does the judge generally lean away from the narc regarding division of property/alimony? My narc (attorney wife) divorce suit foundation is filled with blatant lies easily provable as such. She was blinded by being a narc it impaired her legal logic. Classic case of narc lying when they didn’t even have to. Divorce suit is weaponized towards me to make me look crazy, w reckless, stupid, liar, etc…a beautiful case study in narcissism.
Two of my faves! 🤩🥳
So thankful for the collab!! Love yall both 💓
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Dr. Ramani seems very hurt by a narcissist so talks less positive about them. Thank you Rebecca for your awesome help understanding the narcissists and how to deal with them.
Yeah I sense that too…🤔🤔🤔
Stay strong! ❤
@@RebeccaZungEsq Thanks!
You are a beautiful, powerful, and intelligent woman. You've helped me and continue to help me daily. I only wish you were here in NJ and representing me against my soon to be narc ex wife. Lawyers that I've spoke with brush off narcissism and act like they don't want to hear about it. I guess they hear it so much and it's quite common for exs to call each other narcissists. As my case went on, both my attorney and her attorney now see what I was talking about. Her attorney badmouthed her to my attorney. She's his problem now.
Love these 2
Thank you both Dr Ramani and Ms. Rebecca Zung for this valuable video. Very informative 👍👏
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thank you. I admire both of you for what you do!
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Thanks to both of these ladies. I feel confident going into my divorce with a malignant narcissist wife who is a surgeon.
The 1st time I was in court when she was attacking me, I stayed calm and didn't move a muscle (my emotions were tweaking son)! It Worked like a charm, and her attorney and to backpedal fast