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HAVE I FOUND THE BLENDING VALVE in this BATHROOM??
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2022
- The hunt for the blending valve continues but now with the aid of a thermal imaging camera from Hik-Micro.....but do we find it.
Also a bit more first fix plumbing on the barn renovation getting the bathrooms ready for tiling
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Pete the cabby another great job tiff 👍🏿
Thanks mate
The barn is coming on a treat now, it must be a great job to be involved with.
The blending valve must be a pain for you and the customer, now definitely some form of access
Is required, as suggested maybe remove the bath and try from under there. Then thermal camera again
or an endoscopic camera? Depending on what the customer wants to do and spend etc. Great film and
as you know my favourite channel, thank you for the continued fantastic content. Have a great rest of the
week, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Chris…
The blending valve saga has now been quoted for to rectify with a huge quote to cover the whole bathroom floor coming up…. However I have advised for the original builder to do the right thing and put it right at there expense.
@@MJTiffPlumbing Yep I see, hopefully they will come good and cover the bill etc.
Please keep us updated. Cheers, Chris.
Big fan of your videos I’m currently in the middle of level 2 plumbing at college at the age of 43 after taking a dramatic career change from being a singer 😂 I watch as many videos as possible including plumber parts and PB which are good but yours are definitely my favourite and it’s really helping me alongside the course Thankyou
Thanks Lee, appreciate that mate. Yer there is a lot of great trade channels about for people to take things from, glad you like mine mate and good look with the career👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼
I just finished 6035 level 2 last july at 55 and still can't find a job 😕😕😕 so much for upskilling and retaining aint worth a 💩💩💩
Don’t do it at that age , what you do, instead wasting your money, do the Gas course , doesn’t require plumbing courses , and you have way more chances to start as a beginner, with many companies. After that you can study plumbing at this ages is not worth it , there’s to much plumbers as it is , but not enough gas engineers.
@@edthelasttribe9580 i don't have £5400 for a 15 week fast track gas course
Meaning you can't sing worth shit.
Have a look just outside bath door under carpet. Maybe a hatch. That’s were I would have put it knowing it was going to be tiled.
Fully carpeted mate…… I only went to quote originally to sort the temp out, it’s now a big thing🤣
Remove the bath tap, put isolating flexi’s on both feeds and run them independently to confirm the hot flow. I’ve had this fault before, had to go through the wall in the bedroom to replace the bath tap, that one looks an even bigger ball-ache. I’m sure you already know this but it helps others when you vlog about it.
Yep it’s a ball ache all right
Regarding that bath tap, hopefully you can remove the bath and pull the tap up as it should have flexis on. I’d probably be looking at the tap itself having the blending valve built in. I see it a lot in commercial premises to save space. Quite intrigued to see the end of this one definitely a head scratcher.
Thanks mate, I’ve now put a quote in to try and get it sorted…. Let’s just say I’ve covered all bases🤣
Torrent/tavistock do the same cistern but as an "In Wall" version with a large flush plate which can be serviced inwall via the flush plate. Much better option than the furniture cistern when you are tiling into a wall so you dont need access doors/shelves to get into service the cistern if required. Part Code TR9009
Nice one guys👍🏼👍🏼
Regarding the bath tap have you tried changing the tap cartridge? Just thinking it could be passing cold. You could possibly test this by isolating the hot supply and then turning the tap on in the hot position and see if any water comes out.
Yep that’s an option but sadly now I’ve priced it with the worse case scenirio to cover myself
Wonder who was the bright apprentice who had the idea for this👀👀👀
Bought the pb 7.0 bag and all today hopefully here by Monday Tuesday from Toolmonster in Northern Ireland😎
I think about 300 people replied to the original video saying about thermal camera🤣🤣…….. and it was in the van at the time😉
I use carpet underlay to cover baths / showers etc. works great. Nice tip on the hot and cold
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Excellent video again mate
Thanks Andrew🙌🏼🙌🏼
Hi great vid the interest that’s been created looking the valve is just fantastic good luck in the search will be watching.👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺
Hahaa thanks Richard…… bloody valve!!!
We have new house in the US with a free standing tub in the middle of the bath. They put ours in a linen closet. The closet people were making panels and thought nothing of covering it up. I caught that and had them leave it open and attach the cover to the closet material. We would be in the same boat. Not sure if I didn't see that valve if I would ever suspect it being in a closet.
At least you spotted it mate👍🏼
Would be interesting if you managed to do a follow up (if practical) even if original installer comes back to sort.
I know your customer is in the trade and wanted that bath with the taps in that location, but I would never do that without some removable panel behind it. Different strokes!
If your a builder and it’s what you do it’s not an issue, and he knows the pros and cons of it more than most👍🏼👍🏼
I always use moisture board, hardy backer type stuff is a ball ache to cut. Just use a aqua seal type product before you tile
If fitted right it’s not an issue as you know 👍🏼👍🏼
Been watching your videos for nearly a year mate, now watching them from the other side of the world in Sydney, Australia🇦🇺 Class work again lad brilliant
Thanks Evan….. appreciate it buddy, what’s with the move??
@@MJTiffPlumbing change of scenery and weather mate. Getting into the mechanical engineering industry and refrigeration over here. Time to take on new tasks. Hope all is well bud👍
Enjoyed this one mate 👍🏻 just home from a day’s plumbing there then sat down to this while having my tea ideal! Haha thermal imaging camera is the business!! 👌🏻
Thanks Duncan, glad you liked it mate..👍🏼👍🏼
Yer the camera is a cracking bit of kit
Strange one on that blending valve lad 🤔 can you see the pipework with camera on the ceiling below?
@@duncancox4905 no mate, nowt…… strange one
Take the tabs off on the bath and run Draper Wi-Fi Endoscope Inspection Camera
You'll be able to follow it back and probably see they've joined it to the cold water feed some where
I wish it was that easy mate….🙈🙈
If the joist run from the front of the bathroom to the back you may be able to lift the floor boards in the hallway to get a view of what's going on. (Granted that is a lot of effort.)
Anyway another good vid!
Yep good idea…… 👍🏼
I’ve now quoted it with worse case scenario in mind
Maybe a long shot but they don;t drop from above in roof space maybe inside bedroom wall with blending valve above: ? worth a scramble about.
Had a scramble in the previous video… not there unfortunatly
I'm no plumber but we had a similar issue in our old place and the blending valve was at the top of the megaflow tank under the lid.
Wish it was that easy on this job🙈
Beeping is because airflow is reduced. Hose, filter or bag. A feature of m-class dust extractors to make you fix it!
I was gonna fix it……. Via the window!!!!
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👍👍👍 You'll find the TMV ✔️✔️✔️👀👀👀👀
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Brilliant video as always Mark
Thanks Jay 👍🏼👌🏼
I was looking forward to know where the blending valve is till the end. Too bad it never been found. Those beeping is definitely doing ppl headache 🤕. Great contents as always and looking forward for your Podcast video next time then. Sorry for watching your video late as my plumbing job get longer and longer hours these day.
It’s a pain that’s for sure
Top work mate , great videos . Very informative 👍👍
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Talons sales have just gone up need to ask them for commission haha 😄 good lil trick 👍
Hahahaa….. Watch this space😉
I'm sure you have asked but As it's a new build surely the owners were given a new home pack? We did and it has the wiring diagrams and everything in it about what the developers installed down to the model of sink basin shower ect. We're lucky we got a cheapo mixer tap for the bath and showers lol whats the saying no expense spent lol
Nope…. The builders of these houses have nothing and are not very helpful
Boo hiss, Dont suppose any of the neighbours had a similar problem and if they got it sorted? I love to hate new builds great way to get on property ladder for us part rent part buy. However the houses are thrown up and made to look all nice God help anyone who tries to sort out our cistern for example beind a tiled wall with the only access through the push Button grrrrr
@@robertlampard-jones2367 yep the neighbours all suffer the same, one had the floors up and found the valve, one the valve was in the cupboard…… just a joke. But someone has to foot the bill somewhere…
Ours we had no end of snags 😒 we even asked the developers so how big were the stables on the development for all the cowboys they had lol funnily enough I didn't get a reply 🤣
Great video mate .... I doubted you would pick up the pipes behind the tiles but it was worth a try .... I think next step has to be get the bath out and hope they've left some sort off access to the pipework below even if it's too uplift an unseen tile under the bath , it's going to be a pain , but it will make a great video ..... good luck though 👍
Quote gone in, and it’s a huge one as I can’t prove what I can’t see, and I’m not spending time looking/removing stuff etc.
I’ve also added its would be better to get the original builders back to do it… they need ti do the right thing to be honest
I’m presuming there will be unvented cylinder, why with large baths aren’t you running 22mm pipe?
Yep pressurised HWS, it 22mm coming into the bathrooms then stepped down, won’t be an issue 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing thanks for the reply, wouldn’t it have been better to take 22mm directly to the 3/4 bath taps?
Love your channel 🤩
@@pauladventure in an ideal world yes, but the steel beams stopped us getting them that far…. Bloody barns
All coming along nicely 👍, also might add looking a bit trim!!!
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great vid as always. That bathroom valve is turning into a nightmare!
Thanks mate….
Yep, it’s gonna be a complete pain I think
@@MJTiffPlumbing Are they prepared to have the tiles up or access cut from underneath?
Loft? Circuitous pipe routing. Might run up and then back down inside stud partition. Who would put a blending valve in an inaccessible location in the first place?
I've found all sorts of stuff in lofts.
Been up in the loft and it’s not there…. Honestly like a needle in a haystack.
Did you check the attic space above the bathroom for the blending valve. Also maybe there is a kink in the pipe or blockage.
Yep check up there an nothing
Hi Mark
It may be a long shot but I'd try lifting the bath a wee bit to see if the blending valve is under it or is the base of the bath sitting on the floor in which case it won't be there
Thanks mate, not investing any more time into it mate, all they wanted was a quote to sort the bath water temp out and it’s gone to trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Quote has gone in now….. to cover all avenues😉
Loving the videos. Keep up the great work
Thanks mate 👍🏼👍🏼🙌🏼
I’d still want to put a camera in the ceiling myself
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It's a real bummer this bathroom blender carry on mark, to find out if there is a blender or not I would switch the water off, open some down stairs taps to take the pressure off then shut them, go to the bath and have A look in the hose on that fancy bath shower and make sure there isn't a check valve in it and if there is remove it then open the basin hot then open the bath hot and blow down the hose at the bath and see if you get any air at the basin or do it the other way round or even use compressed air. This may tell you if there is a blender in the circuit somewhere
Sounds harder work than ripping the bathroom apart 🤣🤣🤣
2 things in that bathroom.how are you accessing the ballofix valve behind the bulkhead and would it not have been better to use a branch instead of a strap on for the basin.
Access as said behind the toilet pan👍🏼
And the strap is doing exactly the same thing…👍🏼
Thanks for watching
Maybe whip bath out and cut a hatch under bath. Somewhere that the damage won't be seen. It has to be close by in that bathroom.. but to be honest as you know it could be anywhere! Great video
Yep thats an idea but to be honest I only got asked to quote to find it… but you can’t find something that don’t want to be found 🤣🤣🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
@@MJTiffPlumbing true! Anyone with half a brain would put it somewhere that is accessible...
@@brendanfisher2528 exactly….🙌🏼🙌🏼
Did you lift the bath up and gets torch under it. The thermal image wasn't able to pick the waste pipe up..makes me still think it's under the bath. They usually are not fixed down are they as they're free standing it's likely moveable no? Lift a corner and get a your head on the floor with a torch. I would be surprised if it's not under there now. Good luck bud
Some good tips again Mark from the barn its a headache trying to find the blending valve cant make out why it has not been fitted somewhere accessible
Nor can I…… so badly built it’s unreal
Could valve be under the bath? Could be enough space under freestanding bath
Let’s hope so??…. Will be back on this job soon
Fingers crossed would be good to see it solved
Time to rip some ceiling down mate. Unless it’s been hidden remotely in a cupboard or something like that.
The quote has gone in to find it…… and I hope I don’t get the job to be honest 🤣🙈🙈
Behind plaster board behind basin drawers.
Nope
Barns coming along nicely 👍👍👍
The blending valve is a totally different matter .
I know you said someone looked from underneath.
But is there any down lights you could remove and get a camera up there. Just a thought 🤔🤔
I’ve now put a quote in to try and cover all situations…… should be interesting if I get it🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing well if you get the job and find the valve .see if you can move it or take detailed information or photos for the next time you 🤣🤣
@@johnwaby4321 oh I will move it alright……. 🤣🤣🤣
Great content as usual mate👍🏻 The hunt for the elusive blending valve seems to be going well!!! What a ball ache mate, how the hell do you price that, you could be there for days! I own the Dewalt cordless m class dust extractor and it beeps when the battery is low and when suction is lost it’s a pita and all the other trades love it😂
I’ve quoted to sort it and covered my arse by quoting to basically remove and refit the bathroom as we have zero idea where it is
Did you try the heat gun from underneath
See if it shows through the plasterboard.
No doubt you did
Because your man 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Yep, tried everywhere……… loft, floors, walls,cupboards etc etc……
@@MJTiffPlumbing next step given them a number of another plumber 😂😂😂😂
That barn conversion is going to be unreal when it’s done 👌🏼
What about checking with the thermal imaging camera through the ceiling below the bathroom bud?
Yep done that mate, checked everywhere……
I’ve just sent a quote over to the guy as that’s the whole purpose for trying to find it… however how do you price for something you can’t find…. Let’s just say the quote isn’t cheap as for all I know the whole floor has got to come up… and it could still be hidden 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
And yer, the barn is gonna be amazing😉👌🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Ah mate!! Sounds like a nightmare!! Hope you manage to sort it! And I hope he’s got deep pockets 😊🤑
What about if the blending valve is in void behind the bath !!
You could as others have said before isolate the cold to the tap & if the tap stops working, you know the blending valve has shut down due to no cold water passing through it! At least you thrn know there is one!!!
If it doesn't shut down then the tap could have a casting issue with the tap passing cold into the hot supply !
Is the cold actually balanced from the unvented cylinder or direct off the street to it!
If its not off the balanced connection to the cylinder thrn too much cold could be passing into the tap , having said that then the basin would be the same!!
Maybe The connection to the tap under the floor if it's on fkexys could be twisted restricting the hot to the tap!!!
Is there any access to the crawl space behind the bath at all could be lurking in there !!!
I must admit I love jobs like that as I like to find out & get it working !!
One last thought have the neighbours got similar issues as in temp probs or maybe unaware & just have a 38° tepid bath !!
Someone must know the plumbers who did the install as opposed to the builders who don't give a toss!!
I enjoyed watching your video. Regarding the customer's issue, If I'm not mistaken, it is an offence to conceal a serviceable fitting or make it inaccessible on the water supply. The water supply regulations 1999 state:
- "No fitting which is designed to be operated or maintained, whether manually or electronically, or which consists of a joint, shall be a concealed water fitting."
I really would think this should be sorted by the builders as it sounds like an illegal installation. By hiding the blending valve, which is a manually adjustable part, they have failed to comply with the regulations (and common sense to be honest). Minimum the builder should be covering the owner's costs. Assuming it is not the tap that is at fault.
The builders have just not helped at all… zero interest.
Can you not try using the thermal
Imagining camera on the ceiling in the room below the bathroom, will be easier to pick up threw plasterboard than tiles, might be worth a quick glance before the removal of the suite. Jordan
Tried it and nothing…. It’s a pain
11k subscribers now, the push for 10k seems like it was just yesterday :D
Do the customers know theres 11k people invested in finding the blending valve now? 😂
Hahahaa indeed there is🤣🤣👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Another grate video Mark. On the barn did you put the flush plate on the concealed toilet. You don't want a repeat of the last 1. Ahahaha👍👍👍👍
Hahahaa indeed I did🤣😉😉
You will Have to turn the radiant floor heating off to find it.
It wasn’t on in the bathroom😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing TURN IT OFF THE COLDER THE HOUSE IS
THE BETTER IT WORKS
im afraid its going to be old school tiles up mate, pain in the asss though , by the way great job in the barn mate.
Yep, that’s what the quote has been done on🙈🙈
hi Mark showing my ignorance hear but whats is a blending valve ? all the best mate Kev LOVE THE VIDS been with you from the start
It’s a valve that has hot and cold feeds into it, then a “blended” pipe coming out with a regulated temperature… often used on nursing homes etc to stop scolding. They have now started to fit them in baths in new builds…
That bath tap is a mystery Mark, what’s the plan now ? It’s a real head scratcher, doesn’t anyone no who the original plumber was ? Just a thought, hope you get it sorted, the barn jobs looking well, and I’m enjoying watching the progress. 👍
Quoted to basically remove and refit the floor of the bathroom…..
Great post Mark, I'm thinking of buying the thermal camera, would you recommend?
Hey Matthew….
Yes this is a great camera mate, make sure you use the code in the discription for 15% off 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing cheers Mark, keep posting buddy👍
nice vid m8 ,dont stress over a shi**y tap the barn will look stunning
Thanks Mick…. It’s coming together now
Have you looked behind toilet for blending valve?
Nope…. Could be anywhere🤷🏼♂️
Fortunately I think my quote to find and rectify was to high as haven’t heard back to find it
Hi mark great video as usual, did you try turning off the cold water to the bathroom and just leave w hot on and see if you can get up to 60 c , the cold maybe passing in the cartridge happened to me before 😁
Is there definitely a blending valve installed somewhere ? Any way of getting contact with original plumber ? Could save you a c**t of a job 😀
As said before, the building company have zero interesting in helping or trying to help
I see thanks Mark
@@keithryan6428 thanks mate
I never fit baths with taps there, I just refuse.
The suspense is killing us mate it’s like who shot JR all over again😂😂got to be under that flippin bath Do a live video when lift it out
Hahahahaa……. It’s killing me aswell🤣
Work at your mates house is coming on good,have you looked in void/boxing under window sill,for that t.m.v.? Whoever fitted it should of told customer where it is,if it's a newish house customer may have handover doc's showing where all services are.
Zero documents etc etc, builder are a joke
Hello Mark, love your videos mate👍, what is that Brand plastic push-fit pipe you been used on this job? Thank you 🤝👍
Thanks mate
It’s Polypipe Pipework mate
Do you think the Plumber installed the blending valve at the bottom of the basin cupboard or in the floor?
I think it’s in the floor……
@@MJTiffPlumbing I hope you get the job and return to the property.
Sounds obvious but did you turn up the hot water temp on the boiler before using the camera.
Thinking out loud here. Feel free to tell me I'm talking rot as I'm only a trainee 😊 but Ive got a job coming up to replace a bar shower that only gets lukewarm. Customer has to turn the basin tap on to get it to go hot. I'm thinking in their case it's a pressure imbalance between hot and cold. I know you checked the cartridge at the start, maybe the hot flow is blocked somehow. Wondering if there even is a tmv there.
Dunno 😏 like I say just thinking out loud.
Barn is coming on a storm now 👍💪🙌
Also 11.1k congrats 😁
It’s a pressurised hot water system coming out at 60degrees…… all is spot on there👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark why not take a hot feed from the basin tap and blank off the other Hot under the bath not telling you your job wrong one nice chrome pipe behind?
Great idea in principle but as everything is hidden you would still have to start breaking up walls/floors etc….. this isn’t an easy fix unfortunatly
@@MJTiffPlumbing I know why not run
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Not sure if it will be of any help but... The Water Regs normally insist on TMVs being no more than 2m away from the tap max for legionella. I know in a bathroom that size 2m could be anywhere but still, that is presuming the installers even cared anyway. The only other thing, is the tap itself actually any type of blending valve like you find on a bar shower? Again I would think this unlikely but I have never not been surprised by some of the odd design decisions that manufacturers are making these days.
Keep going though, not enough plumbers are showing the real world pain in the a*** that this job can be!
Thanks mate, yep I’m showing the highs and bloody lows of the trade….. Real World Plumbing.
Mate could it be a thermostatic tap? Have seen a floorstanding one somewhere, cant remember if it was a single lever tho.....Think it was a Grohe.
Could be…. Let’s hope so🤞🏼🤞🏼
Great vid ,can you not just fit a new tap to that problem bathroom that has the blending valve accessable on the tap ?
And what about the blending valve that is feeding it….. won’t solve the issue
how long did it take for the HW to reach the bath when u turned it on? if it was only a couple of seconds the TMV has to be between the basin and bath
Yep, it’s between the 2 points mate👍🏼
Did you try the camera from below? Might have more chance with just plaster board??? HTH
Yep, tried below, on the side, up above, round the bends….. everywhere….. nothing
Just wondering did u check from the ceilings below the bathroom with camera to see if you could locate run of pipework ?
Hey Simon, as said in the video, someone’s all ready looked in the ceilings to no avail
@@MJTiffPlumbing I heard that but thought it may have been a fibre optic camera not a thermal … 👍🏻
Why is there such problems on a new house? It looks really nice on the surface but I wouldn't be happy if I bought a new build with problems. Surely the builders would know where the blending valve etc is.
As said in the previous videos and the links in this video, the houses are less than 2 years old and they have horrific issues, builders have washed there hands with it hence me working on about 4 of these builds over the last year, from replacing shower screens and cubicles to trying to find blending valves that don’t want to be found
Mark. What is a blend valve?
I think it is a valve which takes both HOT and COLD feeds - and then gives a mixed output at some pre-set temperature (often used in sheltered housing etc so vulnerable folks cannot easily scold themselves in baths or showers as the max temp is "capped").
I know them as "theremostatic mixing valve" but I think they are basically the same thing.
And please feel free to delete my comment if i am wrong!
Mark. Does the customer not know who did the original install.
Just a thought
Yes, all explained in the previous video on this…… take a look buddy.
ruclips.net/video/3dux9pNCNDM/видео.html
Talon do link spacers ? Or are the Talon clips more supportive ?
They are just easier linking clips together to be honest….
Is it just a cheap bath tap causing the issue? Can you isolate the cold to it?
No, it’s a blending valve fitted somewhere….🙈
@@MJTiffPlumbing Think if that's the case I would rip ceiling down below and sort it out. Good luck with it!
The mixing valve isn't under the bath is it ? Sounds daft but you never know
It could be….. but it’s like chasing something you just can’t see. I’m hoping it’s under there
Boiler struggling to cope with flow rate of bath as it's more than the basin
It’s a pressurised hot water system, nothing to do with the boiler 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing oh yes I remember from the other week. Maybe the bath tap just let's cold through at the same time as when the hot is on??
Fancy designs of the bathroom makes it look good , but when it comes to maintenance, it’s no use at all, bad access to anything and very costly to fix anything , I prefer everything boxed in , instead buried underneath it. That’s where tiler’s rip you off . 😳😂😂😂 my advice stick with some of old fashioned designs , box the pipe work in , always!
I blame Instagram and Pinterest 🤣
Oh dear the thermal cameras haven't improved that much🤣🤣
DHC
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do you prefer poly plumb to jg mate
I use PolyPipe, stocked on the shelf at my local plumbase so it’s easier.
Also find it’s the easiest to work with as it’s very flexible
Like me pal easy to work with as I'm flexible 😁😂
Unless it’s a dick head comment 🤣🤣🤣 made me lol that
Great vid mate as always 👍
🤣🤣😉😉 thanks mate
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Evening buddy
@@MJTiffPlumbing Evening Sir 🤘😎🤘
Can’t see how any plumber could put a blending valve in a tiled floor 🤷♂️
From looks of pipe work in 1st video Could try cutting a valve onto the balanced cold supply in cylinder cupboard so can isolate the cold supply to the tap or blending valve but keep only the hot live and try running the bath tap if it’s hotter there’s definitely a blending valve somewhere if not it’s a issue with tap maybe?
My guess it will be under the tap absolutely useless
customer should get builder back can’t sign a new build property off without setting the blending valve correctly
A house over the road had this issue and the valve was under the floor…… complete joke builders
plumbing in Canada is way easier than this
I’m moving to Canada then 🤣
Mate that problem with tge blending valve is an absolute disgrace,surely anyone with half a brain would have put the valve in a cupboard or wardrobe where it would have been easily accessed.i bet the people are in bits
Exactly mate…. Shocking isn’t it
disgusting gruise water sewer seat on toilet 16 high all connected fixture all that clean water
Again???????