"No one should ever stop someone from calling for help"? They didn't stop you, they asked you to leave and you had the freedom to make that call. This is sickening really. My condolences to the Piazza family.
Yeah this is such a stupid story. "We should have called 911"...yeah well then fucking call emergency services. He didn't do a goddamn thing. This was blatant murder
I think it was more than alcohol, most likely drugs. My daughter goes to University and got offered it as a freshman. Let’s not play dumb and think that drugs aren’t involved. My ex was a “frat boy” at WVU and told me about the copious amounts of alcohol and piles of drugs. As if it’s just a “don’t get caught” only thing. It’s gross!
This young man that suppose to be his friend, sad to say, but did nothing. Say we should call the police is not the same as doing. They didn't beat him up to stop him from call. I feel like he's just as guilty because even after 12 hour he was not the one to go get help.
fraternities take phones from brothers and pledges at the door so that no one can video or take pictures of what goes on at the parties. He would've needed to ask for his phone back from whomever was holding them and considering what all the other brothers were saying I doubt they would've given him his phone.
I do not know what I would have done at that age. I know at 57 I would have found a way to get help but this young man is not 57. When we were this age would we have not listened to the other guys and gone to get help? I like to think so but how do we know what we would have done in this situation. It is sad that these college campuses are to this point and young people ignorant enough to sit back and allow someone to die in front of them but here we are.
This year I listened to friends from high school come back and tell me stories about being forced to do wall sits and stay up through the whole night. Eat burritos full of anything older brother wanted to put in there. And even sit in a cage while every other person in the fraternity pissed on them. Is all of that worth being a "brother"?
I get fraternities and sororities but to pledge yourself to a group of arrogant people that you don't know in order to just belong? I feel so sorry for the family and for the kid who tried to do something.
The guy that said they should have called the cops... should have called the cops himself. All he did was advice but didn't act himself. He's guilty in my eyes
DA Stacy Parks Miller: “We don’t win by charging these young men.” It’s not about “winning.” You are punishing those 18 “young men” for trying to cover up a murder (voluntary or otherwise) while sending a message to ALL fraternities that this behavior will NOT be tolerated. Any less than a conviction and you are complicit for the next person who dies in a hazing.
Yah You ! I think they were all high and didn't want to call 911 until 12 hours later when they came down The frat Brothers were trying to cover up their drinking and crack smoking
Artie Willis I agree, I also think this guy coming out saying he "tried to get help", is just trying to find the easy way out to not get convicted I could be wrong but that's how I see it.
These aren't men.. I work in a college these so call adults are still kids. The trash and crap all over campus they leave behind tells the story of how these children aren't rdy to be on there own. Colleges need to put more strict rules on how things are run. Alot of these colleges don't even have someone in the building to regulate what goes on after hours. The building are left empty with students doing what they want. Something needs to happened.
He was so worried and shook that he decided to leave the kid unconscious and unresponsive without any notification of police or medical services? How is that considered ok and why hasn’t he been charged as well? Isn’t there a “Good Samaritan law” that says if you can but choose to do nothing you can be held liable as well? He literally could have made an “anonymous” call if he was worried about retribution. Am I wrong here?
I hope they close all fraternities. they are ALL binge drinkers. that is my home town. those boys should be charged with negligent homicide, manslaughter, and sit in prison for years. even the guy that was concerned, why didn't HE call 911? WTF. sometimes I really, really hate Penn State and the EXTREME pressure to drink to the point of alcohol poisoning. disgusted.
Christy Warner You can't charge a bunch of drunk kids! They were ALL responsible and yet ALL innocent. If your college age kid isn't smart enough to avoid this bs then YOU didn't do a very good job raising YOUR child!
@@kimh7568 If they were “participating”, yes they were! If you can’t do the right thing by others, stay away from them. My daughter went to University at 17 years old and I did raise her well. But that doesn’t mean that they are prepared to always withstand peer pressure and the want of fitting in. We’re not just talking about alcohol here either but drugs. Of course no one is going to want to call but that needs to change! The state I live in no longer allows sorority houses because they are considered brothels but fraternities, no problem. Our society is sick! Also, please know that most of these “frat boys” come from affluent families and that most likely their fathers did the same.
When I was a pledge a brother threw bleach over all of the 14 pledges who were doing push-ups....it stopped the activity flat all burned bad, showers for all immediately. They acted accordingly despite this one deranged brothers actions. I hope he reads this 20 years later! Of course he's still a loser.
Sounds like he's trying to cover his own ass, not "giving advice". " I did everything I could to have them call 911." Sorry, why didn't YOU call the police? This dude is NOT the good guy. He's guilty of depraved indifference and should be in prison.
This guy should also be explaining himself in court along with those lads....I doubt he has no ability to call 911 himself, he house could have stepped out of the frat house and called.
I can’t speak for all fraternity members but this isn’t how you become a real man. A real man is making good decisions and when in need help each other. Have good human code of ethics. These students failed miserably. Rip young men who die in these hazing incidents. Not fair at all.
This is a systemic problem that have gone since the beginning of time. Let's be real, everyone knows that this goes on, everyone just turns a blind eye because not enough people die from these incidences or the people in high places are being affected. I believe that a part of the reason why this story is getting so much attention is because this incident took place at "Penn State" a "prestigious university" and not Timbuktu University and that is also the sad part.
Kordel also went on college speaking tours, profiting off Tim's death!!!! Kordel is just as responsible. Why did he NOT call 9/11?!?!?! or report it to authorities?!??!?!!!!
My friends tried to talk me into joining a frat but it just was not my thing to be humiliated in front of my friends just to join a drinking club. Same thing just going to bar but do not have to go thru the humiliation! God Bless n may His peace be with this and all families that have had to endure this type of things!
This lack of action proves we our raising degenerative little socialpaths who gladly step on and over to what they perceive as their rightful social position. I hope you researchers are paying attention, WE'VE DESTROYED THE FAMILY UNIT, consequences coming to a school near you. These aren't children, its Lord of the Flies, may God have mercy on us all.Watch out Earth Mothers, keep your babies close..
I was in a frat for a year. It was alright, but I ended up leaving that college. We wernt really hazed or nothing like that and the pledgeship wasn't that bad but I just felt they try to mold you into like everyone else. You gotta wear the same shoes, the same shorts, same shirts and they give you shit if you don't. I made some good friends, but after I left I found out most those guys were fake friends. Didn't hear anything from me and only tried to get in touch with me when they wanted to see if they could get money out of me. Hey fraternities are for some ppl. But it wasn't for me
I think this guy believed his frat brothers hype but in this case he should have followed his instincts. He will have to live with his decision for the rest of his life.
Sounds like a women that slapped a friend because her son broken her Jaw. Insane! My heart goes out to this family and any who lose a beloved. Had they just got him to the hospital they could have assess the cranial bleed. Between the alcohol & head injury. Very sorry for all these people’s pain!
So if he was watching children being molested or a woman gang raped and he wanted to call 911 but others wouldn't let him, he wouldn't be able to call 911. -------- Does he own a Cell Phone? ------- Does he know how to use a Cell Phone? ------ Did they tie him up for 12 hours? ------ Could he have stepped outside and used a cell phone or asked someone to call 911 who owns a cell phone? ------ Could he have walked to the Security office on campus and ask them to call 911? ----- Could he have walked to a business and asked them to call 911? ------ This guy is a hero, please give him a medal.
Do not call each other a brother!A real brother would never let this happen to him...what absolute idiots!Close frats down...end of story...too many kids dying!
For all those blaming the guy who told them to call the cops… you all do realize he was being hazed too right? Even if he left the room there were probably other frat brothers in the house that would have stopped him from leaving and he was probably in fear of his own life after what he just witness. He could have also been afraid that he would be killed during the cover up. People do some crazy things, unthinkable things when their backs are against the wall. It’s easy to say “if it were me, I would have”
Ugh this makes me sick. Seems like part of the problem is that these kids know the hazing rituals are dangerous and wrong, so when someone is seriously injured they don't immediately call for help. But like, do they think people just miraculously recover from serious injuries without medical intervention? They clearly don't seem to care about the pledges, but even from a selfish standpoint, why wouldn't you get them help as soon as possible? Just seems like some of these organizations are full of people that think they're entitled to everything and can get away with anything.
Fraternities and Sororities need depleted. There is no reason to have them. The benefit they bring to any school could be brought by something much more positive, more healthy, and more.
If u truly think something is not right act fast don't depend on someone else because what if they don't care. This guy, he said he tried but why no call for help appeared. You're not saying this because u feel guilty and wanted to cover up. RIP young man!!
Fraternities, in and of themselves, should be outlawed. Way too many kids end up dying because they want to belong to one. Others end up feeling useless or unloved.....unwanted.
I have been to college recently, in frat houses and around fraternity members. It is actually pretty common practice not to help those who have drank too much. I have seen people drink so much that they blacked-out mid-chug and hit the floor. Nobody around would help, but instead laugh and make fun of the person who "couldn't hold their alcohol." Often times these people were just left alone until they sobered up. Even if that meant the drunk person who was passed out was laying in the middle of the room. It was common practice (where I was) to just leave them, laugh at them, and make jokes about how weak they were. I don't drink but would still attend the parties because of friends and what I witnessed was pretty shocking. One time I was so worried about a random guy's well-being after passing out that I begged strangers to help me lift him up to move him to a more comfortable area like a couch instead of the kitchen floor. You would have thought I was asking people to give me their first born child. Here is a view from my perspective --> None of the frat boys from Penn State wanted Timothy Piazza to pass away that night. From my own experience, I would say that none of the frat boys even realized at the time how bad Timothy's condition was. They probably didn't expect that time to be any different from all the other times when students got too intoxicated, blacked out, etc. I would say this is the reason they did not feel the need to involve authorities. They were expecting Timothy to eventually just sober up and deal with his own "boo boos" from the night, as many other students have done before him. Over time the frat boys came to a realization that Timothy was actually seriously injured and out of fear of punishment they made the poor decision to ignore it, and probably with hopes Timothy, like the many before him, would make it through with a crazy hazing story to tell. I feel like the majority of the responsibility should fall on Timothy and not the frat boys. I don't think the futures of those frat boys should be in shambles because Timothy's desire to fit in was so strong that he drank more than he could handle. The frat boys should have called the authorities, but I can understand why they didn't at the same time. The real issue we should be examining is drinking in fraternities & college house parties. None of the frat boys from Penn state involved with Timothy's death are murderers, they are just really, really STUPID college-aged men. That is my take anyways, I could be way off.
Timothy was coerced. Essentially forced. People pretend these kids have choices but when you're young & want to fit in, surrounded by people- seemingly with authority- they feel forced to do it. The psychology on hazing is very clear that these people are taken advantage of. Many people, myself included, have consumed waaay too much alcohol without truly understanding the risks of being so drunk you've lost control of your bodily functions and aren't responsive. That's the whole problem. We need kids to understand that drinking large amounts of very concentrated alcohol (liquor over beer) in a short amount of time isn't something that defines "will power" and "strength". It's biology & chemistry. The macho culture of drinking a lot and being able to "handle your liquor" is dangerous and needs to be the first thing to change. Stop associating binge drinking with being cool or elite, it's just problematic? Second thing is to get these kids to really understand how different amounts of alcohol with different alcohol % affects them & when someone loses control of faculties, it's time to call 911.
So let me get this straight, the kid not charged said he was the only one who helped. NOT TRUE! He said the others made him leave, yeah so what stopped him from calling 911??? No one was holding a gun to his head. Sickening
Grown ass man wasn’t smart enough to know when to stop drinking. Who’s fault is that? What you expect from a frat? A sensitive emotional conversation? Maybe they can get some money now by suing the alcohol manufacturer ? How many times did you call for help after getting wasted with your drinking buddies or even when you’re sober ?
Cordell, could've left the scene immediately pulled his FN phone out and call 911. He's on GMA with his sad story but he didn't go far enough. That's what you're supposed to do is leave the area and call 911 NOT sit there and look like a loser because a bunch of your friends are having a good time and you didn't want to spoil it for them.
This jag off thinks he's the hero in the situation. He's the biggest coward of them all... He's the one who recognized their was a serious health problem... WHY THE HELL DIDNT HE CALL 911 HIMSELF?
This sickens me, I think they should have older adults overseeing these initiation gatherings - I dare not call it hazing because “supposedly” there are rules against that 🙄
chloweful I was looking for a intelligent comment and this one is it. I AM JOINING A FRAT AND I HAVE TO GET SO DRUNK I CANT THINK STRAIGHT. I WILL PASS. This man was suppose to get up and leave.
You have to be really stupid to think after falling 15 feet of stairs plus repeated falling on his head that he wasn't at risk to die! You never ever should ignore a head injury. They watched him die a slow and painful death! that's murder.
"No one should ever stop someone from calling for help"? They didn't stop you, they asked you to leave and you had the freedom to make that call. This is sickening really. My condolences to the Piazza family.
Exactly he wasnt forced to be quit he choose to. When my friend fell the stairs down not even jesus christ would stop me to help him
"At least he stood up." At least isn't good enough. The guy is fucking dead. That dude is just as guilty.
Frat guys have no morals. There is nothing that they expect from him.
I was thinking the same
This guy did not do everything possible...He didn't call 911...
Yeah this is such a stupid story. "We should have called 911"...yeah well then fucking call emergency services. He didn't do a goddamn thing. This was blatant murder
How could they stay in the house with someone dying in front of them for 12 hours???????
Because they belong to a fraternity .
Cold hard hearts!
White privilege
I think it was more than alcohol, most likely drugs. My daughter goes to University and got offered it as a freshman. Let’s not play dumb and think that drugs aren’t involved. My ex was a “frat boy” at WVU and told me about the copious amounts of alcohol and piles of drugs. As if it’s just a “don’t get caught” only thing. It’s gross!
This young man that suppose to be his friend, sad to say, but did nothing. Say we should call the police is not the same as doing. They didn't beat him up to stop him from call. I feel like he's just as guilty because even after 12 hour he was not the one to go get help.
YOU WERE USELESS!!! YOU DID NOTHING TOWARD KEEPING HIM ALIVE. TALK IS CHEAP. NEGLIGENCE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
fraternities take phones from brothers and pledges at the door so that no one can video or take pictures of what goes on at the parties. He would've needed to ask for his phone back from whomever was holding them and considering what all the other brothers were saying I doubt they would've given him his phone.
nuolebab95 you can run out of the house and make the call immediately and he didn’t even try that
I do not know what I would have done at that age. I know at 57 I would have found a way to get help but this young man is not 57. When we were this age would we have not listened to the other guys and gone to get help? I like to think so but how do we know what we would have done in this situation. It is sad that these college campuses are to this point and young people ignorant enough to sit back and allow someone to die in front of them but here we are.
wasn’t he getting hazed too? If so he probably didn’t have his phone either and intoxicated. Horrible all around.
Everyone involved is guilty an should be put in prison...
So much for "brotherhood" - beyond sad!
This year I listened to friends from high school come back and tell me stories about being forced to do wall sits and stay up through the whole night. Eat burritos full of anything older brother wanted to put in there. And even sit in a cage while every other person in the fraternity pissed on them. Is all of that worth being a "brother"?
Anonymous Anonymous Not at all.
What is wrong with people who do this... like that’s not normal
I know this was 5 years ago but oh my god.. no. that’s not worth it.
This is why the number of friends you have or popularity does not matter, what you need is true friends.
Okay... the "Samaritan" should have called 911.... wtf... why is he not accountable too?!?
Black Privilege
wasn’t he getting hazed too? If so he probably didn’t have his phone either and intoxicated. Horrible all around.
I get fraternities and sororities but to pledge yourself to a group of arrogant people that you don't know in order to just belong? I feel so sorry for the family and for the kid who tried to do something.
Liane Albert this is correct
The guy that said they should have called the cops... should have called the cops himself. All he did was advice but didn't act himself. He's guilty in my eyes
Exactly 💯
Oh big wow, what a hero for SUGGESTING to call 911, then not doing it bc they all said not to.
DA Stacy Parks Miller: “We don’t win by charging these young men.”
It’s not about “winning.”
You are punishing those 18 “young men” for trying to cover up a murder (voluntary or otherwise) while sending a message to ALL fraternities that this behavior will NOT be tolerated. Any less than a conviction and you are complicit for the next person who dies in a hazing.
Dumb statement by an arrogant district attorney.
This is tragic. These kids need to stop worrying about repercussions and do the right thing.
They’re hardly kids.
These men.
I believe he didn't do everything in his power to get help after the others pushed him away
Yah You !
I think they were all high and didn't want to call 911 until 12 hours later when they came down
The frat Brothers were trying to cover up their drinking and crack smoking
Artie Willis I agree, I also think this guy coming out saying he "tried to get help", is just trying to find the easy way out to not get convicted I could be wrong but that's how I see it.
Why couldnt his friend just call 911 himself
These aren't men.. I work in a college these so call adults are still kids. The trash and crap all over campus they leave behind tells the story of how these children aren't rdy to be on there own. Colleges need to put more strict rules on how things are run. Alot of these colleges don't even have someone in the building to regulate what goes on after hours. The building are left empty with students doing what they want. Something needs to happened.
n8tiveskillz At what age are you "adult". If they cannot behave by college age - YOU - have not done YOUR job!
Kordell, all you had to do was call 911.
He was so worried and shook that he decided to leave the kid unconscious and unresponsive without any notification of police or medical services? How is that considered ok and why hasn’t he been charged as well? Isn’t there a “Good Samaritan law” that says if you can but choose to do nothing you can be held liable as well? He literally could have made an “anonymous” call if he was worried about retribution. Am I wrong here?
Davis is more guilty than the rest. He knew his friend was in trouble and did nothing. Davis should be in jail, he’s a punk.
I hope they close all fraternities. they are ALL binge drinkers. that is my home town. those boys should be charged with negligent homicide, manslaughter, and sit in prison for years. even the guy that was concerned, why didn't HE call 911? WTF. sometimes I really, really hate Penn State and the EXTREME pressure to drink to the point of alcohol poisoning. disgusted.
Christy Warner You can't charge a bunch of drunk kids! They were ALL responsible and yet ALL innocent. If your college age kid isn't smart enough to avoid this bs then YOU didn't do a very good job raising YOUR child!
@@kimh7568 If they were “participating”, yes they were! If you can’t do the right thing by others, stay away from them. My daughter went to University at 17 years old and I did raise her well. But that doesn’t mean that they are prepared to always withstand peer pressure and the want of fitting in. We’re not just talking about alcohol here either but drugs. Of course no one is going to want to call but that needs to change!
The state I live in no longer allows sorority houses because they are considered brothels but fraternities, no problem.
Our society is sick! Also, please know that most of these “frat boys” come from affluent families and that most likely their fathers did the same.
That first interviewee should have just called 911 regardless of what the other frat brothers said.
When I was a pledge a brother threw bleach over all of the 14 pledges who were doing push-ups....it stopped the activity flat all burned bad, showers for all immediately. They acted accordingly despite this one deranged brothers actions. I hope he reads this 20 years later! Of course he's still a loser.
Penn State is tainted no one has forgotten Jerry Sandusky.
YUP!
You didn’t mention Joe Mr. Coverup Paterno.
@@Landis_Grant And you didn’t mention the President of the University was allowed to retire with full pension and fringe benefits.
@@estebancorral5151 I forgot about him. It got so bad at Penn State football that Bill O’Brien had to rescue it.
YOU should have called 911 boy!!! What are you doing this interview for?!?!
I wouldn’t show my face knowing I did NOTHING!!
Sounds like he's trying to cover his own ass, not "giving advice". " I did everything I could to have them call 911." Sorry, why didn't YOU call the police? This dude is NOT the good guy. He's guilty of depraved indifference and should be in prison.
They take your phones at the door!
This guy should also be explaining himself in court along with those lads....I doubt he has no ability to call 911 himself, he house could have stepped out of the frat house and called.
Why aren't they being called THUGS??
If it was my friend nothing could stop me from getting him help. I always hated followers and not thinking for yourself.
I can’t speak for all fraternity members but this isn’t how you become a real man. A real man is making good decisions and when in need help each other. Have good human code of ethics. These students failed miserably. Rip young men who die in these hazing incidents. Not fair at all.
I can't believe anyone even joins these ridiculous things.
I don't understand why the one guy who was trying to help didn't call 911 immediately? That makes no sense!
This is a systemic problem that have gone since the beginning of time. Let's be real, everyone knows that this goes on, everyone just turns a blind eye because not enough people die from these incidences or the people in high places are being affected. I believe that a part of the reason why this story is getting so much attention is because this incident took place at "Penn State" a "prestigious university" and not Timbuktu University and that is also the sad part.
His dad looks broken. No excuses. Why didn’t someone call 911? Good suggestion. No living on campus for my son next year.
Dear God have mercy on our soul 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
God needs to step up His game.
Kordel also went on college speaking tours, profiting off Tim's death!!!! Kordel is just as responsible. Why did he NOT call 9/11?!?!?! or report it to authorities?!??!?!!!!
My friends tried to talk me into joining a frat but it just was not my thing to be humiliated in front of my friends just to join a drinking club. Same thing just going to bar but do not have to go thru the humiliation! God Bless n may His peace be with this and all families that have had to endure this type of things!
This lack of action proves we our raising degenerative little socialpaths who gladly step on and over to what they perceive as their rightful social position. I hope you researchers are paying attention, WE'VE DESTROYED THE FAMILY UNIT, consequences coming to a school near you. These aren't children, its Lord of the Flies, may God have mercy on us all.Watch out Earth Mothers, keep your babies close..
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Ehhhh
Something is missing from the story definitely
... I bet they were getting high and didn't want to call 911
I was in a frat for a year. It was alright, but I ended up leaving that college. We wernt really hazed or nothing like that and the pledgeship wasn't that bad but I just felt they try to mold you into like everyone else. You gotta wear the same shoes, the same shorts, same shirts and they give you shit if you don't. I made some good friends, but after I left I found out most those guys were fake friends. Didn't hear anything from me and only tried to get in touch with me when they wanted to see if they could get money out of me. Hey fraternities are for some ppl. But it wasn't for me
Funny how the news report keeps referring to the suspects or defendants as brothers one brother Googled while another brother
Why didnt think guy call 911!!? Gees. He's is just as guilty
I think this guy believed his frat brothers hype but in this case he should have followed his instincts. He will have to live with his decision for the rest of his life.
This could be another Netflix hit like 13 Reasons Why!
#JustSaying 🙄
Jay Kay burning sands on Netflix already a film about it
Sensei Sunshine and that movie is very sad
@@shonsingletary7350 Still to this day I can never finish that movie
Fraternities = wanna be alphas/tough guys.... Their faces are priceless when a real gangster/tough guy enters the room...
he still should've called 911 or campus the emt 🤷🏾♀️ he did as much as everyone else involved
That guy isnt innocent either. He could have called 911 when nobody was around him. Maybe he was afraid of being kicked out of the faternity.
Sounds like a women that slapped a friend because her son broken her Jaw. Insane!
My heart goes out to this family and any who lose a beloved. Had they just got him to the hospital they could have assess the cranial bleed. Between the alcohol & head injury.
Very sorry for all these people’s pain!
The intent of covering it up was very much there.
If Kordel tried to leave, would he be alive today...or would he too have had...an accident?
So if he was watching children being molested or a woman gang raped and
he wanted to call 911 but others wouldn't let him, he wouldn't be able
to call 911.
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Does he own a Cell Phone?
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Does he know how to use a Cell Phone?
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Did they tie him up for 12 hours?
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Could he have stepped outside and used a cell phone or asked someone to call 911 who owns a cell phone?
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Could he have walked to the Security office on campus and ask them to call 911?
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Could he have walked to a business and asked them to call 911?
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This guy is a hero, please give him a medal.
I immediate thought "Is he related to Mike Piazza?"
Did that kid call police tho?
Someone there, pledge or not should have called 911. Sad.
2:35 and why didn't this friend call 911 right away?
Do not call each other a brother!A real brother would never let this happen to him...what absolute idiots!Close frats down...end of story...too many kids dying!
For all those blaming the guy who told them to call the cops… you all do realize he was being hazed too right? Even if he left the room there were probably other frat brothers in the house that would have stopped him from leaving and he was probably in fear of his own life after what he just witness. He could have also been afraid that he would be killed during the cover up. People do some crazy things, unthinkable things when their backs are against the wall. It’s easy to say “if it were me, I would have”
What no one else is saying. Some of them have had to had gone to sleep, while he was dying.
this story makes me sick to my stomach. how did so many people have such blatant disregard for another person’s life?
This is crazy! This is murder! This is bs complete bs! I don't care about intent or not they need to pay for this junk!
Ugh this makes me sick. Seems like part of the problem is that these kids know the hazing rituals are dangerous and wrong, so when someone is seriously injured they don't immediately call for help. But like, do they think people just miraculously recover from serious injuries without medical intervention? They clearly don't seem to care about the pledges, but even from a selfish standpoint, why wouldn't you get them help as soon as possible? Just seems like some of these organizations are full of people that think they're entitled to everything and can get away with anything.
Fraternities and Sororities need depleted. There is no reason to have them. The benefit they bring to any school could be brought by something much more positive, more healthy, and more.
Not one of them would last 5 mins in the Marines..clowns
I heartily endorse this natural selection. Fraternities forever!
These fraternities are the future upper class of the US, it is very disturbing that their group psychology and rituals are so destructive and hostile.
Crazy that their pledge of oath to keep the things they do under the rug is almost in all instances, kept! Why are we still breeding herd mentality?!?
I am proud of the one who did plead guilty
If u truly think something is not right act fast don't depend on someone else because what if they don't care. This guy, he said he tried but why no call for help appeared. You're not saying this because u feel guilty and wanted to cover up. RIP young man!!
Fraternities, in and of themselves, should be outlawed. Way too many kids end up dying because they want to belong to one. Others end up feeling useless or unloved.....unwanted.
Not very good brothers! 'Family' are supposed to look out for each other not bully one another! This is sickening!
This kid couldn't go and call in secret even if he was scared of retaliation he could've called! I don't believe him.
This reminds me of burning sands
That's not Hazing...that's literal torture, especially that stuff on the end JEEZ!
I have been to college recently, in frat houses and around fraternity members. It is actually pretty common practice not to help those who have drank too much. I have seen people drink so much that they blacked-out mid-chug and hit the floor. Nobody around would help, but instead laugh and make fun of the person who "couldn't hold their alcohol." Often times these people were just left alone until they sobered up. Even if that meant the drunk person who was passed out was laying in the middle of the room. It was common practice (where I was) to just leave them, laugh at them, and make jokes about how weak they were. I don't drink but would still attend the parties because of friends and what I witnessed was pretty shocking. One time I was so worried about a random guy's well-being after passing out that I begged strangers to help me lift him up to move him to a more comfortable area like a couch instead of the kitchen floor. You would have thought I was asking people to give me their first born child. Here is a view from my perspective --> None of the frat boys from Penn State wanted Timothy Piazza to pass away that night. From my own experience, I would say that none of the frat boys even realized at the time how bad Timothy's condition was. They probably didn't expect that time to be any different from all the other times when students got too intoxicated, blacked out, etc. I would say this is the reason they did not feel the need to involve authorities. They were expecting Timothy to eventually just sober up and deal with his own "boo boos" from the night, as many other students have done before him. Over time the frat boys came to a realization that Timothy was actually seriously injured and out of fear of punishment they made the poor decision to ignore it, and probably with hopes Timothy, like the many before him, would make it through with a crazy hazing story to tell. I feel like the majority of the responsibility should fall on Timothy and not the frat boys. I don't think the futures of those frat boys should be in shambles because Timothy's desire to fit in was so strong that he drank more than he could handle. The frat boys should have called the authorities, but I can understand why they didn't at the same time. The real issue we should be examining is drinking in fraternities & college house parties. None of the frat boys from Penn state involved with Timothy's death are murderers, they are just really, really STUPID college-aged men. That is my take anyways, I could be way off.
M. S. I get your story and all but when someone falls drunk down a flight of stairs that should have been a BIG, BIG RED FLAG regardless!!!
Timothy was coerced. Essentially forced. People pretend these kids have choices but when you're young & want to fit in, surrounded by people- seemingly with authority- they feel forced to do it. The psychology on hazing is very clear that these people are taken advantage of. Many people, myself included, have consumed waaay too much alcohol without truly understanding the risks of being so drunk you've lost control of your bodily functions and aren't responsive. That's the whole problem. We need kids to understand that drinking large amounts of very concentrated alcohol (liquor over beer) in a short amount of time isn't something that defines "will power" and "strength". It's biology & chemistry. The macho culture of drinking a lot and being able to "handle your liquor" is dangerous and needs to be the first thing to change. Stop associating binge drinking with being cool or elite, it's just problematic? Second thing is to get these kids to really understand how different amounts of alcohol with different alcohol % affects them & when someone loses control of faculties, it's time to call 911.
So let me get this straight, the kid not charged said he was the only one who helped. NOT TRUE! He said the others made him leave, yeah so what stopped him from calling 911??? No one was holding a gun to his head. Sickening
Future republican voters.
I would've left and called for help.... that's what a true friend would do.
Grown ass man wasn’t smart enough to know when to stop drinking. Who’s fault is that? What you expect from a frat? A sensitive emotional conversation? Maybe they can get some money now by suing the alcohol manufacturer ? How many times did you call for help after getting wasted with your drinking buddies or even when you’re sober ?
If my five-year old son ever decides to pledge one day, I might disown him. He can't put me into that kind of heartache.
Kordell Davis didn't leave the room and call 911 since he was soooo concerned? Why Kordell???
Maybe if it was not illegal for them to be drinking then someone would have reported it sooner and this young man would be alive
Cordell, could've left the scene immediately pulled his FN phone out and call 911. He's on GMA with his sad story but he didn't go far enough. That's what you're supposed to do is leave the area and call 911 NOT sit there and look like a loser because a bunch of your friends are having a good time and you didn't want to spoil it for them.
Oh yeah, blame the one kid with a conscious
i am glad those things are forbidden in my country
I promise you he took more than 4-5 shots
The guy done nothing to help, none of them did, my god.....
because they were worried about saving their own asses I hope they all get life in prison
That poor boys blood alcohol level was that high... I am just sick.
Watch the movie ''The Riot Club'' it's so simmilar
Trust me I would be in Jail if someone did this to my child and didn't help cause I would them down , so wrong on every level , smh
This jag off thinks he's the hero in the situation. He's the biggest coward of them all... He's the one who recognized their was a serious health problem... WHY THE HELL DIDNT HE CALL 911 HIMSELF?
He got IMMUNITY in exchange for his testimony lol!
really no cell phone and smart enough to go to college????
It's not always somebody else's fault. His decision to drink and join a fraternity.
That does not excuse the actions of the frat brothers. Why is there the hazing activity in the first place?
So.... why didn’t you just call bro? You need someone to hold your hand? Useless 🤦♀️
This sickens me, I think they should have older adults overseeing these initiation gatherings - I dare not call it hazing because “supposedly” there are rules against that 🙄
"becoming a man". 🤣 There is nothing manly about fraternities.
Did they pour liquor down his throat?
No.
I'm sorry.
I doubt they thought he was dying or they intended for him to die.
Intent matters.
chloweful oh, please!! 😟
chloweful I was looking for a intelligent comment and this one is it. I AM JOINING A FRAT AND I HAVE TO GET SO DRUNK I CANT THINK STRAIGHT. I WILL PASS. This man was suppose to get up and leave.
You have to be really stupid to think after falling 15 feet of stairs plus repeated falling on his head that he wasn't at risk to die! You never ever should ignore a head injury. They watched him die a slow and painful death! that's murder.
penn state is back at it again eh
That 911 operator knew what was up immediately lol they deal with that call plenty I’m sure
Charging these guys w manslaughter is what they need to do when this happens in fraternity’s this needs to stop