The mysterious death of Eldon Clawson. Revisiting Bernadine’s groundbreaking interview
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Chad Daybell's former neighbor is ready to talk in this interview by journalist Lauren Matthias. The tragedies that happened in her quiet Idaho town haunt her more than two years later, along with the secrets she says are permeating through Madison and Fremont County. Bernadine tells HTC host Lauren Matthias what she saw, and why she believes Chad Daybell has more victims, and discusses the suspicious death of neighbor Eldon Clawson.
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My son hung out with Bernadine's kids during this time and I remember this happening to her. I felt so bad for the lack of support she had . The property was beautiful but that neighbor drove her out. I was very encouraged and inspired by her self suffciency. She is spot on about Rexburg mentality
Bernadine definitely had the up close and personal info! Grounded, logical and informative!
My family is from South Africa, so listening to her talk just felt so familiar! I have a special place in my heart for Bernadine! Thanks for sharing your voice!
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And I’m so sorry what happened to your daughter! How they handled that is VERY TELLING
So tragic. 4 years of abuse! 💔💔
Bernadine is a breath of fresh air - smart, insightful, talented and able to look at the big picture and explain this crazy town to the rest of us. She and Heather Daybell are the only residents I’ve heard who really understand how evil the Chad and Julie Rowe religion is and are willing to call people out. Everyone else seems to be unwilling to take accountability for their beliefs and actions even now. (They claim they were just naive and deceived, it’s never their fault.)When she compared the corruption in Rexburg to the Murdaugh situation it really made sense. Also Eldons death is very suspicious!
Bernadine is an amazing person. XO
So agree!
Yes, she seems like she has a lot of wisdom and discernment ✨️ I don't believe God would instruct you to hurt the innocent, EVER.
I love the Gospel and 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." I am however a realist and am very much aware of the fact that in the very midest of goodness, there can be people that are vipers and coopters of truth in order to use and misuse it for their own selfish and gratuitous lusts and desires. And they can and will do anything to hide and cover it up.
I have lived in other states and places other than Idaho and Utah, I have seen corruption occur in other areas as well.
I have personal experience and knowledge concerning corruption in the Rexburg police department with certain persons, I lost a dear friend who was murdered in Rexburg by her husband a year and a half ago. Everything was covered up, no death announcement regarding her death was ever announced, her family covered it all up and had the police cover it up. everything had to do with MONEY and an INHERITANCE.
It was a travesty of justice. We, her friends and co-workers and other family that were not involved with any of that, are still devastated. We are the ones that had a memorial service for her, even when her family didn't and had her cremated and stuck into her Moms grave with no dignity.
If only people knew just how WRONG it all was and has been.
I was a personal friend of a decorated Rexburg police officer who along with four other officers all walked off the force in Rexbrug at the same time, when the corrupt "superior officer," was re-elected over 17 years ago.
I believe that there is far more in the way of secret combinations that are going on everywhere in this world, not just Rexburg or Idaho or Uah.
Near death experiences are a social contagion in Rexburg.
LDS is a social contagion in Rexburg.
And a power grab for LDS members too.
You have no idea how many times I’ve wondered about Eldon. When I found out about his death, and Chud’s beef with him, I was hoping someone could connect him (chud) to it. I hope we find some definitive answers.
I remember seeing somewhere earlier that Chad had breakfast or a catch up with Eldon that day or the day before. I can't remember where I remember that from. XO it's suss too.
I have always thought that Chud had something to do with Eldon’s death. What I want to know is this: who is working on finding out what was in the bodies of all those who seemed to die by “pulmonary embolism.” I will be shocked if they never find out! LE has to have somebody working on that! Just too much coincidence! To me… it has something to do with the rings! Malachite! My understanding is that the dust is extremely toxic. My question is how long does it take to leave the body to become undetectable? Any body else have any thoughts on this?
From watching the Coroner's testimony, she took the weird off people and didn't evaluate what she saw. She said she believed that Chad had pulled the sheet and that caused Tammy's body to fall to the floor. But Chad had said he heard her fall off the bed. But no marks from the closeness of the bedside table was to the bed. The pink foam that kept coming back when wiped away, she didn't understand that. Maybe she's LSD?
@@onemanstrash8233 I'm hearing you, I feel the same way. XO
@@carmellaffan6654 You know they will never tell us, knowing that if it becomes public some other nut case will use it on someone they hate like crazy girl that killed her friend with Visine. I think it is going to be the dust of the Malachite or something crazy like that. I think Alex killed himself after he realized Chad and Lori had used him to murder the kids. All just my opinion and we will never know I guess.
She is an interesting and dynamic person. I enjoyed hearing her speak.
Right?? I’m only halfway in and I’m thoroughly enjoying this.
I could listen to this lady all day long. XO
What I learned from this interview is that there were those in his community that were buying what Chad was peddling. That’s a very scary thought.
Thank you, Lauren, for another great interview with Bernadine. Very enlightening.
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Wow this interview talked about so much!!! Rexburg sounds so crazy 😮 Thank you Bernadine for your insight ❤
Rexburg, one man’s Utopia is another man’s hell.
@@livehealthyfinishstrongthis is an old interview with Bernadine.
Very interesting & intelligent. I call her " a pot stirrer " like Heather. 2 smart women
@@letitiakearney2423yes, I know it is an old interview.
I really love this woman. More of her commentary please.
This was a great interview with Bernadine! What a strong amazing woman that has overcome so much! Would love to hear more from her.
Lauren I really enjoyed this interview! I love the wide range of people you find to bring a different perspective in or around the Daybell case. Keeps it all fresh and interesting.
Great job.
Oh I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! She has the most interesting interviews that really give us insight into the entire picture!!!! I just love Lauren!!! 💕 Meegan, Bernadine, Kay W. Just really strong & beautiful women!!!! ❤
Fascinating! Thank you, Lauren, for great reporting! Don't stay silent.
How many pulmonary embolisms can one group of people have around them? Many apparently!
Especially when you’re making mysterious day trips to Mexico. . . Joe-Scott Morgan advised that tox panels were run, but they weren’t able to test for “exotics” !
IMO, I think it's possible that Elden could have been a victim of Chad. What if he was a witness to Chad burning Tylee or burying JJ & he threatened to expose Chad. I feel Elden was just another victim of Chad Daybell
Agree 100%! Was he the insurance salesman that sold the Tammy’s life insurance and the increase right before she was murdered? I thought it was thru the school but there is usually a salesperson that handles those policies.
He did seem to be the nosey neighbor.
I did see the interview with her before. Very interesting & informative regarding area history too.
Wow
She’s hard to fallow
But it will catch up with them
The fact that Chad knew he could not build on Matt and Heathers property, so he thought he would do it on Eldon’s, right next door to Matt and Heather…that is sick. He is such a narcissist , he had no love for his brother, at all, he was jealous of him, and he wanted to prove that he could get all these followers. I am so glad Heather was too smart for him.
💯💯💯💯 Agree with this it's so cheeky and very childish behaviour 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪.
The theory about the difference between Tylee’s and JJ’s burials is interesting, but I suspect it was really more basic than that. I suspect that Chad and Alex thought they were going to be able to burn both bodies and not leave any trace, but like so many other murderers, they discovered that burning a human body is much more difficult than they ever imagined. Hence the condition of Tylee’s remains and their not even bothering with JJ and just burying the poor kid.
Your takes makes a lot of sense. I can see how Chad and Lori would be attracted to the idea of fire, plus some crazy doctrinal reasons, and then realized it was too hard (If they were true crimers, they'd have known this of course). I do wonder what they were thinking in burning the bodies on that property in broad daylight close to the road and with plenty of neighbors. Did the neighbors notice? And how did they do this with Tammy in the house, and weren't some of the kids still around?
Tammy was at work 🦆
I think this is what happened, too. I think they were inept at breaking down the body and tried to hurry to do it. Maybe because of Eldon, even. It could have been rage but I think it was more likely them trying to quickly do it. Alex couldn’t do anything right and Chubs had no strength…bad combo.
Agree 💯
I agree, but I think they did that to Tylee because they weren’t strong enough to move her. Chad certainly couldn’t, he is a putz, and Alex couldn’t do it himself, and Lori was tiny, they just couldn’t move her. I kind of figured, before they found her, that is how she would be found, just because Lori and Alex wouldn’t be able to move her, nor would Chad be able to. I think the way they hacked at her was just chads dream, he was a sick man. You could see from the way he harmed bees, he had a fascination with death.
I struggle with this.
Experiences of rejection are normal in life. Experiences of trauma are not statistically abnormal, unfortunately. This is heart wrenching. With that said, this kind of thinking is absolutely crazy AF.
To think that because you like Indian food means that you lived in India in a past life, or if you’re inspired by Joan of arc, you actually were her in a past life, this is not normal or average thinking. Any individual has to be profoundly less than average intelligence and/or have profound narcissism in order to support these bizarre and illusory correlations.
There is no way to communicate how disturbing this trend is. This type of bizarrely delusional thinking, which has been THE pin in multiple murders, cannot become mainstream. It’s too terrifying to think of because if this is normal, we are all fucked.
Bravo!! 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼🎉❤🤗
100% agree 👍🏽 as a never Mormon, I experienced a NDE at the age of 6. I never told a soul until a few years ago and I’m 46 years old. I didn’t say a word because I didn’t wanna sound CRAZY‼️ then you have this bunch trying to profit out of it while feeding their extreme narcissism.
👏 Well said!
The LDS Leadership need to come out and denounce Visions of Glory and send its Author through a disciplinary counsel! It’s getting beyond a joke at this point!
@@kawehionalani3957I completely understand and glad you made it through your experience. I’m also never LDS. my husband and my daughter both have Genetic Cardiac conduction disorders and both had NDE’s within 6 months of each other (for different reasons) It’s so traumatic that we all weren’t able to process/talk about it fully for a long time. Seeing that people are profiting off making up these experiences angers me to no end. ❤
It’s hilarious how there is a virus out there of near-death experiences!
Keeping up with the Mormons...
It’s a super powerful Mormon power grab.
Why don't people take the time to 👍 videos they appreciate? It's just a thank you. I occasionally miss one, but not often.
I think some folks feel it will build a profile of them (which it does) so choose not to.
@@carolwardropper5521 I think you're right. I guess it's often a matter of one's individual line(s) according to topic, boldness and willingness to be identified by beliefs, etc. But to want justice for victims, actual victims of crime not the various narrative "victims" manufactured by political entities and promoted by biased media outlets, is ordinary citizen concern as I see it, as old as tribes, clans and societies. I also skip giving a 👍 on some types of content. Thanks for the reply, Carol! 🙂
Thank you for posting this for those of us who missed it the first time around. The ordeal with the neighbor sounds like a nightmare. His passing is suspicious.
Bernadine is so wonderful and down to earth.. Loved this interview with her… Thank you Lauren 😘
How do you do this so well Lauren!? Such excellent info and content!
I love that people feel so heard when they talk to Lauren. She’s so good.
I've seen this interview three times. So interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Chad had something to do (fishy) here
I l9ve this woman's perspective and wisdom and articulation! Thank you for sharing!!
I sure enjoyed hearing this woman again. She is quite a character and has let us know much about that area. I was glad that she didn't hold back. It has been hard to understand how so many there believed Chad over Heather. Bernadine gives us a dive into the minds of the people there.
Lauren…you are an interviewer extraordinaire!! I’m glad you are using a platform where u can cover WHAT you want, and HOW u want. You have a gift, and you are making a difference. Thank you.
Very interesting. I saw this interview before but with all coming together in Chads trial it makes a lot more sense to me! Chad was not isolated… That gives a possible answer to the question how this all could have happened. It was not secret, it was backed up.
Bernadine is an extremely interesting interview. Thanks for this.
Thank you for remembering Eldon. I keep thinking of him
Hahahhaha! Love the quote “there is something WRONG with this person” regarding reading the first few pages of a Julie R book. 😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve always thought it was a mixture of New Age with Mormon doctrine combined and I’m not even from the Mormon faith.
I really believe that Eldon was snooping too close. Chad said Tammy had a pulmonary embolism, supposedly Alex died from one too. I find it extremely bizarre it was a cause of death allegedly for three people. One time May e, a second and third time no. I believe that Chad did away with Eldon.😢
I been waiting for this mans name to be brought up. His family did not want anyone to even say his name..... Its been hard to get information on him!!! Bernadine is a beautiful person ❤
It’s so crazy going back and revisiting these interviews after so much more has come to light. Wow.
I have watched this interview several time, I adore Bernadine. She is so down to earth. I see her as curious with a willingness to give things a chance BUT, she has common sense and good morals and doesn't choose to drink the kool aid
Wow...the light shining on cockroaches...wow
so enjoyed this. There is a special gem there! 3pm NZ
👏👏👏 Speak Bernadine 👏👏
I admire your courage to call all those "Devil" serving idiots out.
They call it Godly. I see it as pure evil.
Satan was once an angel, too
These wack jobs prey on the week minded
So glad you got away Beradine.❤❤
Satan is stil a fallen Angel roaming the earth. After being cast out of Heaven. Yes deceving many weak people a families. S.A.
@@cathystrydom8731 I feel it's giving them all a Get-Out Clause by saying it's Satan's fault. No. It's their fault, no one made them do what they did. Not even Satan. They chose to do it.
I really don't believe m Gibb not being part of all of it
She definitely knew.
Bernadine is so cool.
I really like Bernadine. Her experiences seems to have given her such and inner strength and appreciation of many things in life. She seems to be a no BS kind of person which I enjoy! Thanks for sharing ❤
I am rewatching and I want to be this lady’s friend. She reminds me of someone who helped me in college to edit my research papers who is a “wisdom woman” who is very connected with spirituality. She once told me the story of “salem witches” and how wrong it was they were burned and condemned. She was always dressed in layers of white, thick fabrics. She was always very reserved and polite and the Salem witches was the only story she told me. She could quote any Shakespeare line and spoke softly, beautiful penmanship. I am in my 50s now but I always remember her, her assistance in helping me editing and this special aura of this lady, very special.
I throughly enjoyed this interview, thank you Lauren.
This was the best, most insightful interview! I have so many more questions about the scope of this case and I was just getting ready to put it to bed once chads trial was over. Now there seem to be so many more avenues of inquiry. This woman was a delight and a fountain of knowledge.
I remember this is the first thing I watched from hidden true crime. Somehow this video was listed in my algorithm. I loved this in depth interview. I did not subscribe initially so got lost. I think Lauren was on Mormon stories and realized this is who conducted that interview. Been subscribed ever since ❤
This was a great and insightful interview
Bernadine is very informative. I would love to hear much more from her. Thank you Laurie for all your hard work on the Daybell cases. RIP JJ Tylee Tammy Charles💙💜🦆💙
Lauren ,can you please make another interview with Bernandine??!?!?🙏🙏🙏🙏
I love Bernadine. She's so lovely and honest. This was a fascinating interview!!! Thank you so much. Just wow. This is very heavy stuff. I grew up Pentacostal and my father is now 81 and still a conspiracy theorist to this day. I had food in my bedroom growing up, learned to shoot guns at an early age and was taught how to "speak in tongues" before the age of 12, and a lot of what she spoke about is very familiar to me. My parents were even in a splinter worship group when i was a kid. We (there are 4 of us kids) used to fall asleep at their friends houses into the late evening and get Dunkin donut holes as a treat on the way home, so a lot of this stuff has touched my life. Thank you again!
This is all fascinating, especially in light of what Heather Daybell experienced in the town and church. It must have been a surreal experience living there.
I missed this before. Thanks
I live in Rigby. We use to be in the same ward as Chris Perrett. We have since left the church but my area was enthralled with Chad. I head him speak once. That was enough. It’s scary. This lady is spot on.
So very thankful for you sharing your experience ❤ Bernadine thankyou
It’s so interesting to hear Bernadine’s history and her relationship to prepping, very valuable insights in my opinion!!
The one I have been waiting for! This one is excellent! Thank you Lauren! I’m from St. Anthony, Idaho. I have been suspicious of Eldon’s death since day #1! I love Bernadine! Love the SCOOP!💯💯💯
I appreciate your passion in this case and appreciate your coverage. I think so many grieve for the families and we just want justice for everyone involved. It is hard not to be so incredibly angry on behalf of the kids and Tammy. I also hate that Chad and Lori used religion to justify all of this. That makes it so much worse. Chad is hard to watch at trial. He never moves he is hidden in his turtle shell or something. It is creepy. He clearly does not truly respect woman and that is sad. I am sad that his children still may believe in him. I am sad if And when they realize how awful he is. So sad. Prayers for the families. Praying for justice. Thankyou for your passion and your hubbies input! ❤
Wise statement, “we can’t always tell if people are good or not.” We can all be fooled. No shame in that.
45;27 ~ She could be describing Joseph Smith!
This interview with Bernadine makes some sense of why Heather's concerns were falling on deaf ears.
Im not in the US and not that familiar with the LDS Church and it seemed so crazy that others could not see through Chad the way Heather did. I still thought that there was just a handful of people in this mini cult, and it seemed odd that they could be so manipulative and do so much damage. Bernadines view from being in that town/community, that there were so many people into Chads visions / beliefs (?) makes a lot of sense. His supporters may not have known about murders but their following would have stroked Chads ego.
It maybe also follow in line with John Dehlins comments (Mormon Stories Podcast) on how populat the book 'Vision's of Gllory' is in the LDS community. ?? ...Though Im out of my depth with all of this.
The children’s deaths and burials were very ritualistic, I also think.. Great interview.
Ohhhhh my Lauren ❤❤❤❤thank you.
Your new Hairstyle is very pretty.
Caring thoughts to you Bernadine, I am so sad & sorry for what you have gone through & had to deal with.💝
. Steph at New South Wales, Australia
Interesting that two people who knew Darkbell (and may have been believers of his ideas) died suddenly of pulmonary embolism. I’m talking about Eldon Clawson and Alex Cox. And, when asked what happened to Tammy, one of the explanations put forth by Darkbell was that she died of a … wait for it … pulmonary embolism. Also interesting, how was Clawson’s cause of death determined to be pulmonary embolism if there was no autopsy.
Someone on another RUclips indicated that you can acquire certain snake venom in Mexico and that if ingested that venom causes death that mimics PE. If this is true, isn’t that interesting ???
Recall that Heather Daybell was upset that so many people in the community were buying in to the Darkbell/Rowe preachings. Heather knew that community and how they would behave if they adopted the Darkbell/Rowe belief system.
I remember watching this but its important to rewatch bc i forgot all the shady thungs in Rexburg. People will protrct abusers at all costs it seems.
Of course it’s men in charge. ALL religions are built like this.
I like this woman. She has her head screwed on straight.
Revisiting this interview. Great work Lauren, when will you make your documentary?
Replay-so so interesting. Was this recent interview or ?
Go to hidden true crime a watch the whole thing. It's very informative and interesting. XO
I just missed bummer but watching late. I signed up for notification for this 2 places but got none. Gremlins for sure!
I always get my Notification just AFTER I've watched the video. Not just for this channel, for all I have asked for notifications from.
Wow. What an interview & so eye opening. Your research is amazing.
Hi Lauren, I wonder if you should bleep out that Dr Larsen’s name so the lady won’t get sued for slander? The part where she said he abused the wife.
This lady has such an amazing story, true strength. ❤
So good to revisit this interview!
We should remember that Bernadine is expressing her own opinion/perception of everything. Some things may be truth, some may not be...
Wonderful video! Thanks Lauren Jennifer 😊
Thanks!
Bernadine is an incredible person wow❤❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
What a great interview!
I always thought the old man saw something while walking along his property and Chad Dealt with it.
I love Bernadine I’ve read her book too for the exact same reason. Curiosity as to these people’s crazy minds.
The way Rexburg is being described reminds me so much of the town where I grew up in eastern Kentucky.
THANK YOU: Bernadine understands the self-fulfilling prophecy concept of "end times."
She's very very smart. She'sh right on, too, with the "secrecy" thing, and suspicion; t is a perfect breeding town for what happened.
We are only INSTRUMENTS of the Lord, we are NOT the Lord.
I was raised in Salem, Idaho. Luckily I moved away around the age of 25 (I’m 38 now). My parents still live there in my childhood home. I still go visit for holidays and try to go up at least once a month. What this woman is saying is 100% true. It’s the safest yet most dangerous/shady area I’ve ever lived & I worry about my parents a lot. They stick to themselves & no longer go to church (Thank God). The only thing she left out is to fix the issue of Eldon going into everyone’s homes stealing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints gave Eldon a church calling so he would have to be at church & couldn’t go into peoples homes. I am and have been a nurse since 2008. The number of things that went on in the places I worked was so crazy. I couldn’t do it anymore so I chose to move out of state & it was the best decision I ever made.
Thank you!
This interview supports Heather Daybell’s failed attempts to bring church officials information about Chad beforehand.
Remember when you drove your car to a place that chad had gone maybe after tylee was killed. It was out in the middle of nowhere. Could that be where Alex /chad killed tylee?
I've been thinking about that for days...I think it was on the way back from Yellowstone?
YES! I think it could be. Revisit that video, too!
It was awful to hear of animal markings on Tylee. XO
They call everything an Embolism in this case, everybody gets one.
Lot of stuff shoved under the rug! This is true!
Can you do an episode on how Tammy and all five children were believers in Chad’s doctrines and were involved with his rituals and practices?
And how his children were Not upset or surprised when Tammy died?
One of my favorite interviews you have done.
This lady is a great story teller😅😅😅
I love her stories. She has a great memory.
My son has Autism and I too was taught the idea that he is elect and free from the burden of agency. That exaultation is already given to him bc he cant be held accountable for sin. Ive never been endowed and he has never been on the churxh records or baptised and many people in my circle have made the comment of me being separated from him in the eternities even though he is not a member.
I was only a Mormon convert for three years at age 23. I don't get how anyone could believe a loving father/mother could keep families apart (after earthly death) just because they haven't all been 'sealed' 'baptized' etc.
It makes me wonder what the heck I was thinking when I signed up. Well I kinda know. I was going through a divorce from an @busive/controlling husband. I got a nice new family in the church. People that cared for me and didn't hurt me. Then I heard what the other members were saying about me. Saying that I was only there for a new husband, maybe a missionary.
The strange thing was, was one of the Elders had the convo on tape. He played it to me and I cried. I told him he HAD to take it to our Bishop. Nothing came of it that I know of.
I still went to church for a year after hearing the tape. It wasn't why I left.
My heart was stopped during my open heart surgery - I didn’t see a thing on the “other side”😂🤦🏼♀️ I’ve also had several other encounters with death, apart from it being a very peaceful experience, I didn’t see anything else
I wonder if Eldon seen something in the murder of the kids?
She is definitely a fascinating lady! I loved hearing her talk.
Edit: I heard on a podcast that is done by 2 ex Mormons I think they are husband/wife, and they said if you plan to marry each other you can do something called ????? I can’t remember what they called it, but basically you can put your storm in your wife to be’s kitty as long as you don’t move at all??? What is that??
So much of what she is saying matches Heather
35:57 I think I understand why my mother said “It’s not what it is, it’s what it looks like.” I HATED that statement but I understand now as a 62 yr old that she knew you do what you want, just make sure it stays in the dark! I think she knew what was happening to me but as long as no one knew it, it’s not bothering her quality of life! Pure evil in my opinion.