Interview with Julie Jackson, a once "follower" of Julie Rowe
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Some consider Julie Rowe a spiritual healer and visionary. She runs a non-profit and was once connected to Chad Daybell. But Julie Jackson says Rowe is a cult leader, and someone she once followed. Julie Jackson reached out to podcast host Lauren Matthias at the Chad Daybell trial; ready to share her story, after attending the Chad Daybell trial and after listening to another interview on our channel. Julie Jackson says she followed Julie Rowe and was in a cult. Now she is deconstructing and ready to share her story.
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Girl on fire is probably the best interview you’ve ever done pertaining to this case and Chad’s belief system. @hidden true crime
@@mckenna9489which one?
I will have to watchbthis.
I have to say this, with the strongest voice. Julie Jackson, you are giving Julie Rowe TOO MUCH POWER! Don't cry on camera, don't talk about her abuse in a way she will later hear. Ms Rowe has no humanity, she feels no empathy. She is like Chad in that they are incapable. Somehow, there's a deep flaw; who knows the cause. Was there a lack of love as a child? Rowe claims she was sexually abused. Perhaps she was. Her growth was not only stunted (like Chad seems to experience) but her personality has morphed into something more devious. I knew two such individuals like her. They both made up stories to gain sympathy and then, power. Both knew there was something wrong, at one point, each confided but it was a brief moment of weakness. Sometimes, if there is a mental health condition, the person will recognize there's something wrong, seeks help at a reasonably young age but if they don't and grow older without getting help, the problem worsens. The mental health condition may not be controlable with medication. Emotional trauma can trigger problems which only grow without help. I'm not making excuses for Rowe. I'm illustrating that if you show weakness, pain or emotional injury, she will only feed off of that. She has no remorse, she incapapble. It provides her with proof she has control over the peope around her. Stop giving it to her. It is these sorts of people who are drawn to cult-like beliefs. They see a way to obtain control over people while at the same time, receive the worship they crave. In this way, Julie Rowe, Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have the same seriously flawed personalities. I've learned some things about Lori's familiy which explain why she was a narcissist. I haven't yet found what Chad's origins are unless he was a middle child. Does anyone have a Chad Daybell child history? The evidence suggests Lori was promiscuous, over-sexed. The great majority of promiscuous girls have been either raped, sexually abused or something quite similar.
Has anyone ever been told that in their previous life they were just a nobody? Gross bunch of grifters!!!
Exactly ❤
Top comment!
My favorite people are "nobody".
Exactly this whole past lives crap is nutzs try being a good person in this life.
Only queens and goddesses.
Julie Rowe looks totally unhinged and scary as hell.
Right?! All the "beauty" filters in the world can't hide that darkness, good grief!
She doesn't look scary. She looks immature and full of ego.
I agree she looks scary- demonic!!
8.9 Dark for sure!
and cant dance!!
Julie Rowe calling herself crazy and a predator may be the first truth she's spoken in a long time. I am genuinely surprised that she hasn't been the subject of a mental health hold. She is a danger to herself and others
well she does say her name is julie. i believe her!!
Julie Rowe and Chad Daybell were 2 peas in a pod. Their belief system needs to be continually exposed.
Power and adoration is what drives these two and it has cost people’s lives.
Julie Jackson…thank you for your courage in coming forward.
How is this woman not locked up?
Julie Rowe’s mental health is worse than I thought!
Yeah, I don’t think she should be called as a witness. I don’t like her even a little bit, but as of now, she is not sane, IMO.
Her energy is off.
Julie Rowe is most definitely a predator.
Mental health could be narcissistic personality traits. Julie Rowe is a predator.
@@justkiddin84I cannot imagine anyone would risk putting her on the stand.
Julie's audacity about money reminds me of Chad asking his neighbors to bail out Lori.
Exactly what I thought !
Is she liable for anything in these cases?
Yes they feel very entitled and like everyone should hand over their home savings etc
exactly
And Jodi Hildebrandt
I’m an atheist who has simplified my life down to “does this do harm to myself or others?”
Life really is that simple.
I have the same philosophy. In similar fashion I say that my rights end where the next person's begin. These beliefs have served me better in life than any church ever did.
@@whoopsydaisy6389 you actually said it better than I did. I think we both came to a similar conclusion. ❤️
💯agree 👍
Except sometimes we humans can be blinded to how things that seem innocent can lead you down to a harmful path. It can get to the point where one would have to ask themselves, "How did I get here ?!?!"
Be well and be at peace.
@@dz7a756 I’m unsure about what your comment is saying? Are you saying that we as humans sometimes need a “higher power” to guide us?
Or are you just saying that humans have the ability to make bad decisions? Because I agree we can make bad decisions. But if you address each situation with is this decision going to be harmful? You can self correct. You don’t need some outside force to guide you. Because outside forces can just as easily guide you in a bad direction.
The fact that Julie Jackson decided to come out and own her role in the madness after Larry's call out shows me that she's on a right path, that she hears the call of conscience in her and she should follow it. She apparently still has a lot of healing to do; I truly send her my best wishes and love.
I don't get that. JJ is trying to expose the evil-ness of Julie Rowe. And she is trying to wake up the people that still follow her..
@@tamaraelsberry6630 I didn't say anything contrary to that?
The fact that people believe these things is so scary
The fact that so many LDS people believe it is wild!
And this girl is not completely well yet 😢
It’s hard to believe this stuff happens.
I know
@@FearIsaLiar CLEARLY.
Julie needs to be in prison for starting a fake charity and using the donations to fund her lifestyle!
They were dumb enough to donate blindly and not even verify where their money was going. The people funding her r culpable also.
@@nataliesharif2167don't call them dumb. You have no idea the psychological stuff goes on with these people
@@nataliesharif2167 The vulnerable need to be protected from themselves - especially someone who describes themselves as an “apex predator”
@sionnach3104 It was Julie Rowe who told Julie Jackson that she was an apex predator.
Sounds like most organized religions and charities with 80+% operating costs.
Insanity. All of it. and yes, Larry is correct. Every single person who stood by and allowed Charles, Tammy, JJ and Tylee to be murdered should be behind bars.
Truth 💙
💯
I'm so disgusted that, after Lori told Zulema that Tylee had to be freed, when Zulema visited Lori in Rexburg and Tylee was nowhere to be seen, but never said anything to the police or anybody.
I ran a successful nonprofit for years. If Rowe was putting this donated money toward a nonprofit, there are tax rules, federal and state compliance laws that she has to follow. She needs to be audited. And if she did not have a nonprofit, she needs to claim these donations as income.
Here's a scary thought: these are grown-ass women with children.
Thesecmeaning Julie and others, not this interviewee, IMO
And grown-ass men with children. And kids being raised up in this mess. Your low-key judging doesn’t help, either. And it can happen to anyone given the right circumstances.
And possibly firearms.
Reminds me of the crazy Q types..
And they vote.
Hearing Larry express himself like that is so powerful. Simplifying the whole of the situation like he did in a sentence. “Let’s pray for others to die” a seven year old autistic child.
I just had tears and anger overflow. So grateful you posted his words and the truth.
I was thinking this too. I’m glad he said it so blatantly!
Larry made a great point. These people thought they were so great and yet they were so messed up they would pray for a small child to die.
@@grettagiesbrecht5772Yes, and ALL these people knew and NO ONE did ANYTHING.
How sad that she is grateful for Julie R and the "gifts" she got from her. If your "betterment" is hinged to actual cult leading, children killing, crazy people, then shame on you.
100%
"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."
-George Orwell
Truer words were never spoken.
THIS.
Julie (this one) is beginning a deconversion process. She is early in the process and I applaud her. It will take her time to deconstruct the beliefs. Its really hard because she was indoctrinated since a young age. I wish Julie well on her path of truth. ✌
I agree with this comment so much!
Well said. Thank you.
I agree I wish her well
Agree I’m glad she opening her eyes to the truth of the brainwashing.
It is called a A”con”, she is a thief and robbed you all by playing on your good heart.
THIS !!
I was going to comment the same Julie Rowe is your run of the mill psychopathic con person
“Energy exchange “ can’t roll my eyes hard enough
Absolutely!!!!!
Yes 👏🏽
True story. XO
Send this interview to the IRS and any other financial government entity and have JR audited!! She will face fines, lose her house, and probably do prison time. That would be KARMA!!
Right! Is anyone paying attention? That’s why there’s so many scammers with churches and nonprofits.
She doesnt have a house she lives in her damn car. Thats why alk videos are in her car. Chad was just chasing her. As soon as he got Lori he didnt have anymore þo do with her. He dìdnt want her anymore because she didnt want to share the spot light
I wonder how many PPP Covid loans she received? How many did any of these people receive??
@@cindyfrasheski3910 Ive heard several times that she built a large home. And this Julie mentioned it was about 10k sf.
And one of her videos Julie Rowe she said that she rescued people from human trafficking in all realms on other planets literally those words I sent that to the IRS they did nothing.
She is still using rating systems. She needs to be in therapy to be deprogrammed. She is still scared of Julie Rowe. This is soooo sad how messed up these people have become.
I agree, now everyone is a number. She needs mental health care.
I noticed that too. This was a very informative interview but I switched to being really concerned for her after one hour
But healing takes time. Best to her 🙏
I agree that it's concerning. I hope she's getting the help she needs.
I noticed this too. Is this really that different than chad and Julie’s numbers? This Julie does need more help
She was just re-telling the story. She doesn't still believe in the rating system.
Book recommendation: The Sociopath Next Door. Julie's a classic. Don't try to understand a crazy person-distance yourself.
Yessss
Great book
Such a great book. I think it would help many to read it and realize that when sociopaths are involved in this Fringe VOG beliefs it can lead to these horrible outcomes
Amen (yes)
It’s terribly narcissistic to claim be the most famous people in their past lives. 🤦♀️
Yes, they are never a scullery maid or a beggar
And not shit in their current life😂
As well as that they can become Gods.
Great comment.
We’ve all been Cleopatra at one time or another 😂😂😂
Well if we had any question about her mental state, we don’t anymore.
I'm glad you're doing this interview. But after the interview, you need to shake the dust from your shoes and walk away from anything. Julie Rowe, don't even give it another thought. Just to Clarify I mean Julie Jackson to walk away and don't give Julie Rowe another thought.
Not Just Julie Rowe, this Julie Jackson too.
@@lauriestaltari7107she won't do that. Guarantee it.
@@nataliesharif2167 no i meant Julie Rowe At least Julie Jackson is trying to change her life. And she's just hyper about it and I don't blame her. This will all settle down for her.
@@lauriestaltari7107 they r both NUTS! numbers and rating people got her I to the 1st mess and she us doing it again! They r just too gullible for me. But I'm just a dumb atheist what do I know?
I’m starting to think that many people don’t know what the word “truth” means. It’s a little terrifying.
I certainly hear a lot of people call it "my truth" rather than "the truth"
because they no longer do, truth and common sense has been left by the side of the road - it's honestly frightening.
Throughout the interview I kept thinking ‘yep that’s how a narcissist work’ ‘that’s how you feel after being used and abused by a narcissist’ I hope you find continued peace and growth.
You can say it. It is a cult.
Cults (plural). The LDS religion is a cult too.
@@Sin-D_ exactly what I'm saying.
THIS, THIS and THIS !!!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 💯
@@Sin-D_ Yep, sure is!
It’s scary to know there are so many people with these unhinged beliefs. Chad and Lori, Julie Rowe, Ruby and Jodi, etc. How many more are there running loose out there?? 😮
They are all being exposed.
@@tammymorgan9870Are they? I feel like there are too many for the media and cops to keep up with. There is an MLM side to this as well.
...Add Tim Ballard to that list!
And what is it about the morman church that leads to these radical offshoots? I think the Morman church needs to take a stand and make sure their members understand that these radical belief systems are not of God.
There was also that Morman mom who kidnapped her teenage son, Blaze Thibaudeau because she thought he had an important role to play in the 2nd coming. Thankfully, he was found and returned to his father.
Listening about Julie Rowe is like trying to look away from a train wreck happening...
Why is Julie Rowe not in an institution? I've been asking this for years? Can't believe she remarried. Who is that crazy to marry her?
Is she divorced again?
I heard she is getting divorced from her second husband. @@Amora-pk1oo
I heard she's getting divorced to husband #2. @Amora-pk1oo
Con artists have the gift of discernment - the ability to perceive who is susceptible to their bs and manipulation. They don’t waste their time on the non-gullible.
Amen 🙏
Abusers have that same gift.
Mic drop. You sooooo nailed it with this comment.
without a hint of a doubt - TRUTH! as though they don't realize it themselves. effortlessly sift through dozens of ppl and intensely target the 2-factor...how gullible (to craft their lies) and how useful (to determine the trash time, if needed). an entire mental game. they do not want useless ppl around them but their ego can't have someone too smart, pretty, rich, etc. JR found someone to listen to her b.s. but what is the payoff...someone to do her hair for free and to believe her lies. that right gullible click, JR knew she was sad and depressed. uplift her and use her skills while not really pushing in the clutch...say she will turn against her. bingo. she has your secrets and thinks loyalty will hide them. a skillful setup.
No they dont
I'm with Grandpa Larry... why didnt at least one of you call Chad & Lori out! At one of your stupid meetings, in front of everybody, online somehow!😊
You realize she didn't know Chad and Julie. She wasn't part of that circle.
They were all in a cult trance, living a fantasy game where they were heroes "getting rid of zombies." This is what cults do. Horrifying!
And all participating in castings knowing if they were successful the body had to die/be killed. Did they think it was just pretend? They should all be held accountable.
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain Instead of admitting they were duped they double down and go all in over and over again.
Yep. Orange Jesus, anyone?
I am British and what I'm trying to work out is why is this crazy religious nonsense is like an epidemic in America . This doesn't happen in England. Why is that
Religion is big business in the US, the biggest one there is. Religious institutions are exempt from paying federal, state, and local income and property taxes. The grift is REAL
@@marisapolesky3416 thank you. It all seems to be money orientated
I‘m from Slovenia and hooked on this cultish stories because I can‘t believe how successful they are..
@@soulie1971 yeah I can't believe gullible people there are. If you talked like this about religion here people will give you a wide berth. Failing that a straight jacket lol
Our mental health services aren’t perfect but they are free and we have a culture of seeing qualified therapists rather than “praying the depression away” or seeing church counsellors.
That and we managed to foist religious fanatics like the puritans off on to the USA in the 17th century
Julie, thank you for exposing A FRAUD ! You are very brave and I am proud of you!
Shes really opened my eyes to what goes on. These kind of people like Rowe can make one question their own ability to distinguish between reality and delusion. I have been susceptible to that too. A girl I know has spent thousands on these so called healers etc and her life seems to be destroyed. I did try it too and it warped my mind its very dangerous and hard to explain this case is such a good example of what's going on that no one has been really talking about and its all money with these people i doubt theyare paying taxes..the lady i followed was saying we need to get the message out to the world but its costing everyone money surely it d be free if god wanted us all to know this information?.
Larry speaks the truth!! We are all with you Larry & Kay!!🩵💜
… and meanwhile back in the world of reality, four people (two CHILDREN) were killed. That’s all that matters. So many adults did nothing to protect two innocent children. Sick.
She bawling ab losing money. This is so tone deaf. She needs help and not empathy/sympathy from others who so desperately want “community.” I’m sure her kids want a sane mother but we all make due! Hopefully someone in her life isnt falling for the sob story and is encouraging her to pull her head out of her *** and touch grass or face reality.
I’m trying to be sympathetic but this is too much stupidity for me.
She’s trying to figure out how her mind was scrambled by someone she trusted. I have been there, took years. Give the woman a break people.
Appalling that there are many more that could have prevented these deaths but did not speak out. Hoping there will be accountability for those in the near future.
I’ve read a lot harsh comments which is disappointing. Julie Jackson has openly said she’s been getting help and quite honestly I understand why she’s so frustrated and confused… she’s FINALLY speaking her truth, this is helping her untangle the mess so BE KIND.
She’s a kind, sensitive, loving person and so brave. I admire your strength Julie. So much love & respect to you xx
❤
Agreed. There are a lot of stones. We all live in glass houses. ❤
I don't think anyone can think Julie Rowe is spritual or "light" after that totally insane mental clip.
Exactly!!!!
I’m so grateful to Julie Jackson for coming forward. It must be excruciatingly difficult to go public with what you know when the very act of going public reveals humiliating truths about yourself.
I would die of embarrassment if people knew some things about my past - and my past is relatively innocent…
Because you are so self-aware & have consciousness, you have humility & learned from your mistakes. These older desperate women are not like you, they dont see their own flaws as others do, but cling to their childish illusions & refuse self-responsibility (often playing victim after participating in social crimes). Julie & Chad charmed them with lies that they were biblical queens with superpowers and afterwards, all of them blame the LDS Church. Yet after they were questioned, everyone of them, both Melanies, both Julies & Zulema all knew that speaking for Jesus, opening portals, divination of deaths, claiming to be a prophet or famous biblical character, or believing a game of rating people evil or good VIOLATED their faith. And now they get to be famous on the internet, seen also as victims, feeding their prideful ego's even more. Do they want to confess & make amends or repair their images & paint themselves innocent all over again? They all enabled Julie & Chad because it made them feel excited & special & they could slander their enemies as "demons" twisting the bible for their own ends. I dont think they really have remorse so much as they fear the public seeing them as self-centered & cruel. Only HEATHER DAYBELL stood her ground & rejected Chad & Julie's BS prophecy & delusions of grandeur because she was self-aware & self-responsible, even when her community rejected her, because she knew it would lead to darkness. We should all be like Heather & follow our heart not our pride or we all fall.
I don’t think Julie has ANY reason to feel humiliated for sharing her story. She is a beautiful, trusting soul who was taken in by an evil con artist, and con artists are VERY good at what they do. I’m grateful to Julie for sharing her story too, and I’m happy she’s on the path to wellness. ❤
@@enlightndark6671It sounds like Matt agreed with Heather and supported her.
Excellently said!
I have tried to share the same sentiments.
It's middle schoolantality with a bunch of lazy entitled bored losers. @@enlightndark6671
@@enlightndark6671they were pushing their way onto her land chad thought he could just take it.. he's really something else.
Awe, Larry Woodcock reminds me so much of my sweet, humble God FEARING uncle. Bless you Larry for seeking and demanding justice.
I just watched a major trainwreck, but I couldnt look away.
Disturbing!!!
*note when someone tells you you should be friends because you knew each other in a past life or they heard something about you from “the other side” -run.
Why do reincarnation believers seem to think they were famous people?
Lol and 💯 😂
Run fast……
It honestly sounds like a bad pickup line, “I just really feel like we were together in a past life.” 🙄
Words of wisdom
Julie Rowe needs a straight jacket
And a visit from the IRS
Yes!! 100%
Sent off to Arkham Asylum, with The Joker, if it was real.
And an office. WtF. Does she live in her car?
Agree that lady is beyond crazy.
Since these horrible events, it appears to me that these people in the offshoot of the LDS church are so juvenile in their adult development.
Yes! They all share similar vocabulary, cadence, mannerisms, etc.-just like a bunch of teenage girls. It’s bizarre.
It isn't an offshoot of the LDS church. No relationship at all. JR hates LDS!
Mental health is no excuse for hurting people
Julie R needs to be in PRISON
For what? Did she commit crimes?
@@greenman6141 YES, she's a grifter and a thief!
@@greenman6141sure looks like she has a fake charity and she’s using donations on herself… that’s very illegal.
What I'm hearing is these people like money and power. They don't worship Jesus. They worship other people, money, power, and they hurt anyone that gets in thier way. It's not just about being a good person. You're supposed to be reborn by excepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Except that he died on the cross for our sins. We all fall short. You ask God forgiveness and go and sin no more. I don't know if I could forgive ppl that are murders, but they better hope God will, bc if he doesn't there's a place in hell for all these ppl that didn't do something to stop the murders of JJ, Tylee, Charles, and Tammy. This lady needs to get away from these people period. Read a KJV Bible. Make a relationship with Jesus. Take care of your family and quit worrying about these people. God will take care of them. Find some peace, because where you are at is not in a good place. You'll never find peace being around these people.
@@greenman6141 You could start with an investigation for fraud. That NFP sounds like a fund for Julie.
Mass hit the tax department to audit Julie Rowe. She needs to be held accountable!
YES!
Unfortunately these people have so much money or so much following or so much power that the IRS just crumbles at their feet. Look at The Mormon Church. Look at Scientology. CORRUPT systems that nobody at the top seems to want to oust.
What do you mean? Would she have received cash though?
What? Why would you wish the IRS on anyone? What you're suggesting is lawfare and just as bad if not worse than anything Julie Rowe has done, because it can adversely affect other people.
Julie Rowe is BSC, but she didn't kill anyone ( as far as we know).
@@cwassellful embezzling money or conning people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars is harmful. It’s
not murder by any means but it’s a good reason for the international revenue service to look into it. So many people create nonprofits so they can hide behind it and gather a lot of money with no taxes. There are plenty of actual nonprofits that don’t do this but the ones that do should be investigated.
Another tragedy that comes from Julie Rowe is the Spring Thibaudeau and her two kids story and her brother Brooke. Spring was Julie's "scribe"
Julie is scary
Oh I forgot about that connection!
Julie Rowe is like Jody Hildebrand
Great analogy.
Why hasn't Julie Rowe been charged for thieft and harassment .
agree--if people gave her money (donations) for a cause they have every right to know how the funds were spent. If she refuses I don't see why the donors couldn't go to the DA's office to see if they have a case.
Hopefully after the trial and everything is over she will be arrested. I think we should all pray for that, maybe in a group chat, or a portal? OK let's all meet at the portal at 6:00, don't be late!
😅 😅 😅
Fraud for not really having a nonprofit
@@jcny11 yes--can you imagine an episode of "American Greed" narrated by Stacy Keach describing her?
Chad sure knows how to pick them. The best thing that ever happened to him was Tammy and he was too stupid to realize it.
This message is for "THIS JULIE" sorry I don't know your @. Julie Jackson, I think you are truly an amazing person, based on just watching this video! The way you explained how you originally got sucked into "rowe's" delusions make so much sence. She is a preditor! You were at your lowest. That's what preditors do, they go after the vulnerable! I don't think anyone will judge you after watching this. I think we can tell you have a beautiful heart & because of that, you couldn't even start to imagine someone being so truly evil. Please continue taking care of YOU! All of the truth is finally coming out & bright lights, like yourself...are finally able to shine again! Thank you for telling your story, you are so brave!
❤
Julie Jackson is a lovely person. We need to have compassion for her as we all make mistakes in life. I think she needs to sue that Julie Rowe.
JR has lost her mind....she is unhinged
Yes. She is intolerable. Bizarre.
Scary unhinged
It needs to stop!!!! 🛑
Did she ever have it?
@@dakalodk the belief is dangerous! This is a great interview, Change is needed and this is a start, for that I am thankful
How come those believing in reincarnation were only famous people in past lives? Height of narcissism !
Julie, you can never "figure out" a broken mind. I hope you can release yourself from that burden; it's not yours to carry. My heart breaks for you and your poor sweet family. She's completely out of her mind delusional and a narcissistic psychopath to boot. Bless you all and thank you so much for sharing your story. It wasn't your fault.
Everytime i see Julie Rowe this song plays in my head! "They´re coming to take me away, Haha, they´re coming to take me away, Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm, Where life is beautiful all the time
And I´ll be happy to see
Those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they´re coming to take me AWAY,
HA HAAAA"
She gives me the CREEPS
Well that video of Julie Rowe was terrifying. Now that looked like a demon.
Demons do NOT exist!
@@greenman6141how do you know?
@@ipsosmaati1971 I know this for many reasons.
One of them is as follows:
Is there any credible, non "faith based" evidence of demons existing?
Is there credible, observable evidence that human beings: lie, fabricate, are credulous, believe almost anything.?
For people who claim to believe in demons, do they also claim to believe in many other wholly unsubstantiated things? Do they live amongst other people who claim to have beliefs in unsubstantiated things? What is the education of these people?
That's just a little bit of a start for you.
I think that was the whole point (which I found kind of comical really). This isn’t to say that I find her “teachings” comical; I find her truly disturbed, but I felt this particular display was for effect.
Demon, was my first thought of Julie in the car
Julie Rowe spreading jr high gossip drama among adults🙄🙄🙄
my thought exactly
The lack of self-control reminds me of someone much younger. Fourth grader maybe?
. . . and adults sticking WITH her after that!
Lauren, you are truly gifted. Your ability to create a safe space for people to share their stories is honorable. You are full of grace and compassion. If only some of the vulnerable people in the circle had been surrounded by grace rather than evil. The hidden gems are so gracious and thoughtful in comments and that is a testament to you and Dr. John.
I know this is a corner of the “interwebs” but one thing I do recognize is this lady is being VERY honest and embarrassingly vulnerable in a way that I recognize as a former Pentecostal. I’m simultaneously sorry for her and super grateful that she is being so honest and vulnerable. I think her vulnerability is valuable and not just for this particular case.
This case is utterly tragic
But Julie Jackson actually has a lot of valuable stuff to say about fundamental religious systems
Go well Julie.
As a person who has travelled out through religiosity… exploring atheism.. and somewhere in between I appreciate her journey and choices.
I’m glad you spoke out
What the heck is Julie Rowe doing?? Sitting in her car making weird hand motions?? What a hot mess... I hope no one is taking her seriously anymore. OMG!
She is still having and appearing at events.😣
A lot of those hand gestures are what free mason's, illuminati use. I watched a detailed documentary out of curiosity.
@@justkiddin84 And people are paying her their hard earned money?? UGH!
Sign language maybe any know if she is using sign languish, or just fkg with their TikTok’s to these friends of hers
Im not positive but I’ve seen other people do it and they are saying something about lay lines (not sure if I’m spelling it right). Whenever I’ve pressed them they don’t have a real answer other than they’re trying to change the vibration of the earth or something. I may be getting the details wrong.
Wow, Rowe is quite unhinged - I think it’s pretty evident at this point that she’s mentally unwell.
I just think it’s typical narcissistic rage- no one is being a mirror for her so she throws tantrum to the void. Look at me! Look at me! Remember with narcs they just see you as supply either with money or as a mirror to reflect themselves back- take away their mirrors and you see this kind of rage.
@@Guitarbarella 100%
There is still a lot of healing to be done. I can tell this has been cathartic for Julie Jackson. I hope she gets a good therapist.
I knew Julie Rowe was a grifter, but WOW 👀🥴🤦♀️. I hope her followers find this interview. 🗑️🤡💩
Julie Rowe is terrifying. She looks possessed...😱 This is who Chad got his beliefs from? Yikes...😮
She's also the woman she Chad allegedly had an affair with.
Agree 💯
@@snowwhite2524She definitely looks like the type.
@@snowwhite2524yeah well that's just a rumor and we probably shouldn't spread that 🧐
@@astrialindah2773 That's why I used the word, "allegedly."
The sadness of alienation can lead to some really weird shit. Humans search for connection and become vulnerable to absolutely batshit crazy ideas
This. Just because some wouldn't accept it through healthy discernment doesn't mean that the perfect storm doesn't happen in some people to think otherwise.
Poor Larry, he has every right to be pissed off! God bless him & his wife! 🙏🙏♥️♥️
Hearing Julie Rowe on this video makes me wonder what her intentions were when she showed up at chads trial
I think she is on the witness list and wants to be dismissed. She will admit to watching trial o line etc. Just a theory.
Why are these people never Becky the scullery maid in another probation?
😂😂😂 Right?! Ridiculous this crap is and can’t believe people fall for this! 😂😂😂
Lol.
Amazing how Julie Rowe was only famous people in past lives
Yeah noones bill the farmer ,
😂
To claim Ann Frank is beyond disgusting
I read that book, Visions of Glory, when it first came out. I could not believe that people believed it. Wowee! I had a few friends who got all excited about it and felt it was true. Use the gospel as a measuring stick. Please tell me why this guy Spencer would receive instruction for the whole church? It begins and ends there for me.
Yes, and they do these for $$$ cuz a bunch of grifters, like Nexium
Excellent interview Lauren. Amazing❤ You let Julie tell her story without interruption. Thank you
Congratulations to this young woman for seeing the light, recognizing the cult(s) she was in, and finding the strength to say “No!” and walk away. Stay strong and always be true to yourself.
❤
@@loverainstorm3117I hope you’re doing well. To the recipient some comments might sound harsh but it’s just that your experience is so foreign to many of us… In my country for example you don’t encounter LDS besides missionaries & I’m an atheist, I just love my fellow humans.
Anyway your experience must have been traumatic and I hope this was cathartic to you. 😘
@@javieratoledo9262…was not raised in a church, never read the Bible….truth, love everyone,throw that love around, but be careful with whom you like, liking is the stuff that you give out sparingly….God asks us to love all His children and Jesus says not to throw your pearls to the swine. Jesus is saying not throw away our mental health/riches by liking the wrong people.
Lauren thank you so much for having Julie on she is my niece and I needed so much to hear this
Wishing you both peace and joy! Julie is so strong to have done this. ❤
Hi Julie's Aunt! It sounds like Julie could benefit from a professional therapist specializing in deprogramming. She really has been through it and showing up to help is such a positive step forward. Wishing you and your family healing.
Incredible courage and integrity... what a sweet person. She is hanging off a limb here being so vulnerable on media. I hope she feels support from here, bc many of us feel great respect.
Thank you both for being vulnerable ❤❤❤
@@NonameforyoudangitI agree. She needs a lot of healing. ❤
Replay crew here. Thank you for sharing your story and your truth with us, Julie! I wish you love and light in your healing journey ❤.
Thanks Julie for being brave and honest!
The circle of jerks is WAY bigger than i thought!
They “filled a tabernacle” so much bigger than I thought as well
BS its time to stand up and say "Enough of this shit!" Listen to Larry! Dont worry about destroying Julie Rowe!
Amen!
I don't think anybody's trying to destroy Julie Rowe. I think they're trying to understand her and possibly even help her. Sharing experiences bring things to light. Nothing wrong with it.
I Agree. Who should really care about Julie Rowe anyway. What Larry has to say is the Truth
It was inspiring to me as well❤❤❤❤❤❤
Amen
Wow! Long time listener, first time commenting. This hit me! Truth, Grace. Accountability, Love. Thank you for speaking your truth Julie, it parallels my journey, without the cult😉 Thank you Lauren & Dr. John I appreciate your dedication & integrity!
Thank you, Julie Jackson, for trusting this community with your story. My heart breaks for what you have been through. But I am also cheering for you as you make your way out! Thank you for being so honest about this journey and walking us through it. I have no doubt you are headed for a beautiful, whole, healthy life. I hope you continue to check in.
Any LDS: if you feel like the church isn't enough, you want more, go to the source, not a snake oil peddler. You won't find what you think you are looking for. This is an excellent cautionary tale. (By the way, this poor lamb is far from deprogrammed.)
I totally agree. She is mentally struggling. I hope someone convinces her to get help.
If you’re in the LDS church; run like hell…
@@catherineenglei7172this is not LDS doctrine.
At the source of the LDS you'll find more deception
Anytime someone separates you from your family it should be a red flag. Someone who is crazy & selfish is a red flag.
Gotta love Larry. That speech was so from the heart. No one could hear his message and ignore it.
Julie Rowe....the literal definition of unhinged
Thank you, Julie. ❤ Thank you for being vulnerable and allowing us to learn from you.
Yes. I appreciate that about your testimony. I'm so sorry for your pain.❤
Cults are scary. Sad that many do not know they are in a cult.😒
I don't look down on them,it can literally happen to any of us.
@@nisaba5752I don’t agree, anyone with a brain would not be manipulated
@@Mammaj1963except many people are born into cults and don't know anything different.
@Mammaj1963 sickos preying on vulnerable people or mentally unstable people, in my opinion.
@@Mammaj1963 This case IS particularly heinous but people really do get caught up in scary cults. Heavens Gate, Branch Davidians, Jonestown
If me and my friends were sitting among these people, there would be so much eye rolling
As I roll my eyes listening...,lol!
My mom would be criticizing their dusty baseboards and and telling them their clothes aren’t doing them any favors.
@@felicecomplice Funniest comment of the day lol
I would be rolling around the floor laughing.....saying " tell me more about the zombie part" 😂😂😂😂
Let's be completely clear, giving someone your entire paycheck just because they ask you for it is not kind. In fact it is unkind to yourself and any family you are responsible for. Whoever does this needs education and therapy to create strong boundaries. Glad this Julie is being so honest and open.
Julie !!! You are amazing?! You have a beautiful spirit!!!! I have So much respect for your journey and what you’ve worked through, this isn’t easy stuff to untangle and you’re doing it PUBLICLY.. be blessed , stay strong, and most importantly be proud of the bright light you have blasted into the darkness ..
Maam... Please stop being grateful to someone who was a parasite to you. She used you. Don't be grateful to the perpetrator. Be grateful you got yourself out. Be grateful to the people who were there for you before and after.
stages on a journey to reconstruct thinking - she will get there IMHO
There are so many ways this can happen. People are cat fished , people are lonely , People are looking for something People are broken and trying to find their “ people “. Just very sad that people in the inner circle did not question these bizarre beliefs and ask where the children were and ask why Charles and Tammy died ( killed ). Especially. Melani P. Zulema , and Gibbs. WTF ????
When someone is in a destructive cult, you are taught that questioning any of it makes you evil and there are many tricks the cult leader(s) use to stop thoughts and manipulate to prevent any doubting
I have seen so often how people in the Mormon faith feel like they have done the listed “prerequisites” for making it to the top level of heaven yet still feel like they need “more”. It leads them to these crazy rabbit holes and makes them zealots for some strange stuff. Julie Jackson, keep your head up, keep finding ways to just relax and be at peace with yourself, and let’s all just resist the urge to get all wrapped up in these mechanisms for convincing ourselves that we have “the way” or “the path” to being right or better than anyone else. Ultimately we are all humans going through our own crap who deserve empathy and a little encouragement once in a while….and if some chick or dude walks into your life saying they have all the answers or that they are this grandiose person with a grandiose mission then “elbows and knees” your way outta there folks. They just might be the Jodi Hildebrant, Chad Daybell, Julie Rowe, Lori Vallow, Keith Reineerie, or Jim Jones of the next true crime phenomenon.
I’ve been listening to HTC since the beginning, I never comment. Today is different and I have to say this is such a powerful interview.
Julie, thank you for sharing your story. I have no words can convey all the emotions I am feeling for you. ❤️🩹
I actually appreciate Lauren showing the clips of Julie Rowe. She has been mentioned numerous times & I was wondering but not willing to go to that platform and join. What I saw was rage-period. Those commenting on Julie speaking so fast-she stated this was her first time. When you have held something in for a long time it’s like a pot of boiling water with a lid. When that lid comes off it just spills over and I understand. Julie thank you for sharing your experience.
So well said
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I agree 100%.
Also, when we recall very painful circumstances we cry, we become emotional .. this is human, this is not unstable. This is being real and I appreciate it very much. I am an emotional person and I can handle when people are emotional. Thank you Julie Jackson for sharing your story.
@@jeannemarie5908thank you for your kind words.
I feel the same. I wanted to check out Julie Rowe, but absolutely didn’t want to dive into her site or those of like minded people. I thank this woman so much for sharing her experience.
That tells me Chad has the ability to control his kids. Like we all suspected.
Too right Larry!!! Grow up people and stop feeding this crap to gullible people.
That was a really tough listen but the same old story. A lack of critical thinking skills in the LDS community. I’m struggling to continually empathise with these people who fall for the ‘Jesus Christ told me to tell you…..’ bs.
I have studied my Bible all my life. And have good basic understanding of the Old and New Testament. Listening to all these comments about the LDS just blows my mind. I know there are good people born into different religions. But we have a responsibility to use our minds critically!
Throw out the writing of Joseph Smith would be a good place to start. We will continue to see things of this nature. Julie Rowe and Chad, Jody are all predators and prey on meek people that are easy to control! Thank you Julie for sharing your story with Hidden true crime.
I wholeheartedly agree😊
The Bible has value as do many inspired writings around the world. But they were written by people. Set in history. That basic fact is a safeguard.
Have you really studied the Bible? Do you know when it was written and by whom? Do you know what language it was written in, how it was translated and how much original text there is available for any of it? Because if the answer to these questions is no, then sorry, you haven't been studying it at all.
Of course, Martin Luther wished to "throw out" the writings of James, Jesus' half-brother, since James taught that "faith, if it hath not works, is dead." (James 2:17) Think I'll keep James' contribution to the Bible and consider that he was teaching a higher law than Martin, perhaps, understood.
Agree somewhat - imagine the millions of people in our history who have been innocently slaughtered by others’ interpretations of the words on the pages of that Bible. There is much good to glean from religious texts, but I think we often forget that it’s just a book of examples and archetypes meant to give us a a better way to approach the difficulties in our lives. I don’t believe they are strict instruction manuals - bible included.
So scary. Please be careful everyone that knows her. Her mental health has gone from unhealthy to truly horrible.
Which one r you talking about? Julie Rowe or the Julie being interviewed? Both nuts.
Lots of love to Julie Jackson, a great sharing of processing in an intelligent and heartfelt way. Powerful.