PLUMBING FAIL…. Is this the worst plumbing I’ve ever seen??
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2023
- Plumbing fail......... Some people genuinely don't take pride in the work that they produce, and this video shows exactly that.
Also i touch on why for the last week or so i haven't filmed any content, sometimes you just need a little break.
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I was genuinely shocked when i opened the cupboard and saw what had been "Installed"......... at what point does that person think that looks ok!!!!
Wow, that pipework no pride and it's something you'd expect from a diy'er not someone qualified/experienced with renewables. Which begs the question, are they even MCS accredited in the first place. Due to the low flow temps being in plastic isn't an issue for heat pumps but it still doesn't sit well with me.
Its them guys who keep us in business .. every cloud !!!
Do you recommend the slim super foil on UFH when you cannot put the standard 100mm in due to restrictions in depth.. have you used it? Thanks and keep going ..
@@wittywoo9559 get them out of the loop, mcs is now a closed loop right? so if you ...........retrain you must go work for idiot companies. that have been rippig the gov off with impunity? lets not talk about escrows.
This is a joke
Glad to see you realise stress and something had to give. I appreciate your vids . Being a professional in a different trade gets my back up when I come across sloppiness
Thanks mate
Appreciate the video as usual Mark. I must say I’m looking forward to the continuation of the bathroom video 😮.
I know it has caused you stress but know that I certainly educates us diyers , how to overcome problems, planning etc.
plenty of channels show ideal world but as we all know, we don’t live in one!
So thanks again for the real world plumbing mate and hope you get a chance to de stress👍
Thanks buddy…. Appreciate that mate….👍🏼👍🏼
good to see you mate. watch out for stress levels building up. will watch this right through later. have a great weekend.
Thanks buddy….. yep a week away is going to help a lot
@@MJTiffPlumbing I did the same last month. Did me the world of good. All the best.
That is shocking mate, inside that cupboard.
Out of sight out of mind.😢
I am getting near the end of my working life mate(67) and what I have noticed.
The quality of work as deteriorated big time and no pride in their work.
All they want to do is start at 9/10 and be away by 2.😮
This is why I love your channel mate.
A person who cares about their work and the customer and does a proper days work.👍
Thanks mate… glad you like my content buddy.
Yep, your right, people just don’t care sometimes… such a shame
Class video as always mark 👌 that pipework is absolutely shocking. Some “plumbers” are just all about the money and take no pride in their work.
Unfortunately you are right mate…..
Can't have made any profit after buying the plumbing merchant's entire stock of JG gear 😅
This level of profit above quality attitude is widespread on sites nowadays. The problem is, to my mind an increasingly out of touch attitude amongst management. I was on a big job which had about twelve chippies (my trade) when I joined and there were two of us who had "old school" attitude to taking pride in our work. The management were forever huffing and puffing about how long we took, but they also kept assigning one or both of us to jobs snagging work that had been rushed by so-called "shit hot workers". Some of this stuff was abysmal. But they never stopped trying to Chivvy us along despite the fact that as the job wound down and the chippy contingent were gradually shrunk, we were the last two to go. But they never let go of the notion that we could somehow work faster and still deliver the same quality. And these managers were grown men in their 40s/50s.
Thank you for taking the time and spending the money to make this video. I’ve been on the fence on if I should invest in a press gun. I think I’ll stick with solder for now. Great channel, I get so many tips from you!
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
As always Mark great content........that pipework is shocking I only use copper and very very rarely use plastic .....I'd bet that pipework will bite someone on the arse .....they need to put that shambles right .....I also get stressed out with other trades that mess everything up for us ....we have some trades I wouldn't pay in washers but the fact is they cant get any decent tradespeople....so we end up with the dregs .....dont worry about putting loads of videos out pal it's always good content pal 👍
Thankyou buddy…… I know what you mean
Hi Mark, a great film there, that mess of plastic I agree is absolutely horrendous, that job could look beautiful done properly in copper.
I hope you are not too stressed over that ongoing bathroom job, I look forward to the next episode. Take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Thanks Chris…. Yer the bathroom is certainly testing me🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Keep at it Mark, if I lived closer I would give you a couple of days to help you out. Just work through it and you will get there. Take care 👍👍👍
I was taught to plumb in coper and iron, everything vertical or horizontal, everything with proper support and all of it laid out neatly. I can't believe some of the spaghetti I find in plastic installations. No set out, no proper supports and no pride in their work what so ever. Nice to see a proper tradesman in operation.
Thanks buddy👍🏼
Bullshit you can't even spell copper let alone install it😂😂
It's ok people saying that you get what you pay for..that's rubbish, even 'cowboys' are charging top money. I did all the checks when getting a bathroom fitter, recommendations off other people etc, even went to a shop and eventually used 'their guy' who does all their customers' work. What a let-down that was, 2 years later and I'm still having to get other people in to fix what he did wrong. Currently my wallpaper is down in my hallway because of his 'siliconing skills'. I've yet to meet a contractor that actually takes pride in his work. Ok, you might think that's a generalisation but that's my experience. Most of them pick and choose the job, any slight hassle and they don't want to know.
Again another example of how your ethos shines through. Doing the job right, first time. I know we can all make mistakes but that's appalling.
Because you care that's when the stress levels rise.
Good to see you identify when you're stressing and doing something about it.
Unfortunately I speak from experience with stress levels running amok. Having suffered with PTSD its important to realise when things start to build up. Then destressing.
I love the warts and all videos but not at the cost of your health. Physical or mental. Keep smiling Mark😊
Thanks buddy 🙌🏼🙏🏼
Oh I feel sorry for the owner of that plastic pipework. Thanks for showing us.
So bad isn’t it
Great episode, what thermal camera is that?
HikMircro mate….. details in the description 👍🏼
They should be made to come back and do it the proper way. Or should be named and shamed. That’s why those types of guys give us decent plumbers a bad name.
Completely agree mate……
If that as good as they did 1st time around they certainly ain't going to do better 2nd time if you got them back which you ain't
They have a bad name only.
Poor work by one means more work for someone else. Kerching.
That's how I see it.😊
That unvented in plastic is a total mess. I think exactly as you do, if it’s visible it needs to be in copper. I’ve used miles of plastic in my time and it’s impossible to create a neat job purely down to the bulk of the fittings. The person who did this really has no pride in their work. Keep up the good work Mark and stay safe and healthy.
Thanks buddy 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great video,as always, the property with the manifold the upstairs should have been on a separate manifold, just doing the rads,and underfloor heating on a separate manifold , keep up the good work 👍🏽
Just the manifold for downstairs and the rads upstairs are off a normal flow and return loop…..
@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah that makes more sense,I'm surprised the heatmiser stats playing up,I generally use heatmiser never had a problem with them
My mate when I was an apprentice, always used to say ,if it's not right it's wrong, and that pipe work even as a sparks is definitely WRONG.
Obviously no pride in his workmanship.
Keep up the good work Mark.
Horrific ain’t it Phil…… some people just do not care!!!!….
I even wanted to take it out and redo it properly🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing I've seen the same sort of thing sparking,some folks just don't have any pride in what they do.
Hi Mark. Sorry your having some problems mate. It happens to everyone at some point. Don’t have to apologise for not filming. We appreciate what you do film and share. Hope it all get sort out and you can get back to your normal self. 👍
Thankyou buddy, appreciate that👌🏼👍🏼
Shocking Mark but i have seen this in our area where systems have been fitted poorly then customers complain that things are not working properly and cannot get the firm back to fix it slap it in and run away
So bad isn’t it mate…. I was genuinely shocked when I open that cupboard
That is f**king ridiculous, all that lovely 22mm copper you ran through the loft, where it won’t be seen and the renewable’s apprentice pipes up like that?? Where is the lagging? 1m at least from the cylinder 😮😮😮 it might have even improved it 🤣🤣🤣🤣well done for not losing the plot with that! Good luck!
Worst thing is mate I don’t think it was the apprentice 😮😮😮🫣🫣
Yep, ruined a lovely job
@@MJTiffPlumbing heinous! Should be sacked!
Oh that poor Ecodan OMG that is pathetic,its actually embarrassing the plastic pipework on that i have no words ..I fitted about 20 of those ecodan thermal stores on a site all done in copper i even went to the mitsu factory in Livingston to see how it was done.. I think they deserve to see this mate .
Shocking isn’t it mate…… properly shocking
This is so crazy that hot water tanks are in an attic in the UK haha. This would never fly where I am located, but it's still otherwise cool to see plumbing from around the world.
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
It was to gain some pressure via gravity back in the days before the systems had pumps.
Johnny "plumtastic" strikes again! And he got on his horse and rode off into the sunset!
No way dose anyone use speedfit or the like on any thermal store or unvented cylinder.
Fantastic video as usual.
Thanks buddy….. yep not great at all is it
The question is does it work? If so its right. I'm a plumber who fits bathrooms now and make so many shortcuts like fixing the pipes, I just use a spot of foam to the floor or wall. No drilling, no mess.
Always a way to get over a problem
That’s a I’m in a big hurry to get to the next job, and don’t care about the next plumber coming in the to any thing in the future,
I wouldn’t let them lads anywhere near a doll’s house,
Some companies just don’t have any pride in the work,
That would be a lovely finish in copper
The Bathroom looks well Mark,
The thermal imaging cameras are brilliant,
I you mine all the time on heating system repairs and power flushing it’s a must have tool in my view
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I even said to the builder today that I want to rip it out and repipe it… then when the guy comes back he would know it was utter rubbish
Hello Mark.
Yes that pipework is really poor and definitely breaks more than a few rules. What a lot of people do not realise when they get these systems fitted is a lot of the time they are not tradesmen and have only had a short installation course. So they can do the grant work. Also a lot of them are on very tight installation times. None of these are excuses!!
One other thing that shocked me was I worked as a teacher in a Tech College for a few years and realised that some of the students had never used copper. They spent their whole apprenticeship fitting plastic pipes. For example only using Copper when it popped through the floor to connect a rad. Then only so the carpet fitter never slashed it 😂
Maybe in the future there will be better control of Plumber registration etc so that the general public can check a Plumber's credentials.
There are probably several influencing factors here. Not just cowboy work.
I think the main issue is that these people when they have finished all the grant work will be unleashed on the main population in new overalls purporting to be Plumber's.
That is unbelievable. They will have charged a fortune for that, and when there is a problem, the customer is going to phone you to sort it and if you don't come or fix it then you are the terrible plumber and get bad name. Great video, mate. P.s. The 1st cylinder is not the best piped either, but at least the D2 is 300mm then it's perfect 😂😂
Unreal isn’t it mate
How did you figure out which actuator worked which room.
Turn one room on ar a time and feal for hest ?
Or get someone to turn on and off that room amd listen for something ?
Just curious.
Greet vid yet again.
All the best.
Very long process of using the thermal imaging and opening valves….. sometimes things like this take ages
@@MJTiffPlumbing can't thankyou enough for these uploads.
They do help & are entertainment.
All the very best to you.
Great video has allways mate
Thankyou mate
@@MJTiffPlumbing you been mad busy pall hope it chills out soon for you mate
Mate, the stress and pressure gets to all us big time RUclipsrs 😉😉
Take a breath and relax. We will still be here when you do your next video mate so have a little break to rejuvenate 😁
That pipe work btw!!! My dead nan would of done a nicer job 😂
Cheers fella…. Appreciate that……👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
Hey, what was the black thing on the pipework in the cellar that showed the water flow? Around 7:26?
Tundish.
@@daz3745 thank you!
mate you should the mess the guy installed for my dads pressurised cylinder, speed fit too. Gives me a headache every time I look at it.
Big companies absolutely ripping people off and getting away with it as usual with that lovely install. That’s y I always recommend small trades people to customers u get the same person back over and over again.
Couldn't agree more
Do you do gas as well Mark or just water?
No don’t do gas, I used to but not anymore….
I once had a plumber in to fit a new expansion vessel in my council owned property and he used a 22mm flexi hose to screw it to the wall. I was working abroad at the time but when my wife sent me pics, I went straight on the phone to complain about it. Some say why bother as its not your property, but it doesn't matter, when a job gets done it needing doing properly. Some tradespeople that I've come across seem to think that because your in a council property then you don't know any better. It doesn't take me long to let them know that I'm no fool
I agree if u can see make it shine (copper)
100% mate
Ffs Mark that is well ruff can they get them back to sort it out flipping dangerous 😳
So bad isn’t it……
Wow, what a mess! Like to know how much they charged for that
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I've seen worse than that, old builds bodge on bodge on bodge, new builds plumbing done by British Gas apprentices, installations so dangerous I wouldn't even go near the job, reportable, & GAS as well. Someone trying to cut thru a gas pipe with a LIVE ring mains wire cable tied to it, using an angle grinder.... Frightened the life out of me, all I wanted was to get home alive!
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SHOCKER...but see that kinda stuff every week. Really annoys me that the client doesn't realise how wrong that is and pays probably more to those firms than the rest of us that do it right would charge for a decent job.
Yep I know exactly what you mean
This will be one of them where the customer isn’t happy with the heat pump and wants it taken out, leaving another customer with a bad experience and blaming the heat pump 😩 they need to be getting them back asap to sort their mess out
Completely agree mate
The sad truth is even those who advertise themselves as experienced plumbers do gobshite like this.
As a customer and not a plumber people like this are everywhere and it’s not about going to the cheapest anymore.
I live near Cannock and after going through 3-4 plumbers for my house build I’ve just realised not every area has a good plumber. I don’t mind paying top dollar, I just want work done to a good and neat and clean standard, can’t even get that!
Unfortunately your right mate, some cowboys out there but also there is some very good tradespeople doing great work….
Wow.
Poor customer had no idea how bad a job that was....... until they watch your video 😂
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Do you not Do boiler installs/gas work?
No buddy…..
Wow - - is this not just the 1st fix / testing out the system before they final re-fit with copper? - surely?
You would hope so wouldn’t you 😮😮
Surely that would've been cheaper to do in copper? And/or press fit
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Probably would be be honest
Regarding the underfloor heating job-I wouldn't call that an old system-It's shocking to me that a system of that age is having to be upgraded.
Did you see the state of it??
@@MJTiffPlumbing Any idea on it's age?
Rip it out and you have a lifetime supply of JG fittings 😂
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SPEED FIT..... John Wayne 🤠 had to be at a rodeo 🐎in the afternoon on the day he fitted that system in, so needed to be in and out quickly. 😱 💩
Shocking isn’t it
Good camera that ;)
Hahahahaaha🤣😉😉
Low temp welding roofs to seal over holes in a tank
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Some people don't have a conscience that plastic pipework is awful,I have to rectify a lot of work in pubs after the refurbers have been in,they are usually just builders thinking they know what they are doing 🤔
I said to the builder today I want to rip it out and redo it properly
stirling board? lower temps they are prolly allowed to do it, its plastic. lets ask if kingfisher group will be allowed to sell heatpumps in the future. backhander somewhere. of course they will. :)
🤷🏼♂️…. Lost me buddy???
We are always going to find work of a lower standard than ours, it is my policy to request an email from the customer accepting that any existing work is not our responsibility unless rectified. They always agree to this. Your insurance is not just for the day you are working it can be claimed against years beyond that.
Yep I only cover work I have done….. 👍🏼
what a mess of that unvented in roofspace
It’s in the utility cupboard🫣
You've just got to compare that cylinder install with the one you did the other week. It's obvious that you care, too much sometimes, and you take pride in the job, be it large or small, even if it'turns into a complete ballache, because it's your name on the van and you care about your customers, whereas there you've got some supposed "specialist" being paid big money to do a full install in a nice fresh site, and they've just thrown some salaried bod at it for a few hours and then climbed onto their horse and ridden off into the sunset.
Yep completely agree mate… thankyou
Hey! I was well proud of my work in that cupboard, look at the positives.. don't need to paint the pipes white... 😂😂😂
Hahahaha…. How bad is that Luke!!!!!… unreal isn’t it mate
@@MJTiffPlumbing seen some like this, was doing 8 dormer bungalows in a new build site a couple years ago, it was literally all just chucked in, was 28mm off the unit for around 500mm then shit loads of tee's reducing down to 10mm plastic for both heating & h&c absolutely mind boggling 😂
Thought it was a pub to begin with😂
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I’ll be honest the whole renewables system is over my head… I basically fit kitchens and bathrooms… and do up houses. Anything boiler related I hand to my gas man. Not worth breaking laws and risking safety BUT… all the speed fit is making my eyes bleed and I’m sure if your like me your pipe OCD is going mental looking at it lol! Take care buddy! Marc
It’s going off the scale mate…. So so bad
That cupboard looks horrific, if you can look past it all being in plastic (plastic has its place) its not even a tidy install
That’s the whole point mate, it looks horrific!!!!
Haha class there mark are these the same guys that dont cut a flue to length and leave foam instead of bricks 🤣🤣🤣
They walk amongst us mate
Mate you are clearly struggling
Sending good vibes
Thankyou buddy
More good vibes here pal. Message me if you ever need to chat, your videos have helped me a lot it's the least I can do in return 👍
What’s up with the tiling? The lines on the floor don’t line up with the walls 😅
Dunno….. I’m the plumber 🤷🏼♂️
At least they cleaned the old 15mm copper before throwing the speedy onto it.
🤣🤣…… every cloud eh
@@MJTiffPlumbing exactly bud
Nice content bud👍🏻 what a shower of s***! The guy who installed that should be easy to spot he’ll be the one with spurs on his work boots!
🤣🤣….. yep 🤣
Name and shame them cowboys, absolutely shocking
Given that you're the last plumber on site, how do you make sure that your name & reputation don't get linked to that complete dog's dinner by anyone following you?
I’ve made it very clear to the homeowner it’s nothing to do with me…… 👍🏼
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Yep exactly
That’s bloody shocking. Typical “can’t see it from my house” attitude. 😢
No doubt the customer payed good money for that too!!!
I think they did sadly
Worst thing with that install is that the taxpayer has subsided the sub standard work.
Indeed
Second time seeing this after Instagram totally shocked. Take your time Mark those that follow you will understand. Find time to get the tent out
The tent will be coming out soon, needs an “airing”😉
That install is not compliant at all. Pointless listing all the faults 😂😂 be here all day 😂😂
Yep….. it’s so bad and to be honest sad that people are doing work like this
How on earth did they get paid, and if so, shame on the main contractor'. why would anybody think that's an acceptable standard of work.
So bad isn’t it
It's very clear that some people just don't care and are only interested in being paid!
Exactly mate
Looks like that heating system has been fitted by an electrician. All of the shops that we done refits on looked like the plumbers used a bow and arrow to fit the pipe work, much like certain electrician's do when they work above a shop ceiling. Yeehaa the spurs are out
That’s awful 😢, proper d.I.y job. Is up there with the worst I’d say . People get away with it it’s mental
well done to the person that put a piece of cardboard over that door too many joiners just lean doors anywhere
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Well you can't really call it plumbing. Stupid question though if you write a spec to try to avoid that kind of result, how do you avoid getting blacklisted as a punter?
It sure to be honest
Wow, what an absolute mess.
Yep…. Unreal isn’t it
@M J Tiff Plumbing i know you said it in the video, and yh, any good heating engineer would definitely use copper on show, that looked like some amateurs done it..on the plus it won't take long to rip it all out
That's horrific
Yep
Unfortunately this is the way it’s heading with renewable installs and grants involved, get it in as cheap as possible for maximum profit 🤔 glad you flagged it up mate on your platform.
So it seems buddy….. people just have no pride
I work in social housing and this is very true. Where there is government funding there is normally tight deadlines to meet to get that funding spent. Large scale projects over hundreds of properties, no quality control, lots of sub-contracting, clash it in and onto the next one. Low and behold when there's problems in the future, these companies never seem to be about and we're left picking up the pieces. Whole thing stinks but happens time and time again.
Too many gun slingers out there bro
Yep
That Plumbing was put in by an Apprentice Electrician !
Hahahaa even they would do better
Thank you for putting the thermal image cam in the description. But you're ment to put an anti bacterial fluid into the system. Sorta like an inhibitor I guess. But inhibitor adiing into an unfloor will do fuck all.
Needs to be Biocide buddy…. Adey MC10+ is for UFH and can work along with inhibitor…👍🏼
That’s compliant, you guys just jealous 😂 someone done it within less than an hour , that’s top plumber
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I'm no plumber just DIY too a point of not touching gas or electric then calling the right people but that piping i could do a tidier job wtf is that all about, some people just have no attitude of walking away thinking they have done a good job, total cowboy id report the installer, no matter what trade you don't need people like that in any job
Not a chance they're coming back shocking man probably haven't even tested it aswell
Yep it’s not even been filled yet
That’s a shocking install! Some people don’t give a f*ck
Shame as all first fix in copper which is hidden then all plastic on show!
Yep shocking isn’t it……
Sometimes dont blame the younger plumbers but blame whoever invented speed fit shit.Poly pipe with inserts and compression fittings to be fair is great because poly piping is alot more flexible and if fitted properly will never leak. Its all about speed now isnt it .The old ways are tried and tested but pushfit I wouldnt use myself.OK I am an ancient man but ancient ways have yet to let me down.Long live blokes that do things the old way.
There is a time and a place I think…. But this certainly wasn’t one of them!!!
Hi Marky Mark could not have been a worse site I like you are old school and only use push fit when I want straight lengths under boards when there is no access. The Lone Ranger and Stevie wonder must have been involved . Probably on price work. I have seen better installs in 3rd world countries. Keep the Faith old chum. 👍🇬🇧 Paul (Paramount plumbing).
Quite an old video I know, but, maybe the customers wanted the pipes to be white and didn't want to paint them? 😂
Seriously though, that's terrible
Shocking isn’t it
Personally, I just hate push fit no matter where it's installed it's 💩
Looks like amateurs had connected all that up and It gives professionals like yourself a bad name and it's extremely frustrating as you have to put the mess right
Yep unfortunately it does
Unbelievable that even new build has everything on show in copper 🤦🏻 no pride at all if there throwing work like that in on show odds are it’s not been commissioned proper and will have nothing but problems with it 🤷🏻
So bad mate….. you can’t even get to the filter on the combi block
Disgusting that they would have charged top whack aswell, I wouldn’t be able sleep at night knowing another plumbers going back and will see that mess, hardest parts clipping it out then piping copper is a dream and more satisfying
Looks like it’s been thrown in
Yep horrid isn’t it
Tyson fury?
I’ve had that before😉
Hi mark it’s maybe time to think about employing a camera man?
Or even camera person
It's Push-Fit City.
It’s the capital of Pushfit city I think 🤣🤣
Wow. I bet that cost a fortune to install that plastic shit. If it was done neatly and correctly then you could say fair enough but that is shocking. Building control won't like that at all. Distance yourself as far away from that part of the job as much as you can mate 👍
Oh mate trust me…….. I’ve made it MASSIVELY clear that it has nothing to do with me at all