Family of student killed in alleged hazing incident breaks its silence l GMA
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The parents of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity pledge Stone Foltz, 20, who died after an alleged drinking incident at Bowling Green State University, are calling for charges to be filed.
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That whole "boys will be boys" thing is not aging well.
@@fruitymonkey8641 some die others don’t
It never has sadly.
this has nothing to do with that statement
Who said that? I don't see that saying has any part here.
At all
Are these college kids stupid? 40 shots in a short amount of time? That’s alcohol poisoning!
Edit ***"these college kids*** was not referred to the victim, but to his peers who may or may not understand drinking. I wrote this comment with anger towards the victim's peers. My apologies to everyone who misinterpreted my comment and hurt them or caused misunderstanding in the process. This is an unfortunate case with so much sadness. What was supposed to be, was taken away too soon. Prayers and love to friends and family of the victim.
Ya think?
Right! Remember the kid that died from water intoxication some years ago? Do they ever think to say no??
What’s a « short amount of time »?
Yes they literally are
They in college yet are this stupid . Smh
As a college professor, I'm horrified. I look at my students as my academic children. I lost a student to a terrible allergic reaction to medication. She had a stroke and died at 21. I could barely keep my composure as I sat in audience at her funeral. I still can't believe that lovely and wonderful young woman is gone. It's heartbreaking. Hazing has to stop. Our children are the most precious people on the earth. I never want to watch another student be taken away. It's awful and crushing.
Stroke in NOT and "allergic reaction" what medication was it ?
It sounds very dangerous like most of the defective big pharma poisons being marketed like candy these days , you should at least tell us what it was
As a educator its your oath duty to tell students to not join cults.
There not children!
@@sierrachoco5271 shut up.
@@user-ct5bz1ty1u fuck off!
Honestly I thought hazing ended years ago after too many deaths. Sue the school...make them WANT to shut it down.
Thoughts and prayers go out to Stones family and friends.
Hazing never ended and probably never will. There will always be fraternity members who insist on maintaining the rituals (drinking, beatings, etc.) that they endured to become members.
@@seriousone8030 I too thought schools had banned hazing and were more active in monitoring fraternities and sororities. It’s absolutely disgusting and so disappointing that these activities still take place.
I think hazing is illegal but this does not mean it doesn't happen.
There should be a law against this. Prison for the rest of the kids. No way in hell should they get away with this!
I agree! Hazing in sports seems to have pretty much stopped but fraternities sororities it’s alive and well
It's sad and pathetic that the young adult had to die due to social peer pressures.
@Jesus' Body Man. I can tell the compassion of CHRIST is overflowing in you! 18 is not a child. These parents lost their son...their baby. And thats all you have to say. Pray about where your heart is at.
@Jesus' Body seems like you’re more of a Pharisee type than knowing anything about Jesus...
I’m not a Christian, in part due to the evil rhetoric spewed by people like you. You’re helping satan out more than Jesus, ever consider that? Satan seduces with hatred and self righteous judgement...Jesus demonstrated love and grace.
Jesus hung out with the tax collector, spoke to and listened to the prostitute, his example was one of humility, kindness, connection and compassion.
You might want to revisit what it’s all about, the fruits of the spirit, working on your own stuff.
You can NOT simultaneously judge and love someone.
What’s it going to be? What changes the world more?
What would you want from someone else? Judgment or love.
God is love. At least try to be more of that.
@Jesus' Body I said nothing about how someone feels.
It’s about YOU, whether you are extending grace, love etc.
Plus YOU know nothing about their relationship with god.
ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT.
That includes YOU.
God didn’t ask for YOU to be the judge, I’m pretty sure he’s got that covered. So, quit trying to usurp his job, look how that turned out for satan.
Work on you.
Your love will convince others of a god that exists...far more than your hypocritical self righteousness.
You’re doing a great job being satans right hand man. Unwittingly,
You need a redo of your heart.
I’m not Christian...yet, I have more love, more divine, because I’m not fundamentally bound by rhetoric and propaganda. I believe in god being love and of redemption and relationship.
Your approach is anti-love, anti-connection, anti-relationship.
Consider your actual goals and how you’re obstructing them.
Self awareness and general spiritual awareness seems acutely off your radar. Wake up.
@Alyssa Willie some people are always like that
@Jesus' Body judging a person is also a sin. matthew 7:1 better hope you don’t die while judging someone or you will go to hell according to your logic. good luck to you.
I will never understand the measures you have to go through just to be apart of a club. Yeah Yeah, spare me the B.S about this being more than just a club. Completely outrageous!
Agreed.... more like a cult. These schools should have to pay out the ass. Maybe they'll shut this shit down!
Buggs and Love English....you both could not have said it better!!!
Thank You!
Agree!!!! I never had a desire to “pay to have friends.” I tell my kids that’s all fraternities and sororities are and you not fall into that trap of peer pressure.
So true. I wanted to pledge but after hearing what some of my friends and others that I knew had to go through I knew it wasn’t for me.
Not all frats drink
These groups need to be cancelled. Hell, they cancel everything else, this happens all the time. It's time to shut these pledge houses down!
Ted Cruz would swoop in with dr. Seuss to defend them lol
No such thing as a pledge house
Pledge house? 😂😂😂
Fraternities and sororities how about that?
Never looked at it that way. Cancel culture is alive & well. Why don’t they cancel these chapters?!🤔
Y’all please never join Greek Life. My entire life was turned upside down the moment I joined a sorority.
Duh. Why would you even join? Lol
Why? What happened?
How many sorority sisters and frat brothers did you know that may have become alcoholics due to the toxic culture of Greek Life? A lot of alcoholism begins in college because there are parties happening constantly and alcohol always seems to be flowing at them.
No, i have family members that joined i guess its where you attend because nothing bad ever came out of their experiences
All fraternities get away with such things. It needs to end permanently. This is inexcusable and must end forever.
Follow the money... some of these frats could get away with murder
Sure do, they are never punished. I live 5 minutes away from UNC. These kids be outta hand
White privilege
No they don’t
It's all about money. Universities will never get rid of them
It’s sad that this KEEPS HAPPENING. People never learn.
It is. But because there is no way for universities to enforce these rules. It's very hard when parties and hazing take place off campus too. Also, many kids join these orgs for social acceptance -- many just want to make friends or be a part of something "cool," but there usually are so many consequences.
@@SLone3251 well maybe we need stop promoting a culture that endorses drinking and drugging oneself into a stupor and degrading oneself for the entertainment of others, as cool. Something needs to be done. We can’t just sit by and say, “oh well, that’s what young people do. they’re gonna do what they’re gonna do.” We need to change.
@@nadinadi8385 I agree but how are we gonna do that when 1) this kinda behavior has gone on for DECADES in the Greek system, and 2) Kids these days are maturing faster than ever before? You can teach someone all the good and upright things about acceptance and navigating early adulthood, but they're still going to be pressured in some ways or go into something thinking it's one thing and it turns out to be something else. And kids going into college are going to naturally take more risk and explore different things. You'd have to delete social media and ban partying to stop this behavior. I don't think education can help (D.A.R.E and S.A.N.E. sure didn't, altho those were for drugs, not alcohol)...but I don't know what preventative systems can be put into place to prevent hazing. I don't know. Cuz clearly the light approach universities are taking doesn't do shit. We've had 3 or 4 deaths this year already from Greek-related partying/drinking.
i 100 percent blame his parents. if my child called and told me she had to do some drinking ritual to get into a fraternity i would have absolutely told her not to especially if she did not want to do it in the first place. the internet is riddled with stories about teens losing their lives to dumb s**t like this. i show them to my daughter whenever one pops up on my timeline. also, i raised her to have confidence in herself so she knows she does not need approval from others to feel good about herself. these deaths are so unnecessary. rip to this young man and shame on his parents.
@@beamarla8218 I don’t know. I think those parents feel terrible enough without people blaming them for their adult child’s decision.
If they had zero tolerance then this would not have happened.
They always say that
To cover there ass
They need to make sure they stand by what they say
Exactly. Universities do not monitor or enforce any of these rules. And Greek life extends well beyond campus, and you can't control what behavior goes on elsewhere. The only way to stop this kinda crap is to ban Greek life altogether or have required police presence at all parties, but both solutions seem impossible.
Statistically zero tolerance doesn't do shit.
@@SLone3251 they are banned in my school
@@luisjaramillo8839 That's good. I know it's unfair because there are some academic-/major-based frats/sororities that supposedly don't do alcohol-/physical-based hazing (just making you memorize stuff) but better safe than sorry.
40 shots would kill anyone how incredible stupid this was tragic
If the President aka chief is still dropping bombs on people .. what do you expect the population to do ? Care about human life? Nah ..
@@agnidas5816 this doesn’t apply and makes no sense whatsoever...?
Maybe they should get rid of these fraternity's period because it seems like things like this continue to happen and nothing is done to those spoiled ass brats who do it.
PIKE and other fraternity runs our school. BGSU constantly is shoving Greek life down our throats. This same frat has a history of getting in trouble of campus but it took a second death for them to finally do something about it.
Preach!!!
Amen
Yes!
“It’s part of the ritual. I don’t want to do it but I have to”. That’s kid speak for I want my mom to put her foot down and tell me no.
I Agree.
she should have told him his parents would be prouder of him if he didn't pledge than pledge. not i'll call you at 10 to see how it's going
He basically begged her to help him. I'm so baffled. Her agreeing to call him to check up on how it's going, is in itself agreement with him doing that mess. 😒
@@mogulmade Right??? She did not respond properly and that is so sad!
I think this is a powerful insight
The boys who made him do this should be charged with manslaughter and kicked out of college. Furthermore, they should be made to produce Public Service Announcements on doing this ignorant stuff in the first place.
Nobody made him do anything. He wanted to do it. If you had lived, he would be doing next year to someone else's kid.
@@clarifyingquestions did you hear what his mother said??? He didn't want to do it!!!!! They force him to drink! I can't even imagine what this parents are going thru. 😥
@@cilluzza08 Yes, but they did not force hime to be there. And when he told his mom about the forced drinking she said - well that sounds dumb but I will call you at 10 to see how it is going and she said she never called . I can't imagine what his parents are going through either.
@@clarifyingquestions He did NOT want to do it . Not only was he not even old enough to drink but peer pressure , bullying , intimidation , humiliation , assault , insults are all part of it , not to mention joining a fraternity affects the future , potential employment opportunities , business contacts , support from past Alumni , monetary help etc so it isnt really a "choice" to not join . This has gone on forever and all the schools are aware of it and simply ignore it because money matters to them far more than their students and their lives do . By not making it absolutely clear that "drinking contests " being required or any type of hazing , bullying , intimidation etc to join a fraternity is completely banned and any Fraternity caught doing it will be closed immediately and all students in that fraternity expelled for good at the very least then the schools are responsible and need to be held accountable .
@@cindy2145 Yup He did not want to do it but showed up anyways to do it. Sad that he even told his mom ( most adult kids would not) and all she said was that's dumb ( referring to the drinking game) and told him she d call him an hour after it started to check in on him and then she never did that. Also, because he was under the drinking age she could have informed the police, campus security etc. Again he told his mom BEFORE he did it. He told her he didn't want to do it. He told her before he went ( days, hours? ). I get it what you are saying about peer pressure, campus life all true - that is why parenting is so hard between the ages of 16 - 24 you are not physically with your kids and they are "adults" ie kids with opportunities to make adult decisions. But he called his mom....told her how he ws feeling - and all she could say was well that s dumb and I will call you an hour after the drinking starts to see how you are doing. Wake up call to all parents. And fyi she said she never made the 10 pm call. At midnight she was informed that her son was dad. Blame all the things you have no control over or look in the mirror. I thank her for her story and hope the Internet gets the parenting aspect. Unfortuneltly people go right to blaming others. I think their is enough responsibility to go around but as a mother myself I take full responsibility for my actions - not my son s and not society's but my own. I am very lucky that all three of my sons and my daughter made it to there thirties healthy: emotionally, physically and financially. My condolences to the family of this young man. It is heart breaking.
Criminal charges for those responsible. You can't keep someone against their will and prevent them from leaving for any reason, much less to drink a lethal amount of alcohol.
He did many really have to. He chose to because he wanted to join their group.
@Angel 24 this video is the link.
the kid was not held against his will. he was not kidnapped or held hostage. nobody forced him to stay. he made a conscious choice to stay and participate in the event. regardless of whether you like it or not, these are the facts.
@chris kibodeaux I'd love to hear how your opinion would change if it was your child who died from hazing.
@@fjp9 Same for you, I wish you could be put in the same position as these parents. It would knock you down a peg.
Why are we even allowing frats right now? There's a pandemic going on! This should have NEVER happened! Most these college kids are too young to drink! Who the hell bought all the alcohol and told him to drink? Those people should be charged with murder! She forgives then so that's going to stop them from doing it again!? No it doesn't! Forgiveness is amazing but holding them RESPONSIBLE is the only thing that wi stop them from doing this again!
lots of fraternities are on campuses and lots of people live in the houses. just like they aren’t kicking kids out of dorms, they aren’t going to kick people out of the frat or house just because there is a pandemic going on.
There was just a story of a similar incident about 2 weeks ago
These happen every year and then nothing gets done afterwards
Also why is drinking a dangerous amount of alcohol part of an initiation ritual
Just stupid
They want someone to die at these things it’s sick!!
Should be mandatory education in high school on the dangers of hard liquor.
I teach health to high school freshmen and teach a whole unit of it.
@@MsJujubee3 thanks for your reply. What I'm wondering is if examples are given, like: 21 shots of whiskey will probably kill you. Also is it only taught once, to freshmen? Kids need reminding.
Its taught in middle school, highschool, and drivers ed
It is. But some young adults believe they're invincible.
From elementary to highschool I was taught the dangers of drinking, most schools teach it for health class, drugs and alcohol are like the main things they touch on
What is going on in humanity honestly 😭
I know right.
I know right
@M VB stop being a troll seriously its gross. His life mattered.
@M VB To everyone who knew him. Seriously what is wrong with you. He has family and friends you wouldnt want someone to talk about your family member like that. Have some respect tf
@M VBit’s news buddy you’re comparing a breaking news story to this. That shooting was covered as it should’ve been it doesn’t take it away from it. What a dumb take🤣
40 shots wtf, that's suicide
I went to college and was never interested in joining a frat. People need to be aware, that thi stuff happens.
way more often than not. i have never been to a frat party where at least one person didn't pass out from alcohol/drugs.
I found out that you need to pay to be a part of it. I was appalled. That's not how they show it in movies...
@@lamoskgr yes, you typically have to pay dues each semester, and if you go to a college in a big city that doesn't have an on-campus frat living situation, they'll pretty much force you to live with your fraternity brothers in whatever house/place everyone wants, regardless of price. most of the activities you go on are paid for out-of-pocket, and fraternities give you absolutely no leg up in academia. you're, literally, paying for friendship as opposed to joining one of the many free organizations that are typically on campuses. it's a ridiculously stupid thing to join.
same and it definitely does even if its banned.
geed
*WAIT* so he calls his mom and tells her he's going to be under age drinking as apart of "initiation," she's had many conversations with him about fraternities, and she didn't put a stop to it right there? oh, and when i was in university (about 4 years ago), there was a fee that was paid every single semester. almost every single person needed their parents to pay that fee. not to mention the various activities you're forced to do that cost money. i call absolute bs that this mother and father had no clue what was going on, and find it disgusting that she admits to knowing what was going to happen and didn't do a single thing to stop it.
RIGHT! I would of drove 2 hours to that damn school and who ever wanted to knuckle up for trying to keep my child against they will would of got it and I mean I would came with everything because who do these students think they are, to make this young man do this or not letting him leave when he wanted to...that’s some BS...knowing my child though she ain’t gonna tolerate somebody telling her she can’t leave my baby will fight yo ass, she knows when to defend herself and get out of situations...this is so unfortunate I’m so sad for this young man and his mother failed him the moment he told her this was taking place and she wasn’t proactive about actually doing something to get her baby out that situation...because what the hell is texting him doing for him when he’s being forced to drink pretty much 40 shots all at once this baby prolly wasn’t even near his phone....I can’t believe this😔😔😔
I was looking for this comment! Where is her personal accountability....your son TOLD YOU that he was feeling peer pressured into drinking and you just sat on your ass. You couldn't even be bothered go call him back at 10pm like you said you would. Sounds like typical affluent neglect. Most parent I know would have been at that school by 8:30pm latest smh.
@@britw2887 my parents drove 5 hours one way, picked me up, then immediately turned around and drove five hours back every single break my freshman year of college. they spent 10 hours sitting in a car just to have me spend a long weekend with them. you better believe my tuition, rent check, and life would have been cancelled the second i told my mom i was doing some initiation gang ritual that involves drinking. i would have been going to CC two miles away from their house unless i was feeling rich enough to go away to school myself. bs they couldn't do anything. it's not even the drinking part, it's the fact that this is literally stereotypical. like, anyone could have seen it coming.
@@ReluctantGarbageCollector OOOHkay! two hours ain't shit when someone you love is in trouble
Exactly, I feel his parents could've done more that would've saved his life. He would've still been alive today if they drove over to the school and got him out of there. He trusted his mother enough to let her know what was going on and neither of them could do something to protect him other than texting? They had more than enough time to stop this from happening. Oh, and what happened to checking up on him at 10? They are just as responsible.
This is so heartbreaking,they killed that boy
how did they killed him??
He killed himself in a pathetic bid to "fit in" with people he would've only been in contact with for like two years of his life and then never see again.
@@selurxelpirt ohh thx but what he did tho like how he did it tho??
@@Pinker754 he died from drinking too much alcohol in a short period of time.
This is plain outrageous this needs to stop 🛑 how many more Stones are going to die 😢🙏🏻🙏🏻prayers to this family and may their be justice in this horrific situation that’s plegging our children
The school should also be held responsible also. They allow these criminal organizations to run on their property with endorsement. Rituals from "Greek life" in America 3000yrs later is wierd and unnecessary anyway.
I agree something should be done but unfortunately it wasn’t in their property. This happened off campus miles away from campus
Greek life exists in other countries as well complete with the initiation rituals (aka hazing) and it just needs to stop altogether. I don't understand why these schools and organisations even allow this to happen and yet are very strict in the classroom with regards to integrity. These are people's lives we're talking about.
Edit: Hazing is also part of dorm life in some cases. So, even if Greek life doesn't exist in that part of the world, hazing is still very possible.
Edit 2: I don't condone relaxing rules for integrity in the classroom and getting away with plagiarism and stuff like that. I was trying to say that if they want to be so strict in the classroom, why not have stricter rules for extracurricular functions like clubs?
What do actual Greeks think of this?
These boys (and their families) have gone soft. Never let another man or other men "haze" you, they're basically assaulting you and torturing you, making you endure all sorts of weird bizarre rituals.
They willingly do it
I'm from Ohio and this happens a lot here because of the culture... Overall, underage drinking. Unfortunately, it's acceptable until someone dies from hazing or drunk driving. Bowling Green is a known "Party school," the culture def has to change at that school period. Condelences to the parents... So sorry for this young man's loss of life. His legacy is that he has saved a lot of lives through organ donation and hopefully, awareness and change to dangerous hazing rituals. RIP Stone.
I’m from about 40 minutes from BG and remember the kids I graduated with went there or UT because of their reputations as party schools rather than for the academics. My mom graduated from BG, and has some crazy stories-and she wasn’t even in a sorority. Things have needed to change at that school for decades.
Is there any actual learning happening?
Why haven’t the names and photos of those who were there not being released??? There must’ve been a leader and his minions there that were telling these pledges to drink a whole handle of alcohol. They need to be held accountable for their actions.
Hello
Who would you want to release pictures?
The school
Yes,this was murder. Those responsible should be charged immediately.A young life was taken for no good reason.
@@sonyaberry9805 They have no responsibility to do so.
Mr and Mrs Foltz, I am so very sorry for your loss. 🙏
Fraternities need to grow up. So sorry for the parents great loss. R.I.P. young handsome man.
I have worked in “academia” for 30 years and it continues to blow my mind that universities and colleges continue to turn a “blind eye” toward this horrific behavior. I hope these parents sue Bowling Green as well as the Frat. Bless their son💕🙏🏼🙏🏼
I blame the idiot Mother. HE told you it was a Drinking ritual. He said he not comfortable with it. You should have stopped him there mom..You failed to save your son right then
Let's not forget he was also not 21.
This should not have been a hazing ritual for the young man...Point blank period...The university and fraternity and it’s members should be held accountable in the death of this young man.
Yeah , my mom would’ve said hell no you ain’t doing that, Idc who they are, I’m not going to stand by and let them do this to you
So her son was murdered by his own hand? His own decision? He told his mom he didn't wanna do it and she just said ok call me later. WTF? How can he be murdered if it's something he did to himself? Sorry he gave into peer pressure but nobody killed him. She's in denial and looking for someone to blame. She knows it's HER for not trying to stop him....it's written all over her face.... bless this family and boy though...
Ya, she is at fault too! I can't believe she just asked why and said okay... If I were the mother, I would even go down to his school just to stop that from happening. She underestimated the consequences..
Absolutely not victim blaming, it is atrocious that this happened and those who forced him to continue drinking need to be held accountable. But PLEASE value yourself and your health and safety over joining a group/club. It's just not worth the risk, and if those are the type of people you'll be joining, you won't be in good company.
Rip Stone and my heart goes out to his loved ones ❤
Exactly - and parents if your son comes to you about a hazing drinking game - don't say that s dumb, say no and stay on the line and talk them off the cliff to idiocy. I can't understand his mom not taking any responsibility. It was a gift that he shared his doubts BEFORE....she says I ll call you an hour after the drinking game starts to see how you are doing....that is dumb and then even dumber never bothered to follow through and check up on him like she told him she would.
@@clarifyingquestions yes! There are dozens of things my adult kid wants to do and I say ABSOLUTELY NOT! We as parents, stand firm and spend time talking about how we don’t approve and don’t give up until they don’t do it. The Parents need to realize they could have affected the outcome. Or at least try to.
As a parent to a 12 year old boy yes we can and do our part but at the end of the day it's up to our children to make their own decisions. We cant baby walk them through life and unfortunately the world and personal experiences will mold them even with having a solid base.
I think when it comes down to safety and life or death situations, parents still have a responsibility. I'm 28 but if I was going to make a life threatening decision my dad would step in, and I would want him to. Otherwise he's there for advice, support and a listening ear. Yes, they need to learn lessons and make decisions for themselves, but if they can't see the dangers in what they're doing, and the parent does, they still have something to teach and responsibility to uphold. Now I don't have children, but I can say I would rather make an executive decision or overstep with my child (adult or otherwise) and have them still be around even if they hate me for it, than to let them make a decision and lose them to it.
@@kittymeowmeow93 What I am saying is parents are not around 24/7 to make decisions for our kids nor will we be around forever. You can teach a child morals, values and to have compassion for others but it doesn't mean they will stick to those teachings.. How many people come from great homes with amazing parents but still make their own decisions to choose to do wrong. Of course if I know or see my child making a not so good decision I will step in. Like I stated before we can show and teach but it doesn't mean they will be good people or make good decisions.
Wait a minute did she just say that her son called her and said that he has to drink for some initiation ritual and days before he also called her and told her that he felt unsafe and peer pressured and her and husband didn’t immediately drive down there to get him I’m so confused
Right! She's at fault too idc
I’m kinda angry at the parents too. They were aware of the drinking ritual and didn’t even suggest that he step down from pledging. Just told him that it “sounds stupid”.
I don't want to be victim-blaming here but if it was my parents, they'll be yelling at me nonstop until they either drive to the school and drag me out of the school themselves then give me an ass-whoopin' for following these dumb shits. They won't just say "that sounds dumb, ok let me know how it goes afterwards, bye".
I agree with that too. If it were me I would’ve told my son back out don’t do it don’t join the fraternity get out. But in the end the boy was the one who ultimately made the decision to go forward. So I think it’s many aspects to this
@@ft.jackjimmy7282 yep. I was one of those parents
Me too..I'm sorry it was only 2hrs drive away. I would have been right there.
the funny thing is i wonder who was paying the fees, etc for the fraternity. him or his parents? if it was his parents they could have easily said, we don’t want you to be a part of this and we aren’t going to pay for it,
People need to stop forcing people to do things they don't want to. This is heartbreaking and I hope those involved will be held accountable. My condolences to the family.
@Free Man Brah, 1:15 - 1:30🤦.
@@KrazyKrzysztof Stone was 20 i'm pretty sure
@@KrazyKrzysztof i did
he was not forced to be there. he was not held against his will, kidnapped, or taken hostage. he chose to be there and to participate.
@@KrazyKrzysztof murdered... by choosing to drink too much alcohol in too short of a period of time. he chose to do that to his body. you can classify it as murder if you want but then he would be the person who murdered himself for all intents and purposes of the wording here. personally, i don’t think he meant to kill or murder himself in any manner, but if you want to think that he murdered himself or that somebody else murdered him. your call. personally i think people should be responsible for their own choices and not blame others. apparently you don’t. we can agree to disagree. good luck to you.
He wasn’t murdered. He made a choice that cost him his life. Sorry you lost your son but he was an adult and made his own decision.
Parents should have said "No don't do this stupidity." 😔
Yes, let’s blame the parents!! Kids his age don’t do what Mummy says, they want to be part of their own age group activities, and they don’t expect to die doing that.
@@aircastles1013 Not a kid a grown man who made his own decisions. No one forced him to do it
He would've done it anyways. Sadly his mind was made up. 😢
I went to BGSU and I was told to STAY AWAY FROM THIS FATERNITYS PARTIES, and thank god I did...
Same! I went there and always thought Greek life wasn’t a big thing at BG compared to say OSU and this story shook me. I knew maybe one girl in a sorority but always understood what frats were all about and found it disgusting. My sis was in Greek life at another school and said they were not allowed booze in the sorority house so the went to the frats to drink. Great. This whole culture needs to make serious changes or be over.
You don’t need a fraternity to feel you belong and be accepted,. You only need good and supportive friends you can rely on who are good influence in your life
Really sad that this happened, but it’s not like the young man had a gun to his head and forced to drink. If you didn’t want to do it then don’t do it. Those people in fraternity weren’t his real friends. And as for the parents, (again really sad and no parent should ever go through this) he called/texted you that he didn’t want to do it and was probably scared. Do something about it! My ass would have driven there! Who cares if you’re embarrassing him, rather that then dead.
Yep.
When the mother spoke to him last, and the son said that it was scheduled to start 9:00 PM, why didn't she tell him to just leave.
I sure would have!
I went to college too, and I made it out alive because I chose not to participate in stupid games. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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So she knew he was going to do a stupid drinking ritual? As a mother just say thats stupid and your son not being comfortable, I wouldve done more
She was probably thinking he son would make the right decision on his own. Besides no one knew it was going to be 40 shots.
Powerful statement
“ it’s something I have to do but I don’t want to”
First of all no one has to do anything they don’t want to do. Rest in peace young man 🥲 those fraternities are out of control!!
Your son did have a choice, he could have walked away! I don't understand why people have this overwhelming desire to fit in.
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Peer pressure, they want friends.
I’m so sorry for ur loss
I hope u both get justice
aside from the pity I feel for the parents.... ummm... MOM... son, in a fraternity already let u know he wasnt allowed to leave until 2am for some reasons, that he was going to be in a DRINKING RITUAL in a FRATERNITY and wouldnt be able to leave until it was over.... and you want ownership from them and explain things from their side... can we PLEASE back up and figure out what went wrong with Mom being mom?
people keep saying the mom is just letting the kid have some independence and make his own decisions. I don't care whether or not my kid complains that I'm not giving them independence, I'd rather have them complain than Dead. He didn't call his other friends or buddies, he called his mom, and usually kids that wants freedom don't even wanna call their parents. This kid was being held hostage while the mom did nothing!
Someone dies every year from hazing it’s stupid, and senseless!! Zero tolerance!! My heart goes out to his mom dad family, and friends! ♥️
he told his mom that he was going to be participating in a drinking event. he is underaged, and all she said was that is stupid. and she blames the fraternity. smh. learn to own up to your decisions and actions.
I'm sure did not think it was going to be 40 shots. He probably did not know it was going to be 40 shots until he start drinking.
I guarantee you she did not think it was going to be 40 shots of liquor. She was hoping her son could make the right decision on his own.
@@brittanyshelley533 and that makes underage drinking any better? lol “she was hoping her son could make the right decision on his own.” are you kidding? she didn’t even try to stop him. she knew he was going to be drinking. she didn’t even tell him, hey make sure not to drink to much or to not drink and drive or if you don’t want to, don’t do it because we will still love you regardless of whether you are in a fraternity or not. all she said to him was that is stupid.
A good friend in mine was in a frat. He said that people attempted to haze him and he stood his ground. He still was able to become apart of the organization without the humiliation his brothers faced. These Fraternities are COMMUNITY SERVICE based. Why would you have to be harmed or humiliated just to become a part of a community service organization? Just say no and if that’s a problem, that’s not the organization you need to be a part of
It's murder,plain and simple.AS A MOM OF A SON AND DAUGHTER WHO WERE IN A FRATERNITY AND SORORITY.. I WOULD NOT STOP UNTIL THOSE RESPONSIBLE ..ARE CHARGED AND IN PRISON 😠.. I AM SO VERY VERY SORRY TO THE PARENTS 😭
How was it murder?
Of course it was murder.
@@manuelajager8517 But can you explain how, because I don't think it was
the kid chose to be there, and he chose to participate. if you want to look at it murder then okay, but then i think the facts say he “murdered” himself. (sorry not trying to be insensitive. just going by the wording here.)
Tried to join a sorority once and my ritual was to “stay up till 2am (on a school night) and be ready” I said yeah no thank you and ignored them when they knocked on my dorm room door. Think I saved myself from some hazing.
It’s insane to me that everyone wants to blame the frat, but not the grown man who took the shots?? Obviously frats are stupid and toxic, but that guy had the ability to say NO. His parents are to blame for not instilling character in him. It’s pretty obvious the parents are crappy because the mom KNEW what was going on and did nothing. It’s very clear in this situation that this young man chose to participate in an activity he knew was dangerous and he did it because he lacked the character to say no to peer pressure.
I said no to stupid stuff all the time as a younger girl because my dad raised me to be strong. All parents need to do that.
Wait a minute. I am confused. He's 20 years old. He even told his mother he felt forced to participate in a drinking ritual. His mother is like "Let me know how it goes" instead of telling his son to get the hell out of there and she also should have called the police on them. Hazing should never involve FORCING a kid (by the way he is under the age of 21) to drink any alcohol much less 40 shots. That's absurd!
In India we called it ragging, Our educational institutions enforced lot of things over last 10yrs to stop this kind of incident, myself didn't faced anything in freshman yr of college neither did my friends. Things improved a lot over the years.If you took right decision things bound to improve, if you can save a single life it would be beneficial to the society and community.
There is a difference. Ragging is forced. Hazing: dumb kids volenteer for it. You get hazed only if you join their group. Unlike ragging where every junior gets abuse.
Wow, this shouldn’t have happened. Sometimes you have to go with your gut if it’s telling you no. My condolences 💐 to the family...
it doesnt retract from how much more monitored these frats need to be; but the mother alluded to the fact that SHE, very well, was perhaps the only adult with prior, and confirmed knowledge, that this was indeed going to happen: I cant imagine her grief, but she is to blame if she wants to make it into a blame game
What!.... Mom: "How's the hazing going." Smdh
Absolute insanity! This was even a student who knew he didn’t want to, even talked to his mom, and STILL went through with it, all to die horribly. Sadly, it shows the immense power of peer pressure, even to the kids who have been warned, talked to, supported by parents to back out. They are right... make this BS a felony, make it not worth the risk. It needs to be too much of a risk for them to even mess around with. So sad.
Edit: Anyone wanting to say “he should’ve said No...it’s his fault”...read my reply below.
Why did he go? Nobody put a gun to his head. Peer pressure? Give me a break
Fr he should have just said no
@@cindylou3524 I agree, owning up to responsibility for your own actions is something our species lacks, immensely. I luckily was never one for crowds, big parties or having to be a part of what everyone else was doing... whether it’s due to being an introvert, anti-social, who knows. That said, peer pressure, wanting to be accepted, wanting to belong, liked, whatever that drive is, coupled with a young person’s brain being, well, ill-equipped (prefrontal cortex, the part of brain that helps a person plan ahead, balance risk, & control impulses, is one of the last regions to be fully developed, and doesn’t do so till 25-29 yrs old), is a dangerous combo.
Just as we can argue, “he should’ve just said no”, every single “frat bro” in that house, especially the ones who said after the fact “they knew it was too much, they didn’t WANT to do it, but it was tradition”... they ALL should’ve spoken TF up as well. People who have power over others (yes, fraternity & sorority pledge weeks are fueled by power) obviously have the advantage. The fact that this boy told his mom he didn’t want to BEFORE going, and still did it shows the mental BS involved. It had nothing to do with partying and getting drunk and everything to do with proving himself, not wanting to back down or “look weak”. It’s sad AF and even if not ending in death, toxic AF. So, no, I don’t accept the argument, “he should’ve just said no”.
When I say “make it a felony”, it’s for proactive measures, to detour hazing rituals like this. It needs to stop, from the frats and sororities to the pledges putting themselves into those stupid situations.
@@SarahR2D2 you can read my response to Cindy Lou... if you’re open to constructive discussion.
@@thankyouforincorrectingme Plenty of people say no. I guess truly weak people fall victim to that. Only the strong survive.
Teach your kids, from an early age, to stand up against peer pressure. If anyone tells you to do something you don´t want to do, something you feel isn´t right, don´t do it, don´t be so afraid to be the one who says no, it doesn´t matter who tells you to do it, or if "everyone else" is doing it.
Wait.....he told his mother that this “drinking ritual” was a thing he was being FORCED TO DO, and that he didn’t want to do it, and she joked about it with him, sat back, and literally forgot to contact him when it was going on??? She didn’t immediately put a stop to it??? What?!!
Bro for real I was like what the fuck she’s all like “oh well my son is dead from alcohol poisoning Woopsie!”
Something doesn’t sit right with me about the mother. She doesn’t seem to care. She could’ve done something to stop him from doing that because he was texting her before the incident happened.
I agree it needs to be stopped, they need to be handed biggest lawsuit. It’s stupidity... and pls teach your kids of self importance and self belonging.. no need to belong to any group or creed that encourages stupidity and violence
It's his own fault. No one forced him to drink, he did it to try to impress his frat bros when he could've walked away. Personal responsibility. When I was in college, I ran into a childhood friend I thought I'd never see again, and he invited me to drink. I didn't take that drink. I also didn't even have time to think about joining a fraternity. The mom didn't do her job either when she didn't stop him from doing the ritual, and not being allowed to leave should be a red flag.
Now you are driving for two hours, for a dying child, when you could go for him when he told you about the ritual, this young man was crying out for help even the last time you spoke to him.
I walked in a frat house ONCE with some friends it was so crowded with drunk kids.
My kittycat was grabbed by a strange hand out of the crowd so aggressively it left a bruise.. I immediately walked right back OUCH!
I never went back to a frat house after that..
Anytime I've ever been to a nightclub or party with a huge group of guys they are always doing dumb shit ...
They let the dumbest idiot lead them into dumb decisions..
Best wishes to the family, so unfortunate this WILL continue.
hazing needs to be illegal, its fine for fun little rituals but not shit that holds people against their will and being forced to do drugs or alcohol
they weren’t being held against their will. they weren’t kidnapped or hostages.
Hazing is illegal.
Fraternities and sororities are incredibly weird. RIP to this young man.
I was a misfit in college, so I wasn't accepted in any fraternity, maybe that was a blessing, otherwise I probably wouldn't be right here now posting this message.🍾🍻🍺🍺😣
while it's sad that this happened, he wasn't forced. He walked into the pledge house knowing he was going to drink a handle of liquor.... He told his mother exactly what he was doing that night.
A smart person would’ve known not to go. This kid didn’t have enough self esteem to say no. I would never put myself in a situation like that. And I know that greek life is for beta losers who don’t have the self love to stand alone.
Fraternity should be apart of net working after you leave school to get good jobs and better status.When it get so cruel is beyond me. He went because he want to be apart of something great. It's so sad what happen . I hope he get justice and no one else have to go through this.
@@jacquelinebailey3118 He knew what he was going to be doing that night and CHOSE to go. What happens behind frat doors is no secret and yet guys still show up to pledge and parents are still shocked when something bad happens.
Let me guess, you were in a sorority?
@@symbio-genesis2745 Lol. Nope... I never understood the whole paying to be in a club. And the fact I’m 30 😆 It’s called being an adult and taking responsibility for your part in a bad situation.
What a good looking kid. Good to hear his parents are going to pursue justice.
parents at fault, too. Everyone knows what happens in fraternaties. If your child is such a loser he needs to pay for friends, you failed him.
The National Fraternity Organization needs to be sued for EVERY DOLLAR that they have so that they are shut down for good.
Clearly their “zero tolerance policy” hasn’t meant A THING for decades because NO ONE enforces it. Bowling Green should also bear this same responsibility as they have also been contributory in their negligence.
Hearing this, I would have reported the plan to 911. School security. Pushed him to not participate, period. Fraternity that would not let him leave 2 weeks before was warning. Such a waste. Completely preventable death. Your kids are not fully grown when going to college out of high school. They may push back but still watch out for them. So very sorry. I don't get the stupid fascination with drinking.
Mom knew shouldn't have allowed it. He called for her to say don't do it but she didn't
He’s 19-20 his mom couldn’t tell him what to do . DO NOT BLANE HER THJS IS HER FUCKING SON
@@akmproductions8922 nope mom got involved she should have stepped in.
Of course these are very sad circumstances, a child was lost.
It just seems like a lot more "children" could be saved if all had to take accountability for their actions and choices in life...where people didn't try to take everyone to court that they could blame for whatever horrible accident happened.
Of course if a crime was deliberately committed against another they need to face justice.....but my goodness, if you or your loved one was willingly involved, and you knew about it!!! You are part of the problem in America "blame anyone else and take no accountability for what you chose to do". It takes away from so many who have the right to take to court the guilty".
People must learn to stand strong, and even avoid dangerous situations, instead of walking right in and participating.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is take accountability for your actions because there will be temptation and horrible dangerous things everywhere, our entire lives....it's our jobs as parents to teach our children to stand up and say no, and know how to walk away....
Not looking for ways to blame someone else for our mistakes.
It's all about ACCOUNTABILITY!
why do people want to join fraternity or sororities so badly ? ion understand tbh
Am I hearing this so called mother correctly?? He was murdered??? He made the choice, and the parents should face criminal charges for knowing that there son was participating in a dangerous hazing incident like she literally admitted in this interview and did NOTHING TO STOP IT. If I had been this parent I would’ve called the cops if I knew my child was being held hostage.
Honestly, they need to totally do away with fraternities & sororities. What good are they except to foster elitism & control. Let kids form their own friendship groups, service groups & non competitive sports. The other thing that needs to happen is to file charges for the deaths & disabilities caused by their actions. This is a tragedy that’s totally preventable.
Awful just awful. I would have walked away, your life is worth more. Much more!
I’m so sorry for your loss, it makes you think twice about joining a fraternity or sorority. If they want people to join they’re gonna have to do less extreme things.
I never did, but I never pledged.
I thought hazing was made illegal in this country! If not it should be! Every campus should have rules against it!
I don’t understand why people join organizations that have “hazing” as part of the process to get in. That doesn’t seem like a group of people I’d want to associate with. Hope that fraternity gets shut down.
What is the point of these kids going to college? Why they feel like they gotta join a fraternity? Why do they go to these events if they feel uncomfortable? Like why would you drink so many shots? College kids need to learn who they should hang out with. This is crazy!!!
This is my hometown and this isn’t the first death bgsu has had in the fraternities. It happens so much more than anyone would think. I don’t know if they said it in this video but he was a donor so he was still able to help others through his death even though it should of never happened.
The lesson here is to raise your kids to be *leaders* and not followers. I feel for the parents, especially the mother (whose self-imposed guilt is clear as day on her face), but independent thinkers don’t get caught up in this sort of abusive peer pressure. Teach your kids to value themselves more than the acceptance of others, especially when those others are pushing them to do something they feel in their bones just isn’t right (like Stone felt).
I was Greek in college and loved my experience, but this has got to stop. It’s going to take responsible alums stepping in and babysitting these kids if they want to save Greek organizations. My husband just chaperoned 15 fraternity kids over Spring Break just to make they stayed safe and out of trouble. There are so many hazing incidents that aren’t even reported. Also, so often, the schools Panhellenic and Interfraternity Council do not hold houses responsible. Unfortunately, it takes a death to occur before they get involve.
Chaperoned? Not trying to be rude, but from an outsiders perspective it seems like you are being naive and gave your husband a free pass to go party with a bunch of college kids for spring break.
This is a clear example of how peer pressure can be deadly.
They need to stop this kappa dappa appa alpa dapp pappa shi&#$
What a useless, unnecessary, & sad waste :o( Such a shame!
Responsibility. Accountability. Self love. Self esteem. Consequences.Speak up. Say no. Leave. “Every body got choices” -E40
EXACTLY. No one can make you do ANYTHING unless you’re at freaking gunpoint. We need more self responsibly and more people being accountable for their choices.
I don't understand, with social media getting out the news of other deaths connected to fraternities due to massive drinking... don't these kids understand how poisonous alcohol can be? And these kids just don't care who sies. Absolute idiocy.
God bless his family. Prayers are with them.🙏🙏those involved should be expelled and criminal charges filed against them. Current and future students need to report hazing as soon as they know about it. A sad situation for those who loved him. He's a hero now he saved lives. R.I.P. dear young one.😭
These young kids in college try to copy movies and stories they have been told about the past… You can’t replicate things that just don’t “fly“ anymore! Anyone who allows their kid to join a fraternity, realize that your kid is being put in danger in the beginning… It could be something related to alcohol, whippets or other stuff. You can still be popular, or cool without being in a fraternity… This is not high school. Fraternities are the exact definition of “peer pressure“, and since everyone is different there will always be these type of cases that happen! “Steve will do it“ ears entertaining to watch, but a terrible example for kids since he will literally drink a liter of hard alcohol within seconds. Most people will have either alcohol poisoning, or potentially fatal results to this. “Don’t be a follower, BE YOU”.
This peer pressure needs to stop. Unless he was actually threatened with possible physical harm or the drinks were forced down his throat he should have been able to say NO! His mom should not have publicly said she forgives them.
That is why I never joined a sorority bc why would I put myself through b.s. to prove my loyalty AND also pay a lot of money ..... for friends?? And honestly, most collude in cheating together by saving notes and tests or purely just having fun and drinking (a lot of underage drinking). If you want to join an organization like Accounting Society, ALPFA, or clubs like that which prompts your academics or hobbies, I am all for it. But do not say these Sororities or Franturities are there for you academic improvements.
Years ago my son was in a fraternity at URI. TO THIS DAY (he’s 44 now), he will not tell me what went on during the hazing. GET RID OF FRATERNITIES!
You need to ask why your child was willing to die to belong. Your child was not forced. He made a stupid decision.